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Take my creep Cadenzie !!!
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Anybody going to the qualifiers from non-Korea?
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Can't wait! Hopefully Last recovers ><
On December 26 2018 12:41 Sokokrey wrote: Take my creep Cadenzie !!!
?? what
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What’s wrong with Last? Sick or something?
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TLADT24917 Posts
Great to hear. Can't wait to see who takes this one
On December 26 2018 14:19 Alpha-NP- wrote: What’s wrong with Last? Sick or something? Wrists are busted.
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This is great news. I can't wait for more ASL action. Shame Flash and Shuttle won't be competing in this tournament. Here's hoping Last's wrist problems don't prevent him for this ASL like it did Flash.
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United States9658 Posts
RIP Terran line, wristsagi is too much for Last and FlaSh to handle.
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I wonder if the get asl ro4 seed -> go to army next season trend will continue. Sad to see fan favorites leaving for military or taking time off for health reasons, but not much we can do about it. It does provide a nice rotation of players though, and gives opportunity for rising stars to shine eventually which I think is good for the scene.
Hope to see soma qualify and make a run. Also larva feels due for a deep run, all the top zergs have been finalists except him now. Does he have what it takes? Ofc I have to cheer for protosses mostly though, maybe Mini can make a breakthrough or rain can get over his slump. Protoss havent been doing well lately, and Id like to believe that we are capable of winning tournaments without the aid of imbalanced maps
Looking forward to another season of ASL
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ALLEYCAT BLUES49035 Posts
hopefully the map selection is good, but really excited for whats to come in 2019
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On December 26 2018 18:13 BLinD-RawR wrote: hopefully the map selection is good, but really excited for whats to come in 2019
Bring back Gold Rush and Third World!
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Yeah I actually really liked Third World. May need an edit so Zergs can survive it though.
What I hope is that they don't overload Terran maps into this one because Flash won't be playing. Sharp is in good shape and I want a Rain vs. Soulkey finals.
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Anyone knows if my boy JD will play ????
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On December 26 2018 13:26 Alpha-NP- wrote: Anybody going to the qualifiers from non-Korea?
As far as i know Dewalt is going to Korea to participate in ASL7 and ofc. CadenZie will do also play? Am I right?
I would like to see JD in ASL again too, but i think there are no chances to see that
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On December 26 2018 14:19 Alpha-NP- wrote: What’s wrong with Last? Sick or something?
macaron venture taking off big time
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Not sure on the status of JD's wrists~
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On December 26 2018 18:22 oxKnu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2018 18:13 BLinD-RawR wrote: hopefully the map selection is good, but really excited for whats to come in 2019 Bring back Gold Rush and Third World!
Yea Lets bring those heavily imbalanced maps back! Preferably all in one bo3!
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Hmm yeh lack of terrans is certainly possible with Sea also gone
Still, excited about ASL!
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On December 26 2018 20:28 onlystar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2018 18:22 oxKnu wrote:On December 26 2018 18:13 BLinD-RawR wrote: hopefully the map selection is good, but really excited for whats to come in 2019 Bring back Gold Rush and Third World! Yea Lets bring those heavily imbalanced maps back! Preferably all in one bo3! The games were very interesting at least. I LOVED Third World.
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Great to see the prize pool is higher this season at ₩80,000,000 ($70,000 USD) compared to last season's ₩48,000 ($42,654 USD). It is now matching the prize pool for the KSL.
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On December 26 2018 20:28 onlystar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2018 18:22 oxKnu wrote:On December 26 2018 18:13 BLinD-RawR wrote: hopefully the map selection is good, but really excited for whats to come in 2019 Bring back Gold Rush and Third World! Yea Lets bring those heavily imbalanced maps back! Preferably all in one bo3!
Imbalanced how?
Should we also stop playing PvZ because it's imbalanced?
I don't think this is the game for pretty analysis here.
I only really care about entertaining value. I'm a viewer most of all.
