screenshots stolen from Prech
Afreeca confirmed that two more tournaments will be run in 2016. One will be run in the first half of the year, and a second one will follow. English and Chinese coverage will continue for both tournaments!
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia18993 Posts
screenshots stolen from Prech Afreeca confirmed that two more tournaments will be run in 2016. One will be run in the first half of the year, and a second one will follow. English and Chinese coverage will continue for both tournaments! | ||
REyeM
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HyralGambit
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TheOneAboveU
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Probemicro
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On January 23 2016 20:03 HyralGambit wrote: Question: still massively top heavy prizepool? when you make an offering to god , you don't share them with mere mortals, do you? | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES48898 Posts
On January 23 2016 20:04 Probemicro wrote: Show nested quote + On January 23 2016 20:03 HyralGambit wrote: Question: still massively top heavy prizepool? when you make an offering to god , you don't share them with mere mortals, do you? god? Flash confirmed for NSL season 2, you heard it here first. | ||
Maks
Ukraine167 Posts
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On January 23 2016 20:05 BLinD-RawR wrote: Show nested quote + On January 23 2016 20:04 Probemicro wrote: On January 23 2016 20:03 HyralGambit wrote: Question: still massively top heavy prizepool? when you make an offering to god , you don't share them with mere mortals, do you? god? Flash confirmed for NSL season 2, you heard it here first. effort is going down, you heard it here first. | ||
Wrath
3174 Posts
On January 23 2016 20:08 Essbee wrote: Show nested quote + On January 23 2016 20:05 BLinD-RawR wrote: On January 23 2016 20:04 Probemicro wrote: On January 23 2016 20:03 HyralGambit wrote: Question: still massively top heavy prizepool? when you make an offering to god , you don't share them with mere mortals, do you? god? Flash confirmed for NSL season 2, you heard it here first. effort is going down, you heard it here first. FlaSh returns: Effort goes down in NSL season 1, you heard it here first. FanTaSy returns: FlaSh goes down in NSL season 2, you heard it here first. | ||
Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On January 23 2016 20:12 WrathSCII wrote: Show nested quote + On January 23 2016 20:08 Essbee wrote: On January 23 2016 20:05 BLinD-RawR wrote: On January 23 2016 20:04 Probemicro wrote: On January 23 2016 20:03 HyralGambit wrote: Question: still massively top heavy prizepool? when you make an offering to god , you don't share them with mere mortals, do you? god? Flash confirmed for NSL season 2, you heard it here first. effort is going down, you heard it here first. FlaSh returns: Effort goes down in NSL season 1, you heard it here first. FanTaSy returns: FlaSh goes down in NSL season 2, you heard it here first. Jangbi starts getting good again: Fantasy does down in NSL season 3, bw is back for real. Oh, and you heard it here first... right? | ||
deus_073
Romania187 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23567 Posts
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Vortun
42 Posts
BW getting way more exposure and breaking 17k on an english cast Truly 2016 will be an amazing year | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES48898 Posts
Is this enough to free Avalon? | ||
Yiome
China1687 Posts
Without good casters and stable stream, guess I'll watch English stream instead | ||
BLinD-RawR
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MrMischelito
347 Posts
On January 23 2016 20:15 Essbee wrote: Show nested quote + On January 23 2016 20:12 WrathSCII wrote: On January 23 2016 20:08 Essbee wrote: On January 23 2016 20:05 BLinD-RawR wrote: On January 23 2016 20:04 Probemicro wrote: On January 23 2016 20:03 HyralGambit wrote: Question: still massively top heavy prizepool? when you make an offering to god , you don't share them with mere mortals, do you? god? Flash confirmed for NSL season 2, you heard it here first. effort is going down, you heard it here first. FlaSh returns: Effort goes down in NSL season 1, you heard it here first. FanTaSy returns: FlaSh goes down in NSL season 2, you heard it here first. Jangbi starts getting good again: Fantasy does down in NSL season 3, bw is back for real. Oh, and you heard it here first... right? hahaha | ||
Miragee
8267 Posts
On January 23 2016 20:15 Essbee wrote: Show nested quote + On January 23 2016 20:12 WrathSCII wrote: On January 23 2016 20:08 Essbee wrote: On January 23 2016 20:05 BLinD-RawR wrote: On January 23 2016 20:04 Probemicro wrote: On January 23 2016 20:03 HyralGambit wrote: Question: still massively top heavy prizepool? when you make an offering to god , you don't share them with mere mortals, do you? god? Flash confirmed for NSL season 2, you heard it here first. effort is going down, you heard it here first. FlaSh returns: Effort goes down in NSL season 1, you heard it here first. FanTaSy returns: FlaSh goes down in NSL season 2, you heard it here first. Jangbi starts getting good again: Fantasy does down in NSL season 3, bw is back for real. Oh, and you heard it here first... right? Jangbi sucks, I don't want to pin the fate of BW on him. | ||
Wrath
3174 Posts
BW SL will be on Monday and Thursday like this season... RIP SSL and PL | ||
Wrath
3174 Posts
On January 23 2016 21:30 Miragee wrote: Show nested quote + On January 23 2016 20:15 Essbee wrote: On January 23 2016 20:12 WrathSCII wrote: On January 23 2016 20:08 Essbee wrote: On January 23 2016 20:05 BLinD-RawR wrote: On January 23 2016 20:04 Probemicro wrote: On January 23 2016 20:03 HyralGambit wrote: Question: still massively top heavy prizepool? when you make an offering to god , you don't share them with mere mortals, do you? god? Flash confirmed for NSL season 2, you heard it here first. effort is going down, you heard it here first. FlaSh returns: Effort goes down in NSL season 1, you heard it here first. FanTaSy returns: FlaSh goes down in NSL season 2, you heard it here first. Jangbi starts getting good again: Fantasy does down in NSL season 3, bw is back for real. Oh, and you heard it here first... right? Jangbi sucks, I don't want to pin the fate of BW on him. Didn't he start streaming but then had some family issues and went to military after that? Any news on him? | ||
Probemicro
3708 Posts
On January 23 2016 20:45 Yiome wrote: Sadly they give the Chinese broadcast right exclusively to Huomao... Without good casters and stable stream, guess I'll watch English stream instead yeah huomao is more sc2...longzhu is where BW is at (where the vast majority of current China BW players also stream) just watch sk911 on longzhu? i think he is good restreamer, he sponsors balloon matches for afreeca BW players before, the stream also has some passionate viewers chipping in to help cast/translate during the big games. On January 23 2016 21:33 WrathSCII wrote: Didn't he start streaming but then had some family issues and went to military after that? Any news on him? jangbi went to military on 21 July 2015. So don't expect to see him until mid/late 2017 | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES48898 Posts
On January 23 2016 21:33 Probemicro wrote: Show nested quote + On January 23 2016 20:45 Yiome wrote: Sadly they give the Chinese broadcast right exclusively to Huomao... Without good casters and stable stream, guess I'll watch English stream instead yeah huomao is more sc2...longzhu is where BW is at (where the vast majority of current China BW players also stream) just watch sk911 on longzhu? i think he is good restreamer, he sponsors balloon matches for afreeca BW players before, the stream also has some passionate viewers chipping in to help cast/translate during the big games. Show nested quote + On January 23 2016 21:33 WrathSCII wrote: Didn't he start streaming but then had some family issues and went to military after that? Any news on him? jangbi went to military on 21 July 2015. So don't expect to see him until mid/late 2017 didn't the amount of mandatory months reduce to 21 from 24 or something? | ||
letian
Germany4221 Posts
More BW, we need more BW | ||
Probemicro
3708 Posts
On January 23 2016 21:45 BLinD-RawR wrote: Show nested quote + On January 23 2016 21:33 Probemicro wrote: On January 23 2016 20:45 Yiome wrote: Sadly they give the Chinese broadcast right exclusively to Huomao... Without good casters and stable stream, guess I'll watch English stream instead yeah huomao is more sc2...longzhu is where BW is at (where the vast majority of current China BW players also stream) just watch sk911 on longzhu? i think he is good restreamer, he sponsors balloon matches for afreeca BW players before, the stream also has some passionate viewers chipping in to help cast/translate during the big games. On January 23 2016 21:33 WrathSCII wrote: Didn't he start streaming but then had some family issues and went to military after that? Any news on him? jangbi went to military on 21 July 2015. So don't expect to see him until mid/late 2017 didn't the amount of mandatory months reduce to 21 from 24 or something? thats why i give a rough date instead of a specific one lol. also depends on factors like vocation/service type/injuries...but its around there, still a long way to go. (is there even a proposed reduction? wiki still says the usual) | ||
DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
More BW to the people! | ||
neptunusfisk
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Qikz
United Kingdom12010 Posts
On January 23 2016 20:15 Essbee wrote: Show nested quote + On January 23 2016 20:12 WrathSCII wrote: On January 23 2016 20:08 Essbee wrote: On January 23 2016 20:05 BLinD-RawR wrote: On January 23 2016 20:04 Probemicro wrote: On January 23 2016 20:03 HyralGambit wrote: Question: still massively top heavy prizepool? when you make an offering to god , you don't share them with mere mortals, do you? god? Flash confirmed for NSL season 2, you heard it here first. effort is going down, you heard it here first. FlaSh returns: Effort goes down in NSL season 1, you heard it here first. FanTaSy returns: FlaSh goes down in NSL season 2, you heard it here first. Jangbi starts getting good again: Fantasy does down in NSL season 3, bw is back for real. Oh, and you heard it here first... right? Fucking Jangbi. | ||
Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
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lestye
United States4093 Posts
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purakushi
United States3300 Posts
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nG.Templar
France32 Posts
Does anyone have some news about a possible team league (pro league ?) on Brood war ? | ||
Miragee
8267 Posts
On January 24 2016 00:43 nG.Templar wrote: Wow it's amazing for the bw scene =) Does anyone have some news about a possible team league (pro league ?) on Brood war ? Sonic had some plans back in 2015 but now we can pretty much assume that those plans went to the trash can. | ||
ErectedZenith
325 Posts
On January 24 2016 01:30 Miragee wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2016 00:43 nG.Templar wrote: Wow it's amazing for the bw scene =) Does anyone have some news about a possible team league (pro league ?) on Brood war ? Sonic had some plans back in 2015 but now we can pretty much assume that those plans went to the trash can. If Sonic manages to recover in 2017, we might have SSL and NSL played concurrently on OGN/Afreeca. | ||
miercat
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ErectedZenith
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On January 24 2016 01:36 miercat wrote: Should be overall at least 4+ tournaments a year, of this size or bigger. And also a proleague. Well let's see if OGN have any plans this year, they are splitting LCK with SpoTV this year so the time slot might allow for some BW to be thrown in. | ||
Cele
Germany4012 Posts
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sparklyresidue
United States5521 Posts
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B-royal
Belgium1330 Posts
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CrayonPopChoa
Canada761 Posts
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Wrath
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Cele
Germany4012 Posts
On January 24 2016 02:32 WrathSCII wrote: I still Remember the "Tweet for the next SSL to have English broadcast" by OGN twitter on the SSL11 finals... well SSL 11 was the last one becasue of the "sudden" lack of interest from SBENU to further sponsor Broodwar, instead focussing on Sc2 and Lol. (now only Lol) So, you can't blame OGN for Sebnu giving up on bw i think. I don't forsee pulling afreeca a similar stunt, simply because SC2 took such a big downswing in Korea recently, regarding all the retirements and the WCS changes. | ||
Antisocialmunky
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Ctesias
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TelecoM
United States10583 Posts
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lestye
United States4093 Posts
On January 24 2016 02:53 Cele wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2016 02:32 WrathSCII wrote: I still Remember the "Tweet for the next SSL to have English broadcast" by OGN twitter on the SSL11 finals... well SSL 11 was the last one becasue of the "sudden" lack of interest from SBENU to further sponsor Broodwar, instead focussing on Sc2 and Lol. (now only Lol) So, you can't blame OGN for Sebnu giving up on bw i think. I don't forsee pulling afreeca a similar stunt, simply because SC2 took such a big downswing in Korea recently, regarding all the retirements and the WCS changes. They stopped SC2 support waaaay before SSL 11. They focus on League of Legends, Hearthstone, VainGlory, and Heroes of the Storm, for now. | ||
TelecoM
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Birdie
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Miragee
8267 Posts
On January 24 2016 07:12 lestye wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2016 02:53 Cele wrote: On January 24 2016 02:32 WrathSCII wrote: I still Remember the "Tweet for the next SSL to have English broadcast" by OGN twitter on the SSL11 finals... well SSL 11 was the last one becasue of the "sudden" lack of interest from SBENU to further sponsor Broodwar, instead focussing on Sc2 and Lol. (now only Lol) So, you can't blame OGN for Sebnu giving up on bw i think. I don't forsee pulling afreeca a similar stunt, simply because SC2 took such a big downswing in Korea recently, regarding all the retirements and the WCS changes. They stopped SC2 support waaaay before SSL 11. They focus on League of Legends, Hearthstone, VainGlory, and Heroes of the Storm, for now. I don't understand. Wasn't Sonic always passionate about BW alone? o.O | ||
Entaro[AoV]
United States184 Posts
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
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Rekzr
Australia92 Posts
So 2016 could be the burning comet of Brood War. | ||
nbaker
United States1341 Posts
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ErectedZenith
325 Posts
On January 24 2016 09:56 Rekzr wrote: Well many have military service coming up so I guess nothing is really permanent after 2016 here unless new players gradually join which is highly unlikely considering the age of the game. So 2016 could be the burning comet of Brood War. But how is that possible? Brood War probably already burned off long time ago. But since Brood War was the brightest star of the eSport universe, it birthed DotA2, LoL, and SC2 to fill its void. And as the biggest star, it is now sucking everybody else inward. | ||
GTR
51126 Posts
On January 24 2016 01:39 ErectedZenith wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2016 01:36 miercat wrote: Should be overall at least 4+ tournaments a year, of this size or bigger. And also a proleague. Well let's see if OGN have any plans this year, they are splitting LCK with SpoTV this year so the time slot might allow for some BW to be thrown in. Nothing is changing in regards to their schedule. The 'split' which was agreed upon was that SpoTV can do a relay broadcast at the same time as OGN's. And it doesn't take place until the Summer split. | ||
Cele
Germany4012 Posts
On January 24 2016 07:12 lestye wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2016 02:53 Cele wrote: On January 24 2016 02:32 WrathSCII wrote: I still Remember the "Tweet for the next SSL to have English broadcast" by OGN twitter on the SSL11 finals... well SSL 11 was the last one becasue of the "sudden" lack of interest from SBENU to further sponsor Broodwar, instead focussing on Sc2 and Lol. (now only Lol) So, you can't blame OGN for Sebnu giving up on bw i think. I don't forsee pulling afreeca a similar stunt, simply because SC2 took such a big downswing in Korea recently, regarding all the retirements and the WCS changes. They stopped SC2 support waaaay before SSL 11. They focus on League of Legends, Hearthstone, VainGlory, and Heroes of the Storm, for now. Focus sure, but they still supported their sc2 team. I didnt mean it was their prime target, but it happened. | ||
The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On January 24 2016 12:08 GTR wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2016 01:39 ErectedZenith wrote: On January 24 2016 01:36 miercat wrote: Should be overall at least 4+ tournaments a year, of this size or bigger. And also a proleague. Well let's see if OGN have any plans this year, they are splitting LCK with SpoTV this year so the time slot might allow for some BW to be thrown in. Nothing is changing in regards to their schedule. The 'split' which was agreed upon was that SpoTV can do a relay broadcast at the same time as OGN's. And it doesn't take place until the Summer split. But people said OGN was very happy with how well SSL did viewer wise, etc It seems weird that they would just drop it completely. No other sponsors interested? (RIP sbenu) | ||
lestye
United States4093 Posts
On January 24 2016 12:11 The_Red_Viper wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2016 12:08 GTR wrote: On January 24 2016 01:39 ErectedZenith wrote: On January 24 2016 01:36 miercat wrote: Should be overall at least 4+ tournaments a year, of this size or bigger. And also a proleague. Well let's see if OGN have any plans this year, they are splitting LCK with SpoTV this year so the time slot might allow for some BW to be thrown in. Nothing is changing in regards to their schedule. The 'split' which was agreed upon was that SpoTV can do a relay broadcast at the same time as OGN's. And it doesn't take place until the Summer split. But people said OGN was very happy with how well SSL did viewer wise, etc It seems weird that they would just drop it completely. No other sponsors interested? (RIP sbenu) I think they were happy with the turnout, but that's different than viewership. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES48898 Posts
On January 24 2016 12:27 lestye wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2016 12:11 The_Red_Viper wrote: On January 24 2016 12:08 GTR wrote: On January 24 2016 01:39 ErectedZenith wrote: On January 24 2016 01:36 miercat wrote: Should be overall at least 4+ tournaments a year, of this size or bigger. And also a proleague. Well let's see if OGN have any plans this year, they are splitting LCK with SpoTV this year so the time slot might allow for some BW to be thrown in. Nothing is changing in regards to their schedule. The 'split' which was agreed upon was that SpoTV can do a relay broadcast at the same time as OGN's. And it doesn't take place until the Summer split. But people said OGN was very happy with how well SSL did viewer wise, etc It seems weird that they would just drop it completely. No other sponsors interested? (RIP sbenu) I think they were happy with the turnout, but that's different than viewership. also didn't SBENU pay for everything? I mean it wasn't like it was OGN's own league just that it was hosted by them. | ||
