KeSPA Top 30 March 2007
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Wasabi
United States3085 Posts
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
Holy shit! | ||
yubee
United States3826 Posts
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ilovezil
United States4143 Posts
By the way, does Bisu mean something like deep-seated hatred in korean? I'd appreciate anyone clarifying this. | ||
SonuvBob
Aiur21548 Posts
So uh.. ChoJJa up 11?! Ah, arrow was pointing the wrong way =P | ||
dancefayedance!~
396 Posts
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Pressure
7326 Posts
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NovaTheFeared
United States7201 Posts
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ATeddyBear
Canada2843 Posts
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rS.NonY
United States286 Posts
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useLess
United States4781 Posts
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funkie
Venezuela9373 Posts
GO 마재! | ||
SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
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Tarte
Canada933 Posts
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himurakenshin
Canada1845 Posts
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anch
United States5457 Posts
he got axed 0-3 and still keep top 10? how often do these ranks reset?? If savior keep winning, he might as well be there for next year or so. | ||
0z
Luxembourg877 Posts
5 places up ? | ||
oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Pressure
7326 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25938 Posts
On February 28 2007 21:26 Pressure wrote: 1.GARIMTO MagicNs 9.999. 0 - haha | ||
red.venom
United States4651 Posts
Why are Anytime and Pusan still up in this? ; [ I can only imagine proleague counts for a bit of this but still... | ||
sweatpants
United States940 Posts
And I'm really really proud of Iris, he's the freakin man! Much +8, not bad yourself. Nothing to say about Jesus except he deserves to be there. Xellos needs to come back and lead his troops. CJ Fighting! | ||
Wasabi
United States3085 Posts
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Seraphim
United States4467 Posts
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ATeddyBear
Canada2843 Posts
On February 28 2007 21:22 0z wrote: 16. PuSan[S.G] MBC HERO 732.8 5 5 places up ? kespa probably saw that sweet pic of him in his bathing suit | ||
0z
Luxembourg877 Posts
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Wasabi
United States3085 Posts
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Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
AHHHHHHH NOOO you know, three of the four kings are not on that list anymore. Is the oldschool that weak now? Or do they just not care anymore? | ||
a-game
Canada5085 Posts
i'm much more interested in a chart showing dominance AND longevity, not just short term results. | ||
Evilmonkey.
United States1628 Posts
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SainT
Chile1067 Posts
On February 28 2007 21:26 Pressure wrote: 1.GARIMTO MagicNs 9.999. 0 - Yeah | ||
Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
This is pretty creepy. Soon I'll have nobody to support, since all oldschool progamers will be in offlines -_-;; | ||
KizZBG
u gotta skate8152 Posts
On February 28 2007 23:20 Evilmonkey. wrote: Give me a goddamn break, how the fuck is JJu at number 5? Has he done anything recently?! Didn't he qualify for the next MSL? Savior's stats are just sick. I'm glad Bisu jumped so high there. :o | ||
Adidas343
United States103 Posts
YELLOW STOP PLAYING POKER !! Hope Garimto will be in here in the next few months. | ||
KizZBG
u gotta skate8152 Posts
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sztuczyn
Poland694 Posts
On February 28 2007 20:22 Wasabi wrote: Yellow[ArnC] - there's hope, and there's wonder... ah screw it. Looks like Hong Jin Ho ain't really up to it anymore just like most old dogs. wrong Yellow sir Yellow[ArnC] is not Hong Jin Ho | ||
