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If you don't want to read me venting skip to bottom, or gtfo.
Ok, so I was a diamond player throughout Beta. I have been a Diamond Zerg and a Diamond Protoss throughout release. But recently I have hit so hard a wall, that im freaking getting worse as I play.
I was top 2 Diamond all season so far, and the last 2 gaming sessions I have had I have just gone on completely negative terrible streaks and I am not sure wtf is going on. I have somehow managed to get worse the more time I put into this game, and when I start losing it is just all down-hill from there.
I am one of those VERY VERY rare people who actually wants to get better in diamond, because I want to be able to compete in Masters without just cheesing every game.
(BTW anyone who cheeses in Diamond is the SCUM of the community. I will say it loudly and proudly, and if you cheese in your league below Diamond you deserve to be punched in your testicles until your future children become retarded. Because congratulations for wasting your own and your opponents time, if he is interested in getting better. I understand that learning to defend cheese is part of the game.. but when you play 10 games and 9 are cheeses and the other is a 1 base all-in it makes you feel like your wasting your time)
Anyways I have been top 3 consistantly in my league, but over the past week have dropped to number 30 in my division and here is why:
PvZ: all they do is Roach Ling/Baneling all in PvT: I have not seen a Terran throw down a 2nd Command Center in 3 weeks. Thor Marine with all of the SCV's repairing. Raven Tank Marine push. MMM all in. Marine SCV all-in. HAVE NOT SEEN A TERRAN DO ANYTHING BUT 1 BASE ALL IN IN 2 freaking weeks! and PvP: so ya there is this build called a 4gate... it happens in 90% of your games. PvRandom: 6pool, 4 gate, 1 Base all-in described previously.
Whenever i get the 1 macro game out of 50 I usually win, because this is where I am comfortable and actually enjoy playing.
UGH I am just feeling completely defeated because I want to improve at this game, but I havent faced an opponent in 2 weeks on ladder who wants to play a game longer than 10 mins. O and I have absolutely NO IDEA WTF TO DO VS A FUCKING TERRAN ALL-IN ON ONE BASE. I have tried getting fast colossu = loss. Tried getting Zealot Legs= loss. Tried to stay on one base and get to 130 supply KNOWING that he is just 1-base all-inning and I lost. Got Fast Colossus and still lost... no idea. And this is all I have seen in 2 weeks. Have not seen a 2nd CC in 2 weeks from Terran, cause why should they, turns out marines are fucking awsome and are only countered by Toss's strongest fucking unit: the Colossus or his 2nd top level unit: the Templar who needs energy and has to research his only useful spell against MMM to do something. AWSOME.
So Protoss vs Terran 1base all-in what am i supposed to fucking do here? And i understand vs Zerg my new choices = DT expand or expand behind 2-3 cannons. (and FFE i know but u cant ffe on xel naga or metalopolis or shattered temple.
Or am I just supposed to play like the rest of the top of diamond plays and just 1 base all-in every game... like 4gating every game game after game after game after game...
Tried to ladder tonight, got 6 matches, 5 PvP's and a Terran 1base all-in. WHAT AN AWSOME FUCKING NIGHT.
And anyone who says, "lolol just solid mechanics will get you into masters" you are full of shit, because every fucking moron on the ladder just copies some Pro's 1 base all-in strat and thats all they do.
So if you are a Protoss player... wtf do you do vs the inevitable 1 base all-in that comes from Terran. Because it's all i have seen in 2 weeks from them.
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(BTW anyone who cheeses in Diamond is the SCUM of the community. I will say it loudly and proudly, and if you cheese in your league below Diamond you deserve to be punched in your testicles until your future children become retarded. Because congratulations for wasting your own and your opponents time, if he is interested in getting better. I understand that learning to defend cheese is part of the game.. but when you play 10 games and 9 are cheeses and the other is a 1 base all-in it makes you feel like your wasting your time) Cheesing is part of the game and even progamers do it. Stop sucking and learn to play against it.