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It would be time for Last or Snow to win ASL!
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Awesome to hear that ASL is back With a larger prizepool, even!
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On December 27 2018 03:04 PVJ wrote: What's up w/ Sea? What do you mean?
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I think ASL7 is for these 4 Zergs to win: Effort Soulkey Jaedong and Larva. I just hope they don’t get put in an all Zerg group like before.
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I am so ready for another year of the ASL. Last year was my first real exposure to watching pro Brood War, and boy it was a lot of fun. Between this and the KSL, it's super cool to see professional Brood War, and it seems to be doing very well popularity/viewership wise (at least as far as I understand), which is just tubular.
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Larva vs. Last finals! Make it happen!
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On December 27 2018 04:50 outscar wrote: Larva vs. Last finals! Make it happen! finals is BO5 right? Last sweeps larva from 0-2 to 3-2 and last starts celebrating as music conductor which causes larva to lose his shit... credits
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Thirding third world. Games were really good and interesting. Not like we haven't seen plenty of other less than perfectly balanced maps played, and for years.
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On December 26 2018 22:52 oxKnu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2018 20:28 onlystar wrote:On December 26 2018 18:22 oxKnu wrote:On December 26 2018 18:13 BLinD-RawR wrote: hopefully the map selection is good, but really excited for whats to come in 2019 Bring back Gold Rush and Third World! Yea Lets bring those heavily imbalanced maps back! Preferably all in one bo3! Imbalanced how? Should we also stop playing PvZ because it's imbalanced? I don't think this is the game for pretty analysis here. I only really care about entertaining value. I'm a viewer most of all. pvt is either terran goes early push before carriers, or loses. how is that fun to watch?
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On December 27 2018 05:18 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2018 22:52 oxKnu wrote:On December 26 2018 20:28 onlystar wrote:On December 26 2018 18:22 oxKnu wrote:On December 26 2018 18:13 BLinD-RawR wrote: hopefully the map selection is good, but really excited for whats to come in 2019 Bring back Gold Rush and Third World! Yea Lets bring those heavily imbalanced maps back! Preferably all in one bo3! Imbalanced how? Should we also stop playing PvZ because it's imbalanced? I don't think this is the game for pretty analysis here. I only really care about entertaining value. I'm a viewer most of all. pvt is either terran goes early push before carriers, or loses. how is that fun to watch?
Uhh...there were more Carrier games on New Sniper Ridge this month than the whole ASL for Transistor and Third World.
The maps were balanced enough, people are just looking for a lazy copout, as always.
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On December 27 2018 08:54 oxKnu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2018 05:18 FlaShFTW wrote:On December 26 2018 22:52 oxKnu wrote:On December 26 2018 20:28 onlystar wrote:On December 26 2018 18:22 oxKnu wrote:On December 26 2018 18:13 BLinD-RawR wrote: hopefully the map selection is good, but really excited for whats to come in 2019 Bring back Gold Rush and Third World! Yea Lets bring those heavily imbalanced maps back! Preferably all in one bo3! Imbalanced how? Should we also stop playing PvZ because it's imbalanced? I don't think this is the game for pretty analysis here. I only really care about entertaining value. I'm a viewer most of all. pvt is either terran goes early push before carriers, or loses. how is that fun to watch? Uhh...there were more Carrier games on New Sniper Ridge this month than the whole ASL for Transistor and Third World. The maps were balanced enough, people are just looking for a lazy copout, as always.
[/QUOTE]the maps were balanced enough, people are just looking for a lazy copout, as always.[/QUOTE]
rofl i can't tell if you are trolling or just do not have a clue on the dynamics of TvP carrier play on transistor/third world.
since flashftw is pointing out that terran only has a few options to come out winning either push/end a game quick or get huge lead from the push or struggle all game long and still lose to op carriers on those maps...
the replayability is just not there you will see the same struggle for terran every game i guess that's fun to watch or at least interesting to see a Terran try and combat the map layout versus carriers but it will get boring pretty fast after a few games.
