Reasons to Quit SC - Page 2
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Flying_Llama
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BuGzlToOnl
United States5918 Posts
On November 25 2007 04:17 Cambium wrote: Job does not help. I tried to quit soooooo many times, and every time, I played even more after I quit just to get to where I was before I quit (and better due to the time investment). It's hard to quit >.< Job doesn't help, GF doesn't help. You just end up losing sleep -_-;; LOL, dude your really sad if you can't just walk a way. | ||
intrigue
Washington, D.C9931 Posts
On November 25 2007 04:35 BuGzlToOnl wrote: LOL, dude your really sad if you can't just walk a way. lmao 'your' a moron | ||
Rev0lution
United States1805 Posts
It's either SC or Heroine Hero. | ||
Snet
United States3573 Posts
On November 25 2007 05:16 Rev0lution wrote: I quit, but there will be other addictions. It's either SC or Heroine Hero. If you're serious about recovering there's Rehab Hero. | ||
micronesia
United States24342 Posts
On November 24 2007 19:19 nA.Inky wrote: If I felt like bw had had a strong negative influence on my life, I would totally understand where you were coming from. The problems I am having now aren't that bw is ruining my life/social life/etc, but more that it's just a big bother whether if I play it or don't. Cold turkey is one of my few most viable choices, though. The hard part will be quitting the community aspect of it cold turkey (I've spoken to several people on a daily basis for 1-2 years online because of starcraft). I guess I could decide which community elements I could continue while still being able to quit actively playing.I can only relate my own story. At my best, I was a pretty skilled player, capable of taking down some name players here and there (of course I was not as good as said players), so I know what it is like to be dedicated and to practice. I was addicted to BW from patch 1.07, starting back in 2000, or so, all the way to Summer 2005. My social life was sucking, and I was depressed about that. The game was kind of getting stagnant, though it was still very fun. I made a conscious decision to quit BW to focus on making friends and meeting women. Of course, at that time, which took 3 or 4 months, I failed miserably at making friends and meeting women, but by the time Winter rolled around and I fell back into BW, enough time elapsed for me to have lost a considerable amount of skill. I regained a lot over Winter break, but it just wasn't the same. So I quit again and decided to work more on art and music and other interests. After that it just wasn't easy enough to get back into BW - I sucked and, like you, I couldn't play if I wasn't at my best level and improving. So.. my advice? Cold turkey. Make a decision. Stop playing. Throw away the disc. It's worth it. BW is a trap. The only way it is good is if you are competitive, and to be competitive you have to sacrifice your life. For what? This game is going nowhere. It's a brilliant game, but it's going nowhere - the game also lacks the beauty and excitement it did a few years ago. It is soooooo stagnant. Find something that will enrich your life for good, and stick to that. Fill the void left by BW with something new. Learn to juggle. Learn an instrument. Learn a skill. Pick up art. Pick up women. Visit friends. Socialize. Learn something. Get yourself in shape. Sometimes I itch for BW - I still have my disc. But there is no easy way for me to find opponents. And I suck so much now that the idea of playing is very unappealing when I give it any thought. Even replays suck these days. I'm glad I left it behind. I'm better than I've ever been on guitar, and I've been with several women - I was very serious with one of them. I have plenty of friends and a better and more balanced outlook on life. I am in excellent physical condition. Well, looking at this, I see it is no help to you. Hopefully it is some kind of support/encouragement, though. I have no regrets about quitting. It sounds like you want to quit... so the best I can say is do it like any other addict, throw your shit away and just go through it. Find something else to dig into. Nick On November 24 2007 19:50 boudiou wrote: Yes, I have tried this since it's a good idea. In the short term, I have found this to work. What seemed to happen though was that after a while I would need to play more and more before I was satisfied, as beating on weaker players is only fun for so long. It's also very hard to find people who are at very close to my level who also are about as out of shape as I am over a long period of time. Although TBH I'm not sure if that would make things much better or not.You should probably try to stick to a small group of players you know and that you like who are playing at the same rate as you are. Even if they are weaker than you it should not be much of a problem. Make fun with the games you play, try funny things, go wild, stick away from standard builds and play for the fun to try someting. Basically the two ideas I can give. hope this helped. On November 24 2007 21:30 BluzMan wrote: Choice 1 is interesting to think about. Unfortunately, I don't spend as much time