I know that SCR replays intentionally don't work with 1.16, but what other notable things that can't be done in v1.16 ?
I don't want to download useless ~8GB for just that, when I don't need/like specific things in the HD.
... Edited 6-Oct-2018 4:30AM UTC (just discovered after writing that date that it's 1973 war, it wasn't planned) For new SCR comers like me, I've summarized the most important facts I discovered recently that I didn't expect in SCR, and was there for SC1.16:
fazek42 told me by mistake that I can "Zoom out in replay/obs and also the game" in the free scr.
[AS]Rattus gives me wrong advice on how to run the game in fullscreen (which isn't available for paid users), then claim that I'm "someone who wants to complain.no matter what".
You can have the screen following the players screen while observing. You can also see where their screens are located on the minimap. Actually I am not sure if you get these on the free version thought.
Does free SCR has HD? I thought it was only for the paid version.
Can I ask you which are the things you don't like in the remastered version?
I don't like the bonjour app which remastered is asking me to install each time when I log in. I also dislike the launcher.
No portforwarding needed for hosting, turnrate 24 (better latency) and dynamic turnrate (finding the most suitable tr), 1-click matchmaking, and a huge player population that is much bigger than iccup. New obs interface where you can do some nice things (multiselect, follow unit, check vision of each player easily, zoom out, see where they are looking on the minimap). Replay has instant rewind. Quite a few nice things, but it's not perfect yet either.
On October 04 2018 04:20 Moataz wrote: I know that SCR replays intentionally don't work with 1.16, but what other notable things that can't be done in v1.16 ?
I don't want to download useless ~8GB for just that, when I don't need/like specific things in the HD.
I think the most important part would be to actually be part of the community and all its endeavors. Aside from that, no ports are quite nice. And the matchmaking, even though it's not perfect. Custom hotkeys, although the purist in me does make me ambivalent about those. And all the others stuff people mention.
On October 04 2018 04:29 Piste wrote: You can have the screen following the players screen while observing. You can also see where their screens are located on the minimap. Actually I am not sure if you get these on the free version thought.
Does free SCR has HD? I thought it was only for the paid version.
Can I ask you which are the things you don't like in the remastered version?
I don't like the bonjour app which remastered is asking me to install each time when I log in. I also dislike the launcher.
CanRep can do similar (watch replay as FPV), I didn't try it while observing. Observing is useless if you can get the replay and watch it as FPV, unless you want to cast/watch the game live.
The things I personally don't like in the remastered version: + Show Spoiler +
I just played scr for half an hour 1year ago, while it was 1.17 beta maybe, I wasn't knowing about ICCUP then, so I guessed if I downloaded that NEW/BIG release I could play with my brother who is in another country, I hated Blizzard way to lure the user to download useless ~8GB, then gradually convince him that he already has it.
Graphically: - I don't like the new Heroes portraits (Tassadar, Rynor, etc...), those aren't the heroes we loved. - Drawing Protoss as a race with long pigtail like girls, - A Terran male character is wearing an earring.
Programmatically: - No way to play vs BWAPI AI, or use any kind of UDAI (User Defined AI), please don't tell me scr has scripts that can change the AI behavior, this is useless compared to what BWAPI can do, and I actually consider those scripts related to map editing rather than programming.
On October 04 2018 04:31 fazek42 wrote: No portforwarding needed for hosting, turnrate 24 (better latency) and dynamic turnrate (finding the most suitable tr), 1-click matchmaking, and a huge player population that is much bigger than iccup. New obs interface where you can do some nice things (multiselect, follow unit, check vision of each player easily, zoom out, see where they are looking on the minimap). Replay has instant rewind. Quite a few nice things, but it's not perfect yet either.
Ok, free scr doesn't allow me ladder-like ICCUP, but does it allow playing with someone out of the LAN, or in tournaments like CPL (ASL ) ? ChaosLauncher has plugin that allows observing, with group select, etc... http://www.openbw.com/replay-viewer/ allows zooming the replays, but not the observed game ofc, and allow you to go back in time in the replay, Is scr allows rewind for free ?
On October 04 2018 08:01 fazek42 wrote: Moataz, all the features mentioned here are available in the free version, except matchmaking and the hd graphics.
Thanks, just to make sure, is the free scr allow playing with someone out of the LAN (how ?), or in tournaments like CPL?
It is kind of silly they force people who don't own Remastered to download 8GB of unused assets when installing free-to-play Starcraft. It's a waste of internet bandwidth for both the user who doesn't have Remastered and for Blizzard if the user doesn't intend to buy it.
Was the issue of needing significantly more FPS to attain the same responsivity in SC:R ever fixed? That alone is enough to convince me to never touch it if I were strictly a melee player.
On October 04 2018 09:16 Lazare1969 wrote: It is kind of silly they force people who don't own Remastered to download 8GB of unused assets when installing free-to-play Starcraft. It's a waste of internet bandwidth for both the user who doesn't have Remastered and for Blizzard if the user doesn't intend to buy it.
To be honest, I actually hated this lure from Blizzard and admired it (market-wise) at the same time.
On October 04 2018 09:16 Lazare1969 wrote: It is kind of silly they force people who don't own Remastered to download 8GB of unused assets when installing free-to-play Starcraft. It's a waste of internet bandwidth for both the user who doesn't have Remastered and for Blizzard if the user doesn't intend to buy it.
To be honest, I actually hated this lure from Blizzard and admired it (market-wise) at the same time.
8 Gigabyte is a complete joke nowadays. Especially for a full game. Both games need to have the same data if they are supposed to work together. Especially when the game is 20 years old
On October 04 2018 09:16 Lazare1969 wrote: It is kind of silly they force people who don't own Remastered to download 8GB of unused assets when installing free-to-play Starcraft. It's a waste of internet bandwidth for both the user who doesn't have Remastered and for Blizzard if the user doesn't intend to buy it.
To be honest, I actually hated this lure from Blizzard and admired it (market-wise) at the same time.
8 Gigabyte is a complete joke nowadays. Especially for a full game. Both games need to have the same data if they are supposed to work together. Especially when the game is 20 years old
1TB harddrive is like $30. 8GB is nothing. Unless you live in some backwards place where you have to pay for internet bandwidth, downloading it is nothing either.
And yes, you can play online on bnet with the free version, you just don't have the matchmaking option.
