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So my online dating adventure is over (for now) and I thought I'd share some of my experiences with TL. I originally started it for two reasons,
1) My dad was like "TRY IT!" and I was pretty adamantly opposed to it, because of the same stigma a lot of people have towards online dating... so I wanted to see if it would actually work
2) Kennigit's blog about it helped get me to the "ok fuck it I'll give it a shot" level.
This may or may not be a long blog post, split off into sections...
A: The girls There is a sort of well accepted belief that all the girls that use online dating are ugly. I know a RL friend of mine who I told said that, and I even thought that as well. This isn't true - there ARE pretty girls to be found online. However, this does have a bit of a caveat. I believe that it is highly dependent on location, let me explain.
I've searched for people in the three different areas I've lived over the past year (Los Angeles, San Diego, Washington DC)... and seen a bunch of different results depending on location. For example, overall, the girls I found from LA were a lot better on average, than San Diego and D.C. (there were hardly any people in the DC area on there, and I never found anyone I thought was worth messaging). I know Kennigit said there were tons of girls to be found, I had a somewhat different view - if I was doing a search for example, I'd go through 20 pages (each page is 10-15 people, sorted by when they were last online), and maybe find 10-15 who were pretty, and maybe 3-4 I would actually send a message to.
Here are some classifications I came up with (you can compare to Kennigit's)
1) Really hot girls who clearly are there just to grow their E-Peen 2) Pretty girls with personalities I'm not a fan of (I.E. profiles that say, I love drinking and clubbing all the time) 3) Pretty girls with personalities I liked (I guess, people who are artsy fartsy and shit like that... I'd usually message these people) 4) Girls who didn't look bad, but had personalities I didn't like 5) Girls who didn't look bad but had personalities I liked 6) Unattractive girls
I'd get a lot of messages from 6's, 5's, and sometimes 3's. I usually sent messages to 3's, and sometimes 2's (they mostly didn't respond to me, or the conversations didn't go anywhere). I totally stayed away from 1's and 6's. (Hopefully that made sense)
Side note: I also stayed away from anyone under 20 years old, and from time to time, I got messages from older women (28-30s)... which I thought was pretty creepy so I ignored them.
B: My mentality I feel I should also mention my mentality, to make the previous section make a little more sense. I'm not a person who really likes dating all the time and going out with lots of girls, not really my thing. I'm more the type of person who likes to be in more serious relationships. So that's why I generally messaged people I thought were really pretty, and why I didn't actually meet many people, but I shall get into that later!
My whole goal of online dating was either: a) to find a relationship (so far, didn't work), or b) find one really cool person who I enjoy hanging out with and talking to (mission accomplished).
Because I accomplished one of my goals, I didn't feel to bad about closing my account (more to come on this in a bit).
C: Dates! I met 4 people, and had several other conversations with people in which I ended up not meeting... I'll explain a bit.
1) The first girl I met was insanely pretty, almost model status. She was also pretty artsy fartsy, which is why I think she talked to me in the first place. (I think I might have written a blog about this in September?) Anyways, the problem was, as I found out, she had a big drawback... and that was that she was really rich and spoiled. Our first date ended up in us going to a fancy restauraunt and me paying about $130 for dinner.
I basically told her that I couldn't afford that kind of lifestyle, and that was that.
2) The next person I started talking to while I was in D.C. (she was in LA). I talked to her for 1-2 months while I was there, more and more. First it was messaging, then we started texting, then talking on the phone. I had some pictures of her, I thought everything was cool. BUT, I committed a cardinal sin, and didn't get her facebook or anything like that.
You may be able to guess how this goes. I get back to LA, and end up meeting her. UGLY. I was like "whoa those 3 pictures I saw of you were fucking deceptive as shit" ... and ya, that was that. Ok, I didn't actually say that, but we just went out to eat at In-n-out and I also found that she was pretty boring to talk to in person, so ya.
3) This is the person that I'm still friends with and is very cool. She's really pretty, and I've been on 4 dates with her now, pretty cool.
4) Pretty average, kinda nerdy.. not much to say here.
So I've experienced I think most of the possibilities. I've gone out with a "out-of-my-league" pretty girl, an ugly girl, a pretty girl, and an average looking one. I've made a lot of mistakes in terms of messaging people, but finally came up with a sort of formula that almost guarantees a first response and led to me meeting the 3rd and 4th person (basically I just came up with a really funny and embarrassing personal story... people seemed to like that).
