Because of the food, damn it. It's so hard to find a good slice of meat in Singapore that goes with some nice rye/pumpernickel.
It's probably normal to have dreams of migrating to other countries at my age (15), right?
I really would like to go to a University in Canada, or the US because it's so awesome to be able to go to a supermarket, get some fresh wholemeal bread at the bakery, get a slice of ham, and go to a nearby park, sit down on the grass, and just eat and watch the blue sky. Also, it isn't 35 degrees there.
Granted, there isn't anywhere else in the world that I can think of that has the safety of Singapore and transportation systems that have the same quality here. But all this, I would gladly trade to pursue a Western life style.
I don't know where I'm going with this. Is America or Canada really as good as the media makes them out to be?
Here's some pics of food I had when I was in New Zealand visiting my family
I dont know why you would expect food in college to be good. Usally you have no money and end up eating on campus and it is from my experience terrible.
On July 01 2012 11:43 iamperfection wrote: I dont know why you would expect food in college to be good. Usally you have no money and end up eating on campus and it is from my experience terrible.
I really don't mean to sound like a pretentious entitled dick, but money isn't a problem.
It can be pretty nice, but it's not really exactly what you seem to think it is. Yeah, the US can be great in terms of food, but the rest of the world is just as good.
Why on earth would anyone go to us for the food. Boggles my mind. In cuisine, seniority means quality, so traditional recipes from countries like greece, italy, spain, france are the best and my taste buds have verified that logic.
But I don't understand your problem anyway, you don't have super markets in singapore? Or meat for that matter? xP
On July 01 2012 11:59 theBALLS wrote: lol kid you've no idea how much better the food here in Singapore is.
No, I dont think you understand. Hawker Centres and all that, yeah, but not for me.
Norway seems perfect,but im sure it isnt all its made out to be.
No country is perfect, of course, and Norway like any nation has its problems with society at large, but at the risk of sounding awfully smug and over-patriotic, I think Norway is a very good place to live. Depends on the person, too, naturally.
EDIT Western food is good if you know what you're doing. Burgers and fast food is unhealthy and not very good tasting, but Western home baking is first class (at least in NZ). As for more substantial meals, generally Italian food is good, pies are good, roasts are good (when done right), French food is often good, and as you've discovered, BBQs are really good in NZ.
Our vegetables are genetically modified to be oversized and as a consequence are less flavorful; most of them are also dyed to make them look more natural or something. There is good meat here but it is expensive and difficult to come by, regularly available meat is cheap and bland.
Grocery stores here aren't really somewhere you can grab fresh bread baked on site, get fresh local meat, fresh local fruits, etc. It's the same packaged stuff you can buy anywhere else.
On July 01 2012 12:26 Sinensis wrote: Our vegetables are genetically modified to be oversized and as a consequence are less flavorful; most of them are also dyed to make them look more natural or something. There is good meat here but it is expensive and difficult to come by, regularly available meat is cheap and bland.
Grocery stores here aren't really somewhere you can grab fresh bread baked on site, get fresh local meat, fresh local fruits, etc. It's the same packaged stuff you can buy anywhere else.
Do you have Publix where you live? I've found their meat and bakery to be quite good, though there have a been a few locations that I wouldn't recommend.
Trust me, it might be cool for a week or so...afterwards you will CRAVE the food your used to, especially if your used to spicy stuff. It ultimately made me to start cooking at home, something I thought I'd never do (and enjoy!), and finding ways of importing stuff cheaply.
On July 01 2012 12:14 Steveling wrote: Why on earth would anyone go to us for the food. Boggles my mind. In cuisine, seniority means quality, so traditional recipes from countries like greece, italy, spain, france are the best and my taste buds have verified that logic.
But I don't understand your problem anyway, you don't have super markets in singapore? Or meat for that matter? xP
Because traditional recipes and chefs from all over the world end up in the U.S for various reasons.
It is ones of the best places in the world for food if you're also taking into account wanting a variety of different foods. But even then it depends on where in the U.S. you live and what kind of food you like.
You gotta be kidding me. Sg food is the best, hands down. If you're looking for those kinds of food, there's many cafes and restaurants that serve them.
I've been in the US (north carolina) for a year. The most common types of food are burgers, pizza and fried chicken. Obviously there's a greater variety than that, but you can find even more in sg. Food portions are larger, but also more expensive.
Trust me. When you leave sg, you'll be craving the food. If you ever go to Singapore Day, you'll feel it.
You might as well go to Spain or France, where the food is much better lol. Why the US.............
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, if you live in the right city you should have a decent variety of all kinds of food really. Some cities are known as more "culinary" cities and of course each region has its own specialty dishes. I would do a lot of research and find a college near a large city known for having great places to eat out. If money is not an option I would consider just doing some traveling for fun before college, to scout places out. Maybe even make the Eurotrip.
I live in Portland, Or which I would like to think is one of those kinds of places. I can get New York Style pizza one night, then go out for Korean BBQ the next, then eat with my fingers at an Indian restraunt, then eat some pretty good Pho or Sushi. And we have lots of small grocery stores and bakeries.
I've traveled fairly extensively, and I can honestly say, Alberta(Canada) AAA beef is the best I've tasted. It is delicious
I've had a few good steaks in Montana/Washington as well.
But honestly I wouldnt prop it up on a pedestal to much, or you will just be disappointed. You might get sick of cold ass winters In Canada and the Northern US pretty quick. (its like 8-9 months a year in Calgary)
It's been 35-37 Celsius for the last few days over the entire southeastern United States. JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE
We do have a lot of food though and it is very convenient to buy.
On July 01 2012 12:26 Sinensis wrote: Our vegetables are genetically modified to be oversized and as a consequence are less flavorful; most of them are also dyed to make them look more natural or something. There is good meat here but it is expensive and difficult to come by, regularly available meat is cheap and bland.
Grocery stores here aren't really somewhere you can grab fresh bread baked on site, get fresh local meat, fresh local fruits, etc. It's the same packaged stuff you can buy anywhere else.
Please don't listen to Conspiracy Keanu. Yes, there is very cheap meats that lack flavor but are still wholesome. The whole genetically modified vegetable part is bunk- the tomatoes I buy at Publix are as good as the ones I grow at home in my garden. Certainly you could find cheap, flavorless vegetables and fruits as you could find cheap flavorless meat. However it isn't expensive to buy good tasting food either.
Seriously, the post I quoted is like 70% conspiracy theory.
This is funny. I absolutely hate western meat and view it as having very little taste. Meanwhile, I fucking love eastern meat and pretty much everything else from Asian cultures. Maybe we should switch lives. No one ever has to know.
On July 01 2012 12:26 Sinensis wrote: Our vegetables are genetically modified to be oversized and as a consequence are less flavorful; most of them are also dyed to make them look more natural or something. There is good meat here but it is expensive and difficult to come by, regularly available meat is cheap and bland.
Grocery stores here aren't really somewhere you can grab fresh bread baked on site, get fresh local meat, fresh local fruits, etc. It's the same packaged stuff you can buy anywhere else.
Please don't listen to Conspiracy Keanu. Yes, there is very cheap meats that lack flavor but are still wholesome. The whole genetically modified vegetable part is bunk- the tomatoes I buy at Publix are as good as the ones I grow at home in my garden. Certainly you could find cheap, flavorless vegetables and fruits as you could find cheap flavorless meat. However it isn't expensive to buy good tasting food either.
Seriously, the post I quoted is like 70% conspiracy theory.
Tomatoes can't be genetically modified after they are already tomatoes. The seeds you are planting are modified too.
I'm sorry that you disagree with me because what I said was "70% conspiracy theory."
Dude, the west might have better quality meats, but the sauces and seasoning is really bad compared to asia and the rest of the world. If I were u, I'd just travel around a bit and not be so dramatic as to go to college for years there
"The grass is always greener on the other side." America is definitely not what you see in movies and TV. Go to peopleofwalmart.com to get a more realistic picture. :D
If you come to college in the USA, go to college in the south or california. the atmosphere of grilling/ food related get togethers is really great. often groups of friends have BBQ's and in general just get together eat and drink and have a good time.
On July 01 2012 12:52 Heh_ wrote: You gotta be kidding me. Sg food is the best, hands down. If you're looking for those kinds of food, there's many cafes and restaurants that serve them.
I've been in the US (north carolina) for a year. The most common types of food are burgers, pizza and fried chicken. Obviously there's a greater variety than that, but you can find even more in sg. Food portions are larger, but also more expensive.
Trust me. When you leave sg, you'll be craving the food. If you ever go to Singapore Day, you'll feel it.
You might as well go to Spain or France, where the food is much better lol. Why the US.............
He's young. He will learn.
Also food posted in OP is way out of league for a typical american. I dont know where you went to in NZ but they sure treated you nice (given how much of a brat you are )
Come to University of Toronto. World class education in a world class city. It's located next to a few ethnic enclaves and many are within walking distance. You can have your western and, when and if you ever get homesick, you can walk 5 minutes to Chinatown just south of the campus and eat all the Chinese food you want. If you're really into SC and as a result, really like Korean culture, there's a large and growing Korean population so there's lots of Korean food here too.
Yeah here's the thing. This whole "Oh my food has been modified so it must be horrible for me and/or taste terrible!" is only on Fox News fluff pieces and on the internet. If I'm wrong then I'm living blissfully and I will continue to live blissfully. We have great food. I'm absolutely convinced that those that disagree are propagating nonsense they read somewhere and not speaking from experience.
I live in the South. We have a lot of farmers markets and, yes, unmodified vegetable strains if that's your thing. But as it turns out, just like free range chicken or all natural blahblah, it is just another label that gets slapped on to convince you to buy a certain product over a competitors. Think what you want, my taste buds will not suffer.
You should check out Vancouver. Great food from all over the world, super pretty, super safe, more temperate than the rest of Canada, and we have great public transit.
I'm moving to the west to attend grad school and one of the first things I did when looking up the city my school was in was making sure it had a good asian grocery- I honestly don't think I'd be able to get by without one. I'm also going grocery shopping for those instant food seasoning mixes and soup bases that I can bring abroad and use one by one when I'm really homesick. Really excited for grad school overall of course, but the food is definitely not one of the reasons.
On July 01 2012 17:23 Azera wrote: The vibe I'm getting from the naysayers are -
"Dude, the grass is always greener on the other side. The East is so much better". - Westerners.
The food you've eaten on a holiday is not representative of food eaten as a resident.
Get good grades in JC, earn an overseas scholarship for an all-paid 3-4 year trip to the US/EU. You'll see 1: cost of living is more expensve 2: food is overrated you'll miss sg food within a few weeks 3: you're gonna end up cooking for yourself to save money, which is 1000 times worser than hawker food. Unless your parents have a few million bucks to spare, then you can eat outside everyday and get bored of the limited variety really quickly.
I've spent 4 years overseas, 3 in UK and 1 in US. Spoken from firsthand experience.
On July 01 2012 17:23 Azera wrote: The vibe I'm getting from the naysayers are -
"Dude, the grass is always greener on the other side. The East is so much better". - Westerners.
The food you've eaten on a holiday is not representative of food eaten as a resident.
Get good grades in JC, earn an overseas scholarship for an all-paid 3-4 year trip to the US/EU. You'll see 1: cost of living is more expensve 2: food is overrated you'll miss sg food within a few weeks 3: you're gonna end up cooking for yourself to save money, which is 1000 times worser than hawker food. Unless your parents have a few million bucks to spare, then you can eat outside everyday and get bored of the limited variety really quickly.
I've spent 4 years overseas, 3 in UK and 1 in US. Spoken from firsthand experience.
When I was in New Zealand I rarely ate out, most of the food was bought from the supermarket and then cooked back at my Uncle's house. As Probe1 has said, I think you guys are just shitty at cooking and blaming the cow.
On July 01 2012 17:23 Azera wrote: The vibe I'm getting from the naysayers are -
"Dude, the grass is always greener on the other side. The East is so much better". - Westerners.
The food you've eaten on a holiday is not representative of food eaten as a resident.
Get good grades in JC, earn an overseas scholarship for an all-paid 3-4 year trip to the US/EU. You'll see 1: cost of living is more expensve 2: food is overrated you'll miss sg food within a few weeks 3: you're gonna end up cooking for yourself to save money, which is 1000 times worser than hawker food. Unless your parents have a few million bucks to spare, then you can eat outside everyday and get bored of the limited variety really quickly.
I've spent 4 years overseas, 3 in UK and 1 in US. Spoken from firsthand experience.
When I was in New Zealand I rarely ate out, most of the food was bought from the supermarket and then cooked back at my Uncle's house. As Probe1 has said, I think you guys are just shitty at cooking and blaming the cow.
I've never said anything about "different" tasting meat. It's true that most of it can be attributed to poor cooking skills. The lack of meat in sg dishes, as you've mentioned, is true because that's one of the factors involved in keeping prices low. You can always request for more meat, and the prices will still be cheaper than food in western countries.
Remember that you only spent 2 weeks in NZ. Think about whether you can eat those kinds of food every day for several years. The variety of food available in sg is unparalleled. Remember that the types of food that you're yearning for is also available in sg.
On July 01 2012 17:23 Azera wrote: The vibe I'm getting from the naysayers are -
"Dude, the grass is always greener on the other side. The East is so much better". - Westerners.
The food you've eaten on a holiday is not representative of food eaten as a resident.
Get good grades in JC, earn an overseas scholarship for an all-paid 3-4 year trip to the US/EU. You'll see 1: cost of living is more expensve 2: food is overrated you'll miss sg food within a few weeks 3: you're gonna end up cooking for yourself to save money, which is 1000 times worser than hawker food. Unless your parents have a few million bucks to spare, then you can eat outside everyday and get bored of the limited variety really quickly.
I've spent 4 years overseas, 3 in UK and 1 in US. Spoken from firsthand experience.
When I was in New Zealand I rarely ate out, most of the food was bought from the supermarket and then cooked back at my Uncle's house. As Probe1 has said, I think you guys are just shitty at cooking and blaming the cow.
^^ have you lived outside your country? Not a flying visit, but actually living, working/studying for an extended period of time. Then you'll understand what he's saying.
Besides he did not say anything about the quality of meat being bad at all, he isnt "blaming the cow" lol. I kinda get the feeling that your hugely influenced by what is said by the media/people about the west, from your blog posts in general.
On July 01 2012 17:23 Azera wrote: The vibe I'm getting from the naysayers are -
"Dude, the grass is always greener on the other side. The East is so much better". - Westerners.
not really, just that food in the us is absolute garbage
obviously not all of it, and it does have a lot of foreign food and all, but if you're going to the us to have "western food" then you're gonna be disappointed. just go to europe where every country has different traditions and different cuisine, you can try everything and it has much more taste than anything you'd call "american food"
i spent a few months in the us and i felt terrible eating their food, it didn't taste bad but it was a very simple taste, usually just tons of salt added onto everything, and it all felt horribly greasy and disgusting.
or you can go to the us and eat asian (or anywhere else) food anyway, either at overpriced restaurants or buying awful instant shit at the supermarket, which is what most americans do
If I can't get some good sliced ham, bread, and vegetables, I'll be damned.
I can't begin to grasp the idea that Western countries don't have fresh meat and vegetables as well. Farmers market might be on every Sunday or so, but what about the butchers and whatever else?
I'm just going to say that none of these posters have experience with American food aside from McDonalds or places where you can get your cut of steak for $12.
There's NOTHING that comes even close to an all-American USDA-Prime cut of rib eye steak charred for 3 minutes to black and blue status on a charcoal grill. Granted this piece of meat will run you $35 if you're cooking yourself or upwards of $100 if you're getting it at a restaurant.
You haven't tasted food until you've had one of those.
On July 01 2012 18:00 serge wrote: I'm just going to say that none of these posters have experience with American food aside from McDonalds or places where you can get your cut of steak for $12.
There's NOTHING that comes even close to an all-American USDA-Prime cut of rib eye steak charred for 3 minutes to black and blue status on a charcoal grill. Granted this piece of meat will run you $35 if you're cooking yourself or upwards of $100 if you're getting it at a restaurant.
You haven't tasted food until you've had one of those.
On July 01 2012 17:58 Azera wrote: If I can't get some good sliced ham, bread, and vegetables, I'll be damned.
I can't begin to grasp the idea that Western countries don't have fresh meat and vegetables as well. Farmers market might be on every Sunday or so, but what about the butchers and whatever else?
it's often a quest to find good local butchers/groceries. we mostly just have franchised chain stores
Publix Krogers Save-a-lot Food Lion Wal mart
Absolutely Massive chain stores the size of small shopping malls.
As a vegetarian my primary concern is finding those asian groceries that have good fresh tofu instead of brand name stuff.
But we have local groceries/delis/butchers that are often very good and high quality, but they aren't like every block or anything (unless you are in certain parts of NY or Boston). But i've been raised in florida, where everything is super spread out.
If you go to a chain store (read non wal-mart) you can often go to a deli there and get fresh (day old not hour old like at a butcher) meat and cheese ect. and make sandwiches and it's pretty good.
BUT eating good quality food gets expensive here. If i shop at a local publix, and buy higher quality food my monthly food bill is about 200 dollars for myself, if i get the cheap food i can get by a month on only 100 dollars. and then probably 50 dollars in premade food a month either way because i enjoy a smoothie with whey protein after the gym.