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On December 27 2018 03:04 PVJ wrote: What's up w/ Sea? He started his mandatory military service.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES49035 Posts
On December 27 2018 12:37 Ilikestarcraft wrote:He started his mandatory military service.
I didn't know this, thanks.
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TLADT24917 Posts
On December 27 2018 12:37 Ilikestarcraft wrote:He started his mandatory military service. wow when?
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On December 27 2018 03:41 Alpha-NP- wrote: I think ASL7 is for these 4 Zergs to win: Effort Soulkey Jaedong and Larva. I just hope they don’t get put in an all Zerg group like before.
Hmmm without Flash here and with Last having wrist problems I just don't know what T can beat any of those guys in a Bo5. Light is great but a choker and Sharp is good but not at that level at least in TvZ. As for P players now that Shuttle AND Bisu are gone I don't even know who is good at PvZ any more haha. I guess Best / Rain / Mini? But then Mini is also a huge choker too :\ . I'll be happy if a Protoss takes any games off of the top Zergs in this tournament haha. Looking like unless the maps are bad for Z, it could very easily be an all-Z semi-finals.
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If I had to bet on who I thought had the best offline PvZ, I would say Snow.
Stork showed he can upset Last in a previous ASL. I figure Best, Mini, and Stork might knockout one or two of the best players each if they are playing well in a given day.
Sharps TvZ has been looking incredible. In bo1 he could advance out of the group stages imo even if it was Effort Soulkey Jaedong in his.
Last also has the potential to do incredible in ASL7 depending on his wrist health.
With Last and Sharp I think Terran has a chance to do decent. Not as bad as people are predicting.
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Wow, I didn't know Sea had started his military service.
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Sea went to military service on Christmas Eve I think it was
his last stream was on the day of the MPL 2nd set (23rd)
MPL spoilers + Show Spoiler +He celebrated his win by eating a hamburger, he also won't be present for the finals so I'm not sure how they will work around that
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On December 27 2018 18:41 ShloobeR wrote:Sea went to military service on Christmas Eve I think it was his last stream was on the day of the MPL 2nd set (23rd) MPL spoilers + Show Spoiler +He celebrated his win by eating a hamburger, he also won't be present for the finals so I'm not sure how they will work around that Interesting info thanks, I did not know
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On December 27 2018 18:41 ShloobeR wrote:Sea went to military service on Christmas Eve I think it was his last stream was on the day of the MPL 2nd set (23rd) MPL spoilers + Show Spoiler +He celebrated his win by eating a hamburger, he also won't be present for the finals so I'm not sure how they will work around that
+ Show Spoiler +it was decided that shinee will replace him in the case his team made it to the finals
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On December 27 2018 14:13 Alpha-NP- wrote: If I had to bet on who I thought had the best offline PvZ, I would say Snow.
Stork showed he can upset Last in a previous ASL. I figure Best, Mini, and Stork might knockout one or two of the best players each if they are playing well in a given day.
Sharps TvZ has been looking incredible. In bo1 he could advance out of the group stages imo even if it was Effort Soulkey Jaedong in his.
Last also has the potential to do incredible in ASL7 depending on his wrist health.
With Last and Sharp I think Terran has a chance to do decent. Not as bad as people are predicting.
Hm yeah I sorta forgot about Snow since he didn't qualify for KSL2 and didn't get past the Ro16 in the last ASL. I really hope he does well this ASL I really like his play. Sharp didn't look too great in the KSL finals outside that first set (where he looked great), but I guess Soulkey can make any T that isn't Flash look like a dope. But that's the thing: Sharp can definitely take some games off of larva/effort/SK/JD, but can he take any of them in a Bo5? Maybe JD but almost certainly not the other 3? Although i guess in the Ro16 of the KSL he took Larva to game 5 so larva is maybe not as hot as SK/Effort right now.
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I asked Letmelose of his opinion of the best Zergs going into ASL7. Here is his response.
