| Avidkeystamper United States. August 28 2009 14:13. Posts 8551 | Profile Blog # |
"He just said he didn't practice as much (as he should have) since it's Jaedong."
Who doesn't practice as much only because he's facing the best zerg? I mean seriously, that position is untenable. |
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 ghostWriter United States. August 28 2009 14:23. Posts 3302 | Profile Blog # |
| Well, I'm sure everyone was tired after proleague. They practiced for many hours and had to play games in 2 days in a row. I'm sure these guys were desperate for some rest, although Jaedong is like a machine when it comes to practice. But then again, he let calm beat him in msl so that he can have time to get ready to smash fantasy. |
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| TwoToneTerran United States. August 28 2009 15:11. Posts 7990 | Profile # |
Well that doesn't stop it from being dismissive of the threat that Jaedong is. If that's true, it'd also back the notion that he was arrogant in his PvT which led to his thrashing at the hands of Stork.
It seems that everytime Fantasy thinks he's got a sure win, he gets taken down. 0-2 lead against Jaedong in a finals? Blow it. Comeback against Stork in the finals? Get rolled over in the final match. Beat Jaedong in PL finals handily, so surely he won't be a threat in the upcoming Bo5? 3-1'd like a habit.
Fantasy's undoubtedly a monster, but the guy seems to have ego and choking problems when it comes to (most) important matches.
To be fair, though, Jaedong is also arrogant, but he is almost never dismissive of his opponent's skill, which is nice. Spartan training regiment, woo.Last edit: 2009-08-28 15:12:01 |
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| Geo.Rion Hungary. August 28 2009 16:30. Posts 5350 | Profile Blog # |
On August 28 2009 14:13 Avidkeystamper wrote:
"He just said he didn't practice as much (as he should have) since it's Jaedong."
Who doesn't practice as much only because he's facing the best zerg? I mean seriously, that position is untenable.
on top of that he already spoke about WCG semifinals as if it was he vs Jaedong. Like a noob PvTer like Stork wouldnt even count as an opponent |
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 Ver United States. August 28 2009 18:26. Posts 1881 | Profile # |
Fantasy arrogant? Dismissive? Maybe, but you can't tell it from his interviews. They are after all, just interviews.
iloveoov frequently got psychological advantages in important matches by making very arrogant and cocky interviews. Look at the recent proleague finals if you want evidence. And who is Fantasy's coach?
His losses in those series have nothing to do with whatever he says in the interview. He simply isn't a complete player. |
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| Nylan United States. August 28 2009 22:26. Posts 795 | Profile Blog # |
| You're all fumbling around in the dark. What you're assuming is an implication of arrogance can only be implied from certain phrasings when said in English. You can't imply word choice like that from a translation, much less know the tone. |
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| TwoToneTerran United States. August 29 2009 00:05. Posts 7990 | Profile # |
| Not 100%, but it is kind of a safe assumption. It's also backed up by every top player having a sort of ego. Fantasy just seems to imply his ego gets in the way of his common sense on preparation. |
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| Nylan United States. August 29 2009 00:09. Posts 795 | Profile Blog # |
| There is a difference between overconfidence and arrogance, primarily relating to boastfulness. One is a miscalculation, another is an attempt to look good. |
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| Geo.Rion Hungary. August 29 2009 00:40. Posts 5350 | Profile Blog # |
On August 29 2009 00:05 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Not 100%, but it is kind of a safe assumption. It's also backed up by every top player having a sort of ego. Fantasy just seems to imply his ego gets in the way of his common sense on preparation.
you seriously think Fanta did not take JD seriously? I guess he was overconfident and that you could see even in his play (the 4pool set for ex), but the "excuse" that he did not practice too much because he was able to defeat JD in the PL is just made up bullshit to maintain the imgage that he's actually better anyways (imo) Last edit: 2009-08-29 00:40:48 |
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| AzureEye United States. August 29 2009 00:40. Posts 1360 | Profile Blog # |
On August 28 2009 22:26 Nylan wrote:
You're all fumbling around in the dark. What you're assuming is an implication of arrogance can only be implied from certain phrasings when said in English. You can't imply word choice like that from a translation, much less know the tone.
No I'm not reading off of the translations. I'm looking directly at the source of interview written in Korean.
When asked about his loss verse Jaedong, Fantasy replies:
그래서 스타리그 4강을 많이 연습하지 않아서 진 것 같다
He directly states that he lost because he didn't practice a lot
There's not much room for error there.
An epic reply from random Korean netizen:
얜 이제동이 지보다 못하는데 방심해서 진줄안다. 넌 병구도 못넘어 색기야 !!!
Which translates to, "He thinks that Jaedong is worse than him so he thinks his loss is from underestimating him. You can't even beat Stork you son of a bitch!!!"Last edit: 2009-08-29 00:42:47 |
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| Nylan United States. August 29 2009 01:01. Posts 795 | Profile Blog # |
It is a past tense of "If I work hard enough, I can beat Jaedong". There is nothing wrong with that.