On July 01 2012 17:58 Azera wrote: If I can't get some good sliced ham, bread, and vegetables, I'll be damned.
I can't begin to grasp the idea that Western countries don't have fresh meat and vegetables as well. Farmers market might be on every Sunday or so, but what about the butchers and whatever else?
There's a bunch of fancy supermarkets that have popped up selling these stuff. Go check them out.
Butchers... most people in US buy all their food, including all meat, from the supermarket.
On July 01 2012 18:00 serge wrote: I'm just going to say that none of these posters have experience with American food aside from McDonalds or places where you can get your cut of steak for $12.
There's NOTHING that comes even close to an all-American USDA-Prime cut of rib eye steak charred for 3 minutes to black and blue status on a charcoal grill. Granted this piece of meat will run you $35 if you're cooking yourself or upwards of $100 if you're getting it at a restaurant.
You haven't tasted food until you've had one of those.
On July 01 2012 17:58 Azera wrote: If I can't get some good sliced ham, bread, and vegetables, I'll be damned.
I can't begin to grasp the idea that Western countries don't have fresh meat and vegetables as well. Farmers market might be on every Sunday or so, but what about the butchers and whatever else?
it's often a quest to find good local butchers/groceries. we mostly just have franchised chain stores
Publix Krogers Save-a-lot Food Lion Wal mart
Absolutely Massive chain stores the size of small shopping malls.
As a vegetarian my primary concern is finding those asian groceries that have good fresh tofu instead of brand name stuff.
But we have local groceries/delis/butchers that are often very good and high quality, but they aren't like every block or anything (unless you are in certain parts of NY or Boston). But i've been raised in florida, where everything is super spread out.
If you go to a chain store (read non wal-mart) you can often go to a deli there and get fresh (day old not hour old like at a butcher) meat and cheese ect. and make sandwiches and it's pretty good.
BUT eating good quality food gets expensive here. If i shop at a local publix, and buy higher quality food my monthly food bill is about 200 dollars for myself, if i get the cheap food i can get by a month on only 100 dollars. and then probably 50 dollars in premade food a month either way because i enjoy a smoothie with whey protein after the gym.
Exactly the thing I was talking about! Although, since you're vegetarian, shouldn't your food costs be lower?
Also, do you eat those tofu with some egg or whatever in them? Japanese tofu, I believe. They're slightly yellow-er than the standard.
I've heard great things about Five Guys as well, although I'm obviously not going to eat there everyday.
On July 01 2012 17:58 Azera wrote: If I can't get some good sliced ham, bread, and vegetables, I'll be damned.
I can't begin to grasp the idea that Western countries don't have fresh meat and vegetables as well. Farmers market might be on every Sunday or so, but what about the butchers and whatever else?
There's a bunch of fancy supermarkets that have popped up selling these stuff. Go check them out.
Butchers... most people in US buy all their food, including all meat, from the supermarket.
Yeah, J cube, the marketplace at Paragon, etc etc.
On July 01 2012 18:00 serge wrote: I'm just going to say that none of these posters have experience with American food aside from McDonalds or places where you can get your cut of steak for $12.
There's NOTHING that comes even close to an all-American USDA-Prime cut of rib eye steak charred for 3 minutes to black and blue status on a charcoal grill. Granted this piece of meat will run you $35 if you're cooking yourself or upwards of $100 if you're getting it at a restaurant.
You haven't tasted food until you've had one of those.
You haven't tasted Singapore food.[/QUOTE]
What do you find so god-like here in Singapore that nowhere else can compete?
Actually you'd be surprised at how expensive being a vegetarian can be in the states. for instance when i buy about .2 kg of tofu it costs me 5 dollars. which puts tofu at about 10 dollars a pound for me, which is pretty expensive.
and yeah i eat dairy/eggs.
American cuisine and life is pretty much whatever you make it. I know my friends LOVE to hold cook outs and invite a dozen people over, cook good quality burgers or sausage and drink good beer and share stories and play with a couple dogs. So much so that i'm saving up for a friends birthday where i'm going to buy him a 700 dollar grill so he can hold more get togethers. Once i get to my new apartment (way better than the hellhole i live in now) i'll be doing the same w/o the dogs, and with some tofu for myself. It really depends on where you are the main type of food culture you have. Larger cities in the NE tend to have restaurant and dinner party style food culture, while the south and California (to take advantage of the good weather here) often have outdoor cooking and more casual get togethers in their food culture.
Now i have to say, the most fun i've ever had with my friends was at a barbecue of a friend who forgot i was a vegetarian and i couldn't even eat a damn thing. it didn't matter because the company and the atmosphere was so great i just drank a few beers and enjoyed the day. Hell that's the one day since my GF and i broke up a month ago that i felt comfortable all day and peaceful. I love that about florida. that culture is just so much a part of me here.
Hell Whatever you end up doing, know that in the USA, you get what you put in. if you put in little effort to experiencing the best of your town, you get shitty cheap groceries and fast food. if you try to look out for the things you want, you most likely are going to find them, provided the place you move to is large enough. a small town of 450 people isn't going to have a very diverse culture and shopping selection, though they OFTEN will have amazing butchers and local grocers. big spread out cities like jacksonville and tampa in FL, are much more reliant on the big chain stores for groceries, but they have super good ethnic grocers. here in orlando i go to a japanese grocer for my tofu, an indian grocer for rice, an italian bakery for my bread, and when i buy meat for my friends i usually ask the owners of those grocers and they point me in the right direction, according to my friends they've never been wrong. And hell, i do all this without a car which is pretty difficult in orlando, but it's just a good example of how great the area i live in is.
The culture overall where i live is often pretty relaxing and casual. I love it here.
As for 5-guys. the USA has an east coast west coast rivalry between in-and-out burger (west coast) vs five guys (east coast) as to which chain has the best burgers/fries ect.
On July 01 2012 17:58 Azera wrote: If I can't get some good sliced ham, bread, and vegetables, I'll be damned.
I can't begin to grasp the idea that Western countries don't have fresh meat and vegetables as well. Farmers market might be on every Sunday or so, but what about the butchers and whatever else?
There's a bunch of fancy supermarkets that have popped up selling these stuff. Go check them out.
Butchers... most people in US buy all their food, including all meat, from the supermarket.
Yeah, J cube, the marketplace at Paragon, etc etc.
On July 01 2012 18:00 serge wrote: I'm just going to say that none of these posters have experience with American food aside from McDonalds or places where you can get your cut of steak for $12.
There's NOTHING that comes even close to an all-American USDA-Prime cut of rib eye steak charred for 3 minutes to black and blue status on a charcoal grill. Granted this piece of meat will run you $35 if you're cooking yourself or upwards of $100 if you're getting it at a restaurant.
You haven't tasted food until you've had one of those.
You haven't tasted Singapore food.
What do you find so god-like here in Singapore that nowhere else can compete?[/QUOTE] Hawker food. Char kuay teow, hokkien mee, roti prata, chicken rice, ban mian, nasi bryani, yong tau foo, laksa... what else do you want me to name. Don't like hawker food? There's still restaurants of every kind: chinese, thai, mexican, brazilian, italian, vietnamese.....
Oh yeah. Vegetables are somehow almost as expensive as meat in the US. And the variety is extremely limited.
On July 01 2012 18:19 PrinceXizor wrote: Actually you'd be surprised at how expensive being a vegetarian can be in the states. for instance when i buy about .2 kg of tofu it costs me 5 dollars. which puts tofu at about 10 dollars a pound for me, which is pretty expensive.
and yeah i eat dairy/eggs.
American cuisine and life is pretty much whatever you make it. I know my friends LOVE to hold cook outs and invite a dozen people over, cook good quality burgers or sausage and drink good beer and share stories and play with a couple dogs. So much so that i'm saving up for a friends birthday where i'm going to buy him a 700 dollar grill so he can hold more get togethers. Once i get to my new apartment (way better than the hellhole i live in now) i'll be doing the same w/o the dogs, and with some tofu for myself. It really depends on where you are the main type of food culture you have. Larger cities in the NE tend to have restaurant and dinner party style food culture, while the south and California (to take advantage of the good weather here) often have outdoor cooking and more casual get togethers in their food culture.
Now i have to say, the most fun i've ever had with my friends was at a barbecue of a friend who forgot i was a vegetarian and i couldn't even eat a damn thing. it didn't matter because the company and the atmosphere was so great i just drank a few beers and enjoyed the day. Hell that's the one day since my GF and i broke up a month ago that i felt comfortable all day and peaceful. I love that about florida. that culture is just so much a part of me here.
Hell Whatever you end up doing, know that in the USA, you get what you put in. if you put in little effort to experiencing the best of your town, you get shitty cheap groceries and fast food. if you try to look out for the things you want, you most likely are going to find them, provided the place you move to is large enough. a small town of 450 people isn't going to have a very diverse culture and shopping selection, though they OFTEN will have amazing butchers and local grocers. big spread out cities like jacksonville and tampa in FL, are much more reliant on the big chain stores for groceries, but they have super good ethnic grocers. here in orlando i go to a japanese grocer for my tofu, an indian grocer for rice, an italian bakery for my bread, and when i buy meat for my friends i usually ask the owners of those grocers and they point me in the right direction, according to my friends they've never been wrong. And hell, i do all this without a car which is pretty difficult in orlando, but it's just a good example of how great the area i live in is.
The culture overall where i live is often pretty relaxing and casual. I love it here.
As for 5-guys. the USA has an east coast west coast rivalry between in-and-out burger (west coast) vs five guys (east coast) as to which chain has the best burgers/fries ect.
Yes, yes, YES. THIS. I love the idea of having a cook-out so much. I've had a couple in my life and it's such a great experience. Hanging back, watching the sky turn dark and the stars appear, the smell of roast meat (or vegetables since that's your thing. Rocket salad is pretty amazing) and especially with all your buddies. Nowhere in hell you can do that in Singapore without feeling hella uncomfortable because of the heat and such. Oh yeah, compare the prices of wine in Singapore and New Zealand as well.
I don't mind the idea of having to walk a few hundred metres or blocks (?) to go to the grocer or anything, I love walking everywhere.
On July 01 2012 18:20 Heh_ wrote: Oh yeah. Vegetables are somehow almost as expensive as meat in the US. And the variety is extremely limited.
Yeah it pisses me off whenever i want to buy some good peppers or non staple vegetables because if it's not in season it's pricy as hell. potatoes/carrots/lettuce/cabbage/onion/corn is pretty much universally cheap though.
EDIT: sorry about the block thing. um. it's like of a colloquialism the whole US uses and i think canada not sure though.
Like from 1 street to another is a block. so it varies from city to city. NY blocks are like 100 meters, while orlando blocks are often 300 meters. I walk about 4km once a week to get my groceries. but i don't mind since it helps me keep in shape.
but yeah florida is pretty hot in the summer, but often windy and it rains almost every afternoon in june/july so it's cloudy too. 35 degrees is the average this week here tbh. in the winter it's about 20 degrees here so thats our range. sometimes it gets below freezing in the winter, but its often a couple weeks a year at most
On July 01 2012 17:58 Azera wrote: If I can't get some good sliced ham, bread, and vegetables, I'll be damned.
I can't begin to grasp the idea that Western countries don't have fresh meat and vegetables as well. Farmers market might be on every Sunday or so, but what about the butchers and whatever else?
There's a bunch of fancy supermarkets that have popped up selling these stuff. Go check them out.
Butchers... most people in US buy all their food, including all meat, from the supermarket.
Yeah, J cube, the marketplace at Paragon, etc etc.
On July 01 2012 18:00 serge wrote: I'm just going to say that none of these posters have experience with American food aside from McDonalds or places where you can get your cut of steak for $12.
There's NOTHING that comes even close to an all-American USDA-Prime cut of rib eye steak charred for 3 minutes to black and blue status on a charcoal grill. Granted this piece of meat will run you $35 if you're cooking yourself or upwards of $100 if you're getting it at a restaurant.
You haven't tasted food until you've had one of those.
You haven't tasted Singapore food.
What do you find so god-like here in Singapore that nowhere else can compete?
Hawker food. Char kuay teow, hokkien mee, roti prata, chicken rice, ban mian, nasi bryani, yong tau foo, laksa... what else do you want me to name. Don't like hawker food? There's still restaurants of every kind: chinese, thai, mexican, brazilian, italian, vietnamese.....
Oh yeah. Vegetables are somehow almost as expensive as meat in the US. And the variety is extremely limited.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I never really eat those things. Also, you're saying that Hokkien Mee, Roti Prata, Nasi Briyani, Laksa, and Char Kuay Teow is part of your daily diet? A plate of Char Kway Teow is like eating 300g of beef.
Even though I understand that you don't eat all these things frequently, it's still not for me man. Sure I enjoy these dishes whenever I can, but my comfort 'Asian' food has always been a nice bowl of congee, salted duck eggs, and some wanton soup.
If you like cookouts, just go to college in the southern US states or california. it's pretty common in those areas among groups of friends. just be open and social and make friends and you'll be able to do it.
But moving to another country for a few years is a big commitment and you should definitely discuss it with your family. i guarantee you it's more work than the media makes it out to be. but life is pretty good here for the laid back.
I don't know why people say US food is terrible. If anything, we have the MOST variety because there's so many cultures living in a single region. At least that's how it is in California. Even most fast food places not named McDolnalds or Burger King are pretty good (In n Out, Five Guys, Chipotle, etc.).
On July 01 2012 18:37 Daozzt wrote: I don't know why people say US food is terrible. If anything, we have the MOST variety because there's so many cultures living in a single region. At least that's how it is in California. Even most fast food places not named McDolnalds or Burger King are pretty good (In n Out, Five Guys, Chipotle, etc.).
yeah it's terrible if you look purely at "american" foods and ignore the whole home cooked aspect of american food. because then all you have is jerky, fast food and cheap processed snacks. lol.
if you live in a big enough area you can pretty much have access to everything you want from around the world. i found an iranian grocer the other day and i'm so excited to go get food there. :D
also, oh god, i'm going to chipotle tomorrow. so excited.
On July 01 2012 18:37 Daozzt wrote: I don't know why people say US food is terrible. If anything, we have the MOST variety because there's so many cultures living in a single region. At least that's how it is in California. Even most fast food places not named McDolnalds or Burger King are pretty good (In n Out, Five Guys, Chipotle, etc.).
yeah it's terrible if you look purely at "american" foods and ignore the whole home cooked aspect of american food. because then all you have is jerky, fast food and cheap processed snacks. lol.
if you live in a big enough area you can pretty much have access to everything you want from around the world. i found an iranian grocer the other day and i'm so excited to go get food there. :D
Yeah I feel this is the problem with some of the responses here.
When you're homesick, all you think of is homecooked meals. Not your fancy steaks, meats, cookouts, but a nice bowl of homecooked noodles or whatnot. Then you would realize the greatness that is Singaporean food.
On July 01 2012 18:42 wbirdy wrote: When you're homesick, all you think of is homecooked meals. Not your fancy steaks, meats, cookouts, but a nice bowl of homecooked noodles or whatnot. Then you would realize the greatness that is Singaporean food.
Well i hope wherever you go you enjoy yourself and live the best you can. When you get closer to moving you should make another blog about the places you are thinking about going to get more opinions from locals.
On July 01 2012 18:44 PrinceXizor wrote: Well i hope wherever you go you enjoy yourself and live the best you can. When you get closer to moving you should make another blog about the places you are thinking about going to get more opinions from locals.
Yeah, hopefully TL will still be as vibrant as ever
On July 01 2012 18:47 PrinceXizor wrote: *sigh* this dumb blog makes me miss my friends and want to have a barbecue. lol
Host one and take plenty of pictures, then we can all live vicariously through you :D
too many important things to do right now.
<1 month until i'm homeless, have to find a new place to live. <2 months until i run out of money, have to find a job. Have to go back to the gym now that my knee is better ect ect ect.
On July 01 2012 18:47 PrinceXizor wrote: *sigh* this dumb blog makes me miss my friends and want to have a barbecue. lol
Host one and take plenty of pictures, then we can all live vicariously through you :D
too many important things to do right now.
<1 month until i'm homeless, have to find a new place to live. <2 months until i run out of money, have to find a job. Have to go back to the gym now that my knee is better ect ect ect.
On July 01 2012 18:47 PrinceXizor wrote: *sigh* this dumb blog makes me miss my friends and want to have a barbecue. lol
Host one and take plenty of pictures, then we can all live vicariously through you :D
too many important things to do right now.
<1 month until i'm homeless, have to find a new place to live. <2 months until i run out of money, have to find a job. Have to go back to the gym now that my knee is better ect ect ect.
Good luck!
If you wanna live overseas, this is the reality that you'll face. Unless you parents are swimming in millions at their disposal.
If you're dead set on the food in the US and Canada (seriously...), do so for undergrad. As I've said, get good grades and get a scholarship. Easiest ticket out of Singapore. Then you'll understand why they say the grass is always greener on the other side.
On July 01 2012 18:47 PrinceXizor wrote: *sigh* this dumb blog makes me miss my friends and want to have a barbecue. lol
Host one and take plenty of pictures, then we can all live vicariously through you :D
too many important things to do right now.
<1 month until i'm homeless, have to find a new place to live. <2 months until i run out of money, have to find a job. Have to go back to the gym now that my knee is better ect ect ect.
Good luck!
If you wanna live overseas, this is the reality that you'll face. Unless you parents are swimming in millions at their disposal.
