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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_divinorum
Salvia divinorum (also known as Diviner's Sage,[2] ska María Pastora,[3] Seer's sage,[4] and by its genus name Salvia) is a psychoactive plant which can induce dissociative effects. By mass, salvinorin A is the most potent naturally-occurring psychoactive compound known.
At present Salvia divinorum remains legal in most countries.
Something I've been working on:
I tripped BAWLS.
My mind has been pondering and revisiting my trips 2 days ago; I have been trying to explain and record my experience in words, but so far, despite my humble proficiency in writing, I have failed miserably.
Once upon a time not so long ago on a Saturday afternoon, 2 friends and I bought 2 grams of Salvia 40x extract (very, very potent: it comes in leaves, 10x, 20x, 30x, and 40x) from a local smoke shop. We could barely contain our excitement on our way back home, having previously read/heard stories of its unworldly effects.
Fast forward 2 hours. We were sitting on friend A's (henceforth known as "Alex") bedroom floor, lying on the most comfortable body pillows, satisfied from the extra-large Meat Lover's pizza we had just consumed, sipping on Labatt Maximum Ice, with a 40" LCD in front of us playing SC2 beta, listening to “Smoke Some Weed” by Ice Cube, already ripped out of our minds from all kinds of substances of abuse.
Friend B (henceforth known as "Billy") grabbed the Salvia bag and water pipe, padded a bowl with cigarette filling/weed, and topped it off with the Salvia extract.
Camera in hand, I gave Alex the green light to smoke it up. Looking nervous but immensely eager, he picked up the torch lighter and filled his lungs - the effect was immediate. Grabbing the water pipe from his hands as he dropped it, I knew he was fucked beyond all recognition; he was gone from this world. Uncontrollable and hysterical laughter ensued; Alex laughed the most ridiculous and maniacal laughter which was inexplicably humorous, and we couldn’t help but join in with him. Next came the limb thrashing, it looked as if he was trying to climb something, and we lifted him up onto his bed. There, the slurred and completely incomprehensible speech came, where the only word we understood was “I”. The drug absorbed him for over 15 minutes, and finally, we could just tell that he was coming back though the confusion in his eyes. “What. The. FUCK,” exclaimed Alex as he stared at us with empty eyes, and that was the moment where we all started laughing again. The full effect of the drug took almost an hour to wear off, as during this time span Alex gradually responded to more and more visual/audio stimuli and eventually fully came back.
Naturally, having just witnessed the physical effects, we were very curious about the mental effects during his hallucination. When asked about it, he took the longest pause, and simply respond, “I can’t quantify what I’ve just gone through in words.” “Please make an effort?” Inquired Billy, and after another long pause, Alex replied, “I was a train, and also a boat.” “LOL what the fuck?” exclaimed Billy again while I was quite literally, ROFL’ing on the ground.
Maybe it was the potency of the extract, or perhaps the combination of all the things we were fucked up on was too much, because upon further inquiry Alex could explain no further into his trip. At this point, I won’t lie; I was afraid. But curiosity got the best of me, and I picked up the water pipe stuffed with a giant bowl of the herb. My hands shook slightly as I lit up, unusually aware alert as I pressed the torch lighter close to the bowl and inhaled a full breath. Billy must have packed too big of a bowl, because there was still quite a bit of Salvia left so I took another hit. Just like Alex, my mind was simply, ripped from my body before I even exhaled the second hit. Very vaguely, I recall Billy snatching the bong out of my hand and being dragged onto the bed, but that was as far as reality still gripped a hold.
