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HonestTea
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Results + Show Spoiler + GGPlay < Fantasy II > Bisu Hwasin < Persona > Light Stork < Katrina > NaDa sAviOr < Blue Storm > FrOzean
OSL baby!
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Attention: As a general rule, do not clutter report threads or tourney threads with requests on how to watch live or technical support problems regarding streams.
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Maestro & NaDa Fighting ! :-)
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how to watch OGN? sc2 sont work :/
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Predictions:
GGPlay < Bisu Hwasin > Light Stork > NaDa sAviOr > FrOzean
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
Yeah predictions pretty straighforward today.
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United States7166 Posts
ah i should go to sleep since i have to wake up early but i wanna watch this so bad..been waiting so long
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Is this gonna be on Daum Pot Player? I can't find the stream.
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hey, what's the link for yaoyuan live? or any other options to watch OSL? im in taiwan now and i cannot watch sc2.org T_T;; i just CANNOT miss OSL!
edit: im sorry, last time >.<;;
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I would love for light to take out Hwasin, but it won't happen. TvT may be Hwasin's weakest MU but that doesn't say a whole lot given his form atm. Bisu should beat GGplay fairly easily (I never saw Chalrenge or Backho vs ggplay, but he wasn't brilliant vs rA), Stork vs Nada is one I'd never want to bet on lest NaDa return to the TvP form of yore, and Savior should rend Frozean apart.
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On September 28 2007 17:54 ram wrote: hey, what's the link for yaoyuan live? or any other options to watch OSL? im in taiwan now and i cannot watch sc2.org T_T;; i just CANNOT miss OSL!
tvants://203.169.145.76/tvants/?k=b49beec2e9af1211adf90a868961b990
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
I love Light so much, but his TvT is just atrocious, even on a good day.
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Bisu, hwasin, stork and savior
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I voted same as you. I want NaDa to win though along with Bisu and Savior and Hwasin/Light I don't really care who advances.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On September 28 2007 18:05 HonestTea wrote: I love Light so much, but his TvT is just atrocious, even on a good day.
I know
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I disagree, sometimes he plays some pretty decent TvT and he has some wins to back that up.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
Well he did have those ODT games, and his performance in the last few weeks of ProLeague wasn't too bad either.
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Can someone please tell me how I can watch this live? I am desperate!! This matches look so good... BISU FIGHTING!
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On September 28 2007 18:25 THE_LAST_ENEMY wrote: Can someone please tell me how I can watch this live? I am desperate!! This matches look so good... BISU FIGHTING!
http://www.yaoyuan.com/live.php
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I haven't seen might of Light's recent TvT, but he's going to need to pull something damned impressive this time around to stop Hwasin in that Mu.
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hmm im suprised but this time i like the msl intro more ^^
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51135 Posts
OSL champ vs MSL champ wootlarz
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OSL's new style looking better than expected!
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If you open daum you will find it immediately.
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thedeadhaji
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any more "how do i watch?" posts and the hammer comes down. X___X
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51135 Posts
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It would be so awesome if GGplay won. I doubt it though.
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51135 Posts
Watch GGPlay get flogged and become another Starleague Cursed.
And then become a fellow crappy OSL winning player, just like Sync, Casy and co.
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Braavos36362 Posts
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On September 28 2007 18:43 thedeadhaji wrote: any more "how do i watch?" posts and the hammer comes down. X___X
whats the problem with people asking here, where most of the people already are watching, know how to help and some of them even have the will to do so, its not like someone is forcing you to answer or whatever..
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Russian Federation987 Posts
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I voted the upset in the first game only
GGPlay Hwasin Stork Savior
GL GG.
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On September 28 2007 18:46 GTR-2-Go wrote: Watch GGPlay get flogged and become another Starleague Cursed.
And then become a fellow crappy OSL winning player, just like Sync, Casy and co.
He can take solace in the fact he's achieved more than Iris in the aftermath, I suppose? :p.
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any screenshots/clips of fantasy II yet? i imagine they're going to get rid of the RoV side of the map
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51135 Posts
Can anyone tell us how they measured distance?
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Woho, the Red Jumpsuit Apparatus
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On September 28 2007 18:47 M2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2007 18:43 thedeadhaji wrote: any more "how do i watch?" posts and the hammer comes down. X___X whats the problem with people asking here, where most of the people already are watching, know how to help and some of them even have the will to do so, its not like someone is forcing you to answer or whatever..
agreed.
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
WOW with the bottom right resource window.
Apparantly it's a patented thing by WCG people? Not clear.
But it looks great.
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love timer, minerals, and gas! wow! what does the lower part say?
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51135 Posts
Huh HT? They used it in the OSC for a while and WAYYYYYYYYYYYY back in SKY 2001 days.
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Russian Federation987 Posts
On September 28 2007 18:49 GTR-2-Go wrote: Can anyone tell us how they measured distance? Maybe s=v*t
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The old version of this map favored zerg, but losing that drone was very bad for GGplay.
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51135 Posts
Oh wait, never mind HT, I see now, ICM material.
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Nice probe harass! Foreigner spotted in the crowd!
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On September 28 2007 18:47 M2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2007 18:43 thedeadhaji wrote: any more "how do i watch?" posts and the hammer comes down. X___X whats the problem with people asking here, where most of the people already are watching, know how to help and some of them even have the will to do so, its not like someone is forcing you to answer or whatever..
I believe it's because people ask after it's already been answered. Notice the guy's 1st post was doing just that. It's one thing to say, "TVAnts doesn't work, is that the only option?" It's another to ask "How do I watch" when there's already 2 ways listed in the thread.
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51135 Posts
That foreigner reminded me of a washed up Assem :O
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
AND IT CAN COUNT AND SORT UNITS!!!
Really useful to know that GGPlay has 20 drones, 3 lords, and 2 lings.
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Wow, thats cool. How do they keep track of unit counts?
Zealot got killed and immediately it was adjusted.
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awesome all the unit stats ^^
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WOW! live unit count! holy shit!
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Really clever bit of tool
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Russian Federation987 Posts
No reports for this game guys?
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
BTW lower part in ICM display is supply
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unit counters! This is awesome!
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Wow, that's fuckin' awesome.
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51135 Posts
Hope they use this stuff during WCG!
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Can barely read the numbers on my stream though.
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HonestTea
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On September 28 2007 18:58 GTR-2-Go wrote: Hope they use this stuff during WCG!
Commentators say they will.
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PvZ these days, all openings are sair/reaver then going mass ground.
works though!
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51135 Posts
On September 28 2007 18:59 HonestTea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2007 18:58 GTR-2-Go wrote: Hope they use this stuff during WCG! Commentators say they will.
Yeh, thought so, since ICM runs WCG. When I think about it though, didn't games like Counter-Strike and Warcraft 3 had this sort of system way earlier back? Such a shame that Starcraft got this sexeh technology so late.
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Haha, reaver/DT drop, nice.
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Did he lose the shuttle? It seems like? Game lagged up and skipped just before the hydras started hitting the shuttle.
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Bisu is eating this guy here.
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Bisu toying with GGPlay xD
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Wow that didnt do nearly as much damage as I thought it would.
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51135 Posts
Awesome multitasking management by Bisu there.
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I wonder why they took that little counter away?
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4 base toss vs 4 base zerg
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On September 28 2007 19:04 IrishJDG wrote: I wonder why they took that little counter away?
Broken maybe
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This is greatly pleasing my inner Bisu fanboy.
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On September 28 2007 19:04 Elsi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2007 19:04 IrishJDG wrote: I wonder why they took that little counter away? Broken maybe
Haha, broken beta software FTW.
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nice one bisu
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Very nice from Bisu, very very sexy ;P
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Wow, he makes that look soo easy haha.
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Really nice play from Bisu. GGplay looks disappointed.
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Russian Federation987 Posts
On September 28 2007 19:06 Elsi wrote: Very nice from Bisu, very very sexy ;P What was that sexy?
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51135 Posts
haha ggplay looks dumbfounded
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What an OWNAGE... ggplay u wont even pass the group !
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damn that was so dominating by Bisu. GGplay couldnt do anything.
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HonestTea
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Ok Bisu has that aura on him now.
The one that Savior had last year. He wins a big match and it's just another day, no drama, no nothing.
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GGplay's weakest matchup is ZvP, isn't it? Goddamn he looks disappointed, his OSL win started with a ZvP win over a favoured opponent, mustn't feel good for him.
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Is this next game on that map with the dark swarms?
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51135 Posts
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Bisu is just soooo gooooooooooooooooooood
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China3334 Posts
so great! Bisu kicking out the first match of new OSL. totally owned
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Braavos36362 Posts
god bisu is just ridiculous
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GGPlay...he's not that good actually imo. I don't know...i just hate Bisu for no good reason. However, i hate GGplay even more atm. Now Hwasin, make my dad and crush Light!
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ROFL @ THAT COMMERCIAL
"This is Sparta!"
