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I'm a total health noob, but I THINK just dieting is a bad way to lose weight.
The reason is because I think your body burns off half fat and half muscle ( or some proportion ).
Muscle is the reason you keep fat off, simply losing fat will just cause you to get your fat back when you go back to eating normally.
Plus, you'll look scrawny! Anywho, I could be wrong! So much misinformation out there. Correct me if I'm wrong, please!
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Honestly I say you just stick to the foods you're so accustomed to now. I remember when I was reworking my diet, eventually I developed a distaste for the usual old unhealthy food I had eaten as a child and favored healthy cleaner foods. Like I thought in the beginning it would be go on a diet, eat foods you don't like, lose weight, go back to eating food you like. But it's more like go on a diet and eat those types of food without a second thought for the rest of your adult livelihood.
Of course you can stick in a treat or two once or every other week, because really it's quite simply about managing your calories and maximizing how nutritious those fewer calories can be. I honestly quit buying into that "eat small portions throughout your day" sort of thing, because it didn't make much of an impact on me. I only saw results when I changed what I ate, how much I ate, rather than when I ate. Of course eating in the middle of the night is a no no unless you're gonna be up running at 2 in the morning lol.
@abductedonut
I don't think it's so bad when you get to the point of being just really fat lol. I don't know how tall micro is, but unless he's like in the mid-high 6" (quick unsourced estimate) range he probably isn't too scrawny at all if not still a little meaty where he could be sculpted into a god.
But I do have to say that exercising while dieting is so much more efficient in the long run since you can start off from your new base of weight with some tools to work with.
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good progress! any specific reason why you didn't exercise while doing the diet?
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On March 12 2012 03:08 gds wrote: Your main goal shouldnt be losing weight but losing fat. If you cut protein/slow carb and healthy fat (vegetal) intake the very first thing you'll lose is your muscular mass and you'll end up regain all your kilos quickly. You need to learn the basics of nutrition (if you havent already) first, and it's quite simple. Once you've done that you have to work out! Cardio is good but if you do some weight lifting to build up a decent muscle mass, that will raise your metabolism and be a tremendous help to lose your fat. I know you said you're really tired after your work but i'm sure you can find 30min per day to work out and if you walk a lot every day you dont need cardio. Oh and give up nutrisystem, it's useless, just buy a nutrition book, you'll save your money and learn how to eat/cook properly at the same time. It's easy to say "find 30 minutes to work out." It's a lot harder to find 30 minutes, and a way to work out, and then do it.
As I said, my schedule will be changing significantly in a few months so trying to put together a plan for the immediate future isn't that worthwhile. Not to say that exercising or proper dieting is bad.
Telling me to give up the only thing that has gotten me to lose weight in over a decade is perhaps a bit arrogant of you.
On March 12 2012 03:08 Abductedonut wrote: Muscle is the reason you keep fat off, simply losing fat will just cause you to get your fat back when you go back to eating normally. I don't plan to go back to eating the way I was before I did this diet. Part of this diet was to get used to eating less calories (although I can afford to increase them somewhat if my exercise greatly increases).
On March 12 2012 03:10 Snuggles wrote: Honestly I say you just stick to the foods you're so accustomed to now. I remember when I was reworking my diet, eventually I developed a distaste for the usual old unhealthy food I had eaten as a child and favored healthy cleaner foods. Like I thought in the beginning it would be go on a diet, eat foods you don't like, lose weight, go back to eating food you like. But it's more like go on a diet and eat those types of food without a second thought for the rest of your adult livelihood.g Yeah I feel like I'm getting more comfortable at avoiding certain bad eating habits.
Of course you can stick in a treat or two once or every other week, because really it's quite simply about managing your calories and maximizing how nutritious those fewer calories can be. I honestly quit buying into that "eat small portions throughout your day" sort of thing, because it didn't make much of an impact on me. I only saw results when I changed what I ate, how much I ate, rather than when I ate. Of course eating in the middle of the night is a no no unless you're gonna be up running at 2 in the morning lol. I can really only go by what has worked for me.
@abductedonut
I don't think it's so bad when you get to the point of being just really fat lol. I don't know how tall micro is, but unless he's like in the mid-high 6" (quick unsourced estimate) range he probably isn't too scrawny at all if not still a little meaty where he could be sculpted into a god.