There are also a handful of people who I talked to, exchanged facebooks, phone numbers, talked some more, but mutually ended up not meeting.
I think your goals and mindset play an important role in online dating. For example, I know I was looking for something more serious, so I probably limited my options quite a bit. So make sure you're clear with what you want when you're going into it (if you want to try online dating)
D: Thoughts on People and What I learned Two parts: 1) I sort of went through a kind of evolution in the ~10 months I tried this. At first, I was jumping the gun really quickly and probably turning a lot of people off, I'd send these really detailed first messages, and really lame followups (in the beginning I barely got responses from anyone). My first date went alright, although I revealed I think a bit too much about myself in a way that I think you shouldn't on a first date (for some reason, I let the conversation dwell a lot on childhood, which is bad for me because I had a really bad childhood and I think it's probably a bad idea to reveal that kinda stuff on a first date). By the third date though I had figured out a messaging "formula" that worked effectively and I'd developed a lot more confidence in just meeting people and being myself.
**Side note: Online dating actually helped me a LOT in that it sort of taught me how to be more outgoing and such. I'm a naturally introverted person, and over the past 2-3 years I've been slowly trying to be more outgoing, sociable, etc. This online dating thing really helped in that respect. You're basically thrust in a social situation with an almost complete stranger (who is hopefully attractive). In these situations, you learn pretty fast what works and what doesn't, what things you should and shouldn't do, etc. In that way, I'd rate my online dating experience as highly successful because it helped me grow as a person.
2) The next thing I learned is about other people. While I did meet a really cool person, I think that the whole anonymity of the internet creates some inherent problems.
For example: a girl messages me, says basically "you seem really cool, I think we have a lot in common" ... we exchange a few messages, and then add on facebook. We talk on facebook for about 15 minutes and then she has to go. A few days later I see her online so I say hi, and she says "I just want to be upfront, I don't think you're my type, etc etc," fine.
That would never really happen in real life though. Think about it. If you meet a person in real life, say at a coffee shop or something, unless you're acting like a sleazeball or a douchebag, nobody is going to tell you after 15 minutes of conversation "hey this isn't gonna work out." The anonymity of the internet creates this sort of falsehood, in that the amount of time, or the ability you have to convey yourself is drastically limited.
Think about real life interactions. If you meet somebody, attraction isn't (in most cases) immediately felt. First you get to know the person, become friends, feelings grow, you act on them... that sort of process takes awhile. Online, it essentially takes places instantaneously in a sense. (Think about the immediacy of information available on the internet). It doesn't matter that maybe you (or me, in this example) would be a good fit for the person, because they can read some info about you, and make value judgments based on limited information - it's almost like a coin flip in some cases.
Example 2: You see some profile of a girl who's very pretty, seems interesting, etc. You send a nice thoughtful message. No response. GG no re!
Again, think about a real life comparison. If you see a girl and go up to talk to her, as long as you do it in a polite and friendly manner (assuming she's single, not doing anything, etc) - no half-decent person would flat out ignore someone like that. But again, the internet changes the game. A person who you might have had a chance with in real life, you may have NO chance with on the internet.
E: What else... So I decided to stop online dating for now, mostly because I think that over the past month I was spending too much time thinking about it. I still have this problem (trying to work on it), where I obsess about stuff. For example, I was talking with this girl (who basically seemed perfect , really pretty, interesting, etc) on there. We exchanged messages for a few weeks, she seemed into me, everything was goin nice. She went on vacation for two weeks at the start of summer, so I was like "okay after she gets back, we'll meet and it's gonna be awesome!" Pretty much every sign pointed to that being the case.
So I waited, and after two weeks had passed (when I thought she probably would be back) - I sent another message saying basically "hope you had fun on your trip bla bla." That night I saw that she was online, I saw that she read my message, was like "oh.. finally!" Waited awhile, then I saw.... "user deleted her account." Boom! GG no Re to me!
I didn't necessarily feel rejected, I was sad for a little bit. Mostly though, I thought, "wow.... that was incredibly rude of her." Everything she said was like "ya you seem super cool lets meet up when I get back" to all of a sudden deleting her account and not bothering to say something like "hey, not interested" or anything. I thought that was really rude - nobody would really do that in real life.