on non-playing as you are probably assuming. I don't keep up with the pro scene, I don't watch VODs on any kind of a regular basis, I don't post on more forums than this and one other (small) one, etc. I mean, I could definitely divert some time from chatcraft and surfcraft to competativecraft, but that takes away from the experience a lot. I don't think it would be enough of a difference for me to stay in shape and play at my best level, but at the same time there will be virtually no support, which can be especially hurtful when you are in a slump or take a break and come back etc.You know, I know how it feels. I play multiplayer SC since like 2000, but over that period, I've quitted several times for various reason. Basically, I understand the game better than I play it because I lack training. I write guides on strategy, but in a real game I seem to forget it all and all the while correct my own mistakes instead of focusing on the enemy, like not building pylons in time, not getting gateways in time. Then I find myself with 1500/1000 in the bank and an opponent's army at my door. It is VERY painful to lose that way because often you know that your opponent is inferior to you, you go through his rep and say "here, here and here, you've done stupid things and should have lost" but he won because you were out of shape. And you simply don't have the time to practice enough to keep in shape. You feel struggling with yourself and losing that fight is very humiliating. Basically, when an balanced developed player improves at the game, he finds joy because he starts undrstanding new stuff and is able to observe his own progress. Mass playing for me only brings frustration. It's a huge problem, but methinks you have two opportunities: 1) Realize how much time you spend reading TL.net, viewing VODs and replays, playing with the computer and conclude that time would've better be spent on practice. Find someone of your level on TL.net and practice with him occasionally. I have several such people on my hamachi list and we are playing games sometimes. 2) Treat StarCraft as a hobby. Like chess, you might have pleasure playing a game or two, and then going off to other business, you don't have an intention to become a grandmaster anyway. Stop thinking about how you need to improve and try to pose SC as a leisure time filler and a good way to spend time with a friend. It's a mix of these two for me, but competetive attitude will only bring frustration. As for your second suggestion, I have tried that over periods of time, in the past. I always got sucked back into trying to win. On an isolated night I found I could sometimes play with several casual people for fun purposes, but even if that went well, the next day I was ready to try my hand at a tougher, more serious match. The idea of 'stop thinking about trying to improve' doesn't seem to apply as much as I would want it to since my goal lately hasn't even been to improve; it's been to involve myself in starcraft in a way that is fun or at least not miserable, yet the aforementioned problems persist. On November 24 2007 22:02 Brutalisk wrote: TBH, starting to follow the progamer scene might reduce my frustration levels and take up less time. Of course, I am not playing then, but it's possible I won't mind if I'm keeping up with it (sort of like the way some people watch professional football/baseball/basketball without playing it for long periods of time and yet they are still satisfied). I'll think about it, thanks!I had the same feelings many years back. When I start a competitive game, I want to become good, but I just never had the time to put enough effort in it. I always was in the average region with a few "lucky" wins against better players. But no chance to ever raise to the top. Which was frustrating. I then thought about the situation and did exactly what Bluzman suggested in #2 here. I just tried to play for fun, to keep my level, and to have fun killing worse players. After some time, it got boring though. Which was the reason that I quit (sort of). It's been almost a year now since my last active game of SC. I still have the game installed, because I'm sometimes playing it with friends on a LAN. Or if a friend wants a quick game. But that's about it. I'm basically just watching progamer VODs now, which is entertaining enough for me, and there's zero frustration involved. I'm pretty sure there are many others here who aren't active anymore (not that surprising if you started playing many years ago) but are still around because of the awesome Korean scene. On November 25 2007 00:00 fanatacist wrote: Quitting cold turkey is certainly an option as I've mentioned before, but it doesn't address the problem I'm specifically discussing. That will result in an unfilled craving for competitive gameplay where I can improve and track my progress with my friends. One time I tried to quit for a period of a week (I actually uninstalled right after a really funny and pathetic game) but was reinstalled within a few days. The only way I've gone more than a couple of days without trying to play has been if I've been too damn busy (which has long term consequences so I try to avoid this) or for