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Hey, im wondering what is the best way to store large amounts of data. I've got around 4TB~ and it's almost used up and i'm out of sata slots on my MOBO and physical space in my case. Im looking for a solution to store more data for my anime/etc, so i don't need a backup at all. Preferably not in my computer, was thinking about swapping out my 4 X 1TB for 4X2TB. I was looking at a NAS but most of them only have <2TB~ and i dont think you can add more drives to it. I want to be able to add hard drives to it slowly i.e start off with 1 x 2tb~ drive and add more when i need it. I want it to be networked attached so i can stream with my PS3 to watch it on my TV, right now i'm using PS3MS so i don't know if my PS3 can stream from a NAS.
In summary need storage that can expand slowly stream to ps3 somehow especially .MKV files.
EDIT no cloud solution online, i don't want to be streaming even if its cheap esp with crappy speeds
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You could just build a cheap computer with lots of HDDs?
You can get like an Athlon II X2 system for $200 and hook it up to your router.
Something like this ($182 before taxes + shipping): + Show Spoiler +I didn't even look that hard, you can probably save even more. Of course, this isn't including the HDD, since you already have 4 of those... In Summary: 7 internal 3.5" bays - you can add-on Integrated graphics + Cat5 connection already on motherboard Not really that power hungry Edit: You'd need a different PSU, sorry, I just chose a cheap one. You'd need extra SATA power connectors. You can replace the PSU with this one. I also forgot about needing extra SATA ports. So you can switch the mobo with this one. It makes it right at $213 before taxes + shipping.
Pretty much, you can set everything up one time, and not even have a screen hooked up to it anymore. Use LogMeIn or some other remote desktop application (even Windows' own) to control it from another computer from then on.
Or you can just have it hooked up directly to your main TV and use it as an HTPC even, and control it with a wireless keyboard. Or if you have an iPhone, Android phone, iPad, tablet, etc. you can set-up it to be controlled via Wi-fi using any one of those.
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On July 14 2011 04:08 jacosajh wrote:You could just build a cheap computer with lots of HDDs? You can get like an Athlon II X2 system for $200 and hook it up to your router. Something like this: + Show Spoiler +7 internal 3.5" bays Integrated graphics + Cat5 connection already on motherboard Not really that power hungry Pretty much, you can set everything up one time, and not even have a screen hooked up to it anymore. Use LogMeIn or some other remote desktop application (even Windows' own) to control it from another computer from then on. Or you can just have it hooked up directly to your main TV and use it as an HTPC even, and control it with a wireless keyboard. Or if you have an iPhone, Android phone, iPad, tablet, etc. you can set-up it to be controlled via Wi-fi using any one of those.
so complicated......
buy 2 tb external hard drives.
take the 2tb hard drives out
put the 1 tb hard drives in the external casings
done
you would have backed up everything basically without doing anything time consuming and if you need it for music / video / image file storage, your usb port will be more than enough to handle it.
no extra shit, you could keep everything hooked up to your pc if you wanted via usb hub
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Um, for some people, the "complication" is worth it. Being someone who has 2 external hdd casings I never use, I understand there is a need to have stuff on a 24/7 network-ready storage.
To some people, it's worth it to spend $200 to not have to fiddle with stuff every time they need something, especially on the fly and on demand.
And yes, that's 2 external hdd casings and 7TB worth of HDD.
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On July 14 2011 04:20 eu.exodus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 04:08 jacosajh wrote:You could just build a cheap computer with lots of HDDs? You can get like an Athlon II X2 system for $200 and hook it up to your router. Something like this: + Show Spoiler +7 internal 3.5" bays Integrated graphics + Cat5 connection already on motherboard Not really that power hungry Pretty much, you can set everything up one time, and not even have a screen hooked up to it anymore. Use LogMeIn or some other remote desktop application (even Windows' own) to control it from another computer from then on. Or you can just have it hooked up directly to your main TV and use it as an HTPC even, and control it with a wireless keyboard. Or if you have an iPhone, Android phone, iPad, tablet, etc. you can set-up it to be controlled via Wi-fi using any one of those. so complicated...... buy 2 tb external hard drives. take the 2tb hard drives out put the 1 tb hard drives in the external casings done you would have backed up everything basically without doing anything time consuming and if you need it for music / video / image file storage, your usb port will be more than enough to handle it. no extra shit, you could keep everything hooked up to your pc if you wanted via usb hub
i don't like external drives, run out of plugs for every external, and they're relatively expensive compared to internals.