PvZ: all they do is Roach Ling/Baneling all in PvT: I have not seen a Terran throw down a 2nd Command Center in 3 weeks. Thor Marine with all of the SCV's repairing. Raven Tank Marine push. MMM all in. Marine SCV all-in. HAVE NOT SEEN A TERRAN DO ANYTHING BUT 1 BASE ALL IN IN 2 freaking weeks! and PvP: so ya there is this build called a 4gate... it happens in 90% of your games. PvRandom: 6pool, 4 gate, 1 Base all-in described previously. Maybe you should learn how to stop 1 base all-ins. I'm high diamond myself and I almost never play against all-ins(except against toss), yet it's not that hard to stop them.
So Protoss vs Terran 1base all-in what am i supposed to fucking do here? And i understand vs Zerg my new choices = DT expand or expand behind 2-3 cannons. (and FFE i know but u cant ffe on xel naga or metalopolis or shattered temple.
Or am I just supposed to play like the rest of the top of diamond plays and just 1 base all-in every game... like 4gating every game game after game after game after game... Or you could just learn to play better.
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You aren't the only Protoss who wants to get to the late game, where it just so happens that 'toss is strongest. Is it any wonder the other players want to stop you?
And as for PvP, the way the matchup revolves around 4gating is nothing new.
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On May 03 2011 16:44 MaestroSC wrote:
UGH I am just feeling completely defeated because I want to improve at this game, but I havent faced an opponent in 2 weeks on ladder who wants to play a game longer than 10 mins. O and I have absolutely NO IDEA WTF TO DO VS A FUCKING TERRAN ALL-IN ON ONE BASE.
This makes no sense, you know exactly what information you need to improve and yet you feel defeated and rage. I'm sure you can see this is counter-productive.
Whenever you feel like you lost to something stupid on ladder, just remember that all the top players went through the exact same situation and continued playing until they got to be as good as they are now.
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On May 03 2011 16:51 Sotamursu wrote:Show nested quote +(BTW anyone who cheeses in Diamond is the SCUM of the community. I will say it loudly and proudly, and if you cheese in your league below Diamond you deserve to be punched in your testicles until your future children become retarded. Because congratulations for wasting your own and your opponents time, if he is interested in getting better. I understand that learning to defend cheese is part of the game.. but when you play 10 games and 9 are cheeses and the other is a 1 base all-in it makes you feel like your wasting your time) Cheesing is part of the game and even progamers do it. Stop sucking and learn to play against it. Show nested quote +PvZ: all they do is Roach Ling/Baneling all in PvT: I have not seen a Terran throw down a 2nd Command Center in 3 weeks. Thor Marine with all of the SCV's repairing. Raven Tank Marine push. MMM all in. Marine SCV all-in. HAVE NOT SEEN A TERRAN DO ANYTHING BUT 1 BASE ALL IN IN 2 freaking weeks! and PvP: so ya there is this build called a 4gate... it happens in 90% of your games. PvRandom: 6pool, 4 gate, 1 Base all-in described previously. Maybe you should learn how to stop 1 base all-ins. I'm high diamond myself and I almost never play against all-ins(except against toss), yet it's not that hard to stop them. Show nested quote +So Protoss vs Terran 1base all-in what am i supposed to fucking do here? And i understand vs Zerg my new choices = DT expand or expand behind 2-3 cannons. (and FFE i know but u cant ffe on xel naga or metalopolis or shattered temple.
Or am I just supposed to play like the rest of the top of diamond plays and just 1 base all-in every game... like 4gating every game game after game after game after game... Or you could just learn to play better.
Well thanks for your worthless post. Where you didnt answer any question I asked. You wrote "learn to play against cheese" where I said I don't have a problem beating it its just annoying when thats all you see.
1 base all-ins are easy to stop yet your still diamond. Good tip on how to stay at the same level I am. Your insightfulness was extremely helpful and legitimate. I loved the L2P part from a guy who isn't even better than me. That is awsome. Seriously what an amazing post, loved it.