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51135 Posts
GGPlay doesn't seem to be in shape (according to his kickass 248 APM).
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Valhalla18444 Posts
that was fucking ridiculous
I always say that Bisu\'s major strength is that he\'s just mechanically so far ahead of every other protoss, and I still get blown away when I see games like that one. How the fuck did he do all of that at once?
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We definitely need the FPVOD from that game.
When they still showed the resources those of GGplay went up to 800 when he was trying to take out the corsairs with scourge. Bisu's minerals stayed pretty low the whole time.
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Just realise how similiar are GGPlay and Light
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Ya Bisu has the best multitasking of any pro right now. That's why savior has such a hard time with him. Savior is used to gaining an advantage with superior multitasking.
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Russian Federation987 Posts
Pls someone describe the game shortly. I'm great Bisu fan and can watch neither stream nor VODs.
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I predict Hwasin losing because he had to train for MSL yesterday. I'm quite sure Light will come up with some sneaky strat with all those dark swarms.
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Belgium9937 Posts
Hwasin Teal at 12 Light Purple at 3
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51135 Posts
Guy sounds like he's saying Panasonic EVER
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Belgium9937 Posts
Standard 11gas-rax play for both of them at the moment, no cheesing surprises on this map for now.
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HonestTea
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Hmm, the ICM system (which the commentators are calling GAB system) also counts buildings.
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Belgium9937 Posts
hwasin pressuring with 2 rines vs Light's 1 rine Both are adding a second factory
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Belgium9937 Posts
haha light is keeping an scv in the choke swarm to see what hwasin is sending
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Belgium9937 Posts
vulture battle at Light's main choke, some exchanges.. Hwasin uses the swarm to prevent losing vs Lights higher vulture numbers
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This map looks annoying to play on.
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wow, first time seeing the new map, looks like much more strategic options now.
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Well this map makes for slightly different tactics at least...
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Belgium9937 Posts
Hwasin expoing haha Light building a depot in his small choke to prevent him from maynarding and reinforcing his small contain in the swarm. Light expoing too, has tanks with siege now and is shooting at the swarm vults, who have laid mines in the swarm
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I don't think I like this map.. at all.
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The move with the supply depot was kinda pimp imo-
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United States7166 Posts
god i love this map already
haha theyre building depots nearby choke so enemy cant land rax to block
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51135 Posts
Is mass vultures the way TvT's try to protest against gay maps?
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Dual gol drops by teal (who is teal?)
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Belgium9937 Posts
hwasin has a lot of vults and mines planted, and has gols out now. light mining corner expand at 1, and expanding at 5 Hwasin has starport, probably gonna do some goldrops soon hwasin goldrops light\'s main and kills quite a few scvs, and escapes with his ship, because light has no antiair now he redrops main while going to his natural with his original ship, killing lots of scvs
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dual dropship sexyness. Light is under pressure.
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Someone needs to photoshop mass vutlures as a symbol of protest now.
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guys what are these swarms in the map ?
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Belgium9937 Posts
Hwasin has HUGE vult numbers. laying some more mines in swarms in front of his base a quick look at hwasin's base shows that he has few tanks but a lot of gols and that hes ready to mass drop hwasins tanks get damaged by lights mines hwasin drops lights main with support from lower ground. seems to do alot of damage Light trying to counter
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Another nice drop by Hwasin, with units on the lower ground behind the drop.
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Belgium9937 Posts
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Yet another drop by Hwasin, three dropships. Killing a lot of SCVs
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HonestTea
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Hwasin dropping goliaths on tank line for splash
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Belgium9937 Posts
hwasin REDROPPING light light using tanks and scvs to fend it off hwasin damaging the tankcontain by golbombing them not much pressure on the expos so far
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Hwasin looks like he's getting ready to move out.
Does another drop in Light's main with support on low ground.
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Belgium9937 Posts
Hwasin reusing his lowerground support- maindrop technique reminds me of 6 vs 9 LT looks like light is gonna try and clear it from lower ground.
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Units in Light's main get taken care of, three tanks still on lower ground
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Light moving down to 6:00 to kill a vulture that killed his SCV building a CC
edit: Light actually
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Light loses a tank to mine in middle Hwasin loading up 5 dropships Battle in middle kills off all of Light's units
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Belgium9937 Posts
its really hard to follow on the minimap which expo's are whose, due to the really bad stream quality it seems that light has the 2 expos below his base and hwasin all the upper expos
Hwasin dropping Lights lowest expo Light defending with some tanks
Light has 4 dropships himself now too Hwasin has 5. both are moving out. clash in the middle big drop on lights tanks while advancing with goltank, clearing lights army. not looking good for light here
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Light with a drop at 1:00, Hwasin comes in to defend with dropships
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Belgium9937 Posts
Liught dropping Hwasins upper right expo
Hwasin immeadiately responds by dropping it with his own ships, far greater in number
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Six dropships for Hwasin moving to 5:00 base
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Light defends with his own dropships, Light floating two command centers at 6:00
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Belgium9937 Posts
hwasin moving down with his ships for an exporaid it seems light coming with his own to defend, drops sooner for an advantage that made him win the battle, along with some ground reinforcements
hwasin macroing heavily in the meanwhile, and refilling all his ships immeadiately
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Another drop at 1:00 by Light, Hwasin countering with his tanks at low ground outside main
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Belgium9937 Posts
Seems like light is coming back in the game, this time with another drop on the upper right expo, more succesful. Hwasin counterdrops lights main with lowground support, but looks like light can handle it
Hwasin redrops the main, killing quite a few factories and depots
Light DROPPING hwasins nat Hwasin reinforcing with ships instantly
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Light forced to lift CC from drop in main
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More units dropped by Hwasin at the base near 6:00, Light defends with his own dropships again
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Belgium9937 Posts
Light's Main CC killed, but all hwasins units are dead Light has like 6 ships now, hwasin dropping lights expo at 6 now, killing a lot of scvs, and what seems to be a 2nd production facilty with facts Light killed all HwaSins forces at the 6 expo, but all scvs are dead.
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Who's in the lead right now? I can't tell ><
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Haha that move with the goli under the swarm from Hwasin was cute.
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Belgium9937 Posts
Hwasin moving down with tanks and ships Light has many tanks on low ground, both setting up around a no mans land Hwasin reloading dropships, seems to go for the expands. Hwasin redropping the expand at 6 with alot of vults Light loses quite a few ships, only has 3 left now, but defends the expo Hwasin taking all the expos at the left side Light definately needs to pressure that Realizing that, hwasin moves his troops left to defend those expos
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I'd say noone has a clear advantage atm.. Could end both ways.
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Light going for a drop at 10:00 base killing all the SCVs, Hwasin coming in with tanks to defend
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Id say light has a pretty significant advantage
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Belgium9937 Posts
light killed hwasins expo at 7 with a small drop dont know what hes up to to stop those expos Light has MANY dropships now, looks like hes gonna try to either break those tanks set(no gols) up or go for the expand
GOING FOR THE EXPO wityh ALOT of forces hwasin comes with his ground troops and clears it with some scv and tank losses
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51135 Posts
I'm so frustrated that Hwasin wasn't able to take advantage early on and just let Light take the economic advantage later on (with more bases) in a flash.
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Belgium9937 Posts
Light taking the expo at 7 that he killed earlier, with some turrets and tanks
hes also moving more tanks left map split in half now Hwasin has upper and left side Light has right and lower side some exchange drops on eachothers tank lines
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Belgium9937 Posts
hwasin has 5 ships filled, light has a positional advantage and is building turrets everywhere to try to prevent Hwasin from dropping anywhere he does not want to break away from that position
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Damnit, I find TvT on this map hard to follow. Still, Light's having one of those 'pretty decent' days now Hwasin let him take the lead.
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Is daum pot player supposed to buffer often, this is my first time using it so i don't know .
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This is THE anti-terran map. Terrans cant even win against other terrans. This map is enforcing stalemates.
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This is game is quite close.
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Battlecruisers at last! Let's hope he gets to live long enough.
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Belgium9937 Posts
Light tried to advance on Hwasins main but Hwasin clears the tankline with ships and tanks he lost a lot of ships though, and light still has many
Hwasin has quite a few starports with addon, going for bcs MASS DROP BY LIGHT ON HWASINS LEFT EXPO WHILE MOVING INTO HIS MAIN Drop gets cleared by good defense, the move into his main gets stopped so he loads his forces into ships
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He probably wont. Light is quite ahead. Hwasin wont come back.
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51135 Posts
On September 28 2007 19:56 Camlito wrote:Is daum pot player supposed to buffer often, this is my first time using it so i don't know .
It runs on a 1.5mbps stream, so ADSL2'ers and Cable folk will probably be the only ones able to see it in Australia.
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On September 28 2007 19:57 Elsi wrote: This is game is quite close. Not really....
