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I have start hating these unpausers on ladder. Someone calls me or is knocking on door and I ask that they could wait small time. Then they resume instantly and start insult, when they win due that :/
Like this guy:
+ Show Spoiler +He is about to attack with his 4gate, when someone calls me and I ask him wait. I try to pause, but he resumes immediatelly. Then i go speak phone and he has already managed to get up my ramp. Then he starts insult me and I go hide Nexus in frustration... after game he send me message: StriKeR: n00b StriKeR has reconnected. StriKeR: before asking for favours, u have to be mannered yourself FIRST wiser this time, I'm not gonna reply anything
Have anyone else encountered some annoying unpausers on ladder too? I would like to practise in ladder, not get my points higher :<
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Happened to me while this guy was 2gate proxying me. I was winning the zealot micro battle, when someone calls me. Needless to say, the cheeser unpaused when i said "sec please, phone". Tried to micro with 1 hand, but i lost -.-
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Well I usually wait 30s-1minute, but only if the opponent asks politely and says the reason. Otherwise I'm not obliged to accept anyone's "wait for me I need to poo or sth" requests.
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well in bw if i had to pause the game real quick in a heated game on iccup and i found that the opponent had unpaused to his advantage lets just say i had my ways of getting even :o
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Setup your phone for voicemail
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If someone asks nicely I'll keep it paused for a while, depending on how I feel. If they just pause though, and don't say anything I usually ask wtf is up and if they don't reply in like 10 seconds, I unpause.
Can't really help it though.
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It happens all the time its kind of annoying, but I can understand where they are coming from.
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the word is immature* also the person playing you has no obligation to sit on a paused game. sure its a little bit more manner to, but why start a game of starcraft 2 if you're going to be interupted. Let the phone go to voicemail, put your closed headphones on and deal with stuff after the game, thats the way i do it anyway
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I know that this may seem like a small thing to you. So forgive me in advance if it is trivial and you didn't want to hear it, yet I have to tell you. It's spelt > .......... Immature ..........<
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bnet is full of immature *insert insult here*. It's always been like this, and it always will be. Just gotta deal with it bro :/
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This happened yesterday where just after the worker split I paused to get the door, and when I come back the game's resumed and I find ive banked up 200 minerals.
So pissed off and panicked I attempt to cannon his main (PvP steppes) which fails. He types "you lose" to which I am even more pissed off.
So I cannon my ramp shouting profanities at him while taking a secret expansion at his third, he goes 3 gate robo and camps outside my base with a big gateway/immortal army and says "gg". i force field and cannon turtle good and proper and start squeezing out colossi off 2 robotics. Eventually I rush out with my 8 colossi and crush his army to which he replies "you have gold?" to which I reply "FUCK YOU"
it felt good
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In my experience, people use the Pause button for griefing a lot more frequently than they use it legitimately. If you pause the game, I immediately respond with "?", and you had better type in the reason for the pause within 5 seconds or I'm unpausing it. Even if it's just a bridge like "sec" to precede the reason, just type in something so I know you're not just being a jerk. If it's a legitimate reason I'll wait about a minute or so.
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On February 08 2011 01:03 Kiante wrote:the word is immature* also the person playing you has no obligation to sit on a paused game. sure its a little bit more manner to, but why start a game of starcraft 2 if you're going to be interupted. Let the phone go to voicemail, put your closed headphones on and deal with stuff after the game, thats the way i do it anyway ah, sorry my english is little off I just don't understand why opponent would resume... Doesn't make any sense. You just end the game without any real profit from it, to earn some ladder points, which will be anyway evened out in time... and of course always type reason, if want pause.
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On February 08 2011 01:12 Excalibur_Z wrote: In my experience, people use the Pause button for griefing a lot more frequently than they use it legitimately. If you pause the game, I immediately respond with "?", and you had better type in the reason for the pause within 5 seconds or I'm unpausing it. Even if it's just a bridge like "sec" to precede the reason, just type in something so I know you're not just being a jerk. If it's a legitimate reason I'll wait about a minute or so.
This exactly. I get BM paused way more then I get BM unpaused.
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On February 08 2011 00:55 LastWish wrote: Well I usually wait 30s-1minute, but only if the opponent asks politely and says the reason. Otherwise I'm not obliged to accept anyone's "wait for me I need to poo or sth" requests.
But its a little more mannered if you do. If some1 pauses they have a reason for pausing. I don't understand how some1 could use the feature as a way of grieving...aren't they just ruining their own experience too? The only time I unpause instantly is when I'm clearly about to win, in which case yes they're doing it to be annoying. If its like the beginning of a game its pretty bm to unpause for some1. Just screams "desperate for ladder wins" to me, pretty pathetic.
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I've had someone pausing randomly without saying anything on ladder. Because I understand that sometimes there are emergencies, I wait for him patiently. About 5 mins later, he comes back and unpauses without saying anything.
Terrible manners.
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On February 08 2011 01:18 SubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2011 00:55 LastWish wrote: Well I usually wait 30s-1minute, but only if the opponent asks politely and says the reason. Otherwise I'm not obliged to accept anyone's "wait for me I need to poo or sth" requests.
But its a little more mannered if you do. If some1 pauses they have a reason for pausing. I don't understand how some1 could use the feature as a way of grieving...aren't they just ruining their own experience too? The only time I unpause instantly is when I'm clearly about to win, in which case yes they're doing it to be annoying. If its like the beginning of a game its pretty bm to unpause for some1. Just screams "desperate for ladder wins" to me, pretty pathetic.
Its not bm because guess what? My schedule may not work with yours, guess you shouldn't of pressed the "find game" button....it's also not my fault for someone "inconveniencing" you by coming to the door or calling your phone or anything. You pressed "find game", deal with the consequences.
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I've always been of the opinion that there should be a timer on how long before the OTHER player, (non-pausing one) can resume the game. Just 45 secs or something.
Never happened to me, but I'd rage pretty hard, and probably demand a re-game xD
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On February 08 2011 01:12 Excalibur_Z wrote: In my experience, people use the Pause button for griefing a lot more frequently than they use it legitimately. If you pause the game, I immediately respond with "?", and you had better type in the reason for the pause within 5 seconds or I'm unpausing it. Even if it's just a bridge like "sec" to precede the reason, just type in something so I know you're not just being a jerk. If it's a legitimate reason I'll wait about a minute or so.
Yeah, I'm the same way. Also if you take longer than 90 seconds, I say "I'm gonna unpause now" and then unpause. We all have lives and stuff to do, but StarCraft is a fast-paced game. If something more important is happening, it'll probably be okay if you lose twelve ladder points.