So thanks for saying that Cheese is a part of the game. ( o wait i stated that in the OP) and then stating "it's easy" without saying how u do it, and then following "its easy" with "im actually not better at this game than u its just easy" And then your SO INCREDIBLY strong conclusion of "L2P" when your actually not ANY better than me is truely inspiring, Thank you for wasting both of our time with your amazing post.
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And the latest comment of "venting is stupid" SERIOUSLY AMAZING RESPONSE BRO.
Again, thank you community for the insight/information.
These responses have been so overwhelmingly full of information that I stated myself in the OP that it is just heart-warming.
Especially when the first sentence includes me saying that this is me venting. Your response of "venting is stupid" is so incredibly helpful.
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On May 03 2011 16:46 Inori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 16:44 MaestroSC wrote: So Protoss vs Terran 1base all-in what am i supposed to fucking do here? Than him for practice because if you think that you will get less of this in masters, then you're in for a treat.
Heh.
I got an annoying surprise by this when i got my promotion...
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On May 03 2011 17:09 MaestroSC wrote: And the latest comment of "venting is stupid" SERIOUSLY AMAZING RESPONSE BRO.
Again, thank you community for the insight/information.
These responses have been so overwhelmingly full of information that I stated myself in the OP that it is just heart-warming.
Especially when the first sentence includes me saying that this is me venting. Your response of "venting is stupid" is so incredibly helpful.
If you say "I'm slamming my dick in a door", I'm still gonna tell you slamming you dick in door is stupid.
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I'm wondering as well what the best response is to thors with 50 SCVS repairing (as a toss). Even if I have bigger armies it seems really hard to out-damage the mass-repair.
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lol go to BroodWar
There's less all-in. Usually only 1 game out of 5-10 features this.
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On May 03 2011 17:28 _Quasar_ wrote: lol go to BroodWar
There's less all-in. Usually only 1 game out of 5-10 features this.
Yeah, if you're feeling frustrated that you can't beat something in SC2 you should play Brood War...?
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lol what do you expect will happen in higher leagues? That people will suddenly play late macro games? Fuck no, you're going to get all-ined by players with even better execution.
PS: 4gate PvP is an opener, the rest of PvP is a transition from that point. Get used to the idea.
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If money isn't an issue then consider getting an EU account.
In my (admittedly somewhat limited) experience you're much more likely to get a macro game on EU, and the skill level at diamond is noticeably better.
That aside - that's not the only reason I recommend it. I've found it mentally helpful to switch over to a different "practice" account when I get frustrated with the kind of games I'm having. I'm also far less attached to points etc on my alt account so I find it easier to focus on particular things I want to improve, experiment with different strategies, offrace, etc.
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KR server is also supposed to be a lot less stupid like that. I hear that at least at the masters level very few people just go for stupid coin flip free win strategies and instead just execute standard builds very very very cleanly.
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Ladder is cheese fest. Better get use to it.
I got baneling or roach busted as terran 5/6 games today. Though I did not lose in all of them, winning against it doesn't feel nearly as good as winning a macro game. Not to mention that losing to it is 10 times worse than losing in a macro game.
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On May 03 2011 17:37 Turgid wrote: KR server is also supposed to be a lot less stupid like that. I hear that at least at the masters level very few people just go for stupid coin flip free win strategies and instead just execute standard builds very very very cleanly.
Really? I thought KR had the worst kind of blood pressure raising, well executed cheeses and allins of any server. I'd be curious to try it out firsthand if it weren't such a pita to get a Korean acc.
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On May 03 2011 17:37 Turgid wrote: KR server is also supposed to be a lot less stupid like that. I hear that at least at the masters level very few people just go for stupid coin flip free win strategies and instead just execute standard builds very very very cleanly.
You're kidding right?