The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On January 24 2016 12:47 BLinD-RawR wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2016 12:27 lestye wrote: On January 24 2016 12:11 The_Red_Viper wrote: On January 24 2016 12:08 GTR wrote: On January 24 2016 01:39 ErectedZenith wrote: On January 24 2016 01:36 miercat wrote: Should be overall at least 4+ tournaments a year, of this size or bigger. And also a proleague. Well let's see if OGN have any plans this year, they are splitting LCK with SpoTV this year so the time slot might allow for some BW to be thrown in. Nothing is changing in regards to their schedule. The 'split' which was agreed upon was that SpoTV can do a relay broadcast at the same time as OGN's. And it doesn't take place until the Summer split. But people said OGN was very happy with how well SSL did viewer wise, etc It seems weird that they would just drop it completely. No other sponsors interested? (RIP sbenu) I think they were happy with the turnout, but that's different than viewership. also didn't SBENU pay for everything? I mean it wasn't like it was OGN's own league just that it was hosted by them. Happy birthday! Makes sense i guess. I just enjoyed OGN production a lot haha | ||
Cele
Germany4012 Posts
On January 24 2016 12:47 BLinD-RawR wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2016 12:27 lestye wrote: On January 24 2016 12:11 The_Red_Viper wrote: On January 24 2016 12:08 GTR wrote: On January 24 2016 01:39 ErectedZenith wrote: On January 24 2016 01:36 miercat wrote: Should be overall at least 4+ tournaments a year, of this size or bigger. And also a proleague. Well let's see if OGN have any plans this year, they are splitting LCK with SpoTV this year so the time slot might allow for some BW to be thrown in. Nothing is changing in regards to their schedule. The 'split' which was agreed upon was that SpoTV can do a relay broadcast at the same time as OGN's. And it doesn't take place until the Summer split. But people said OGN was very happy with how well SSL did viewer wise, etc It seems weird that they would just drop it completely. No other sponsors interested? (RIP sbenu) I think they were happy with the turnout, but that's different than viewership. also didn't SBENU pay for everything? I mean it wasn't like it was OGN's own league just that it was hosted by them. that's a good question, i've asked my self the same. Im inclined to believe the answer is yes, or at least SBENU did pay a majority. If we take into consideration OGN has made no move prior or later to do anything BW related, it seems they were not interested in putting in their own funds. Understandable, i guess. but i'd appreciate any real inside someone here might have? | ||
lestye
United States4093 Posts
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Rekzr
Australia92 Posts
On January 24 2016 11:17 ErectedZenith wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2016 09:56 Rekzr wrote: Well many have military service coming up so I guess nothing is really permanent after 2016 here unless new players gradually join which is highly unlikely considering the age of the game. So 2016 could be the burning comet of Brood War. But how is that possible? Brood War probably already burned off long time ago. But since Brood War was the brightest star of the eSport universe, it birthed DotA2, LoL, and SC2 to fill its void. And as the biggest star, it is now sucking everybody else inward. I like your neutron star analogy. Starcraft Broodwar survives as long as the players are there IMO. there are plenty of people to host tourneys both big and small. | ||
Grettin
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ImbaTosS
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SeriousLus
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esdf
Croatia736 Posts
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Pippah
Denmark352 Posts
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juvenal
2448 Posts
On January 24 2016 23:17 ImbaTosS wrote: Every time anything pops up in Broodwar, someone makes a "this may be the last [blank] we ever see", times they are a-changing post. I think that's how it's been for the last ten years or so. At some point, you have to move past that. I am a bw fanatic, but it kinda feels this way to me still. Look at the crowd at the last finals: 25-26yo guys on average, plus a total lack of fangirls. Sponsors, tournaments and active ex-pros are awesome, but the key for survival is young followers, of which there are very few. I'm enjoying it while it lasts, but can't help feeling like it's the late autumn for our game. The shit Sonic got his company into and the impending leave of Bisu don't help too. What we need is Flash and Jaedong destroying the Fish server once again. ps: does anyone know if these 2 tournaments include the next VNSL, or are they a bonus? Is the next VNSL supposed to happen? | ||
ErectedZenith
325 Posts
On January 25 2016 05:18 juvenal wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2016 23:17 ImbaTosS wrote: Every time anything pops up in Broodwar, someone makes a "this may be the last [blank] we ever see", times they are a-changing post. I think that's how it's been for the last ten years or so. At some point, you have to move past that. I am a bw fanatic, but it kinda feels this way to me still. Look at the crowd at the last finals: 25-26yo guys on average, plus a total lack of fangirls. Sponsors, tournaments and active ex-pros are awesome, but the key for survival is young followers, of which there are very few. I'm enjoying it while it lasts, but can't help feeling like it's the late autumn for our game. The shit Sonic got his company into and the impending leave of Bisu don't help too. What we need is Flash and Jaedong destroying the Fish server once again. ps: does anyone know if these 2 tournaments include the next VNSL, or are they a bonus? Is the next VNSL supposed to happen? Can we not think negatively? Can we just enjoy the ride? If by some chance that next season, someone that haven't been to a Kespa final gets the champion cup, then hey that would definitely motivate younger generation to replace the old guards. But honestly, don't really care if its the same few guys on top. As long as the games are high level enough for me to go: "Yeah there is no way I can physically execute that.", its all fine! Peeps just need to chillax! | ||
duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On January 23 2016 20:15 Essbee wrote: Show nested quote + On January 23 2016 20:12 WrathSCII wrote: On January 23 2016 20:08 Essbee wrote: On January 23 2016 20:05 BLinD-RawR wrote: On January 23 2016 20:04 Probemicro wrote: On January 23 2016 20:03 HyralGambit wrote: Question: still massively top heavy prizepool? when you make an offering to god , you don't share them with mere mortals, do you? god? Flash confirmed for NSL season 2, you heard it here first. effort is going down, you heard it here first. FlaSh returns: Effort goes down in NSL season 1, you heard it here first. FanTaSy returns: FlaSh goes down in NSL season 2, you heard it here first. Jangbi starts getting good again: Fantasy does down in NSL season 3, bw is back for real. Oh, and you heard it here first... right? July is the god of war, takes out Jangbi 4-0 in a bo5. You heard it here first | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia18993 Posts
On January 25 2016 10:33 duke91 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 23 2016 20:15 Essbee wrote: On January 23 2016 20:12 WrathSCII wrote: On January 23 2016 20:08 Essbee wrote: On January 23 2016 20:05 BLinD-RawR wrote: On January 23 2016 20:04 Probemicro wrote: On January 23 2016 20:03 HyralGambit wrote: Question: still massively top heavy prizepool? when you make an offering to god , you don't share them with mere mortals, do you? god? Flash confirmed for NSL season 2, you heard it here first. effort is going down, you heard it here first. FlaSh returns: Effort goes down in NSL season 1, you heard it here first. FanTaSy returns: FlaSh goes down in NSL season 2, you heard it here first. Jangbi starts getting good again: Fantasy does down in NSL season 3, bw is back for real. Oh, and you heard it here first... right? July is the god of war, takes out Jangbi 4-0 in a bo5. You heard it here first July vs BeSt finals rematch imo | ||
ecnahc
United States395 Posts
July vs BeSt finals rematch imo oh god edit: i just want to see light play tvz again (not on fs) | ||
SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1701 Posts
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12010 Posts
On January 25 2016 11:26 ecnahc wrote: oh god edit: i just want to see light play tvz again (not on fs) He's been playing on Circuit Breaker all day on his stream. You need to watch his stream more often | ||
ecnahc
United States395 Posts
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Miragee
8267 Posts
On January 25 2016 11:26 ecnahc wrote: oh god edit: i just want to see light play tvz again (not on fs) pls no, his TvZ was almost as disgusting as ForGG's... | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES48898 Posts
On January 26 2016 08:22 Miragee wrote: Show nested quote + On January 25 2016 11:26 ecnahc wrote: July vs BeSt finals rematch imo oh god edit: i just want to see light play tvz again (not on fs) pls no, his TvZ was almost as disgusting as ForGG's... you mean disgustingly good right? Hes one of the best if not the best TvZers of all time. | ||
Miragee
8267 Posts
On January 26 2016 11:21 BLinD-RawR wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2016 08:22 Miragee wrote: On January 25 2016 11:26 ecnahc wrote: July vs BeSt finals rematch imo oh god edit: i just want to see light play tvz again (not on fs) pls no, his TvZ was almost as disgusting as ForGG's... you mean disgustingly good right? Hes one of the best if not the best TvZers of all time. I won't deny that his TvZ was very good. One of the best? Maybe. The best? Definitely not. What I meant was that his style was very painful to watch for a zerg player like me. It was disgustingly exploitative. There was no beauty to it like in Fantasy's or Hwasin's TvZ for example. | ||
Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On January 26 2016 17:26 Miragee wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2016 11:21 BLinD-RawR wrote: On January 26 2016 08:22 Miragee wrote: On January 25 2016 11:26 ecnahc wrote: July vs BeSt finals rematch imo oh god edit: i just want to see light play tvz again (not on fs) pls no, his TvZ was almost as disgusting as ForGG's... you mean disgustingly good right? Hes one of the best if not the best TvZers of all time. I won't deny that his TvZ was very good. One of the best? Maybe. The best? Definitely not. What I meant was that his style was very painful to watch for a zerg player like me. It was disgustingly exploitative. There was no beauty to it like in Fantasy's or Hwasin's TvZ for example. I would argue that his fundamentals far exceeds that of FanTaSy's, and his failings in the match-up was more to do with his failings as a player, rather than his limitations in that specific match-up. Flash rated him very highly for his pure fundamentals, and just watching dismantle lesser players with his monstrous mechanics was a sight to behold. Hwasin was a very linear player who exceeded in timing attacks, and his ability to pull off huge wins off his battling capability, but had no where near the amount of late game management and multitasking ability of Light's. Just in terms ability in this one specific match-up, I would rank Light above both Hwasin and FanTaSy to be honest. | ||
ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3208 Posts
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Miragee
8267 Posts
On January 26 2016 21:37 Letmelose wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2016 17:26 Miragee wrote: On January 26 2016 11:21 BLinD-RawR wrote: On January 26 2016 08:22 Miragee wrote: On January 25 2016 11:26 ecnahc wrote: July vs BeSt finals rematch imo oh god edit: i just want to see light play tvz again (not on fs) pls no, his TvZ was almost as disgusting as ForGG's... you mean disgustingly good right? Hes one of the best if not the best TvZers of all time. I won't deny that his TvZ was very good. One of the best? Maybe. The best? Definitely not. What I meant was that his style was very painful to watch for a zerg player like me. It was disgustingly exploitative. There was no beauty to it like in Fantasy's or Hwasin's TvZ for example. I would argue that his fundamentals far exceeds that of FanTaSy's, and his failings in the match-up was more to do with his failings as a player, rather than his limitations in that specific match-up. Flash rated him very highly for his pure fundamentals, and just watching dismantle lesser players with his monstrous mechanics was a sight to behold. Hwasin was a very linear player who exceeded in timing attacks, and his ability to pull off huge wins off his battling capability, but had no where near the amount of late game management and multitasking ability of Light's. Just in terms ability in this one specific match-up, I would rank Light above both Hwasin and FanTaSy to be honest. That's not what I was talking about. Again, I don't deny that his TvZ was very strong. But I didn't like to watch it. It made me feel sick to my stomach. In contrast, watching Fantasy for his innovative/interesting play and Hwasin for his elegant micro was much more satisfying and beautiful to watch as a zerg. Light just exploited what zerg was weakest at and stomped down the road. Sure that's smart but I thought we were talking about _observing_. Reducing Hwasin to timing pushes is also not fair. He had really good M&M control which brought a lot of force to his continuous pushes. On January 26 2016 22:17 ne4aJIb wrote: Yeah, Light raped every zerg, except Kwanro. fixed that for you. | ||
Caspas
Germany157 Posts
On January 25 2016 05:18 juvenal wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2016 23:17 ImbaTosS wrote: Every time anything pops up in Broodwar, someone makes a "this may be the last [blank] we ever see", times they are a-changing post. I think that's how it's been for the last ten years or so. At some point, you have to move past that. I am a bw fanatic, but it kinda feels this way to me still. Look at the crowd at the last finals: 25-26yo guys on average, plus a total lack of fangirls. Sponsors, tournaments and active ex-pros are awesome, but the key for survival is young followers, of which there are very few. I'm enjoying it while it lasts, but can't help feeling like it's the late autumn for our game. The shit Sonic got his company into and the impending leave of Bisu don't help too. What we need is Flash and Jaedong destroying the Fish server once again. ps: does anyone know if these 2 tournaments include the next VNSL, or are they a bonus? Is the next VNSL supposed to happen? I totally agree. In my opinion there is one major condition to make BW big again in Korea: Kespa-teams have to revive (small) BW-rosters that can and do support young/new players. If thats established they may grow until BW is back in its former glory. Sadly the graphics makes it really unappealing to Dota-, LoL- and SC2.players. Maybe they should change to Starbow in 2-3 years . | ||
konadora
Singapore66060 Posts
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CheAse
Canada919 Posts
This could be the best news I've heard in years. | ||
skirmisheR
Sweden451 Posts
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riyanme
Philippines940 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES48898 Posts
On January 27 2016 02:44 konadora wrote: great to hear, at least there is still hope for BW lets lobby for triathlon for next season now. | ||
Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
On January 26 2016 17:26 Miragee wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2016 11:21 BLinD-RawR wrote: On January 26 2016 08:22 Miragee wrote: On January 25 2016 11:26 ecnahc wrote: July vs BeSt finals rematch imo oh god edit: i just want to see light play tvz again (not on fs) pls no, his TvZ was almost as disgusting as ForGG's... you mean disgustingly good right? Hes one of the best if not the best TvZers of all time. I won't deny that his TvZ was very good. One of the best? Maybe. The best? Definitely not. What I meant was that his style was very painful to watch for a zerg player like me. It was disgustingly exploitative. There was no beauty to it like in Fantasy's or Hwasin's TvZ for example. As far as I remember Fantasy was known for going mech-only TvZ, because he would lose left and right with his bio control. Nothing appealing in this. Only at the end of pro-BW he started relying more on his bio-based builds. Also as a zerg player I can't agree with you :/ Light's TvZs were most anticipated for me (well, after Flash v JD, and any other T v JD) | ||
thezanursic
5478 Posts
On January 24 2016 01:35 ErectedZenith wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2016 01:30 Miragee wrote: On January 24 2016 00:43 nG.Templar wrote: Wow it's amazing for the bw scene =) Does anyone have some news about a possible team league (pro league ?) on Brood war ? Sonic had some plans back in 2015 but now we can pretty much assume that those plans went to the trash can. If Sonic manages to recover in 2017, we might have SSL and NSL played concurrently on OGN/Afreeca. His credibility is gone, I don't see the sponsors taking a chance. | ||
amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On January 27 2016 19:52 BLinD-RawR wrote: Show nested quote + On January 27 2016 02:44 konadora wrote: great to hear, at least there is still hope for BW lets lobby for Avalon for next season now. | ||
ErectedZenith
325 Posts
On January 27 2016 23:37 thezanursic wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2016 01:35 ErectedZenith wrote: On January 24 2016 01:30 Miragee wrote: On January 24 2016 00:43 nG.Templar wrote: Wow it's amazing for the bw scene =) Does anyone have some news about a possible team league (pro league ?) on Brood war ? Sonic had some plans back in 2015 but now we can pretty much assume that those plans went to the trash can. If Sonic manages to recover in 2017, we might have SSL and NSL played concurrently on OGN/Afreeca. His credibility is gone, I don't see the sponsors taking a chance. That's fine because he is the one sponsoring. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES48898 Posts
On January 28 2016 00:33 amazingxkcd wrote: Show nested quote + On January 27 2016 19:52 BLinD-RawR wrote: On January 27 2016 02:44 konadora wrote: great to hear, at least there is still hope for BW lets lobby for Avalon for next season now. are you going to fix the pathing issues on the map? | ||
Miragee
8267 Posts
On January 28 2016 01:07 BLinD-RawR wrote: Show nested quote + On January 28 2016 00:33 amazingxkcd wrote: On January 27 2016 19:52 BLinD-RawR wrote: On January 27 2016 02:44 konadora wrote: great to hear, at least there is still hope for BW lets lobby for Avalon for next season now. are you going to fix the pathing issues on the map? Maps without pathing issues are for scrubs. That's where the real multi-tasking challenge lies. All hail to Neo Medusa and siblings. | ||
Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17708 Posts
On January 26 2016 23:19 Miragee wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2016 21:37 Letmelose wrote: On January 26 2016 17:26 Miragee wrote: On January 26 2016 11:21 BLinD-RawR wrote: On January 26 2016 08:22 Miragee wrote: On January 25 2016 11:26 ecnahc wrote: July vs BeSt finals rematch imo oh god edit: i just want to see light play tvz again (not on fs) pls no, his TvZ was almost as disgusting as ForGG's... you mean disgustingly good right? Hes one of the best if not the best TvZers of all time. I won't deny that his TvZ was very good. One of the best? Maybe. The best? Definitely not. What I meant was that his style was very painful to watch for a zerg player like me. It was disgustingly exploitative. There was no beauty to it like in Fantasy's or Hwasin's TvZ for example. I would argue that his fundamentals far exceeds that of FanTaSy's, and his failings in the match-up was more to do with his failings as a player, rather than his limitations in that specific match-up. Flash rated him very highly for his pure fundamentals, and just watching dismantle lesser players with his monstrous mechanics was a sight to behold. Hwasin was a very linear player who exceeded in timing attacks, and his ability to pull off huge wins off his battling capability, but had no where near the amount of late game management and multitasking ability of Light's. Just in terms ability in this one specific match-up, I would rank Light above both Hwasin and FanTaSy to be honest. That's not what I was talking about. Again, I don't deny that his TvZ was very strong. But I didn't like to watch it. It made me feel sick to my stomach. In contrast, watching Fantasy for his innovative/interesting play and Hwasin for his elegant micro was much more satisfying and beautiful to watch as a zerg. Light just exploited what zerg was weakest at and stomped down the road. Sure that's smart but I thought we were talking about _observing_. Reducing Hwasin to timing pushes is also not fair. He had really good M&M control which brought a lot of force to his continuous pushes. Show nested quote + On January 26 2016 22:17 ne4aJIb wrote: Yeah, Light raped every zerg, except Kwanro. fixed that for you. Actually whats interesting to note is that after Light's 0-3 loss to Kwanro, Light became the tvz monster that we know him as today. Before the series Light had a decent tvz but it was nothing really special then he just went on a insane 13 tvz win streak which included Kwanro after. | ||