The next part is the hardest; I’ve been sitting in front of my computer for almost an hour unsure of how to even begin. I felt like, no, I was my economics textbook, in which I had been using as a mousepad before my trip. It was so real that it was almost, surreal. I was been flipped through, I was the pages racing through air, I felt the wind brushing through my face, I sensed the heat from the fingers that was turning me, and it was as if I was dreaming while still awake, having a lucid dream except everything was completely tangible and more material than reality, as if I transformed and teleported to another world where all my senses of perception were heightened and amplified. The author of the Matrix Trilogy must have been tripping fucking llama testicles on Salvia, because only now do I fully understand how “reality” is no more than just electrical impulses interpreted by one’s brain. It was too much. I was simply unprepared and I awoke from my trip almost as abruptly as I dove into it. I opened my eyes and I remember seeing my friends’ faces, but I understood none of it as my cognition and perception was still quite severely FUBAR. I was hot, I felt I was going to BOIL, sweat was streaming down my body in torrents, and I closed my eyes again. As soon as the visual stimuli stopped, I lost connection with reality and began my second trip. Once again, I felt my mind leaving my body, as if I was a cell and I had just finished division, with one cell still earthbound while the new cell had left the real world behind. I shouldn’t say “leaving the real world behind”, because it certainly did not seem that way. On the contrary, it was as if I had been awakened from the dream that is reality, as if I was being reborn after the very long dream of the life before me.
I felt my body being completely annihilated by the drug. I felt myself descending, eventually making an impact with the soft ground below. I picked myself up and surveyed my environment, and what I saw was simply out of this world. Senses heightened and at peace with the world, I was in a meadow with blossoming flowers, with a crystal clear stream trickling past me, holding a HUGE (~ 20 meters?) bong in my hand, smoking it up with the Teletubbies. I reached into the stream, felt the texture of the water instantaneously crystalize, picked up a few crystals, and packed them into my bong. As I took hits from the bong, the blue Teletubby smiled at me and said to me in the voice of one of my ex- girlfriend, “That’s some good shit eh?” Then I flew. I can’t recall what I was, but I was something abiotic that flew. All I remember is myself racing through the air again, holding hands with my ex, and feeling nothing but pure euphoria .
The flight lasted forever in duration, but eventually, I felt my fuel tanks drain and I was losing altitude at an alarming rate, so I picked up my bong again, took a few more puffs with my ex, accelerated into the skies once more and finally shot through the clouds. There, I met the Japanese Anime character Doraemon, who gave me a gadget to solidify clouds. I sunk myself into the softest and most comfortable bed I had ever slept in on top of a Cirrus cloud with my ex in my arms, exactly how I felt a few years ago when we were still together. Unfortunately, good things never seem to last. After the episodes of making out, fellatio, and cunnilingus, things began to go horribly wrong. The overwhelming jubilation faded as I realized I didn’t have a condom, just as I didn’t have a condom a few years ago. As I punched myself in the uttermost regret, I heard a loud knock crashing down from above me. Looking through a peephole through the door, I relived my past. There he was, my ex’s dad, all 200 pounds of him, ready to burst in and completely obliterate my ass for doing what I was doing to his lovely daughter. Revisiting the sense of panic and despair I felt before, I did what my instinct drove me to do; I picked up my school bag and shoes from the floor, and threw myself into the nearby closet. Those 3 hours were the worst of my life, I remember, with extremely vivid detail, about how my ex lied to his dad about taking a shower, about how her dad just sat there in front of the TV for an eternity, about how he FINALLY got up to use the washroom, and ultimately about my escape. As the washroom door closed behind him, I sprinted for my life towards the backyard door, only to find myself incapable of opening it. As I pulled on the door with all my might, fear spread through my body like venom but thankfully, my ex was there for my salvation. She unlocked the door and it slide open smoothly. After gluing our lips together in both relief and gratitude, I ran, I ran faster than I had ever done so in my life and jumped the fence to freedom, oblivious even to the pain from the wires slicing through my back.
I opened my eyes again, confused, completely dazed, and closed them again for 2 additional trips, both of which I cannot recall in their entirety. Only fragments of details still linger in my mind; all I can remember are some other memories from my childhood and teenager years, being molested by my pet hamsters, going through a tunnel with Artyom from Metro 2033, and reciting Pi to hundreds of digits. What really fucked me up was the fact that I accurately recited Pi to over twenty digits immediately after my trip to my friends, having NEVER memorized pie to more than ten digits in the past.
