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Bluestar is so wrong about twitter. It is used as a source of NEWS all over the world. However, that means unless you are a public figure, you have little reason to have an account.
There is a reason why Jeremy Corbyn has a twitter account. I dont even use twitter much, yet I know that thousands of kurds took to twitter to post videos and pictures of turkish government crimes in 2013. Palestinians have posted videos of airstrikes etc. What qikz is saying is that twitter is used for the purpose of spreading news in other esports. However, this fact is not so related to this conversation.
No need to make things up and insult qikz with such authority regarding a tool that you claim isnt even used in your country.
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Let's say for the sake of argument that every single person who actively plays Starcraft: Remastered also has a Twitter account and checks Twitter daily. Even if that were the case, how many of these users know about Mr. Davies' Twitter account and are followers of this account? Is 92 votes on his Twitter poll a good sample size to reflect the opinion of the SC:R playerbase?
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On February 14 2019 06:55 SchAmToo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2019 06:21 jimminy_kriket wrote: I'm not on Twitter. And it doesn't look like many people from the Korean scene saw that poll either considering only 92 people voted. And considering that a decision was made, it appears that this does in fact matter so I don't see what you're getting at schamtoo. My point is, we can argue about where grant should've reached out to for the foreign community, but it doesn't matter that much considering its varying small percentages compared to reaching out to any part of the korean community. I don't like twitter for a poll here either, but it's really not that much of a crazy topic to me to make a bnet post and a TL post thats this long lol.
So because you think this isnt a "crazy topic", we cannot complain about the way the SC:R Devs are handling stuff that might be important to other people? You are the instance that decides what is important or not? SC:R Devs should ask you everytime they make a decision, eh?
Also what point is this "Koreans are more important and have a huge playerbase". Yea that is correct, but what does this have to do with them asking the foreign scene? Thats such a strawman argument lmao. We know that they have contact to Korean pros and obviously Blizzard Korea will also ask the korean scene as well. But in this instance it seems like Grant made the decision based on a twitter poll with 92 votes where it was a FOUR vote difference. If you cant see how this is flawed, maybe you should not be biased. And no if the decision would be changing the replay system, I would also complain.
Twitter polls should NEVER have any impact on game design decisions, PERIOD.
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Corrupted Cup 2019: Grand Prix Eurovision de la Chanson
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Grand Prix Eurovision de la Chanson I & II
Ladies and Gentlemen of the European Zone, also dear Brexiteers,
we're glad to announce that once more Kirill "RUS_Brain" Patyrykin did it and supplied us with the opportunity to buy determine not only one, but two spots for a significant tournament. As you might have heard, the decision was delegated and is now in my incompetent hands. Also, there is ReD.Fischei supporting me with correcting every of the mistakes I will be doing along the way.
Our primary goal is to come up with some sort of ridiculous system that will make sure that European players will rule the final event in Moscow alongside our fellow friend eOnzErG. We planned for quite some time and are ready to present you with our ideas. Those are not up for debate and yes, we are serious. No, we are not joking as we're both Germans and thus incapable of understanding humor.
On an unrelated topic, both administrators are currently looking for sponsors.
The System
The system is fairly easy and straightforward. There will be two knock out tournaments in the upcoming future, from which the winners will gain a ticket to Moscow. It's that simple.
Actually, it's not. Since the tournaments will take place significantly before the main event is scheduled, the winners shouldn't feel too safe: If someone feels as if he could take them down, he might be able to challenge them for a Best of Seven, if he shows gratitude toward the organization.
By gratitude we mean the obligatory payment of $50 into the main event's prize pool. As every initial winner can only be challenged a total of two times, the payment might increase if someone else thinks he has a even better change and a deeper pocket. In other words, as soon as there is interest for a challenge, we will start a bid on the challenge spot, the highest bidder earns the opportunity.
To stress this out: once the initial tournaments are over, make damn sure to contact the administration before you send $50, so we can set up the bidding war and discuss the details of the challenge matches.