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On February 08 2011 01:12 Excalibur_Z wrote: In my experience, people use the Pause button for griefing a lot more frequently than they use it legitimately. If you pause the game, I immediately respond with "?", and you had better type in the reason for the pause within 5 seconds or I'm unpausing it. Even if it's just a bridge like "sec" to precede the reason, just type in something so I know you're not just being a jerk. If it's a legitimate reason I'll wait about a minute or so.
I second this, i myself hate when someone pause the game without apologizing and giving reason which is legitimate. However i hate when someone ring at the door so i go, sec doorbell and the opponent unpauses immediately. Or i want to answer phone if it is important just to say i call later or manage the thing really quickly.
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I hate it when people pause. Especially if it's a phone call. That's what voice mail is for or caller ID so you can call them back. When someone knocks on my door I just leave and come back hoping I'm not too far behind.
If someone gives a good reason for pausing though I'll wait. But if someone goes brb need to help parents with groceries, I'm not going to sit around. Usually they'll unpause out of no where also and expect me to be ready conveniently for them.
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As long as its under a minute then i will wait. I don't know why people get pissed when they pause, and when they're back they say "ready?" and i just unpause. Cause that means they're ready...
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On February 08 2011 01:08 FireBlast! wrote: This happened yesterday where just after the worker split I paused to get the door, and when I come back the game's resumed and I find ive banked up 200 minerals.
So pissed off and panicked I attempt to cannon his main (PvP steppes) which fails. He types "you lose" to which I am even more pissed off.
So I cannon my ramp shouting profanities at him while taking a secret expansion at his third, he goes 3 gate robo and camps outside my base with a big gateway/immortal army and says "gg". i force field and cannon turtle good and proper and start squeezing out colossi off 2 robotics. Eventually I rush out with my 8 colossi and crush his army to which he replies "you have gold?" to which I reply "FUCK YOU"
it felt good
lol soo good do you have the replay? :D
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On February 08 2011 01:18 SubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2011 00:55 LastWish wrote: Well I usually wait 30s-1minute, but only if the opponent asks politely and says the reason. Otherwise I'm not obliged to accept anyone's "wait for me I need to poo or sth" requests.
But its a little more mannered if you do. If some1 pauses they have a reason for pausing. I don't understand how some1 could use the feature as a way of grieving...aren't they just ruining their own experience too? The only time I unpause instantly is when I'm clearly about to win, in which case yes they're doing it to be annoying. If its like the beginning of a game its pretty bm to unpause for some1. Just screams "desperate for ladder wins" to me, pretty pathetic.
actually I've had someone use pause specifically to mess up my micro.
I was zerg vs a toss and he moved into position with a large stalker/void/sentry/colossus army.
As I was setting my units and getting a flank ready, he a-moves and immediately pauses it. I say '?' and wait for him to unpause, but he doesn't respond. After a few seconds I go to unpause, but while the menu is up, he unpauses! I quickly try to escape the menu and micro my units but I had already lost a lot of corruptor. Then, he does it again! I lost the battle, and then the game.
This was pre-patch, pausing/unpausing works differently now (no menu, just a button press).
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as long as an explanation is given and they dont just leave it for 10 minutes then im good
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Yeah my ideal scenario would be something like A: sec please. Washroom A pauses the game B: ok (1 min later) A: sorry back. Ready? B: gogo A resumes the game.
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On February 08 2011 01:08 FireBlast! wrote: This happened yesterday where just after the worker split I paused to get the door, and when I come back the game's resumed and I find ive banked up 200 minerals.
So pissed off and panicked I attempt to cannon his main (PvP steppes) which fails. He types "you lose" to which I am even more pissed off.
So I cannon my ramp shouting profanities at him while taking a secret expansion at his third, he goes 3 gate robo and camps outside my base with a big gateway/immortal army and says "gg". i force field and cannon turtle good and proper and start squeezing out colossi off 2 robotics. Eventually I rush out with my 8 colossi and crush his army to which he replies "you have gold?" to which I reply "FUCK YOU"
it felt good
Can I have the replay? One of the most hilarious stories i've heard
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On topic, I think you should leave the game and not pause for 1-2 minutes if the game started relatively recently.
If you want to pause in the middle of a game I will agree to waiting a minute or two at most before I will either leave the game or unpause depending on how I feel about it.
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you can't call anyone immature for unpausing. Actually you are the one ruining their game by pausing.
I let people pause and pause myself rarely. I totally understand that they may lose their warmed up fingerspeed or they might forget their game plans during pause. so dont be a bm and call unpausers bm.
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On February 08 2011 01:21 Kimaker wrote: I've always been of the opinion that there should be a timer on how long before the OTHER player, (non-pausing one) can resume the game. Just 45 secs or something.
I've seen this idea suggested several times, and it really boggles me. Have you never played against those people who pause the game then leave so that the score screen doesn't come up for you (patched now I believe) or the terrans who lift off and float to a corner just to waste your time? Imagine that but with all races. I think you get 3 pauses, so with that rule, any sore loser can waste 2:15 minutes of your time every game. Do you really want to allow that?
Regarding the pause/unpause issue, I agree with Kiante and Excalibur. I'll be manner and give you a chance to tell me why it's paused. However, I'm completely fine with people who unpause immediately since they have no obligation to wait for you.
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On February 08 2011 01:12 Excalibur_Z wrote: In my experience, people use the Pause button for griefing a lot more frequently than they use it legitimately. If you pause the game, I immediately respond with "?", and you had better type in the reason for the pause within 5 seconds or I'm unpausing it. Even if it's just a bridge like "sec" to precede the reason, just type in something so I know you're not just being a jerk. If it's a legitimate reason I'll wait about a minute or so.
That's how i do it, if someone pauses and doesn't state a reason why he pauses then i'm gonna unpause that shit right away. Tons of people abuse the Pause-button, it have happened that people pause in critical moments like when i'm harassing their mineral line or in battles to buy themselves time to react.
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Braavos36362 Posts
I think for ladder games it's entirely fair for the other player to unpause immediately without any consequences. Sure, it's a jerk thing to do, and I certainly wouldn't look favorably on someone who does this. But it's within their rights, and many people forget that it's the pauser asking for a favor. The pausing player simply has to make a determination, whether it's worth it to play the game or do the other task. If the phone call is important, quit the game and answer it. If you need to answer the door, quit the game, answer the door, and restart another. If the points and win matter that much to you just ignore the door or the phone. By pausing you are forcing someone else to wait at your convenience, this is a privilege not a right.
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Never understood why the Pause feature allowed your opponent to Unpause most bullshit system ever. Should have just added a timer like 3mins before the other player can Unpause.