If you're dead set on the food in the US and Canada (seriously...), do so for undergrad. As I've said, get good grades and get a scholarship. Easiest ticket out of Singapore. Then you'll understand why they say the grass is always greener on the other side.
Eh, maybe. You sound like you're being condescending about the idea of moving to US or Canada. You seem to let your own preferences leak over =S
On July 01 2012 19:06 Azera wrote:Eh, maybe. You sound like you're being condescending about the idea of moving to US or Canada. You seem to let your own preferences leak over =S
Don't listen to haters. Get a degree in chemical engineering/similarly well-compensated engineering field like petroleum/mining engineering in US and the only hard work you'll have to do is in school. Then you can scoff at people on TL and their employment/money issues.
On July 01 2012 18:37 Daozzt wrote: Even most fast food places not named McDolnalds or Burger King are pretty good (In n Out, Five Guys, Chipotle, etc.).
yeah, no. i tried chipotle when i was over there because of how amazing everyone said it was and it was trash.
and the whole variety thing isn't a very smart argument, don't go to the us to eat asian/south american/european food, it does exist but it'll never be as good as the real ones.
On July 01 2012 18:47 PrinceXizor wrote: *sigh* this dumb blog makes me miss my friends and want to have a barbecue. lol
Host one and take plenty of pictures, then we can all live vicariously through you :D
too many important things to do right now.
<1 month until i'm homeless, have to find a new place to live. <2 months until i run out of money, have to find a job. Have to go back to the gym now that my knee is better ect ect ect.
Good luck!
If you wanna live overseas, this is the reality that you'll face. Unless you parents are swimming in millions at their disposal.
If you're dead set on the food in the US and Canada (seriously...), do so for undergrad. As I've said, get good grades and get a scholarship. Easiest ticket out of Singapore. Then you'll understand why they say the grass is always greener on the other side.
Eh, maybe. You sound like you're being condescending about the idea of moving to US or Canada. You seem to let your own preferences leak over =S
As I've said, I've been in the US for a year, gonna be there for at least 5 more years. NC to be precise. As I've said, typical American food is pizza, fried chicken and burgers washed down with soda (soft drinks)... there's nothing really special about it. Then you have crappy imitations of Asian food stuffed with MSG and cornstarch in some brown gooey liquid. Obviously there's still nice eating places around, but there's plenty in SG.
On July 01 2012 18:47 PrinceXizor wrote: *sigh* this dumb blog makes me miss my friends and want to have a barbecue. lol
Host one and take plenty of pictures, then we can all live vicariously through you :D
too many important things to do right now.
<1 month until i'm homeless, have to find a new place to live. <2 months until i run out of money, have to find a job. Have to go back to the gym now that my knee is better ect ect ect.
Good luck!
If you wanna live overseas, this is the reality that you'll face. Unless you parents are swimming in millions at their disposal.
If you're dead set on the food in the US and Canada (seriously...), do so for undergrad. As I've said, get good grades and get a scholarship. Easiest ticket out of Singapore. Then you'll understand why they say the grass is always greener on the other side.
Eh, maybe. You sound like you're being condescending about the idea of moving to US or Canada. You seem to let your own preferences leak over =S
I only have these problems because i gave up my scholarship for a very sad reason. I thought it was worth it to give up my scholarship to school to help the girl i loved through a hard time in her life, that relationship didn't work out.
but yeah it's definitely work when your poor here. I actually won't have any of these problems if i ask my family for help, but i'm stubborn. I still enjoy life though. but i like this culture, if you don't like the culture you are probable going to be miserable, and i guarantee America sucks until you get friends.
On July 01 2012 18:47 PrinceXizor wrote: *sigh* this dumb blog makes me miss my friends and want to have a barbecue. lol
Host one and take plenty of pictures, then we can all live vicariously through you :D
too many important things to do right now.
<1 month until i'm homeless, have to find a new place to live. <2 months until i run out of money, have to find a job. Have to go back to the gym now that my knee is better ect ect ect.
Good luck!
If you wanna live overseas, this is the reality that you'll face. Unless you parents are swimming in millions at their disposal.
If you're dead set on the food in the US and Canada (seriously...), do so for undergrad. As I've said, get good grades and get a scholarship. Easiest ticket out of Singapore. Then you'll understand why they say the grass is always greener on the other side.
Eh, maybe. You sound like you're being condescending about the idea of moving to US or Canada. You seem to let your own preferences leak over =S
As I've said, I've been in the US for a year, gonna be there for at least 5 more years. NC to be precise. As I've said, typical American food is pizza, fried chicken and burgers washed down with soda (soft drinks)... there's nothing really special about it. Then you have crappy imitations of Asian food stuffed with MSG and cornstarch in some brown gooey liquid. Obviously there's still nice eating places around, but there's plenty in SG.
There's your problem. Seems like you're not making an effort to look.
On July 01 2012 18:47 PrinceXizor wrote: *sigh* this dumb blog makes me miss my friends and want to have a barbecue. lol
Host one and take plenty of pictures, then we can all live vicariously through you :D
too many important things to do right now.
<1 month until i'm homeless, have to find a new place to live. <2 months until i run out of money, have to find a job. Have to go back to the gym now that my knee is better ect ect ect.
Good luck!
If you wanna live overseas, this is the reality that you'll face. Unless you parents are swimming in millions at their disposal.
If you're dead set on the food in the US and Canada (seriously...), do so for undergrad. As I've said, get good grades and get a scholarship. Easiest ticket out of Singapore. Then you'll understand why they say the grass is always greener on the other side.
Eh, maybe. You sound like you're being condescending about the idea of moving to US or Canada. You seem to let your own preferences leak over =S
I only have these problems because i gave up my scholarship for a very sad reason. I thought it was worth it to give up my scholarship to school to help the girl i loved through a hard time in her life, that relationship didn't work out.
but yeah it's definitely work when your poor here. I actually won't have any of these problems if i ask my family for help, but i'm stubborn. I still enjoy life though. but i like this culture, if you don't like the culture you are probable going to be miserable, and i guarantee America sucks until you get friends.
I'm sorry, if that helps. I hope you find a solution to all your problems.
On July 01 2012 18:47 PrinceXizor wrote: *sigh* this dumb blog makes me miss my friends and want to have a barbecue. lol
Host one and take plenty of pictures, then we can all live vicariously through you :D
too many important things to do right now.
<1 month until i'm homeless, have to find a new place to live. <2 months until i run out of money, have to find a job. Have to go back to the gym now that my knee is better ect ect ect.
Good luck!
If you wanna live overseas, this is the reality that you'll face. Unless you parents are swimming in millions at their disposal.
If you're dead set on the food in the US and Canada (seriously...), do so for undergrad. As I've said, get good grades and get a scholarship. Easiest ticket out of Singapore. Then you'll understand why they say the grass is always greener on the other side.
Eh, maybe. You sound like you're being condescending about the idea of moving to US or Canada. You seem to let your own preferences leak over =S
As I've said, I've been in the US for a year, gonna be there for at least 5 more years. NC to be precise. As I've said, typical American food is pizza, fried chicken and burgers washed down with soda (soft drinks)... there's nothing really special about it. Then you have crappy imitations of Asian food stuffed with MSG and cornstarch in some brown gooey liquid. Obviously there's still nice eating places around, but there's plenty in SG.
There's your problem. Seems like you're not making an effort to look.
I barely eat it. I cook for myself to keep costs down, and I'm usually cooking chinese food (rice + dishes) but I can just about cook anything I feel like. Come over here, you'll see a huge number of people eating these stuff day in, day out.
On July 01 2012 18:47 PrinceXizor wrote: *sigh* this dumb blog makes me miss my friends and want to have a barbecue. lol
Host one and take plenty of pictures, then we can all live vicariously through you :D
too many important things to do right now.
<1 month until i'm homeless, have to find a new place to live. <2 months until i run out of money, have to find a job. Have to go back to the gym now that my knee is better ect ect ect.
Good luck!
If you wanna live overseas, this is the reality that you'll face. Unless you parents are swimming in millions at their disposal.
If you're dead set on the food in the US and Canada (seriously...), do so for undergrad. As I've said, get good grades and get a scholarship. Easiest ticket out of Singapore. Then you'll understand why they say the grass is always greener on the other side.
Eh, maybe. You sound like you're being condescending about the idea of moving to US or Canada. You seem to let your own preferences leak over =S
As I've said, I've been in the US for a year, gonna be there for at least 5 more years. NC to be precise. As I've said, typical American food is pizza, fried chicken and burgers washed down with soda (soft drinks)... there's nothing really special about it. Then you have crappy imitations of Asian food stuffed with MSG and cornstarch in some brown gooey liquid. Obviously there's still nice eating places around, but there's plenty in SG.
There's your problem. Seems like you're not making an effort to look.
yeah, then american food is a fat slab of meat with an exaggerated amount of salt and sauce and whatnot
if you enjoy it, sure, america is pretty cool. however, that is not good food, especially not when compared to all of the flavour you can find in asian cuisine
On July 01 2012 18:47 PrinceXizor wrote: *sigh* this dumb blog makes me miss my friends and want to have a barbecue. lol
Host one and take plenty of pictures, then we can all live vicariously through you :D
too many important things to do right now.
<1 month until i'm homeless, have to find a new place to live. <2 months until i run out of money, have to find a job. Have to go back to the gym now that my knee is better ect ect ect.
Good luck!
If you wanna live overseas, this is the reality that you'll face. Unless you parents are swimming in millions at their disposal.
If you're dead set on the food in the US and Canada (seriously...), do so for undergrad. As I've said, get good grades and get a scholarship. Easiest ticket out of Singapore. Then you'll understand why they say the grass is always greener on the other side.
Eh, maybe. You sound like you're being condescending about the idea of moving to US or Canada. You seem to let your own preferences leak over =S
As I've said, I've been in the US for a year, gonna be there for at least 5 more years. NC to be precise. As I've said, typical American food is pizza, fried chicken and burgers washed down with soda (soft drinks)... there's nothing really special about it. Then you have crappy imitations of Asian food stuffed with MSG and cornstarch in some brown gooey liquid. Obviously there's still nice eating places around, but there's plenty in SG.
There's your problem. Seems like you're not making an effort to look.
I barely eat it. I cook for myself to keep costs down, and I'm usually cooking chinese food (rice + dishes) but I can just about cook anything I feel like. Come over here, you'll see a huge number of people eating these stuff day in, day out.
I don't get it. So what if people eat those things? Just because they do doesn't mean I have to.
On July 01 2012 18:47 PrinceXizor wrote: *sigh* this dumb blog makes me miss my friends and want to have a barbecue. lol
Host one and take plenty of pictures, then we can all live vicariously through you :D
too many important things to do right now.
<1 month until i'm homeless, have to find a new place to live. <2 months until i run out of money, have to find a job. Have to go back to the gym now that my knee is better ect ect ect.
Good luck!
If you wanna live overseas, this is the reality that you'll face. Unless you parents are swimming in millions at their disposal.
If you're dead set on the food in the US and Canada (seriously...), do so for undergrad. As I've said, get good grades and get a scholarship. Easiest ticket out of Singapore. Then you'll understand why they say the grass is always greener on the other side.
Eh, maybe. You sound like you're being condescending about the idea of moving to US or Canada. You seem to let your own preferences leak over =S
As I've said, I've been in the US for a year, gonna be there for at least 5 more years. NC to be precise. As I've said, typical American food is pizza, fried chicken and burgers washed down with soda (soft drinks)... there's nothing really special about it. Then you have crappy imitations of Asian food stuffed with MSG and cornstarch in some brown gooey liquid. Obviously there's still nice eating places around, but there's plenty in SG.
There's your problem. Seems like you're not making an effort to look.
yeah, then american food is a fat slab of meat with an exaggerated amount of salt and sauce and whatnot
if you enjoy it, sure, america is pretty cool. however, that is not good food, especially not when compared to all of the flavour you can find in asian cuisine
On July 01 2012 18:47 PrinceXizor wrote: *sigh* this dumb blog makes me miss my friends and want to have a barbecue. lol
Host one and take plenty of pictures, then we can all live vicariously through you :D
too many important things to do right now.
<1 month until i'm homeless, have to find a new place to live. <2 months until i run out of money, have to find a job. Have to go back to the gym now that my knee is better ect ect ect.
Good luck!
If you wanna live overseas, this is the reality that you'll face. Unless you parents are swimming in millions at their disposal.
If you're dead set on the food in the US and Canada (seriously...), do so for undergrad. As I've said, get good grades and get a scholarship. Easiest ticket out of Singapore. Then you'll understand why they say the grass is always greener on the other side.
Eh, maybe. You sound like you're being condescending about the idea of moving to US or Canada. You seem to let your own preferences leak over =S
As I've said, I've been in the US for a year, gonna be there for at least 5 more years. NC to be precise. As I've said, typical American food is pizza, fried chicken and burgers washed down with soda (soft drinks)... there's nothing really special about it. Then you have crappy imitations of Asian food stuffed with MSG and cornstarch in some brown gooey liquid. Obviously there's still nice eating places around, but there's plenty in SG.
There's your problem. Seems like you're not making an effort to look.
I barely eat it. I cook for myself to keep costs down, and I'm usually cooking chinese food (rice + dishes) but I can just about cook anything I feel like. Come over here, you'll see a huge number of people eating these stuff day in, day out.
I don't get it. So what if people eat those things? Just because they do doesn't mean I have to.
On July 01 2012 18:47 PrinceXizor wrote: *sigh* this dumb blog makes me miss my friends and want to have a barbecue. lol
Host one and take plenty of pictures, then we can all live vicariously through you :D
too many important things to do right now.
<1 month until i'm homeless, have to find a new place to live. <2 months until i run out of money, have to find a job. Have to go back to the gym now that my knee is better ect ect ect.
Good luck!
If you wanna live overseas, this is the reality that you'll face. Unless you parents are swimming in millions at their disposal.
If you're dead set on the food in the US and Canada (seriously...), do so for undergrad. As I've said, get good grades and get a scholarship. Easiest ticket out of Singapore. Then you'll understand why they say the grass is always greener on the other side.
Eh, maybe. You sound like you're being condescending about the idea of moving to US or Canada. You seem to let your own preferences leak over =S
As I've said, I've been in the US for a year, gonna be there for at least 5 more years. NC to be precise. As I've said, typical American food is pizza, fried chicken and burgers washed down with soda (soft drinks)... there's nothing really special about it. Then you have crappy imitations of Asian food stuffed with MSG and cornstarch in some brown gooey liquid. Obviously there's still nice eating places around, but there's plenty in SG.
There's your problem. Seems like you're not making an effort to look.
yeah, then american food is a fat slab of meat with an exaggerated amount of salt and sauce and whatnot
if you enjoy it, sure, america is pretty cool. however, that is not good food, especially not when compared to all of the flavour you can find in asian cuisine
Your ignorance is overwhelming.
yes, i'm sure some kid from sg who has never been to america knows more about its food than someone who lived there
please do tell me about this wonderful american cuisine you seem to know so much about
Host one and take plenty of pictures, then we can all live vicariously through you :D
too many important things to do right now.
<1 month until i'm homeless, have to find a new place to live. <2 months until i run out of money, have to find a job. Have to go back to the gym now that my knee is better ect ect ect.
Good luck!
If you wanna live overseas, this is the reality that you'll face. Unless you parents are swimming in millions at their disposal.
If you're dead set on the food in the US and Canada (seriously...), do so for undergrad. As I've said, get good grades and get a scholarship. Easiest ticket out of Singapore. Then you'll understand why they say the grass is always greener on the other side.
Eh, maybe. You sound like you're being condescending about the idea of moving to US or Canada. You seem to let your own preferences leak over =S
As I've said, I've been in the US for a year, gonna be there for at least 5 more years. NC to be precise. As I've said, typical American food is pizza, fried chicken and burgers washed down with soda (soft drinks)... there's nothing really special about it. Then you have crappy imitations of Asian food stuffed with MSG and cornstarch in some brown gooey liquid. Obviously there's still nice eating places around, but there's plenty in SG.
There's your problem. Seems like you're not making an effort to look.
I barely eat it. I cook for myself to keep costs down, and I'm usually cooking chinese food (rice + dishes) but I can just about cook anything I feel like. Come over here, you'll see a huge number of people eating these stuff day in, day out.
I don't get it. So what if people eat those things? Just because they do doesn't mean I have to.
On July 01 2012 19:19 mcimba42 wrote:
On July 01 2012 19:14 Azera wrote:
On July 01 2012 19:13 Heh_ wrote:
On July 01 2012 19:06 Azera wrote:
On July 01 2012 19:04 Heh_ wrote:
On July 01 2012 18:52 Azera wrote:
On July 01 2012 18:51 PrinceXizor wrote:
On July 01 2012 18:47 Azera wrote: [quote]
Host one and take plenty of pictures, then we can all live vicariously through you :D
too many important things to do right now.
<1 month until i'm homeless, have to find a new place to live. <2 months until i run out of money, have to find a job. Have to go back to the gym now that my knee is better ect ect ect.
Good luck!
If you wanna live overseas, this is the reality that you'll face. Unless you parents are swimming in millions at their disposal.
If you're dead set on the food in the US and Canada (seriously...), do so for undergrad. As I've said, get good grades and get a scholarship. Easiest ticket out of Singapore. Then you'll understand why they say the grass is always greener on the other side.