We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
and who are the four kings? nada , boxer, yellow and reach? | ||
Taiche
France1963 Posts
Anyway, nice progression Bisu And GJ Nal_rA and Much ! | ||
muramasa
Canada1299 Posts
JJu is wierd, he always seems to hover at a ranking that seems just a little too high. I guess he does well in Proleauge and manages to qualify, but not go far in Starleagues. The way things are currently, it looks like Savior is gonna be in the number one spot for a long time. | ||
gulii
Sweden2791 Posts
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Taiche
France1963 Posts
On March 01 2007 02:19 gulii wrote: God damn it. Havent been online for ages. Has Savior won anything or something? Thats just sick. Er yeah, almost everything Look at the Featured Threads to know more. | ||
gulii
Sweden2791 Posts
On March 01 2007 02:24 Taiche wrote: Er yeah, almost everything Look at the Featured Threads to know more. Thanks! I think its a must. Cool guy. | ||
Musli
Poland5130 Posts
sAviOr..... NaDa..... and the rest ;-) | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36362 Posts
and after the MSL final, Savior and Bisu are going to have even more points does anyone know if the SuperFights or Shinhan Masters are included in this? | ||
SCNewb
Canada2210 Posts
wow...oov is almost out of the rankings now 0_0 | ||
Highways
Australia6098 Posts
Bisu can be the one. | ||
SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
On March 01 2007 00:45 KizZBG wrote: Boy needs to stop playing cards and see some sun and wash his face. Looks like the second coming of Iris is developing. Sigh Yellow... T.T | ||
Resonate
United Kingdom8402 Posts
oov and xellos in the 20s BW has changed so much | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On March 01 2007 00:45 KizZBG wrote: wtfwtfwt where did this come from | ||
oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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KizZBG
u gotta skate8152 Posts
SplashImage :D http://spl.fighterforum.com/ | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On March 01 2007 06:18 oneofthem wrote: haha yellow looks like me almost pic | ||
Dendra
Croatia801 Posts
i think protoss is the strongest of 'em all, it's just waiting for it's maestro to come and take the throne. | ||
oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
anyway i hope oov can pull it together once more, he's got too big of a contract. | ||
Wasabi
United States3085 Posts
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iOi
Canada1255 Posts
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pyrogenetix
United Arab Emirates5090 Posts
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
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Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
On March 01 2007 01:28 We Are Here wrote: im sure he knows and who are the four kings? nada , boxer, yellow and reach? Yeah, they're known as the four kings. Dunno who started calling them that. But that's why there are all those pictures of them together for promotional images. Also was used to hype Superfight NaDa vs Reach. - the match between the other Kings. On March 01 2007 00:45 KizZBG wrote: T-T ahhhh YellOw... | ||
Adamthegreat
Sweden1179 Posts
On March 01 2007 03:25 Hot_Bid wrote: well the list isnt surprising at all if you look at recent results and after the MSL final, Savior and Bisu are going to have even more points does anyone know if the SuperFights or Shinhan Masters are included in this? Correct me if wrong; but only Savior will gain point as he wins the final right? (assuming he does). Bisu must already have gotten points for his final since else he wouldn't be so high? | ||
Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Leath
Canada1724 Posts
December 2002: 1 SlayerSBoxeR 2398.0 2 YellOw 1871.0 3 H.O.T Forever 1618.0 4 TheMarine 1605.0 5 ChRh 1275.0 6 NaDa 1161.0 7 TaewoO 1076.0 8 JinNam 1055.0 9 Oddysay 1015.0 10 ChoJJa 997.0 | ||