example when I was playing the supreme commander campaign for a week last week. At the end of the week I felt more like playing bw though so I dunno.Stop being an addict. Unlike substance abuse, this one is purely mental. Uninstall SC and give the CD to someone else to "hold onto," don't come back to TL, and don't talk to other people about StarCraft. End of story. If you say something along the lines of "Waah, but I want to still bet on liquibet and talk to people on TL," or some other excuse to be involved in SC, then you aren't ready to quit. On November 25 2007 00:19 Jonoman92 wrote: I think I lost a b07 rvr vs him yesterday so I don't really consider that nub bashing lol (somehow my wrists are intact). Your suggestion is related to one given earlier in the thread about how I could spend less time talking/involving and more time just playing raw games. That way I can play at least a couple of games to keep me in shape most days, as opposed to only generating the time on the weekend. As I said before I'm going to think about it and decide if I think that's viable or not.Micro what are you talking about. You can't quit sc, I simply won't let you. A serious response now. Perhaps you could dedicate less time to sc and please your need for seeing your online friends and playing the game you love if you somehow spent the time you were online more efficiently? Just play a few games with me, cali, known, or go to iccup and play a few competitive games. Playing 3-4 competitive games is a lot better than playing with certain nubs who you know you can easily win against. (I do this same thing to with faust, you do it with suppy who if i'm not mistaken doesn't give you competitive games.) On November 25 2007 01:08 RtS)Night[Mare wrote: I don't feel like personally I've changed enough that I can't go back to how I was at my peak, unlike you. However, I never was a B player like you were so we are coming from different places. I know many people who just stopped playing this game and come on once a month to chat and play a ums, and I'd love* to lose interest like that but it hasn't happened to me.Well, i think you cant really *quit* sc, but you can lose heavily the interest in it. It happened to me because i lost most of my friends; i was too good for them and no one would play against me (back when i was B on PGT). So after playing WCG and pgt went down, i was too lazy to install those korean servers. Now that iccup has appeared, im just lazy to run the software and go, plus i hate to wait over 5 minutes because i cant get a bloody D game. But thats just me. I only play ums and the extremely casual 1v1. Plus i dont have the stamina to endure more than 3 games, which is a problem. I remember i used to play at least 10 games a day omg. *When I say love I mean it would be highly convenient, not that I actually despite bw or anything. On November 25 2007 02:18 Snet wrote: As I've described earlier, it's not just about a game. It's about community involvement, and for some people, following the professional scene. Starcraft isn't a game, it's a WAY OF LIFE.I never understood people being unable to stop a video game, uninstall it and get rid of your disks. If you tried this and failed it's probably because you quit sc and just sat there, not filling it with another hobby, then your unimaginative mind thought sc was the only thing to do again. On November 25 2007 02:50 MiniRoman wrote: I've actually tried this once or twice. It was fun for a day, but didn't help me in the long run =/. Besides, believe it or not, if you are looking for it, East can provide you with all the competition (and stupid insults) you would ever need unless you get up into the low B range.Smurf into a bad east team and reign king when your frustrated of losing. Then go back over. East is the casual part of your drive and Euro/West whatever can be the competition part. On November 25 2007 03:08 BuGzlToOnl wrote: The problem is, for me, bw isn't filling in a void. I don't play sc because that's the way I deal with ______. I play sc because it's become a part of me (as would anything else you've done for almost every day for years).lol, dude it's seriously not that hard to quit. Just find something better to do with your time rather than playing SC. You just have to fill in that time void, like I said it's not that hard get a job, read a book, go for a run, just keep your mind busy. On November 25 2007 03:31 Cascade wrote: Yeah I've tried to just play less and not beat myself up over mistakes I've made that are obviously due to me being out of shape. After all, it really isn't my fault! It's really hard though. When you lose to something that you know you've defeated before, and remember exactly how to do it, and still lose to it, it doesn't matter, at least for me, how much I tell myself it's not my fault... it still becomes very unpleasant.I'm in exactly the same position, and understand you perfectly. I guess you just have to learn to appreciate playing teh game even without getting better quickly. And try to not be too upset about the stupid misstakes you are bound to do without regular practice. Also, if you are in the european timezone I'd be fun to play a few games when