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On February 08 2011 02:10 Nyxs wrote: Never understood why the Pause feature allowed your opponent to Unpause most bullshit system ever. Should have just added a timer like 3mins before the other player can Unpause. So your opponent can force you to wait 9 minutes arbitrarily? That's ridiculous. Pausing when you don't know the other player shouldn't be a default right. Your opponent should have to agree, and I think it's fine they can unpause.
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Change the number and it's less "ridiculous". I find it pretty retarded you can't even sum up the respect to wait 3 minutes while your opponent pauzes. Lost all respect for you Hot_Bid.
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All games would be 3 minutes longer then...
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On February 08 2011 02:23 Nyxs wrote: Change the number and it's less "ridiculous". I find it pretty retarded you can't even sum up the respect to wait 3 minutes while your opponent pauzes. Lost all respect for you Hot_Bid. lol okay
If you read what I said, I didn't say that I personally wouldn't do it. Of course I would wait. I said I understand when someone would not want to wait even 30 seconds for me to run my errand. I even said it would be a jerk thing to do.
If someone who understands a viewpoint that they don't agree with makes you lose respect for someone, you must have no respect for just about any intelligent person. Because most people who are open minded can personally disagree with something but still understand it.
By pausing you are asking for a favor. You are saying "my time is more important than yours at this moment" and while that might be true, they are still within their rights to refuse the favor. If what you have to do for 3 minutes is so important, quit the game. I don't see why someone should be forced to wait for your errand.
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On February 08 2011 02:10 Nyxs wrote: Never understood why the Pause feature allowed your opponent to Unpause most bullshit system ever. Should have just added a timer like 3mins before the other player can Unpause.
Haha. Yeah, that would be a perfect solution for the "problem".
Don't like your opponent for some reason? Feel like trolling while laddering? Butthurt because you lost a game? No problem! The built-in "annoy-your-opponent-to-no-end" feature enables you to force to him wait for 9 minutes until the game can be continued.
The Pause feature is absolutely fine as it is, as Hot_Bid explained quite nicely.
And if you absolutely have to go afk during a game where you believe that your opponent will unpause and don't want to quit for some reason, just don't pause. Go afk without saying anything and return as quickly as possible, so that your opponent doesn't know that you're gone. If you tell him, he will surely attack straight away...
On February 08 2011 02:23 Nyxs wrote: Change the number and it's less "ridiculous". I find it pretty retarded you can't even sum up the respect to wait 3 minutes while your opponent pauzes. Lost all respect for you Hot_Bid.
I find it pretty retarded you can't even sum up the respect to not make your opponent wait 3 minutes, just because you can't organize your time well enough to play a game without pausing.
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On February 08 2011 01:12 Excalibur_Z wrote: In my experience, people use the Pause button for griefing a lot more frequently than they use it legitimately. If you pause the game, I immediately respond with "?", and you had better type in the reason for the pause within 5 seconds or I'm unpausing it. Even if it's just a bridge like "sec" to precede the reason, just type in something so I know you're not just being a jerk. If it's a legitimate reason I'll wait about a minute or so.
Pretty much my feelings here tell me a reason i'll give you 1-3 minutues as long as its not during some stupid time like an engagement or during harass (lol). Even if they don't let you just ignore the door its not as important as SC2 anyways.
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I think it is good as it is now. People would abuse some kind of timer so much. Anyways, I think everybody should be able to wait, if another person has to go toilet/open door/answer phone (if important call then leave game). Also I would wait ~minute, if opponent didn't said anything about pause. Sometimes opponent's keyboard battery might have just ended so they can't type anything =/
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On February 08 2011 02:09 Hot_Bid wrote: I think for ladder games it's entirely fair for the other player to unpause immediately without any consequences. Sure, it's a jerk thing to do, and I certainly wouldn't look favorably on someone who does this. But it's within their rights, and many people forget that it's the pauser asking for a favor. The pausing player simply has to make a determination, whether it's worth it to play the game or do the other task. If the phone call is important, quit the game and answer it. If you need to answer the door, quit the game, answer the door, and restart another. If the points and win matter that much to you just ignore the door or the phone. By pausing you are forcing someone else to wait at your convenience, this is a privilege not a right.
My thoughts exactly. Especially for a phone call... wait until after you moron.
On February 08 2011 01:12 Excalibur_Z wrote: In my experience, people use the Pause button for griefing a lot more frequently than they use it legitimately. If you pause the game, I immediately respond with "?", and you had better type in the reason for the pause within 5 seconds or I'm unpausing it. Even if it's just a bridge like "sec" to precede the reason, just type in something so I know you're not just being a jerk. If it's a legitimate reason I'll wait about a minute or so.
These are the most annoying people. I give people the benefit of the doubt usually for 30 sec or so and that's about it unless I hear a good reason
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I always say pp before I even press pause. People always wait for me if I state the reason why (usually phone). Even up to five minutes was never a problem, as long as I said '5 min'.
I myself also demand a reason before I wait for someone. This is all BW though. I guess it's a pretty mature community
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Just report them and ask for your points.
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i think it's very bad manner to even ask for a pause.
the only times i have had to go do something else i've left the game (this is like 3 times only?)
i only have like 1 hour blocks max to spend playing BW, so the max i wait is 3 minutes. don't know how you guys have so much time to wait around on other people.
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Earlier today I had the case of someone pausing the game as soon as it started. I asked him why he had it paused and he didn't respond. I gave him 10 seconds, counting down in chat, to say something about why it was paused before I unpaused. He didn't so I unpaused. He repaused and we went through the same situation. Afterwards he called me an asshole so I asked him why he paused. He said he had to feed his dog. tl;dr IF YOU HAVE RESPONSIBILITIES LINED UP DON'T START A FUCKING SC2 GAME THEN RAGE.
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I'm really tired of people pausing games, even for legitimate reasons. I only have a short amount of time to play everyday, and I don't want to wait around for some guy to answer to the door to chat-up the Jehovah's witnesses or whomever is knocking at their door. It's rude and inconsiderate to be expecting someone to come to your house and play a game of StarCraft and expect the other person to patiently wait. The same goes for the phone, but you can easily hold the phone between your shoulder and head while you play Starcraft and talk.
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If they don't give me a good reason, I countdown from 30 seconds until I unpause the game
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Yeah, if you pause without giving a reason I'm going to unpause in 5 seconds. I've never unpaused when someone gave me a good reason though, but they never took longer than a minute or two, so I didn't really mind.
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nobody is forced to accept a pause, the pauser needs to hope and ask for a pause, if the opponent doesn't want it's your problem.