gravity
Australia1721 Posts
On March 01 2007 10:02 Leath wrote: Highest KeSPA score ever achieved... Is SaviOr gonna beat this record? o.O December 2002: 1 SlayerSBoxeR 2398.0 2 YellOw 1871.0 3 H.O.T Forever 1618.0 4 TheMarine 1605.0 5 ChRh 1275.0 6 NaDa 1161.0 7 TaewoO 1076.0 8 JinNam 1055.0 9 Oddysay 1015.0 10 ChoJJa 997.0 Wasn't this before the system was changed? I noticed that one month Boxer's points took a big drop, because they changed how much each event was worth. IIRC Nada actually has the highest max Kespa score when you take this into account. | ||
il0seonpurpose
Korea (South)5638 Posts
it was funny how u said saviors almost taking half of eur...i mean progaming. he meant europe for ppl who dont get it cuz ppl call him hitler, hahahahahahaha good one | ||
ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
Is that the most places gained in one kespa recalculation? Someone check on that. | ||
One Page Memory
Bulgaria2145 Posts
On March 01 2007 10:02 Leath wrote: Highest KeSPA score ever achieved... Is SaviOr gonna beat this record? o.O December 2002: 1 SlayerSBoxeR 2398.0 2 YellOw 1871.0 3 H.O.T Forever 1618.0 4 TheMarine 1605.0 5 ChRh 1275.0 6 NaDa 1161.0 7 TaewoO 1076.0 8 JinNam 1055.0 9 Oddysay 1015.0 10 ChoJJa 997.0 Damn, how I miss H.O.T Forever and ChRh ... | ||
ChezGod
United States590 Posts
please make a comeback | ||
Locked
United States4182 Posts
On March 01 2007 13:01 ManaBlue wrote: Holy crap Bisu flew up there. That's kinda crazy IMO. Is that the most places gained in one kespa recalculation? Someone check on that. pretty sure 10 isn't the highest.... in fact i think there were bigger jumps even before they changed it to 3 months instead of 1 year (much more variable now) they've also majorly changed the calculation of points at least twice now i believe.... also number of tourneys+events has always changed, it's simply getting harder and harder to compare different kespa rankings these days and yes i think before someone adjusted the points and it put nada's highest above boxer's highest.... i don't think oov ever reached nada's highest either although savior might be coming damn close yeah but still hard to compare, all we can say for sure is that savior is fucking dominating X_X in a way that only boxer, nada, oov have before honestly i don't really like that kespa has shortened it's coverage... i know you general rabble mob peoples () might like it more because you look at the last results and say "oh wow i agree with kespa" but i always felt it was a better indicator when it was more comprehensive after all if i want to see the best players of the last 3 months i can just look at tourney results and that's basically it =\\ seriously now look at the top 4... it's the finalists of the two leagues + Iris (who reached semis in OSL plus did well in proleague and at least qualified for MSL) oh man... every sentence-paragraph = another edit | ||
LosingID8
CA10824 Posts
On March 01 2007 12:08 il0seonpurpose wrote: lmao, hahahaha it was funny how u said saviors almost taking half of eur...i mean progaming. he meant europe for ppl who dont get it cuz ppl call him hitler, hahahahahahaha good one O RLY? | ||
Ash
Malaysia1978 Posts
HONG JINHO COME BACK!!!! | ||
CloseandBan
Korea (South)100 Posts
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SonuvBob
Aiur21548 Posts
On March 01 2007 14:14 CloseandBan wrote: Does everyone here watch the vods or reps of these players that are top 10? How do i watch they're games? This might help: | ||
thedeadhaji
39472 Posts
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NeO)MasCoT
United States212 Posts
I fucking love that you pointed that out. I wouldn't know where to find VODS!! Christ you people are impossible :D | ||
oddeye
Canada716 Posts
On February 28 2007 20:22 Wasabi wrote: Yellow[ArnC] - there's hope, and there's wonder... ah screw it. Looks like Hong Jin Ho ain't really up to it anymore just like most old dogs. I disagree Yellow[Arnc] showed he has a very very strong ZvT and played extremely well in most games I've seen from him. | ||
