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Hello, I'm a former 2010 Diamond 1v1 player for the protoss in the top 5 I believe. I did this using Protoss All-In. I'm just good with Micro-ing my Stalkers because I played Warcraft 3 TFT as well and have the fiends.
I tried other strategies that Stats does such as Phoenix and Adepts and Immortal Adept Drops and all the fancy stuff.
I just decided that I'm not pro enough to play with Multi-tasking since I got ADHD and get distracted and I'm better at Micro with a high APM avg 300 and 400-600 Peak.
Is it wise to play Stalkers All In until I reach Diamond then switch strategy such as a standard build of adepts and phoenixs or stalkers, sentry, immortals and robo collosus build?
Or should I practice going the build I'm going to do once in Masters level?
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Has mostly cheesed even to pro tournaments, so why not? The book of protoss bullshit is big enough to vary your strategies once you feel the need. The goal is to win, not to macro.
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It will be very, very hard to properly play macro builds if you've reached Masters solely through all-ins. So, my suggestion is to keep on playing like Has, because there's nothing wrong (though frustrating to play against) with an all-in style.
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If you can get to masters by doing all ins with stalkers I'll be fairly impressed.
It's not wise for reasons you already seem to understand though. You won't be able to maintain your rank if you practice one thing vs lesser players, and then change your play style once you are playing against the best players on the server.
Do whatever you want though, you're just playing for fun after all.
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MarineKing, Scarlett, and others did this, there's nothing inherently wrong with it.
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Whichever is more fun for you to play is the way you'll practise more.
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On May 14 2017 10:04 jimminy_kriket wrote: If you can get to masters by doing all ins with stalkers I'll be fairly impressed.
It's not wise for reasons you already seem to understand though. You won't be able to maintain your rank if you practice one thing vs lesser players, and then change your play style once you are playing against the best players on the server.
Do whatever you want though, you're just playing for fun after all. If you do not go for troll builds it really is not hard provided you macro properly throughout the game. That goes for all the viable builds.
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As others said you can get to the top of master with only all-ins if you do it well. But yeah if you play all-ins only until you are master then start trying to play macro style you will find it tough to change. Play whatever style you find the most fun and/or the most effective and just see how far you can take it, if later you want to change your style then go ahead and change but you might lose a lot while you get used to the new style.
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On May 14 2017 08:13 TwiggyWan wrote: Has mostly cheesed even to pro tournaments, so why not? The book of protoss bullshit is big enough to vary your strategies once you feel the need. The goal is to win, not to macro. That's because he and also to a lesser extent sOs have the mechanics to back it up. I'm not saying that it isn't possible to go from a cheeser to a higher level player but i firmly believe practicing your fundamentals is a more complete way of improving rather than cheesing then struggling once at masters.
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It all depends on what you want from the game. There is nothing inherently wrong with it, so if you enjoy it, go for it. The risk, as others have pointed out as well, is that you get stuck in your one build that you have mastered. So if you get bored of your stalker all-in and want to explore the rest of the protoss arsenal, you'll have a loss-streak in front of you when you find your new MMR. I think that's the main risk... And well, I guess people will learn that you always do the same build if you keep running into the same people. And I guess there's always the risk that your one build will be nerfed either through balance changes or maps.
On the other hand, when you switch build you'll get the opportunity of practicing it against really good opponents, which probably will allow you to learn faster, as the master players will immediately show you any flaws in your build.
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It´s like leasing a fancy car... You technically have it but not really.
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On May 14 2017 07:06 SpartanFoL wrote: Hello, I'm a former 2010 Diamond 1v1 player for the protoss in the top 5 I believe. I did this using Protoss All-In. I'm just good with Micro-ing my Stalkers because I played Warcraft 3 TFT as well and have the fiends.
I tried other strategies that Stats does such as Phoenix and Adepts and Immortal Adept Drops and all the fancy stuff.
I just decided that I'm not pro enough to play with Multi-tasking since I got ADHD and get distracted and I'm better at Micro with a high APM avg 300 and 400-600 Peak.
Is it wise to play Stalkers All In until I reach Diamond then switch strategy such as a standard build of adepts and phoenixs or stalkers, sentry, immortals and robo collosus build?