prech
United States2948 Posts
On January 28 2016 07:15 Ilikestarcraft wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2016 23:19 Miragee wrote: On January 26 2016 21:37 Letmelose wrote: On January 26 2016 17:26 Miragee wrote: On January 26 2016 11:21 BLinD-RawR wrote: On January 26 2016 08:22 Miragee wrote: On January 25 2016 11:26 ecnahc wrote: July vs BeSt finals rematch imo oh god edit: i just want to see light play tvz again (not on fs) pls no, his TvZ was almost as disgusting as ForGG's... you mean disgustingly good right? Hes one of the best if not the best TvZers of all time. I won't deny that his TvZ was very good. One of the best? Maybe. The best? Definitely not. What I meant was that his style was very painful to watch for a zerg player like me. It was disgustingly exploitative. There was no beauty to it like in Fantasy's or Hwasin's TvZ for example. I would argue that his fundamentals far exceeds that of FanTaSy's, and his failings in the match-up was more to do with his failings as a player, rather than his limitations in that specific match-up. Flash rated him very highly for his pure fundamentals, and just watching dismantle lesser players with his monstrous mechanics was a sight to behold. Hwasin was a very linear player who exceeded in timing attacks, and his ability to pull off huge wins off his battling capability, but had no where near the amount of late game management and multitasking ability of Light's. Just in terms ability in this one specific match-up, I would rank Light above both Hwasin and FanTaSy to be honest. That's not what I was talking about. Again, I don't deny that his TvZ was very strong. But I didn't like to watch it. It made me feel sick to my stomach. In contrast, watching Fantasy for his innovative/interesting play and Hwasin for his elegant micro was much more satisfying and beautiful to watch as a zerg. Light just exploited what zerg was weakest at and stomped down the road. Sure that's smart but I thought we were talking about _observing_. Reducing Hwasin to timing pushes is also not fair. He had really good M&M control which brought a lot of force to his continuous pushes. On January 26 2016 22:17 ne4aJIb wrote: Yeah, Light raped every zerg, except Kwanro. fixed that for you. Actually whats interesting to note is that after Light's 0-3 loss to Kwanro, Light became the tvz monster that we know him as today. Before the series Light had a decent tvz but it was nothing really special then he just went on a insane 13 tvz win streak which included Kwanro after. Just to clarify, I think by "today", you mean 2011 and yonder. Not sure if Light will (ever) return to form, but in 2016, but his TvZ is far from dominant and he struggles against even high level amateurs. Not sure if it's the lack of crisp bio control or slow mech switch, but alas, in his current form, his TvP is more effective than his TvZ. These days, Mind, Sea, PianO, Last, HiyA, and several others are far stronger at TvZ | ||
konadora
Singapore66060 Posts
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17708 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES48898 Posts
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
revive the PL! | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES48898 Posts
On April 22 2016 19:26 letian wrote: good news, glad to see more BW tournaments, but we need more young players. revive the PL! btw this isn't a new thread, you posted the same thing before. | ||
letian
Germany4221 Posts
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WGT-Baal
France3133 Posts
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pebble444
Italy2469 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10583 Posts
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DracoVolantus
Poland231 Posts
and yes, somebody should make power rank and do it on 'once every 3 motnhs' basis for example. | ||
The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Anybody has any idea what happened with this? | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES48898 Posts
On May 04 2016 00:18 The_Red_Viper wrote: So people expected afreeca to announce their bw league after the gsl finals, they didn't :/ Anybody has any idea what happened with this? not people, just person. :/ | ||
afreecaTV.Char
United States330 Posts
On May 04 2016 00:18 The_Red_Viper wrote: So people expected afreeca to announce their bw league after the gsl finals, they didn't :/ Anybody has any idea what happened with this? Small update: There is something in the works, but nothing is confirmed or being announced yet. We will see something in Summer most likely. | ||
Wrath
3174 Posts
On May 05 2016 03:22 afreecaTV.Char wrote: Show nested quote + On May 04 2016 00:18 The_Red_Viper wrote: So people expected afreeca to announce their bw league after the gsl finals, they didn't :/ Anybody has any idea what happened with this? Small update: There is something in the works, but nothing is confirmed or being announced yet. We will see something in Summer most likely. Hopefully... | ||
outscar
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Cryoc
Germany909 Posts
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Jealous
9968 Posts
On May 22 2016 23:36 outscar wrote: And GSL 2 already announced but nothing about BW. Why they give hope to players and fans while they don't give a shit about BW anymore? This is pissing me off... -_- As usual, your colorful and emotional language makes you say what you surely do not mean. What have you done that is so much greater than afreeca.tv that you can say "they don't give a shit about BW?" What service have you provided that rivals the magnitude of what afreeca has done in allowing pros to generate hundreds of hours of content per week, get paid, play in tournaments, and have it cast in English? Please, mind your manners. In any venture in any business there are bound to be setbacks, losses, dropped projects, etc. We don't know anything specific about what happened/what is happening at all, so don't shit on the people from whom you wish to obtain something. | ||
outscar
2788 Posts
On May 23 2016 02:45 Jealous wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2016 23:36 outscar wrote: And GSL 2 already announced but nothing about BW. Why they give hope to players and fans while they don't give a shit about BW anymore? This is pissing me off... -_- As usual, your colorful and emotional language makes you say what you surely do not mean. What have you done that is so much greater than afreeca.tv that you can say "they don't give a shit about BW?" What service have you provided that rivals the magnitude of what afreeca has done in allowing pros to generate hundreds of hours of content per week, get paid, play in tournaments, and have it cast in English? Please, mind your manners. In any venture in any business there are bound to be setbacks, losses, dropped projects, etc. We don't know anything specific about what happened/what is happening at all, so don't shit on the people from whom you wish to obtain something. Ah, it's you again defending as expected. What Afreeca done besides organizing one event of VNSL which sponsored by Vant 36.5? They became big company, bought Gomtv and leading GSL thanks to percentage of donations for BW pros. They just forgot their roots just like every big company else (OGN who swithec to LoL, KeSPA who gives 0 shit about BW now, Sonic who has gone greedy and started organizing SC2 SSL & Proleague). They announced they gonna host 2 tourneys - one in 1st half and 2nd in 2nd half - on January! Look how much time passed where SC2 already finished tons of tourneys. That's not normal because that's not how tournament regime works, the game will gonna die with that huge interval and halt like it was post kespa era when Sonic tried to revive it. And besides this I have my own personal reasons to shit on Afreeca. Also it's Afreeca's fault we lost one of the biggest BW VOD youtube channel. I waited so long before posting this because I was hoping that Afreeca will give a fresh start and new life to BW but still same shit. | ||
Jealous
9968 Posts