CloseandBan
Korea (South)100 Posts
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SonuvBob
Aiur21548 Posts
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Tarte
Canada933 Posts
On February 28 2007 21:26 Pressure wrote: 1.GARIMTO MagicNs 9.999. 0 - Yeah, gogo ! | ||
decafchicken
United States19900 Posts
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starter[eTel]
Philippines50 Posts
On February 28 2007 20:22 Wasabi wrote: Top 30 1. sAviOr[gm] CJ Entus 2,107.0 - 2. NaDa Pantech EX 1,662.0 - 3. IriS[gm] CJ Entus 1,096.3 1 4. Bisu[Shield] MBC HERO 995.8 10 5. [GsP]JJu KHAN 931.0 2 6. Hwasin STX SouL 877.5 9 7. GooDFriend KTF Magicians 868.8 1 8. AnyTime..[gm] Lecaf OZ 839.0 3 9. Casy OGN Sparkyz 830.8 2 10. Nal_rA KTF Magicians 819.1 10 11. Light[Alive] MBC HERO 808.8 5 12. midas[gm] SK Telecom T1 791.8 5 13. YellOw[ArnC] OGN Sparkyz 779.0 3 14. s.s.m~[SiLvEr] Pantech EX 776.6 2 15. Zergman Samsung KHAN 766.8 4 16. PuSan[S.G] MBC HERO 732.8 5 17. Much[gm] CJ Entus 732.5 8 18. GoRush SK Telecom T1 707.8 9 19. ChoJJa KTF Magicians 685.0 11 20. Jaedong Lecaf OZ 660.5 2 21. Julyzerg MBC HERO 632.8 8 22. GGPlay Hanbitsoft Stars 628.5 4 23. Sea[Shield] MBC HERO 627.0 6 24. XellOs[yG] CJ Entus 605.8 - 25. Free[gm] Hanbitsoft Stars 588.0 3 26. firebathero Samsung KHAN 543.8 NEW 27. iloveoov SK Telecom T1 536.5 4 28. Bifrost OGN Sparkyz 512.1 NEW 29. Canata SK Telecom T1 461.8 NEW 30. Inter.CalmZ STX SouL 446.1 4 Race balance Terran - 13 Zerg - 11 Protoss - 6 (ALL Protoss players went up in the ranks. Oops, forgot about Mr. Fall Anytime.) Team count MBC HERO - 5 CJ Entus - 4 SK Telecom - 4 KTF Magicians - 3 Samsung KHAN - 3 OGN Sparkyz - 3 Pantech EX - 2 STX SouL - 2 Lecaf OZ - 2 Hanbitsoft Stars - 2 Player opinions Savior - You're taking almost half of Eur... I mean progaming now. Nada - A loss in a Starleague finals (he's never lost before in an OSL final) is hard to swallow. IriS - Nice, one trick pony! If you keep up that killer TvZ you showed in the finals, you can keep that rank for a long while. Bisu - One of Protoss' last hopes. Nal_rA - Oh god welcome back to top 10. Midas[gm] - Next time, don't pick Savior too early in the groups. Julyzerg - He looked promising in Proleague but that seemed to die down. We'll see. Yellow[ArnC] - there's hope, and there's wonder... ah screw it. Looks like Hong Jin Ho ain't really up to it anymore just like most old dogs. Firebathero - Honestly, I don't think he's that special unlike UpMagic (who's surprisingly still not on the list). Overall a good and solid Terran deserving of a spot, however. Bifrost - Bad luck that he met the best player in the world, Matler. Canata - Finally. I think I've never seen this guy on the list before. What?! Goodfriend is better than NaL_rA? | ||
Wasabi
United States3085 Posts
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KizZBG
u gotta skate8152 Posts
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satanslittlehelper
United States114 Posts
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Wasabi
United States3085 Posts
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Essex
United States19 Posts
i somehow never lose hope in him ,, i just know that he'll be #1 again soon or later | ||
[Carlodajin]
Peru306 Posts
On March 01 2007 19:44 Essex wrote: even though iloveoov's going down in ranking, i still believe hes the best player i somehow never lose hope in him ,, i just know that he'll be #1 again soon or later Indeed. Why isnt this featured?. KeSPA is reallyyy important in South Korea. AnyTime[gm] is still on KeSPA Top 10!!!. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On March 02 2007 13:47 [Carlodajin] wrote: despite him showing the worst performance of a protoss of late ;; Indeed. Why isnt this featured?. KeSPA is reallyyy important in South Korea. AnyTime[gm] is still on KeSPA Top 10!!!. Good to see all other protoss rising; they all deserve it. | ||
ShabZzoY!