Moreover, we try to increase the prize pool by any means neccessary. We're cheap, we're young, we don't have any regrets and no moral whatsoever. Anyone can show gratitude to change the set up of the future tournaments easily. The only limitation is your imagination, if you have money, we're taking it.
A list of suggestions of how you could show gratitude and mix it up (you can raise money yourself or donate bits with a group towards a purpose):
- $5: I will follow you on Instagram or Facebook or Twitter or YouTube.
- $10: I will send an annoying Telegram to Brain with the meme of your choice.
- $20: Select the Starting Map for Round 1 (from the map pool)
- $75: Ban Fighting Spirit and replace it with a balanced map
- $100 LuLz Donation: You will get a postcard from someone somewhere, if you supply your adress. It will also feature a bag full of nothing in it.
- $100: Rename the Tournament Name from e.g. "Corruption EU Qualifier I" to "[pG]Ceratul is great Czear Tour #1". First come, first serve.
- $100: Tournament System will be changed from Knock Out to Double Elimination
- $500: The first Tournament (Qualifier I) will be changed to Swiss System, 4 Rounds, Bo3, potential Tie Breaks Bo3 after the final round. If you are mad enough to donate that kind of money, I'm willing to attempt the impossible.
eek before the Qualifiers. Max 3 Exchanges allowed. Fighting Spirit may not be replaced. Map must not contain bugs.
- $100 towards the winner: The winner has to use the nick you want in the final tournament. No too demeaning nicks, nothing racist or such.
Any bids and gratitude donations ideas are welcome.
Make sure to contanct the administration via Discore B E F O R E you make any transaction, so we can ensure that the money is a) from you and b) the idea isn't too ridiculous, even by our standards!
Qualifiers
Date: June, 2nd 16:00 CET Check-In Start: 15:30 CET Grid: https://challonge.com/de/CorruptedEU_1 Channel: Corruption EU Map Pool: FS, CB, Cross Game, Overwatch, Medusa, Colosseum II Mode: Best of One, Quarter Finals, Semi Finals: Bo3, Finals: Bo5
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Date: June, 22nd 16:00 CET Check-In Start: 15:30 CET Grid: https://challonge.com/de/CorruptedEU_2 Channel: Corruption EU Map Pool: FS, CB, Cross Game, Overwatch, Medusa, Colosseum II Mode: Best of One, Quarter Finals, Semi Finals: Bo3, Finals: Bo5
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Join Discord: https://discord.gg/w7aXrYE
Countrys allowed to participate:
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Gibraltar Fuck Gibraltar Spain France Monaco Belgium Netherlands Luxembourg Germany Switzerland Liechtenstein Malta Italy Austria Czechia Slovenia Croatia Slovakia Hungary Bosnia and Herzegovina Serbia Montenegro Albania Macedonia North Macedonia (North Macedonia?) Greece Romania Bulgaria Cyprus Turkey
Rules
The standard rules of the overall tournament apply.
Additional Rules:
- Right of Admission (I): The administration reserves the right to change and/or alter existing rules, as well as denying access to the qualifiers without further explanation.
- Right of Admission (II): The administration will not accept the entry of any known hacker or cheater, regardless of when he/she/it was caught breaking the rules. The same logic is applied to known abusers and trolls.
- Discord: The use of discord is mandatory. Admins should be contact primarily through this mean of communication.
For the sake of transparency, the rules are explained if you want to know the reasoning and deeper meaning.
+ Show Spoiler [footnotes] +- Right of Admission (I): If you constantly try to bend the rules by nitpicking constantly and/or troll players/administrators in an overboarding(!) way, you will divert attention from the ongoing event. You will then be able to see the event unfolding without you being part of it. For some things I'm just too old, argueing with angry 12 year olds is one of them.
- Right of Admission (II): Hackers suck.
- Discord: Battle.net can not be trusted and Discord is easier to manage in terms of keeping an eye on things. Doesn't mean no admin will be present on the play days.