On May 23 2016 03:48 outscar wrote: Show nested quote + On May 23 2016 02:45 Jealous wrote: On May 22 2016 23:36 outscar wrote: And GSL 2 already announced but nothing about BW. Why they give hope to players and fans while they don't give a shit about BW anymore? This is pissing me off... -_- As usual, your colorful and emotional language makes you say what you surely do not mean. What have you done that is so much greater than afreeca.tv that you can say "they don't give a shit about BW?" What service have you provided that rivals the magnitude of what afreeca has done in allowing pros to generate hundreds of hours of content per week, get paid, play in tournaments, and have it cast in English? Please, mind your manners. In any venture in any business there are bound to be setbacks, losses, dropped projects, etc. We don't know anything specific about what happened/what is happening at all, so don't shit on the people from whom you wish to obtain something. Ah, it's you again defending as expected. What Afreeca done besides organizing one event of VNSL which sponsored by Vant 36.5? They became big company, bought Gomtv and leading GSL thanks to percentage of donations for BW pros. They just forgot their roots just like every big company else (OGN who swithec to LoL, KeSPA who gives 0 shit about BW now, Sonic who has gone greedy and started organizing SC2 SSL & Proleague). They announced they gonna host 2 tourneys - one in 1st half and 2nd in 2nd half - on January! Look how much time passed where SC2 already finished tons of tourneys. That's not normal because that's not how tournament regime works, the game will gonna die with that huge interval and halt like it was post kespa era when Sonic tried to revive it. And besides this I have my own personal reasons to shit on Afreeca. Also it's Afreeca's fault we lost one of the biggest BW VOD youtube channel. I waited so long before posting this because I was hoping that Afreeca will give a fresh start and new life to BW but still same shit. What Afreeca has done is created a service through which gamers can stream and make money off of streaming. Without Afreeca there would be no Flash, Bisu, Effort, Shuttle, etc. streams. That is the ROOT of the BW scene. Without Afreeca, there would be NONE of the things you enjoy now, besides maybe TSL. So if you're saying that Afreeca will kill the BW scene by being late/having issues with on a tournament, you're ignoring the fact that Afreeca is the one that gave it life post-KeSPA in the first place. To speak down to Afreeca for your position is so mind-boggling to me. You could say "I hope that everything is okay with Afreeca," or, "I hope these tournaments come around soon!" But, to say "they don't give a shit about BW anymore," is presumptuous and childish at best. TL;DR You want BW content? Go watch your favorite pros on Afreeca -> You want BW tournaments? Go watch Kim Carrier's league on Afreeca. You want more BW tournaments? Go watch KLM's Race Wars... on Afreeca. You get my point? Don't bite the hand that feeds. | ||
palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On May 05 2016 03:28 Wrath wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2016 03:22 afreecaTV.Char wrote: On May 04 2016 00:18 The_Red_Viper wrote: So people expected afreeca to announce their bw league after the gsl finals, they didn't :/ Anybody has any idea what happened with this? Small update: There is something in the works, but nothing is confirmed or being announced yet. We will see something in Summer most likely. Hopefully... Is it me or everyone suddenly became blind and did not see this post? I understand the hunger for an OFFLINE EVENT (which you keep failing to understand @Jealous) But can you at least cut them some slack? For now lets enjoy the Afreeca stream. I'm sure the offline events did not end forever and they will return soon. | ||
palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
On May 23 2016 05:07 Wrath wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2016 03:28 Wrath wrote: On May 05 2016 03:22 afreecaTV.Char wrote: On May 04 2016 00:18 The_Red_Viper wrote: So people expected afreeca to announce their bw league after the gsl finals, they didn't :/ Anybody has any idea what happened with this? Small update: There is something in the works, but nothing is confirmed or being announced yet. We will see something in Summer most likely. Hopefully... Is it me or everyone suddenly became blind and did not see this post? I understand the hunger for an OFFLINE EVENT (which you keep failing to understand @Jealous) But can you at least cut them some slack? For now lets enjoy the Afreeca stream. I'm sure the offline events did not end forever and they will return soon. I did read very well, and the conclusion is: it may happen or not, if yes:likely on summer or not. | ||
_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
This making me think that there should be happening a tournament already, with no news so far it looks more or less abandoned. Why making public announcements like this when no word about it after? A bit bitchy. | ||
Jealous
9968 Posts
On May 23 2016 04:45 palexhur wrote: @Jealous, please respect the others opinion, in every thread you are defending your linear point of view and for you is the only one that exist, if he thinks that Afreeca doesnt give a shit about BW, he has the right to say so, and yes they are not making this service to BW for free, you know that Afreeca makes money from the streamers?, so it is not like: oh please everybody worship Afreeca, BW community is feeling dissapointed about not having news on these two tournaments, it gives the impression that they only care about the profit from the ex pros but not making bigger things happening for the whole scene, besides here comes this guy from Afreeca and only says vague things. Respecting another's opinion isn't just a blanket that you throw on to cover all opinions. Some opinions are less valid than others. The opinion that 1 + 1 = 3 is not valid. The opinion that Afreeca doesn't care about BW is one that falls in the "less valid" category, especially when presented in the way that he did. That is actually the crux of the matter for me; the tone in which he talks about a service that has provided and continues to provide the backbone to the very scene he says Afreeca is killing. This is why is I can respect the way you presented a similar stance. I can understand disappointment, and I know that Afreeca has fiscal compensation. I'm not saying everyone should worship Afreeca either, but to make ignorant and disrespectful statements is a little too much for me to accept. @Wrath: "Keep failing to understand' is a bit of a stretch considering that it wasn't brought up in my conversation with Outscar or any other conversation I've had, for that matter. I can understand the desire for an offline league, I share in it. However, that doesn't mean we have to start talking down to the very people that provide these tournaments. On May 23 2016 05:44 _Animus_ wrote: Guys the first post speaks for itself. This making me think that there should be happening a tournament already, with no news so far it looks more or less abandoned. Why making public announcements like this when no word about it after? A bit bitchy. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/502705-afreeca-to-sponsor-2-bw-tournaments-in-2016?page=6#111 --- Adapted quote from "A Few Good Men" "[Afreeca] has neither the time nor the inclination to explain [it]self to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very [Brood War] that [they] provide, and then questions the manner in which [they] provide it. [They] would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, [they] suggest you pick up a [server], and [start a streaming service of your own, or donate money, or run a tournament of your own instead of crying and saying things like "bitchy" or "Afreeca doesn't care about Brood War"]. Either way, [they] don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to. " | ||
_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
On May 23 2016 05:45 Jealous wrote: Show nested quote + On May 23 2016 04:45 palexhur wrote: @Jealous, please respect the others opinion, in every thread you are defending your linear point of view and for you is the only one that exist, if he thinks that Afreeca doesnt give a shit about BW, he has the right to say so, and yes they are not making this service to BW for free, you know that Afreeca makes money from the streamers?, so it is not like: oh please everybody worship Afreeca, BW community is feeling dissapointed about not having news on these two tournaments, it gives the impression that they only care about the profit from the ex pros but not making bigger things happening for the whole scene, besides here comes this guy from Afreeca and only says vague things. Respecting another's opinion isn't just a blanket that you throw on to cover all opinions. Some opinions are less valid than others. The opinion that 1 + 1 = 3 is not valid. The opinion that Afreeca doesn't care about BW is one that falls in the "less valid" category, especially when presented in the way that he did. That is actually the crux of the matter for me; the tone in which he talks about a service that has provided and continues to provide the backbone to the very scene he says Afreeca is killing. This is why is I can respect the way you presented a similar stance. I can understand disappointment, and I know that Afreeca has fiscal compensation. I'm not saying everyone should worship Afreeca either, but to make ignorant and disrespectful statements is a little too much for me to accept. @Wrath: "Keep failing to understand' is a bit of a stretch considering that it wasn't brought up in my conversation with Outscar or any other conversation I've had, for that matter. I can understand the desire for an offline league, I share in it. However, that doesn't mean we have to start talking down to the very people that provide these tournaments. Show nested quote + On May 23 2016 05:44 _Animus_ wrote: Guys the first post speaks for itself. This making me think that there should be happening a tournament already, with no news so far it looks more or less abandoned. Why making public announcements like this when no word about it after? A bit bitchy. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/502705-afreeca-to-sponsor-2-bw-tournaments-in-2016?page=6#111 --- Adapted quote from "A Few Good Men" "[Afreeca] has neither the time nor the inclination to explain [it]self to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very [Brood War] that [they] provide, and then questions the manner in which [they] provide it. [They] would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, [they] suggest you pick up a [server], and [start a streaming service of your own, or donate money, or run a tournament of your own instead of crying and saying things like "bitchy" or "Afreeca doesn't care about Brood War"]. Either way, [they] don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to. " hmm im doing what i can about foreign tours and its nothing i can do for (their) offline tournaments right? They doesnt appear with anything on the matter, and when someone said like "wtf is happening" you appear calling him crybaby. Having progamers streaming is not like having tournaments like last VNSL. If you are satisfied to watch just streams many people including me are not and you should deal with it. Personally I dont find much hype in watching streams and i do it rather to kill some time than anything else. BTW do you get any money from afreeca? | ||