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On February 08 2011 03:39 Relickey wrote: I'm really tired of people pausing games, even for legitimate reasons. I only have a short amount of time to play everyday, and I don't want to wait around for some guy to answer to the door to chat-up the Jehovah's witnesses or whomever is knocking at their door. It's rude and inconsiderate to be expecting someone to come to your house and play a game of StarCraft and expect the other person to patiently wait. The same goes for the phone, but you can easily hold the phone between your shoulder and head while you play Starcraft and talk.
Yes let me predict when someone will show up to my house so I don't have to play sc!
Anyway, it happened to me yesterday, I said pp, and pause, he does the old '?', by that time I'm out of my seat, assuming he'll allow 30 seconds or so, but he unpauses, I come back and actually end up winning, so I just had to be a little bm .
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On February 08 2011 03:04 ToFu. wrote: i think it's very bad manner to even ask for a pause.
oh brother.
What is the person supposed to do? Let their dog go to the bathroom on their carpet instead of you just waiting for 20 secs so they can let the dog outside?
Is it so hard to just wait at most 2 minutes, is that such a big chunk out of everyones life?
On February 08 2011 03:45 r3d33m3r wrote: nobody is forced to accept a pause, the pauser needs to hope and ask for a pause, if the opponent doesn't want it's your problem.
True but its like saying you aren't forced to help a dying man on the street.
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Was playing a 3v3 with 2 of my friends, one of my friends had somebody at the door and went AFK for like 3 minutes, this was at the VERY beginning of the game (Like they knocked when we were loading) we paused and asked if it was ok, they just kept unpausing the game. So we killed them basically 2v3. I hope they watch that replay and realize how badly they just got owned.
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Am I the only one who things it's weird you can pause it, yet there is no minimum time? A pause should be able to last at least 30 seconds before they can force unpause it (or perhaps one cumulative minute for all your pauses).
Personally I'm patient with any pause up to about a minute. After that, unless they gave me a good reason and I'm in a very good mood, I give them about a 20 second warning, and then unpause. If you need to stop the game for more than 70 or 80 seconds, you should probably just quit.
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On February 08 2011 01:21 Trowabarton756 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2011 01:18 SubtleArt wrote:On February 08 2011 00:55 LastWish wrote: Well I usually wait 30s-1minute, but only if the opponent asks politely and says the reason. Otherwise I'm not obliged to accept anyone's "wait for me I need to poo or sth" requests.
But its a little more mannered if you do. If some1 pauses they have a reason for pausing. I don't understand how some1 could use the feature as a way of grieving...aren't they just ruining their own experience too? The only time I unpause instantly is when I'm clearly about to win, in which case yes they're doing it to be annoying. If its like the beginning of a game its pretty bm to unpause for some1. Just screams "desperate for ladder wins" to me, pretty pathetic. Its not bm because guess what? My schedule may not work with yours, guess you shouldn't of pressed the "find game" button....it's also not my fault for someone "inconveniencing" you by coming to the door or calling your phone or anything. You pressed "find game", deal with the consequences.
You're telling me your schedule allows you to play a ladder game but at the same time it's too busy for you to wait 30 seconds for someone to answer a phone call? Sorry but you're full of shit.
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On February 08 2011 04:13 SubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2011 01:21 Trowabarton756 wrote:On February 08 2011 01:18 SubtleArt wrote:On February 08 2011 00:55 LastWish wrote: Well I usually wait 30s-1minute, but only if the opponent asks politely and says the reason. Otherwise I'm not obliged to accept anyone's "wait for me I need to poo or sth" requests.
But its a little more mannered if you do. If some1 pauses they have a reason for pausing. I don't understand how some1 could use the feature as a way of grieving...aren't they just ruining their own experience too? The only time I unpause instantly is when I'm clearly about to win, in which case yes they're doing it to be annoying. If its like the beginning of a game its pretty bm to unpause for some1. Just screams "desperate for ladder wins" to me, pretty pathetic. Its not bm because guess what? My schedule may not work with yours, guess you shouldn't of pressed the "find game" button....it's also not my fault for someone "inconveniencing" you by coming to the door or calling your phone or anything. You pressed "find game", deal with the consequences. You're telling me your schedule allows you to play a ladder game but at the same time it's too busy for you to wait 30 seconds for someone to answer a phone call? Sorry but you're full of shit.
Why should you assume that your opponent should have to wait for you, when you could just as easily let it go to voicemail?
better yet, let's compare this to sports, since everyone likes to go there with analogies and what not. Pick up 3 on 3 basketball game, your opponent wants you to stop for three minutes so he can take his daily phone call from his girlfriend. And you're supposed to be a jerkoff if you say fuck off and do it later?
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On February 08 2011 02:09 Hot_Bid wrote: I think for ladder games it's entirely fair for the other player to unpause immediately without any consequences. Sure, it's a jerk thing to do, and I certainly wouldn't look favorably on someone who does this. But it's within their rights, and many people forget that it's the pauser asking for a favor. The pausing player simply has to make a determination, whether it's worth it to play the game or do the other task. If the phone call is important, quit the game and answer it. If you need to answer the door, quit the game, answer the door, and restart another. If the points and win matter that much to you just ignore the door or the phone. By pausing you are forcing someone else to wait at your convenience, this is a privilege not a right.
Wow, I agree SO MUCH with that. I even get pissed of when some of my teamates (which i'm even talking to in Teamspeak) pause the game. I mean, some people don't have much time to play, and then, when they go to play their 3~4 matches of the day, someone pauses the game and stays 3 minutes out. Even with a good reason, I still think it is unfair.
That's why I personally never pause the game (unless it's something VERY minor, that won't take more than 10 seconds, but even that is pretty rare). I don't unpause when people pause the game because I try to mannered, but it's not I like it very much either.
If I have a reason to pause, I just leave the game. Who fuckin' cares about ladder points anyway?
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On February 08 2011 04:20 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2011 04:13 SubtleArt wrote:On February 08 2011 01:21 Trowabarton756 wrote:On February 08 2011 01:18 SubtleArt wrote:On February 08 2011 00:55 LastWish wrote: Well I usually wait 30s-1minute, but only if the opponent asks politely and says the reason. Otherwise I'm not obliged to accept anyone's "wait for me I need to poo or sth" requests.
But its a little more mannered if you do. If some1 pauses they have a reason for pausing. I don't understand how some1 could use the feature as a way of grieving...aren't they just ruining their own experience too? The only time I unpause instantly is when I'm clearly about to win, in which case yes they're doing it to be annoying. If its like the beginning of a game its pretty bm to unpause for some1. Just screams "desperate for ladder wins" to me, pretty pathetic. Its not bm because guess what? My schedule may not work with yours, guess you shouldn't of pressed the "find game" button....it's also not my fault for someone "inconveniencing" you by coming to the door or calling your phone or anything. You pressed "find game", deal with the consequences. You're telling me your schedule allows you to play a ladder game but at the same time it's too busy for you to wait 30 seconds for someone to answer a phone call? Sorry but you're full of shit. Why should you assume that your opponent should have to wait for you, when you could just as easily let it go to voicemail? better yet, let's compare this to sports, since everyone likes to go there with analogies and what not. Pick up 3 on 3 basketball game, your opponent wants you to stop for three minutes so he can take his daily phone call from his girlfriend. And you're supposed to be a jerkoff if you say fuck off and do it later?