But I do have to say that exercising while dieting is so much more efficient in the long run since you can start off from your new base of weight with some tools to work with. Given that I'm in between 5'10" and 5'11" (not a thin build though) I think it is safe to say the first 15 or so pounds of weight loss is perfectly appropriate. Obviously, losing muscle and not fat is bad.
On March 12 2012 03:53 leo23 wrote: good progress! any specific reason why you didn't exercise while doing the diet? The same reasons why I didn't exercise before the diet. Sufficient exercise isn't something that materializes the moment you decide you need it.
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you should get some weights and do 10 reps every time you make a post on TL
then youve already found some spare time, and you are now filling it with exercise
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On March 12 2012 04:35 turdburgler wrote: you should get some weights and do 10 reps every time you make a post on TL
then youve already found some spare time, and you are now filling it with exercise Can you suggest the types of weights and types of exercises? If it's quick and easy to implement maybe I would do it.
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What I really suggest you do is put alot of effort into it and make your own schedule. Complete with exercise and when and how you do it. And a well balanced diet. Since you're working on it now anyways, why not put some real effort in it and get it good right? Doing it yourself can prove to be pretty hard though so getting good advice is critical. You can go to a professional dietist or personal trainer. You don't need to it that however, you can just go to some specific forums and get your advice from there, that does require alot more effort on your part ofcourse. If you don't know where to start just ask Eshlow for advice I'm sure he knows. ( I can't really advise you on it myself sorry)
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On March 12 2012 03:10 Snuggles wrote: Honestly I say you just stick to the foods you're so accustomed to now. I remember when I was reworking my diet, eventually I developed a distaste for the usual old unhealthy food I had eaten as a child and favored healthy cleaner foods. Like I thought in the beginning it would be go on a diet, eat foods you don't like, lose weight, go back to eating food you like. But it's more like go on a diet and eat those types of food without a second thought for the rest of your adult livelihood.
Of course you can stick in a treat or two once or every other week, because really it's quite simply about managing your calories and maximizing how nutritious those fewer calories can be. I honestly quit buying into that "eat small portions throughout your day" sort of thing, because it didn't make much of an impact on me. I only saw results when I changed what I ate, how much I ate, rather than when I ate. Of course eating in the middle of the night is a no no unless you're gonna be up running at 2 in the morning lol.
@abductedonut
I don't think it's so bad when you get to the point of being just really fat lol. I don't know how tall micro is, but unless he's like in the mid-high 6" (quick unsourced estimate) range he probably isn't too scrawny at all if not still a little meaty where he could be sculpted into a god.
But I do have to say that exercising while dieting is so much more efficient in the long run since you can start off from your new base of weight with some tools to work with.
Snuggles has it all figured out.
The major mistake people make when they go on a diet is that someday they will go off it and you will gain the weight back , no matter which diet you pick.
You should pick a diet that you can live on till the last day of your life. It should be healthy with fruits and vegetables and plenty of meat and you eat until you are full.
Just think about what the cave man guys have been eating. Meat , vegetables and a bit of fruit and they never experienced problems with wight.
The reason people get fat in our time is because most foods in stores have a major amount of sugar added or High-fructose corn syrup.
And you might say , hey fruit has fiber as well. The amount of sugar is fruit is very small and even than just in case you might eat to much of it nature added fiber in fruit so it makes you full before you take in to much sugar.
Just think about apples , have you ever eaten 5 apples in a row? While you can munch away plenty of chocolate bars before it has no fiber in it.
So yeah i hope this information helps you in some way , it sure did help me.
Oh , and another thing , losing weight is not a quick thing. The healthy way it takes plenty of time to lose it but you will be rid of it forever if you stay on that diet for life which should not be hard because who doesn't like eating meat?
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On March 12 2012 05:33 solidbebe wrote: What I really suggest you do is put alot of effort into it and make your own schedule. Complete with exercise and when and how you do it. And a well balanced diet. Since you're working on it now anyways, why not put some real effort in it and get it good right? Doing it yourself can prove to be pretty hard though so getting good advice is critical. You can go to a professional dietist or personal trainer. You don't need to it that however, you can just go to some specific forums and get your advice from there, that does require alot more effort on your part ofcourse. If you don't know where to start just ask Eshlow for advice I'm sure he knows. ( I can't really advise you on it myself sorry) I've found that what works for me best, as you suggested, is to have a schedule. Every night I brush my teeth before going to bed. Every morning, I weigh myself with the exact same procedure, etc.