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A nas can have lots of HD bays(from 1 to like 16), they mostly just come with 0 or 1 hd. You can get a cheap 2 bay nas with 0 HD's for around 75 euro here. External HD is another option. I tihnk its just somewhat more inconvinient.
[edit] If you get a nas make sure to look at the max supported capacity. Mostly cheap once have a lower max capacity.
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+ Show Spoiler +On July 14 2011 04:36 Nuttyguy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 04:20 eu.exodus wrote:On July 14 2011 04:08 jacosajh wrote:You could just build a cheap computer with lots of HDDs? You can get like an Athlon II X2 system for $200 and hook it up to your router. Something like this: + Show Spoiler +7 internal 3.5" bays Integrated graphics + Cat5 connection already on motherboard Not really that power hungry Pretty much, you can set everything up one time, and not even have a screen hooked up to it anymore. Use LogMeIn or some other remote desktop application (even Windows' own) to control it from another computer from then on. Or you can just have it hooked up directly to your main TV and use it as an HTPC even, and control it with a wireless keyboard. Or if you have an iPhone, Android phone, iPad, tablet, etc. you can set-up it to be controlled via Wi-fi using any one of those. so complicated...... buy 2 tb external hard drives. take the 2tb hard drives out put the 1 tb hard drives in the external casings done you would have backed up everything basically without doing anything time consuming and if you need it for music / video / image file storage, your usb port will be more than enough to handle it. no extra shit, you could keep everything hooked up to your pc if you wanted via usb hub i don't like external drives, run out of plugs for every external, and they're relatively expensive compared to internals.
Exactly:
1 TB 7200 RPM HDD Internal hovers right around $55-60, $50 if you get a good deal. 1 TB 7200 RPM HDD External hovers right around at $65-70.
You're paying a slight premium to be bound by usb wires and external power cords. Inconvenient and unsightly. The slight premium on that many external HDDs also add up when you start getting a lot of them. Say you get like 5x 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F3's right now at $50 each. You're looking at about $20x5 = $100 savings over External HDD options.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 14 2011 04:38 Madoga wrote: A nas can have lots of HD bays(from 1 to like 16), they mostly just come with 0 or 1 hd. You can get a cheap 2 bay nas with 0 HD's for around 75 euro here. External HD is another option. I tihnk its just somewhat more inconvinient.
[edit] If you get a nas make sure to look at the max supported capacity. Mostly cheap once have a lower max capacity.
Even a 4-bay NAS can cost over $300.
Edit: I just realized you're from the UK, but I'm assuming price relativity remains the same there.
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On July 14 2011 04:38 Madoga wrote: A nas can have lots of HD bays(from 1 to like 16), they mostly just come with 0 or 1 hd. You can get a cheap 2 bay nas with 0 HD's for around 75 euro here. External HD is another option. I tihnk its just somewhat more inconvinient.
[edit] If you get a nas make sure to look at the max supported capacity. Mostly cheap once have a lower max capacity. a NAS seems expensive from where i'm looking at, a 4 bay starts from £200+, it seems more viable with a new computer remotely controlled.
http://www.ebuyer.com/search?sq=4 bay&store=8&cat=387&sort=popularity&limit=10&page=1&subsearch=Go 1 bay = 1 3.5" hard drive right?
EDIT this seems stupid for a NAS, paying to plug in hard drives, its like a overpriced MOBO with power lol.
EDIT right now theres only 2 solutions? a NAS and a budge computer with a MOBO with tons of sata slots? isn't there like a server-like solution or is the price just ridiculous. All i want is to plug in hard drives into it and hopefully with a PS3 solution. -_-
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A nas is more quiet and uses less power which is fairly important fo ra device you will most likely keep on most of the time. If you build your own server pc I suggest you look at an atom processor + mini itx or something along those lines and an effiecient quiet PSU.
[edit] Nas will allso be a lot easier to set up and comes with the required software. A nas is basicly a dedicated mini pc. If you are not sure on how to setup your own pc server I suggest a nas.
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Yeah, the Athlon II X2 250 will consume around 2-3x more power than a NAS (around 50W idle, 100W load). Depending on how much power costs where you are, this could be fairly negligible. For me, the difference between 100W and 200W running 24/7 for a month is about $6.50 vs $13. You could build an Atom server pc, but I've found some lag on those when controlling through remote.
Noise can be an issue, but can also be reduced.