Waterfall. That’s what everything appeared to be after the hallucinations finally stopped. I stared at the icons on my desktop on my 40” LCD, and they began to flow. They waved, twisted, and rippled through thin air, almost as a liquid earthquake where the epicenter was my body and the shockwaves rages through my extremities. The world was the Matrix, wholly unreal and unquestionably conquerable. I felt immeasurably confident, I felt like THE SHIT; I was the motherfucking Emperor of the entire fucking universe and all other concepts of existences combined. Everything appeared to be in perfect harmony with each other, and I saw the world through crystal-clear clarity and insight. My brain was JOLTED, it solved all problems of life and somehow I knew exactly how my life would unfold from that point onwards. I was… simply put, enlightened .
Mendelssohn Piano Trio No. 1, a magical rendition of it by arguably the three greatest musicians ( Heifetz, Rubinstein and Piatigorsky) of their respective instruments of modern time, performed itself in my mind. I isolated the melodies of each instrument, drowned myself in the harmonies and dynamic variations, and my brain, there’s no other description for it, ejaculated over and over again harder than ever before.
My trips lasted over 40 minutes, and I only fully came back after 2 hours. Even then, I still felt relatively detached to reality and unsure of who, or what I was.
$36.99 for a gram of 40x extract. Better let it blow you away before it’s criminalized.
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I'm glad you had a fun time tripping balls :3
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im pretty experienced with this stuff. 10 years ago when i was in highschool i met a guy on some forum who mailed an ounce to me for free.
i guied some buddies through a few trips and still remember a solo voyage i took.
i never tried the extract but im sure its the tits.
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i have seen people get straight RETARDED after ghosting a bong filled with salvia.
i wish i could tell of an experience that rivals yours but i never really liked how my body felt after smoking the stuff. it just felt like my body was a void that could never be satisfied and it was really uncomfortable. amazing that this stuff is still legal though
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Canada5565 Posts
Very entertaining, nice! It's rare I see a quality post about these kinds of experiences
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United States11637 Posts
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That sounds pretty awesome
But about reciting those pi digits, are you sure you were right or were you just blabbering numbers?
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I've had a few absolutely mind blowing insane experiences on Salvia. lol. Shit ain't a toy. glhf
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The teletubbies!
THE TELETUBBIES!
never heard anyone see teletubbies while they were tripping on salvia... lol what did they look like o.o
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Smoking a bong and watch the teletubbies, that would be a hilarious experience. Dont know anyone that has done salvia though and have never physically done any narcotics.
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On May 25 2010 14:42 Disregard wrote: Smoking a bong and watch the teletubbies, that would be a hilarious experience. Dont know anyone that has done salvia though and have never physically done any narcotics. Salvia isn't a narcotic... it's a psychadelic/dissociative, and one of the strongest. There is nothing wrong with changing ones state of mind.
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awesome haha. I'm thinking of trying it sometime, but I'm not sure when.
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I tried x1, x5, x10 x20 extract, didn't feel anything. I heard some people are like "immune" to salvia. But I also heard that x40 is pretty strong shit, and your experience sounds awesome, so I'll probably give a try
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On May 25 2010 13:46 SoManyDeadLings wrote: As I took hits from the bong, the blue Teletubby smiled at me and said to me in the voice of one of my ex- girlfriend
A Teletubby as your ex-girlfriend, and it was the blue one. I think there is some significance there.
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Salvia is on my to-do list. I should have done it when offered the chance.
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i feel really scared to try it, like i might do something retarded and hurt myself while on it
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On May 25 2010 16:54 TheAntZ wrote:i feel really scared to try it, like i might do something retarded and hurt myself while on it
Yes that's a legitimate worry, that's why you need to have a sober trip-sitter when you trip this hard.
On May 25 2010 14:09 il0seonpurpose wrote: That sounds pretty awesome
But about reciting those pi digits, are you sure you were right or were you just blabbering numbers?
I was reciting the correct digits according to Billy, who's majoring in Actuarial Science. Yah I know, I still haven't figured out the reason.
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On May 25 2010 17:01 SoManyDeadLings wrote: Yes that's a legitimate worry, that's why you need to have a sober trip-sitter when you trip this hard. It is important to have a sitter but even then it could be very unpleasant. I've heard people report that their high was amazing and positive, but it seems like there are just as many who have horrible trips. I've heard numerous people say that it was the worst experience of their life. I think it's an altogether risky thing to do, especially if you're going to use one of the higher potency extracts.