both of us have time. As for playing together, sure, we can always give that a go. I'm not in Europe but we can always work something out. On November 25 2007 03:41 RtS)Night[Mare wrote: I already have a job that takes up a huge amount of time, thank you. In the future, like in a couple of years, it won't take up so much time anymore, but that's off in the distance.yes, getting a job helps greatly!. You use your free time and get money at the same time! On November 25 2007 04:17 Cambium wrote: Yeah 'just losing sleep' is something I'm very familiar with. I've had the same experience (except for the GF part).Job does not help. I tried to quit soooooo many times, and every time, I played even more after I quit just to get to where I was before I quit (and better due to the time investment). It's hard to quit >.< Job doesn't help, GF doesn't help. You just end up losing sleep -_-;; On November 25 2007 04:26 Flying_Llama wrote: I don't think this will help.Hmm...i just play on and off. Maybe a 1-2 month break in between. Thanks to all who discussed this. I will refer back to the promises I made above as I try to think of new ways to make sc a positive influence rather than a negative one. | ||
greatmeh
Canada1964 Posts
after a while the game just got boring for me.... like any game I've pretty much given up on starcraft and just play for fun whenever I have the time + usually am really tired and can't work it greatly helps to realize your true interests in life like for me recently I realized that making art is my true interest and my passion so instead of always playing starcraft.. I'm always at school or at home listening to music + making artwork and yes it does require a certain amount of discipline and ambition, you must set a goal for yourself, and you must have a strong desire to succeed in life maybe it's cause I'm getting older that I realized this (I'm 21 now, and the past 3-4 years of my life have been wasted playing starcraft for the most part, so I realized this, got really pissed at myself for it, and said 'fuck it' I'm gonna work my ass off instead of playing starcraft, I've already wasted enough of my precious life you just gotta step up a level, and realize your true passion And start watching pro VODs instead of playing... it helps quit honestly.. you realize even more how great of a game this is.. it becomes a source of entertainment instead of a way to pass free time remember that thread a few weeks ago : true genius comes from obsession ... that's great inspiration to anyone who wants to succeed in life... it'll come eventually | ||
nA.Inky
United States794 Posts
You seem to want to quit, so whether or not you have any other problems in your life (as I did), BW is a problem for you now. Good luck, dude! | ||
GoOdJo
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Aurious
Canada1772 Posts
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
I think you should stop worrying about superficial things however, I can't play on a regular basis due to a rule where I am not allowed to play during weekdays. Personally, I believe it's probably just your thought process that makes you feel inferior to the people you play with, maybe if they're advancing quicker than you or whatever, but it shouldn't matter. You have to improve at your own pace, and play people at a similar skill level, and also realize that others can use more time than you can. I can probably estimate how much time you have to use for your job (my math teacher is 1st year and he usually stays at school doing work 7-8 in the night). Eventually, the workload should lighten up as you learn how to be more efficient. The best solution is just not to worry, maybe lay off the competitiveness that you have. Play to improve and have fun, and once you have more time you can be competitive. You can also use iCCup to play, I think you will find many similar skill rank people to play competitively, at the same time not worry about others improving faster than you due to their increased practice/etc. Since you feel frustrated by not being able to keep up by not staying in practice, I think you just push yourself a bit too hard to be the best you can - when in fact Starcraft should be something that is fun and challenging, not something that frustrates you - so try and lighten up, you'll always be improving and there shouldn't be a big problem, things will improve as you get more time in the next few years as your job gets easier to perform (and possibly Starcraft 2 will open up new options for you). If all else fails, you will probably have to find a way to quit, and Starcraft is an addiction and habit which will be hard to quit, so it will be a big test of your willpower. I think all in all you should be able to be fine | ||
Cambium
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Sadist
United States6978 Posts
I play 5-10 games a week, and My TvP right now is better than its ever been by far and i play way more consistent day to day because of a mouse tweak and just thinking a bit more about what I was doing wrong each game and making a conscious effort next game not to do it. | ||
Snet
United States3573 Posts
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