Then I said, why I am worrying about crap like this? I can't let some random person I've never met bug me like that. So, I decided I'm going to go out in the world and try to meet somebody the normal way (maybe) and give online dating a rest (for now, maybe I'll try again at some point in the next few months)... all in all I think my experience was a success, I learned about myself and met one person that I have actually built a solid friendship with. So despite the fact that I didn't find EXACTLY what I wanted (a girlfriend), I did get a lot out of it!
So that's my story with online dating.
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Well out of 4 people you met, you actually met a girl that you find very cool and really pretty, and had already 4 dates with her. I think this is quite a positive result.
Otherwise, great post lol.
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whoa that was some intense stuff! thanks for the heads up seriously! and good luck with finding your soul mate ^^
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So this #3, is anything happening there? You're still friends but are you gonna keep dating her or something?
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Well, just friends and such - but I suppose you never know what could happen. She says shes not looking for a relationship right now, but in a few months who knows.
I mean I had Kennigit's blog largely in mind throughout the whole process of this sort of "experiment," my overall conclusion is that online dating is a good thing regardless of what your goals are. I think there's something for everyone, in a sense.
Enough people have found "the one" online, I learned a lot, if you want to date, it's good for that too, etc. So ya, I'd recommend it to anyone.
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well gj with the one that your still hanging out with ^___^ gl with the future man and that was a good read
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Kennigit
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Can i analyze your fuck ups to provide some insight?
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On July 02 2010 16:50 Kennigit wrote: Can i analyze your fuck ups to provide some insight?
please do
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On July 02 2010 16:50 Kennigit wrote: Can i analyze your fuck ups to provide some insight?
lawl do it...then people could LEARN FROM THIS :O!!!!
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Kennigit
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So first of all, i think its phenomenal that you kept it up for that long and even more impressive is the success you've had so far - so many guys quit because they don't have any results, so props.
The biggest lesson to be learned from online dating (and any dating tbh) is the idea of scarcity. If you are an exceptional juxtaposition to every other guy messaging and dating these girls, and show that you are in high demand, girls will fly to you and reply to your messages with much higher frequency. I smiled when i read your last story about seeming to "click" with a girl and then having it go sour for almost no reason.
If you were an exceptional juxtaposition who is going out with different girls all the time, would you really be remembering that some girl you've never talked to is coming back in 2 weeks, and then messaging her bang on time? hehehe....thats exactly what went through her head and you went from hero to zero in about 3 seconds. In fact, i've realized that sometimes it's better to treat these (hot/smart) girls like long term investments. I've had girls where we hit it off, stop talking to each other and end up picking it back up again 3 months later and go out. I had one girl where we were supposed to go out, it didn't happen, and rather than chase her like a chode, i left it and we ended up going out a full year later. She asked me why it took so long, i told her its because i'm too busy and meet too many people to chase girls ive never even seen. Then she fell in love with me and we played SC2 on bnet (sorry, dream).
If i was sitting beside you when this happened, i would have said "stop". Then she would have deleted her account and you would say "wtf kennigit i should have messaged her", then i would say, "it doesn't matter because you are Xeris and theres 500 other girls who want you right now". Then we 2-3 testimonials from these random dates, maybe that girl makes her account again (they always do), and you message her later and go out. As is, the deal is broken (which is fine, learning experience etc).
When writing messages, editing my profile, or doing anything with dating i always ask myself "does this demonstrate that i am a man who is exceptional, and in high demand from a lot of women". If it doesn't, i don't do it. When you do that over and over, it becomes part of your personality with women even if you think "yeah yea, im quiet nerd, thats not who i am". You're ancestors fucked for 100,000 years and survived, it's in your blood.
So yes, props. If you go back to it, try to evolve even more and you will see dramatic results.
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Awesome blog. And what you said when you saw only 3 pictures of a girl and she turned out to be UGLY...that's so true. I don't know in 2010 why online dating sites don't implement some kind of small video introduction feature. That would help a lot when you decide oh she's attractive AND the way she talks and stuff is pretty nice. But w/e nice post.
Can anyone link Kennigit's post that OP mentioned?
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Kennigit
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I galleried my blog. I'm going to write another one at some point in the future.
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sorry buddy but if you didn't get laid after going on dates with 4 different girls then it wasn't really a success was it
i mean who cares if she has a crap personality , at least shag her first before ditching her aside?
User was temp banned for this post.