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On May 25 2010 18:17 Lefnui wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2010 17:01 SoManyDeadLings wrote: Yes that's a legitimate worry, that's why you need to have a sober trip-sitter when you trip this hard. It is important to have a sitter but even then it could be very unpleasant. I've heard people report that their high was amazing and positive, but it seems like there are just as many who have horrible trips. I've heard numerous people say that it was the worst experience of their life. I think it's an altogether risky thing to do, especially if you're going to use one of the higher potency extracts. Sitters aren't there to make your trip pleasant or unpleasant, they're there to make sure you don't break anything or hurt yourself.
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On May 25 2010 18:53 fishbowl wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2010 18:17 Lefnui wrote:On May 25 2010 17:01 SoManyDeadLings wrote: Yes that's a legitimate worry, that's why you need to have a sober trip-sitter when you trip this hard. It is important to have a sitter but even then it could be very unpleasant. I've heard people report that their high was amazing and positive, but it seems like there are just as many who have horrible trips. I've heard numerous people say that it was the worst experience of their life. I think it's an altogether risky thing to do, especially if you're going to use one of the higher potency extracts. Sitters aren't there to make your trip pleasant or unpleasant, they're there to make sure you don't break anything or hurt yourself. Of course that's what they are for. I never said anything to the contrary. I was merely pointing out that there are other dangers to be considered.
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Belgium9937 Posts
Nice read. Should post it up on erowid too.
On May 25 2010 13:46 SoManyDeadLings wrote: Those 3 hours were the worst of my life, I remember, with extremely vivid detail, about how my ex lied to his dad about taking a shower, about how her dad just sat there in front of the TV for an eternity, about how he FINALLY got up to use the washroom, and ultimately about my escape.
Subconcious mindslip?
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I was awed and scared of this blog entry. But I doubt that i would have the balls to try out such substance. :/
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On May 25 2010 15:09 endy wrote:I tried x1, x5, x10 x20 extract, didn't feel anything. I heard some people are like "immune" to salvia. But I also heard that x40 is pretty strong shit, and your experience sounds awesome, so I'll probably give a try
Learn how to smoke before you waste the precious ska pastora There's no such thing as people being "immune" to salvia.
As for the OP, nice you enjoyed your trip! I had pretty crazy ones too, involving super intelligent beings made of straws. Oh where they wise!
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Make sure you use a hot flame when smoking salvia. A butane torch ligther is ideal. (This is probably why you felt "immune")
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Those sound like some beautiful trips! Its interesting how different people's imaginations tell them stories. I basically got the same message as you from it through the cracked logic of being a table and a coloured wall with many divisions listening to humming things that called themselves badongadongs....the message that reality seems very very, random.
I don't see any reason why if memories were coming back to you as vivid as reality why they shouldn't be just as if they had actually happened? I mean i know that memories are not completely accurate but they are usually pretty close.
Also its sort of interesting for someone who believes in a subconscious to note how you called your girlfriend a guy a couple of times and also met her as the blue teletubbie...jus sayin
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^LOL BADONGANDONGS!
...guys i just realised something... we need to persuade day9 to smoke some of this so he can share his trips before his casts... oh man that would be awesome :|
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I can't even imagine the emotions of astonishment he would tell his stories with. Day 9 is the best dude on earth.
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if day9 even just had some weed, that would make the cast 100x more hilarious, and seeing as its already so fucking good, that would probably kill anyone who watched it with sheer awesomeness
alas, day9 will not do any drugs :c
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On May 25 2010 20:53 RaGe wrote:Nice read. Should post it up on erowid too. Show nested quote +On May 25 2010 13:46 SoManyDeadLings wrote: Those 3 hours were the worst of my life, I remember, with extremely vivid detail, about how my ex lied to his dad about taking a shower, about how her dad just sat there in front of the TV for an eternity, about how he FINALLY got up to use the washroom, and ultimately about my escape. Subconcious mindslip? That and the fact that he imagined the blue Teletubby as his ex-girlfriend.