Letmelose:
Jaedong: Dude got his legacy through impossibly high levels of fundamentals and mechanics. They're gone, and the state of his body and current practice regime means that we will never see the likes of it ever again. If you are familiar with football, think of the Brazilian Ronaldo after his knee injuries.
EffOrt: The player that understands the essence of the zerg race the best (doesn't mean the best ability necessarily, but the best approach). EffOrt does not have the absolute best raw fundamentals, nor does he have the best gaming understanding under orthodox situations. However, he draws everything from the zerg arsenal to gain leads, in every possible manner you can think of including multi-tasking, decision making, micro-management, and on the spot mind games. On his best days, EffOrt's games are pure art. However, he really isn't good enough as a player to sustain that level of execution, mind games, and gaming theory all the time to provide results in a reliable way like Jaedong once managed to.
Larva: The greatest beneficiary of the current streaming ecosystem out of the four. Larva is young, hungry to prove himself, and has played the greatest number of online sponsored games out of the four players. He has by far the best late game macro-management and fundamentals (for example, keeping the cycle of zerg production flowing without skipping a beat), and is capable of the highest levels of execution if no curve balls and is allowed to play within his comfort zone. While he never would have amounted to anything if the professional scene had continued (meaning I actually don't rate him highly as a pure gaming talent), the current set of circumstances, including physical state of the various gamers, their levels of drive, and u[coming military duties, means that Larva's stock as a player is on the rise.
Soulkey: If Larva has the greatest fundamentals on orthodox games as of today, Soulkey has the greatest decision making within the confines of orthodox matches. Given his low APM numbers, you'd think he sucks ass at multi-tasking, but his speed of thought and the order in which he manages his screens and attentions in frequently occuring situations are unmatched. He is almost Flash-esque in this regard, in that he makes the 9 out of 10 decisions given the available information throughout the entire game without fail, whereas EffOrt is more the type to go for the 10 out of 10 decision without the necessary information or skill to pull it off reliably, but hoping that he guesses his opponents right, or can sometimes pull off the impossibly hard levels execution required for the 10 out of 10 gaming decision. The texbook zerg as of today is Soulkey.
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That's awesome! Protoss and Terran predictions wohls be amazing, too
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Here is Letmelose’s explanation from last summer about the playstyles of the best Protoss players.
Letmelose:
SnOw is not a macro-management player, he wins through tactical maneuvers, heroic usage of key units such as reavers and carriers, and his games tend to be won and lost off what happens on a single screen.
He is not somebody who pays extreme detail to probe count optimization, adding additional gateways at just the right moments, and constantly switching screeens to manage multiple bases.
CJ Entus protoss players such as Much, Movie, and SnOw had a tendency to play a more tactical game as opposed to the more optimization-based, solid macro-management style that was enjoyed by the SK Telecom T1 protoss players. Words such as abusive, and infuriating may suit how these players utilized protoss units to create their chances.
Rain has a much cleaner, more optimization based game that has incredibly well thought out flow-charty feel to it. He is basically the post-Bisu everybody was looking for (both have good multi-tasking skills, although Bisu's multi-tasking has a much more innate feel to it), while SnOw creates opportunities and capitalizes on them in his own unique manner.
SnOw will never be someone like Bisu (stylistically speaking Rain is a much better candidate, and while Mini is fast he reminds me more of Kal than Bisu), but I think he has the potential in him to become the next Stork (although Stork was a much more well rounded player during his prime).
If watching CJ Entus protoss players gave me the feeling that these players were abusing specific certain protoss units, compositions, and techniques, watching Samsung Khan protosses (more specifically Stork and JangBi) personally gave me a feeling that these players mastered all available techniques and tactics regarding protoss warfare (ranging from guerrilla warfare to epic large scale battles).