Great Britain760 Posts
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thedeadhaji
39472 Posts
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KizZBG
u gotta skate8152 Posts
On March 01 2007 19:34 Wasabi wrote: haha I didn't know what you were talking about the MBC thing :s Haha, I was meant to add that to another post, in "what's on OGNMBC stream live now" but added it here by accident. | ||
[Carlodajin]
Peru306 Posts
On March 02 2007 14:18 thedeadhaji wrote: is kespea actually "that" important in korea? I mean you look at the "world rankings" in tennis/golf, and you dont really care because the wins and performances matter so much more than what "rank" a player has. Yes is really important. It appears in the most important Tournaments and Finals. | ||
thedeadhaji
39472 Posts
how often do you hear a player say "oh man, my main goal is to get back in top 10 kespa" or "dude, #1 kespa rank is my career goal" when asked "what are your goals for this year?" etc. Instead it's always "wins" "getting into leagues" etc that's valued by the players in the interviews. Very similar in other sports as well. Is there even an instance where in sports, the players actually care deeply about their world rank? Because I certainly cant think of any. Your rank doesnt determine how good you are, so why would they care? :O | ||
pyogenes
Brazil1401 Posts
On March 02 2007 14:37 thedeadhaji wrote: ?? so? Just because it's listed doesnt mean it's necessarily that important. how often do you hear a player say "oh man, my main goal is to get back in top 10 kespa" or "dude, #1 kespa rank is my career goal" when asked "what are your goals for this year?" etc. Instead it's always "wins" "getting into leagues" etc that's valued by the players in the interviews. Very similar in other sports as well. Is there even an instance where in sports, the players actually care deeply about their world rank? Because I certainly cant think of any. Your rank doesnt determine how good you are, so why would they care? :O chess world rank matters. but that's irrelevant :p | ||
thedeadhaji
39472 Posts
I forgot that it must matter in boxing as well, because of how they "challenge" the champions but I presume that rankings in those 2 sports act in quite a differnt manner than in bw, golf, tennis, squash, etc | ||
[Carlodajin]
Peru306 Posts
On March 02 2007 14:48 thedeadhaji wrote: is that beacuse the world rank determines who gets to play the champions? I forgot that it must matter in boxing as well, because of how they "challenge" the champions but I presume that rankings in those 2 sports act in quite a differnt manner than in bw, golf, tennis, squash, etc To explain you my point better. I will show you this Latin Webpage as an example. Thread name: KeSPA. Just Logic And Mathematics. http://www.teambio.net/showthread.php?t=4553 | ||
QuietIdiot
7004 Posts
On March 02 2007 14:10 Plexa wrote: despite him showing the worst performance of a protoss of late ;; Good to see all other protoss rising; they all deserve it. Anytime had some seriously bad luck when you think about it Getting cheesed 3 times in OSL = ROFL (I consider the FBH game to be so incredibly gay that it has to be cheese regardless of its characteristics.) And getting to vs July in a bo3 in MSL... | ||
thedeadhaji
39472 Posts
that's like saying, beacuse TL.net has a thread on the kespa rankings, Kespa rankings must have immense importance in Taiwan. | ||
thedeadhaji
39472 Posts
On March 02 2007 15:03 QuietIdiot wrote: Anytime had some seriously bad luck when you think about it Getting cheesed 3 times in OSL = ROFL (I consider the FBH game to be so incredibly gay that it has to be cheese regardless of its characteristics.) And getting to vs July in a bo3 in MSL... I am praying for a ZERO PROTOSS OSL | ||
oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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thedeadhaji
39472 Posts
Let's say savior didnt get into OSL 3. Nada obviously did. Nada does decently well in osl3, gets top 4. Savior wins Gom MSL. April Kespa says savior is #1 and nada is #2, ranking change without any head to head match between the two. You really think fans or players would buy into the way kespa ranks who is #1 or #2 without a head to head game between the two, and truely beleve that savior is now all the sudden better than nada? I personally dont think so. Kespa is a "decent" barometer, but nothing that has any sort of real or absolute value in terms of who is the "better" player =S | ||
iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On March 02 2007 15:44 thedeadhaji wrote: well no but things like "who's on top of kespa the most" are still meaningful. this particular situation just shows that in certain situations it is not useful. of course, if savior was 500 points ahead of nada, i think that would be a significantly different situation. let's put ourselvesback to pre-OSL 3, when nada was just barely ahead of savior in the kespa rankings. I remember a lot of people clamoring about the rankings, savior should be #1, no ndada is #1 yadayadayada. Let's say savior didnt get into OSL 3. Nada obviously did. Nada does decently well in osl3, gets top 4. Savior wins Gom MSL. April Kespa says savior is #1 and nada is #2, ranking change without any head to head match between the two. You really think fans or players would buy into the way kespa ranks who is #1 or #2 without a head to head game between the two, and truely beleve that savior is now all the sudden better than nada? I personally dont think so. Kespa is a "decent" barometer, but nothing that has any sort of real or absolute value in terms of who is the "better" player =S | ||
[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
LOL @ Midas for dropping 5 spots. Pick Savior again for another -5 spots okay? | ||
QuietIdiot
7004 Posts
WTF FUCK U | ||
thedeadhaji
39472 Posts
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thedeadhaji
39472 Posts
On March 02 2007 15:52 oneofthem wrote: well no but things like "who's on top of kespa the most" are still meaningful. this particular situation just shows that in certain situations it is not useful. of course, if savior was 500 points ahead of nada, i think that would be a significantly different situation. ok yea, i can buy that :O | ||
narreth
Canada124 Posts
On February 28 2007 21:22 oneofthem wrote: haha midas, stupid move picking savior now backfires. yea i liked midas but he shouldnt have picked savior the second time tho -_- at least hes got guts! | ||
gravity
Australia1721 Posts
On March 02 2007 14:37 thedeadhaji wrote: ?? so? Just because it's listed doesnt mean it's necessarily that important. how often do you hear a player say "oh man, my main goal is to get back in top 10 kespa" or "dude, #1 kespa rank is my career goal" when asked "what are your goals for this year?" etc. Players have talked about getting back to #1 Kespa, or back to top 30 plenty of times before. Is there even an instance where in sports, the players actually care deeply about their world rank? Because I certainly cant think of any. Your rank doesnt determine how good you are, so why would they care? :O Rank is somewhat important in tennis (obviously less than winning majors, but still). I know there's been complaints in Australia about how few players we have in the tennis top 100 now. | ||
HungerForMore
Afghanistan420 Posts
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CC Rider
289 Posts
Mark my words, soon Savior will burn out and fall in the KeSPA ranks, and Nada will still be there in the top 5 forever. That consistency is so much more impressive to me than completely dominating for a brief period. | ||
oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
another thing with the ranks, what T1 did with their one league rule will either be a heavy blow to the rankings or force it to change. i dont think the rankings will change, so yeah T1 players are fucked. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41087 Posts
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CC Rider
289 Posts
how can consistency not exist? it's a word, look it up. I don't even like Nada I just give respect where it's deserved. I'm a nal_ra and Anytime fanboy. | ||
oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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siro)
Australia848 Posts
On March 02 2007 22:39 CC Rider wrote: I really think at this point that the best overall BW player in history is no longer Boxer, but Nada. Guys like Savior become really super-hot and then burn out quickly. You saw it happen with Anytime when everyone got all excited about his one win, you saw it happen with July. We've even seen a rise and fall of megastars like Reach and OOv. But the one and only guy who has CONSISTENTLY been at the very top throughout the past six years is Nada. Mark my words, soon Savior will burn out and fall in the KeSPA ranks, and Nada will still be there in the top 5 forever. That consistency is so much more impressive to me than completely dominating for a brief period. There's so much wrong with this post. | ||
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