I don't know what you mean by PS3 solution? If it's anything like an Xbox 360, I just use allow the Xbox 360 access to my media from my computer, then I go to my Xbox 360 and stream the files from there...
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i would not reccoment in buying HDDs larger than 1 TB capacity because they tend to have a short livetime and are not as stable as smaller ones because of the relatively new technology.
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@Petrucci, post a source, please, if you're going to call technology that, conceptually, if not in the same physical specifics, has been around for a couple of decades, new and unstable.
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On July 14 2011 04:59 jacosajh wrote: Yeah, the Athlon II X2 250 will consume around 2-3x more power than a NAS (around 50W idle, 100W load). You could build an Atom server pc, but I've found some lag on those when controlling through remote.
Noise can be an issue, but can also be reduced.
I don't know what you mean by PS3 solution? If it's anything like an Xbox 360, I just use allow the Xbox 360 access to my media from my computer, then I go to my Xbox 360 and stream the files from there... Well i use the PS3 to read stuff my drives atm, since PS3 doesn't support mkv files and PS3 media server to play it on the PS3 which is hooked to the TV. Now that i think about it, an atom processor wouldn't be able to stream to a ps3 in HD without lag, i could just use the mini server pc as PC only streaming and use its an 'archive'
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Yeah, the more requirements you post, the more I'm thinking you really don't have a choice but to use a PC as a media server.
And also, if I'm reading you properly, you probably do a lot of torrenting. Which a Server PC can do, but not a NAS (I don't think).
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On July 14 2011 04:59 jacosajh wrote: Yeah, the Athlon II X2 250 will consume around 2-3x more power than a NAS (around 50W idle, 100W load). Depending on how much power costs where you are, this could be fairly negligible. For me, the difference between 100W and 200W running 24/7 for a month is about $6.50 vs $13. You could build an Atom server pc, but I've found some lag on those when controlling through remote.
Atom machines work fine with a Linux distribution on it. I have a nice little Atom running some Ubuntu variant, it does great for making files available in my network and doubles as a webserver, allowing me to host all kinds of small things without having to fall back on internet-file-hosters such as rapidshare and the likes.
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On July 14 2011 05:07 Rannasha wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 04:59 jacosajh wrote: Yeah, the Athlon II X2 250 will consume around 2-3x more power than a NAS (around 50W idle, 100W load). Depending on how much power costs where you are, this could be fairly negligible. For me, the difference between 100W and 200W running 24/7 for a month is about $6.50 vs $13. You could build an Atom server pc, but I've found some lag on those when controlling through remote.
Atom machines work fine with a Linux distribution on it. I have a nice little Atom running some Ubuntu variant, it does great for making files available in my network and doubles as a webserver, allowing me to host all kinds of small things without having to fall back on internet-file-hosters such as rapidshare and the likes.
Can it stream 720p/1080p videos to an Xbox 360/PS3? Or another PC? Also, how does it handle large file transfers? Small, but multiple file transfers? What about remote desktop controlling? I'm not trying to be smart. I'm seriously wondering.
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a NAS seems stupid, it can only hold 4tb~ for a 2 bay drive and its expensive to get a 4 bay one, only perks is low power consumption and maybe a torrent program so you can save more power.
I wish there was something that made TB drives look silly, like cd to dvd then to blu rays.
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So you're saying you're wishing 10TB was a normal requirement...
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On July 14 2011 05:03 JingleHell wrote: @Petrucci, post a source, please, if you're going to call technology that, conceptually, if not in the same physical specifics, has been around for a couple of decades, new and unstable.
I think he's referring to some time ago when a lot of larger drives failed. I never paid much attention to this, but a lot of people used to suggest putting your OS on a smaller HDD since there was a generation (or maybe more) of Seagate and Western Digital 1TB drives that were notorious for failing. I don't see many people worrying about this anymore though. And I, for one, never get anything less than 1 TB anymore.
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On July 14 2011 05:20 jacosajh wrote: So you're saying you're wishing 10TB was a normal requirement... Blu rays aren't a 'normal requirement'. But if you look in the future they're might be larger files such as 1080p being todays equivalent of 480p. I was just saying if someone gave you a blu-ray disc when you was still using floppy disks you would NEVER think about space again.
EDIT kinda of quick question, what sectors sizes would be most efficient for space? i remember for the 1tb drives i have atm they are like 4096 blocks i remember seeing 52k blocks or something familar, all i know is that speed is dependent on the file size as well.
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