On October 04 2018 12:29 angrypofke wrote: 1TB harddrive is like $30. 8GB is nothing. Unless you live in some backwards place where you have to pay for internet bandwidth, downloading it is nothing either.
And yes, you can play online on bnet with the free version, you just don't have the matchmaking option.
Thanks for clarifying, and to all of you guys, gonna download it now.
On October 04 2018 12:29 angrypofke wrote: 1TB harddrive is like $30. 8GB is nothing. Unless you live in some backwards place where you have to pay for internet bandwidth, downloading it is nothing either.
This statement is true in a vacuum but developers are never discouraged from lazy designs that contribute to bloated filesize and poorly-optimized games because of the advancements of modern technology. The complaint that 6+ of the 8GB taken up by the remaster is unnecessary for the game to be functional is valid and consumers putting up with it are a big contributor to the situation we have now: 100+GB downloads, 1+GB monthly patches, and horribly-outdated titles that perform worse than larger and more advanced games from years prior on the same hardware (e.g. SC2 and SCR).
On October 04 2018 06:28 Cheesefome wrote: Isn't it only 10 dollars? The graphics upgrade alone is worth it if you asked me. The rest is just the icing on the cake.
To people living in certain countries, paying USD 10 for a game is like you paying USD 45 (or more) for the game.
You can get 500 GB HDD for the price of the Remastered license in 2018, so I'm not really sure why would anyone bother about 8 GB. AI, I guess, is the worse problem for someone who loves it or needs it for some particular reason.
On October 04 2018 06:28 Cheesefome wrote: Isn't it only 10 dollars? The graphics upgrade alone is worth it if you asked me. The rest is just the icing on the cake.
To people living in certain countries, paying USD 10 for a game is like you paying USD 45 (or more) for the game.
have you seen the video game market? $10 for the game that everyone here loves is literally nothing. For 20 years since the game is released - this is like keeping aside $0,041 each month
On October 04 2018 12:29 angrypofke wrote: 1TB harddrive is like $30. 8GB is nothing. Unless you live in some backwards place where you have to pay for internet bandwidth, downloading it is nothing either.
And yes, you can play online on bnet with the free version, you just don't have the matchmaking option.
On October 04 2018 17:11 kaby wrote: You can get 500 GB HDD for the price of the Remastered license in 2018, so I'm not really sure why would anyone bother about 8 GB. AI, I guess, is the worse problem for someone who loves it or needs it for some particular reason.
Dunno, for some people 8GB is a lot. I've been operating on a 32gb hard drive for the last 9 years without problems tho.
On October 04 2018 12:29 angrypofke wrote: 1TB harddrive is like $30. 8GB is nothing. Unless you live in some backwards place where you have to pay for internet bandwidth, downloading it is nothing either.
This statement is true in a vacuum but developers are never discouraged from lazy designs that contribute to bloated filesize and poorly-optimized games because of the advancements of modern technology. The complaint that 6+ of the 8GB taken up by the remaster is unnecessary for the game to be functional is valid and consumers putting up with it are a big contributor to the situation we have now: 100+GB downloads, 1+GB monthly patches, and horribly-outdated titles that perform worse than larger and more advanced games from years prior on the same hardware (e.g. SC2 and SCR).
Do you really play scr? Cuz that 1gb monthly patches is bs..
On October 04 2018 06:28 Cheesefome wrote: Isn't it only 10 dollars? The graphics upgrade alone is worth it if you asked me. The rest is just the icing on the cake.
To people living in certain countries, paying USD 10 for a game is like you paying USD 45 (or more) for the game.
The price is adjusted by location, for example here in Argentina it's about $3.75. It's funny that people still complain about the price even though it's literally less than the cost of a pizza.
Yes there's fullscreen, windowed, and windowed fullscreen. Non HD version (free SCR) does not support wide screen (there' black bars on the sides), but HD version does.
You get LAN under the players list online if i remember correctly. In any case, it's there.
Here's what you get with the free version (which is like the old/normal BW): Filter to make the game less pixelated on high resolution monitors (i think this is included but not 100% sure). There are 4 dedicated obs slots in the game. You can also zoom out/in in reps/obs. You see player screen borders on the minimap while obsing. You can follow the player screen/vision while obsing. While obsing/replay, see all player names/races and resources/supply/apm in top right (clicking on the name turns vision on/off). You can select multiple units in reps/obs, even from multiple players. In built apm display in games and after games. Played games list (shows map, players/races, duration, win/loss, date/time, and you can click to watch the replay). Replays can be stored in the cloud. You can open the friends list tab in the channel, and join your friends games with just 1 click, instead of typing the name/pw or looking for the game. You can rewind replays to any point in the game or skip forward. You can right click on an unit to follow it while in rep/obs. You can hide/show any part of the interface while obsing, to see more. No port forwarding needed. Turn rate can be set before game, 24 is max (higher than Lan Latency, I think?). There's also dynamic TR, which finds the best TR so you dont have to guess. Refresh game list button. You can also filter games by type, latency and name. 3 accounts per server. Account portraits (like in SC2). Additional cosmetic goodies. In-built support for EUD maps. Friends chat integrated with the Blizzard launcher (and the whole game is in the launcher as well).
On October 05 2018 00:12 quirinus wrote: You get LAN under the players list online if i remember correctly. In any case, it's there.
Here's what you get with the free version (which is like the old/normal BW): Filter to make the game less pixelated on high resolution monitors (i think this is included but not 100% sure). There are 4 dedicated obs slots in the game. You can also zoom out/in in reps/obs. You see player screen borders on the minimap while obsing. You can follow the player screen/vision while obsing. While obsing/replay, see all player names/races and resources/supply/apm in top right (clicking on the name turns vision on/off). You can select multiple units in reps/obs, even from multiple players. In built apm display in games and after games. Played games list (shows map, players/races, duration, win/loss, date/time, and you can click to watch the replay). Replays can be stored in the cloud. You can open the friends list tab in the channel, and join your friends games with just 1 click, instead of typing the name/pw or looking for the game. You can rewind replays to any point in the game or skip forward. You can right click on an unit to follow it while in rep/obs. You can hide/show any part of the interface while obsing, to see more. No port forwarding needed. Turn rate can be set before game, 24 is max (higher than Lan Latency, I think?). There's also dynamic TR, which finds the best TR so you dont have to guess. Refresh game list button. You can also filter games by type, latency and name. 3 accounts per server. Account portraits (like in SC2). Additional cosmetic goodies. In-built support for EUD maps. Friends chat integrated with the Blizzard launcher (and the whole game is in the launcher as well).