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Belgium9937 Posts
ANOTHER MASS DROP ON HWASINS EXPO HWASIN REINFORCING WITH SHIPS AND GROUND FORCES AND CLEARS IT
Light saw HwaSins starports, however and is preparing for BCs now, with mass wraith. First bcs out, however another massdrop on hwasins left expo, but it fails horribly
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Lol wow light is trying to prove me wrong by throwing away masses of units
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51135 Posts
I hope this doesn't turn into another oov vs up.
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Belgium9937 Posts
Hwasin dropping Lights heavily guarded expo at 7 while distracting turret fire with BCS he kills it easily, light behind in expos now
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On September 28 2007 19:59 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Lol wow light is trying to prove me wrong by throwing away masses of units Only fair after Hwasin managed to lose just about every fight early on.
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Belgium9937 Posts
Lght dropping Hwasins main for some depotkills Hwasin looks ahead now, in ship numbers, tank numbers, and he still has bcs Hwasin doesnt have many gols though, so if Light can suprise him with wraiths
16ish wraiths moving into middle
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Still hwasin is so fucked...
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Belgium9937 Posts
16ish wraiths killing ALL dropships and tanks at the 7expo, light retaking it, Oh but hwasin has a gol in the swarm, so wraiths cant kill it Tanks killing the gol now
Hwasin moving with tanks into the middle of the map
looks like 7ish bcs for Hwasin, coming to support the tanks 8starport wraith for light Many gols for hwasin fend off the wraiths
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lots of wraiths. Hwasin on a suicide mission. stupid attack!
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Belgium9937 Posts
wraiths killed all of the bcs, with alot of losses due to gols
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I'm not sure that picking that fight was really the best thing Hwasin could have done...
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ok, that's it i think...that's too much advantage for light now
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51135 Posts
Hwasin was really careless that attack.
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Wow whered that army come from?
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Belgium9937 Posts
hwasin reinforcing with ALOT of gols, but few tanks. he is also taking his minonly now 6 bcs out for hwasin light has 8ish wraiths
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if hwasin pulls this off he has my respect.
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Belgium9937 Posts
Light still has some dropships and seems to be up to something, a big tankdrop supported by wraiths? light picking off various tanks with wraiths a quick scan of hwasins expo shows many turrets
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Belgium9937 Posts
lots of wraiths killing the science facility and physics lab hwasin scares the wraiths away with gols
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This reminds me of that one game where Oov just rolled over the other guy's goliath turret vaulks with pure wraiths.
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ok, slowly it gets pretty boring... ^^
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I wonder how this map would be without swarms.
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Belgium9937 Posts
wraiths picking off some tanks, scvs attacking tanks in swarm for some tank losses and i guess to make some supply room for more tanks or wraiths
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51135 Posts
SCV sacrifice for more supply.
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This can take a while.. :D I don't care who wins.. Light and HwaSin are both great players!
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I don't think HwaSin will go offence, he has 1 more expansion. Light will make the first step!
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Belgium9937 Posts
valks out for hwasin graded valks that is
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light is using wraiths very well.
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I haven't seen Valks since OOv got rolled against Yellow[arnc] with em. Interesting.
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Belgium9937 Posts
expos are drying out hwasin has a huge bc valk gol force i think hwasin wants to yamato his way through the map
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Both players maxing up.. Looks like Light will take the initiative.
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Belgium9937 Posts
a quick look at hwasins starports shows that hes producing some more bcs with the supply he just lost
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are they trying to scan each other to death?
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51135 Posts
I find it really funny that most tied games are mirror matches.
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Belgium9937 Posts
light attacks hwasins left expo with wraiths only to notice it has dried out already. both players being really careful, scanning eachothers every move the game has come to a point where micro is again allt hat matters hwasin yamatos a tank light immeadiately kills the bcs with wraiths
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This final battle should really be something.
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Wow... 55 Minutes TvT until now :D
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hwasin should just type out.
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Belgium9937 Posts
i mean BC Lone Bc
llight picking off 2 more bcs that wanted to yamato light was attacking the left expo with some wraiths so hwasin though he could safely yamato but it was a slick move by light light has like 4 keys of wraiths, hwasin needs more valks light ferrying gols on to the expo, and advancing upwards to kill all those turrets there HWASIN MOVING WITH HIS MAIN FORCE DOWNWARDS oh hes not attacking Light's gols killing the comsat and starports, looks like hwasin is reatreating to kill em
but light has his wraiths ready to move in
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51135 Posts
cmon we need an icm unit count!
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Belgium9937 Posts
light evacuates the gols with ships, realising hwasins force was coming now killing the turrets that are now without support with some tanks hwasin moving back to that minonly light wants to kill
a quick look at lights Starports shows that he is sitll producing wraiths
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HERES YOUR CHANCE HWASIN TAKE IT!
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Belgium9937 Posts
BIG CLASH BIG CLASH GOLS BCS VS WRAITHS
ALOT OF WRAITHS DIE
LOOKS LIKE HWASIN IS WINNING THIS ONE LIGHT AWAITS WRAITH AND TANK REINFORCEMENTS
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Belgium9937 Posts
LIGHT MOVING IN WITH TOO LITTLE WRAITHS AND RETREATING AGAIN
hwasin repairing his bcs looking really good for hwasin, he still has a lot of bcs and is reinforcing with gols light reproducing wraiths from around 4 starports, showing he doesnt have much minerals left
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I thought the game was over. T_T
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How long has it been going? anyone know?
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light lost a shitload of wraiths in 2 seconds!
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Belgium9937 Posts
light killing off the starports that were reproducing bcs MASS YAMATO BUT WRAITHS ARE KILLING THE SUPPORTLESS BCS 4 BCS LEFT I THINK Light still has high wraith numbers
really dumb of Hwasin to go after those wraiths without golsupport
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It's not like he get's much practice with BC's.
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Belgium9937 Posts
hwasin has no starports left now
HWASIN MOVING THROUGH MIDDLE WITH TANKGOLBCS LIGHT RETREATING TANKS WAITING FOR WRAITHS TO RETURN
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Both players made some hurting mistakes there. One hell of a journey, this TvT.
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51135 Posts
where the hell is light getting cash from?
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Belgium9937 Posts
Light definately needs more tanks Hwasin doesnt have much bcs left and no means to reproduce them, but hwasin has a shitload of gols
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Belgium9937 Posts
looks like light is surviving on mineral reserves still producing wraiths, while he needs more tanks
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suffeli
Finland772 Posts
Light is an idiot and still building wraiths. I'm gonna laugh if he manages to lose this.
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Belgium9937 Posts
Light sneaking some tanks through the left to be able to attack Hwasins left minonly light picking of hwasins scvs with wraiths at the min only hwasin running behind the wraiths with gols and fearless battlecruisers
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seems lights mineral reserves are finaly out
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light is a smarter player, he did just 1 mistake when he stacked the wraiths vs valkyries.
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Belgium9937 Posts
light drops tank on the high ground to cliff the min only with wraith support
really smart move
he picks of the ebay and a battlecruiser
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what's the timer at? i cant read it
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On September 28 2007 20:24 Nintu wrote: How long has it been going? anyone know?
59 Minutes now.
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Belgium9937 Posts
light not producing anything anymore, probably no minerals left he is however trying to take over the only minerals left on the map wraiths picking off some buildings gols coming to save em poor control from light makes him lose 3 wraiths
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Is this game 2??? I just woke up and expected it to be further done.
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light has displayed better positional play, better understanding of important strategical positions, he made good blitzkrieg attacks and in the micro duels, he showed he can anticipate his opponent more than vice versa.
i still like hwasin better, coz light looks like a granny.
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Belgium9937 Posts
light making hwasin use his scans, but losing wraiths in the process hwasin floating some factorys over there light repositioning his clifftanks to attack some gols
yamato on a tank wraiths almost kill the bc
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yeh there both mined out, so its a who makes the big move battle.
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suffeli
Finland772 Posts
Hwasin is clearly playing for a stalemate.
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Belgium9937 Posts
yamato on some wraiths if hwasin can keep on yamatoing and thus picking off units he'll win this eventually both are using a scouting building/unit to check the no mans land for any activity hwasin floating over more facts one starport of hwasin is still building something more yamatopickoffs on wraiths light stilltrying to take that min only
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I hope Blizzard does not make tanks as strong in Starcraft 2. It is too effecient to defend in TvT, which leads to too little action.
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booooooooring!!!!!
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Belgium9937 Posts
light losing a lot of wraiths trying to pick off bcs
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How can you say its boring? This is exiting like hell, who will come out on top. You just don't understand how cruel the situation is for both. 1 mistake and it could lead to their lose.
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yea, its officially boring now.
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Belgium9937 Posts
commentators see some small chunks of mins left that can help light repair his tanks hwasin also has some small chunks not in use
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Light is scavanging last patches of 100 mineral or so left on various locations around map
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Belgium9937 Posts
light noticed his small chunk left at the lower expo and hes trying to mine from the minonly in no mans land
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it is undecided, but it takes too long for the mistake to happen. I dont have time, wanna see other games !