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On February 14 2019 07:29 Rodya wrote: Bluestar is so wrong about twitter. It is used as a source of NEWS all over the world. However, that means unless you are a public figure, you have little reason to have an account.
There is a reason why Jeremy Corbyn has a twitter account. I dont even use twitter much, yet I know that thousands of kurds took to twitter to post videos and pictures of turkish government crimes in 2013. Palestinians have posted videos of airstrikes etc. What qikz is saying is that twitter is used for the purpose of spreading news in other esports. However, this fact is not so related to this conversation.
No need to make things up and insult qikz with such authority regarding a tool that you claim isnt even used in your country. Putting words in my mouth is the only insulting thing here.
Twitter is useless unless you are a journalist, corporation or a rockstar. I dived i little deeper in a topic where everyone is involved but not many are really dealing with.
There are better ways of doing the job. In fact - the said path, a poll through twitter is the most useless approach that can be imagined.
Live your life dude.
P.S. 2013 was 7 years ago. The future is now is one of the most distributed slogans in 2018. Today is 2019. Just FYI
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On February 13 2019 01:12 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2019 19:11 Ikirouta wrote:On February 12 2019 09:51 SchAmToo wrote:On February 12 2019 08:55 SCWes wrote:On February 12 2019 05:52 RAPiDCasting wrote: I don't know if removing < 2min replays counts as a "essential feature" or a "major decision" but it's always good to see developers reaching out to the community for feedback instead of ignoring it and doing things on their own. I would agree that it isn't a major decision, and reaching out to the community is great, but IMO this isn't how you go about reaching our community. " this isn't how you go about reaching our community." is unfair and disingenuous at best. As a content creator trying to reach every spectrum of "our community" (which I assume you mean SCBW at large) I'd love for someone to name ONE place to get the majority of the community. It's not bnet forums, tl forums, defiler forums, afreeca forums, whatever other korean forums, reddit, etc... Our "community" is so divided is twitter that much worse an option? I don't think so. Twitter isn't that popular outside of the US. People keep saying this but I've never met a person in real life or european online outside of the SCBW scene that doesn't use twitter.
Most people that I know IRL or online don't use twitter.
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And tbh, all this talk about centralizing the scene to one place, why can't we just use TL for all the information? Thats the way it's always been and I don't see any problems.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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On February 14 2019 16:19 Ikirouta wrote: And tbh, all this talk about centralizing the scene to one place, why can't we just use TL for all the information? Thats the way it's always been and I don't see any problems.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Well, from Blizzard's POV they need have control over the system that they share information primarily. TL.net is great and we are using it but after all StarCraft is Blizzard's child.
Sharing information, engagement, and collaboration with the main sites who are working on your titles is the job of the community manager. Idk if there is such thing for BW anymore after the layoffs... :/
Blizzard are on a dark path these days.
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They have their Battle.Net forums though, why not just use those? Some TLers like myself and others check those forums quite often and could spread the word.
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On February 14 2019 16:39 chrisolo wrote: They have their Battle.Net forums though, why not just use those? Some TLers like myself and others check those forums quite often and could spread the word. Yes, exactly.
My suspicion is that somebody made a poll just to justify that they won't do something.
Can't find other logical explanation.
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On February 14 2019 06:55 SchAmToo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2019 06:21 jimminy_kriket wrote: I'm not on Twitter. And it doesn't look like many people from the Korean scene saw that poll either considering only 92 people voted. And considering that a decision was made, it appears that this does in fact matter so I don't see what you're getting at schamtoo. My point is, we can argue about where grant should've reached out to for the foreign community, but it doesn't matter that much considering its varying small percentages compared to reaching out to any part of the korean community. I don't like twitter for a poll here either, but it's really not that much of a crazy topic to me to make a bnet post and a TL post thats this long lol.