Theres more...
1st thanks you for sharing what you know
sc1.16 has almost all that already, sorry but the things that I won't comment on is not notable features in my POV ...
In the free scr replays, no mini-map camera location and no zoom out (nobody cares about observing games more than watching .rep), and no full screen (Do you expect me Blizzard while I can play sc1.16 in fullscreen, to bear this !).
Selecting multiple units in reps/obs from multiple players is not of much use I think, as I said before advancing observing is there before and allow you to see group of units from one player, what's inside a transport (Bunker, Shuttle, etc) which I think scr paid players are deprived of, along with things like production panel that displays in-progress & completed units, along with very advanced replay analysis feature like in the CoachAI which I think could be applied to obs-mode but not yet.
I can actually although I'm not good @ c++ do many things better than those developers does.
I also thought http://bwreplays.com/ wasn't working for me because I use v1.16, so I downloaded scr free, but no .rep worked which means their entire database is corrupted!,
I can't keep ~8GB in my HD just to watch new PRO scr replays, I'm not even interested in that anymore (with much lower functionality than other 3rd party replay viewers does), you disappoint me again Blizzard, and I have to delete it again !
On October 05 2018 02:32 Incomplete..ReV wrote: You can't use fullscreen? I've never had any trouble with that at all. Not sure why you can't, though.
No I can't, I tried all the 3 display modes, I'm using it without logging to Blizzard account though, I don't think this matters. I think I'm gonna keep it for day or 2 ?, I also liked that the menu which you select your race from doesn't hide when leave the mouse.
On October 05 2018 02:32 Incomplete..ReV wrote: You can't use fullscreen? I've never had any trouble with that at all. Not sure why you can't, though.
No I can't, I tried all the 3 display modes, I'm using it without logging to Blizzard account though, I don't think this matters. I think I'm gonna keep it for day or 2 ?, I also liked that the menu which you select your race from doesn't hide when leave the mouse.
Shouldn't you try logging in before deciding that it doesn't work? Sounds like it could matter.
Still no, I mean the wide black border are there on right/left of the screen, one thing I think about right now, is that sc1 doesn't need Remastered, but a game like Nightmare Creatures does.
I thought in the past that I can't log in and comment in Blizzard forums unless I buy one of their games, But no, that's good, but still that doesn't make me tolerate how far scr from sc1.16, I just deleted scr from my HD ):
On October 04 2018 12:29 angrypofke wrote: 1TB harddrive is like $30. 8GB is nothing. Unless you live in some backwards place where you have to pay for internet bandwidth, downloading it is nothing either.
This statement is true in a vacuum but developers are never discouraged from lazy designs that contribute to bloated filesize and poorly-optimized games because of the advancements of modern technology. The complaint that 6+ of the 8GB taken up by the remaster is unnecessary for the game to be functional is valid and consumers putting up with it are a big contributor to the situation we have now: 100+GB downloads, 1+GB monthly patches, and horribly-outdated titles that perform worse than larger and more advanced games from years prior on the same hardware (e.g. SC2 and SCR).
Do you really play scr? Cuz that 1gb monthly patches is bs..
I was speaking to the industry at large. R6 Siege for example has multi-GB patches, sometimes more than once a month.
On October 05 2018 04:42 Moataz wrote: Still no, I mean the wide black border are there on right/left of the screen, one thing I think about right now, is that sc1 doesn't need Remastered, but a game like Nightmare Creatures does.
I thought in the past that I can't log in and comment in Blizzard forums unless I buy one of their games, But no, that's good, but still that doesn't make me tolerate how far scr from sc1.16, I just deleted scr from my HD ):
It seems like you're just nit picking over things that are easily fixable. It's a bit ridiculous when you consider it's a 10 dollar purchase. It has a matchmaking ranking system + graphics update which are refreshing. Any modern game will have up to 500mb-1gb patches per update. I don't know anybody who doesn't own a 1tb hard drive in the year of 2018. Should purchase one if you don't already own one. Everything is done via computer so it's only a matter of time before you'll need it especially if you play games.
Ultimately you're paying for graphics update and a ranking system. They update the maps every season, give little accomplishment icons for the ranking you achieve, profiles give all sorts of stats, you can download games from players just by going through their profile. There's a list of a ton of little things that people could list but the most important ones are the one's i just mentioned which is probably the main reason people bought remastered in the first place. If that isn't convincing enough then perhaps starcraft isn't a worthy purchase for you.
there is an option for the old black bars left and right in SCRM maybe turn that off. SCRM wasn't perfect when it came out and it still isn't but you srsly sound like someone who wants to complain.no matter what. SCRM is almost everything i ever asked for and i was suprised it cost as little as it did.
It’s only 8 freaking GB! Are you guys still on windows 98 machines with 1gig hard drives? Does 8GB take too long to download on dial up? Most games are 30-60GB nowadays, 8 is nothing. Storage has never been cheaper! And the games itself cost practically nothing.
On October 05 2018 04:42 Moataz wrote: Still no, I mean the wide black border are there on right/left of the screen, one thing I think about right now, is that sc1 doesn't need Remastered, but a game like Nightmare Creatures does.
I thought in the past that I can't log in and comment in Blizzard forums unless I buy one of their games, But no, that's good, but still that doesn't make me tolerate how far scr from sc1.16, I just deleted scr from my HD ):
It seems like you're just nit picking over things that are easily fixable. It's a bit ridiculous when you consider it's a 10 dollar purchase. It has a matchmaking ranking system + graphics update which are refreshing. Any modern game will have up to 500mb-1gb patches per update. I don't know anybody who doesn't own a 1tb hard drive in the year of 2018. Should purchase one if you don't already own one. Everything is done via computer so it's only a matter of time before you'll need it especially if you play games.
Ultimately you're paying for graphics update and a ranking system. They update the maps every season, give little accomplishment icons for the ranking you achieve, profiles give all sorts of stats, you can download games from players just by going through their profile. There's a list of a ton of little things that people could list but the most important ones are the one's i just mentioned which is probably the main reason people bought remastered in the first place. If that isn't convincing enough then perhaps starcraft isn't a worthy purchase for you.
No mate, I'm not nitpicking, I really think that people who aren't using 3rd party tools like Chaos, mca64 will have a very hard time understanding the game, especially if they're new.