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I think it's kind of funny watching the crowd get all excited when they see mineral patches with 100-200 minerals, and then light goes and loses a wraith or two...
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sounds dull and boring as fuck
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Belgium9937 Posts
hwasin also notices his last patches left, with some hundredish minerals, critical minerals though, because htey can repair his bcs
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Light is winning fight for minerals!!
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Belgium9937 Posts
light picks off 2 more tanks with smart play hwasin has 0 left now haha
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WOW, Light manages to clear the tanks blocking the last mineral only and lands his CC
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Light is my new terran idol !
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suffeli
Finland772 Posts
Ahaha... Hwasin is screwed he can't shoot tanks under swarm.
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Fucking brilliant move by Light.
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Belgium9937 Posts
light succesfully secured the min only, moving towards hwasins gol-bc
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Hwasin has little options left, light is mining last minerals and soon will be able to rebuild his forces!
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I dont know about you guys, but that CC landing was so symolic for me. As if the queen in chess made a checkmate.
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Belgium9937 Posts
light moving forward agressively now hwasin know he has to make his move soon, because hwasin secured the last minerals
he picks off some wraiths with yamato
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On September 28 2007 20:45 niteReloaded wrote: I dont know about you guys, but that CC landing was so symolic for me. As if the queen in chess made a checkmate.
Yeah, that move was absolutely critical.
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
LIIIIIIIIIIGHT!!!! Wahoo~
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Belgium9937 Posts
light killing scanners all over the map
GG
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hm i dont understand hwasins waiting. the more he waits the more behind he is, am i not right?
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Haha! Well deserved victory for Light.
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GG from hwasin
Great play from light
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That was a very nice game. Fantastic play by Light towards the end.
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holy shit that game was tight!
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is this one game only, as in Hwasin is eliminated?
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Hwasin is sweaty as hell!
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On September 28 2007 20:48 Storchen wrote: is this one game only, as in Hwasin is eliminated?
Best of 3 ;o but only 1 game today.
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51135 Posts
Did anyone see the boxes of Shin Ramen?
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finally...hopefully future TvT's on this map (there will be a lot) won't play out like this one O_o
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suffeli
Finland772 Posts
That booth seat must be soaked with Hwasins butt sweat.
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wow, Nada vs Stork next too.
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mother fucking light, i fucking hate you!
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Hwasin will be back, no worries. Mother fucking light. I hate you
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On September 28 2007 20:50 suffeli wrote: That booth seat must be soaked with Hwasins butt sweat.
no, he was wearing liquid absorbing pants
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pages 3 - 15 is all one game....that's nuts
and holy hell what a game it was
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TvT can sure get ugly sometimes.
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I am so angry right now guys. What shoudl I do. I feel like shit.
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Guys this was the best play in TVT I have ever seen ! Great Light !
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Melbourne5338 Posts
On September 28 2007 20:49 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2007 20:48 Storchen wrote: is this one game only, as in Hwasin is eliminated? Best of 3 ;o but only 1 game today.
isn't it a bo1 group stage? (hwasin still has games against july and iris)
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Hwasin now needs to defeat both Iris and July, to have good hope of advancing!
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On September 28 2007 20:51 SickTighT wrote: pages 3 - 15 is all one game....that's nuts
and holy hell what a game it was
6-15 oO
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That was great! Fell asleep and woke up to bc/tank/gul vs wraith/tank turtle : D
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Well done Light, you pulled the upset.
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That cabal game looks like WoW. Pretty close to the same graphics. :o
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On September 28 2007 20:53 pachi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2007 20:49 G.s)NarutO wrote:On September 28 2007 20:48 Storchen wrote: is this one game only, as in Hwasin is eliminated? Best of 3 ;o but only 1 game today. isn't it a bo1 group stage? (hwasin still has games against july and iris)
Yup
Don't always listen to G.s)NarutO...
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On September 28 2007 20:50 suffeli wrote: That booth seat must be soaked with Hwasins butt sweat.
thank you for sharing your thoughts
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am i the only one who is bored to death right now?
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Current Voting Streak: 11 Correct votes in a row 31 of 40 points voted on
I'd be ok if it werent for this: Points Missed 32
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Tornado on Katrina, how could he lose? This map is made for him!
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On September 28 2007 20:56 Beamo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2007 20:53 pachi wrote:On September 28 2007 20:49 G.s)NarutO wrote:On September 28 2007 20:48 Storchen wrote: is this one game only, as in Hwasin is eliminated? Best of 3 ;o but only 1 game today. isn't it a bo1 group stage? (hwasin still has games against july and iris) Yup Don't always listen to G.s)NarutO...
--hm? Sorry my bad then. No need to get cocky.
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gogo stork protoss power!
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Belgium9937 Posts
Anyone else feel like livereporting?
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NaDa looks so confident! GO TORNADO :D :D :D :D!!
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
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Wow... Nada is the oldest Terran in this OSL. How times have changed.
You go Kid genius.
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What are those girls doing there?
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Did NaDa just pray or what?^^ I want him to win sooooo bad
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Nada and Stork show us great game
Nada gogo
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NaDa - Orange 11 Stork - White 2
katrina
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On September 28 2007 21:08 Camlito wrote: NaDa - Orange 11 Stork - White 2
katrina
Please don't live report when you are super far ahead... for me the game is not even started yet T_T
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stork going a fast expand?
Nvm im stupid, its katrina theres back expo.
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Starts now~~ LEE YUN YEOL!!! FIGHTING
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wow this katrina map is weird
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sorry naruto, i never even live reported, ill just update occasionally ;D.
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Both players expoing in the hidden place. Nada succesfully walls in his main.
Stork wit hfast citadel, dark templars?
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On September 28 2007 21:09 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2007 21:08 Camlito wrote: NaDa - Orange 11 Stork - White 2
katrina Please don't live report when you are super far ahead... for me the game is not even started yet T_T
WTF? just be silent already, why should live reports cater to your every whim?
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what is he doing? uber fast dt ?:p
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On September 28 2007 21:11 Camlito wrote: sorry naruto, i never even live reported, ill just update occasionally ;D.
don't listen to him
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Nada scouts the citadel.
Stork warping in archives.
Nada places a bunker above his ramp.
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nada with 2 factories and vultures out.
researching mines i guess, placing a turret by his bunker, he's prepared for the dt who slowly approaches nadas base.
Nada sends 6 vultures andput some mines down at storks wall. '
Storks dt didnt cause any problem at all.
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On September 28 2007 21:12 Aepplet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2007 21:09 G.s)NarutO wrote:On September 28 2007 21:08 Camlito wrote: NaDa - Orange 11 Stork - White 2
katrina Please don't live report when you are super far ahead... for me the game is not even started yet T_T WTF? just be silent already, why should live reports cater to your every whim?
Are you that dumb? Most of the viewers watch via Sc2 or yaoyuan. You want to know what happens before you see it? -_-
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Mass vult for nada he's minning stork's main stork dt drop but nada has got turrets lol @t the crowd : "Hoooo" when stork broke mins with dts :p
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MaTRiX[SiN]
Sweden1282 Posts
On September 28 2007 21:15 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2007 21:12 Aepplet wrote:On September 28 2007 21:09 G.s)NarutO wrote:On September 28 2007 21:08 Camlito wrote: NaDa - Orange 11 Stork - White 2
katrina Please don't live report when you are super far ahead... for me the game is not even started yet T_T WTF? just be silent already, why should live reports cater to your every whim? Are you that dumb? Most of the viewers watch via Sc2 or yaoyuan. You want to know what happens before you see it? -_- are you that dumb? they dont live report for the ones actually watching the game.
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Shuttle with dark templars gets shot down. Stork drops 2 of them though. Gets killed by vultures.
Stork starts another nexus at 3 o'clock. Nada sees it with vultures but gets chased away.
Starts an expo himself at 12.
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Stork tries to macro war vs NaDa? Haha, good joke.
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stork just owned nada's b3 in construction
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On September 28 2007 21:15 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2007 21:12 Aepplet wrote:On September 28 2007 21:09 G.s)NarutO wrote:On September 28 2007 21:08 Camlito wrote: NaDa - Orange 11 Stork - White 2
katrina Please don't live report when you are super far ahead... for me the game is not even started yet T_T WTF? just be silent already, why should live reports cater to your every whim? Are you that dumb? Most of the viewers watch via Sc2 or yaoyuan. You want to know what happens before you see it? -_-
don't read the thread then.... *facepalms*
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very nice storm by stork, he's pwning nada
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nada rebuilding expo he just lost, about even ground troops but stork with expo advantage.
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fast zealots and goons runs over nadas expo at 12.
Stork tests nadas defence but decides to stay put.
Both players adding up facs/gateways.
Stork attacks with shuttles gons zealots and high templars.
breaks nadas defence and enters his base. Nada is pretty much fought back.
Stork adds another expo beneath the 3 o'clock one.
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He doesn't need to win a Macro war vs Nada with storms like that.