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Nice blog. Personally, I believe in those sites capability to get good people matched. Why? Tim. Tim is my step dad, who mom met on a dating website. To put it simply, basically everyone liked him a lot and they got married last month, and it's been great having him around
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On July 02 2010 16:22 Xeris wrote: Side note: I also stayed away from anyone under 20 years old, and from time to time, I got messages from older women (28-30s)... which I thought was pretty creepy so I ignored them.
That doesn't sound so creepy. You gotta open your mind maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannn
Also I don't think you have to leave people alone for 3 months and that just magically makes them like you. It's the fact that staying away from them for 3 months gets you out of the habit of waiting to see them online, trying to think of what to say, how to proceed at this step, and that step, and the next step...
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Any thoughts on meeting people through these online websites with respect to NOT dating? I just moved to a new area and I'm looking to meet new people. I'm not totally against the idea of dating, but meeting new interesting people has always been my starting point. I find that the best way to date is just to know/meet a lot of people. The law of statistics is on your side.
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Kennigit
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On July 02 2010 17:33 gchan wrote: Any thoughts on meeting people through these online websites with respect to NOT dating? I just moved to a new area and I'm looking to meet new people. I'm not totally against the idea of dating, but meeting new interesting people has always been my starting point. I find that the best way to date is just to know/meet a lot of people. The law of statistics is on your side. Yup just use plentyoffish or something, a lot of ppl on that site are just new to town and looking to meet ppl etc.
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Well good for you are trying online dating then
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Zurich15241 Posts
Most dating websites aren't elite enough for me.
I don't really understand the reason why you stopped. Wouldn't over obsessing easier to overcome online than in real life?
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I tried before, but I got rejected on first try. And I never try again.
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This was a great read, and thanks a lot for the advice Kennigit (it was very helpful reading what you said, especially about the long term investments).
A quick question for Xeris - Would you say there's a decent amount of people ranging from ages say... 20-25? I know next to nothing about dating sites, and you said it also depends a bit on location...
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On July 02 2010 17:15 valaki wrote: I don't know in 2010 why online dating sites don't implement some kind of small video introduction feature. I've not online dated, but it would be awesome to have a voice sample to go on, whether or not you get a video.
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I've been advised by a couple of people (older than me) to stay away from the free dating sites... but I'm not using the paid ones either so I'm not worrying about it.
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has your online dating experience made you any more susceptible to my homosexual advances??? I need to know soon
On July 02 2010 20:13 Severedevil wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2010 17:15 valaki wrote: I don't know in 2010 why online dating sites don't implement some kind of small video introduction feature. I've not online dated, but it would be awesome to have a voice sample to go on, whether or not you get a video. probably bandwidth
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Hm, the stuff you list as negatives aren't that bad IMO.
IRL, people will sometimes be nice just so that you don't judge them, when they don't really want to talk to you. Internet saves you time in this regard, and all you need to do is realize that some people simply won't like you. If you accept that, you're might actually end up appreciating the whole 'cut to the chase' thing.
Tho you're right when you say that in some cases you will get blown off on the internet while you would've had the chance in public.
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If Xeris' post was insightful, then Kennigit's post was enlightening. They were both quite enjoyable reads. Online dating always seemed a bit overrated to me but most of the stuff to regular dating as well. Anyways, good stuff guys.
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I used online dating sites a while back and ended up meeting quite a few girls, eventually finding my current girlfriend of almost 4 years. I'm not an expert but here are a few tips/etc.
It's got a lot to do with luck, but you can influence your chances and your response frequency with your profile and, maybe more importantly, your messages. Keep your profile to the point and don't give away too much about yourself, you want to keep an air of mystery.
What I did was I set goals for myself. My first goal was to create an initial message that would make the girl respond. It took about a month I think, but eventually I stumbled on a formula that worked and I got pretty regular responses even from model-type girls. No point in reproducing it here since you need it to be in sync with your personality, but what I found works well is humor (obvious enough). So I would ask them if they're really a hairy dude impresonating a girl or if they're tired of Italians offering them a luxurious life for being their secret mistress (common in Romania).
Next phase was to chat on IM with any of them that wanted to and create a funny routine and funny, interesting responses to the most commom questions. So for example they would all ask at some point "so.. what is it you do?". To which I would say "I'll give you a hint - it's something lots of people are afraid of". Her: "Are you a cop?" Me: "What have you got to fear from cops? Maybe I should stay away from people like you..." She doesn't really want to know what you actually do. If you just straight out answer her questions you a missing on oportunities to HAVE FUN, and isn't that the point of trying to meet new people anyway?