You seem to suggest that he should be of the opinion that no matter how hard he works, he should never believe he can beat Jaedong. That's just dumb. |
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| ghostWriter United States. August 29 2009 01:54. Posts 3302 | Profile Blog # |
Yeah, I went back and reread the original translation too. Not "fumbling around in the dark here."
But in any case, what does fantasy's supposed arrogance have to do with the power rank? He lost his games to stork and didn't get a chance to rematch Jaedong and maybe might be pushed down a rank or two for next month. That's the issue, not his tone or his intentions from an interview. |
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| TwoToneTerran United States. August 29 2009 02:46. Posts 7990 | Profile # |
| Oh it has nothing to do with the Power Rank, only other than if JWD wants to point out that Fantasy might want to get his head on a little more straight. Crown Prince makes it sound like he's entitled to more than he is, and his overall well performance does seem to go to his head too soon. He should pull out the cocky remarks when he wins, because then you can't really challenge it. |
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| Hinanawi United States. August 29 2009 03:09. Posts 2250 | Profile Blog # |
Meh, who really cares if Fantasy is arrogant? If he is, he got humiliated big time for it. If he isn't, well, either way he'll train harder next time I'm sure.
Flash finally got stopped 2-1 by Bisu (no shame in that) after his monster run (including a completely one-sided series against Effort) this month, I hope he did enough to shut the people who actually believe things like "I'm tired of hearing people say 'Flash is really good, he just loses all of his games'".
Bisu is awesome too, even if people are saying he's becoming 'cheesy', really he's just doing whatever it takes to keep the Protoss race in the game, props to him for that.
I'm still in a state of shock that Kwanro is in the finals. I just don't WANT to believe that he's that good. Deep down I'm hoping Calm crushes him 3-0 in a series as one-sided as Jaedong vs Yarnc, because Kwanro as an MSL winner just feels WRONG.Last edit: 2009-08-29 03:09:58 |
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| ghostWriter United States. August 29 2009 03:52. Posts 3302 | Profile Blog # |
| I don't know, kwanro's road to the finals wasn't that easy at all (flash, zero, iris). But then again, calm had to go through forgg, effort and Jaedong. I feel that calm deserves it more, he's been really monstrous lately, but as a CJ fan, I will be supporting Kwanro. I don't think kwanro's been on the power rank before, so for him to get in as the #4 pick or so would be nice. |
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| Scorn United States. August 29 2009 06:12. Posts 14 | Profile # |
| I don't think Fantasy sounding arrogant is just a mistranslation. Stork said in his own WCG interview that he was motivated because he felt that Fantasy was underestimating him in that interview. |
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| ghostWriter United States. August 29 2009 06:23. Posts 3302 | Profile Blog # |
| Obviously, since Fantasy pretty much ignored stork in his response and focused on Jaedong. But I don't feel that it is a direct insult to stork and it doesn't seem to be a sign of arrogance. Stork's feelings are very understandable, anyone would feel indignant at being ignored like that. |
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 l10f  United States. August 29 2009 07:50. Posts 3190 | Profile Blog # |
What fantasy said on that interview, at least to me, is a sign of confidence, not arrogance. Many progamers say "Oh, I didn't get to practice much" for many of their interviews.
When translating it's hard to keep the tone of the interview exactly the way it is (as I don't a formal training on translating) but what I felt when I read the sentence was that fantasy is confident in his TvP. Not arrogant. |
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| Dice Korea (South). August 29 2009 13:24. Posts 926 | Profile # |
On August 29 2009 02:46 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Oh it has nothing to do with the Power Rank, only other than if JWD wants to point out that Fantasy might want to get his head on a little more straight. Silver Crown Prince makes it sound like he's entitled to more than he is, and his overall well performance does seem to go to his head too soon. He should pull out the cocky remarks when he wins, because then you can't really challenge it.
Fixed by adding one word. ^^ |
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| Musoeun United States. August 29 2009 13:59. Posts 4324 | Profile Blog # |
On August 29 2009 13:24 Dice84 wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 29 2009 02:46 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Oh it has nothing to do with the Power Rank, only other than if JWD wants to point out that Fantasy might want to get his head on a little more straight. Silver Crown Prince makes it sound like he's entitled to more than he is, and his overall well performance does seem to go to his head too soon. He should pull out the cocky remarks when he wins, because then you can't really challenge it.
Fixed by adding one word. ^^
Well at least in Western societies the Crown Prince was the guy who wasn't king yet because the old king was still around... Considering that JD has basically singlehandedly kept fantasy from 2 OSL titles (although maybe Yarnc would have beat him, but I'M IGNORING THAT), I think just "Crown Prince" is accurate enough.  |
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