Eh, maybe. You sound like you're being condescending about the idea of moving to US or Canada. You seem to let your own preferences leak over =S
As I've said, I've been in the US for a year, gonna be there for at least 5 more years. NC to be precise. As I've said, typical American food is pizza, fried chicken and burgers washed down with soda (soft drinks)... there's nothing really special about it. Then you have crappy imitations of Asian food stuffed with MSG and cornstarch in some brown gooey liquid. Obviously there's still nice eating places around, but there's plenty in SG.
There's your problem. Seems like you're not making an effort to look.
yeah, then american food is a fat slab of meat with an exaggerated amount of salt and sauce and whatnot
if you enjoy it, sure, america is pretty cool. however, that is not good food, especially not when compared to all of the flavour you can find in asian cuisine
Your ignorance is overwhelming.
yes, i'm sure some kid from sg who has never been to america knows more about its food than someone who lived there
please do tell me about this wonderful american cuisine you seem to know so much about
Right, I've been to Alaska, San Fran, California, and Orlando. Since you live there, I assume that you should also know what the fuck you're talking about.
On July 01 2012 18:51 PrinceXizor wrote: [quote] too many important things to do right now.
<1 month until i'm homeless, have to find a new place to live. <2 months until i run out of money, have to find a job. Have to go back to the gym now that my knee is better ect ect ect.
Good luck!
If you wanna live overseas, this is the reality that you'll face. Unless you parents are swimming in millions at their disposal.
If you're dead set on the food in the US and Canada (seriously...), do so for undergrad. As I've said, get good grades and get a scholarship. Easiest ticket out of Singapore. Then you'll understand why they say the grass is always greener on the other side.
Eh, maybe. You sound like you're being condescending about the idea of moving to US or Canada. You seem to let your own preferences leak over =S
As I've said, I've been in the US for a year, gonna be there for at least 5 more years. NC to be precise. As I've said, typical American food is pizza, fried chicken and burgers washed down with soda (soft drinks)... there's nothing really special about it. Then you have crappy imitations of Asian food stuffed with MSG and cornstarch in some brown gooey liquid. Obviously there's still nice eating places around, but there's plenty in SG.
There's your problem. Seems like you're not making an effort to look.
I barely eat it. I cook for myself to keep costs down, and I'm usually cooking chinese food (rice + dishes) but I can just about cook anything I feel like. Come over here, you'll see a huge number of people eating these stuff day in, day out.
I don't get it. So what if people eat those things? Just because they do doesn't mean I have to.
On July 01 2012 19:19 mcimba42 wrote:
On July 01 2012 19:14 Azera wrote:
On July 01 2012 19:13 Heh_ wrote:
On July 01 2012 19:06 Azera wrote:
On July 01 2012 19:04 Heh_ wrote:
On July 01 2012 18:52 Azera wrote:
On July 01 2012 18:51 PrinceXizor wrote: [quote] too many important things to do right now.
<1 month until i'm homeless, have to find a new place to live. <2 months until i run out of money, have to find a job. Have to go back to the gym now that my knee is better ect ect ect.
Good luck!
If you wanna live overseas, this is the reality that you'll face. Unless you parents are swimming in millions at their disposal.
If you're dead set on the food in the US and Canada (seriously...), do so for undergrad. As I've said, get good grades and get a scholarship. Easiest ticket out of Singapore. Then you'll understand why they say the grass is always greener on the other side.
Eh, maybe. You sound like you're being condescending about the idea of moving to US or Canada. You seem to let your own preferences leak over =S
As I've said, I've been in the US for a year, gonna be there for at least 5 more years. NC to be precise. As I've said, typical American food is pizza, fried chicken and burgers washed down with soda (soft drinks)... there's nothing really special about it. Then you have crappy imitations of Asian food stuffed with MSG and cornstarch in some brown gooey liquid. Obviously there's still nice eating places around, but there's plenty in SG.
There's your problem. Seems like you're not making an effort to look.
yeah, then american food is a fat slab of meat with an exaggerated amount of salt and sauce and whatnot
if you enjoy it, sure, america is pretty cool. however, that is not good food, especially not when compared to all of the flavour you can find in asian cuisine
Your ignorance is overwhelming.
yes, i'm sure some kid from sg who has never been to america knows more about its food than someone who lived there
please do tell me about this wonderful american cuisine you seem to know so much about
Right, I've been to Alaska, San Fran, California, and Orlando. Since you live there, I assume that you should also know what the fuck you're talking about.
If you can eat whatever American-ish food you're craving everyday, for several years or even your entire life, then go ahead. I'll say it again: Eating during a holiday and eating as a resident are really different.
I have hundreds of Singaporean friends who've studied overseas, and all of them miss Singapore food. Even the locals who've been to Singapore also love Singaporean food.
i honestly haven't seen anything other than the fact that you can find tons of food from outside of america, which is not a good reason to go to america.
On July 01 2012 19:34 mcimba42 wrote: i honestly haven't seen anything other than the fact that you can find tons of food from outside of america, which is not a good reason to go to america.
On July 01 2012 18:37 Daozzt wrote: Even most fast food places not named McDolnalds or Burger King are pretty good (In n Out, Five Guys, Chipotle, etc.).
yeah, no. i tried chipotle when i was over there because of how amazing everyone said it was and it was trash.
and the whole variety thing isn't a very smart argument, don't go to the us to eat asian/south american/european food, it does exist but it'll never be as good as the real ones.
Chipotle's trash? You're honestly the first person I've heard that from, online and in real life. Unless you plan on eating 30$ restaurant dinners everyday or have extremely high standards, I would not judge any country's cuisine. If you're looking for casual meals or fast food, there's no place with more variety than US for meals under <10$.
There's a reason variety exists regardless of quality-- people don't enjoy eating the same shit everyday. If you go to America just to eat burgers all the time, well, I feel sorry for you. Better go to Europe where you can dine on that nice French cuisine for 30 euros a meal.
If you wanna live overseas, this is the reality that you'll face. Unless you parents are swimming in millions at their disposal.
If you're dead set on the food in the US and Canada (seriously...), do so for undergrad. As I've said, get good grades and get a scholarship. Easiest ticket out of Singapore. Then you'll understand why they say the grass is always greener on the other side.
Eh, maybe. You sound like you're being condescending about the idea of moving to US or Canada. You seem to let your own preferences leak over =S
As I've said, I've been in the US for a year, gonna be there for at least 5 more years. NC to be precise. As I've said, typical American food is pizza, fried chicken and burgers washed down with soda (soft drinks)... there's nothing really special about it. Then you have crappy imitations of Asian food stuffed with MSG and cornstarch in some brown gooey liquid. Obviously there's still nice eating places around, but there's plenty in SG.
There's your problem. Seems like you're not making an effort to look.
I barely eat it. I cook for myself to keep costs down, and I'm usually cooking chinese food (rice + dishes) but I can just about cook anything I feel like. Come over here, you'll see a huge number of people eating these stuff day in, day out.
I don't get it. So what if people eat those things? Just because they do doesn't mean I have to.
On July 01 2012 19:19 mcimba42 wrote:
On July 01 2012 19:14 Azera wrote:
On July 01 2012 19:13 Heh_ wrote:
On July 01 2012 19:06 Azera wrote:
On July 01 2012 19:04 Heh_ wrote:
On July 01 2012 18:52 Azera wrote: [quote]
Good luck!
If you wanna live overseas, this is the reality that you'll face. Unless you parents are swimming in millions at their disposal.
If you're dead set on the food in the US and Canada (seriously...), do so for undergrad. As I've said, get good grades and get a scholarship. Easiest ticket out of Singapore. Then you'll understand why they say the grass is always greener on the other side.
Eh, maybe. You sound like you're being condescending about the idea of moving to US or Canada. You seem to let your own preferences leak over =S
As I've said, I've been in the US for a year, gonna be there for at least 5 more years. NC to be precise. As I've said, typical American food is pizza, fried chicken and burgers washed down with soda (soft drinks)... there's nothing really special about it. Then you have crappy imitations of Asian food stuffed with MSG and cornstarch in some brown gooey liquid. Obviously there's still nice eating places around, but there's plenty in SG.
There's your problem. Seems like you're not making an effort to look.
yeah, then american food is a fat slab of meat with an exaggerated amount of salt and sauce and whatnot
if you enjoy it, sure, america is pretty cool. however, that is not good food, especially not when compared to all of the flavour you can find in asian cuisine
Your ignorance is overwhelming.
yes, i'm sure some kid from sg who has never been to america knows more about its food than someone who lived there
please do tell me about this wonderful american cuisine you seem to know so much about
Right, I've been to Alaska, San Fran, California, and Orlando. Since you live there, I assume that you should also know what the fuck you're talking about.
If you can eat whatever American-ish food you're craving everyday, for several years or even your entire life, then go ahead. I'll say it again: Eating during a holiday and eating as a resident are really different.
I have hundreds of Singaporean friends who've studied overseas, and all of them miss Singapore food. Even the locals who've been to Singapore also love Singaporean food.
On July 01 2012 19:04 Heh_ wrote: [quote] If you wanna live overseas, this is the reality that you'll face. Unless you parents are swimming in millions at their disposal.
If you're dead set on the food in the US and Canada (seriously...), do so for undergrad. As I've said, get good grades and get a scholarship. Easiest ticket out of Singapore. Then you'll understand why they say the grass is always greener on the other side.
Eh, maybe. You sound like you're being condescending about the idea of moving to US or Canada. You seem to let your own preferences leak over =S
As I've said, I've been in the US for a year, gonna be there for at least 5 more years. NC to be precise. As I've said, typical American food is pizza, fried chicken and burgers washed down with soda (soft drinks)... there's nothing really special about it. Then you have crappy imitations of Asian food stuffed with MSG and cornstarch in some brown gooey liquid. Obviously there's still nice eating places around, but there's plenty in SG.
There's your problem. Seems like you're not making an effort to look.
I barely eat it. I cook for myself to keep costs down, and I'm usually cooking chinese food (rice + dishes) but I can just about cook anything I feel like. Come over here, you'll see a huge number of people eating these stuff day in, day out.
I don't get it. So what if people eat those things? Just because they do doesn't mean I have to.
On July 01 2012 19:19 mcimba42 wrote:
On July 01 2012 19:14 Azera wrote:
On July 01 2012 19:13 Heh_ wrote:
On July 01 2012 19:06 Azera wrote:
On July 01 2012 19:04 Heh_ wrote: [quote] If you wanna live overseas, this is the reality that you'll face. Unless you parents are swimming in millions at their disposal.
If you're dead set on the food in the US and Canada (seriously...), do so for undergrad. As I've said, get good grades and get a scholarship. Easiest ticket out of Singapore. Then you'll understand why they say the grass is always greener on the other side.
Eh, maybe. You sound like you're being condescending about the idea of moving to US or Canada. You seem to let your own preferences leak over =S
As I've said, I've been in the US for a year, gonna be there for at least 5 more years. NC to be precise. As I've said, typical American food is pizza, fried chicken and burgers washed down with soda (soft drinks)... there's nothing really special about it. Then you have crappy imitations of Asian food stuffed with MSG and cornstarch in some brown gooey liquid. Obviously there's still nice eating places around, but there's plenty in SG.
There's your problem. Seems like you're not making an effort to look.
yeah, then american food is a fat slab of meat with an exaggerated amount of salt and sauce and whatnot
if you enjoy it, sure, america is pretty cool. however, that is not good food, especially not when compared to all of the flavour you can find in asian cuisine
Your ignorance is overwhelming.
yes, i'm sure some kid from sg who has never been to america knows more about its food than someone who lived there
please do tell me about this wonderful american cuisine you seem to know so much about
Right, I've been to Alaska, San Fran, California, and Orlando. Since you live there, I assume that you should also know what the fuck you're talking about.
If you can eat whatever American-ish food you're craving everyday, for several years or even your entire life, then go ahead. I'll say it again: Eating during a holiday and eating as a resident are really different.
I have hundreds of Singaporean friends who've studied overseas, and all of them miss Singapore food. Even the locals who've been to Singapore also love Singaporean food.
To each his own
You asked how the US and Canada are like, focusing only on food. People gave you their opinions, and you dismissed everything that didn't agree with the picture you had of North America. Yeah, to each his own, but if you're going to ask for opinions, be prepared to accept them.
On July 01 2012 18:37 Daozzt wrote: Even most fast food places not named McDolnalds or Burger King are pretty good (In n Out, Five Guys, Chipotle, etc.).
yeah, no. i tried chipotle when i was over there because of how amazing everyone said it was and it was trash.
and the whole variety thing isn't a very smart argument, don't go to the us to eat asian/south american/european food, it does exist but it'll never be as good as the real ones.
Chipotle's trash? You're honestly the first person I've heard that from, online and in real life. Unless you plan on eating 30$ restaurant dinners everyday or have extremely high standards, I would not judge any country's cuisine. If you're looking for casual meals or fast food, there's no place with more variety than US for meals under <10$.
There's a reason variety exists regardless of quality-- people don't enjoy eating the same shit everyday. If you go to America just to eat burgers all the time, well, I feel sorry for you. Better go to Europe where you can dine on that nice French cuisine for 30 euros a meal.
i had no idea we were discussing trash "food" for college kids
nvm then, my standards are apparently too high for this discussion, keep eating your delicious concentrated grease
Eh, maybe. You sound like you're being condescending about the idea of moving to US or Canada. You seem to let your own preferences leak over =S
As I've said, I've been in the US for a year, gonna be there for at least 5 more years. NC to be precise. As I've said, typical American food is pizza, fried chicken and burgers washed down with soda (soft drinks)... there's nothing really special about it. Then you have crappy imitations of Asian food stuffed with MSG and cornstarch in some brown gooey liquid. Obviously there's still nice eating places around, but there's plenty in SG.
There's your problem. Seems like you're not making an effort to look.
I barely eat it. I cook for myself to keep costs down, and I'm usually cooking chinese food (rice + dishes) but I can just about cook anything I feel like. Come over here, you'll see a huge number of people eating these stuff day in, day out.
I don't get it. So what if people eat those things? Just because they do doesn't mean I have to.
On July 01 2012 19:19 mcimba42 wrote:
On July 01 2012 19:14 Azera wrote:
On July 01 2012 19:13 Heh_ wrote:
On July 01 2012 19:06 Azera wrote: [quote]
Eh, maybe. You sound like you're being condescending about the idea of moving to US or Canada. You seem to let your own preferences leak over =S
As I've said, I've been in the US for a year, gonna be there for at least 5 more years. NC to be precise. As I've said, typical American food is pizza, fried chicken and burgers washed down with soda (soft drinks)... there's nothing really special about it. Then you have crappy imitations of Asian food stuffed with MSG and cornstarch in some brown gooey liquid. Obviously there's still nice eating places around, but there's plenty in SG.
There's your problem. Seems like you're not making an effort to look.
yeah, then american food is a fat slab of meat with an exaggerated amount of salt and sauce and whatnot
if you enjoy it, sure, america is pretty cool. however, that is not good food, especially not when compared to all of the flavour you can find in asian cuisine
Your ignorance is overwhelming.
yes, i'm sure some kid from sg who has never been to america knows more about its food than someone who lived there
please do tell me about this wonderful american cuisine you seem to know so much about
Right, I've been to Alaska, San Fran, California, and Orlando. Since you live there, I assume that you should also know what the fuck you're talking about.
If you can eat whatever American-ish food you're craving everyday, for several years or even your entire life, then go ahead. I'll say it again: Eating during a holiday and eating as a resident are really different.
I have hundreds of Singaporean friends who've studied overseas, and all of them miss Singapore food. Even the locals who've been to Singapore also love Singaporean food.
To each his own
You asked how the US and Canada are like, focusing only on food. People gave you their opinions, and you dismissed everything that didn't agree with the picture you had of North America. Yeah, to each his own, but if you're going to ask for opinions, be prepared to accept them.
Dismissed? No. Did I agree that NA might not be the all I made it out to be? I did. I understand where you're coming from. Sure, it's expensive to get good food at restaurants. Have any of you provided conclusive proof that the products you get from grocers are god-awful and genetically modified? No. Are all your comments substantiated? No.
All I've heard from you is the usual rant that American food like fried chicken, pizza, etc. is bad for you. Who doesn't know that?
On July 01 2012 19:13 Heh_ wrote: [quote] As I've said, I've been in the US for a year, gonna be there for at least 5 more years. NC to be precise. As I've said, typical American food is pizza, fried chicken and burgers washed down with soda (soft drinks)... there's nothing really special about it. Then you have crappy imitations of Asian food stuffed with MSG and cornstarch in some brown gooey liquid. Obviously there's still nice eating places around, but there's plenty in SG.
There's your problem. Seems like you're not making an effort to look.
I barely eat it. I cook for myself to keep costs down, and I'm usually cooking chinese food (rice + dishes) but I can just about cook anything I feel like. Come over here, you'll see a huge number of people eating these stuff day in, day out.
I don't get it. So what if people eat those things? Just because they do doesn't mean I have to.
On July 01 2012 19:19 mcimba42 wrote:
On July 01 2012 19:14 Azera wrote:
On July 01 2012 19:13 Heh_ wrote: [quote] As I've said, I've been in the US for a year, gonna be there for at least 5 more years. NC to be precise. As I've said, typical American food is pizza, fried chicken and burgers washed down with soda (soft drinks)... there's nothing really special about it. Then you have crappy imitations of Asian food stuffed with MSG and cornstarch in some brown gooey liquid. Obviously there's still nice eating places around, but there's plenty in SG.