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nada had no choice but to go back in his main, now stork is doing b4
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Poor nada, hes getting raped here. And stork is capable of winning a macro war with anyone
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oops im behind, oh well all i see is him owning NaDa
Poor nada
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wtf nada (
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nice defence by nada, goon were hiting racks soo stupid unit
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Stork massing up outside nadas main. Mass zealots and goons right outside. he attacks
Stork tries to break through but nada is stubborn
Moving out with some tanks and pushes storks goons back.
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Stork wasted alot in that attack! Hopefully NaDa can make a comeback!
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GG from NaDa
good play from stork.
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omg a mine kills like 10 vults >< stork is raping nada hardly !!
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wow protoss just rolled over Nada. Stork had very strong macro + fast high templars with storm proved to be useful.
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nada simply cant win this now, unless he does some weird super shit.
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so one sided game... not even funny
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NAda gets stormed and killed. This has to be GG. Excellent build by stork.. keeps sending lots and lots of lots.
Arbiter out aswell!
Nada types out!! GG!! protoss pride!!
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Who is stopping Protoss now?
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On September 28 2007 21:22 niteReloaded wrote: nada simply cant win this now, unless he does some weird super shit.
yes we need the nada of old T.T.
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How gay, until now I though maybe a terran can win a luckgame vs stork on Gaia or so, but now. gl foreigners. korea #1#2#3.
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Wow, that was one of the most impressive PvT performances i've ever seen. stork doubled nada's expo, still managed to outmacro him and tech soooo fast... sick!
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Awesome play by Stork ! Perfect timing !
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Naruto LOL? You really thought that? Stork has the best PvT in the world.
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yea that's sure, unless one of them will be eliminated before the semis
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On September 28 2007 21:18 G.s)NarutO wrote: Stork tries to macro war vs NaDa? Haha, good joke.
lol that made me laugh :o
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Stork breaking out the PvT form in grand style there. NaDa never had a chance.
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yeah naruto get real if u ever thought about a foreign t winning against stork in a "luckgame" ^^
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I don't get this game. Pretty useless dt drop and very early cannons, yet he had so much more units. And they both went fast exp.
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On September 28 2007 21:24 G.s)NarutO wrote: How gay, until now I though maybe a terran can win a luckgame vs stork on Gaia or so, but now. gl foreigners. korea #1#2#3. honestly the only korean that can lose a game is hwasin IMO. i think he's one of those players that are not that talented but managed to practice their way to perfection. He's similar to midas. And players like that can get confused/cheesed on WCG IMO.
EDIT: on the other hand, Savior and stork seem like their instinct/knowledge of the game/+everything else is just amazing. You can hardly suprise these guys.
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Maybe the best pvt rape i've ever seen!
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it made me smile.. but ... i like nada as a person.. and liked him as a player.. i hope he can comeback and play good again
pro gaming level is just getting to higher and higher levels..
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Wow, what is the secret behind that play?
Failed DT, cannons, double expansion, arbiter tech and he crushed NaDa at the same time...
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On September 28 2007 21:25 Storchen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2007 21:18 G.s)NarutO wrote: Stork tries to macro war vs NaDa? Haha, good joke. lol that made me laugh :o
Yay, 1 game. Wait until the old NaDa is back and steamrolls anyone. Just wait.
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On September 28 2007 21:27 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2007 21:24 G.s)NarutO wrote: How gay, until now I though maybe a terran can win a luckgame vs stork on Gaia or so, but now. gl foreigners. korea #1#2#3. honestly the only korean that can lose a game is hwasin IMO. i think he's one of those players that are not that talented but managed to practice their way to perfection. He's similar to midas. And players like that can get confused/cheesed on WCG IMO.
Did you see Draco vs Midas @ Gaia? Midas got brutally cheesed and Draco even had to fight for the win in a nearly 40 minutes game. If you compare HwaSin and Midas then I have to say HwaSin will not lose game. T_T
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i wanna see a replay of that game!
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On September 28 2007 21:28 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2007 21:25 Storchen wrote:On September 28 2007 21:18 G.s)NarutO wrote: Stork tries to macro war vs NaDa? Haha, good joke. lol that made me laugh :o Yay, 1 game. Wait until the old NaDa is back and steamrolls anyone. Just wait.
lol "ok". you take this fanboyism a little to serious. intrnt srs bsns
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Well.. next game probably is one sided too-.-'
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Savior has rape in his eyes yet again.
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live reports are great when i'm at school, can people stop bitching, just watch the games and don't read the threads if you have an issue with it. If you wanan talk to people about it go into the sc2.org chat. Who are all watching it at the same speed as you, TL-IRC might also be a good place then, but not the thread with live reports which some people need.
Also Raping NaDa 101 as taugt by StOrk Tries DT cheese into late game tactics, this mans a genious and nada was out classed horribly, judging by the reports anyway.
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Stork had pretty low apm 245 ! I thought he is 320 + for sure with this awesome micro !
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Savior must win this to prove that he is not in slump man, losing this would kinda just make us all sad ( coz 1 free liquibet point lost )
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Where you guys all watching this?
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On September 28 2007 21:27 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2007 21:24 G.s)NarutO wrote: How gay, until now I though maybe a terran can win a luckgame vs stork on Gaia or so, but now. gl foreigners. korea #1#2#3. honestly the only korean that can lose a game is hwasin IMO. i think he's one of those players that are not that talented but managed to practice their way to perfection. He's similar to midas. And players like that can get confused/cheesed on WCG IMO.
every korean CAN lose a game but its highly unlikely ok hawsin might be the 'weakest' but im not sure.. if such assumptions are.. a bit too ..
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I think Storks build based on heavy defense while using the strengh of his tech.
14 Nexus Dark Templars and cannons to defend. High Templars to attack.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
2nd time he's dealt to nada in such a convincing manner too
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Wtf, is it just me or did they call frozean "cutangel"
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gogo savior live reporting ezz, must read this, step by step rape.
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Gogogo Power of 4 hatch!!!
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On September 28 2007 21:33 Camlito wrote: Wtf, is it just me or did they call frozean "cutangel"
Game 4 sAviOr[gm](Z) vs CuteAngeL[Name](T) @ Blue Storm
Thats why..
Oh, cutangel, lol;
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i know about cuteangel as frozeans other name but it said "cutangel" not "cuteangel" O_O
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On September 28 2007 21:33 G.s)NarutO wrote: I think Storks build based on heavy defense while using the strengh of his tech.
14 Nexus Dark Templars and cannons to defend. High Templars to attack.
He reversed there usual role haha, this man is a genious. I love stork's play, but i guess i hopped on the bandwagon, either way stork is fun to watch in PvT/PvP/PvZ, all around exciting player who can do anything.
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On September 28 2007 20:56 Beamo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2007 20:53 pachi wrote:On September 28 2007 20:49 G.s)NarutO wrote:On September 28 2007 20:48 Storchen wrote: is this one game only, as in Hwasin is eliminated? Best of 3 ;o but only 1 game today. isn't it a bo1 group stage? (hwasin still has games against july and iris) Yup Don't always listen to G.s)NarutO...
Never listen to him would even be a better piece of advice. Except if you're a hardcore terran fan
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So has frozean turned emo with his names, or did the editors of this just fuck up..
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On September 28 2007 21:36 ~chut~ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2007 20:56 Beamo wrote:On September 28 2007 20:53 pachi wrote:On September 28 2007 20:49 G.s)NarutO wrote:On September 28 2007 20:48 Storchen wrote: is this one game only, as in Hwasin is eliminated? Best of 3 ;o but only 1 game today. isn't it a bo1 group stage? (hwasin still has games against july and iris) Yup Don't always listen to G.s)NarutO... Never listen to him would even be a better piece of advice. Except if you're a hardcore terran fan
So what? Let me cheer for my favorite player and the best player of all time. And its not like I'm only fan of terrans. I like many Zergs and Protoss players as well.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On September 28 2007 21:01 HonestTea wrote: LIIIIIGHT~
LIIIIIGHT~
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Blue storm
Savior - Green bottom Frozean - Orange? top
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fuck yes! yaoyuan is working, TIME FOR SOME ASS KICKING
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On September 28 2007 21:38 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:LIIIIIGHT~ told ya fakesteve
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Oh come on everyone, lets' all not jump all over Naruto for his Love of NaDa. This is a live report thread, lets' keep our appreciation of the games as the first priority. ;o
Also yes, Light was awesome.
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anybody know which song is playing right before the game? i think i recognize the band so it must be famous i guess...
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51135 Posts
Think it's from the same people who did the Shinhan Season 3 song.
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ooo, frozean moving with 2 rines and scv
bunker rush!
Edit: Nvm im stupid he just sitting at choke, he went 1 rax cc xD
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Savior in frozeans base with 7+ lings, kills all rines!