The hard part is coming up with a schedule that is compatible with other areas of your life. I haven't had success with that for exercise and diet (aside from nutrisystem which isn't long-term).
On March 12 2012 06:00 Knap4life wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 03:10 Snuggles wrote: Honestly I say you just stick to the foods you're so accustomed to now. I remember when I was reworking my diet, eventually I developed a distaste for the usual old unhealthy food I had eaten as a child and favored healthy cleaner foods. Like I thought in the beginning it would be go on a diet, eat foods you don't like, lose weight, go back to eating food you like. But it's more like go on a diet and eat those types of food without a second thought for the rest of your adult livelihood.
Of course you can stick in a treat or two once or every other week, because really it's quite simply about managing your calories and maximizing how nutritious those fewer calories can be. I honestly quit buying into that "eat small portions throughout your day" sort of thing, because it didn't make much of an impact on me. I only saw results when I changed what I ate, how much I ate, rather than when I ate. Of course eating in the middle of the night is a no no unless you're gonna be up running at 2 in the morning lol.
@abductedonut
I don't think it's so bad when you get to the point of being just really fat lol. I don't know how tall micro is, but unless he's like in the mid-high 6" (quick unsourced estimate) range he probably isn't too scrawny at all if not still a little meaty where he could be sculpted into a god.
But I do have to say that exercising while dieting is so much more efficient in the long run since you can start off from your new base of weight with some tools to work with. Snuggles has it all figured out. The major mistake people make when they go on a diet is that someday they will go off it and you will gain the weight back , no matter which diet you pick. You should pick a diet that you can live on till the last day of your life. It should be healthy with fruits and vegetables and plenty of meat and you eat until you are full. Just think about what the cave man guys have been eating. Meat , vegetables and a bit of fruit and they never experienced problems with wight. The reason people get fat in our time is because most foods in stores have a major amount of sugar added or High-fructose corn syrup. And you might say , hey fruit has fiber as well. The amount of sugar is fruit is very small and even than just in case you might eat to much of it nature added fiber in fruit so it makes you full before you take in to much sugar. Just think about apples , have you ever eaten 5 apples in a row? While you can munch away plenty of chocolate bars before it has no fiber in it. So yeah i hope this information helps you in some way , it sure did help me. Oh , and another thing , losing weight is not a quick thing. The healthy way it takes plenty of time to lose it but you will be rid of it forever if you stay on that diet for life which should not be hard because who doesn't like eating meat? I'm trying to reduce my meat and animal products intake, to be honest. I'm not about to become a vegan though.
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Sweet jesus it was nearly spot on about the weight lost and time taken too @_@
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On March 12 2012 06:06 Grobyc wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Sweet jesus it was nearly spot on about the weight lost and time taken too @_@
Something ate the left side of your picture :s
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Ah it was just micronesia's post from above, just wanted to put the focus on the ad lol
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If you're not motivated enough to even wake up an hour earlier, it's hard to get anything done. Do a 30min walk/run 3x/week keeping score and trying to beat your time, soon you won't even feel so tired from work.
I lost 100lb through just dieting/exercise and would never forgo the latter. Actually, after getting to the point of running 10-20min 6x/week and swimming an hour 3x/week, I'm looking for ways to stop losing weight.
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On March 12 2012 06:55 Soap wrote: If you're not motivated enough to even wake up an hour earlier, it's hard to get anything done. Do a 30min walk/run 3x/week keeping score and trying to beat your time, soon you won't even feel so tired from work.
I lost 100lb through just dieting/exercise and would never forgo the latter. Actually, after getting to the point of running 10-20min 6x/week and swimming an hour 3x/week, I'm looking for ways to stop losing weight. I already wake up at 5:30am for work... don't really want to have to get up at 4:30 or earlier to go for a jog and shower :-/
I also never feel like exercising when I get up. I know it works really well for some people but has never really been my thing.
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I'm not a nutritionist or educated PT but I am an aspiring body-builder and I have cut down in order to reduce body fat from time to time. First thing I would like to say is that these special meals with low calories can be great in order to quickly lose fat but the most important thing is to have a long-term plan for how you will eat after you get of the temporary diet. See it as a quick loan of money, it will make your time a bit easier for a while but without a good financial plan you will soon be back to where you started or worse.