You're offering a stupid example. Of course I'm not gonna wait for 3 minutes, but when I'm playing a casual game of basketball with friends and someone needs to tie his shoes yes, I'll wait 30 seconds for him to do so. No one is obligated to wait for some1 to pause but it's just a little nicer if you do. I mean really, its not even a minute. Its pretty arrogant to assume that much time will actually matter to you. You're playing a game that averages like 15 minutes anyway, what the extra 30 seconds worth. Absolutely no sacrifice on your part, while your opponent basically auto losses because you can't be bothered. Like I said you're not under any obligation to wait but it would make the world a little nicer and everyones gaming experience just a little better if you weren't a complete douche just cause you're allowed to be.
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On February 08 2011 04:41 SubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2011 04:20 Hawk wrote:On February 08 2011 04:13 SubtleArt wrote:On February 08 2011 01:21 Trowabarton756 wrote:On February 08 2011 01:18 SubtleArt wrote:On February 08 2011 00:55 LastWish wrote: Well I usually wait 30s-1minute, but only if the opponent asks politely and says the reason. Otherwise I'm not obliged to accept anyone's "wait for me I need to poo or sth" requests.
But its a little more mannered if you do. If some1 pauses they have a reason for pausing. I don't understand how some1 could use the feature as a way of grieving...aren't they just ruining their own experience too? The only time I unpause instantly is when I'm clearly about to win, in which case yes they're doing it to be annoying. If its like the beginning of a game its pretty bm to unpause for some1. Just screams "desperate for ladder wins" to me, pretty pathetic. Its not bm because guess what? My schedule may not work with yours, guess you shouldn't of pressed the "find game" button....it's also not my fault for someone "inconveniencing" you by coming to the door or calling your phone or anything. You pressed "find game", deal with the consequences. You're telling me your schedule allows you to play a ladder game but at the same time it's too busy for you to wait 30 seconds for someone to answer a phone call? Sorry but you're full of shit. Why should you assume that your opponent should have to wait for you, when you could just as easily let it go to voicemail? better yet, let's compare this to sports, since everyone likes to go there with analogies and what not. Pick up 3 on 3 basketball game, your opponent wants you to stop for three minutes so he can take his daily phone call from his girlfriend. And you're supposed to be a jerkoff if you say fuck off and do it later? You're offering a stupid example. Of course I'm not gonna wait for 3 minutes, but when I'm playing a casual game of basketball with friends and someone needs to tie his shoes yes, I'll wait 30 seconds for him to do so. No one is obligated to wait for some1 to pause but it's just a little nicer if you do. I mean really, its not even a minute. Its pretty arrogant to assume that much time will actually matter to you. You're playing a game that averages like 15 minutes anyway, what the extra 30 seconds worth. Absolutely no sacrifice on your part, while your opponent basically auto losses because you can't be bothered. Like I said you're not under any obligation to wait but it would make the world a little nicer and everyones gaming experience just a little better if you weren't a complete douche just cause you're allowed to be. If I was outside with my friends playing basketball and one of them needed to tie their shoe, of course I wouldn't mind. I'm outside, with my friends. You're not asking me to socialize with my friends and simply pausing the game in StarCraft. You're asking me to stare at a frozen computer screen with literately nothing to do. That sure sounds like a lot of fun.
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On February 08 2011 04:40 debasers wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2011 02:09 Hot_Bid wrote: I think for ladder games it's entirely fair for the other player to unpause immediately without any consequences. Sure, it's a jerk thing to do, and I certainly wouldn't look favorably on someone who does this. But it's within their rights, and many people forget that it's the pauser asking for a favor. The pausing player simply has to make a determination, whether it's worth it to play the game or do the other task. If the phone call is important, quit the game and answer it. If you need to answer the door, quit the game, answer the door, and restart another. If the points and win matter that much to you just ignore the door or the phone. By pausing you are forcing someone else to wait at your convenience, this is a privilege not a right. Wow, I agree SO MUCH with that. I even get pissed of when some of my teamates (which i'm even talking to in Teamspeak) pause the game. I mean, some people don't have much time to play, and then, when they go to play their 3~4 matches of the day, someone pauses the game and stays 3 minutes out. Even with a good reason, I still think it is unfair. That's why I personally never pause the game (unless it's something VERY minor, that won't take more than 10 seconds, but even that is pretty rare). I don't unpause when people pause the game because I try to mannered, but it's not I like it very much either. If I have a reason to pause, I just leave the game. Who fuckin' cares about ladder points anyway?
There are people who pause for all sorts of stupid reasons (to mess up your micro, to go look up their build order, to waste your time cause they know they lost, etc) but these are pretty rare and most of the time its just some1 who needs to do something small that doesn't last 20 seconds. Are you really saying you've had cases where you've had enough time to play just 1 ladder game but all of a sudden if that game lasts 30 seconds longer your whole schedule is messed up and you have no time for anything? Seriously?
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On February 08 2011 04:46 Relickey wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2011 04:41 SubtleArt wrote:On February 08 2011 04:20 Hawk wrote:On February 08 2011 04:13 SubtleArt wrote:On February 08 2011 01:21 Trowabarton756 wrote:On February 08 2011 01:18 SubtleArt wrote:On February 08 2011 00:55 LastWish wrote: Well I usually wait 30s-1minute, but only if the opponent asks politely and says the reason. Otherwise I'm not obliged to accept anyone's "wait for me I need to poo or sth" requests.