Or should I practice going the build I'm going to do once in Masters level?
There is no way u can get master only by cheese or all in with protoss. That era died with hots. Protoss cheese and all ins are weak, luck based and the counterattack will kill you immediatly.
Imho, focus on macro oriented easy build. You can do pretty well versus terran with little effort, versus zerg you need a lot more effort. But just think the wheel will turn and once this will happens you will be a way better player than zergs or terrans
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I have a good question. Can we still talk about all in in LOTV ? I think with LOTV, we have to deal with an early agression (because of 12 harvesters), which can kill your opponent (or not) but without put you far behind economically (for example 3 racks reaper into 2nd and 3th CC in TvZ) With Toss, IMO there is no more all in builds with adept/phoenix play into early 3th nexus for example.
Weltall wrote: Imho, focus on macro oriented easy build. You can do pretty well versus terran with little effort,
Hell yeah ! (I am Terran
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On May 14 2017 20:46 Sound1 wrote:I have a good question. Can we still talk about all in in LOTV ? I think with LOTV, we have to deal with an early agression (because of 12 harvesters), which can kill your opponent (or not) but without put you far behind economically (for example 3 racks reaper into 2nd and 3th CC in TvZ) With Toss, IMO there is no more all in builds with adept/phoenix play into early 3th nexus for example. Show nested quote +Weltall wrote: Imho, focus on macro oriented easy build. You can do pretty well versus terran with little effort, Hell yeah ! (I am Terran
I think an all-in is an attack that makes the player who used it pretty much lose if it gets held without doing very big amounts of damage. I believe there are as many all-ins in lotv as in the other expansions.
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On May 14 2017 18:06 Weltall wrote: There is no way u can get master only by cheese or all in with protoss.
You can get to GM with any race doing only all-ins
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A quick question for anyone who got to Master's/GM by doing cheese (or a similar rank): does it feel any less fun with time, or is doing an all-in still as enjoyable the thousandth time as the first?
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On May 14 2017 07:06 SpartanFoL wrote: Hello, I'm a former 2010 Diamond 1v1 player for the protoss in the top 5 I believe. I did this using Protoss All-In. I'm just good with Micro-ing my Stalkers because I played Warcraft 3 TFT as well and have the fiends.
I tried other strategies that Stats does such as Phoenix and Adepts and Immortal Adept Drops and all the fancy stuff.
I just decided that I'm not pro enough to play with Multi-tasking since I got ADHD and get distracted and I'm better at Micro with a high APM avg 300 and 400-600 Peak.
Is it wise to play Stalkers All In until I reach Diamond then switch strategy such as a standard build of adepts and phoenixs or stalkers, sentry, immortals and robo collosus build?
Or should I practice going the build I'm going to do once in Masters level? Work on your mechanics until it becomes a tool for you to use. Then you can learn how to think. So learn to win in the fastest way. You'll progress more if you learn how to play "proper" macro games against masters/GM than if you are trying to learn the game playing against lower leagues players. TL;DR: yes, cheese your way to the top.
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On May 14 2017 22:35 Karpfen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2017 20:46 Sound1 wrote:I have a good question. Can we still talk about all in in LOTV ? I think with LOTV, we have to deal with an early agression (because of 12 harvesters), which can kill your opponent (or not) but without put you far behind economically (for example 3 racks reaper into 2nd and 3th CC in TvZ) With Toss, IMO there is no more all in builds with adept/phoenix play into early 3th nexus for example. Weltall wrote: Imho, focus on macro oriented easy build. You can do pretty well versus terran with little effort, Hell yeah ! (I am Terran I think an all-in is an attack that makes the player who used it pretty much lose if it gets held without doing very big amounts of damage. I believe there are as many all-ins in lotv as in the other expansions.
Yeah, OK, I see what you mean, but I think in LOTV the gap is very close between a timing attack with an harvester production stopped, and a timing Attack into macro game (with constant harvester prod during attack)
I saw a lot of pro players games with a very late 3th base (so with an early aggressiv play which looked like an all in) and finally end into a macro game.
In addition we can see there is no more SCV pull in LOTV (which was a real all in), IMO because of an easier transition between an early aggressiv play and a macro game.
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