SnOw's play-style isn't necessarily flawed, he just needs to build on his already potent repertoire of skill-sets. Of course, SnOw does have one of the worst multiple screen management I've seen from a top flight protoss player, which explains his sub-par macro-management. However, his play-making ability with reavers alone make him one of the most feared protoss-versus-terran players in the game. Such mastery over a unit cannot be ignored. I think it is not a coincidence that SnOw holds the title for the most recorded kills from a single unit (72 kills from a single reaver) in a televised match.
JangBi during his prime is the most gifted protoss player I've seen thus far, in terms of his ability to make something out of nothing within a single screen, with nothing but his raw execution of play-making to fall back on. SnOw isn't there yet, but his play-making with units such as reavers and carriers have always been top notch, and if he builds on that, his approach to the game may not be a limiting factor.
While Stork's macro-management decisions weren't picture perfect, his attention to the minute details would often be water-tight during his prime. It is something that is severely lacking from him in his current form, and to pretend all of it is muscle memory that can be mastered by even the novice players is an over-statement.
Take a look at the second game of his quarter-finals match against Bisu, Stork is preparing for a two reaver timing push against Bisu, and Bisu scouts the first reaver with his observer.
Stork starts to unload then load his first reaver in an off-beat manner with Bisu's observer watching, and this is just one of the finer attentions to detail Stork possessed that others lacked. By having his first reaver sometimes visible, and sometimes not visible from the map, Stork was attempting to obfuscate the timing of the second reaver, by making it not clear whether the reaver being loaded was the first reaver being unloaded then loaded, or the second reaver being loaded with the first reaver already being inside the shuttle.
When Stork defeated FanTaSy on Flight-Dreamliner with perfect carrier utilization, he mentioned in an interview that he control grouped his carriers separately so that his DPS would be maximized. Not only was the actual execution of carrier micro-management a cut above the rest, Stork knew when to target goliaths, and when to target siege tanks, when to spread the terran army thin with his ground troops, which terrain to abuse, and when to ignore the terran army entirely. All these things add up, and Stork during his prime handled the protoss units with more care and precision than any other protoss players I've seen.
Despite having played more games of televised Brood War matches than any protoss player in history, it was quite rare to find matches where Stork lost solely due to a severe mishandling of his units. He was an artisan of protoss units, and while players have their signature units such as SnOw with his reavers, or Bisu with his corsairs, Stork probably had the broadest, as well as the deepest knowledge of how to handle the entire arsenal of protoss units.
It is a matter of player preference. Some players like to bring their units to life. Some players focus more on their bases and optimize their infrastructure to perfection. Some players like to perform more tasks within a given time-frame, and try to multi-task the opponent to death. There are so many dimensions to this game that no player can be perfect in everything, and we will never see a perfect game of Brood War unless there is an AI capable of issuing infinite commands working with an algorithm of the highest calibre. Everyone has their own unique philosophy on how to approach the game, and the proving grounds are the competitive platforms. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but nothing can take away competitive results.
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ASL 7 1st place predictions?
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On December 30 2018 13:17 InmateNextdoor wrote: ASL 7 1st place predictions? Larva
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On December 30 2018 13:23 fgt4w wrote:Larva
Sharp
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Rain/Soulkey are the favorites.
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SoulKey is my pick at the moment.
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On December 26 2018 17:12 FyRe_DragOn wrote:I wonder if the get asl ro4 seed -> go to army next season trend will continue. Sad to see fan favorites leaving for military or taking time off for health reasons, but not much we can do about it. It does provide a nice rotation of players though, and gives opportunity for rising stars to shine eventually which I think is good for the scene. Hope to see soma qualify and make a run. Also larva feels due for a deep run, all the top zergs have been finalists except him now. Does he have what it takes? Ofc I have to cheer for protosses mostly though, maybe Mini can make a breakthrough or rain can get over his slump. Protoss havent been doing well lately, and Id like to believe that we are capable of winning tournaments without the aid of imbalanced maps Looking forward to another season of ASL Can't wait! Hopefully Last recovers ><
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I’m rooting for Effort, Soulkey, Best, Mini, and Snow.