But its a little more mannered if you do. If some1 pauses they have a reason for pausing. I don't understand how some1 could use the feature as a way of grieving...aren't they just ruining their own experience too? The only time I unpause instantly is when I'm clearly about to win, in which case yes they're doing it to be annoying. If its like the beginning of a game its pretty bm to unpause for some1. Just screams "desperate for ladder wins" to me, pretty pathetic. Its not bm because guess what? My schedule may not work with yours, guess you shouldn't of pressed the "find game" button....it's also not my fault for someone "inconveniencing" you by coming to the door or calling your phone or anything. You pressed "find game", deal with the consequences. You're telling me your schedule allows you to play a ladder game but at the same time it's too busy for you to wait 30 seconds for someone to answer a phone call? Sorry but you're full of shit. Why should you assume that your opponent should have to wait for you, when you could just as easily let it go to voicemail? better yet, let's compare this to sports, since everyone likes to go there with analogies and what not. Pick up 3 on 3 basketball game, your opponent wants you to stop for three minutes so he can take his daily phone call from his girlfriend. And you're supposed to be a jerkoff if you say fuck off and do it later? You're offering a stupid example. Of course I'm not gonna wait for 3 minutes, but when I'm playing a casual game of basketball with friends and someone needs to tie his shoes yes, I'll wait 30 seconds for him to do so. No one is obligated to wait for some1 to pause but it's just a little nicer if you do. I mean really, its not even a minute. Its pretty arrogant to assume that much time will actually matter to you. You're playing a game that averages like 15 minutes anyway, what the extra 30 seconds worth. Absolutely no sacrifice on your part, while your opponent basically auto losses because you can't be bothered. Like I said you're not under any obligation to wait but it would make the world a little nicer and everyones gaming experience just a little better if you weren't a complete douche just cause you're allowed to be. If I was outside with my friends playing basketball and one of them needed to tie their shoe, of course I wouldn't mind. I'm outside, with my friends. You're not asking me to socialize with my friends and simply pausing the game in StarCraft. You're asking me to stare at a frozen computer screen with literately nothing to do. That sure sounds like a lot of fun.
....for 30 seconds... you can't wait for 30 seconds....its so borign to wait for 30 seconds that you'd rather ruin some1 elses game....do you have ADD or something?
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On February 08 2011 04:41 SubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2011 04:20 Hawk wrote:On February 08 2011 04:13 SubtleArt wrote:On February 08 2011 01:21 Trowabarton756 wrote:On February 08 2011 01:18 SubtleArt wrote:On February 08 2011 00:55 LastWish wrote: Well I usually wait 30s-1minute, but only if the opponent asks politely and says the reason. Otherwise I'm not obliged to accept anyone's "wait for me I need to poo or sth" requests.
But its a little more mannered if you do. If some1 pauses they have a reason for pausing. I don't understand how some1 could use the feature as a way of grieving...aren't they just ruining their own experience too? The only time I unpause instantly is when I'm clearly about to win, in which case yes they're doing it to be annoying. If its like the beginning of a game its pretty bm to unpause for some1. Just screams "desperate for ladder wins" to me, pretty pathetic. Its not bm because guess what? My schedule may not work with yours, guess you shouldn't of pressed the "find game" button....it's also not my fault for someone "inconveniencing" you by coming to the door or calling your phone or anything. You pressed "find game", deal with the consequences. You're telling me your schedule allows you to play a ladder game but at the same time it's too busy for you to wait 30 seconds for someone to answer a phone call? Sorry but you're full of shit. Why should you assume that your opponent should have to wait for you, when you could just as easily let it go to voicemail? better yet, let's compare this to sports, since everyone likes to go there with analogies and what not. Pick up 3 on 3 basketball game, your opponent wants you to stop for three minutes so he can take his daily phone call from his girlfriend. And you're supposed to be a jerkoff if you say fuck off and do it later? You're offering a stupid example. Of course I'm not gonna wait for 3 minutes, but when I'm playing a casual game of basketball with friends and someone needs to tie his shoes yes, I'll wait 30 seconds for him to do so. No one is obligated to wait for some1 to pause but it's just a little nicer if you do. I mean really, its not even a minute. Its pretty arrogant to assume that much time will actually matter to you. You're playing a game that averages like 15 minutes anyway, what the extra 30 seconds worth. Absolutely no sacrifice on your part, while your opponent basically auto losses because you can't be bothered. Like I said you're not under any obligation to wait but it would make the world a little nicer and everyones gaming experience just a little better if you weren't a complete douche just cause you're allowed to be.
And it's not at all arrogant to start a ladder game, knowing that you may have to take a phone call and expecting that your opponent will stop what he's doing to accommodate? If someone has something more important to do than the game, they should be playing, or they should learn to not get pissed when people unpause.
I don't think taking a phone call is the same as tying your shoes in the middle of a game
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On February 08 2011 04:48 SubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2011 04:46 Relickey wrote:On February 08 2011 04:41 SubtleArt wrote:On February 08 2011 04:20 Hawk wrote:On February 08 2011 04:13 SubtleArt wrote:On February 08 2011 01:21 Trowabarton756 wrote:On February 08 2011 01:18 SubtleArt wrote:On February 08 2011 00:55 LastWish wrote: Well I usually wait 30s-1minute, but only if the opponent asks politely and says the reason. Otherwise I'm not obliged to accept anyone's "wait for me I need to poo or sth" requests.
But its a little more mannered if you do. If some1 pauses they have a reason for pausing. I don't understand how some1 could use the feature as a way of grieving...aren't they just ruining their own experience too? The only time I unpause instantly is when I'm clearly about to win, in which case yes they're doing it to be annoying. If its like the beginning of a game its pretty bm to unpause for some1. Just screams "desperate for ladder wins" to me, pretty pathetic. Its not bm because guess what? My schedule may not work with yours, guess you shouldn't of pressed the "find game" button....it's also not my fault for someone "inconveniencing" you by coming to the door or calling your phone or anything. You pressed "find game", deal with the consequences. You're telling me your schedule allows you to play a ladder game but at the same time it's too busy for you to wait 30 seconds for someone to answer a phone call? Sorry but you're full of shit. Why should you assume that your opponent should have to wait for you, when you could just as easily let it go to voicemail? better yet, let's compare this to sports, since everyone likes to go there with analogies and what not. Pick up 3 on 3 basketball game, your opponent wants you to stop for three minutes so he can take his daily phone call from his girlfriend. And you're supposed to be a jerkoff if you say fuck off and do it later? You're offering a stupid example. Of course I'm not gonna wait for 3 minutes, but when I'm playing a casual game of basketball with friends and someone needs to tie his shoes yes, I'll wait 30 seconds for him to do so. No one is obligated to wait for some1 to pause but it's just a little nicer if you do. I mean really, its not even a minute. Its pretty arrogant to assume that much time will actually matter to you. You're playing a game that averages like 15 minutes anyway, what the extra 30 seconds worth. Absolutely no sacrifice on your part, while your opponent basically auto losses because you can't be bothered. Like I said you're not under any obligation to wait but it would make the world a little nicer and everyones gaming experience just a little better if you weren't a complete douche just cause you're allowed to be. If I was outside with my friends playing basketball and one of them needed to tie their shoe, of course I wouldn't mind. I'm outside, with my friends. You're not asking me to socialize with my friends and simply pausing the game in StarCraft. You're asking me to stare at a frozen computer screen with literately nothing to do. That sure sounds like a lot of fun. ....for 30 seconds... you can't wait for 30 seconds....its so borign to wait for 30 seconds that you'd rather ruin some1 elses game....do you have ADD or something? So It's okay for them to ruin my whole experience of the game by pausing it?