That's good that you can get replays from players just by going through their profile, but how effectively/closely you can watch it ? (you don't even know how many workers each player has from scr replay, you can't easily know when this player 3rd started even with the replay rewind feature, which is not new, you'll have to catch a pen and paper for that), it deserves the 10$ of course, but not for me, I mean it has nice social feature, the graphic is nice for watching ASL indeed (with few exceptions).
If you make a research on just 1 feature that 1.16 support like BWAPI, you might curse scr.
On October 05 2018 05:23 [AS]Rattus wrote: there is an option for the old black bars left and right in SCRM maybe turn that off. SCRM wasn't perfect when it came out and it still isn't but you srsly sound like someone who wants to complain.no matter what. SCRM is almost everything i ever asked for and i was suprised it cost as little as it did.
Sorry but your advice is late, I really delete it for the 2nd time (the 1st was 1year ago),
If your knowledge about the possible things you can do with 1.16 is like me, you might complain more than me (its just my sincere review), I was hoping that scr replay watching has any comparative advantage over other tools, I was actually planning to use both scr, sc1.16, but what are you talking about man, I can't even play the game with the bad SD in fullscreen for the so-called free !!!, its similar to someone working most of his life as a doctor then decide to work as an engineer.
On October 05 2018 05:44 PorkSoda wrote: It’s only 8 freaking GB! Are you guys still on windows 98 machines with 1gig hard drives? Does 8GB take too long to download on dial up? Most games are 30-60GB nowadays, 8 is nothing. Storage has never been cheaper! And the games itself cost practically nothing.
It's not space, It's the lack of features compared to sc1.16, and this is my personal opinion guys, you can ignore it. Edit: Sorry did I say the lack of features, I mean the missing features.
On October 05 2018 04:42 Moataz wrote: Still no, I mean the wide black border are there on right/left of the screen, one thing I think about right now, is that sc1 doesn't need Remastered, but a game like Nightmare Creatures does.
I thought in the past that I can't log in and comment in Blizzard forums unless I buy one of their games, But no, that's good, but still that doesn't make me tolerate how far scr from sc1.16, I just deleted scr from my HD ):
It seems like you're just nit picking over things that are easily fixable. It's a bit ridiculous when you consider it's a 10 dollar purchase. It has a matchmaking ranking system + graphics update which are refreshing. Any modern game will have up to 500mb-1gb patches per update. I don't know anybody who doesn't own a 1tb hard drive in the year of 2018. Should purchase one if you don't already own one. Everything is done via computer so it's only a matter of time before you'll need it especially if you play games.
Ultimately you're paying for graphics update and a ranking system. They update the maps every season, give little accomplishment icons for the ranking you achieve, profiles give all sorts of stats, you can download games from players just by going through their profile. There's a list of a ton of little things that people could list but the most important ones are the one's i just mentioned which is probably the main reason people bought remastered in the first place. If that isn't convincing enough then perhaps starcraft isn't a worthy purchase for you.
No mate, I'm not nitpicking, I really think that people who aren't using 3rd party tools like Chaos, mca64 will have a very hard time understanding the game, especially if they're new.
That's good that you can get replays from players just by going through their profile, but how effectively/closely you can watch it ? (you don't even know how many workers each player has from scr replay, you can't easily know when this player 3rd started even with the replay rewind feature, which is not new, you'll have to catch a pen and paper for that), it deserves the 10$ of course, but not for me, I mean it has nice social feature, the graphic is nice for watching ASL indeed (with few exceptions).
If you make a research on just 1 feature that 1.16 support like BWAPI, you might curse scr.
On October 05 2018 05:23 [AS]Rattus wrote: there is an option for the old black bars left and right in SCRM maybe turn that off. SCRM wasn't perfect when it came out and it still isn't but you srsly sound like someone who wants to complain.no matter what. SCRM is almost everything i ever asked for and i was suprised it cost as little as it did.
Sorry but your advice is late, I really delete it for the 2nd time (the 1st was 1year ago),
If your knowledge about the possible things you can do with 1.16 is like me, you might complain more than me (its just my sincere review), I was hoping that scr replay watching has any comparative advantage over other tools, I was actually planning to use both scr, sc1.16, but what are you talking about man, I can't even play the game with the bad SD in fullscreen for the so-called free !!!, its similar to someone working most of his life as a doctor then decide to work as an engineer.
On October 05 2018 05:44 PorkSoda wrote: It’s only 8 freaking GB! Are you guys still on windows 98 machines with 1gig hard drives? Does 8GB take too long to download on dial up? Most games are 30-60GB nowadays, 8 is nothing. Storage has never been cheaper! And the games itself cost practically nothing.
It's not space, It's the lack of features compared to sc1.16, and this is my personal opinion guys, you can ignore it.
For how long have you been playing Starcraft? Have you played on the original server or only ICCup/Fish?
FWIW I think they changed the replay compression to dodge pkzip license costs rather than to intentionally fuck someone over.
Also while BWAPI doesn't work, a lot of the data structures used are still the same. Let me know if you need some pointers (heh) to get started with SCR development.
On October 05 2018 06:43 xehcechbsky wrote: FWIW I think they changed the replay compression to dodge pkzip license costs rather than to intentionally fuck someone over.
Also while BWAPI doesn't work, a lot of the data structures used are still the same. Let me know if you need some pointers (heh) to get started with SCR development.
That what you think ? Why not using .7z (its free) format I think there are more compression algorithms that doesn't cost.
What you know about BWAPI, have you done anything notable?
SCR is using free zlib now. So really, it's 1.16's fault for expecting a proprietary format.
This stuff here is still the same in SCR: CUnit.h BWGame.h As well as most other things. I think if you bypass BWAPI and read the data directly, you'll find everything you need for CoachAI in SCR.
On October 05 2018 07:29 xehcechbsky wrote: SCR is using free zlib now. So really, it's 1.16's fault for expecting a proprietary format.
This stuff here is still the same in SCR: CUnit.h BWGame.h As well as most other things. I think if you bypass BWAPI and read the data directly, you'll find everything you need for CoachAI in SCR.
Man the question is can we inject an executable (.dll, .exe, .jar) into starcraft.exe (v1.22) ? does the current SC launcher allow that, will Blizzard allow that ?