There's your problem. Seems like you're not making an effort to look.
yeah, then american food is a fat slab of meat with an exaggerated amount of salt and sauce and whatnot
if you enjoy it, sure, america is pretty cool. however, that is not good food, especially not when compared to all of the flavour you can find in asian cuisine
Your ignorance is overwhelming.
yes, i'm sure some kid from sg who has never been to america knows more about its food than someone who lived there
please do tell me about this wonderful american cuisine you seem to know so much about
Right, I've been to Alaska, San Fran, California, and Orlando. Since you live there, I assume that you should also know what the fuck you're talking about.
If you can eat whatever American-ish food you're craving everyday, for several years or even your entire life, then go ahead. I'll say it again: Eating during a holiday and eating as a resident are really different.
I have hundreds of Singaporean friends who've studied overseas, and all of them miss Singapore food. Even the locals who've been to Singapore also love Singaporean food.
To each his own
You asked how the US and Canada are like, focusing only on food. People gave you their opinions, and you dismissed everything that didn't agree with the picture you had of North America. Yeah, to each his own, but if you're going to ask for opinions, be prepared to accept them.
Dismissed? No. Did I agree that NA might not be the all I made it out to be? I did. I understand where you're coming from. Sure, it's expensive to get good food at restaurants. Have any of you provided conclusive proof that the products you get from grocers are god-awful and genetically modified? No. Are all your comments substantiated? No.
All I've heard from you is the usual rant that American food like fried chicken, pizza, etc. is bad for you. Who doesn't know that?
When did I ever say that? You can get fresh produce virtually everywhere, unless you're living in some forgotten backwater. And BTW, many foodstuffs in America are genetically modified. There's always an organic section if you have an irrational of fear GM food.
You better learn to cook unless you like eating salads and sandwiches everyday.
On July 01 2012 11:59 theBALLS wrote: lol kid you've no idea how much better the food here in Singapore is.
No, I dont think you understand. Hawker Centres and all that, yeah, but not for me.
Norway seems perfect,but im sure it isnt all its made out to be.
A guy I play basketball with is from Malaysia, and he says that Malaysian and singaporean(is that right?) food is way better! (he studies in Norway) But of course, everyone has their own taste in food.
On July 01 2012 18:37 Daozzt wrote: Even most fast food places not named McDolnalds or Burger King are pretty good (In n Out, Five Guys, Chipotle, etc.).
yeah, no. i tried chipotle when i was over there because of how amazing everyone said it was and it was trash.
and the whole variety thing isn't a very smart argument, don't go to the us to eat asian/south american/european food, it does exist but it'll never be as good as the real ones.
Chipotle's trash? You're honestly the first person I've heard that from, online and in real life. Unless you plan on eating 30$ restaurant dinners everyday or have extremely high standards, I would not judge any country's cuisine. If you're looking for casual meals or fast food, there's no place with more variety than US for meals under <10$.
There's a reason variety exists regardless of quality-- people don't enjoy eating the same shit everyday. If you go to America just to eat burgers all the time, well, I feel sorry for you. Better go to Europe where you can dine on that nice French cuisine for 30 euros a meal.
i had no idea we were discussing trash "food" for college kids
nvm then, my standards are apparently too high for this discussion, keep eating your delicious concentrated grease
Hah, unless you're making 100k+ a year or cook all of your own meals all the time, you're going to be eating these "trash" foods occasionally. Your standards are too high, because no one eats restaurant quality meals on a daily basis, especially not 15 y/o kids from Singapore. Also, it's funny you talk about greasy foods as if it's abnormal--if something tastes really good, chances are it is loaded with fat, sugar, oil, etc. It's not exclusive to American food.
On July 01 2012 19:59 Daozzt wrote: Also, it's funny you talk about greasy foods as if it's abnormal--if something tastes really good, chances are it is loaded with fat, sugar, oil, etc. It's not exclusive to American food.
yeah, your definition of "tastes really good" is probably kinda off
On July 01 2012 18:37 Daozzt wrote: Even most fast food places not named McDolnalds or Burger King are pretty good (In n Out, Five Guys, Chipotle, etc.).
yeah, no. i tried chipotle when i was over there because of how amazing everyone said it was and it was trash.
and the whole variety thing isn't a very smart argument, don't go to the us to eat asian/south american/european food, it does exist but it'll never be as good as the real ones.
Chipotle's trash? You're honestly the first person I've heard that from, online and in real life. Unless you plan on eating 30$ restaurant dinners everyday or have extremely high standards, I would not judge any country's cuisine. If you're looking for casual meals or fast food, there's no place with more variety than US for meals under <10$.
There's a reason variety exists regardless of quality-- people don't enjoy eating the same shit everyday. If you go to America just to eat burgers all the time, well, I feel sorry for you. Better go to Europe where you can dine on that nice French cuisine for 30 euros a meal.
i had no idea we were discussing trash "food" for college kids
nvm then, my standards are apparently too high for this discussion, keep eating your delicious concentrated grease
There's your problem. Seems like you're not making an effort to look.
I barely eat it. I cook for myself to keep costs down, and I'm usually cooking chinese food (rice + dishes) but I can just about cook anything I feel like. Come over here, you'll see a huge number of people eating these stuff day in, day out.
I don't get it. So what if people eat those things? Just because they do doesn't mean I have to.
On July 01 2012 19:19 mcimba42 wrote:
On July 01 2012 19:14 Azera wrote: [quote]
There's your problem. Seems like you're not making an effort to look.
yeah, then american food is a fat slab of meat with an exaggerated amount of salt and sauce and whatnot
if you enjoy it, sure, america is pretty cool. however, that is not good food, especially not when compared to all of the flavour you can find in asian cuisine
Your ignorance is overwhelming.
yes, i'm sure some kid from sg who has never been to america knows more about its food than someone who lived there
please do tell me about this wonderful american cuisine you seem to know so much about
Right, I've been to Alaska, San Fran, California, and Orlando. Since you live there, I assume that you should also know what the fuck you're talking about.
If you can eat whatever American-ish food you're craving everyday, for several years or even your entire life, then go ahead. I'll say it again: Eating during a holiday and eating as a resident are really different.
I have hundreds of Singaporean friends who've studied overseas, and all of them miss Singapore food. Even the locals who've been to Singapore also love Singaporean food.
To each his own
You asked how the US and Canada are like, focusing only on food. People gave you their opinions, and you dismissed everything that didn't agree with the picture you had of North America. Yeah, to each his own, but if you're going to ask for opinions, be prepared to accept them.
Dismissed? No. Did I agree that NA might not be the all I made it out to be? I did. I understand where you're coming from. Sure, it's expensive to get good food at restaurants. Have any of you provided conclusive proof that the products you get from grocers are god-awful and genetically modified? No. Are all your comments substantiated? No.
All I've heard from you is the usual rant that American food like fried chicken, pizza, etc. is bad for you. Who doesn't know that?
When did I ever say that? You can get fresh produce virtually everywhere, unless you're living in some forgotten backwater. And BTW, many foodstuffs in America are genetically modified. There's always an organic section if you have an irrational of fear GM food.
You better learn to cook unless you like eating salads and sandwiches everyday.
And if I do?
Btw, I wasn't saying that you said that. Goes to show how much you know about me dismissing people's opinion in the thread.
On July 01 2012 18:37 Daozzt wrote: Even most fast food places not named McDolnalds or Burger King are pretty good (In n Out, Five Guys, Chipotle, etc.).
yeah, no. i tried chipotle when i was over there because of how amazing everyone said it was and it was trash.
and the whole variety thing isn't a very smart argument, don't go to the us to eat asian/south american/european food, it does exist but it'll never be as good as the real ones.
Chipotle's trash? You're honestly the first person I've heard that from, online and in real life. Unless you plan on eating 30$ restaurant dinners everyday or have extremely high standards, I would not judge any country's cuisine. If you're looking for casual meals or fast food, there's no place with more variety than US for meals under <10$.
There's a reason variety exists regardless of quality-- people don't enjoy eating the same shit everyday. If you go to America just to eat burgers all the time, well, I feel sorry for you. Better go to Europe where you can dine on that nice French cuisine for 30 euros a meal.
i had no idea we were discussing trash "food" for college kids
nvm then, my standards are apparently too high for this discussion, keep eating your delicious concentrated grease
On July 01 2012 19:34 mcimba42 wrote: i honestly haven't seen anything other than the fact that you can find tons of food from outside of america, which is not a good reason to go to america.
On July 01 2012 18:37 Daozzt wrote: Even most fast food places not named McDolnalds or Burger King are pretty good (In n Out, Five Guys, Chipotle, etc.).
yeah, no. i tried chipotle when i was over there because of how amazing everyone said it was and it was trash.
and the whole variety thing isn't a very smart argument, don't go to the us to eat asian/south american/european food, it does exist but it'll never be as good as the real ones.
Chipotle's trash? You're honestly the first person I've heard that from, online and in real life. Unless you plan on eating 30$ restaurant dinners everyday or have extremely high standards, I would not judge any country's cuisine. If you're looking for casual meals or fast food, there's no place with more variety than US for meals under <10$.
There's a reason variety exists regardless of quality-- people don't enjoy eating the same shit everyday. If you go to America just to eat burgers all the time, well, I feel sorry for you. Better go to Europe where you can dine on that nice French cuisine for 30 euros a meal.
i had no idea we were discussing trash "food" for college kids
nvm then, my standards are apparently too high for this discussion, keep eating your delicious concentrated grease
On July 01 2012 19:34 mcimba42 wrote: i honestly haven't seen anything other than the fact that you can find tons of food from outside of america, which is not a good reason to go to america.
I don't think you can read
As much as I don't want to, "he started it". I'm not going to go about pandering to his non-existent capability to reason.
On July 01 2012 18:37 Daozzt wrote: Even most fast food places not named McDolnalds or Burger King are pretty good (In n Out, Five Guys, Chipotle, etc.).
yeah, no. i tried chipotle when i was over there because of how amazing everyone said it was and it was trash.
and the whole variety thing isn't a very smart argument, don't go to the us to eat asian/south american/european food, it does exist but it'll never be as good as the real ones.
Chipotle's trash? You're honestly the first person I've heard that from, online and in real life. Unless you plan on eating 30$ restaurant dinners everyday or have extremely high standards, I would not judge any country's cuisine. If you're looking for casual meals or fast food, there's no place with more variety than US for meals under <10$.
There's a reason variety exists regardless of quality-- people don't enjoy eating the same shit everyday. If you go to America just to eat burgers all the time, well, I feel sorry for you. Better go to Europe where you can dine on that nice French cuisine for 30 euros a meal.
i had no idea we were discussing trash "food" for college kids
nvm then, my standards are apparently too high for this discussion, keep eating your delicious concentrated grease
You need to learn to be good mannered.
On July 01 2012 19:36 Azera wrote:
On July 01 2012 19:34 mcimba42 wrote: i honestly haven't seen anything other than the fact that you can find tons of food from outside of america, which is not a good reason to go to america.
I don't think you can read
As much as I don't want to, "he started it". I'm not going to go about pandering to his non-existent capability to reason.
It's the pot calling the kettle black. If you want to stand on the moral high ground, make sure you're not guilty of the things you're criticizing him for.
On July 01 2012 18:37 Daozzt wrote: Even most fast food places not named McDolnalds or Burger King are pretty good (In n Out, Five Guys, Chipotle, etc.).
yeah, no. i tried chipotle when i was over there because of how amazing everyone said it was and it was trash.
and the whole variety thing isn't a very smart argument, don't go to the us to eat asian/south american/european food, it does exist but it'll never be as good as the real ones.
Chipotle's trash? You're honestly the first person I've heard that from, online and in real life. Unless you plan on eating 30$ restaurant dinners everyday or have extremely high standards, I would not judge any country's cuisine. If you're looking for casual meals or fast food, there's no place with more variety than US for meals under <10$.
There's a reason variety exists regardless of quality-- people don't enjoy eating the same shit everyday. If you go to America just to eat burgers all the time, well, I feel sorry for you. Better go to Europe where you can dine on that nice French cuisine for 30 euros a meal.
i had no idea we were discussing trash "food" for college kids
nvm then, my standards are apparently too high for this discussion, keep eating your delicious concentrated grease
You need to learn to be good mannered.
On July 01 2012 19:36 Azera wrote:
On July 01 2012 19:34 mcimba42 wrote: i honestly haven't seen anything other than the fact that you can find tons of food from outside of america, which is not a good reason to go to america.
I don't think you can read
As much as I don't want to, "he started it". I'm not going to go about pandering to his non-existent capability to reason.
It's the pot calling the kettle black. If you want to stand on the moral high ground, make sure you're not guilty of the things you're criticizing him for.
Does a film critique make films? It's as dumb as whatever is floating around on Facebook nowadays "Don't judge anybody unless you're perfect." or whatever that bull is.
On July 01 2012 18:37 Daozzt wrote: Even most fast food places not named McDolnalds or Burger King are pretty good (In n Out, Five Guys, Chipotle, etc.).
yeah, no. i tried chipotle when i was over there because of how amazing everyone said it was and it was trash.
and the whole variety thing isn't a very smart argument, don't go to the us to eat asian/south american/european food, it does exist but it'll never be as good as the real ones.
Chipotle's trash? You're honestly the first person I've heard that from, online and in real life. Unless you plan on eating 30$ restaurant dinners everyday or have extremely high standards, I would not judge any country's cuisine. If you're looking for casual meals or fast food, there's no place with more variety than US for meals under <10$.
There's a reason variety exists regardless of quality-- people don't enjoy eating the same shit everyday. If you go to America just to eat burgers all the time, well, I feel sorry for you. Better go to Europe where you can dine on that nice French cuisine for 30 euros a meal.
i had no idea we were discussing trash "food" for college kids
nvm then, my standards are apparently too high for this discussion, keep eating your delicious concentrated grease
You need to learn to be good mannered.
On July 01 2012 19:36 Azera wrote:
On July 01 2012 19:34 mcimba42 wrote: i honestly haven't seen anything other than the fact that you can find tons of food from outside of america, which is not a good reason to go to america.
I don't think you can read
As much as I don't want to, "he started it". I'm not going to go about pandering to his non-existent capability to reason.
It's the pot calling the kettle black. If you want to stand on the moral high ground, make sure you're not guilty of the things you're criticizing him for.
Does a film critique make films? It's as dumb as whatever is floating around on Facebook nowadays "Don't judge anybody unless you're perfect." or whatever that bull is.
Your analogy doesn't make sense at all. Film critics and film makers are two different professions. A better analogy would be one film maker saying that another film sucks, when he has the producer of John Carter.
On July 01 2012 18:37 Daozzt wrote: Even most fast food places not named McDolnalds or Burger King are pretty good (In n Out, Five Guys, Chipotle, etc.).
yeah, no. i tried chipotle when i was over there because of how amazing everyone said it was and it was trash.
and the whole variety thing isn't a very smart argument, don't go to the us to eat asian/south american/european food, it does exist but it'll never be as good as the real ones.
Chipotle's trash? You're honestly the first person I've heard that from, online and in real life. Unless you plan on eating 30$ restaurant dinners everyday or have extremely high standards, I would not judge any country's cuisine. If you're looking for casual meals or fast food, there's no place with more variety than US for meals under <10$.
There's a reason variety exists regardless of quality-- people don't enjoy eating the same shit everyday. If you go to America just to eat burgers all the time, well, I feel sorry for you. Better go to Europe where you can dine on that nice French cuisine for 30 euros a meal.
i had no idea we were discussing trash "food" for college kids
nvm then, my standards are apparently too high for this discussion, keep eating your delicious concentrated grease
You need to learn to be good mannered.
On July 01 2012 19:36 Azera wrote:
On July 01 2012 19:34 mcimba42 wrote: i honestly haven't seen anything other than the fact that you can find tons of food from outside of america, which is not a good reason to go to america.
I don't think you can read
As much as I don't want to, "he started it". I'm not going to go about pandering to his non-existent capability to reason.
It's the pot calling the kettle black. If you want to stand on the moral high ground, make sure you're not guilty of the things you're criticizing him for.
Does a film critique make films? It's as dumb as whatever is floating around on Facebook nowadays "Don't judge anybody unless you're perfect." or whatever that bull is.
Your analogy doesn't make sense at all. Film critics and film makers are two different professions. A better analogy would be one film maker saying that another film sucks, when he has the producer of John Carter.
Whatever it is, you're avoiding the main point of this argument. If anything, you're helping me show that your point was poorly thought out.
On July 01 2012 19:12 mcimba42 wrote: [quote]yeah, no. i tried chipotle when i was over there because of how amazing everyone said it was and it was trash.
and the whole variety thing isn't a very smart argument, don't go to the us to eat asian/south american/european food, it does exist but it'll never be as good as the real ones.
Chipotle's trash? You're honestly the first person I've heard that from, online and in real life. Unless you plan on eating 30$ restaurant dinners everyday or have extremely high standards, I would not judge any country's cuisine. If you're looking for casual meals or fast food, there's no place with more variety than US for meals under <10$.