Secondly, a lot of people here talk about exercising. We all know exercising is good for you but the truth is that you do not have to exercise at all and you can still go down and maintain low body-fat and weight. It's actually quite simple, if your intake of calories is bigger than what you use up you gain weight, if your intake is less than you use it's the opposite - you lose weight. If you know how many calories you "spend" everyday you can simply put your intake about 500-750 lower than you need and you will lose weight over time (7000 calories is about 1 kg of body-fat). If you exercise that simply means you will use more calories and it will speed up your metabolism but it's not at all needed.
You can ask a lot of body-builders, a lot of them never do cardio and still they lose weight, it's all about controlling the diet.
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On March 12 2012 07:05 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 06:55 Soap wrote: If you're not motivated enough to even wake up an hour earlier, it's hard to get anything done. Do a 30min walk/run 3x/week keeping score and trying to beat your time, soon you won't even feel so tired from work.
I lost 100lb through just dieting/exercise and would never forgo the latter. Actually, after getting to the point of running 10-20min 6x/week and swimming an hour 3x/week, I'm looking for ways to stop losing weight. I already wake up at 5:30am for work... don't really want to have to get up at 4:30 or earlier to go for a jog and shower :-/ I also never feel like exercising when I get up. I know it works really well for some people but has never really been my thing.
So you say the solution is exercise but doesn't want to either before or after work, what do you have in mind? It's not like you can do it in your sleep.
Secondly, a lot of people here talk about exercising. We all know exercising is good for you but the truth is that you do not have to exercise at all and you can still go down and maintain low body-fat and weight. It's actually quite simple, if your intake of calories is bigger than what you use up you gain weight, if your intake is less than you use it's the opposite - you lose weight. If you know how many calories you "spend" everyday you can simply put your intake about 500-750 lower than you need and you will lose weight over time (7000 calories is about 1 kg of body-fat). If you exercise that simply means you will use more calories and it will speed up your metabolism but it's not at all needed.
It doesn't work like that, your body doesn't burn only fat but also protein (muscle). Of course people "exercise" throughout their day or a lot would end up looking like cancer patients, but unless one does a lot of manual labor it takes a lot of effort and frustration to maintain a balanced diet, while exercise improves health, productivity and quality of life (hey, I'm eating pizza right now and still losing 2.2lb a week)
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On March 12 2012 07:46 Soap wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 07:05 micronesia wrote:On March 12 2012 06:55 Soap wrote: If you're not motivated enough to even wake up an hour earlier, it's hard to get anything done. Do a 30min walk/run 3x/week keeping score and trying to beat your time, soon you won't even feel so tired from work.
I lost 100lb through just dieting/exercise and would never forgo the latter. Actually, after getting to the point of running 10-20min 6x/week and swimming an hour 3x/week, I'm looking for ways to stop losing weight. I already wake up at 5:30am for work... don't really want to have to get up at 4:30 or earlier to go for a jog and shower :-/ I also never feel like exercising when I get up. I know it works really well for some people but has never really been my thing. So you say the solution is exercise but doesn't want to either before or after work, what do you have in mind? It's not like you can do it in your sleep. As I said my schedule will be changing in a few months so there's no point in me working really hard to find something that works right now.
It would have to be after work obviously but I hadn't found a way to do it yet that works for me.
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On March 12 2012 07:46 Soap wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 07:05 micronesia wrote:On March 12 2012 06:55 Soap wrote: If you're not motivated enough to even wake up an hour earlier, it's hard to get anything done. Do a 30min walk/run 3x/week keeping score and trying to beat your time, soon you won't even feel so tired from work.
I lost 100lb through just dieting/exercise and would never forgo the latter. Actually, after getting to the point of running 10-20min 6x/week and swimming an hour 3x/week, I'm looking for ways to stop losing weight. I already wake up at 5:30am for work... don't really want to have to get up at 4:30 or earlier to go for a jog and shower :-/ I also never feel like exercising when I get up. I know it works really well for some people but has never really been my thing. So you say the solution is exercise but doesn't want to either before or after work, what do you have in mind? It's not like you can do it in your sleep. Show nested quote +Secondly, a lot of people here talk about exercising. We all know exercising is good for you but the truth is that you do not have to exercise at all and you can still go down and maintain low body-fat and weight. It's actually quite simple, if your intake of calories is bigger than what you use up you gain weight, if your intake is less than you use it's the opposite - you lose weight. If you know how many calories you "spend" everyday you can simply put your intake about 500-750 lower than you need and you will lose weight over time (7000 calories is about 1 kg of body-fat). If you exercise that simply means you will use more calories and it will speed up your metabolism but it's not at all needed. It doesn't work like that, your body doesn't burn only fat but also protein (muscle). Of course people "exercise" throughout their day or a lot would end up looking like cancer patients, but unless one does a lot of manual labor it takes a lot of effort and frustration to maintain a balanced diet, while exercise improves health, productivity and quality of life (hey, I'm eating pizza right now and still losing 2.2lb a week)
you must be losing muscle as well because losing 2.2lb of pure fat a week is near impossible unless your obese.