4 lings left picking off rines and some scvs
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On September 28 2007 21:29 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2007 21:27 niteReloaded wrote:On September 28 2007 21:24 G.s)NarutO wrote: How gay, until now I though maybe a terran can win a luckgame vs stork on Gaia or so, but now. gl foreigners. korea #1#2#3. honestly the only korean that can lose a game is hwasin IMO. i think he's one of those players that are not that talented but managed to practice their way to perfection. He's similar to midas. And players like that can get confused/cheesed on WCG IMO. Did you see Draco vs Midas @ Gaia? Midas got brutally cheesed and Draco even had to fight for the win in a nearly 40 minutes game. If you compare HwaSin and Midas then I have to say HwaSin will not lose game. T_T Did you see midas vs Cobo? C rank PGT > Korea top.
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Bats ruin the party
hive up for savior now
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fast exp for terran (whats his name) ? he's beeing raped by lings (lool)
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crap such a short game coming i feel
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lol .. this is already over T_T
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Savior with 12+ lings, frozean has 3 rines 2 bats and some meds in expo
Savior runs in and kills some scvs and are running around, mutas out for savior now
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On September 28 2007 21:43 Camlito wrote: Bats ruin the party
hive up for savior now
hive?? Lair you mean, no?
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GG from frozean
Fucking hell savior you can stop your rape now.
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lings harassing while hive is morphing. gg I'd say-
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On September 28 2007 21:46 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2007 21:43 Camlito wrote: Bats ruin the party
hive up for savior now
hive?? Lair you mean, no?
yeah my bad.
I get confused.
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
Savior got his swagger back.
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this is over once mutas get up
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haha
savior toying with Frozean
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omg one shot of stacked mutas > 3 rins
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sweet to see savior that aggressive
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and here i thought the previous game was one-sided
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i love it how those mediocre terrans poop their pants when playing against matler =)
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omg what a rape savior is mean
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I quote myself with a smile on my face
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man that was to easy....if only savior could do that vs better terrans.
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ahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Ma Jae Yoon lays on the RAPE
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
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w00t great play, now if he could only rape bisu and hwasin this way O_O
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On September 28 2007 21:49 puLs.ReADy wrote: this was close ;0
frozean wishes.
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That was painful to watch.
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Braavos36362 Posts
that game makes me warm and fuzzy inside
for a week we have hope that he's returning
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Yes, and maybe for a week you can stop saying he's playing so much worse right now than 6 months ago ;p
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yeah.. until he face Bisu, we can say he play good
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Bisu vs Savior finals would really be epic, especially compared to last season.
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On September 28 2007 22:01 boghat wrote: Bisu vs Savior finals would really be epic, especially compared to last season. last season's finals are very classic in terms of game quality, despite the un-shining names
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Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
On September 28 2007 22:11 Garnet wrote: 4/4 GG !
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On September 28 2007 21:38 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2007 21:36 ~chut~ wrote:On September 28 2007 20:56 Beamo wrote:On September 28 2007 20:53 pachi wrote:On September 28 2007 20:49 G.s)NarutO wrote:On September 28 2007 20:48 Storchen wrote: is this one game only, as in Hwasin is eliminated? Best of 3 ;o but only 1 game today. isn't it a bo1 group stage? (hwasin still has games against july and iris) Yup Don't always listen to G.s)NarutO... Never listen to him would even be a better piece of advice. Except if you're a hardcore terran fan So what? Let me cheer for my favorite player and the best player of all time. And its not like I'm only fan of terrans. I like many Zergs and Protoss players as well.
I don't mind you cheering for your favorite players, a lot of people do it on this site. I mind when you're telling someone NOT to report when he's the only one doing it and i, along with other people, have no other option but to wait for live reports from kind users to follow the game. I mind when you report games, because you're always incredibly biased and we get the impression Nada will win when everyone is saying is getting the worst rape in a while. And finally, i mind when you say it's bo3 when it's actually group stage, when you're saying bullshit basically.
Be a fan, i don't mind, just don't be stupid.
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3/4 -_- glad to see light come through, though
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On September 28 2007 22:53 ~chut~ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2007 21:38 G.s)NarutO wrote:On September 28 2007 21:36 ~chut~ wrote:On September 28 2007 20:56 Beamo wrote:On September 28 2007 20:53 pachi wrote:On September 28 2007 20:49 G.s)NarutO wrote:On September 28 2007 20:48 Storchen wrote: is this one game only, as in Hwasin is eliminated? Best of 3 ;o but only 1 game today. isn't it a bo1 group stage? (hwasin still has games against july and iris) Yup Don't always listen to G.s)NarutO... Never listen to him would even be a better piece of advice. Except if you're a hardcore terran fan So what? Let me cheer for my favorite player and the best player of all time. And its not like I'm only fan of terrans. I like many Zergs and Protoss players as well. I don't mind you cheering for your favorite players, a lot of people do it on this site. I mind when you're telling someone NOT to report when he's the only one doing it and i, along with other people, have no other option but to wait for live reports from kind users to follow the game. I mind when you report games, because you're always incredibly biased and we get the impression Nada will win when everyone is saying is getting the worst rape in a while. And finally, i mind when you say it's bo3 when it's actually group stage, when you're saying bullshit basically. Be a fan, i don't mind, just don't be stupid.
Sorry for apologizing for reporting, i didn't know what i was doing. (My first report, i wanted to try it to keep people informed).
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Braavos36362 Posts
On September 28 2007 21:58 boghat wrote: Yes, and maybe for a week you can stop saying he's playing so much worse right now than 6 months ago ;p he is though
we just can't see it against terrans like frozean
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dammit nada
at least light won.
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On September 28 2007 21:54 Hot_Bid wrote: that game makes me warm and fuzzy inside
for a week we have hope that he's returning
Don't hope too much... Frozean is a) a no-name and b) has horrible TvZ stats (they showed them: 1-7. Now it's 1-8) A slumping Savior can still rape Terrans like this easily, but he has problems vs. the elite ones...
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On September 28 2007 23:07 Camlito wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2007 22:53 ~chut~ wrote:On September 28 2007 21:38 G.s)NarutO wrote:On September 28 2007 21:36 ~chut~ wrote:On September 28 2007 20:56 Beamo wrote:On September 28 2007 20:53 pachi wrote:On September 28 2007 20:49 G.s)NarutO wrote:On September 28 2007 20:48 Storchen wrote: is this one game only, as in Hwasin is eliminated? Best of 3 ;o but only 1 game today. isn't it a bo1 group stage? (hwasin still has games against july and iris) Yup Don't always listen to G.s)NarutO... Never listen to him would even be a better piece of advice. Except if you're a hardcore terran fan So what? Let me cheer for my favorite player and the best player of all time. And its not like I'm only fan of terrans. I like many Zergs and Protoss players as well. I don't mind you cheering for your favorite players, a lot of people do it on this site. I mind when you're telling someone NOT to report when he's the only one doing it and i, along with other people, have no other option but to wait for live reports from kind users to follow the game. I mind when you report games, because you're always incredibly biased and we get the impression Nada will win when everyone is saying is getting the worst rape in a while. And finally, i mind when you say it's bo3 when it's actually group stage, when you're saying bullshit basically. Be a fan, i don't mind, just don't be stupid. Sorry for apologizing for reporting, i didn't know what i was doing. (My first report, i wanted to try it to keep people informed).
Stop being sorry to be sorry, it was very nice to report the game, just don't listen to Naruto next time
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3/4
this fiirst lineup was very food but the last lineup :
UpMagiC < Blue Storm > GGPlay July < Fantasy II > Hwasin Jaedong < Persona > Stork Flash < Katrina > sAviOr
WILL BE AWESOME !!!!
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rofl my exact predictions, 4/4. SOOOO GOOD~~
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is awesome32244 Posts
No Hwasinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn you were the chosen one.
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What map is Persona? Is it one of those maps with korean names which were released lately?
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yakii
Korea (South)1448 Posts
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On September 28 2007 21:36 ~chut~ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2007 20:56 Beamo wrote:On September 28 2007 20:53 pachi wrote:On September 28 2007 20:49 G.s)NarutO wrote:On September 28 2007 20:48 Storchen wrote: is this one game only, as in Hwasin is eliminated? Best of 3 ;o but only 1 game today. isn't it a bo1 group stage? (hwasin still has games against july and iris) Yup Don't always listen to G.s)NarutO... Never listen to him would even be a better piece of advice. Except if you're a hardcore terran fan
QFT.
On September 28 2007 21:33 G.s)NarutO wrote: I think Storks build based on heavy defense while using the strengh of his tech.
14 Nexus Dark Templars and cannons to defend. High Templars to attack.
No, they're both defense incase Nada was going m&m rush.
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Does that mean Hwasin is out ?
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If the majority of TvT is going to be like the Hwasin & Light match then I think I'll skip the VOD and read the report instead. Hwasin was so dominant over Light, but I guess he crumbled from not being use to this map and Light took advantage of it. On normal maps, most player crumble under Hwasin's well timed early drops.
Nice seeing Savior stomping over CuteAngel. Greedy terran got punish
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On September 29 2007 02:03 InfesTeD]i[ wrote: Does that mean Hwasin is out ?
