On August 13 2010 04:47 Letmelose wrote:On August 13 2010 00:40 huameng wrote:On August 12 2010 17:37 Letmelose wrote:On August 12 2010 17:30 TwoToneTerran wrote:On August 12 2010 17:29 Letmelose wrote:On August 12 2010 17:16 TwoToneTerran wrote:On August 12 2010 17:08 Letmelose wrote:
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Take Jaedong away, and the entire statistics will be changed for his race than any other player out there in the modern era. That was the point I was trying to make. Don't pretend otherwise, terrans have always been the dominating race in Starcraft ever since the 1.08 patch, and is least affected even if you take away the player of the highest score within the race. Jaedong just happens to be awesome enough to keep the zerg race even statistically.
Keep in mind that OSL has an Ro36 format instead of the Ro32 format of the MSL when you make the statistic.
holy crap you are a broken record. You just stated that Bisu had the same impact in the overall scheme of things with my little rating system. Why are you saying I'm pretending Jaedong isn't great? You keep shoving words down my throat in defense of Jaedong, I've never said anything bad about Jaedong. You are really mad at something and it shouldn't be me, so I suggest you leave me be.
The statistic will scale fine, by the way. I start with the group stages which are the tournament proper. OSL pre Ro16 is a big changing mess each season anyway, especially with the match fixing scandal and ACE recruitment and blaaaah.
Why can't you deal with your own stastics being thrown at your face? Zergs have not been dominating the post-Savior era, and if it appears to be so, it's the power of Jaedong. What part of the total number of points being relied upon one player more so than any other race don't you get?
Haha you're gonna fucking love the OSL stats
Haven't seen it, but I guess Jaedong's great success in it, coupled with the lack of success from protoss have made your argument that zergs have wiped the floor with everybody in recent years more convincing?
It's not just the individual leagues I'm talking about here. Check the Proleague stastics, check out the number of terran players overall, be it top ranked Kespa players, or simply in the Proleague rosters. Wipe that. Just take all the televised games in recent years and see which race has won the most. I haven't checked any of these, but I'm pretty sure most of it will have terran in front of the other two races.
Haha why do you even post? All of your posts just say "terran is imba but because of JAEDONG MY HERO zerg looks okay. I refuse to back this up in any way but STOP DENYING IT!" Do you think this is a normal way to try to prove a point?
I think sc2 whining has bled into bw -_-
Time to back my theory up.
1) Since the start of the 2007 season (not the year 2007), YGOSU records the following:
TvT 1883 matches
ZvZ 1777 matches
PvP 1320 matches
TvZ 2632 : 2311 in terran’s favour
ZvP 2325 : 1915 in zerg’s favour
PvT 2313 : 2094 in protoss’s favour
Terran is 4726 : 4405 overall against other races
Zerg is 4636 : 4547 overall against other races
Protoss is 4228 : 4419 overall against other races
Terran’s have won the most, and lost the least in non-mirror match-ups. Terran versus terran also happens to be the most played mirror in the game.
2) This is how the record is changed if we count Kespa officiated matches only:
TvT 1038 matches
ZvZ 782 matches
PvP 633 matches
TvZ 892 : 753 in terran’s favour
ZvP 694 : 617 in zerg’s favour
PvT 802 : 737 in protoss’s favour
Terran is 1629 : 1555 overall against other races
Zerg is 1447 : 1509 overall against other races
Protoss is 1419 : 1431 overall against other races
Terran is the only race that happens to have a positive overall record in non-mirror match-ups. Terran versus terran remains the most played mirror in the game.
3) This is how the record is changed if we count Proleague matches only:
TvT 742 matches
ZvZ 601 matches
PvP 490 matches
TvZ 486 : 399 in terran’s favour
ZvP 424 : 375 in zerg’s favour
PvT 462 : 429 in protoss’s favour
Terran is 915 : 828 overall against other races
Zerg is 823 : 861 overall against other races
Protoss is 837 : 853 overall against other races
Terran has again won the most, and lost the least in non-mirror match-ups. Terran versus terran remains the most played mirror.
4) This is how the record is changed if we count individual league matches only:
TvT 208 matches
ZvZ 136 matches
PvP 129 matches
TvZ 250 : 249 in zerg’s favour
ZvP 185 : 148 in zerg’s favour
PvT 244 : 214 in protoss’s favour
Terran is 463 : 494 overall against other races
Zerg is 435 : 397 overall against other races
Protoss is 392 : 399 overall against other races
Zerg is the only race that happens to have a positive overall record in non-mirror match-ups. Terran versus terran remains the most played mirror.
Zerg is the only race that happens to have a positive record in both their match-ups. I guess this is where the consensus that zergs have dominated the other races in recent years stems from.
Considering how much individual league statistics are influenced due to the nature of brackets, the relatively small amount of gaming pool and greater number of games played at higher stages (Bo3, Bo5), it’s not a far fetched thing to say that the might of a few players do change the overall appearance of things in my opinion. I’m just claiming the obvious here, nothing against the common consensus of any well reasoned follower of the progaming scene. How my opinion that terrans are still the most dominating race in the progaming scene, and that the results of individual leagues are swayed greatly by the most successful gamer of our era is somehow so far stretched that it borders on insane ramblings of a blind fanboy is beyond me.
B) We're talking 2.48-4.83% imbalance in matchups, is this so insurmountable as to complain this much?
C) Using this rough combined metric (seems plausible to me) things are god damn balanced, but if you want to split hairs Z has it better than T by some insignificant margin.
Do take from this: Nobody is imba, Toss needs a little love, STFU with Terran imba garbage
Edit: This is the kespa+nonkespa data. I'm at work so I cant run the other numbers now.