You know what I'm sorry about is the efforts that BWAPI AI developers @SSCAIT did, to make the game easily practicable/automated, but most of the light is for scr.
Keep on going with complaining about how your pirated/free version is just not worth upgrading. God damn those greedy blizzardACTIVISION guys!
Just look at EA, they just released the X remastered version of their game for only 60-100 bucks.
This thread is insane. its about 5-10 (insert your currency)
Activision Blizzard, Inc. (ATVI) chose the $15 USD price tag for this product not from the kindness of their hearts, but after much deliberation with their team of analysts and advisors over how much profit they can maximize primarily from their largest customer base in Korea.
On October 04 2018 06:28 Cheesefome wrote: Isn't it only 10 dollars? The graphics upgrade alone is worth it if you asked me. The rest is just the icing on the cake.
To people living in certain countries, paying USD 10 for a game is like you paying USD 45 (or more) for the game.
The price is adjusted by location, for example here in Argentina it's about $3.75. It's funny that people still complain about the price even though it's literally less than the cost of a pizza.
I'm not complaining about the price, just stating that the cost is not as low as it appears to be for people like me (since Moataz is from Egypt), and we need to think more before spending USD10, because it costs more for us.
I don't know about regional pricing, I was just addressing Cheesefome's comment on the price. Anyway I just checked and it appears to cost USD14.99 for me, so I didn't know that. Additionally, I don't know how much you spend on food in Argentina but USD10 could feed me for 2 days (6 good meals) if I eat out. If I am short on cash I could make it last for another day without starving. If i get to prepare every meal at home it'll last even longer. For people who are less fortunate than me in my country, it might even feed them for 7 to 10 days.
Blizzard can charge whatever they want, I believe USD10 to 15 is a fair price anyway. I just wrote this because some people don't know how much USD10 affords people in certain countries, because there's no way i'd spend USD15 on an upgrade to a game I already have without thinking about it first.
On October 04 2018 06:28 Cheesefome wrote: Isn't it only 10 dollars? The graphics upgrade alone is worth it if you asked me. The rest is just the icing on the cake.
To people living in certain countries, paying USD 10 for a game is like you paying USD 45 (or more) for the game.
The price is adjusted by location, for example here in Argentina it's about $3.75. It's funny that people still complain about the price even though it's literally less than the cost of a pizza.
I'm not complaining about the price, just stating that the cost is not as low as it appears to be for people like me (since Moataz is from Egypt), and we need to think more before spending USD10, because it costs more for us.
I don't know about regional pricing, I was just addressing Cheesefome's comment on the price. Anyway I just checked and it appears to cost USD14.99 for me, so I didn't know that. Additionally, I don't know how much you spend on food in Argentina but USD10 could feed me for 2 days (6 good meals) if I eat out. If I am short on cash I could make it last for another day without starving. If i get to prepare every meal at home it'll last even longer. For people who are less fortunate than me in my country, it might even feed them for 7 to 10 days.
Blizzard can charge whatever they want, I believe USD10 to 15 is a fair price anyway. I just wrote this because some people don't know how much USD10 affords people in certain countries, because there's no way i'd spend USD15 on an upgrade to a game I already have without thinking about it first.
And yet you probably own a 500USD+ smartphone and a computer, go to starbucks pay for a 5 dollar coffee//coke.
If we compare that price to any other pay to play game on the market, 15USD that is pocket change. Games now go for what? over 40 bucks now which is arguably worst than Starcraft and will most likely only last you a few weeks at best before you're completely bored of it.
People's priorities are upside down. 15 bucks can buy just about anybody 2-3 days worth of food. I don't get why you bring this up. It's a matter of investing in something that could potentially become your side hobby. How much you enjoy something determines whether or not money is worst investing.
I'm not rich by any means, in fact I barely get by day to day but i can most certainly cut edges by eating less per day to put money aside and invest on something that i know will bring me a lot of fun. You could starve the body for up to 1-3 months, 3 days isn't going to hurt you or anybody. Not saying you should just saying it isn't as expensive//exaggerated as you make it seem. It comes down to how bad you want something.
Some of you guys are being extremely silly with the price of the game. Everyone has their own expenses, and for some folks, $10-15 goes a long way into making sure they can still live their life comfortably enough considering the low wages in some places. As it stands, what's most important is determining whether the game is worth the price or not. If you still have friends that use 1.16.1 and don't plan to play RM or you don't care for the MM/gfx, then RM isn't worth it.
There are some cool features like being able to forward reps etc.. however, that depends on whether you think that's worth it. If you are someone who wants the newer gfx, or the MM, some of the newer features etc... then RM might be worth the price. Just keep in mind that RM still has bugs, and isn't perfect atm but that's a given.
I have paid SCR and run classic graphics fullscreen. What that battlenet post is talking about, is classic graphics widescreen. And that would be silly; classic graphics widescreen? That's not classic. Nobody wants that. Either they want highres+widescreen, or lores+4:3.
I have paid SCR and run classic graphics fullscreen. What that battlenet post is talking about, is classic graphics widescreen. And that would be silly; classic graphics widescreen? That's not classic. Nobody wants that. Either they want highres+widescreen, or lores+4:3.
FYI, my laptop is just 15.7", wide screen doesn't mean very big monitors, more people still confused by this term, but unfortunately, Blizzard doesn't say it directly.
SC1.22 free was running with a black wide border on right/left (If you didn't read my post about that).
I have paid SCR and run classic graphics fullscreen. What that battlenet post is talking about, is classic graphics widescreen. And that would be silly; classic graphics widescreen? That's not classic. Nobody wants that. Either they want highres+widescreen, or lores+4:3.
And you're saying "Nobody wants that", while you're quoting the same Battle.net topic that 3 guys say that !!!, I'm surprised how Blizzard deluded some people to think that only the things THEY offer are the best !!!
I have paid SCR and run classic graphics fullscreen. What that battlenet post is talking about, is classic graphics widescreen. And that would be silly; classic graphics widescreen? That's not classic. Nobody wants that. Either they want highres+widescreen, or lores+4:3.
You are very wrong about this. Many people want classic gfx+widescreen, including me. They could even make it a SCR paid version only feature. As it stands now, plyers playing with classic gfx have a disadvatage compared to others because they see less on screen and have to scroll more.