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Well thanks to the useful 3-4 people who actually posted. To the people who came here to "poke the bear" are just amazing people who revel in other peoples' frustrations. Thanks for nothing and not helping me at all with the problem.
To the guy who said play BW: I love BW and always will love BW but honestly i truely deeply feel that being good at that game is beyond me...as well as 99% of the SC2 community, whereas this game i KNOW i can get into Grand Masters.
To the people who are having the same problem with 1 base all-in this is my new response that I am stealing from Artosis/Minigun that I have seen them both do. Minigun goes 2 gate expand regardless. You can be safe from a 1 base terran timing involving tanks/thors with this build.
Trick to killing the 1 base all-in. If you know its coming throw down your forge, get your armor upgrades asap. Also if its Siege tanks Chargelots with +1 armor are highly beneficial. This is my new response: super fast upgrades instead of going to colossus tech on 1 base. If you are worried about Banshee timings ur fast forge for fast upgrades = put 1 cannon in each mineral line.
For the people who say "they still 1 base all-in in masters" thanks for nothing and wasting both of our time by posting. For the retard who said people still 4gate in Masters. Thanks for not reading the OP at all and saying what I said: people 4gate in pvp period.
Seriously awsome responses.
@HappyFrog, tomatriedes even _Quasar_ thank you for legitimate posts.
for the people who come to a blog with this title, and with the first line being what it is and then saying "This is what you said" are truely amazing human beings.
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On May 03 2011 17:41 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 17:37 Turgid wrote: KR server is also supposed to be a lot less stupid like that. I hear that at least at the masters level very few people just go for stupid coin flip free win strategies and instead just execute standard builds very very very cleanly. You're kidding right?
Nope, heard it very recently from an NA grandmasters zerg who has been playing over there.
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On May 03 2011 17:40 WindCalibur wrote: Ladder is cheese fest. Better get use to it.
I got baneling or roach busted as terran 5/6 games today. Though I did not lose in all of them, winning against it doesn't feel nearly as good as winning a macro game. Not to mention that losing to it is 10 times worse than losing in a macro game.
thank you for saying what I said in the original post: people cheese on ladder.
What i said: its annoying that people cheese on ladder and its annoying that there is a lot of cheese on ladder" What you said "there is cheese on ladder"
mind officially blown.
The 2nd paragraph was a legitimate response tho.
Winning Vs cheese= you feel no better or worse as a player when you lose/win to cheese. Macro games are where you feel rewarded because its a game you earned your win and actually improved.
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I don't get this, as a top diamond player myself I fight cheese maybe one in 10 games, some days its bad and you get cheesed 5-6 times in a row but I have a hard time believeing that the same terrans I play in tvp that aren't cheesing cheese ever TvP (who knows though fighting colossi in the late game is a bout as aggravating as what your describing, as for how to beat the 1 base all in? forcefields+highground or choke should be pretty easy....
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and a post that says "no u dont see cheese/ 1 base all ins nonstop in ladder.... because i dont in tvt" followed with "it should be easy to stop" without any suggestions. truely amazing post sir. Thank you for blessing my blog with your presense/post. Truely amazing.
In all honesty: Thank you all of you terrible posters who wrote complete wastes of time posts. Your criticism honestly makes me play better because I have always been a "fuck those people" sort of thing when it comes to people like you all and you make me play/work harder.
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Take a break from SC2 for a few days. After your brain is free from all the rage, take a look at some of the replays and try to figure out the solutions by looking at what your opponent is doing. You being a diamond player, I trust that you know your own race well enough so that you can see some of the timings that can align in defending against these all-in plays.
First try to answer the question "What should I have done in this situation?", and after that look for triggers that you can see in your opponent's play so that you know when to adjust your gameplan. Keyword here: scouting.
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Edit: Umm is this a troll? In your first post you rant about people beating you with cheese and how YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO AGAINST A FUCKIOKMG TERRAN ALL IN, Then when people respond you tell them you know how to defend one.... Serious troll man not worth it.