Gay suspicion building...
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On May 26 2010 00:56 TheAntZ wrote: if day9 even just had some weed, that would make the cast 100x more hilarious, and seeing as its already so fucking good, that would probably kill anyone who watched it with sheer awesomeness
alas, day9 will not do any drugs :c
Wat I don't believe it. Day[9] looks so high for all of his casts. I just assumed he kept a bong right off camera or something.
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It is easy to reproduce this kind of phenomena without any use of plant, drugs or anything else. If you just start meditating or learning to lucid dream you'll have these experiences. Obviously you need to make an effort in order to obtain something.
I am awestruck by how many dismiss these experiences as nothing more than imagination. Until you experience them for yourself you're a believer or a disbeliever. The impact of the experience is so profound that you are and feel enlightened. I'm sure that if you were somehow stuck in a dream (like in a coma) you wouldn't be able to tell the difference from the real world. In dream time you can experience the same response as in physical world - you can smell, touch, breath, hear and see as well. Then how can you tell the difference?
You judge the experience only because when you're here you relate you're experience with the physical one. If you're in dream time try to relate you're experience from the physical within the dream. Obviously it is much more difficult because you will be able to do this once you become conscious in dreaming.
Just like if you wanted to reach B rank on iccup you need to train a lot that's why if you want to become an active participant in this awesome experience aforementioned you need to train. Open minded skepticism is key element here. Skepticism alone will drag you down. Be open minded and you'll see a whole new world opening before your eyes.
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On May 26 2010 22:56 Angel[BTL] wrote: Then how can you tell the difference? Easy, you apply logic. You ask yourself "Was I high during that period of time? Was I asleep? Did I go way too long without eating?"
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that was a long ass trip... i would like sometime in my life to try it but im not that calm to do it now...
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On May 27 2010 05:18 Lefnui wrote:Easy, you apply logic. You ask yourself "Was I high during that period of time? Was I asleep? Did I go way too long without eating?"
Yes but it goes back to what I said about judging the experience only when you are here in the physical. Try to ask yourself these questions in your dream and see what you come up with. And that's is if you can have enough lucidity to ask yourself these questions.
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hey sir its not salvia, u just acquired brain cancer
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On May 27 2010 19:21 Angel[BTL] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 05:18 Lefnui wrote:On May 26 2010 22:56 Angel[BTL] wrote: Then how can you tell the difference? Easy, you apply logic. You ask yourself "Was I high during that period of time? Was I asleep? Did I go way too long without eating?" Yes but it goes back to what I said about judging the experience only when you are here in the physical. Try to ask yourself these questions in your dream and see what you come up with. And that's is if you can have enough lucidity to ask yourself these questions.
When you're tripping on Salvia (enough to cause hallucinations, not just altered perceptions), you won't be self-aware at all. It honestly hits you like a train and puts you out for a good half hour or so, I'm just amazed that the memories are somehow preserved when you become lucid.
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On May 27 2010 21:28 SoManyDeadLings wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 19:21 Angel[BTL] wrote:On May 27 2010 05:18 Lefnui wrote:On May 26 2010 22:56 Angel[BTL] wrote: Then how can you tell the difference? Easy, you apply logic. You ask yourself "Was I high during that period of time? Was I asleep? Did I go way too long without eating?" Yes but it goes back to what I said about judging the experience only when you are here in the physical. Try to ask yourself these questions in your dream and see what you come up with. And that's is if you can have enough lucidity to ask yourself these questions. When you're tripping on Salvia (enough to cause hallucinations, not just altered perceptions), you won't be self-aware at all. It honestly hits you like a train and puts you out for a good half hour or so, I'm just amazed that the memories are somehow preserved when you become lucid.
Yes because the impact of salvia is like extracting your teeth without anesthetic . It slams you in the face with the greater reality. You don't have much control. But I was saying the above in the context of learning to meditate or lucid dream in a slow process which is a lot different than what you've experienced. You can stop at any time if you feel frightened which is not the case when you're taking these kind of hallucinogenic plants. In your case the experience is so powerful that your mind can still remember a great part of what happened.