Also @Moataz: Sorry to burst your bubble, but most of the things in your Coach AI are just clutter on the screen. You did some nice work to implement a lot of things, and I applaud you for that, but you have no idea about what is really needed and what's not needed. You threw in everything, including the kitchen sink, so please don't talk about SCR devs. + Show Spoiler +
For example, SCR had the unit production tab, but they removed it on request by many players and casters. They also can't add too many things without making the game too different from the classic. And they certainly can't add walls of text on the screen like you did, because that's a terrible idea for a professional game, but it can be ok for a 3rd party tool if limited to a reasonable amount.
You got too carried away by programming and possibilities, but didn't think about it from a design and clear goal perspective. Sometimes less is more.
Yes, I agree, they could have added some easy to implement features, but they are understaffed and working in a big, slow company. It's easy for you, just one guy in a vacuum, to do whatever you want, whenever you want, but that is not the case for them. Don't be so damn cocky.
Played with classic graphics and black bars for a long time now and thought I didn't even have anything to complain about.
Then I actually compared the nu classic to the old one and was shocked how much more pixeled they were. You see everything you need but wtf...
Neither did I think about the advantage that people playing in widescreen have, I considered it marginal but if it only helps in a couple of situations...
"fazek42 told me by mistake that I can "Zoom out in replay/obs and also the game" in the free scr"
How is this a mistake dude? You can zoom out in replays and when using the new obs mode, as well as in single player. I'm using the classic view (SD), which should be available in the free version. What's going on?
On October 07 2018 18:11 Highgamer wrote: Played with classic graphics and black bars for a long time now and thought I didn't even have anything to complain about.
Then I actually compared the nu classic to the old one and was shocked how much more pixeled they were. You see everything you need but wtf...
Neither did I think about the advantage that people playing in widescreen have, I considered it marginal but if it only helps in a couple of situations...
I guess I would give classic widescreen a try...
i cant talk from a new player perspective but i prefer playing 4:3 my mouse and screen ctrl speed is better compared to widescreen.
Moastaz you made the wrong question with this thread. what do u mean to ask is what plugings are available for scr compared to bw 1.16. cuz if you compare original vs original there is no color.
On October 07 2018 18:11 Highgamer wrote: Played with classic graphics and black bars for a long time now and thought I didn't even have anything to complain about.
Then I actually compared the nu classic to the old one and was shocked how much more pixeled they were. You see everything you need but wtf...
Neither did I think about the advantage that people playing in widescreen have, I considered it marginal but if it only helps in a couple of situations...
I guess I would give classic widescreen a try...
i cant talk from a new player perspective but i prefer playing 4:3 my mouse and screen ctrl speed is better compared to widescreen.
I wouldn't be surprised if anyone who played in 4:3 for 10 or more years (I did for 7-8 years now) felt weird switching, weird for a long time.. but having a bigger field of view is definitelly an advantage... with the right mouse-setting there shouldn't be any big difference after a few hundred games or so...
I have paid SCR and run classic graphics fullscreen. What that battlenet post is talking about, is classic graphics widescreen. And that would be silly; classic graphics widescreen? That's not classic. Nobody wants that. Either they want highres+widescreen, or lores+4:3.
You are very wrong about this. Many people want classic gfx+widescreen, including me. They could even make it a SCR paid version only feature. As it stands now, plyers playing with classic gfx have a disadvatage compared to others because they see less on screen and have to scroll more.
Also @Moataz: Sorry to burst your bubble, but most of the things in your Coach AI are just clutter on the screen. You did some nice work to implement a lot of things, and I applaud you for that, but you have no idea about what is really needed and what's not needed. You threw in everything, including the kitchen sink, so please don't talk about SCR devs. + Show Spoiler +
For example, SCR had the unit production tab, but they removed it on request by many players and casters. They also can't add too many things without making the game too different from the classic. And they certainly can't add walls of text on the screen like you did, because that's a terrible idea for a professional game, but it can be ok for a 3rd party tool if limited to a reasonable amount.
You got too carried away by programming and possibilities, but didn't think about it from a design and clear goal perspective. Sometimes less is more.
Yes, I agree, they could have added some easy to implement features, but they are understaffed and working in a big, slow company. It's easy for you, just one guy in a vacuum, to do whatever you want, whenever you want, but that is not the case for them. Don't be so damn cocky.
Thanks for reviewing the CoachAI from your POV, but it has features on game-mode & replay-mode, I guess you only tried it on game-mode, well no human coach will make you better if you're not determined to reach a certain goal (The CoachAI only give some tips & inspire you to break some records to reach these goals and the rest on u), but if you compared the replay-mode to scr one, for me the latter is the eternal darkness (which is 1st reason I couldn't live with scr, the 2nd is the fullscreen)
What I think Blizzard is intending by hiding vital game infos is to excite your mind to guess more, to spend more time with the game that can be less (like hiding the prod-panel from observer-mode, that ok for people watching Tastosis casting ASL, it makes it looks like a thriller/mystery movie), but for me the player I want to learn/sense/remember things as fast/easy as possible.
I'm not feeling ashamed of promoting or talking about my own work, especially if I can't see any alternatives, I hope this is not cockiness.
On October 07 2018 18:13 fazek42 wrote: "fazek42 told me by mistake that I can "Zoom out in replay/obs and also the game" in the free scr"
How is this a mistake dude? You can zoom out in replays and when using the new obs mode, as well as in single player. I'm using the classic view (SD), which should be available in the free version. What's going on?
I tried sc1.22 (free), isn't it the mouse wheel that should do that ?, didn't work for me for replay or game.
Correct me if I'm wrong, otherwise, have a nice day .
On October 07 2018 18:11 Highgamer wrote: Played with classic graphics and black bars for a long time now and thought I didn't even have anything to complain about.
Then I actually compared the nu classic to the old one and was shocked how much more pixeled they were. You see everything you need but wtf...
Neither did I think about the advantage that people playing in widescreen have, I considered it marginal but if it only helps in a couple of situations...
I guess I would give classic widescreen a try...
i cant talk from a new player perspective but i prefer playing 4:3 my mouse and screen ctrl speed is better compared to widescreen.
Moastaz you made the wrong question with this thread. what do u mean to ask is what plugings are available for scr compared to bw 1.16. cuz if you compare original vs original there is no color.
I'm not sure why everybody calling it widescreen, it's fullscreen or fill screen , with black borders I feel I'm missing something, although I might move my mouse less. I was evaluating all things that SCR has and can't be gained by any other mean, I wasn't planning to refuse SCR, I was actually encouraged.