There's a reason variety exists regardless of quality-- people don't enjoy eating the same shit everyday. If you go to America just to eat burgers all the time, well, I feel sorry for you. Better go to Europe where you can dine on that nice French cuisine for 30 euros a meal.
i had no idea we were discussing trash "food" for college kids
nvm then, my standards are apparently too high for this discussion, keep eating your delicious concentrated grease
You need to learn to be good mannered.
On July 01 2012 19:36 Azera wrote:
On July 01 2012 19:34 mcimba42 wrote: i honestly haven't seen anything other than the fact that you can find tons of food from outside of america, which is not a good reason to go to america.
I don't think you can read
As much as I don't want to, "he started it". I'm not going to go about pandering to his non-existent capability to reason.
It's the pot calling the kettle black. If you want to stand on the moral high ground, make sure you're not guilty of the things you're criticizing him for.
Does a film critique make films? It's as dumb as whatever is floating around on Facebook nowadays "Don't judge anybody unless you're perfect." or whatever that bull is.
Your analogy doesn't make sense at all. Film critics and film makers are two different professions. A better analogy would be one film maker saying that another film sucks, when he has the producer of John Carter.
Whatever it is, you're avoiding the main point of this argument. If anything, you're helping me show that your point was poorly thought out.
My argument was that you're overestimating American food and underestimating Singaporean food, and that all the things you're looking for can be found in Singapore if you looked for them. If you're trying to make some point about this long series of quotes, there isn't. One guy didn't like Chipotle (people have their own tastes), got into an argument, you called him bad mannered and I called you out on that.
On July 01 2012 12:26 Sinensis wrote: Our vegetables are genetically modified to be oversized and as a consequence are less flavorful; most of them are also dyed to make them look more natural or something. There is good meat here but it is expensive and difficult to come by, regularly available meat is cheap and bland.
Grocery stores here aren't really somewhere you can grab fresh bread baked on site, get fresh local meat, fresh local fruits, etc. It's the same packaged stuff you can buy anywhere else.
Please don't listen to Conspiracy Keanu. Yes, there is very cheap meats that lack flavor but are still wholesome. The whole genetically modified vegetable part is bunk- the tomatoes I buy at Publix are as good as the ones I grow at home in my garden. Certainly you could find cheap, flavorless vegetables and fruits as you could find cheap flavorless meat. However it isn't expensive to buy good tasting food either.
Seriously, the post I quoted is like 70% conspiracy theory.
From my personal experience about vegetables it's not where they are grown, it's what kind you grow. In the last 10 years or so I've seen (easiest example) tomato quality significantly go down here in Romania. Even for the ones you buy seeds/seedlings to grow yourself. They grow nice but the taste is quite bland, instead of the sweet/soft/juicy of my youth. The varieties have changed to grow bigger and faster but that means less time to process/add the sugars. It's rare to actually find really good stuff, even organic vegetables don't compare to the old crappy ones my grandparents used to grow.
This is also quite obvious in fruit, since trees last longer and you can feel the differences between fruits I eat when visiting grandparents and buying in the city markets.
All this isn't only a consequence of genetic modifications, just normal development of varieties. Sure, genetic mods are also a factor but the whole idea is to get faster growing/bigger stuff. This gets downsides, time to gather flavour for one.
Chipotle's trash? You're honestly the first person I've heard that from, online and in real life. Unless you plan on eating 30$ restaurant dinners everyday or have extremely high standards, I would not judge any country's cuisine. If you're looking for casual meals or fast food, there's no place with more variety than US for meals under <10$.
There's a reason variety exists regardless of quality-- people don't enjoy eating the same shit everyday. If you go to America just to eat burgers all the time, well, I feel sorry for you. Better go to Europe where you can dine on that nice French cuisine for 30 euros a meal.
i had no idea we were discussing trash "food" for college kids
nvm then, my standards are apparently too high for this discussion, keep eating your delicious concentrated grease
You need to learn to be good mannered.
On July 01 2012 19:36 Azera wrote:
On July 01 2012 19:34 mcimba42 wrote: i honestly haven't seen anything other than the fact that you can find tons of food from outside of america, which is not a good reason to go to america.
I don't think you can read
As much as I don't want to, "he started it". I'm not going to go about pandering to his non-existent capability to reason.
It's the pot calling the kettle black. If you want to stand on the moral high ground, make sure you're not guilty of the things you're criticizing him for.
Does a film critique make films? It's as dumb as whatever is floating around on Facebook nowadays "Don't judge anybody unless you're perfect." or whatever that bull is.
Your analogy doesn't make sense at all. Film critics and film makers are two different professions. A better analogy would be one film maker saying that another film sucks, when he has the producer of John Carter.
Whatever it is, you're avoiding the main point of this argument. If anything, you're helping me show that your point was poorly thought out.
My argument was that you're overestimating American food and underestimating Singaporean food, and that all the things you're looking for can be found in Singapore if you looked for them. If you're trying to make some point about this long series of quotes, there isn't. One guy didn't like Chipotle (people have their own tastes), got into an argument, you called him bad mannered and I called you out on that.
No, what you did was to try and force your preferences, or love for Singaporean cuisine onto me as a means to prove that American food is terrible.
Also, you know that's not what he did. Don't try to misconstrue things in your favour.
Incidentally, unless you're fairly well off, you generally can't eat out every night.
OP seems to be after the classic barbeque-with-mates style, and there definitely is that in NZ and Australia (can't speak for the USA and Canada), but it's also definitely not every night. And generally the animals in NZ and probably Australia are not factory farmed the way they are in the USA, which from what I've heard makes it taste better.
And the Asian cuisine in NZ is much more limited than in SG. It's not too bad if you're in Auckland but it's still not the same as "real" Malay and Thai and Cantonese food. Most places in NZ aren't even especially good at Western food (pies, roasts, etc.) unless you pay closer to $20-30 for your meal. From what I've heard, it's cheap enough and convenient enough to eat out every night in SG/Malaysia/Thailand, but it generally isn't over here. If you're willing to learn to cook yourself then the variety is near enough endless, but I daresay it's pretty similiar in SG.
On July 01 2012 19:42 mcimba42 wrote: [quote] i had no idea we were discussing trash "food" for college kids
nvm then, my standards are apparently too high for this discussion, keep eating your delicious concentrated grease
You need to learn to be good mannered.
On July 01 2012 19:36 Azera wrote:
On July 01 2012 19:34 mcimba42 wrote: i honestly haven't seen anything other than the fact that you can find tons of food from outside of america, which is not a good reason to go to america.
I don't think you can read
As much as I don't want to, "he started it". I'm not going to go about pandering to his non-existent capability to reason.
It's the pot calling the kettle black. If you want to stand on the moral high ground, make sure you're not guilty of the things you're criticizing him for.
Does a film critique make films? It's as dumb as whatever is floating around on Facebook nowadays "Don't judge anybody unless you're perfect." or whatever that bull is.
Your analogy doesn't make sense at all. Film critics and film makers are two different professions. A better analogy would be one film maker saying that another film sucks, when he has the producer of John Carter.
Whatever it is, you're avoiding the main point of this argument. If anything, you're helping me show that your point was poorly thought out.
My argument was that you're overestimating American food and underestimating Singaporean food, and that all the things you're looking for can be found in Singapore if you looked for them. If you're trying to make some point about this long series of quotes, there isn't. One guy didn't like Chipotle (people have their own tastes), got into an argument, you called him bad mannered and I called you out on that.
No, what you did was to try and force your preferences, or love for Singaporean cuisine onto me as a means to prove that American food is terrible.
Also, you know that's not what he did. Don't try to misconstrue things in your favour.
I didn't force you to like Singapore food. I said I like it, and I have many friends, both from the US and Singapore, who like Singapore food. I've told you the general eating habits in America, you don't like it either but like something else. I've told you that you can find these things in Singapore, but you're not exercising your ability to find them. I've even told you the best way to experience life in US firsthand, and you've blatantly ignored it. If you're not willing to accept others' opinions, don't go looking for them.
As much as I don't want to, "he started it". I'm not going to go about pandering to his non-existent capability to reason.
It's the pot calling the kettle black. If you want to stand on the moral high ground, make sure you're not guilty of the things you're criticizing him for.
Does a film critique make films? It's as dumb as whatever is floating around on Facebook nowadays "Don't judge anybody unless you're perfect." or whatever that bull is.
Your analogy doesn't make sense at all. Film critics and film makers are two different professions. A better analogy would be one film maker saying that another film sucks, when he has the producer of John Carter.
Whatever it is, you're avoiding the main point of this argument. If anything, you're helping me show that your point was poorly thought out.
My argument was that you're overestimating American food and underestimating Singaporean food, and that all the things you're looking for can be found in Singapore if you looked for them. If you're trying to make some point about this long series of quotes, there isn't. One guy didn't like Chipotle (people have their own tastes), got into an argument, you called him bad mannered and I called you out on that.
No, what you did was to try and force your preferences, or love for Singaporean cuisine onto me as a means to prove that American food is terrible.
Also, you know that's not what he did. Don't try to misconstrue things in your favour.
I didn't force you to like Singapore food. I said I like it, and I have many friends, both from the US and Singapore, who like Singapore food. I've told you the general eating habits in America, you don't like it either but like something else. I've told you that you can find these things in Singapore, but you're not exercising your ability to find them. I've even told you the best way to experience life in US firsthand, and you've blatantly ignored it. If you're not willing to accept others' opinions, don't go looking for them.
I'm sorry that your sarcasm detector is broken.
So if you're just stating your preferences, what is this talk of me dismissing other people's opinion? I can't help but laugh when you say that I don't like the eating habits in America. Have you not seen my comments regarding how Americans that have talked of their own eating habits? You've said that I could find such things in Singapore. I agreed. I said supermarkets in J Cube or Paragon sell such things. Best way to experience life in US firsthand? Live there, of course. You want me to move there now? Did you even read the OP?
No, it's only that your half-assed efforts to try and argue against me without properly taking note of the existence of my previous posts that would have voided whatever you're trying to bring up.
Also, unless you're good at writing, sarcasm doesn't work well through text.
On July 01 2012 19:52 Heh_ wrote: if you have an irrational of fear GM food..
You've thrown it out there, now please follow through and demonstrate to everyone why a fear of GM foods is irrational.
(though, we both know you won't because you can't XD)
Easily. There's two reasons why people think organic food is better: safety and taste. If you genetically modify crops to grow faster, nothing new suddenly pops up that's gonna poison you. There is a slight risk to adding pesticide resistance genes, caused by excessive usage of the pesticide which might remain on food sold in stores. All other fears are completly irrational and baseless (with 1 exception, unless you're completely devoid of any common sense).
The other part about taste... has been disproved because the comparisons were made using the best possible organic produce compared to the worst crop of GM products. Grow them side by side, and make randomized, double blind tests. Let's see how your organic produce fare.
" Hey guys, since we don't like it, let's all assume that he doesn't like it as well. While we're at it, let's all talk shit about how American eating habits are to us. Who gives a shit about preferences? Oh yeah! We should also only talk about eating habits to dissuade him from thinking about moving away! "
Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
I expected more from my fellow countrymen. Clearly, I expected too much.
On July 01 2012 19:52 Heh_ wrote: if you have an irrational of fear GM food..
You've thrown it out there, now please follow through and demonstrate to everyone why a fear of GM foods is irrational.
(though, we both know you won't because you can't XD)
Easily. There's two reasons why people think organic food is better: safety and taste. If you genetically modify crops to grow faster, nothing new suddenly pops up that's gonna poison you. There is a slight risk to adding pesticide resistance genes, caused by excessive usage of the pesticide which might remain on food sold in stores. All other fears are completly irrational and baseless (with 1 exception, unless you're completely devoid of any common sense).
This isn't about organic food being "better", I'm taking you at your words: You said that it is irrational to fear GM food and I asked you to demonstrate the truth of your statement.
"If you genetically modify crops to grow faster, nothing new suddenly pops up that's gonna poison you"
Prove to everybody that nothing new will suddenly pop up in the future. I'll give you $1000 if you can prove it to everyone right here right now.
"There is a slight risk to adding pesticide resistance genes, caused by excessive usage of the pesticide which might remain on food sold in stores"
You admit there is risk. Do you disagree with the notion that it is completely rational to avoid risk where there is an alternative without the risk?
On July 01 2012 20:50 Heh_ wrote: Easily. There's two reasons why people think organic food is better: safety and taste. If you genetically modify crops to grow faster, nothing new suddenly pops up that's gonna poison you. There is a slight risk to adding pesticide resistance genes, caused by excessive usage of the pesticide which might remain on food sold in stores. All other fears are completly irrational and baseless (with 1 exception, unless you're completely devoid of any common sense).
It's an ongoing debate in the scientific community, so I would like to have some credentials before you somehow close the question. Especially since GMOs mostly come from a firm that has a... questionable deontology. The question also isn't only reduced to the two reasons you quoted. Ever heard of indian peasants committing suicide by hundreds after accumulating a huge debt due to restrictive patents? Of GMO contamination and forced used of modified crops due to geographical insemination?
PS : when I saw 104 replies, I knew this wasn't only going to be about food.
On July 01 2012 20:50 Heh_ wrote: Easily. There's two reasons why people think organic food is better: safety and taste. If you genetically modify crops to grow faster, nothing new suddenly pops up that's gonna poison you. There is a slight risk to adding pesticide resistance genes, caused by excessive usage of the pesticide which might remain on food sold in stores. All other fears are completly irrational and baseless (with 1 exception, unless you're completely devoid of any common sense).
It's an ongoing debate in the scientific community, so I would like to have some credentials before you somehow close the question. Especially since GMOs mostly come from a firm that has a... questionable deontology. The question also isn't only reduced to the two reasons you quoted. Ever heard of indian peasants committing suicide by hundreds after accumulating a huge debt due to restrictive patents? Of GMO contamination and forced used of modified crops due to geographical insemination?
PS : when I saw 104 replies, I knew this wasn't only going to be about food.
It only turned like this because he decided to dodge.
On July 01 2012 20:50 Heh_ wrote: Easily. There's two reasons why people think organic food is better: safety and taste. If you genetically modify crops to grow faster, nothing new suddenly pops up that's gonna poison you. There is a slight risk to adding pesticide resistance genes, caused by excessive usage of the pesticide which might remain on food sold in stores. All other fears are completly irrational and baseless (with 1 exception, unless you're completely devoid of any common sense).
It's an ongoing debate in the scientific community, so I would like to have some credentials before you somehow close the question. Especially since GMOs mostly come from a firm that has a... questionable deontology. The question also isn't only reduced to the two reasons you quoted. Ever heard of indian peasants committing suicide by hundreds after accumulating a huge debt due to restrictive patents? Of GMO contamination and forced used of modified crops due to geographical insemination?
PS : when I saw 104 replies, I knew this wasn't only going to be about food.
Who cares about credentials? If you're giving someone else authority on truth the you're going to be fooled by the next huckster who comes alone. If someone makes a statement, regardless of their credentials, they need to be able to follow it through to fact. They need to be able to not only point me to the "studies" that support their statement, but pull quotations out and substitute them into their statement. If you make a statement but can't follow it through all the way to fact, even to a layman, then you simply don't understand it. Blind leading the blind.
On July 01 2012 20:50 Heh_ wrote: Easily. There's two reasons why people think organic food is better: safety and taste. If you genetically modify crops to grow faster, nothing new suddenly pops up that's gonna poison you. There is a slight risk to adding pesticide resistance genes, caused by excessive usage of the pesticide which might remain on food sold in stores. All other fears are completly irrational and baseless (with 1 exception, unless you're completely devoid of any common sense).
It's an ongoing debate in the scientific community, so I would like to have some credentials before you somehow close the question. Especially since GMOs mostly come from a firm that has a... questionable deontology. The question also isn't only reduced to the two reasons you quoted. Ever heard of indian peasants committing suicide by hundreds after accumulating a huge debt due to restrictive patents? Of GMO contamination and forced used of modified crops due to geographical insemination?
PS : when I saw 104 replies, I knew this wasn't only going to be about food.
Who cares about credentials? If you're giving someone else authority on truth the you're going to be fooled by the next blind hukster who comes alone. If someone makes a statement, regardless of their credentials, they need to be able to follow it through to fact. They need to be able to not only point me to the "studies" that support their statement, but pull quotations out and substitute them into their statement. If you make a statement but can't follow it through all the way to fact, even to a layman, then you simply don't understand it.
Yeah the only, but crucial thing that is missing from all this are citations.
On July 01 2012 20:50 Heh_ wrote: Easily. There's two reasons why people think organic food is better: safety and taste. If you genetically modify crops to grow faster, nothing new suddenly pops up that's gonna poison you. There is a slight risk to adding pesticide resistance genes, caused by excessive usage of the pesticide which might remain on food sold in stores. All other fears are completly irrational and baseless (with 1 exception, unless you're completely devoid of any common sense).
It's an ongoing debate in the scientific community, so I would like to have some credentials before you somehow close the question. Especially since GMOs mostly come from a firm that has a... questionable deontology. The question also isn't only reduced to the two reasons you quoted. Ever heard of indian peasants committing suicide by hundreds after accumulating a huge debt due to restrictive patents? Of GMO contamination and forced used of modified crops due to geographical insemination?
PS : when I saw 104 replies, I knew this wasn't only going to be about food.