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I wait between 30s and 1minute without explanation. If you explain I may wait even longer, I'm that generous.
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This happened to me early beta when I was in like gold league, god that drove me insane, I'd say of the 5-6 times i had to pause, only once did the person actually wait for me.
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I understand Hot Bid's point of view, but Id like to look at technical difficulties. I was in a 3v3 with 2 friends and one of them had an issue, Keyboard/Mouse or something went crazy. It was actually pretty funny to watch the replay, he had rallys and queued commands all over the place. I've never seen so many red and green lines...
Anyways, we paused, said we had technical issues, but they just unpaused instantly. Shouldn't someone be given a chance to unplug/replug mouse or something like that? Maybe they could add 1 team pause per game where the team can pause and the other team can't unpause for a minute? Just give us 60 seconds to try to fix it?
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I don't see how the potential for technical difficulty changes anything. It certainly doesn't justify pauses where the opponents can't unpause, the chance of that feature being abused is quite high and would cause so much grief and anger versus the actual benefit of it. What's the worst that can happen when one of your allies loses control? You guys lose the game very rarely? The worst that can happen with a team pause is thousands of games extended extra minutes because idiots abuse the feature.
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When I sit down to play, I expect to play. If you have something come up in the middle of the game then man up and quit. The fact that someone came to your door, you don't have your responsibilities in order, or whatever should not mean that I have to wait around. This kind of sense of entitlement comes up everywhere, not just in Starcraft, and it drives me crazy. FFS, they're ladder points!
That said I've never unpaused a game on someone even after 5 minutes of waiting because I wanted to do them a favor, like Hot_bid is saying. Ask, but don't expect it. The suggestion that people are assholes for unpausing is ridiculous, you are the one imposing on them!
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I always request for pause via "ppp" then pause it and give a reason. I tend to let people pause if given good reasons in reasonable amount of time. I've never met someone who has asked for a pause outside of tournaments but everytime I pause and put a legit reason, they usually unpause it and I proceed to die to something. Frustrating indeed.
Though I always unpause it in custom games (like Starbattle, Nexus Wars, etc) since you can idle for a minute without dire consequences.
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So lemme get this straight -- you think it's rude that someone is unpausing when you pause? But you don't think it's rude that you are pausing and wasting someone else's time?
-If someone just randomly pauses and doesn't tell me why, I automatically unpause and I don't feel bad about it at all. -If someone politely asks, I'll wait a minute or two.
Just like you play ladder to "get better" someone could easily excuse their behavior by saying "it makes me better to play more games, therefore I'm not gonna waste my time with random people pausing on me." As a matter of fact, I look for GOOD games more than I do winning, and the fact that someone pauses on me makes me feel like I'm being robbed of that, so it's all the more reason for me to rush up the game to play the next one.
I mean seriously, what do you have to do that's so important that it can't wait until after the game? Even if you have to pee, the average game is what, 9-11 minutes (per Blizzcon 2010 statistics)? Answer the door? How long does it take to say "30 secs please, doorbell." Even that, if you're expecting someone, leave the door unlocked and tell them to come in. Anything other than the rare 30 sec - 1 min emergency, I don't see ANY OTHER reason that you should need to pause. Any longer than that, just leave.
Bottom-line: Etiquette is a two-way street. If you haven't prepared to play a game of SC2 without distractions, be prepared to take a loss.
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There shouldn't even be a pause option ^_^
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Wow TL has a lot of mannered people or I must be bm or something. I just wait for like 10 seconds if they ask to pause and will resume whether or not they're ready. If they don't even say anything, pause the game, and don't respond to me I resume it right there. I didn't start a game to have to wait for you to get the door or answer a phone call.
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That, I disagree with. There are situations where in pro-games, they need to pause due to technical difficulties, lag due to casting issues, etc.
I've tried to think of all the situations and potential Blizzard implementations that can deal with this issue best, and I think they've pretty much hit in the head. The pausing system we have now is the best possible anyone could've come up with.
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Anyone who doesn't wait a few seconds for someone who pauses the game with a reason is terrible manner... 30 seconds is not a lot of time, you are bad manner if you cannot give 30 seconds.
There is no point in time where 30 seconds makes or breaks your gaming session. There is no point in time where 30 seconds will ruin your whole gaming session.
There is another human being at the other side of the screen, and they have something come up unexpectedly in their life. Give them 30 seconds, I mean hell... there will be a time when something happens to you and you will wish someone would give you 30 seconds.
Hell, the happiness you give someone else by waiting 30 seconds far outweighs the boredom you feel by waiting for 30 seconds.
It kinda pisses me off that there are so many people who aren't even decent enough to wait for 30 seconds for another human being... by not waiting you could potentially ruin their whole gaming session. By waiting, your gaming session is delayed by 30 seconds, but it sure as hell isn't ruined.
If you cannot wait 30 seconds, which is nothing at all, you don't have to do anything, give anyone anything, and you lose nothing... then what kind of people are you when someone actually needs something :/.
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I don't see any reason to unpause unless you are solely laddering to win. Personally I ladder to get better at the game, which I don't if I use unfair advantages to win.
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I personally think that the pause function is quite useful in pro-games where technical difficulties do occur (or maybe you need to blow your nose), but honestly if someone is at your door, or if a phone call that is way too important to miss comes your way, then what you should do is leave the game and conduct your business without your mind in the game. And if the business maybe took you like 5 minutes, then start a new game. If your win-loss ratio on Battle.Net is so important to you that you cannot leave a game to deal with life, then maybe you should rethink your priorities.
but when I'm playing a casual game of basketball with friends and someone needs to tie his shoes yes, I'll wait 30 seconds for him to do so. Well, actually, you don't. If someone's shoes comes undone when you are making a drive towards the basket or shooting the ball, you don't just stop driving/shooting and let him tie his shoes. Likewise, if his shoes comes undone during the play he won't stop the whole play just so he can tie his shoes (or maybe he will if it is a really friendly game). There is a time and place to stop and tie your shoes in a basketball game, just like there is a time and place to pause a game in StarCraft II. If it is a pro-game where a win or loss can mean the tournament, of course pausing is going to help. If it is a casual game on the B.Net ladder where everybody is just trying to have fun, then putting an abrupt halt to it just because you can't risk another loss on your profile is silly and unnecessary.