I don't think I've ever seen a post of yours that I didn't 100% disagree with, and every single one here from you has been the same way. How can you even be defending something like this.(are you even defending it, or are you just saying that TL'ers who care about it shouldn't care about it, because you get to decide it, so it seems) What exactly are you trying to say with that korean apologist bullshit? Is this some kind of weird racism I don't understand? You're so new to the scene, yet you already think that only koreans' opinions (and yours) matter. 95% of the population of this website care more about the game than you ever will, you don't belong on the highground you seem to have placed yourself on.
Everything about this topic is preposterous, defending it in any way is preposterous.
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On February 14 2019 04:33 SchAmToo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2019 21:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On February 13 2019 16:59 Qikz wrote:On February 13 2019 01:53 Cele wrote:On February 13 2019 01:12 Qikz wrote:On February 12 2019 19:11 Ikirouta wrote:On February 12 2019 09:51 SchAmToo wrote:On February 12 2019 08:55 SCWes wrote:On February 12 2019 05:52 RAPiDCasting wrote: I don't know if removing < 2min replays counts as a "essential feature" or a "major decision" but it's always good to see developers reaching out to the community for feedback instead of ignoring it and doing things on their own. I would agree that it isn't a major decision, and reaching out to the community is great, but IMO this isn't how you go about reaching our community. " this isn't how you go about reaching our community." is unfair and disingenuous at best. As a content creator trying to reach every spectrum of "our community" (which I assume you mean SCBW at large) I'd love for someone to name ONE place to get the majority of the community. It's not bnet forums, tl forums, defiler forums, afreeca forums, whatever other korean forums, reddit, etc... Our "community" is so divided is twitter that much worse an option? I don't think so. Twitter isn't that popular outside of the US. People keep saying this but I've never met a person in real life or european online outside of the SCBW scene that doesn't use twitter. I don't use twitter. online outside of the SCBW scene That was kinda my point, it seems I guess a lot of the people here are of an age where they kinda skipped twitter - most other esports most people get involved with twitter just to share content even. If you beleive that is true, then why use the one of many media which your target group don't use? It's as if blizzard forums or other dedicated forums don't exist. In fact what you say is kind of sketchy anyways. How do you know whether people you meet in real life have twitter or not? Or people online either? Unless you only contact them via twitter in the first place. "Because I'm not on twitter, and the 50 people in TL aren't on twitter, NO ONE IS CLEARLY ON TWITTER." Except most other esports scenes are on twitter. Look at any CS:GO pro, LOL pro, etc... they all have hundreds of thousands of followers. That said, none of this matters really. The foreign scene can stamp their feet like they're some majority either at TL, Defiler, or whatever. We are nothing compared to the numbers of the korean scene. Who said no one is on twitter? And you wrote it all in CAPS. Reading comprehension is not your strong point.
I wrote that I don't use twitter because it only takes one person not using twitter to make his statement that everyone uses twitter untrue.
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On February 14 2019 20:04 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2019 06:55 SchAmToo wrote:On February 14 2019 06:21 jimminy_kriket wrote: I'm not on Twitter. And it doesn't look like many people from the Korean scene saw that poll either considering only 92 people voted. And considering that a decision was made, it appears that this does in fact matter so I don't see what you're getting at schamtoo. My point is, we can argue about where grant should've reached out to for the foreign community, but it doesn't matter that much considering its varying small percentages compared to reaching out to any part of the korean community. I don't like twitter for a poll here either, but it's really not that much of a crazy topic to me to make a bnet post and a TL post thats this long lol. I don't think I've ever seen a post of yours that I didn't 100% disagree with, and every single one here from you has been the same way. How can you even be defending something like this.(are you even defending it, or are you just saying that TL'ers who care about it shouldn't care about it, because you get to decide it, so it seems) What exactly are you trying to say with that korean apologist bullshit? Is this some kind of weird racism I don't understand? You're so new to the scene, yet you already think that only koreans' opinions (and yours) matter. 95% of the population of this website care more about the game than you ever will, you don't belong on the highground you seem to have placed yourself on. Everything about this topic is preposterous, defending it in any way is preposterous. 1. Whether you agree or disagree with Schamtoo, it's a matter of opinion. Why be a dick about it?