That's why the shaman was needed in older times. He was there to prepare the ones who were taking plants to know beforehand some things about what was about to be experienced. It was a process and not all we're ready to take the test. The shaman had the knowledge and discernment to see if the student was able to handle the experience. Nowadays we don't have someone to tell us what to do .
I would recommend you to read Terrence Mckenna who experimented with different hallucinogenic plants. Also you can take a look at the research on DMT.
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Thank you so much for sharing. I enjoyed every word, especially when the Teletubbies came into play. So did you have sex with the Teletubby in your ex-girlfriend's voice, or did the Teletubby turn into her? If the former, what are the mechanics of Teletubby sex?
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Camera in hand? Where are the pics/vids?
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On May 27 2010 22:39 Angel[BTL] wrote: It slams you in the face with the greater reality. It's not reality, much less a "greater reality". They are merely thoughts caused by you being extremely high. I agree that there are truths that can be realized when you are under the influence of various drugs. However, certain people such as yourself speak of these experiences as if they're real, or they exist in another "dimension". There's no evidence that anything you experience there actually exists. And if you want to experience the same things that shamans do then you shouldn't take a 40x extract which is terribly unnatural.
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On May 28 2010 19:20 Lefnui wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 22:39 Angel[BTL] wrote: It slams you in the face with the greater reality. It's not reality, much less a "greater reality". They are merely thoughts caused by you being extremely high. I agree that there are truths that can be realized when you are under the influence of various drugs. However, certain people such as yourself speak of these experiences as if they're real, or they exist in another "dimension". There's no evidence that anything you experience there actually exists. And if you want to experience the same things that shamans do then you shouldn't take a 40x extract which is terribly unnatural.
I was pointing out that meditation has also the same kind of experiences like using drugs. In this case the argument that you're really high doesn't stand. Until you experience for yourself you are speaking through belief. That's why open minded skepticism should be your approach. When you've gone through by experiencing it you'll have a different view and then you can state your opinion.
In the end it doesn't matter if the experience is real according to physical laws (which for me is a biased point of view that can only hinder you in the long run) but what you can actually learn from it. For people who don't think or believe that the experiences are real there's only one way to find out and that is to actually die. I'm sure that in the front of the evidence at the time of your death there is no other way but to go forward and say : Oh ! I was wrong . From your point of view it is just speculation and it is not based on common scientific approved knowledge. And that's ok too . You can only learn at your own pace. Time will tell.
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On May 28 2010 03:21 CharlieMurphy wrote: Camera in hand? Where are the pics/vids?
Safely on my hard drive away from the harshness of the interwebs, especially TL ^_^
On May 28 2010 19:20 Lefnui wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 22:39 Angel[BTL] wrote: It slams you in the face with the greater reality. It's not reality, much less a "greater reality". They are merely thoughts caused by you being extremely high. I agree that there are truths that can be realized when you are under the influence of various drugs. However, certain people such as yourself speak of these experiences as if they're real, or they exist in another "dimension". There's no evidence that anything you experience there actually exists. And if you want to experience the same things that shamans do then you shouldn't take a 40x extract which is terribly unnatural.
Higher potency extracts are merely there to facilitate the absorption process, equaling less harmful smoke inhaled into your lungs in the end.
The damage from smoking dried leaves is incomparably greater than smoking extracts, although I do agree 40x extract is probably too potent to be used on a regular basis.
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On May 28 2010 19:49 Angel[BTL] wrote:
I was pointing out that meditation has also the same kind of experiences like using drugs. In this case the argument that you're really high doesn't stand.
Of course my argument doesn't answer meditation, because I obviously wasn't responding to that. I was clearly speaking about the high that salvia offers. 'Same kind of experiences'? Be careful, you're conflating things which aren't comparable at all. I guarantee no one has ever had an experience from meditation which even vaguely resembles the high from an intense hallucinogenic like salvia. And even if they did, there's no evidence to suggest it.
Until you experience for yourself you are speaking through belief. That's why open minded skepticism should be your approach.