I don't want to promote unpausing though. Yes, there really is no justification for pausing, but that doesn't mean you aren't a dick if you unpause the game knowing that you will be able to get an advantage as he does whatever he paused to do. Yes he was wrong to pause the game, but that doesn't mean you are justified to unpause the game (now whether or not you feel bad about unpausing is clearly demonstrated as a different matter). In the end, it is just a choice. You may choose to be the guy who unpauses, or you may be the guy who is nice and willing to put up with someone else's mistake and/or incompetence so that everybody has a better time.
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I hate people who pause the game when I'm playing no offense but just because you're busy irl isn't a reason to waste my time if you have to leave your computer than leave the game. Pausing is a silly thing alot of people do on the lower ladder to throw you off tempo. I mean it's a ladder game it's not that big of a deal. One lose cause something came up it's going to demote you.
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Some people may unpause because they need to hurry up in real life, not everyone has all the time in the world to sit and wait. But still there's not much reason to complain about "unpausers" because you can't pause in most games online and if you can they give a timer.
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man yeah that would bug the fuck out of me as well if somebody unpaused a game I paused.
I guess it's something from Brood War where I guess players had more respect for each other on ICCup and obs games.
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I hate people who pause the game to get a phone call. Keep the mobile on your desk, see who's calling. If it's not important, call back after the game. If it's more important like a call for a job or from the hospital where your granma is then just leave the game to take the call.
If the reason for which you pause is more important than a game, just leave the game. If it isn't then it can wait until the end of the game. Yesterday on iccup I was playing a guy and he said that the pizza delivery just arrived and he just left the game. I got a freewin which seemed totally normal.
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What annoys me most is people who ask you for time, then immediately unpause when they get back without asking if you're ready. What the crap? Seriously?
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i really don't like pausing. if something really urgent comes up I just leave the game and take care of it. if some one pauses without giving a reason, i think it is pretty rude. though i don't think i have ever unpaused it thereafter. but if the guy asks for a minute and pauses it, sure i'll give him a minute.
but i'd never pause without giving a reason and then be surprised if they unpaused it (or even if i gave a reason, it's a game and it's on the internet :p)
when i hit that find match button, i want to play!!
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I always leave if something urgent comes up, because there's no guarantee that a random, no-name ladder opponent will have any manners.
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I unpause if the guy doesn't say brb or gives me a reason for it. I personally wouldn't pause for a phone call anyway unless I was waiting for something important. You wouldn't pick up a call during a soccer game - it can wait.
PS: I don't know why I used soccer as an example, that's what came out.
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i once waited 30 minutes paused for a guy while he ate his dinner, it just doesn't bother me that much, i'll just alt tab and do something else for a while. i've had someone do something similar to me too, i had to run to the shop before it closed and he waited. karma? ^_^
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On February 08 2011 06:19 Hot_Bid wrote: I don't see how the potential for technical difficulty changes anything. It certainly doesn't justify pauses where the opponents can't unpause, the chance of that feature being abused is quite high and would cause so much grief and anger versus the actual benefit of it. What's the worst that can happen when one of your allies loses control? You guys lose the game very rarely? The worst that can happen with a team pause is thousands of games extended extra minutes because idiots abuse the feature.
Yeah, you are right. It's just so frusturating though!
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I will let people pause if it's for something short, urgent, and accidental. If a pop-up came up on his computer and it's messing with shit it's reasonable to pause, minimize, deal with it, and then resume. If he just spilled water and has to clean it up, I'll pause for that.
But then there are like the five minute long pauses where they just pause, say "brb" and then go off and do something. Fuck, if you have to leave the computer for it, leave the game. When I'm laddering and I get a phone call that can't wait, I just leave the game. If I have to go to the bathroom, I just leave the game. I think I've called for a pause once, and it was because I had to minimize the window, and it lasted less than 10 seconds. If you're going to play Starcraft, play Starcraft. If you have other stuff to do, leave the game. IMO it's common courtesy.
I've played 2v2 and 3v3 games where less than a minute into the game, someone pauses and says "brb bathroom." Seriously. Go use the bathroom before the game? It's not that difficult to do...
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On February 08 2011 01:21 Trowabarton756 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2011 01:18 SubtleArt wrote:On February 08 2011 00:55 LastWish wrote: Well I usually wait 30s-1minute, but only if the opponent asks politely and says the reason. Otherwise I'm not obliged to accept anyone's "wait for me I need to poo or sth" requests.
But its a little more mannered if you do. If some1 pauses they have a reason for pausing. I don't understand how some1 could use the feature as a way of grieving...aren't they just ruining their own experience too? The only time I unpause instantly is when I'm clearly about to win, in which case yes they're doing it to be annoying. If its like the beginning of a game its pretty bm to unpause for some1. Just screams "desperate for ladder wins" to me, pretty pathetic. Its not bm because guess what? My schedule may not work with yours, guess you shouldn't of pressed the "find game" button....it's also not my fault for someone "inconveniencing" you by coming to the door or calling your phone or anything. You pressed "find game", deal with the consequences.
This exactly. I don't mind waiting for a person who asks politely but I am no way obligated to waste my time waiting for things that inconvienience you. If you had to do things outside of your computer, it was your fault for choosing to play at the time anyway. You could say you didn't know it would happen but either way, if its really that much of an emergency, you can just leave the game.
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Sometimes if they ask nicely, I will let them pause, but it is still really annoying because I have a limited time to ladder and they are just wasting my time - should have just planned ahead or taken the loss if it really is an emergency. If they pause without giving a reason I will definitely unpause, I'm not going to sit there wondering how long "brb" means to you as I waste my time.
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some people don't have the time to be sitting around looking at a pause screen, maybe they only have enough time to squeeze one game in before they go to work or w/e...
I'm not wasting my time because you need to answer the door or the phone or what have you, if you're not dedicated to the game at hand then you deserve to lose.
If I do however have some time on my hands and the person asks politely to pause for a second I don't mind... but if it lasts over a minute I unpause. Just too impatient.
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yea, ever thought that maybe it would be a courtesy to the other guy to just leave the game if you don't have time to play it? You want to have your cake and eat it too with the game + other things.
I hate it when the game starts and the guy's pausing already, and especially the people who don't give time frames for when they're gonna be back. I too have limited time to play.
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I usually wait it out because I don't care.
However, objectively, this is how I see it:
If you have to pause, it's your problem. Your opponent is not obligated to wait for you.
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I will usually wait if someone pauses regardless of whether they give a reason. The way I see it, waiting a minute wouldn't hurt anyone. Its not like people pause every game. Of course if they take longer than that without dropping a reason, I will probably unpause to avoid being trolled. I think if anyone is going to pause for longer than a minute they should give a reason.
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"oh no, lost a match because I paused the game"
hmm...
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