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On May 03 2011 17:06 MaestroSC wrote: Well thanks for your worthless post. Where you didnt answer any question I asked. You wrote "learn to play against cheese" where I said I don't have a problem beating it its just annoying when thats all you see.
MaestroSC wrote: Anyways I have been top 3 consistantly in my league, but over the past week have dropped to number 30 in my division and here is why:
PvZ: all they do is Roach Ling/Baneling all in PvT: I have not seen a Terran throw down a 2nd Command Center in 3 weeks. Thor Marine with all of the SCV's repairing. Raven Tank Marine push. MMM all in. Marine SCV all-in. HAVE NOT SEEN A TERRAN DO ANYTHING BUT 1 BASE ALL IN IN 2 freaking weeks! and PvP: so ya there is this build called a 4gate... it happens in 90% of your games. PvRandom: 6pool, 4 gate, 1 Base all-in described previously.
See this? You say you have no trouble beating cheesy plays, and yet in your OP you specifically say that cheesy plays are the reason you've dropped to number 30 in your division.
You are not being honest with yourself.
That is probably the first thing you need to start improving - be honest with yourself.
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The AI doesn't cheese. You should play it instead of ladder, that would allow you to macro as much as you like.
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if you cant beat 1 base all in plays at the diamond level then there is a huge hole in your game, likely centered around your build orders and scouting. you shouldnt expect to move on and progress until you fill such holes.
you cant expect to play longer games if you have a huge hole in your play that leaves you vulnerable to such attacks. you must get the fundamentals down first, and the games will naturally progress from there.
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by clicking "find match" you're agreeing to play in a sandbox where the only rules are those implanted into the sc2.exe file. sounds like you're just angry that you're losing and feel like your better than people who are "cheesing" you when really they've obviously found a weakness in your SC2 armour.
why don't you switch races to whatever beats you the most, since it must seem easy for them? or maybe then you'll realise it's just as hard and the only reason you're losing is yourself.
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as far as pvp goes, 4-gate is just how the game opens. macro pvp games still exist and you can definitely get to that point in the game if thats how you want to play, you just have to open with a build that doesn't immediately die to a 4 gate.
in regards to the supposedly cheesy builds you complain about losing to, thats just how the game works. it sounds to me like you are doing one of two things:
- panicking when you are faced with some sort of aggression and losing to it because you are doing things like missing warpins and force fields that you need to hit to be master level - playing extremely greedy, so you win the long games because you've spent every cb on probes and he hasn't but you die to anyone who attacks you
your attitude is poor. if you want to play longer games, find and practice builds that don't die to the attacks you are dying to, don't waste your time typing blog posts.
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On May 03 2011 17:31 Turgid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 17:28 _Quasar_ wrote: lol go to BroodWar
There's less all-in. Usually only 1 game out of 5-10 features this. Yeah, if you're feeling frustrated that you can't beat something in SC2 you should play Brood War...?
Brood War is kinda better game Skill matters more, all-in is less viable.