And please no more hate because I didn't like SCR, as I told someone in PM: I'm not saying SCR doesn't worth the money, I'm saying it just neglected additional possibilities, that would make it everyone's dream, you can buy a shirt but it doesn't fit on someone else or he mightn't like it, doesn't mean your shirt is bad.
Have a nice day , sir (that's to cure the cockiness quirinus was taking about).
On October 06 2018 12:12 BigFan wrote: Some of you guys are being extremely silly with the price of the game. Everyone has their own expenses, and for some folks, $10-15 goes a long way into making sure they can still live their life comfortably enough considering the low wages in some places. As it stands, what's most important is determining whether the game is worth the price or not. If you still have friends that use 1.16.1 and don't plan to play RM or you don't care for the MM/gfx, then RM isn't worth it.
There are some cool features like being able to forward reps etc.. however, that depends on whether you think that's worth it. If you are someone who wants the newer gfx, or the MM, some of the newer features etc... then RM might be worth the price. Just keep in mind that RM still has bugs, and isn't perfect atm but that's a given.
You need a somewhat up to date computer to run SCR, so the price argument is a bit moot, if you have a new computer you can afford $10, and if you can't afford a $10 game you are probably not in the target market for this anyway, just play 1.16.
On October 08 2018 14:04 Moataz wrote: I'm not sure why everybody calling it widescreen, it's fullscreen or fill screen , with black borders I feel I'm missing something, although I might move my mouse less.
because they are being accurate with their language. 1.16 and 1.22 can both do fullscreen (as opposed to windowed mode) while only 1.22 can do widescreen (but only with HD graphics). If you are running 1.16 with no black bars on the side on a widescreen monitor, it's because you have a fucked up aspect ratio. You are looking at non-wdescreen content stretched to fill a widescreen. It doesn't make you move your mouse more or less; you see the same amount of the map left to right. Just that if there are no black bars, everything is displayed "fatter". The only way to get widescreen where you actually see more left to right is in 1.22 with HD graphics on.
On October 08 2018 14:04 Moataz wrote: I'm not sure why everybody calling it widescreen, it's fullscreen or fill screen , with black borders I feel I'm missing something, although I might move my mouse less.
because they are being accurate with their language. 1.16 and 1.22 can both do fullscreen (as opposed to windowed mode) while only 1.22 can do widescreen (but only with HD graphics). If you are running 1.16 with no black bars on the side on a widescreen monitor, it's because you have a fucked up aspect ratio. You are looking at non-wdescreen content stretched to fill a widescreen. It doesn't make you move your mouse more or less; you see the same amount of the map left to right. Just that if there are no black bars, everything is displayed "fatter". The only way to get widescreen where you actually see more left to right is in 1.22 with HD graphics on.
There is actually a shitty widescreen hack for 1.16 that he is probably using.
On October 10 2018 10:32 Yanokabo wrote: Does free remastered actually exist? If so can anyone provide a link to download for pc/Mac? I’ve looked on blizzards website and can’t find it.
On October 08 2018 14:04 Moataz wrote: I'm not sure why everybody calling it widescreen, it's fullscreen or fill screen , with black borders I feel I'm missing something, although I might move my mouse less.
because they are being accurate with their language. 1.16 and 1.22 can both do fullscreen (as opposed to windowed mode) while only 1.22 can do widescreen (but only with HD graphics). If you are running 1.16 with no black bars on the side on a widescreen monitor, it's because you have a fucked up aspect ratio. You are looking at non-wdescreen content stretched to fill a widescreen. It doesn't make you move your mouse more or less; you see the same amount of the map left to right. Just that if there are no black bars, everything is displayed "fatter". The only way to get widescreen where you actually see more left to right is in 1.22 with HD graphics on.
There is actually a shitty widescreen hack for 1.16 that he is probably using.
What ? Anyway, it's a VGA setting, not hack, the most game I remember that I wanted it to run in fullscreen was Doom3 which was running with black wide border left/right.
Watch this video for how to if you've VGA is Intel, very similar settings for AMD & nvidia, I remember doing this for all the 3 VGA companies without a problem.
On October 08 2018 14:04 Moataz wrote: I'm not sure why everybody calling it widescreen, it's fullscreen or fill screen , with black borders I feel I'm missing something, although I might move my mouse less.
because they are being accurate with their language. 1.16 and 1.22 can both do fullscreen (as opposed to windowed mode) while only 1.22 can do widescreen (but only with HD graphics). If you are running 1.16 with no black bars on the side on a widescreen monitor, it's because you have a fucked up aspect ratio. You are looking at non-wdescreen content stretched to fill a widescreen. It doesn't make you move your mouse more or less; you see the same amount of the map left to right. Just that if there are no black bars, everything is displayed "fatter". The only way to get widescreen where you actually see more left to right is in 1.22 with HD graphics on.
There is actually a shitty widescreen hack for 1.16 that he is probably using.
What ? Anyway, it's a VGA setting, not hack, the most game I remember that I wanted it to run in fullscreen was Doom3 which was running with black wide border left/right.
Watch this video for how to if you've VGA is Intel, very similar settings for AMD & nvidia, I remember doing this for all the 3 VGA companies without a problem.
As the guy I quoted explained, that isn't "widescreen" ie 16: 9 aspect ratio, its just stretching the 4:3 image wider. You can't do that with free SCR since the black bars are being accounted for to maintain the aspect ratio.
On October 08 2018 14:04 Moataz wrote: I'm not sure why everybody calling it widescreen, it's fullscreen or fill screen , with black borders I feel I'm missing something, although I might move my mouse less.
because they are being accurate with their language. 1.16 and 1.22 can both do fullscreen (as opposed to windowed mode) while only 1.22 can do widescreen (but only with HD graphics). If you are running 1.16 with no black bars on the side on a widescreen monitor, it's because you have a fucked up aspect ratio. You are looking at non-wdescreen content stretched to fill a widescreen. It doesn't make you move your mouse more or less; you see the same amount of the map left to right. Just that if there are no black bars, everything is displayed "fatter". The only way to get widescreen where you actually see more left to right is in 1.22 with HD graphics on.
There is actually a shitty widescreen hack for 1.16 that he is probably using.
What ? Anyway, it's a VGA setting, not hack, the most game I remember that I wanted it to run in fullscreen was Doom3 which was running with black wide border left/right.
