Calculator lady? I've seen plenty of people that could give you the answer much faster than she ever could - only they wouldn't use a calculator. Does that count?
On November 07 2009 10:08 Phrujbaz wrote: Calculator lady? I've seen plenty of people that could give you the answer much faster than she ever could - only they wouldn't use a calculator. Does that count?
On November 07 2009 10:25 Triple7 wrote: These look like useful talents toi have.
LOL ya.. I remember someone saying that girls were like the fastest with their hands, and i argued that. and they used that girl with the cups as an example..
1st) Imagine how fast that lady with the calculator could jerk you off... 2nd) In elementary school i used to do the cup flipping competitively and my best time is 8 seconds. 3rd) The Piano guy is not the fastest player ever, either is the guy form buckethead. 4th) That last guy is just a retard.
On November 07 2009 11:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Shawn Lane is the fastest player who retains any sort of melody.
BucketHead is the fastest tapper.
michael romeo is faster tapping than buckethead
buckethead's chromatic stuff is like 16-17 nps, that betcha can't play this lick by romeo is up to 23 nps at the 32nd note parts
none of matters because guthrie govan is the fastest living guitarist who (imo) surpasses lane in his melodic playing
edit @ drhelvetica
600 apm is like 10 nps, which is pretty easy for any serious musician (16th notes at 150 bpm? please). 800 apm is around 13 nps, which is about the speed where shredding starts to sound like shredding. i wouldn't be surprised if there were players who peaked over 1000 apm spamming
@ divinek
cooley is just a wanker, and he's not even a fast wanker at that (maxes out 17 nps picking). that said i still enjoy his solo album haha
On November 07 2009 11:24 iSiN wrote: or beat julyzergs 800apm peak?
Can your apm even be that high? Even by holding down hotkeys you can't break 600 I think.
I tried this now. With just my left hand going 1234 with each finger stroking a different key i got ~700 keystrokes in a minute. And I definitely couldve gotten it faster, and then add my right hand.
Richter was one of the best, man. His recordings of Liszt's stuff is ridic. Agreed on the skill though, you need more than mechanics to make the music sound good.
Pianoplayers are fast, sound good at the same time and the pure strength and individual control in their fingers is unbelievable. Guitarplayer can just play fast.
On November 07 2009 16:53 HwangjaeTerran wrote: Pianoplayers are fast, sound good at the same time and the pure strength and individual control in their fingers is unbelievable. Guitarplayer can just play fast.
On November 07 2009 16:53 HwangjaeTerran wrote: Pianoplayers are fast, sound good at the same time and the pure strength and individual control in their fingers is unbelievable. Guitarplayer can just play fast.
This man speaks the truth.
edit: except classical guitar players; that requires some insane dexterity too, not to mention expression.
buckethead's chromatic stuff is like 16-17 nps, that betcha can't play this lick by romeo is up to 23 nps at the 32nd note parts
none of matters because guthrie govan is the fastest living guitarist who (imo) surpasses lane in his melodic playing
edit @ drhelvetica
600 apm is like 10 nps, which is pretty easy for any serious musician (16th notes at 150 bpm? please). 800 apm is around 13 nps, which is about the speed where shredding starts to sound like shredding. i wouldn't be surprised if there were players who peaked over 1000 apm spamming
@ divinek
cooley is just a wanker, and he's not even a fast wanker at that (maxes out 17 nps picking). that said i still enjoy his solo album haha
Well pressing buttons on a keyboard spamming has just about nothing to do with playing music, and the only true corollary is piano. Other instruments depend on way more things than how fast you can move your fingers downward. And 16th notes at 150 bpm might be easy for shredders, but doing that for a length of time for a piece that requires a lot of musicianship (aka not for the sole purpose of speed) is actually pretty tough. Piano players get all those flurries of notes because they can sustain that speed pretty easily, but when we get into the other instruments it really depends on the piece. Playing in C/F/G with a lot of step-wise motion is waaaaay easier than playing in a less-used key with a lot of leaps on most instruments.
I mean I'm not trying to say shredding is bad to listen to, but it's not a good basis for judging "serious musicians." If we take an up tune for jazz players (~220 bpm), that's like as fast you'll be playing 8th notes, which of course translates to a "slower" 16th-note.
Ok its 3am, I do this shit for a living, I could go on for days... I'm just gonna hit post...
On November 07 2009 17:06 sharkeyanti wrote: I play classical guitar, jazz in a pinch, and I always love getting some free form rock (a la Tortoise/Battles) going. I teach for a lving!
edit: but its 95% classical, the other stuff is just skills ive picked up over the years/when I first started playing
You have made a good choice, nothing beats classical guitar.