2. His stance is that because TL is not the #1 most populous BW community, it doesn't make sense to poll TL more than it does Twitter or a Korean site or somewhere else. NOT that people on TL shouldn't care. Where did you get that?
3. What is he apologizing for if he is a "Korean apologist?" Don't see any apologies or defense for the Korean scene here. In fact, I don't even see any ATTACKS on the Koreans/Korean scene... So I think you're just venting some pent up hate here.
4. Schamtoo is no longer "so new" to the scene. In fact, he has been on TL in general for a LONG time, and had interest in BW since before RM came out. There is nothing "so new" about him. His opinions DO matter because frankly, he has already done more for BW despite being "so new" than you have, so it is in fact YOU who should get off of YOUR baseless high ground. The fact that you accuse him of caring less about the game than "95% of the site" (what % of the site do you think is here only for SC2 and doesn't care about BW, by the way?) is a ludicrous insult considering that over the past few years he has contributed more money and time into tournaments, producing content, etc. than 99.99% of the community, yourself included. What the fuck have YOU ever done for the BW scene that can compare? Enlighten me.
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Most people that are avid gamers have heard of twitter.
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oh here we go. It's my absolute favorite part of the drama when we start arguing about who did more when and how for the BW scene. Lets compare dick sizes, shall we?
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On February 15 2019 05:00 Cele wrote: oh here we go. It's my absolute favorite part of the drama when we start arguing about who did more when and how for the BW scene. Lets compare dick sizes, shall we? Unless I'm wildly mistaken, there is no argument to be had considering that a quick search reveals that abuse has contributed basically nothing of note (no threads started by him, no Liquipedia contributions) and Schamtoo runs, funds, and casts HAY, so the assertion that Schamtoo "doesn't care" about BW is absolutely preposterous, especially coming from abuse. I will admit that I may be mistaken; perhaps he is active on Defiler under a different name or something. If that's the case, I apologize; I am simply operating based on what I see and know. In the context of TL and English-speaking BW community, I like to think I am familiar with the movers and shakers. In short, this was not a conversation of "who did more for BW," it's a conversation of "this person clearly did way more for BW than you did, so don't disrespect them by saying they don't care about BW."
Or am I misunderstanding you, and this was an open challenge for dick measuring? Have you not mentioned ICCup in the last few posts and need to remind everyone of your participation, so this is your outlet?
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lol @ this thread
just why might blizz developers think twice before posting on here?
this thread's a reflection of that reason
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On February 15 2019 05:34 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2019 05:00 Cele wrote: oh here we go. It's my absolute favorite part of the drama when we start arguing about who did more when and how for the BW scene. Lets compare dick sizes, shall we? Unless I'm wildly mistaken, there is no argument to be had considering that a quick search reveals that abuse has contributed basically nothing of note (no threads started by him, no Liquipedia contributions) and Schamtoo runs, funds, and casts HAY, so the assertion that Schamtoo "doesn't care" about BW is absolutely preposterous, especially coming from abuse. I will admit that I may be mistaken; perhaps he is active on Defiler under a different name or something. If that's the case, I apologize; I am simply operating based on what I see and know. In the context of TL and English-speaking BW community, I like to think I am familiar with the movers and shakers. In short, this was not a conversation of "who did more for BW," it's a conversation of "this person clearly did way more for BW than you did, so don't disrespect them by saying they don't care about BW." Or am I misunderstanding you, and this was an open challenge for dick measuring? Have you not mentioned ICCup in the last few posts and need to remind everyone of your participation, so this is your outlet?
nono don't bait me about ICCup. I very much do not enjoy the dick measuring and will not partake in it. I simply stated i strongly dislike this argument, because it is enitirely fruitless.
Second, i share your sentiment, that abuse expressed himself in a provocative and demeaning way and i don't share that.