Jealous
9968 Posts
On May 23 2016 07:47 _Animus_ wrote: Show nested quote + On May 23 2016 05:45 Jealous wrote: On May 23 2016 04:45 palexhur wrote: @Jealous, please respect the others opinion, in every thread you are defending your linear point of view and for you is the only one that exist, if he thinks that Afreeca doesnt give a shit about BW, he has the right to say so, and yes they are not making this service to BW for free, you know that Afreeca makes money from the streamers?, so it is not like: oh please everybody worship Afreeca, BW community is feeling dissapointed about not having news on these two tournaments, it gives the impression that they only care about the profit from the ex pros but not making bigger things happening for the whole scene, besides here comes this guy from Afreeca and only says vague things. Respecting another's opinion isn't just a blanket that you throw on to cover all opinions. Some opinions are less valid than others. The opinion that 1 + 1 = 3 is not valid. The opinion that Afreeca doesn't care about BW is one that falls in the "less valid" category, especially when presented in the way that he did. That is actually the crux of the matter for me; the tone in which he talks about a service that has provided and continues to provide the backbone to the very scene he says Afreeca is killing. This is why is I can respect the way you presented a similar stance. I can understand disappointment, and I know that Afreeca has fiscal compensation. I'm not saying everyone should worship Afreeca either, but to make ignorant and disrespectful statements is a little too much for me to accept. @Wrath: "Keep failing to understand' is a bit of a stretch considering that it wasn't brought up in my conversation with Outscar or any other conversation I've had, for that matter. I can understand the desire for an offline league, I share in it. However, that doesn't mean we have to start talking down to the very people that provide these tournaments. On May 23 2016 05:44 _Animus_ wrote: Guys the first post speaks for itself. This making me think that there should be happening a tournament already, with no news so far it looks more or less abandoned. Why making public announcements like this when no word about it after? A bit bitchy. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/502705-afreeca-to-sponsor-2-bw-tournaments-in-2016?page=6#111 --- Adapted quote from "A Few Good Men" "[Afreeca] has neither the time nor the inclination to explain [it]self to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very [Brood War] that [they] provide, and then questions the manner in which [they] provide it. [They] would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, [they] suggest you pick up a [server], and [start a streaming service of your own, or donate money, or run a tournament of your own instead of crying and saying things like "bitchy" or "Afreeca doesn't care about Brood War"]. Either way, [they] don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to. " hmm im doing what i can about foreign tours and its nothing i can do for (their) offline tournaments right? They doesnt appear with anything on the matter, and when someone said wtf is happening you appear calling him like crybaby. Having progamers streaming is not like having tournaments like last VNSL. If you are satisfyed to watch just streams many people including me are not, i dont find any hype in watching streams more than killing some time. BTW do you get any money from afreeca? To be fair you said that it was "A bit bitchy," to make an "announcement and then post no word about it after" and I promptly provided you with a post that happened less than a month ago that is on the previous page, meaning that you didn't put in the tiny amount of effort necessary to satisfy your query before you to complain and point fingers about it. Also, they didn't come in and just say "wtf is happening," which is a valid question, and instead shifted straight to the blame game saying "Afreeca doesn't care about BW." These are vastly different things. I already conceded that the lack of offline leagues is saddening and that I too would like another, but bitching about it on forums accomplishes nothing and only makes that poster seem like a child who didn't get his candy when he expected it. Lol yea Afreeca funneled some of that BW money into having me post on TL shutting down entitled people instead of investing it into an offline tournament, you got me there. PS Thank you for doing what you do for foreign tournaments. | ||
_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
On May 23 2016 07:58 Jealous wrote: To be fair you said that it was "A bit bitchy," to make an "announcement and then post no word about it after" and I promptly provided you with a post that happened less than a month ago that is on the previous page, meaning that you didn't put in the tiny amount of effort necessary to satisfy your query before you to complain and point fingers about it. I saw it, but its more vague than the announcement they made at VNSL finals after which nothing happened. On May 23 2016 07:58 Jealous wrote: Also, they didn't come in and just say "wtf is happening," which is a valid question, and instead shifted straight to the blame game saying "Afreeca doesn't care about BW." These are vastly different things. I already conceded that the lack of offline leagues is saddening and that I too would like another, but bitching about it on forums accomplishes nothing and only makes that poster seem like a child who didn't get his candy when he expected it. True. It happens, people get emotional, no need to judge every word. Its also true that viewers have the right to ask for what they are promised and get angry for not getting it. On May 23 2016 07:58 Jealous wrote: Lol yea Afreeca funneled some of that BW money into having me post on TL shutting down entitled people instead of investing it into an offline tournament, you got me there. I knew there is something shady going on | ||
Wrath
3174 Posts
@Wrath: "Keep failing to understand' is a bit of a stretch considering that it wasn't brought up in my conversation with Outscar or any other conversation I've had, for that matter. I can understand the desire for an offline league, I share in it. However, that doesn't mean we have to start talking down to the very people that provide these tournaments. I did not say we should be talking down Afreeca. All I said is that you are being a little too defensive regarding that. I just hope that something happens in the summer but then I again, it is a little disappointing to be promised something in the first half of the year and end up with a possibility that we MAY see something. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES48898 Posts
Blizzard: For all I know they have their schedule to keep with their WCS events and that everything should end before Blizzcon meaning that Afreeca would have to put SC2 as their first priority because its their biggest moneymaker for the studio Studio: god knows what their schedule is like and how much time the studio takes not just for broadcasting their first priority SC2 events but also for cutting promos and other mini events, plus whatever the staff is handling. Sponsors: We rarely hear about the tournaments that almost happened, but this happens way too often, they might be having a lot of trouble with securing sponsors for the tournament, you have to understand that unlike for SC2 they don't have the additional backing from Blizzard to get a sponsor and while I imagine KONGDOO to be a huge help I honestly doubt a lot of people are stepping forward to sponsor a BW event at the current situation, I'm pretty sure this is the biggest reason why we haven't had any announcement yet. So yeah, you can be mad at afreeca for shooting themselves in the foot for announcing something and not delivering an NSL when we wanted it. but saying they don't care is absurd and moronic. | ||
Phredxor
New Zealand15074 Posts
There will be a big break after Season 2 of SSL/GSL and Proleague in which they could hopefully do something. But I guess time will tell. | ||
TelecoM
United States10583 Posts
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On May 23 2016 19:05 GGzerG wrote: I think it would be cool if Afreeca sponsored a Foreign BW Tournament too =D It would be cool for eon | ||
c3rberUs
Japan11285 Posts
Jealous, how much are they paying you? | ||
Jealous
9968 Posts
On May 23 2016 19:24 c3rberUs wrote: If we're guaranteed 2 leagues in the future I'll take it even if it's late 2016 and in 2017. BW fighting! Jealous, how much are they paying you? 2 eSports and 2 Offline Tournaments worth per year, which is why we won't have any this year. | ||
Miragee
8267 Posts
On May 24 2016 01:55 Jealous wrote: Show nested quote + On May 23 2016 19:24 c3rberUs wrote: If we're guaranteed 2 leagues in the future I'll take it even if it's late 2016 and in 2017. BW fighting! Jealous, how much are they paying you? 2 eSports and 2 Offline Tournaments worth per year, which is why we won't have any this year. bleh, they should rather support LoL with that money. That game needs more promotion and tournaments. If Riot has to finance it all by themselves they will go bankrupt before tomorrow. But no, afreeca invests the money in some jackass on TL. I bet afreeca have some personal beef with Riot and want to see them die. Everything else would be illogical at this point. | ||
afreecaTV.Char
United States330 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10583 Posts
On May 26 2016 06:52 afreecaTV.Char wrote: Apologies for being vague before, but it was the most information I had received at the time. Two more tournaments are still being planned for this year, but the second one will likely run into the beginning of next year. Thanks for the explanation. | ||
duke91
Germany1458 Posts
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rotta
5560 Posts
On May 26 2016 07:27 duke91 wrote: People on here are always so negative.... "Hell is other Starcraft fans" | ||