And it´s true about shredding, while it´s fast it still requires much less than those pianopieces, it´s all about repeating/triads on those same few scales, of course there are exceptions. Jazz players are freaks but IMO even it loses something when going too fast. Wes Montgomery now that is something.
it might be repetitive arpeggios or scale runs but yngwie and paul gilbert make it sound so good :p
then of course you have the insane freaks like john mclaughlin, greg howe, shawn lane, and guthrie govan whose lines easily rival any key players'. i personally like the fusion style of shredding best, but paul gilbert always has a place in my heart
also, 16th notes at 150 bpm really isn't that hard. i would hardly call myself anything approaching a shredder but doing scale runs at that speed is simple, so i would think that 2 handed keyboard spamming should be able to exceed 600 apm pretty easily for any longtime starcraft player.
anyways the point i was trying to make is that the simple mechanical motion of your fingers being able to spam over 800 apm isn't impossible at all when you look at some pretty average finger speed from some guitar players
On November 07 2009 10:08 Phrujbaz wrote: Calculator lady? I've seen plenty of people that could give you the answer much faster than she ever could - only they wouldn't use a calculator. Does that count?
I doubt this.
Naw it's true, there are people who use some other mental method to calculate huge lists of numbers really fast, they use a completely different method than the normal way to calculate though...
sorry about the music stuff OP, I just don't like the correlation between "apm" and playing a piece of music, it's really a pretty bad way to think about it. That example of the accordianist playing "Flight of the Bumblebee" is pretty cool though.
that's pretty impressive stuff sadly i have reached the limit of my calculator abilities and it's not limited by me.. but by the calculator. there's this really dumbass policy in university of waterloo that you're only allowed to use one of 2 calculators. one is of no use to me and the other registers the clicks too slowly. all too often (this is very noticeable with doubletaps like 11 or 22) the second tap won't register. it REALLY pisses me off. i know it's not me making a mistake because on my old crappy casio calculator, that never ever *ever* happens. plus i can do it such that you distinctly hear two taps but only one number appears. it's really pathetic whoever engineered this garbage calculator. imagine if you had to slow down your double clicks on the mouse....
so yeah, fuck you waterloo and approve some non-shitty calculators. thanks.
Lots of cool stuff here, but that abacus thing. What is she doing that is impressive? Because everything else I can see is impressive even if I have no clue about what they are doing, but in that video it just looks like she pushes some buttons at a rather slow speed...
Forgive my ignorance, but I have no clue what she is doing or why that is suppose to be impressive. Someone please enlighten me!
On November 08 2009 06:51 Oystein wrote: Lots of cool stuff here, but that abacus thing. What is she doing that is impressive? Because everything else I can see is impressive even if I have no clue about what they are doing, but in that video it just looks like she pushes some buttons at a rather slow speed...
Forgive my ignorance, but I have no clue what she is doing or why that is suppose to be impressive. Someone please enlighten me!
On November 08 2009 06:51 Oystein wrote: Lots of cool stuff here, but that abacus thing. What is she doing that is impressive? Because everything else I can see is impressive even if I have no clue about what they are doing, but in that video it just looks like she pushes some buttons at a rather slow speed...
Forgive my ignorance, but I have no clue what she is doing or why that is suppose to be impressive. Someone please enlighten me!
yeah not really sure about that lol
Its the speed of their calculation process, basically human calculators doing operations at WTF speed.
edit: Watch this video and well.... Try the mental abacus instead. :D
On November 08 2009 01:15 h3r1n6 wrote: I thought this might turn into a guitarist comparison. I just wanted some example of shredding, to compare to the video game players or secretaries.
On November 07 2009 10:08 Phrujbaz wrote: Calculator lady? I've seen plenty of people that could give you the answer much faster than she ever could - only they wouldn't use a calculator. Does that count?
its not the same thing, those people probably couldnt flip through those pages as fast as she could and read all those numbers. doing mental math really fast is one thing, superfast data entry is another
speed doesn't really impress me that much...it's all muscle memory...i can shred just as fast as any of these guitarists but i'm not a great guitarist because improvising or creating music is infinitely harder than being able to do something really fast which only requires a lot of brainless practice.
On November 15 2009 07:18 omg.deus wrote: speed doesn't really impress me that much...it's all muscle memory...i can shred just as fast as any of these guitarists but i'm not a great guitarist because improvising or creating music is infinitely harder than being able to do something really fast which only requires a lot of brainless practice.
excuse me? practice is nowhere near brainless until you get to the final product, even if it's just playing fast.
