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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On February 16 2012 02:25 red4ce wrote: The Lin-Tebow comparison is really annoying. What do they have in common besides the fact that they're both Christians? Tebow was a golden boy since high school: 5 star quarterback recruit that all the best schools wanted, won a nation championship and a heisman trophy, first round pick. Lin didn't get a single scholarship offer from a PAC-10 or any other major school, went undrafted, sent to the D-league and released by 2 teams. Their stories are nothing alike. I agree 100% here. Lin is really a royal roader to the extreme, and just came out of nowhere. But what can I say, a lot of naive people out there. | ||
Skullflower
United States3779 Posts
On February 15 2012 13:10 Jibba wrote: The iso was fine. Taking a three at the end of a tied game when your strength is driving to the basket isn't fine. Taking a three when you're a 17% 3pt shooter at the end of a tied game isn't fine. It's awesome, but it's the kind of thing that makes Larry Brown roll over in his grave. He doesn't need to get past him. He just needs some momentum and a foul. I think he'll learn to do it next time it comes up. How is driving and praying for a foul better than taking a wide open 3 pt. shot in a tied game with 4 seconds left? Not to mention that refs will usually swallow their whistles when it really comes down to it in the end game like that anyways | ||
warding
Portugal2394 Posts
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SilverJohnny
United States885 Posts
On February 16 2012 02:35 warding wrote: For non-americans who are a bit out of the loop, why is the Tebow guy so popular? He's a pretty decent quarterback who makes a huge deal of his religion and had some unexpected successes this season, so a lot of conservative christian types look to him as a role model/ inspiration and some even claim that God is on his side. | ||
billy5000
United States865 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On February 16 2012 02:34 Skullflower wrote: You don't take 3s when you don't need to, and he's not a good 3pt shooter. A drive at the end is how it's usually done, even with defenders playing off. He even could've stopped at the top of the key and taken a jumper, which is one of his best shots.How is driving and praying for a foul better than taking a wide open 3 pt. shot in a tied game with 4 seconds left? Not to mention that refs will usually swallow their whistles when it really comes down to it in the end game like that anyways | ||
Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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rei
United States3593 Posts
On February 16 2012 02:34 Skullflower wrote: How is driving and praying for a foul better than taking a wide open 3 pt. shot in a tied game with 4 seconds left? Not to mention that refs will usually swallow their whistles when it really comes down to it in the end game like that anyways Because that's the norm in the NBA, ppl likes to charges in there initiates contact throws a body at somebody and pray for a foul all the time. I hate that kind of play, where is the skills in that? especially for people who are obviously very skilled like Rose who clearly skill enough and doesn't have to go this path to get cheap free points. But I can understand what Jibba is saying, the best point guard will always make the best decision , and if he were the at Lin's place he wouldn't trust his own shooting ability(17% lol) to make the shot even if it was the best option available at the time when the defender gave him 3 steps of space. Any competent point guard with confident in their shot would have taken that shot. Lin showed a lot of confident in his shooting, though the game was not on the line for his team, it was clutch but he had nothing to lose by taking it. The worse thing could happened was a tie game and OT. | ||
Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On February 16 2012 02:42 Jibba wrote: You don't take 3s when you don't need to, and he's not a good 3pt shooter. A drive at the end is how it's usually done, even with defenders playing off. He even could've stopped at the top of the key and taken a jumper, which is one of his best shots. It's because his defender stepped back and gave him a really good look at it. Even if you're 17%, when you get a good look it's much higher than that. He was probably thinking about running in and taking a shorter one, but if you watch his defender steps off him and gives him space expecting him to drive in. | ||
Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On February 16 2012 02:35 warding wrote: For non-americans who are a bit out of the loop, why is the Tebow guy so popular? Because of this.. http://tebowing.com/about and the fact that he only actually learns to throw the ball when the game is about to end, which is a big deal because that makes you win games no one thought you would win. | ||
rei
United States3593 Posts
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
On February 16 2012 02:28 Bagration wrote: I agree 100% here. Lin is really a royal roader to the extreme, and just came out of nowhere. But what can I say, a lot of naive people out there. When Tebow joined the league most experts said "he's not good enough, he'll never be a successful QB". When Lin join the league he was basically told "you're not good enough, you'll not make it in the NBA". When Tebow started to win, the experts said "there's no reason for him to be winning, it's luck, it can't last". When Lin started to win, the experts said "there's no reason for him to be winning like this, it's a fluke, it can't last". Then both of them kept winning. Then people drew a parallel between them. Where I've heard the stories split is that some people, looking at the stats, think there's a chance that Lin may be able to maintain this production long-term. Meanwhile, most 'experts' think that Tebow's run of luck is likely over and he can't maintain the winning he was doing. | ||
ecstatica
United States542 Posts
On February 16 2012 02:42 Jibba wrote: You don't take 3s when you don't need to, and he's not a good 3pt shooter. A drive at the end is how it's usually done, even with defenders playing off. He even could've stopped at the top of the key and taken a jumper, which is one of his best shots. To be honest, we don't know how good of a shooter he is in this situation. he's won games like this before, that's for sure. Obviously this was not a high-percentage shot under regular circumstances, but when I watch him play I can help but think he adjusts momentarily and makes very rational decisions. He obviously lacks flare and smoothness, and it will probably never develop to the extent of one of the best in the game, but he utilizes his own unique skillset to the max. You notice how he sometimes stops in the midst of driving and kind of looks at the opponent and does something interesting? What if he actually calculated what was going on and consciously decided this was the best thing to do given the leeway to shoot 3? I mean he could've just though "okay this is my time to shine god help me" and blindly execute. But somehow it didn't feel that way. I'm sure he'll learn a lot, he seems to progress. He definitely got some IQ that's one thing you can't take away. | ||
ecstatica
United States542 Posts
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On February 16 2012 05:37 ecstatica wrote: I don't mind what Lin is doing in terms of preaching to the public, but he really should keep more of it to himself. Somehow other ballers refrain from expressing their views on religion/politics/w.e else for the most part. Some of them are atheists, some are Muslims. Do we really want everything to be out there? I'd want some kind of regulation to exist, especially while they rep their sports organizations. Tell me when he has ever preached in public, he isn't Tebow. He only brings it up when he is asked about it. He is not an evangelist he is just deeply religious and gives thanks where he feels they are due but he doesn't go out of his way to shove it into you. | ||
ecstatica
United States542 Posts
On February 16 2012 05:51 Zlasher wrote: Tell me when he has ever preached in public, he isn't Tebow. He only brings it up when he is asked about it. He is not an evangelist he is just deeply religious and gives thanks where he feels they are due but he doesn't go out of his way to shove it into you. It's pretty much the same, besides kneeling. He does say "thanks to my lord and savior jesus christ" right after scoring a game winner while being interviewed, this kind of constitutes shoving. I have to hear it if I'm watching the game, I don't care if he does it off the premises or w/e. | ||
chennis
Taiwan227 Posts
On February 16 2012 02:42 Jibba wrote: You don't take 3s when you don't need to, and he's not a good 3pt shooter. A drive at the end is how it's usually done, even with defenders playing off. He even could've stopped at the top of the key and taken a jumper, which is one of his best shots. To be fair, its raptors home court + end of game. He's pretty much guaranteed not to get that foul call if he drives. Obviously I prefer that he takes a mid range (statistically his best shot so far), but you gotta take what the defense gives you. | ||
ZERG_RUSSIAN
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