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On May 03 2011 16:44 MaestroSC wrote: (BTW anyone who cheeses in Diamond is the SCUM of the community. I will say it loudly and proudly, and if you cheese in your league below Diamond you deserve to be punched in your testicles until your future children become retarded. Because congratulations for wasting your own and your opponents time, if he is interested in getting better. I understand that learning to defend cheese is part of the game.. but when you play 10 games and 9 are cheeses and the other is a 1 base all-in it makes you feel like your wasting your time) pure gold right here
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On May 03 2011 18:42 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 16:44 MaestroSC wrote: (BTW anyone who cheeses in Diamond is the SCUM of the community. I will say it loudly and proudly, and if you cheese in your league below Diamond you deserve to be punched in your testicles until your future children become retarded. Because congratulations for wasting your own and your opponents time, if he is interested in getting better. I understand that learning to defend cheese is part of the game.. but when you play 10 games and 9 are cheeses and the other is a 1 base all-in it makes you feel like your wasting your time) pure gold right here No he's diamond
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On May 03 2011 18:52 Turbovolver wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 18:42 ArvickHero wrote:On May 03 2011 16:44 MaestroSC wrote: (BTW anyone who cheeses in Diamond is the SCUM of the community. I will say it loudly and proudly, and if you cheese in your league below Diamond you deserve to be punched in your testicles until your future children become retarded. Because congratulations for wasting your own and your opponents time, if he is interested in getting better. I understand that learning to defend cheese is part of the game.. but when you play 10 games and 9 are cheeses and the other is a 1 base all-in it makes you feel like your wasting your time) pure gold right here No he's diamond I love you so much right now
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2-gate stalker vs 4gate or do a gate-robo-gate. I used to have trouble with 1-base all-ins, but if you scout it effectively, and keep up your macro, you'll be fine. vs Tanks/bio/raven/banshee, few stalkers, couple of sentries, lots of zealots.
Ling bling all-ins vs P? Forcefields.
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+ Show Spoiler +(BTW anyone who cheeses in Diamond is the SCUM of the community. I will say it loudly and proudly, and if you cheese in your league below Diamond you deserve to be punched in your testicles until your future children become retarded. Because congratulations for wasting your own and your opponents time, if he is interested in getting better. I understand that learning to defend cheese is part of the game.. but when you play 10 games and 9 are cheeses and the other is a 1 base all-in it makes you feel like your wasting your time)
You say you want to get better then say that defending against cheese is a waste of time...hmmm..............i don't see a connection here. Maybe you should tell flash or stork how much of cheesy newbs they were...oh wait...there just some of the best players in the world at BW.........whoops...
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On May 03 2011 18:00 KMARTRULES wrote: Edit: Umm is this a troll? In your first post you rant about people beating you with cheese and how YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO AGAINST A FUCKIOKMG TERRAN ALL IN, Then when people respond you tell them you know how to defend one.... Serious troll man not worth it.
Actually it wasn't trolling it was legitimate question followed by a "light bulb" moment where after venting and getting my frustrations out of my head, through my hands, onto my screen, i was able to think semi-clearly and remember what i was missing in all of my games PvT. the Forge. Colossus tech is awsome, but vs 1 base all-ins u cant get more than 2 of them out in time = u are better off imo spamming gateways with a forge and chrono'ing out your armor upgrades..and when u do eventually get to colossus tech after u hold off the first 3 1 base timing pushes you are going to crush him.
Thanks to the overly abundant number of people trolling me with "people cheese on ladder" seriously insightful help likes this makes me realize how amazing of a person you are.
Talk about trolling, IMO another person should say that people cheese on ladder, because only 6 people including myself have said that so far.
If you count the Losira build as cheese, the Terran 1 base push followed by 1base all-in. (i am pretty sure this is standard for terran now.. speaking as AGAIn i have not seen a terran make a 2nd cc in 2 weeks even after playing 3 PvT's after this thread was written) And PvP isn't my problem of losing, its just annoying knowing that the chance of playing a macro game in pvp is very unlikely.
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On May 03 2011 16:44 MaestroSC wrote:
So if you are a Protoss player... wtf do you do vs the inevitable 1 base all-in that comes from Terran. Because it's all i have seen in 2 weeks from them.
Hey bro,
I sort of just skipped most the venting stuff as you suggested - been there toads. I'm a masters toss player myself, stopping 1 base all-in on terran is tough, and it's really situational. There's no absolutely '1' way to stop it. What I'd suggest starting to do more of is follows:
i) Actively scouting and understanding 'when' terran should be expanding approximately. If they're not expanding, something is up - build a robo, usually is quite useful vs one base all-ins. ii) Get either halluc or obsv. to scout base, or poke/w probe and see what you can of unit composition + buildings, you can get a really good read on your opponents unit comp + game plan if you can do both! iii) Build the best army possible to counter-act the all-in if it's going to be coming. iv) Before or as the terran tries to move out, you need to try and slow him down with stalkers or any way you can find that's suitable and costs the fewest/if any units. The longer it takes for the terran to get to your base/w 1 base all-in the better chance you have to survive. v) Micro your heart out.