On November 15 2009 07:18 omg.deus wrote: speed doesn't really impress me that much...it's all muscle memory...i can shred just as fast as any of these guitarists but i'm not a great guitarist because improvising or creating music is infinitely harder than being able to do something really fast which only requires a lot of brainless practice.
i'd like to see you play at the speeds shawn lane, guthrie govan, or john mclaughlin do when they improvise ahahah
edit: in fact, i'd like to see you shred with even a quarter of the accuracy that michael angelo batio can, because your claim is total bullshit
On November 15 2009 07:18 omg.deus wrote: speed doesn't really impress me that much...it's all muscle memory...i can shred just as fast as any of these guitarists but i'm not a great guitarist because improvising or creating music is infinitely harder than being able to do something really fast which only requires a lot of brainless practice.
Not as fast as flight of the bumblebee, but besides it being an awesome song, it's harder to play. If you hear it carefully you'll see how insane this is (lots of voices)
If you just wanna see speed, start at 1:40 or 2:20
Also, her reaction at the end is quite adequate :D
On November 15 2009 10:51 Z-BosoN wrote: Not as fast as flight of the bumblebee, but besides it being an awesome song, it's harder to play. If you hear it carefully you'll see how insane this is (lots of voices)
If you just wanna see speed, start at 1:40 or 2:20
From a pure technical standpoint, those last vids (bumblebee, house of flying fingers, and tom and jerry) are fucking crazy. I don't understand how they have such precision and dexterity at that high of speeds (and I've played piano for 12 years).
On November 15 2009 07:18 omg.deus wrote: speed doesn't really impress me that much...it's all muscle memory...i can shred just as fast as any of these guitarists but i'm not a great guitarist because improvising or creating music is infinitely harder than being able to do something really fast which only requires a lot of brainless practice.
i'd like to see you play at the speeds shawn lane, guthrie govan, or john mclaughlin do when they improvise ahahah
edit: in fact, i'd like to see you shred with even a quarter of the accuracy that michael angelo batio can, because your claim is total bullshit
you would completely eat your words if you saw me play the guitar...and you completely missed my point. My point is i'm NOT great at improvising or composing music which is why I'm not a great guitarist. I used to go to guitar camps when I was younger and there were tons of 14 year olds who could play the music of all the people you just mentioned...and I used to know 'speed lives' by michaelangelo by memory...it's not that hard...i learned at the end of my first year of guitar playing....it's just requires a lot of practice and a metronome.
being able to play something that someone else composed is easy. Brainless practice with a metronome. You really don't have to think much at all...A lot of these old shred pieces I learned when I was younger I couldn't write down in sheet music or play slowly. If I just start playing at normal tempo my hands will just automatically start playing them because it's muscle memory and not anything I have to consciously think about.
Yeah, I guess most people who just pick up the guitar and dick around and aren't that serious about it may find it "impossible"...but for the serious players who actually devote a lot of time to it find that technical skill is like 30% of the battle....look at BB KING, one of the greatest guitarists of all time and he plays maybe 5 notes every 2 minutes.
On November 15 2009 07:18 omg.deus wrote: speed doesn't really impress me that much...it's all muscle memory...i can shred just as fast as any of these guitarists but i'm not a great guitarist because improvising or creating music is infinitely harder than being able to do something really fast which only requires a lot of brainless practice.
i'd like to see you play at the speeds shawn lane, guthrie govan, or john mclaughlin do when they improvise ahahah
edit: in fact, i'd like to see you shred with even a quarter of the accuracy that michael angelo batio can, because your claim is total bullshit
you would completely eat your words if you saw me play the guitar...and you completely missed my point. My point is i'm NOT great at improvising or composing music which is why I'm not a great guitarist. I used to go to guitar camps when I was younger and there were tons of 14 year olds who could play the music of all the people you just mentioned...and I used to know 'speed lives' by michaelangelo by memory...it's not that hard...i learned at the end of my first year of guitar playing....it's just requires a lot of practice and a metronome.
being able to play something that someone else composed is easy. Brainless practice with a metronome. You really don't have to think much at all...A lot of these old shred pieces I learned when I was younger I couldn't write down in sheet music or play slowly. If I just start playing at normal tempo my hands will just automatically start playing them because it's muscle memory and not anything I have to consciously think about.
Yeah, I guess most people who just pick up the guitar and dick around and aren't that serious about it may find it "impossible"...but for the serious players who actually devote a lot of time to it find that technical skill is like 30% of the battle....look at BB KING, one of the greatest guitarists of all time and he plays maybe 5 notes every 2 minutes.