I have experienced vivid hallucinations from various drugs. The difference is that I have the logic to understand that my experiences didn't actually occur, they were delusions. A detached, scientific and logical approach would do you well.
When someone falsely describes their own approach as 'open-mindedness' my response is always the same: "Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out".
When you've gone through by experiencing it you'll have a different view and then you can state your opinion.
That's nonsense, I can rightfully state my opinion regardless. I can't speak to what the high is like because I haven't taken salvia. But if someone like yourself is illogical enough to claim that their experiences were part of "a greater reality" then I can easily refute them. A subjective experience with absolutely no evidence does not support other dimensions or some hidden reality. You may as well take someones word for it when they say that they've been to Hell and came back.
In the end it doesn't matter if the experience is real according to physical laws (which for me is a biased point of view that can only hinder you in the long run)
Physical laws are a biased point of view? You have me laughing now. What does that even mean?
For people who don't think or believe that the experiences are real there's only one way to find out and that is to actually die. I'm sure that in the front of the evidence at the time of your death there is no other way but to go forward and say : Oh ! I was wrong
Again, complete and utter nonsense. Why would your experiences on salvia be confirmed by death? That makes no sense at all. And what if there's nothing after you die? Then obviously you couldn't be proven right or wrong about anything, including religion. You don't need to wait until you die, I have the answer for your already: you're wrong.
From your point of view it is just speculation and it is not based on common scientific approved knowledge. And that's ok too . You can only learn at your own pace. Time will tell.
Being condescended to by an idiot, I love it.
It is not speculation to be at the default position. You're the one speculating, making the assumption that there's another dimension or plane of reality simply because you got high. 'Scientific approved knowledge' couldn't be less relevant to this case. How could any scientific knowledge exist regarding something which is as subjective and abstract as a person's hallucinations? The only way in which science is relevant is this: You should look at these matters in a scientific way. That is to say don't believe nonsense without a scrap of evidence. I don't think you'll ever learn, not even at a snail's pace. But only time will tell.
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Take what you need and learn from it. I'm not going to argue with you.
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You were already arguing with me, then I refuted every ridiculous point you made. Then after that you're finished? What a coincidence.
If you can't respond to what I said, then just read it and learn from it. I'm done with you.
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I am not going to respond because you will stay with your opinions and me with mine so there is no point in continuing other than arguing for the sake of arguing. People who want more information on these subjects will look further and make an idea for themselves. Everybody uses discernment according to their personal experience.
There is no more need for a flame war on the subject of who knows better and who is smarter or any other ego debating discussions.
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On May 28 2010 21:00 Angel[BTL] wrote: There is no more need for a flame war on the subject of who knows better and who is smarter or any other ego debating discussions. Arguing does not amount to a "flame war" or "ego debating". You were the first one to insult, so if anyone is trying to make it those things then it's you. And you were fine with arguing before.
It's simple: you have no reply to anything I said. You spouted a bunch of baseless nonsense that you can't back up. If you dislike arguments then you shouldn't do that because it usually provokes a response.
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On May 28 2010 21:11 Lefnui wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 21:00 Angel[BTL] wrote: There is no more need for a flame war on the subject of who knows better and who is smarter or any other ego debating discussions. Arguing does not amount to a "flame war" or "ego debating". You were the first one to insult, so if anyone is trying to make it those things then it's you. And you were fine with arguing before. It's simple: you have no reply to anything I said. You spouted a bunch of baseless nonsense that you can't back up. If you dislike arguments then you shouldn't do that because it usually provokes a response.
Show me the quote in which I insulted you.
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Salvias ok.
Try Acid. And to angel saying 'just meditate'. Sorry, but thats not how hallucinogens work, no amount of meditation would make you see or think the way you do on acid etc.