The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On May 26 2016 06:52 afreecaTV.Char wrote: Apologies for being vague before, but it was the most information I had received at the time. Two more tournaments are still being planned for this year, but the second one will likely run into the beginning of next year. That is fantastic to hear! Hopefully Tastosis will be available for this | ||
B-royal
Belgium1330 Posts
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c3rberUs
Japan11285 Posts
On May 26 2016 06:52 afreecaTV.Char wrote: Apologies for being vague before, but it was the most information I had received at the time. Two more tournaments are still being planned for this year, but the second one will likely run into the beginning of next year. No need to apologize. ^_^ This is good news but the key word is 'planned'. Hopefully afreeca delivers. Thanks char | ||
prech
United States2948 Posts
: ZerO, EffOrt : BeSt, Shuttle : Flash, Sea http://gall.dcinside.com/board/view/?id=starcraft_new&no=4429003 http://www.ygosu.com/community/st/285906/ | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES48898 Posts
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c3rberUs
Japan11285 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES48898 Posts
or overwatch, because that shit is dope. | ||
c3rberUs
Japan11285 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES48898 Posts
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On May 26 2016 06:52 afreecaTV.Char wrote: Apologies for being vague before, but it was the most information I had received at the time. Two more tournaments are still being planned for this year, but the second one will likely run into the beginning of next year. Thanks a lot. Finally an offline tournament! | ||
Wrath
3174 Posts
On May 26 2016 13:19 BLinD-RawR wrote: showing more bisu/protoss bias by having 2 seasons converge during fall. Can he participate after the ban on stream? I know they are completely unrelated things but still... Makes me wonder. | ||
amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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pebble444
Italy2469 Posts
Since the end of Kespa, several big institutions have been announcing this and that. And then the slate just goes blank; they on occasion have trowed out some last minute tour and made an effort; However the problem is building the trust with people; They promise this and that, and then i personally, just stop believing and stop hyping myself; Even when i read these 2 "big" tours coming out i was doubtfull allready; Its like false ardvertizment; A sandwich shop says they are doing this and that, and 1 week from now they are not doing it anymore; you go in once, twice, and after the third time you stop going; and when someone mentiones this place, or someone wants to go there, your like "oh yeah, don' t bother, they don' t deliver" Now with a sandwhich shop you can change, but here, how can you change? there is nothing to change too. Some people have stopped "following" bw because of this reason; Becoming an un-trusting institution is much more damaging for the scene that one might think. So instead of promising 1 big tour every season, they should get there shit toghether and organize 1 mega tour every 2 years. If they put all their energy and money into this, its much more productive than wanting to do too much; Quality over quantity i say | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia18993 Posts
On May 26 2016 18:56 Wrath wrote: Show nested quote + On May 26 2016 13:19 BLinD-RawR wrote: showing more bisu/protoss bias by having 2 seasons converge during fall. Can he participate after the ban on stream? I know they are completely unrelated things but still... Makes me wonder. What ban was this? Also, great to hear updates. The foreign Brood War fan beehive was getting a little to disturbed lol. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES48898 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia18993 Posts
On May 26 2016 20:22 BLinD-RawR wrote: Bisu said something about disabled people and it was in such poor taste that he got banned for about a week. Typical protoss player. They're certainly the jocks of the Starcraft world. (and isn't it odd that I just said on skype the other day that I dreamt Bisu was acting like a jerk but Nada was cool?). | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES48898 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia18993 Posts
On May 26 2016 20:59 BLinD-RawR wrote: really? jocks? Have you seen stork? Anytime, Reach, ROCK!, BeSt... Protoss are definitely the jocks. | ||
Miragee
8267 Posts
On May 26 2016 20:59 BLinD-RawR wrote: really? jocks? Have you seen stork? Stork is an exception to the rule I guess? | ||
Jealous
9968 Posts
On May 26 2016 20:59 BLinD-RawR wrote: really? jocks? Have you seen stork? I remember some photos from the Nada body thread where Stork definitely stepped his game up. He started as a pimpleface nerdling but Protoss shaped him into a man. | ||
Miragee
8267 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia18993 Posts
On May 27 2016 01:52 Miragee wrote: I think there is a missunderstanding. Could someone please explain the meaning of jock in this context? I'm confused... Replace Nerds with Zergs: his is also a typical pregame speech for SKT before playing KT. | ||
keit
1584 Posts
On May 27 2016 01:48 Jealous wrote: I remember some photos from the Nada body thread where Stork definitely stepped his game up. He started as a pimpleface nerdling but Protoss shaped him into a man. | ||
Miragee
8267 Posts
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On May 27 2016 02:03 keit wrote: Show nested quote + On May 27 2016 01:48 Jealous wrote: On May 26 2016 20:59 BLinD-RawR wrote: really? jocks? Have you seen stork? I remember some photos from the Nada body thread where Stork definitely stepped his game up. He started as a pimpleface nerdling but Protoss shaped him into a man. How the fuck you transition from image1 to image2? | ||
Jealous
9968 Posts
On May 27 2016 05:48 Wrath wrote: Show nested quote + On May 27 2016 02:03 keit wrote: On May 27 2016 01:48 Jealous wrote: On May 26 2016 20:59 BLinD-RawR wrote: really? jocks? Have you seen stork? I remember some photos from the Nada body thread where Stork definitely stepped his game up. He started as a pimpleface nerdling but Protoss shaped him into a man. How the fuck you transition from image1 to image2? End of puberty, good food cooked by house team ajumma, work-out schedule that you follow with your team, learning about self-maintenance and getting self-esteem. Your day will come, Wrath-kun. | ||
B-royal
Belgium1330 Posts
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1288 Posts
Also, Instead of calling 대국민 스타리그(National StarLeague), they might change it to Afreeca StarLeague. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES48898 Posts
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1288 Posts
On May 30 2016 14:34 BLinD-RawR wrote: are you going for qualifiers, you will be returning to korea soon right? I haven't bought my plane ticket yet. I need to sell my car first. However, mostly like it will happen that way, yes. | ||
konadora
Singapore66060 Posts
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ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1658 Posts
On May 30 2016 15:32 LaStScan wrote: Show nested quote + On May 30 2016 14:34 BLinD-RawR wrote: are you going for qualifiers, you will be returning to korea soon right? I haven't bought my plane ticket yet. I need to sell my car first. However, mostly like it will happen that way, yes. That's the BW love, selling your car for a plane ticket. Better practice ;D | ||
LaStScan
Korea (South)1288 Posts
On May 30 2016 19:32 ImbaTosS wrote: Show nested quote + On May 30 2016 15:32 LaStScan wrote: On May 30 2016 14:34 BLinD-RawR wrote: are you going for qualifiers, you will be returning to korea soon right? I haven't bought my plane ticket yet. I need to sell my car first. However, mostly like it will happen that way, yes. That's the BW love, selling your car for a plane ticket. Better practice ;D No. I am almost done with my studies in the US - -... | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES48898 Posts
On May 30 2016 19:19 konadora wrote: please new maps T_T one of the maps from the map test + Show Spoiler + | ||
c3rberUs
Japan11285 Posts
Also yes please new maps! | ||
xboi209
United States1173 Posts
On May 30 2016 19:52 LaStScan wrote: Show nested quote + On May 30 2016 19:32 ImbaTosS wrote: On May 30 2016 15:32 LaStScan wrote: On May 30 2016 14:34 BLinD-RawR wrote: are you going for qualifiers, you will be returning to korea soon right? I haven't bought my plane ticket yet. I need to sell my car first. However, mostly like it will happen that way, yes. That's the BW love, selling your car for a plane ticket. Better practice ;D No. I am almost done with my studies in the US - -... Where do you study at? | ||
Bakuryu
Germany1065 Posts
this map right now is imho pretty bad, i hope it gets changes/doesnt make it. | ||
TelecoM
United States10583 Posts
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kogeT
Poland1996 Posts
1) big main that is very difficult to defend with turrets (vs reaver or muta) 2) 3rd is very difficult to take (at least 3 points to defend with 3rd) 3) A lot of high ground makes it difficult to push 4) 2 entrances to natural - seriously? You can get harrased and overwhelmed by lings / dragons / dts all game long etc. | ||
ChApFoU
France2980 Posts
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3208 Posts
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Miragee
8267 Posts
On May 31 2016 03:18 kogeT wrote: I don't really understand why people see that as terran map: 1) big main that is very difficult to defend with turrets (vs reaver or muta) 2) 3rd is very difficult to take (at least 3 points to defend with 3rd) 3) A lot of high ground makes it difficult to push 4) 2 entrances to natural - seriously? You can get harrased and overwhelmed by lings / dragons / dts all game long etc. 1) fair enough 2) that's good for terran, just 2 base everyone 3) easy to leap-frog tanks for terran though 4) just wall of before the small choke and you will be good. Dragoons might cause a problem but it's not like they can move done the choke once they destroyed the wall from the high ground. | ||
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