They're still in group stage I think. This is the first series of games I've seen for this season of OSL.
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On September 29 2007 02:08 [X]Ken~D wrote:They're still in group stage I think. This is the first series of games I've seen for this season of OSL.
thx
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United States1653 Posts
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the only way terrans seem to win these days is by playing TvT
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On September 29 2007 03:05 Zanno wrote: the only way terrans seem to win these days is by playing TvT
Iloveoov is gonna CRUSH everyone, mark my words. (At least msl, dunno if he's even in osl.)
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On September 29 2007 02:03 InfesTeD]i[ wrote: Does that mean Hwasin is out ?
He has to beat July and Iris to advance... ie, not terribly likely. But eh, it's Hwasin.
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United States7488 Posts
Thank you Yakii!
and 4/4, take that Hwasin!
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One question, do winners just advance to ro8? and for the people who lose, are they out? or loser's bracket? soryr i am not COMPLETELY familiarzed with league ruels
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In each group there is a round robin, where each player plays everyone else in the group one time. The top 2 from each group advance to the round of 8. Noone was eliminated today because they could win their other 2 games and advance 2-1.
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Oh, I see. Thanks
I am happy Stork is in Round of 8 Also Bisu too
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On September 28 2007 18:05 HonestTea wrote: I love Light so much, but his TvT is just atrocious, even on a good day.
+ Show Spoiler +Someone proved HonestTea wrong gogo Light
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Savior stomped Frozean hard
It's going to be fun watching savior in wcg
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On September 29 2007 04:22 vstar wrote:Oh, I see. Thanks I am happy Stork is in Round of 8 Also Bisu too
they're not...this was just the first game. they could go 1-2 and be eleminated.
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
I'm surprised so many people still don't know the OSL format yet.
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On September 29 2007 04:31 jtan wrote:Savior stomped Frozean hard It's going to be fun watching savior in wcg frozean played dumb, not exactly a good indicator of saviors shape
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On September 28 2007 21:27 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2007 21:24 G.s)NarutO wrote: How gay, until now I though maybe a terran can win a luckgame vs stork on Gaia or so, but now. gl foreigners. korea #1#2#3. honestly the only korean that can lose a game is hwasin IMO. i think he's one of those players that are not that talented but managed to practice their way to perfection. He's similar to midas. And players like that can get confused/cheesed on WCG IMO. EDIT: on the other hand, Savior and stork seem like their instinct/knowledge of the game/+everything else is just amazing. You can hardly suprise these guys.
BAHAHAHAHA, Hwasin is so much better than Midas. Midas is pure mechanics, he gets flustered if things don't go his way. Hwasin (as you can see from the game) does innovation, he adapts. IMO, Stork is still the only player who can drop a game, just a feeling I have.
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You are so stupid. Plz keep WCG nonsense out of my beautiful OSL.
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(before the game)
Do I even need to watch this game? Just from that one screenshot I know exactly what will happen.
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thedeadhaji
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Bob, that just made me laugh quite hard XD
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Watched it anyway, 100% as expected.
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United States7488 Posts
On September 29 2007 04:55 Live2Win wrote: I'm surprised so many people still don't know the OSL format yet.
Not only has it been basically the same exact format for each OSL, but there is Results and Standings thread in Featured section that explains everything.
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On September 29 2007 05:50 SonuvBob wrote:(before the game) Do I even need to watch this game? Just from that one screenshot I know exactly what will happen.
LOL Now this is just.. so rofl thats just fitting PERFECTLY WTF
savior : ill rape u and it wont even satisfy me raping such a noob frozen : uuh plz.. sal sal master.. dont rape me too hard.. hurts hurts..
ROFL -_- this pic is just awesome ^^
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I just saw GGplay vs Bisu, what a rape, how can a pro zerg play that bad ? I mean that game was lost after the first reaver came out....tsu, tsu,tsu. I think he just had a very poor strategy, unacceptable for a pro. All of them doing the same shit, making drones and overlords the whole game. I don't think he managed to put together 12 hydras the whole game. And he lost a drone in the very beginning, God that was amaturish ..
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haha what an awesome picture
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On September 29 2007 06:25 viceroy wrote: I just saw GGplay vs Bisu, what a rape, how can a pro zerg play that bad ? I mean that game was lost after the first reaver came out....tsu, tsu,tsu. I think he just had a very poor strategy, unacceptable for a pro. All of them doing the same shit, making drones and overlords the whole game. I don't think he managed to put together 12 hydras the whole game. And he lost a drone in the very beginning, God that was amaturish ..
Yah I mean there is absolutely no pressure playing the guy who has completely revolutionized pvz. I can see where you are coming with this =/
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Bisu is just so good.
Hwasin finally lost good job Light.
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savior and bisu win, hwasin and nada lose. honestly there could not be a better game day for me
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On September 29 2007 07:03 yubee wrote: savior and bisu win, hwasin and nada lose. honestly there could not be a better game day for me
i'm inclined to agree, although i do like GGPlay
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LoL i enjoy how Bisu and Savior steamroll their opponents in similar uberrape fashion, can't wait for a 5 game epic in the finals xD. And I think Savior is starting to show signs of coming out of his slump. He is starting to be able to do the things he used to do (making literally EVERY strategy he tries whether it be rush, tech, econ, u name it work), and I don't think that even 00v or (enter good toss player here, I would say stork but a slumping, drunk savior on crack would assrape stork) will be able to stop the Maestro. However, I am worried about Bisu.
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On September 29 2007 03:11 Frits wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2007 03:05 Zanno wrote: the only way terrans seem to win these days is by playing TvT Iloveoov is gonna CRUSH everyone, mark my words. (At least msl, dunno if he's even in osl.)
No he's not in OSL, but I hope your prediction comes true.
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On September 29 2007 06:05 semioldguy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2007 04:55 Live2Win wrote: I'm surprised so many people still don't know the OSL format yet. Not only has it been basically the same exact format for each OSL, but there is Results and Standings thread in Featured section that explains everything.
yeayea ^_^ i love osl format.... so much more gosu than msl
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Bisu is just taking advantage of the new maps, he didn't invent anything in particular. Don't get me wrong I think he's brilliant, but he is being helped a lot by the new maps, and by the fact that zerg players don't adapt fast enough. The strategy he's using now, was not feasible on older maps, because a protoss could not secure a second gas so fast, and going corsaire/reaver was slow enough for the zerg to react with mutas.
These new maps are looking more and more like BGH, one can secure at least one expo (if not two) with no trouble what so ever. So Bisu expoed faster than GGPlay, with one canon, and then having more than he needed just harassed GGplay into oblivion. And more than that he had another handy expo on an island... No zerg can win against a perfect play (or close to perfect) by the protoss player on these stupid maps. I know Savior is smart and I'm still hoping that he will find the key. I already see the signs, he's trying new things, 8-9 pools, fast gas, I don't know, he seems he's planning
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Valhalla18444 Posts
Fantasy isn't hard for ZvP. It's actually pretty good.
Bisu won that game because he is inhumanly efficient. He harassed perfectly and I'm still surprised at how fast he got that big ground army. It doesn't matter what map it is, no Zerg can beat Bisu when he plays like that.
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FFS Savior has NEVER slumped.. if savior is on a slump then Xellos or Reach are what? Dead? Even though he is GODLY he just cant win ALL, of his games, plus all of his later loss have benn bo1.
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On September 29 2007 10:20 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Fantasy isn't hard for ZvP. It's actually pretty good.
Bisu won that game because he is inhumanly efficient. He harassed perfectly and I'm still surprised at how fast he got that big ground army. It doesn't matter what map it is, no Zerg can beat Bisu when he plays like that.
Well they could start by double expanding so they at least have a chance... I think that was GGPlay's biggest mistake. His third expo was ridiculously late, so he had like zero chance. Especially given that he didn't pressure at all.
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On September 29 2007 11:52 zer0das wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2007 10:20 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Fantasy isn't hard for ZvP. It's actually pretty good.
Bisu won that game because he is inhumanly efficient. He harassed perfectly and I'm still surprised at how fast he got that big ground army. It doesn't matter what map it is, no Zerg can beat Bisu when he plays like that. Well they could start by double expanding so they at least have a chance... I think that was GGPlay's biggest mistake. His third expo was ridiculously late, so he had like zero chance. Especially given that he didn't pressure at all. bisu's harass only becomes more efficient when a zerg overextends himself, you saw what happened to savior in msl finals. he took too many bases too quickly and couldn't handle the harass
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That picture is absolutely hilarious. One Of savior's fans has to make him a poster mocking every inch of it.
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Because he refused to build any sunkens with his spores, if memory serves me right. I'd probably get smashed by Bisu too, but one can play 3 base a hell of a lot better than Savior did in that game.
That being said, GGPlay still ended up taking that third expansion incredibly late, so he still had to defend it but he didn't reap enough reward for it. When I three base I usually end up with an econ similar to the Protoss at the critical point. GGPlay was ridiculously far behind in econ. He should have been at the gates of Bisu's FE, but instead he was sitting there in his base with all his hydra while Bisu's production was kicking in...