In my opinion the terran 1 base all-in is most effective vs really passive protoss players that don't try to aggressively scout and really gain good map control/aggression throughout the game. the above should help you a great deal/w that. ^^ (if you've done all the above and you're still losing - you're likely not doing it well enough. keep practicing! :D )
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I know how you feel, After my first like 2-15 few games, i thought going semi even it was over
now ive lost like 20 out of my last 30 games ~_~..
Maybe its cause im Zerg or maybe ive hit my limit, i dont know yet.
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Wow, seems like you don't even enjoy the game.
To respond to what other people said, I'm a master protoss and I rarely encounter cheese. It happens, but not even close to as often as op is describing. Though that might vary from person to person.
Sounds like you need to get three builds, one for each matchup, and only do them until you at least get to master. Preferably some really really safe openings, what I did was to only use these builds: PvZ: 3gate sentry expand PvT: 3gate robo expand into double forge if he expands (tyler style <3) PvP: Defensive 4gate
By doing those builds, I don't mean go into a PvZ and throw down 3 gates when you have money and start producing sentries at some random point. Spend 30-60 minutes before each ladder session in a build order trainer like YABOT and really grind those builds. If you actually want to become better, then you have to work for it. Not before you can execute your build order almost completely without thinking, can you actually improve the other things in your play.
Besides, if you can execute these builds well, you should not be able to lose to the all ins at diamond level. You should grab a replay pack from your favourite player and a notebook and just start to really analyze his play, writing down all timings and things you find interesting, and then practice the shit out of it before going out on ladder. It may seem boring at first, but it's actually extremely rewarding and interesting to see what errors you are making compared to a pro gamer. And when you finally get out there on the ladder to steal some ladder points tasteless style, it will be so much more enjoyable as you will always know what to do.
Good luck with the improving. Remember that you won't improve just by grinding ladder, you actually have to put in some effort to effeciently improve, and probably not blame anything on cheese.
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On May 04 2011 06:12 Snaiil wrote: To respond to what other people said, I'm a master protoss and I rarely encounter cheese. It happens, but not even close to as often as op is describing. Though that might vary from person to person. Heh, I hopped over to the NA server to play a bit and a phenomenal amount of my games at Master are proxy raxes/proxy gates/various one base allins. It's certainly educational, since SEA has spoiled me a little :<
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You are a very angry person Maestro.
if you're going to make a blog post and put it out in the public you don't get to dictate how people respond to your thoughts. If you don't want criticism on your thoughts, attitude, and writing, don't put a blog post up.
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Reminds me of playing PvZ back in brood war. From my friends to iccup, with protoss I faced all manner of cheese and all-ins. Yeah, I lost tons of times and even raged a bit to myself, but I just played the same style over and over until I learned to deflect cheese. It's so hard to scout because of speedlings, but you have to just go the extra mile and always be vigilant
If want to be a master of macro you must persevere. Yes, it's easy to cheese and win. If you lose to cheese it's your own fault. Don't complain about it. Just face it down. Watch the pros and study the details of their builds (at least, this worked in brood war), because they are meant to prepare you for anything. There's a reason that cheese isn't the standard, and that's because it should be possible to defend it more often then not if you are an experienced player. Good luck.
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On May 04 2011 11:15 Dhalphir wrote: You are a very angry person Maestro.
At the point of writing this.. I was. Maybe thats why i wrote that it was a venting thread... to vent frustrations. (that means I was angry and writing about it helps me be less angry)
"ZOMG I AM SO PISSED ATM" "you are angry"
"0.o true?"
Seriously, you sir are admirably observant.
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