Who cares about credentials? If you're giving someone else authority on truth the you're going to be fooled by the next blind hukster who comes alone. If someone makes a statement, regardless of their credentials, they need to be able to follow it through to fact. They need to be able to not only point me to the "studies" that support their statement, but pull quotations out and substitute them into their statement. If you make a statement but can't follow it through all the way to fact, even to a layman, then you simply don't understand it.
Yeah the only, but crucial thing that is missing from all this are citations.
Citations implies that a source was referenced. We haven't even gotten that far yet, we're still at conjecture (or maybe hubris XD)
On July 01 2012 20:50 Heh_ wrote: Easily. There's two reasons why people think organic food is better: safety and taste. If you genetically modify crops to grow faster, nothing new suddenly pops up that's gonna poison you. There is a slight risk to adding pesticide resistance genes, caused by excessive usage of the pesticide which might remain on food sold in stores. All other fears are completly irrational and baseless (with 1 exception, unless you're completely devoid of any common sense).
It's an ongoing debate in the scientific community, so I would like to have some credentials before you somehow close the question. Especially since GMOs mostly come from a firm that has a... questionable deontology. The question also isn't only reduced to the two reasons you quoted. Ever heard of indian peasants committing suicide by hundreds after accumulating a huge debt due to restrictive patents? Of GMO contamination and forced used of modified crops due to geographical insemination?
PS : when I saw 104 replies, I knew this wasn't only going to be about food.
Who cares about credentials? If you're giving someone else authority on truth the you're going to be fooled by the next blind hukster who comes alone. If someone makes a statement, regardless of their credentials, they need to be able to follow it through to fact. They need to be able to not only point me to the "studies" that support their statement, but pull quotations out and substitute them into their statement. If you make a statement but can't follow it through all the way to fact, even to a layman, then you simply don't understand it.
Yeah the only, but crucial thing that is missing from all this are citations.
Citations implies that a source was referenced. We haven't even gotten that far yet, we're still at conjecture (or maybe hubris XD)
On July 01 2012 20:50 Heh_ wrote: Easily. There's two reasons why people think organic food is better: safety and taste. If you genetically modify crops to grow faster, nothing new suddenly pops up that's gonna poison you. There is a slight risk to adding pesticide resistance genes, caused by excessive usage of the pesticide which might remain on food sold in stores. All other fears are completly irrational and baseless (with 1 exception, unless you're completely devoid of any common sense).
It's an ongoing debate in the scientific community, so I would like to have some credentials before you somehow close the question. Especially since GMOs mostly come from a firm that has a... questionable deontology. The question also isn't only reduced to the two reasons you quoted. Ever heard of indian peasants committing suicide by hundreds after accumulating a huge debt due to restrictive patents? Of GMO contamination and forced used of modified crops due to geographical insemination?
PS : when I saw 104 replies, I knew this wasn't only going to be about food.
Who cares about credentials? If you're giving someone else authority on truth the you're going to be fooled by the next huckster who comes alone. If someone makes a statement, regardless of their credentials, they need to be able to follow it through to fact. They need to be able to not only point me to the "studies" that support their statement, but pull quotations out and substitute them into their statement. If you make a statement but can't follow it through all the way to fact, even to a layman, then you simply don't understand it. Blind leading the blind.
That's how I understood my request, I'm not simply asking him to say he's got a PhD. And because I highly doubt he's a biotechnologist or even that he really know what he's talking about (like most of us), it was mostly a rhetorical question to imply that he should moderate his own statements.
I don't understand why you had to write a whole paragraph about it.
Don't have access to the search engine for peer-reviewed journal articles, random websites will have to do.
Yeah, bash me instead of actually considering the facts. You're the one arguing like a 7-year old. *clap, clap clap.
@ Kukaracha: Sorry that I'm stil doing my PhD in one of the top ten universities for that discipline and don't have that title yet. Sorry that the first class honours that I got for a BSc in Biology from one of the top ten universities of the world have no value at all.
On July 01 2012 20:50 Heh_ wrote: Easily. There's two reasons why people think organic food is better: safety and taste. If you genetically modify crops to grow faster, nothing new suddenly pops up that's gonna poison you. There is a slight risk to adding pesticide resistance genes, caused by excessive usage of the pesticide which might remain on food sold in stores. All other fears are completly irrational and baseless (with 1 exception, unless you're completely devoid of any common sense).
It's an ongoing debate in the scientific community, so I would like to have some credentials before you somehow close the question. Especially since GMOs mostly come from a firm that has a... questionable deontology. The question also isn't only reduced to the two reasons you quoted. Ever heard of indian peasants committing suicide by hundreds after accumulating a huge debt due to restrictive patents? Of GMO contamination and forced used of modified crops due to geographical insemination?
PS : when I saw 104 replies, I knew this wasn't only going to be about food.
Who cares about credentials? If you're giving someone else authority on truth the you're going to be fooled by the next blind hukster who comes alone. If someone makes a statement, regardless of their credentials, they need to be able to follow it through to fact. They need to be able to not only point me to the "studies" that support their statement, but pull quotations out and substitute them into their statement. If you make a statement but can't follow it through all the way to fact, even to a layman, then you simply don't understand it.
Yeah the only, but crucial thing that is missing from all this are citations.
Citations implies that a source was referenced. We haven't even gotten that far yet, we're still at conjecture (or maybe hubris XD)
Hehe, we need sources man
I don't follow. We don't need sources at all. We need answers to questions. Whether those answers refer to other sources is up to the person giving the answer. It's their answer after all.
You made a statement, it is not up to me to find your evidence and then create your argument. My last reply to you asked questions which you may answer. I didn't ask you for any websites or sources, I simply asked you to answer my simple questions.
Yeah, bash me instead of actually considering the facts. You're the one arguing like a 7-year old. *clap, clap clap.
Quote me bashing you/arguing like a 7-year old and also demonstrate where I have not considered facts. If you can't, don't waste my time again with this nonsense.
You made a statement, it is not up to me to find your evidence and then create your argument. My last reply to you asked questions which you may answer. I didn't ask you for any websites or sources, I simply asked you to answer my simple questions.
Yeah, bash me instead of actually considering the facts. You're the one arguing like a 7-year old. *clap, clap clap.
Quote me bashing you/arguing like a 7-year old and also demonstrate where I have not considered facts. If you can't, don't waste my time again with this nonsense.
You made a statement, it is not up to me to find your evidence and then create your argument. My last reply to you asked questions which you may answer. I didn't ask you for any websites or sources, I simply asked you to answer my simple questions.
Yeah, bash me instead of actually considering the facts. You're the one arguing like a 7-year old. *clap, clap clap.
Quote me bashing you/arguing like a 7-year old and also demonstrate where I have not considered facts. If you can't, don't waste my time again with this nonsense.
No, someone else is the 7-year old. Not you.
My apologies then. Perhaps a new protocol for your future replies to avoid confusion
You have no facts, no supported arguments, and the only thing you're trying to do is convince me that I'm wrong based off your personal preferences. Seeing that you're an adult, you seriously need to reconsider yourself.
On July 01 2012 20:50 Heh_ wrote: Easily. There's two reasons why people think organic food is better: safety and taste. If you genetically modify crops to grow faster, nothing new suddenly pops up that's gonna poison you. There is a slight risk to adding pesticide resistance genes, caused by excessive usage of the pesticide which might remain on food sold in stores. All other fears are completly irrational and baseless (with 1 exception, unless you're completely devoid of any common sense).
It's an ongoing debate in the scientific community, so I would like to have some credentials before you somehow close the question. Especially since GMOs mostly come from a firm that has a... questionable deontology. The question also isn't only reduced to the two reasons you quoted. Ever heard of indian peasants committing suicide by hundreds after accumulating a huge debt due to restrictive patents? Of GMO contamination and forced used of modified crops due to geographical insemination?
PS : when I saw 104 replies, I knew this wasn't only going to be about food.
Who cares about credentials? If you're giving someone else authority on truth the you're going to be fooled by the next blind hukster who comes alone. If someone makes a statement, regardless of their credentials, they need to be able to follow it through to fact. They need to be able to not only point me to the "studies" that support their statement, but pull quotations out and substitute them into their statement. If you make a statement but can't follow it through all the way to fact, even to a layman, then you simply don't understand it.
Yeah the only, but crucial thing that is missing from all this are citations.
Citations implies that a source was referenced. We haven't even gotten that far yet, we're still at conjecture (or maybe hubris XD)
Hehe, we need sources man
I don't follow. We don't need sources at all. We need answers to questions. Whether those answers refer to other sources is up to the person giving the answer. It's their answer after all.
There is only one god, and it's a giant CAT. I have no sources, deal with it.
To our good scholar friend, a counter google search :
Now take a minute to think about the value of each link. Does this make you more suited to lead a debate on the subject? God no, or else I'm a neurologist after spending twenty minutes on Wikipedia.
Now stop acting like a whiny kid and accept that this is a question that has yet to find a definitive answer.
You made a statement, it is not up to me to find your evidence and then create your argument. My last reply to you asked questions which you may answer. I didn't ask you for any websites or sources, I simply asked you to answer my simple questions.
Yeah, bash me instead of actually considering the facts. You're the one arguing like a 7-year old. *clap, clap clap.
Quote me bashing you/arguing like a 7-year old and also demonstrate where I have not considered facts. If you can't, don't waste my time again with this nonsense.
No, someone else is the 7-year old. Not you.
My apologies then. Perhaps a new protocol for your future replies to avoid confusion
I can discuss in greater detail via pm, if you want. I prefer spreading facts instead of rumours.
You made a statement, it is not up to me to find your evidence and then create your argument. My last reply to you asked questions which you may answer. I didn't ask you for any websites or sources, I simply asked you to answer my simple questions.
Yeah, bash me instead of actually considering the facts. You're the one arguing like a 7-year old. *clap, clap clap.
Quote me bashing you/arguing like a 7-year old and also demonstrate where I have not considered facts. If you can't, don't waste my time again with this nonsense.
No, someone else is the 7-year old. Not you.
My apologies then. Perhaps a new protocol for your future replies to avoid confusion
I can discuss in greater detail via pm, if you want. I prefer spreading facts instead of rumours.
Are you insinuating that this discussion so far is going to spread rumours?
You made a statement, I asked you to demonstrate that it is true. You have yet to. I'd like to do it in public where you made the statement to begin with.
You made a statement, it is not up to me to find your evidence and then create your argument. My last reply to you asked questions which you may answer. I didn't ask you for any websites or sources, I simply asked you to answer my simple questions.
Yeah, bash me instead of actually considering the facts. You're the one arguing like a 7-year old. *clap, clap clap.
Quote me bashing you/arguing like a 7-year old and also demonstrate where I have not considered facts. If you can't, don't waste my time again with this nonsense.
No, someone else is the 7-year old. Not you.
My apologies then. Perhaps a new protocol for your future replies to avoid confusion
I can discuss in greater detail via pm, if you want. I prefer spreading facts instead of rumours.
Are you insinuating that this discussion so far is going to spread rumours?
You made a statement, I asked you to demonstrate that it is true. You have yet to. I'd like to do it in public where you made the statement to begin with.
What do you want me to demonstrate? Do you want sources, or do you want a wall of text?
On July 01 2012 20:50 Heh_ wrote: Easily. There's two reasons why people think organic food is better: safety and taste. If you genetically modify crops to grow faster, nothing new suddenly pops up that's gonna poison you. There is a slight risk to adding pesticide resistance genes, caused by excessive usage of the pesticide which might remain on food sold in stores. All other fears are completly irrational and baseless (with 1 exception, unless you're completely devoid of any common sense).
It's an ongoing debate in the scientific community, so I would like to have some credentials before you somehow close the question. Especially since GMOs mostly come from a firm that has a... questionable deontology. The question also isn't only reduced to the two reasons you quoted. Ever heard of indian peasants committing suicide by hundreds after accumulating a huge debt due to restrictive patents? Of GMO contamination and forced used of modified crops due to geographical insemination?
PS : when I saw 104 replies, I knew this wasn't only going to be about food.
Who cares about credentials? If you're giving someone else authority on truth the you're going to be fooled by the next blind hukster who comes alone. If someone makes a statement, regardless of their credentials, they need to be able to follow it through to fact. They need to be able to not only point me to the "studies" that support their statement, but pull quotations out and substitute them into their statement. If you make a statement but can't follow it through all the way to fact, even to a layman, then you simply don't understand it.
Yeah the only, but crucial thing that is missing from all this are citations.
Citations implies that a source was referenced. We haven't even gotten that far yet, we're still at conjecture (or maybe hubris XD)
Hehe, we need sources man
I don't follow. We don't need sources at all. We need answers to questions. Whether those answers refer to other sources is up to the person giving the answer. It's their answer after all.
There is only one god, and it's a giant CAT. I have no sources, deal with it.
Now take a minute to think about the value of each link. Does this make you more suited to lead a debate on the subject? God no, or else I'm a neurologist after spending twenty minutes on Wikipedia.
Now stop acting like a whiny kid and accept that this is a question that has yet to find a definitive answer.
Forgive me, but I find I have a habit of ignoring posts that come from a mind which stoops to insults.
You made a statement, it is not up to me to find your evidence and then create your argument. My last reply to you asked questions which you may answer. I didn't ask you for any websites or sources, I simply asked you to answer my simple questions.
Yeah, bash me instead of actually considering the facts. You're the one arguing like a 7-year old. *clap, clap clap.
Quote me bashing you/arguing like a 7-year old and also demonstrate where I have not considered facts. If you can't, don't waste my time again with this nonsense.
No, someone else is the 7-year old. Not you.
My apologies then. Perhaps a new protocol for your future replies to avoid confusion
I can discuss in greater detail via pm, if you want. I prefer spreading facts instead of rumours.
Are you insinuating that this discussion so far is going to spread rumours?
You made a statement, I asked you to demonstrate that it is true. You have yet to. I'd like to do it in public where you made the statement to begin with.
What do you want me to demonstrate? Do you want sources, or do you want a wall of text?
Read back to my post where I quote you in bold. I asked you two simple follow up questions on your statement. I want whatever it takes for you to take a layman from yourstatement to absolute fact-- a level of fact which would be irrational to disagree with, to use your words.
You made a statement, it is not up to me to find your evidence and then create your argument. My last reply to you asked questions which you may answer. I didn't ask you for any websites or sources, I simply asked you to answer my simple questions.
Yeah, bash me instead of actually considering the facts. You're the one arguing like a 7-year old. *clap, clap clap.
Quote me bashing you/arguing like a 7-year old and also demonstrate where I have not considered facts. If you can't, don't waste my time again with this nonsense.
No, someone else is the 7-year old. Not you.
My apologies then. Perhaps a new protocol for your future replies to avoid confusion
I can discuss in greater detail via pm, if you want. I prefer spreading facts instead of rumours.
Are you insinuating that this discussion so far is going to spread rumours?
You made a statement, I asked you to demonstrate that it is true. You have yet to. I'd like to do it in public where you made the statement to begin with.
What do you want me to demonstrate? Do you want sources, or do you want a wall of text?
Demonstrate that there is a consensus among the scientific community that states that A)GMOs are inherently safe, B)current GMO technology is safe or that C)benefits outweight the risks and D)no change can be made so far.
And I stress the term consensus. I don't know how you can do this, but it's the position you seem to defend.
On July 01 2012 20:50 Heh_ wrote: Easily. There's two reasons why people think organic food is better: safety and taste. If you genetically modify crops to grow faster, nothing new suddenly pops up that's gonna poison you. There is a slight risk to adding pesticide resistance genes, caused by excessive usage of the pesticide which might remain on food sold in stores. All other fears are completly irrational and baseless (with 1 exception, unless you're completely devoid of any common sense).
It's an ongoing debate in the scientific community, so I would like to have some credentials before you somehow close the question. Especially since GMOs mostly come from a firm that has a... questionable deontology. The question also isn't only reduced to the two reasons you quoted. Ever heard of indian peasants committing suicide by hundreds after accumulating a huge debt due to restrictive patents? Of GMO contamination and forced used of modified crops due to geographical insemination?
PS : when I saw 104 replies, I knew this wasn't only going to be about food.
Who cares about credentials? If you're giving someone else authority on truth the you're going to be fooled by the next blind hukster who comes alone. If someone makes a statement, regardless of their credentials, they need to be able to follow it through to fact. They need to be able to not only point me to the "studies" that support their statement, but pull quotations out and substitute them into their statement. If you make a statement but can't follow it through all the way to fact, even to a layman, then you simply don't understand it.
Yeah the only, but crucial thing that is missing from all this are citations.
Citations implies that a source was referenced. We haven't even gotten that far yet, we're still at conjecture (or maybe hubris XD)
Hehe, we need sources man
I don't follow. We don't need sources at all. We need answers to questions. Whether those answers refer to other sources is up to the person giving the answer. It's their answer after all.
There is only one god, and it's a giant CAT. I have no sources, deal with it.
Now take a minute to think about the value of each link. Does this make you more suited to lead a debate on the subject? God no, or else I'm a neurologist after spending twenty minutes on Wikipedia.
Now stop acting like a whiny kid and accept that this is a question that has yet to find a definitive answer.
Forgive me, but I find I have a habit of ignoring posts that come from a mind which stoops to insults.
Are you mad because I provided you with an unsourced statement, like you claimed it should be? The rest wasn't directed towards you.