Ok so once I developed that routine I went to the next step, getting their phone number as soon as possible and doing the same routine, only this time on the phone. Lots of girls will give out their number even if they have boyfriends and even if you are a total stranger, AS LONG AS YOU DON'T BEG. Just joke around if she sais no and ask again, even more laid back than before! "Oh, so you ARE a man and you don't want me to hear your voice... wow, what a complete waste of time talking to you was.. "
It's true that acting like you talk to hundreds of girls makes you more attractive and the best way to do that is to ACTUALLY talk to hundreds of girls. I think I chatted with 2-300 in less than a year - that's when you won't remember whatever random details some hot girl told you and you end up asking her "were you the one with the chihuahua or the crazy grandmother?" - and hot girls aren't used to guys not remembering them, which is why they will remember you!
Eventually I realised that the more you chat with a girl, the less likely it is that she will give her number and the less likely it is that you will hit it off when you meet. Go through the phases - but unless you have a goal to practice, do not stagnate! Throw in a couple of jokes, tell her you're busy and you have to leave, ask for her number. When you get her number tell her you'll call sometime and then don't call for a few days at least - just keep her on her toes, don't be like every other guy.
Eventually I met a girl that could actually carry an intelligent conversation for more than 2 sentences AND she was cute! And we're still together, which goes to show good things can come from these sites. Depending on your level you might want to jump over the practicing routines bit, it's something I needed for myself at the time. The point is practice makes perfect but always have a goal!
This post was meant to be more structured but I ended up rambling a bit.. please ask stuff if you think I can help or are interested in details.
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Wow, props to you OP. Now I kinda wish I let my girlfriend try out online dating before I asked her out [I was insecure, so I jumped the gun a little], 'cuz it sounds like you learned a lot about yourself and other people.
Everything she said was like "ya you seem super cool lets meet up when I get back" to all of a sudden deleting her account and not bothering to say something like "hey, not interested" or anything. I thought that was really rude - nobody would really do that in real life.
Heh, not true. I bumped into a high school acquiantance through my job, and I asked her for lunch three times but she kept blowing me off, even though she was really good about answering my emails?? It was pretty lame considering how both she and I had significant others -- I just wanted to catch up, wth lol. In fact, I feel like majority of girls would rather not tell you straight up, and just be all avoiding you instead, hoping you "get the hint".
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For the last 6 years up until only 3 weeks ago I use to be in sales and consulting, as a natural results of dealing with people on a day to day basis I have developed a lot of confidence. I don't have any issues selling myself over the phone or in person once the opportunity is there.
I'd always flirt with girls over the phone, mostly innocently. It was amazing the number of people I met through a friendly email like "Thanks for all your help/Thanks for your enquiry, you stay awesome!" which would lead into a friendly phone call days or weeks down the track, at which point my phone slut skills typically kicked in. Even in a professional phone call, I almost never start talking about work straight away, I always chit chat and talk about random stuff, I try not to take life too seriously anymore. After the second/third phone call I'd bring up a stupid subject which would involve me having to show them a photo and be like "oh, I have it on my Facebook, I'll send you the link later". I would have usually mentioned a short funny story involving one of my trips which I'd pick a random goofy photo to link. 80-90% of the time if I have had enough interaction with the person they'd add me to comment, which would cement familiarity opening the path to asking them out for a drink or mutual gathering.
I mentioned the above because I have a question. I got to speak to these girls because it was a part of my job to, so the avenue was already set, I didn't have to go looking for them. There are a lot of people working in a lot of industries, and depending on the department I am talking to, anywhere between 10-50% could be female and my age. I believe I could transfer those skills. but I never like giving the impression of "I'd like to meet you/get to know you". And that seems to be automatically implied in online dating. For the same reason I don't like clubs and bars and prefer meeting people through friends of friends at parties etc, because in my head I am there to hang out with my friends, meeting new people is just a result not the goal. How can I avoid that implication which seems to develops a negative needy loop in my head and stunts my confidence?
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On July 02 2010 18:10 Jugan wrote: This was a great read, and thanks a lot for the advice Kennigit (it was very helpful reading what you said, especially about the long term investments).
