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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States15876 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-10 22:34:31
July 10 2008 22:25 GMT
#1
Hey everyone I need help with a Math concept. I'm doing a long series of calculus problems on and off and for some reason I just can't approach a problem in my head right now. Hopefully TL's math geniuses can help me


The problem is dealing with curves in 3D (multi-variable calculus). I have 2 curves both in parametric form and both are functionalized (parameters are functions). One is in terms of t and the other in terms of s. The question is how do I find the angle of intersection between these 2 curves and the point they intersect?
For sake of argument:


C1 = <t-3, t^2, 1-2t>
C2 = <s+2s^2, s, 3s-4>

I don't need the answer yet. I really just need to know how to approach the problem. To find the angle between the curves I thought about normal vector operations such as Dot Product and Cross Product but those don't get me anywhere.

Right now I'm stuck and don't know how to appoach this. Any help is appreciated.

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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States8807 Posts
July 10 2008 22:34 GMT
#2
there's an equality that states the norms of some vector equals the norm of the other times cos theta where theta is the angle between the two

its very similar to the cauchy schwartz inequality.

i forgot it already though.

if thats completely irrelevant im sorry, i really did forget a lot of multivariable calc already.
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Daveed
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States236 Posts
July 10 2008 22:36 GMT
#3
Well, to start, where do these curves intersect?
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States15876 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-10 22:38:27
July 10 2008 22:38 GMT
#4
I edited the OP Daveed - I need to find that also.
Scumteams tend to be roughly as good as their best member, towns tend to be roughly as good as the worst player who isn't actively detrimental. -The Fonz- Mafiascum.net
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States15876 Posts
July 10 2008 22:41 GMT
#5
ugh nevermind. I think I've figured it out a bit. I'm so dumb:

If you break all them up into parameters you get a good lead.
Scumteams tend to be roughly as good as their best member, towns tend to be roughly as good as the worst player who isn't actively detrimental. -The Fonz- Mafiascum.net
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States15876 Posts
July 10 2008 22:47 GMT
#6
x1 = -3 + t
y1 = 0 + t^2
z1 = 1 - 2t

x2 = 1 +2s
y2 = 0 + s
z2 = -4 + 3s

so C1's vector =<1,1,-2> and C2's vector = <2,1,3>.

Using Dot Product or Cross Product I can find the angle and intersection.

The #s I used are all made up so it probably wont work out neatly but I'm sure this is the right approach. Any comments?
Scumteams tend to be roughly as good as their best member, towns tend to be roughly as good as the worst player who isn't actively detrimental. -The Fonz- Mafiascum.net
Mooga
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States575 Posts
July 10 2008 22:47 GMT
#7
To find the point of intersection, equate the x y and z coordinates of C1 and C2 to each other. To find the angle of intersection, find the normal vectors of the plane and from there you can use trig to find the angle.
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States8807 Posts
July 10 2008 23:03 GMT
#8
yeah, intersection is were x1=x2 and y1=y2 and z1=z2, and if you know all the rest i guess you dont need much help. so find values of t and s that make that happen.
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clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
July 10 2008 23:12 GMT
#9
no help for the mayor!

die in hell!
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States15876 Posts
July 11 2008 00:28 GMT
#10
hah mafia scum!

Thanks guys, guess I just had a mind fart for the time being (was doing problems for ~4 hours straight).
Scumteams tend to be roughly as good as their best member, towns tend to be roughly as good as the worst player who isn't actively detrimental. -The Fonz- Mafiascum.net
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11243 Posts
July 11 2008 00:30 GMT
#11
We elected a Mayor who can't do calculus? NO WONDER I'M FUCKING DEAD JEEZ :p
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States15876 Posts
July 11 2008 01:15 GMT
#12
I can do calculus, was just confused for a sec
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