At the risk of returning to the topic, I think western food is pretty much a pale comparison of the eastern foods I've had. If you're in Singapore, choose the university you want to go to first, then learn to enjoy the food there next
However, if you do come to Canada, I have to recommend a mushroom melt hamburger (not at a fast food place. The best one I've ever had was at St. James Place in Banff, Alberta). They aren't the healthiest, but they're delicious!
America is the land of the free and the home of the brave. If this sounds like something you are interested in then I think it surpasses your want for quality beef.
On July 01 2012 20:50 Heh_ wrote: Easily. There's two reasons why people think organic food is better: safety and taste. If you genetically modify crops to grow faster, nothing new suddenly pops up that's gonna poison you. There is a slight risk to adding pesticide resistance genes, caused by excessive usage of the pesticide which might remain on food sold in stores. All other fears are completly irrational and baseless (with 1 exception, unless you're completely devoid of any common sense).
It's an ongoing debate in the scientific community, so I would like to have some credentials before you somehow close the question. Especially since GMOs mostly come from a firm that has a... questionable deontology. The question also isn't only reduced to the two reasons you quoted. Ever heard of indian peasants committing suicide by hundreds after accumulating a huge debt due to restrictive patents? Of GMO contamination and forced used of modified crops due to geographical insemination?
PS : when I saw 104 replies, I knew this wasn't only going to be about food.
Who cares about credentials? If you're giving someone else authority on truth the you're going to be fooled by the next blind hukster who comes alone. If someone makes a statement, regardless of their credentials, they need to be able to follow it through to fact. They need to be able to not only point me to the "studies" that support their statement, but pull quotations out and substitute them into their statement. If you make a statement but can't follow it through all the way to fact, even to a layman, then you simply don't understand it.
Yeah the only, but crucial thing that is missing from all this are citations.
Citations implies that a source was referenced. We haven't even gotten that far yet, we're still at conjecture (or maybe hubris XD)
Hehe, we need sources man
I don't follow. We don't need sources at all. We need answers to questions. Whether those answers refer to other sources is up to the person giving the answer. It's their answer after all.
There is only one god, and it's a giant CAT. I have no sources, deal with it.
Now take a minute to think about the value of each link. Does this make you more suited to lead a debate on the subject? God no, or else I'm a neurologist after spending twenty minutes on Wikipedia.
Now stop acting like a whiny kid and accept that this is a question that has yet to find a definitive answer.
Forgive me, but I find I have a habit of ignoring posts that come from a mind which stoops to insults.
Are you mad because I provided you with an unsourced statement, like you claimed it should be? The rest wasn't directed towards you.
When I read insults I feel disappointment at the waste of time, not maddness.
I didn't claim things should or shouldn't be sourced ("Whether those answers refer to other sources is up to the person giving the answer"-- my second sentence implies that sources are secondary to the answer). I said that I wasn't after a source. I'm simply after an answer to the questions I ask, in your own words, not someone else's words. It is clear that for most topics, you're going to run into troubles without sources. Asking for sources gets people's google muscles flexing, not their brain. I don't give a crap about your sources, I want to know what you learned from them and then have you tell me in your own words. If you can't tell me in your own words, then quoting a source isn't going to help any cause except me leaving the conversation disappointed.
I'm speaking to the construction of the argument here, not the content. Of course Heh_ needs to quote some studies in this particular case. Keyword here is quote. I've been given sources, but I'm not doing his dirty work. If I ask a question, linking a webpage isn't an answer. It might be a good place to form an answer, but that's not the responsibility of the asker.
This thread is also what America is all about. Some guy starts talking about food. Then some other guys are like, "Food A is better because I say so." "Food B is better because you're an assface."
You made a statement, it is not up to me to find your evidence and then create your argument. My last reply to you asked questions which you may answer. I didn't ask you for any websites or sources, I simply asked you to answer my simple questions.
Yeah, bash me instead of actually considering the facts. You're the one arguing like a 7-year old. *clap, clap clap.
Quote me bashing you/arguing like a 7-year old and also demonstrate where I have not considered facts. If you can't, don't waste my time again with this nonsense.
No, someone else is the 7-year old. Not you.
My apologies then. Perhaps a new protocol for your future replies to avoid confusion
I can discuss in greater detail via pm, if you want. I prefer spreading facts instead of rumours.
Are you insinuating that this discussion so far is going to spread rumours?
You made a statement, I asked you to demonstrate that it is true. You have yet to. I'd like to do it in public where you made the statement to begin with.
What do you want me to demonstrate? Do you want sources, or do you want a wall of text?
Demonstrate that there is a consensus among the scientific community that states that A)GMOs are inherently safe, B)current GMO technology is safe or that C)benefits outweight the risks and D)no change can be made so far.
And I stress the term consensus. I don't know how you can do this, but it's the position you seem to defend.
A) Nothing is absolutely safe. The water that you're drinking now, the authorities can't claim that it has 0 pathogenic organisms inside. It passes inspection if the water quality is above a certain threshold. Same with GM crops. There are two main risks: pesticide usage and potential for allergy. For the first, the risk is minimized by proper farm management practices and quality control along the supply chain. Tests are regularly conducted for pesticide levels, presence of pests and parasites, etc. Non-GM crops are also subject to the same risks. For the second, there is the chance that the gene introduced may produce a protein that causes an allergic reaction in some. Possible, but exceedingly rare if caution is taken (many allergens are known). Article: http://jxb.oxfordjournals.org/content/54/386/1317.full
B) Testing is performed before releasing to the public. If any adverse reactions were detected, the product will obviously not be released. You could argue the case that there could be long-term consequences; true, but drugs are released after trials that span a few years. It could be argued that there hasn't been an increase in whatever disease due to consumption of GM food, 18 years after it was released to the market. Yes, some drugs get recalled. But drugs are radically different from uncontaminated food.
C) GM food is one of the ways to boost crop yields. Faster growth, less wastage due to pests, even supplementing vital nutrients to undernourished people (golden rice). These are huge potential benefits. Some risks are overstated, like the risk of cross-contamination of non-GM plots (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18227452) and food safety (see above).
D) No change to what? Using non-GM technology? Food production has stagnated while food demand has steadily increased. There is a shortage of arable land, together with pressure for biofuel crops. The potential food crisis of the 1980s was averted by the Green Revolution, but demand has caught up, and a second Green Revolution is required.
E) One more point about "new things popping up". In the case of GM food, you're in contol of what's "popping up". You can't control natural mutation to unmodified parts of the genome. A mutation that boosts yields (and thus be selected for) may also produce a deadly toxin, and this can happen in both GM and non-GM crops.
I don't know why you would want to go to the us and even list bread as one of the reasons. they don't even have real bread there. when i was living in the usa my parents sent me german bread for my birthday and it was like the best present ever. i missed bread so much. :D
The reason why it seems like so many Americans have a low opinion of food is a number of things imo. 1) A lot of people don't cook thus unless you're really rich you're going to be eating a bit of chain restaurants and fast food. 2) Food availability is very heterogenous depending on location. In some places its hard to even get a decent bit of fresh lettuce and tomatoes for a salad. Generally, larger cities are better than small cities but I've definitely been to a number of "large" cities where getting exactly what I want is not feasible. 3) Depending on the city, if you can get "fresh/farmer market" type produce it will be 10x more expensive than what it should be. Some cities are better about this than others.
So basically, if you're filthy rich and will live in a big city there shouldn't be a problem in the US.
On July 01 2012 21:54 Heh_ wrote: A) Nothing is absolutely safe. The water that you're drinking now, the authorities can't claim that it has 0 pathogenic organisms inside. It passes inspection if the water quality is above a certain threshold. Same with GM crops. There are two main risks: pesticide usage and potential for allergy. For the first, the risk is minimized by proper farm management practices and quality control along the supply chain. Tests are regularly conducted for pesticide levels, presence of pests and parasites, etc. Non-GM crops are also subject to the same risks. For the second, there is the chance that the gene introduced may produce a protein that causes an allergic reaction in some. Possible, but exceedingly rare if caution is taken (many allergens are known). Article: http://jxb.oxfordjournals.org/content/54/386/1317.full
Nothing is safe, but you took an example that is essential to us. GMOs on the contrary were never necessary, they never responded to our need but rather appeared over years of research. Never were we on the verge of starving. Next, you speak of two main threats, when the question was "is it inherently safe". You simply dissmissed questions that rose over the years and remain unanswered. A few examples :
Although the biotech industry confidently asserted that gene transfer from GM foods was not possible, the only human feeding study on GM foods later proved that it does take place. The genetic material in soybeans that make them herbicide tolerant transferred into the DNA of human gut bacteria and continued to function. That means that long after we stop eating a GM crop, its foreign GM proteins may be produced inside our intestines. It is also possible that the foreign genes might end up inside our own DNA, within the cells of our own organs and tissues.
The idea that a major part of our DNA is "garbage" ignored the fact that a key feature of biological organisms is optimal energy expenditure. To carry enormous amounts of unnecessary molecules is contrary to this fundamental energy saving feature of biological organisms. Increasing evidence are now indicating many important functions of this DNA, including various regulatory roles.
This means that this so-called non-coding DNA influences the behavior of the genes, the "coding DNA", in important ways. Still there is very little knowledge about the relationship between non-coding DNA and the DNA of genes.
This adds to other factors making it impossible to foresee and control the effect of artificial insertion of foreign genes.
+ the AAEM's recommendation to avoid GMOs when in doubt.
On July 01 2012 21:54 Heh_ wrote: B) Testing is performed before releasing to the public. If any adverse reactions were detected, the product will obviously not be released. You could argue the case that there could be long-term consequences; true, but drugs are released after trials that span a few years. It could be argued that there hasn't been an increase in whatever disease due to consumption of GM food, 18 years after it was released to the market. Yes, some drugs get recalled. But drugs are radically different from uncontaminated food.
You said it. There has been no long-term testing. And there has been no studies on the effects on the population as GMOs have no tracability whatsoever.
On July 01 2012 21:54 Heh_ wrote: C) GM food is one of the ways to boost crop yields. Faster growth, less wastage due to pests, even supplementing vital nutrients to undernourished people (golden rice). These are huge potential benefits. Some risks are overstated, like the risk of cross-contamination of non-GM plots (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18227452) and food safety (see above).
See above. You simply dismissed the most important questions in regards to genetic engineering. While GMOs have helped in some regions, it led others to starve (see the India example, again).
On July 01 2012 21:54 Heh_ wrote: D) No change to what? Using non-GM technology? Food production has stagnated while food demand has steadily increased. There is a shortage of arable land, together with pressure for biofuel crops. The potential food crisis of the 1980s was averted by the Green Revolution, but demand has caught up, and a second Green Revolution is required.
Not at all. In fact, thousands of tons are wasted every year. Also:
And yet, the world’s biggest ever agricultural study – the work of 400 scientists and 60 governments, headed by Dr Bob Watson, now Chief Scientist at Department of the Environment, Food and Agriculture – concluded that GM was not the simple answer to poverty. In truth, it could even do more harm than good.
For a start there is the inconvenient truth that it is far from clear that genetic modification does increase yields. The biotech industry cites evidence to support its insistence that it does, but other studies actually show a decrease. One, at the University of Nebraska, for example, revealed that five different GM soyas produced an average of 6.7 per cent less than their closest unmodified relatives, and ten per cent less than the most productive conventional soyas available at the time.
The results suggest two factors are responsible. First, it takes time to modify a plant and, in the meantime, better and higher yielding conventional ones are being developed. And second, the fact that GM plants did worse than their nearest unmodified relatives suggests that the very process of modification lessens productivity.
Of course, it may well be that biotechnology eventually overcomes these obstacles to produce unambiguously higher yielding crops. But even that will not necessarily answer world hunger. For increasing food production, though sorely needed, does not of itself solve hunger. India now has both a grain surplus, and hundreds of millions of hungry people, because the poor cannot afford to buy the food they need.
Any realistic hunger-beating strategy has to help poor people earn more – or grow more food for themselves, for many of the world’s hungry are themselves small farmers. GM seeds are more expensive than conventional ones, and so they can’t afford them and they tend to be bought by richer farmers instead. If they were to succeed in increasing yields the rich are likely to use their increased economic power to drive the poor off their land. This happened during the Green Revolution, which greatly increased yields but often led to greater hunger.
On July 01 2012 21:54 Heh_ wrote: E) One more point about "new things popping up". In the case of GM food, you're in contol of what's "popping up". You can't control natural mutation to unmodified parts of the genome. A mutation that boosts yields (and thus be selected for) may also produce a deadly toxin, and this can happen in both GM and non-GM crops.
See above.
Also, three more thoughts : F)couldn't genetic modifications be wrong from an ethical point of view, G)is the patenting of various forms of life not worth debating and H)is the direct and private control of expensive and mutually necessary products that are the very source of our food not dangerous, especially in the case of a monopoly?
I don't pretend to have a single clue about wether GMOs are a good or a bad thing, but I find it hardly believable that you do. Skepticism is, in this case, totally reasonable.
The southern part of Germany is perfect for you. I am from Norway, but I have lived in Germany for 8 years now and the food is just excellent! The bread is good, the meat has high quality and you get one of the best beer here. Since Germany is more or less in the middle of Europe, they have a lot of immigrants from the neighborhood who have brought with them their momma's recipes (Italian, Greek, French, Turkish, you name it). What, you have Italian restaurants too? Well, you probably don't have 10 restaurants in one block with razor sharp competition. If that is not enough, Italy is a fucking stonethrow away from your doorsteps, so you can jump into Ryan air in the morning, eat a good meal in Rome and be back for beer in the evening.
On July 01 2012 21:55 lefix wrote: I don't know why you would want to go to the us and even list bread as one of the reasons. they don't even have real bread there. when i was living in the usa my parents sent me german bread for my birthday and it was like the best present ever. i missed bread so much. :D
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This.
American bread is really not worth mentioning, if you were born and raised in western europe. But maybe it is even worse in singapore?
Yes, let's assume that GM-organism DNA being incorporated into inactive DNA of gut bacteria is somehow worse than non-GM organism DNA being incorporated into inactive DNA of gut bacteria.
I have to say... if you're after good bread and meat... The Netherlands is probably the best place I've ever been. Also Denmark. I mean... it's amazing. You don't get that soft white bread you find in New Zealand but the cheese and the cured meat is just incredible, and you get all kinds of different breads you'd never normally see. Oh and the beef jerky too...
When I was in Amsterdam I asked for a "flat white" in a cafe... that was awkward. How was I to know that no-one else in the world calls an expresso coffee with milk a "flat white" except New Zealand and Australians?
It's really good and cool to visit countries and experience new cultures, but you should never forget that there is only one place that truly is your home, and you should appreciate it.. I worked abraod and visited quite some countries over the years, and as much as I love those other cultures, they really make me appreciate my home more and more..
So I'll go back to what was said a few pages ago - there is no problem with "cooking a cow", you don't have to ask a chef, ask anyone over 40. Grass-fed beef tastes entirely different, it isn't even close. But I wouldn't focus on meat arguing organic vs GMO, some people actually PREFER the taste of GMO meats, if you ever had organic you would know that it is leaner and more flavorful (actual meat flavor which many people don't have idea about anymore) - I like to compare fruit and veggies. It is absolutely clear that nothing comes close to organic strawberries and watermelons, tomatoes and cucumbers, bananas and peaches. Did you ever try ripe organic peach? It is fucking amazing, one of the best fruit in the world. The shit they sell at stop and shop all year long is a disgrace. I avoid it, same as plums and other garbage. Apples come out okay, same as potatoes, celery and some other things. But saying that GMO isn't worse than organic is absolutely crazy. I don't care if you drive around with 2 american flags sticking out of your doors (yes, Probe1?)
On July 02 2012 06:48 serge wrote: Yes, let's assume that GM-organism DNA being incorporated into inactive DNA of gut bacteria is somehow worse than non-GM organism DNA being incorporated into inactive DNA of gut bacteria.
Fucking IDIOT.
Even though I am not going as far as arguing against GMO on basis of safety (just taste), I would say that your stance is more idiotic than his. There is a certain concern about GMO foods and scientifically sound theories explaining why. Unless you're a PhD in genetics or microbiology I wouldn't be gaping my mouth like that.
I have been to the US 4 times in my life and let me tell you: The food is pretty bad. The problem with the food is that EVERYTHING has more sugar and grease than Asian/European food. When you buy something in a store in the US it's such a challenge to find something without high fructose corn syrup, which I believe is basically sugar, but worse for your health. Even bread(not that you should buy bread in the US, it's awful) has this. The exact same products in the US have more sugar in the food than in Europe. However, the US has a lot of cheap restaurants with good hamburgers and steaks.
On July 02 2012 18:29 Recognizable wrote: I have been to the US 4 times in my life and let me tell you: The food is pretty bad. The problem with the food is that EVERYTHING has more sugar and grease than Asian/European food. When you buy something in a store in the US it's such a challenge to find something without high fructose corn syrup, which I believe is basically sugar, but worse for your health. Even bread(not that you should buy bread in the US, it's awful) has this. The exact same products in the US have more sugar in the food than in Europe. However, the US has a lot of cheap restaurants with good hamburgers and steaks.
The general consensus seems to be that Europe has better produce. I can't say anything about this because I really have no idea how to compare =S
I love the heavy German bread, Swiss Zopf, Norwegian Salmon, and such :D
Singapore has a huge variety of food, and all the ingredients are so easily accessible. You can definitely have western lifestyle everyday if you want to.