A quick question for Xeris - Would you say there's a decent amount of people ranging from ages say... 20-25? I know next to nothing about dating sites, and you said it also depends a bit on location...
TONS (in general) ... although as I said, in Washington D.C. for example, there were hardly any people who had accounts, maybe that's changed though but I was only checking it out at the end of 2009.
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On July 02 2010 17:04 Kennigit wrote: Big wall of Kennigit text
Yea that was definitely helpful, and I agree. I think I still have a long way to go, and I probably will pursue it again in the future, I'm just looking for a break so I can change my mentality a little bit so I don't get too wrapped up in stuff (I.E. getting bummed out when someone I pegged as "awesome" gg's me) .
On July 02 2010 17:43 zatic wrote: Most dating websites aren't elite enough for me.
I don't really understand the reason why you stopped. Wouldn't over obsessing easier to overcome online than in real life?
Well, I just think that obsessing over some online thing is just a bad idea in general, it makes more sense to obsess about someone I've already met and think is great and start liking rather than become obsessed with an online picture and a profile. I'm not saying that the second kind of obsessing is good, but it's more understandable... so I'm taking a breather, I guess.
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On July 03 2010 00:01 Energies wrote: I mentioned the above because I have a question. I got to speak to these girls because it was a part of my job to, so the avenue was already set, I didn't have to go looking for them. There are a lot of people working in a lot of industries, and depending on the department I am talking to, anywhere between 10-50% could be female and my age. I believe I could transfer those skills. but I never like giving the impression of "I'd like to meet you/get to know you". And that seems to be automatically implied in online dating. For the same reason I don't like clubs and bars and prefer meeting people through friends of friends at parties etc, because in my head I am there to hang out with my friends, meeting new people is just a result not the goal. How can I avoid that implication which seems to develops a negative needy loop in my head and stunts my confidence?
I may not be the best person for this kind of advice - but honestly what I do when there's something about myself I want to work on, especially social things like this... I just go for it and see what happens. I'll give an example... so I'm generally introverted. I moved out to D.C, obviously didn't know anybody. I was working in a think tank, and we had a sort of 'intern area' where the 6-7 interns sat. The first few days I didn't talk to anyone, the other interns had been there for awhile and knew each other already, etc. So one day I just sat in this other girl's seat (she hadn't arrived at work yet) to provoke conversation. It could have ended badly with her getting insulted, etc... but it ended up getting us talking, and from then on I was really sociable with everyone there.
Similarly, with online dating, I think my first date I was really nervous and it didn't go as well as it could have because of my own nerves. I asked myself later "what was the point of being so nervous," and on subsequent dates I just kept telling myself to be myself. I didn't pump myself up beforehand, I just went in super casually and was myself. And my subsequent dates went a lot better.
So I guess I'd say, just force yourself to do something uncomfortable, it generally works for me. And even if it doesn't work, at least you had the courage to give it a try. It's really a win/win.
**EDIT**
Another reason I'm taking a break from that site is because I feel like I've exhausted the pool of girls there, like I've seen everyone's profile already, messaged everyone worth messaging, etc. Also, question for Kennigit: if you send someone a message once, and she doesn't reply, is it a good idea to send another message at some point down the line (someone I had messaged a few months ago, and she replied, but didn't reply a second time... would it have been smart to message her again like "hey, I'm giving this another shot" or something?)
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lol, maybe you can use the spider picture trick. Draw a cactus or a turtle or something and send it with your message. And sign off with "here is a picture of a turtle I drew".
If you get no response after a while send another message asking for your turtle back.
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I was reading this blog (didn't read the whole lot), but I think the fault is in dating sites. I saw an opinion saying "that sort of sites are not elite enough for me" and that's a completely spot-on opinion IMHO. Fact is, a lot of people have interenet. Fact is, there are a lot of people from that lot of people that are using online dating sites. But none of these sites actually test you out before they let you in. A simple IQ test would made a world of difference ! Yes, you can probably cheat those, but if you want a date, you're 101 times better off by being HONEST.
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On July 02 2010 20:51 d3_crescentia wrote: has your online dating experience made you any more susceptible to my homosexual advances??? I need to know soon
LOL WAT PETER. so creepy man.
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lol wow I totally missed that post from Peter. ya, you've already tried it and... I dunno, maybe we'll see next time I'm over in DC O_O!
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