~\O_o/~ well post up a video because i doubt you can shred speed lives with any sort of accuracy. plus speed lives is a good 4-5 notes per second slower than shawn lane's fastest parts.
plus, one of your claims was that speed isn't impressive because guitarists are not making music with that speed. jazz fusion players like the ones i mentioned play as fast or faster than the most shredders, while improvising and making great music, which was my original point: speed be impressive and make great music.
@ manitou:
that della vega vid had its audio replaced. look for the audience filmed version, it shows that when he plays it sounds like a complete mess and he's playing maybe 1-2 notes out of every 4.
On November 15 2009 07:18 omg.deus wrote: speed doesn't really impress me that much...it's all muscle memory...i can shred just as fast as any of these guitarists but i'm not a great guitarist because improvising or creating music is infinitely harder than being able to do something really fast which only requires a lot of brainless practice.
i'd like to see you play at the speeds shawn lane, guthrie govan, or john mclaughlin do when they improvise ahahah
edit: in fact, i'd like to see you shred with even a quarter of the accuracy that michael angelo batio can, because your claim is total bullshit
you would completely eat your words if you saw me play the guitar...and you completely missed my point. My point is i'm NOT great at improvising or composing music which is why I'm not a great guitarist. I used to go to guitar camps when I was younger and there were tons of 14 year olds who could play the music of all the people you just mentioned...and I used to know 'speed lives' by michaelangelo by memory...it's not that hard...i learned at the end of my first year of guitar playing....it's just requires a lot of practice and a metronome.
being able to play something that someone else composed is easy. Brainless practice with a metronome. You really don't have to think much at all...A lot of these old shred pieces I learned when I was younger I couldn't write down in sheet music or play slowly. If I just start playing at normal tempo my hands will just automatically start playing them because it's muscle memory and not anything I have to consciously think about.
Yeah, I guess most people who just pick up the guitar and dick around and aren't that serious about it may find it "impossible"...but for the serious players who actually devote a lot of time to it find that technical skill is like 30% of the battle....look at BB KING, one of the greatest guitarists of all time and he plays maybe 5 notes every 2 minutes.
@ manitou:
that della vega vid had its audio replaced. look for the audience filmed version, it shows that when he plays it sounds like a complete mess and he's playing maybe 1-2 notes out of every 4.
On November 15 2009 07:18 omg.deus wrote: speed doesn't really impress me that much...it's all muscle memory...i can shred just as fast as any of these guitarists but i'm not a great guitarist because improvising or creating music is infinitely harder than being able to do something really fast which only requires a lot of brainless practice.
i'd like to see you play at the speeds shawn lane, guthrie govan, or john mclaughlin do when they improvise ahahah
edit: in fact, i'd like to see you shred with even a quarter of the accuracy that michael angelo batio can, because your claim is total bullshit
you would completely eat your words if you saw me play the guitar...and you completely missed my point. My point is i'm NOT great at improvising or composing music which is why I'm not a great guitarist. I used to go to guitar camps when I was younger and there were tons of 14 year olds who could play the music of all the people you just mentioned...and I used to know 'speed lives' by michaelangelo by memory...it's not that hard...i learned at the end of my first year of guitar playing....it's just requires a lot of practice and a metronome.
being able to play something that someone else composed is easy. Brainless practice with a metronome. You really don't have to think much at all...A lot of these old shred pieces I learned when I was younger I couldn't write down in sheet music or play slowly. If I just start playing at normal tempo my hands will just automatically start playing them because it's muscle memory and not anything I have to consciously think about.
Yeah, I guess most people who just pick up the guitar and dick around and aren't that serious about it may find it "impossible"...but for the serious players who actually devote a lot of time to it find that technical skill is like 30% of the battle....look at BB KING, one of the greatest guitarists of all time and he plays maybe 5 notes every 2 minutes.
@ manitou:
that della vega vid had its audio replaced. look for the audience filmed version, it shows that when he plays it sounds like a complete mess and he's playing maybe 1-2 notes out of every 4.
Link please? I couldn't find said video.
notice how especially the last half of the video sounds like his guitar is farting. the official video with the replaced audio sounds like ass anyways, even at 170 bpm none of his notes are clearly defined.
there's a great post by willjay where he slows down the audio and video and shows that della vega only picks about 3 out of 4 notes, while just sliding around and fumbling the rest.
hmmm... scratch that, it appears guinness DOES have a world record for speed, but it's not della vega lol.
this is what real 20nps (which is what della vega claims to be playing) sounds like
at 2:38, he starts playing alternating groups of 6s and 9s (sextuplets and nontuplets), alternate picked and string skipping. its about 20.4 notes per second, you can check his own transcription in Power Licks (this is an instructional video), its example 54 on page 35.