To discuss: "who contributed more to the game" is enitirely fruitless because
a) it's highly subjective. You, me or many others who can with good reason claim to know the who-is-who of TL content producers, tournament organizers and so on will still come to different conclusions on who "did the most" or is "most deserving". It depends on what appeals to you, who you are friendly with and which contribution you can measure the best, because you know the work that went into it.
b) we are trying to have a conversation that is based on solid arguments, i think? Well, even people who contribute very little can have the right ideas. It's just wrong to shut somebody up, because someone else did more for the game (or because his buddies claim so.)
In conclusion: i argue to have a argument based discussion and leave the dick size comparisons out. And i responded to your post only in that regard. As regards to content, i don't share the views expressed by abuse.
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On February 15 2019 05:45 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2019 05:34 Jealous wrote:On February 15 2019 05:00 Cele wrote: oh here we go. It's my absolute favorite part of the drama when we start arguing about who did more when and how for the BW scene. Lets compare dick sizes, shall we? Unless I'm wildly mistaken, there is no argument to be had considering that a quick search reveals that abuse has contributed basically nothing of note (no threads started by him, no Liquipedia contributions) and Schamtoo runs, funds, and casts HAY, so the assertion that Schamtoo "doesn't care" about BW is absolutely preposterous, especially coming from abuse. I will admit that I may be mistaken; perhaps he is active on Defiler under a different name or something. If that's the case, I apologize; I am simply operating based on what I see and know. In the context of TL and English-speaking BW community, I like to think I am familiar with the movers and shakers. In short, this was not a conversation of "who did more for BW," it's a conversation of "this person clearly did way more for BW than you did, so don't disrespect them by saying they don't care about BW." Or am I misunderstanding you, and this was an open challenge for dick measuring? Have you not mentioned ICCup in the last few posts and need to remind everyone of your participation, so this is your outlet? nono don't bait me about ICCup. I very much do not enjoy the dick measuring and will not partake in it. I simply stated i strongly dislike this argument, because it is enitirely fruitless. Second, i share your sentiment, that abuse expressed himself in a provocative and demeaning way and i don't share that. To discuss: "who contributed more to the game" is enitirely fruitless because a) it's highly subjective. You, me or many others who can with good reason claim to know the who-is-who of TL content producers, tournament organizers and so on will still come to different conclusions on who "did the most" or is "most deserving". It depends on what appeals to you, you you are friendly with and which contribution you can measure the best, because you know the work that went into it. b) we are trying to have a conversation that is based on solid arguments, i think? Well, even people who contribute very little can have the right ideas. It's just wrong to shut somebody up, because someone else did more for the game (or because his buddies claim so.) In conclusion: i argue to have a argument based discussion and leave the dick size comparisons out. And i responded to your post only in that regard. As regards to content, i don't share the views expressed by abuse. a) It's not highly subjective when one person did nothing and the other person did a lot.
b) This conversation is mostly about opinion. Some people believe x, others y, there are no real facts that can determine x or y to be absolutely true and the other absolutely false. Thus, when someone says something along the lines of "your opinion doesn't matter" and qualifies it with "you're new to BW" and "you don't care about BW," I don't see how you could characterize ANY of that as "solid argument," especially considering that none of it is true.
In conclusion: The only reason I "brought up" "who did more for BW" is to point out that abuse's disrespectful approach to Schamtoo is absurd. It only became a blown out of proportion issue when you made it seem like this is what the thread is going to be about. You saw what you wanted to see and ignored the rest - even professing to not agree with abuse or his handling of the issue. Why not just say that instead of stoking the flames?
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a) It's not highly subjective when one person did nothing and the other person did a lot. from my subjective vantage point this is objectively false
Some people believe x, others y, there are no real facts that can determine x or y to be absolutely true and the other absolutely false. now hold on, we gotta ask the larger TL.net community before jumping to conclusions on these here claims
especially considering that none of it is true. a solid argument. have you ever noticed liquid is the opposite of solid??
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