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On December 02 2016 21:39 ICanFlyLow wrote: Wasnt this guy all anti afreeca and scolded the players who streamed for Cash? Now he does it too.. He was never anti afreeca and he never scolded players who streamed for cash. All he said was that some of the BJs made progamers look bad. Which some do.
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Japan11285 Posts
Many players probably talked to him or the other way around. I mean, respected figures in the gaming circuit also streamed and didn't really stoop down low Terror-level stuff
edit - didn't see above post. thx
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its truly an amazing time for broodwar fans Flash/Bisu/Jaedong/Stork streams available to you to get close and intimate with your beloved legends
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Will he stick around? Or bow out like July did? Quite unexpected.
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Think people should just reread his statement about streaming... + Show Spoiler +On October 31 2013 02:42 OpticalShot wrote:I feel like these doubly-translated threads are baits for the direct translators to come out and clarify... well I'm baited. Here's the original Korean text and my direct translation for the streaming part. + Show Spoiler [Original Korean] +- 그래도 은퇴한 선수들은 개인방송을 통해서 팬들을 찾고 있잖아요. 인기가 장난이 아니던데, 부럽지는 않아요? ▶ 저는 개인방송에 대해서 굉장히 부정적이거든요. 방송에서 망가지는 모습을 보니까 안타까워요. 조작 사건과 관련된 선수도 방송을 하잖아요. 그러니 더더욱 개인방송에 대해 좋은 인상을 받기가 어렵죠. 저는 프로게이머로서의 프라이드가 강해요. 관중들이 한 둘씩 오는 것이 아니라 몇 만 명씩 와서 환호를 하잖아요. 그런 팬들이 좋아했던 것은 궁극적으로 그 선수의 플레이잖아요. 개인방송을 하는 사람들 중에 일부는 그런 환상을 모두 깨는 동시에, 팬들을 돈으로 보는 행동을 해요. 분명히 대회장에서 보면 정말 멀쩡했거든요. 그런데 돈을 위해 그렇게까지 변한다는 점이 무척 아쉬워요. 순수한 의도면 모를까 돈을 위한 방송은 하지 않았으면 좋겠어요. 물론 안 그런 선수들도 있지만요.
- Still, many retired progamers are interacting with their fans via their personal streams. [These streamers/streams] are quite popular, are you perhaps jealous of them? ▶ My view on those personal streams is very negative. It's sad to see them embarrass themselves in their broadcasts. Besides, even those associated with the matchfixing scandal are streaming, and that makes it even harder to view the streams in a positive light. I take great personal pride in being a progamer. Fans don't come one by one, they come by the tens of thousands to cheer [for the progamers/teams]. For those fans, the core motivation behind their loyalty is the player's skill. Some of the [ex-progamer] streamers shatter those images while broadcasting, and [even do things that show] they treat the fans as money [and nothing more]. All of these guys were perfectly fine before [when I met them / was with them in eSports stadiums/competitions]. That's why it's so disappointing to see these guys turn [into what I described above] just for money. Streaming for [enjoyment of the game, etc.] is fine, but I hope they don't stream for the sole purpose of making money. Of course, not all streamers are like that.
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Stork is coming back now too? Holy shit, the glory days have returned!
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On December 02 2016 17:30 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: they guy that hated afreeca and criticized other expros for doing it ^^ Yep.. Now I wanna see his face when he is accepting donations and bitching for more. Maybe we can see him without eyebrows too.. :D
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Wasn`t exactly Stork himself advocating against streaming?... (just against terror and his kind -if there are- :D)
On December 03 2016 05:56 byj wrote:Think people should just reread his statement about streaming... + Show Spoiler +On October 31 2013 02:42 OpticalShot wrote:I feel like these doubly-translated threads are baits for the direct translators to come out and clarify... well I'm baited. Here's the original Korean text and my direct translation for the streaming part. + Show Spoiler [Original Korean] +- 그래도 은퇴한 선수들은 개인방송을 통해서 팬들을 찾고 있잖아요. 인기가 장난이 아니던데, 부럽지는 않아요? ▶ 저는 개인방송에 대해서 굉장히 부정적이거든요. 방송에서 망가지는 모습을 보니까 안타까워요. 조작 사건과 관련된 선수도 방송을 하잖아요. 그러니 더더욱 개인방송에 대해 좋은 인상을 받기가 어렵죠. 저는 프로게이머로서의 프라이드가 강해요. 관중들이 한 둘씩 오는 것이 아니라 몇 만 명씩 와서 환호를 하잖아요. 그런 팬들이 좋아했던 것은 궁극적으로 그 선수의 플레이잖아요. 개인방송을 하는 사람들 중에 일부는 그런 환상을 모두 깨는 동시에, 팬들을 돈으로 보는 행동을 해요. 분명히 대회장에서 보면 정말 멀쩡했거든요. 그런데 돈을 위해 그렇게까지 변한다는 점이 무척 아쉬워요. 순수한 의도면 모를까 돈을 위한 방송은 하지 않았으면 좋겠어요. 물론 안 그런 선수들도 있지만요.
- Still, many retired progamers are interacting with their fans via their personal streams. [These streamers/streams] are quite popular, are you perhaps jealous of them? ▶ My view on those personal streams is very negative. It's sad to see them embarrass themselves in their broadcasts. Besides, even those associated with the matchfixing scandal are streaming, and that makes it even harder to view the streams in a positive light. I take great personal pride in being a progamer. Fans don't come one by one, they come by the tens of thousands to cheer [for the progamers/teams]. For those fans, the core motivation behind their loyalty is the player's skill. Some of the [ex-progamer] streamers shatter those images while broadcasting, and [even do things that show] they treat the fans as money [and nothing more]. All of these guys were perfectly fine before [when I met them / was with them in eSports stadiums/competitions]. That's why it's so disappointing to see these guys turn [into what I described above] just for money. Streaming for [enjoyment of the game, etc.] is fine, but I hope they don't stream for the sole purpose of making money. Of course, not all streamers are like that. Don`t all progamers do it for the sole purpose of money anyway? I`d bet.
On December 03 2016 15:50 Me_ToKa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 17:30 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: they guy that hated afreeca and criticized other expros for doing it ^^ Yep.. Now I wanna see his face when he is accepting donations and bitching for more. Maybe we can see him without eyebrows too.. :D :DDDD
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United States2948 Posts
Great to have another progamer streaming. With folks heading off to army and whatnot, nice to see any additions
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France1916 Posts
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On December 03 2016 18:19 HaN- wrote: Who's next ? :D
Only Fantasy at this point I believe.
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On December 03 2016 18:19 HaN- wrote: Who's next ? :D Fanta and jangbi, I hope.
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Shinee vs Strok right now
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On December 04 2016 17:25 marwin wrote: Shinee vs Strok right now
how do u know its stork/strok ?
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the hypocrisy of Stork streaming in Afreeca.
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I can't wait to watch his matches!
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https://www.invenglobal.com/articles/555 + Show Spoiler +A while back, I had a slight misunderstanding with the Brood War community. I was trying to criticize two specific groups of BW streamers – those who had been convicted of matchfixing, and those who had become a “stream monkey” ready to humiliate themselves and others nonstop just for the cash grab – but my words were quoted out of context; people thought I was looking down on all BW streamers, something I have never done.
I tried to clear it up back then, but I know a lot of people, including some ex-BW pros, didn’t receive the memo. I hope I can clear it up for good this time during my first few weeks on Afreeca."
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