Watch this video for how to if you've VGA is Intel, very similar settings for AMD & nvidia, I remember doing this for all the 3 VGA companies without a problem.
As the guy I quoted explained, that isn't "widescreen" ie 16: 9 aspect ratio, its just stretching the 4:3 image wider. You can't do that with free SCR since the black bars are being accounted for to maintain the aspect ratio.
And this is something I don't know? anyway, I'm sorry for trying to help.
According to the OP there are only downsides of SC:R and he has never tried it in real.
I was screaming like a toddler in Disney land when I saw the first screens in HD StarCraft. If such emotion doesn't worth a thing and your favorite game doesn't worth a dime to you, then I'll agree.
If you are looking for 101 reasons not to buy this game go ahead and +1 the thread creator but I will -1 this thread as a whole.
P.S. there are tons of features that you neglect, there is also a lot of room for improvement but the current status is way ahead of the old SCBW state we all know very well. Just will type the first things that come to my mind: - change your hotkeys - I'm playing sc since like day 1 and this is a feature that I appreciate, nevermind that I'm used to the original hotkeys. - HD ... - yes its high definition and also you can zoom out and see how the battles happen from wider angle - fast forward a replay - don't need to wait another 40 minutes to show the perfect moment to another player - fast backward a replay - ...... same - improved latency and overall battle net experience - lately I've been playing with people from any corner of the earth with down to none latency. There are issues of course, but FFS there are places on earth with really bad internet... - being able to hold 3 nicks with your account - you can smurf and nobody will know or you can smurf and your friends will be able still to find you - it's up to personal preference but I like to have another acc for 3v3s and 4v4 and be easily approachable by my friends who can join the fun in easier manner - improved stats screen - you now have a lot more information in your account - not just rank/stats/description - in replay or when observing - see on the minimap where the players are watching - this can provide valuable intel how different players react in different situations - in replay - production tab - really cool and neat - in replay or observer - see both players resources and APM - in game APM + timer - added observer mode - you can host a 1v1 and have up to 10 (TEN) observers - latest replays of games you have played are saved to the cloud and available from wherever you login in StarCraft
And much much more.
And this thread asks what is different in the game, not what is different than a given 3rd party tool.
On October 11 2018 20:39 BlueStar wrote: According to the OP there are only downsides of SC:R and he has never tried it in real.
I was screaming like a toddler in Disney land when I saw the first screens in HD StarCraft. If such emotion doesn't worth a thing and your favorite game doesn't worth a dime to you, then I'll agree.
If you are looking for 101 reasons not to buy this game go ahead and +1 the thread creator but I will -1 this thread as a whole.
P.S. there are tons of features that you neglect, there is also a lot of room for improvement but the current status is way ahead of the old SCBW state we all know very well. Just will type the first things that come to my mind: - change your hotkeys - I'm playing sc since like day 1 and this is a feature that I appreciate, nevermind that I'm used to the original hotkeys. - HD ... - yes its high definition and also you can zoom out and see how the battles happen from wider angle - fast forward a replay - don't need to wait another 40 minutes to show the perfect moment to another player - fast backward a replay - ...... same - improved latency and overall battle net experience - lately I've been playing with people from any corner of the earth with down to none latency. There are issues of course, but FFS there are places on earth with really bad internet... - being able to hold 3 nicks with your account - you can smurf and nobody will know or you can smurf and your friends will be able still to find you - it's up to personal preference but I like to have another acc for 3v3s and 4v4 and be easily approachable by my friends who can join the fun in easier manner - improved stats screen - you now have a lot more information in your account - not just rank/stats/description - in replay or when observing - see on the minimap where the players are watching - this can provide valuable intel how different players react in different situations - in replay - production tab - really cool and neat - in replay or observer - see both players resources and APM - in game APM + timer - added observer mode - you can host a 1v1 and have up to 10 (TEN) observers - latest replays of games you have played are saved to the cloud and available from wherever you login in StarCraft
And much much more.
And this thread asks what is different in the game, not what is different than a given 3rd party tool.
namaste
Thanks for coming to this thread BlueStar, I'll send you PM replying to your post if you want (just send me "yes" in PM to confirm).
I just don't want to argue more in things I've talked about before.
I hope you like SCR like I like SC1.16. Have a nice day mate .
There is no point to argue. Each one of us has his own POV.
One thing that popped in the thread - the 3rd party tools. It can be really cool if Blizzard organize some kind of hackathon - how to improve the UI/UX of SCR
I think SC has a large community of developers and people with know-how who may be willing to invest effort into making this game more modern. Many people kept moving the game and improved the user experience - bwchart, chaos launcher, 7x patcher, anything that can come to someone's mind...
Obviously, it's hard for blizzard to implement the vision of the people who really play StarCraft but they are doing good so far. Not perfect but really well, especially when they face such challenge to adapt such archaic technology in 2017-2018!
Another question, Can I join tournaments like CPL with free SCR ? I know free SCR doesn't allow Ladder, so what about tournaments that require that you have a certain amount of SCR MMR ?
lul i tried playing ladder last week, i'm unranked now i hit search game, 54sec estimated, 240sec elapsed cancel gg bye lul also chat is still broken apparently, at first couldn't communicate with my friend we had to use /w (the chat doesn't relay like 10% messages, sometimes it works it seems, sometimes not, so still not fixed i guess) ofc friend list still just say "unranked" etc, whatever i will probably uninstall again shortly i think population on europe server is about the same or lower as before SC:R ? it may be pretty close to iccup population now. Last time i checked iccup it had 200+ players can't remember time of day, europe has this amount near midnight i think i dont rly doubt iccup is lot better for laddering
On October 28 2018 21:28 Moataz wrote: Another question, Can I join tournaments like CPL with free SCR ? I know free SCR doesn't allow Ladder, so what about tournaments that require that you have a certain amount of SCR MMR ?
how are you going to get the "certain amount of SCR MMR" required without ladder?
On October 28 2018 21:28 Moataz wrote: Another question, Can I join tournaments like CPL with free SCR? I know free SCR doesn't allow Ladder, so what about tournaments that require that you have a certain amount of SCR MMR ?
how are you going to get the "certain amount of SCR MMR" required without ladder?
I meant is there are any tournaments that don't require "certain amount of SCR MMR", maybe just ICCUP account/rank? , I don't know much about tournaments, maybe BWCL ?