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On December 30 2018 13:17 InmateNextdoor wrote: ASL 7 1st place predictions? Artosis
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Last will utterly dominate. He won't face a zerg in the ro8 or ro4 though.
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Last and effort are the two names I feel that have the strongest chance to win asl 7. Rain if he is playing. I just can’t see many other names making it past the ro16-ro8 phase. Flash and jd not playing makes it even more obvious who finalists will be. Best just never gets past ro16s anymore but he has the skill to win asl if he also has the will. The second part is more important for him.
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Will there be a liquipedia bracket contest for ASL 7, or something.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES49035 Posts
On January 01 2019 03:46 sntct wrote: Will there be a liquipedia bracket contest for ASL 7, or something. No plans as of yet.
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Whose registered for the qualifiers so far?
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So I am pretty sure the first qualifier is in like 16 hours or so? Seoul. Where half of the players get qualified. It is the big one. Right? (Sorry double post)
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France1916 Posts
Anyone know at what time start the qualifiers so I can put them on the calendar? thx
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will there be a stream for qualifiers?
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On January 05 2019 03:16 HaN- wrote: Anyone know at what time start the qualifiers so I can put them on the calendar? thx
I'm not sure when the qualifiers start. Might have to ask Rapid or something. We only know the date atm, unfortunately. Anyone know what the start time was for the ASL 6 qualifiers.
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can anyone confirm if JD will be playing or not?
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I think it might be in a few hours. I made a qualifiers thread for ASL 6 and it says I made it 10:10 aaest. I'm guessing the qualifiers might be around the same time. It's 10:30 am Australian time now.
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Heading to the Qualifiers now. The first group just started. I'll try to post updates on Twitter.
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I'm trying to think of the ideal Ro16 given the players who are already seeded and no flash:
already seeded: effort last sharp mini
really damn good players that I'd be really disappointed if they didn't qualify: soulkey rain snow best larva
probably the next tier of players?: jaedong where action mind light
also probably good enough for Ro16 but not much past that? could be interchanged with like 10 other players: mong horang2
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France1916 Posts
Anyone know the time qualifiers start today and tomorrow?
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Just took a look but couldn't find it, people are already setting up at the PC bang though so I'd guess within a couple of hours?
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On December 26 2018 18:22 oxKnu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2018 18:13 BLinD-RawR wrote: hopefully the map selection is good, but really excited for whats to come in 2019 Bring back Gold Rush and Third World!
This And destination!
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do we know when the finals are?
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Will there only be 3 maps this season? or is that just for the qualifiers?
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Every ASL seems to use 4 maps. Looks like Fighting Spirit was used in addition to the new maps in the qualifiers over the weekend, although according to liquipedia there is precedent for some maps being used in qualifiers but not the real ASL.
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United States9658 Posts
Ro24 players are finished qualifying, time to see what group of deaths are gonna come around. Here's my tier list for players with the best chance of winning the whole thing:
Favorites (Making finals): Soulkey, EffOrt
Bracket favorites (Make Ro8): Last, Mini, Rain, Sharp, Larva, Snow, Where, Action
Mid-cards (3rd place in Ro16): Light, Best, Mong, Mind, Horang2, Guemchi
Underdogs (Last in Ro16 or 3rd in Ro24): Tyson, ggaemo, Piano, Rush, Modesty, Byul
No chance (Not making Ro16): Nada, JyJ, Tinkle, Sascri, ZeLot
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would replace where by best, horang2 by piano and pretty sure sacsri can make it to the ro16
and Calm in the no chance list also
edit: with 10z 11t and only 7p, someone like Mini should be replaced by someone like Light Rain could also have a hard time, and Action increase his chances imo not to mention that Last is clearly happy also
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Sad to see no Jaedong in this ASL
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I've really liked Best's form recently. Looks really good in the KCM and is killing it online. Hoping to see him continue his form in the ASL.
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