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On May 28 2010 21:27 Angel[BTL] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 21:11 Lefnui wrote:On May 28 2010 21:00 Angel[BTL] wrote: There is no more need for a flame war on the subject of who knows better and who is smarter or any other ego debating discussions. Arguing does not amount to a "flame war" or "ego debating". You were the first one to insult, so if anyone is trying to make it those things then it's you. And you were fine with arguing before. It's simple: you have no reply to anything I said. You spouted a bunch of baseless nonsense that you can't back up. If you dislike arguments then you shouldn't do that because it usually provokes a response. Show me the quote in which I insulted you. If you're going to continue to argue, as you falsely claimed you wouldn't do, then actually respond to what I said. I contradicted every single thing you stated earlier.
Here are the insults:
I'm sure that in the front of the evidence at the time of your death there is no other way but to go forward and say : Oh ! I was wrong
And that's ok too . You can only learn at your own pace. Time will tell.
I shouldn't even have to explain why those comments are extremely condescending.
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First off I have to say no amount of meditation can ever come close to the effects of salvia - also salvia as far as hallucinations go are on a whole different level then LSD/shrooms. LSD in general you may get some colors and such but there is no completely long vivd hallucinations. For those who are au natural taking acid is the equivalent to a chemical version of Shroomz(talkin like 6g+). Oh and as for "the trip being reality" .. no - thats like saying our dreams are just us in another world in astral form dun dun dun. For my entertaining story?
I decided one night it would be intelligent to high heat a huge bowl of salvia (it was only x20 but you can't completely go by that number since that just is how much times the original strength it was, so the stronger the base the better the extract from what I understand). So I take this huge hit off the water bong and hand off the bong as I fall back into my bed(keep in mind when I feel back it just felt like my head fell straight back and my body stayed where it was), what happens next can only be described as time itsself stopping - the whole room appeared to motion blur then come to a halt and I heard something similar to a train engine - I can't quite remember how I shifted to this next part of my trip but I went from being in my room to seeing my room passing by frame by frame in the center of my vision - also there were bald blue people wearing black clothes who were working along to make sure everything went smooth and putting the frames together. Me naturally being nice decided to offer my help - as I was trying to help I was moving along the frames then in the room was a big clear bubble that appeared to be my room when I was young. I saw the person who I was doing up the salvia with(never trip alone!) playing what appeared to be an old SNES. He started telling me that someone was coming and I had to come back in, so I was half in - half out of this bubble trying to get back in my room and it felt like my body was split between the feelings oddly enough I was still talking to the blue people on the non reality side of the bubble. I slowly started coming back to and looked up above me (I was on a bunk bed) and inbetween the white railings the matress started cycling downwards fast but when it stopped instead of the flowers it was the blue peoples head again(I started offering to work for them lol) as I came back they stopped talking to me - I can't really recall the speech this was a year or two ago now but its something I wont forget the general idea of cause my mind was blown for like the next couple days. The funny part though was the sound of my laugh apparently it was a mix between something with 0 intelligence and gasping for breath at the same time is the best way to describe it.
I hope thats not too hard to read..its hard to put an experience that has so many feelings and imagery into words without missing parts especially given its been a while since then.
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On May 28 2010 23:51 Lefnui wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 21:27 Angel[BTL] wrote:On May 28 2010 21:11 Lefnui wrote:On May 28 2010 21:00 Angel[BTL] wrote: There is no more need for a flame war on the subject of who knows better and who is smarter or any other ego debating discussions. Arguing does not amount to a "flame war" or "ego debating". You were the first one to insult, so if anyone is trying to make it those things then it's you. And you were fine with arguing before. It's simple: you have no reply to anything I said. You spouted a bunch of baseless nonsense that you can't back up. If you dislike arguments then you shouldn't do that because it usually provokes a response. Show me the quote in which I insulted you. If you're going to continue to argue, as you falsely claimed you wouldn't do, then actually respond to what I said. I contradicted every single thing you stated earlier. Here are the insults: Show nested quote +I'm sure that in the front of the evidence at the time of your death there is no other way but to go forward and say : Oh ! I was wrong I shouldn't even have to explain why those comments are extremely condescending.
I apologize if I have offended you. That was not my intention. I will choose my words better next time.
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I love blogs like this because of the description of the words! I especially like:
+ Show Spoiler +"The author of the Matrix Trilogy must have been tripping fucking llama testicles on Salvia"...
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