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Well, if you say so. If you prefer to join a gym:
- walk/run - great if you're competitive, and surprisingly relaxing.
- pick a distance or time you're comfortable with and do it, then try to improve it.
- distance is best for performance, time is best for convenience.
- if you need a reference, check the running thread on H&F, but aim low to not get frustrated.
- always slow down rather than stop before the end.
- if you have trouble keeping up, hire a trainer (picture it as a friend who's always there, pushing and planning everything for you). Just make sure to be someone you get along well (don't hire a bodybuilder if you just wanna do a little cardio because the dude(tte) is ripped, odds are you have totally different mindsets and it will drive you insane)
- join an aerobics class - it's more social and easier to keep up, but more complex and thus less productive.
- swim - probably the best activity per se, but very difficult.
- weightlift for bonus pride and joy points, here I find a trainer essential at least for a few months.
- I don't recommend stationary bikes, ellipticals and the like, I've yet to feel someone is working very hard on those and that's because they're very unnatural movements that activate little of the body.
Or walk/run in the streets or a park. With a friend or good music, nice scenery and a GPS watch or smartphone to keep track is probably ideal.
On March 12 2012 08:29 Knap4life wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 07:46 Soap wrote:On March 12 2012 07:05 micronesia wrote:On March 12 2012 06:55 Soap wrote: If you're not motivated enough to even wake up an hour earlier, it's hard to get anything done. Do a 30min walk/run 3x/week keeping score and trying to beat your time, soon you won't even feel so tired from work.
I lost 100lb through just dieting/exercise and would never forgo the latter. Actually, after getting to the point of running 10-20min 6x/week and swimming an hour 3x/week, I'm looking for ways to stop losing weight. I already wake up at 5:30am for work... don't really want to have to get up at 4:30 or earlier to go for a jog and shower :-/ I also never feel like exercising when I get up. I know it works really well for some people but has never really been my thing. So you say the solution is exercise but doesn't want to either before or after work, what do you have in mind? It's not like you can do it in your sleep. Secondly, a lot of people here talk about exercising. We all know exercising is good for you but the truth is that you do not have to exercise at all and you can still go down and maintain low body-fat and weight. It's actually quite simple, if your intake of calories is bigger than what you use up you gain weight, if your intake is less than you use it's the opposite - you lose weight. If you know how many calories you "spend" everyday you can simply put your intake about 500-750 lower than you need and you will lose weight over time (7000 calories is about 1 kg of body-fat). If you exercise that simply means you will use more calories and it will speed up your metabolism but it's not at all needed. It doesn't work like that, your body doesn't burn only fat but also protein (muscle). Of course people "exercise" throughout their day or a lot would end up looking like cancer patients, but unless one does a lot of manual labor it takes a lot of effort and frustration to maintain a balanced diet, while exercise improves health, productivity and quality of life (hey, I'm eating pizza right now and still losing 2.2lb a week) you must be losing muscle as well because losing 2.2lb of pure fat a week is near impossible unless your obese.
I weightlift 3x a week, otherwise you'd be right. Once I crash dieted and lost about 20lbs very fast, stupidest thing I ever did, got postural problems and no strength whatsoever.
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On March 12 2012 04:36 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 04:35 turdburgler wrote: you should get some weights and do 10 reps every time you make a post on TL
then youve already found some spare time, and you are now filling it with exercise Can you suggest the types of weights and types of exercises? If it's quick and easy to implement maybe I would do it.
wasnt trying to be your personal doctor. you wanted to add more physicality to your day and you say you dont know how you would find spare time. time on TL is already spare time, which is the hardest part to sort out according to your posts. just do something, anything in the time. since you dont know how long you will have to sit on TL at a given time an exercise based on how long you are there seems suitable.
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