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I don't know if this has been asked, what's the tool that they use to provide unit count?
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What a nice day~ bisu, savior and stork win
altough i like ggplay too
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On September 29 2007 12:23 Cambium wrote: I don't know if this has been asked, what's the tool that they use to provide unit count?
Good question.
Did anybody else lol when Frozean scanned 10 o' clock before tapping out? Just to make sure he didn't get raped that badly?
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Didn't notice until someone said it after I watched the game... pretty funny at least he knows that he didn't get raped as badly as assumed...
That being said theres a question i'd like to ask... most of the games I watched wheres its Bisu vs zerg he tends to fast expand every single game. Has anyone tried to just 4 pool him or something?
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On September 29 2007 12:08 zer0das wrote: Because he refused to build any sunkens with his spores, if memory serves me right. I'd probably get smashed by Bisu too, but one can play 3 base a hell of a lot better than Savior did in that game.
That being said, GGPlay still ended up taking that third expansion incredibly late, so he still had to defend it but he didn't reap enough reward for it. When I three base I usually end up with an econ similar to the Protoss at the critical point. GGPlay was ridiculously far behind in econ. He should have been at the gates of Bisu's FE, but instead he was sitting there in his base with all his hydra while Bisu's production was kicking in...
funny guy
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On September 29 2007 11:58 yubee wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2007 11:52 zer0das wrote:On September 29 2007 10:20 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Fantasy isn't hard for ZvP. It's actually pretty good.
Bisu won that game because he is inhumanly efficient. He harassed perfectly and I'm still surprised at how fast he got that big ground army. It doesn't matter what map it is, no Zerg can beat Bisu when he plays like that. Well they could start by double expanding so they at least have a chance... I think that was GGPlay's biggest mistake. His third expo was ridiculously late, so he had like zero chance. Especially given that he didn't pressure at all. bisu's harass only becomes more efficient when a zerg overextends himself, you saw what happened to savior in msl finals. he took too many bases too quickly and couldn't handle the harass
It's true that Savior's mistake in the MSL was overextending himself, in games 1 and 3 it was sair-DT and in that case you can't expand too much, at least against Bisu, because you can't defend expos with sairs killing ovies and DTs hunting down morphing or just morphed hatcheries. On the other hand, in this GGplay vs Bisu game, Bisu made reavers. If I'm not mistaken, zerg is supposed to expand like wildfire early against reaver+sair because it's much slower and less effficient at taking down start-up expansions when the zerg expands a lot. I do think the late second expo by GGplay is what cost him the game.
Also, in game 2 of the MSL (savior vs bisu) on reverse temple, bisu went reaver first and savior would've been in good position if it wasn't for his poor hatchery placement in the expansion near middle. Those walls in the middle on reverse temple fucked savior up, if it wasn't for that, expanding a lot in that situation would've paid off.
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On September 29 2007 13:23 R11 wrote: Didn't notice until someone said it after I watched the game... pretty funny at least he knows that he didn't get raped as badly as assumed...
That being said theres a question i'd like to ask... most of the games I watched wheres its Bisu vs zerg he tends to fast expand every single game. Has anyone tried to just 4 pool him or something?
It's probably a bad idea, in a map where 4-5 pooling is feasible, Bisu usually 6pylon scouts 7gate. Z has had more success just overloading him with hydras when he fe's although that hasn't held up in bo3 matchplay.
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On September 29 2007 14:04 ATeddyBear wrote: Did Bisu even make a HT?
yes.
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It seemed like GGPlay was really nervous. His macro looked sloppy as hell, he had idle larvas everywhere and never had a decent number of drones at his bottom left expos.
On the other hand Bisu played like a champ and would have been extremely hard to stop anyway.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On September 29 2007 11:52 zer0das wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2007 10:20 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Fantasy isn't hard for ZvP. It's actually pretty good.
Bisu won that game because he is inhumanly efficient. He harassed perfectly and I'm still surprised at how fast he got that big ground army. It doesn't matter what map it is, no Zerg can beat Bisu when he plays like that. Well they could start by double expanding so they at least have a chance... I think that was GGPlay's biggest mistake. His third expo was ridiculously late, so he had like zero chance. Especially given that he didn't pressure at all.
He did double expand. He had two hatcheries morphing at the same time, on at his nat and one at the gaema nat. Then he added another at gaema main.
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FakeSteve, have you seen any weaknesses in Bisu's opening ? What do you think would have helped GGplay ? I know he played kind of bad, but even with a good play I don't see how he could have won this game.. 5 pool ? mass hydras ? Do you guys understand why mutas are not a good counter anymore ?
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On September 30 2007 05:38 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2007 11:52 zer0das wrote:On September 29 2007 10:20 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Fantasy isn't hard for ZvP. It's actually pretty good.
Bisu won that game because he is inhumanly efficient. He harassed perfectly and I'm still surprised at how fast he got that big ground army. It doesn't matter what map it is, no Zerg can beat Bisu when he plays like that. Well they could start by double expanding so they at least have a chance... I think that was GGPlay's biggest mistake. His third expo was ridiculously late, so he had like zero chance. Especially given that he didn't pressure at all. He did double expand. He had two hatcheries morphing at the same time, on at his nat and one at the gaema nat. Then he added another at gaema main.
Haha... whoops. Thought he added that much later than he did. In that case, how he got so behind in the first place is pretty inexplicable. I guess the probe managed to delay his initial expo about a minute or so.
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On September 30 2007 09:04 viceroy wrote: FakeSteve, have you seen any weaknesses in Bisu's opening ? What do you think would have helped GGplay ? I know he played kind of bad, but even with a good play I don't see how he could have won this game.. 5 pool ? mass hydras ? Do you guys understand why mutas are not a good counter anymore ? overall he lost because he just played sloppy, in terms of macro and response time.
the problem is savior is pretty much as clean as it gets in those aspects, and bisu still outplays him every time.
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I think it was GGplay's half hearted attempts to counter with both spire and lurker/hydra. It took a lot of resources and gave Bisu time to harrass before he got enough of troops to defend. I mean, the spire opening really didn't accomplish anything. Vs a toss who keeps getting sairs you need insane scourge micro and probably some carelessnes from toss. Since his air dominance lasted just until Bisu got a few more sairs it wasn't worth it. Also, didn't he tech lurkers really early too? Thats obviously not the best counter vs reavers even though they are not totally useless to have. maybe a focus on earlier hydras could have allowed GGplay to make enough drones and still have enough to defend. Then he could have made lurker switch in time for Bisu's ground troops.
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i don't think going spire first cost ggplay that much, because all he made was scourge and not mutalisk. he still had plenty for hydras.
but if you watch saviors recent games against bisu he now goes den first instead of spire, and still loses.
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On September 30 2007 10:02 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2007 09:04 viceroy wrote: FakeSteve, have you seen any weaknesses in Bisu's opening ? What do you think would have helped GGplay ? I know he played kind of bad, but even with a good play I don't see how he could have won this game.. 5 pool ? mass hydras ? Do you guys understand why mutas are not a good counter anymore ? overall he lost because he just played sloppy, in terms of macro and response time. the problem is savior is pretty much as clean as it gets in those aspects, and bisu still outplays him every time.
When you say he outplays him, are you implying that there is something that Savior could do to better counter Bisu's play ? What would that be ? There are couple o games in which I don't see any big mistakes from Savior and he's still losing. What's left ? better strategy ? blame maps ?
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by outplay i just mean mechanics, like fakesteve said bisu is just insanely efficient when it comes to multitasking. he constantly harasses(intelligently) with good micro, but his macro doesnt miss a beat.
There are couple o games in which I don't see any big mistakes from Savior and he's still losing. thats pretty much it, no one appears to be able to match him, playing standard
but nobody is invincible, people will either develop a style that counters him, which would be interesing because he doesnt really have a unique, counterable style, or they will have to catch up in mechanics. its kind of equivalent to what savior's zvt was, he fine-tuned a few aspects, mainly defiler play, but it was nothing revolutionary. he was just really fucking good at it.
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Braavos36362 Posts
right now bisu can multitask better than all other players, and pushes this advantage the most by doing a harass build. the zergs just can't keep up all over the map and slowly lose ground.
bisu is killing ovies, sneaking DTs, reavers, harassing all over the map and then they cut back to his base and he's shuttle-maynarded two groups of probes to an island and has 8 gates and a huge army.
it was just so impressive, it reminds me of those games you play where you just feel like your opponent is everywhere and you feel like you're swimming upstream the entire game. ggplay eventually loses a second here or there running drones, or losing an extra ovie, or having a few larvae idle for a few more seconds, etc. it just adds up over time. bisu being just a little faster with his superior multitask wore ggplay down bit by bit. ggplay couldn't attack the entire game save for some tiny counter when bisu was warping his 3rd.
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seeing nada lose in such grandiose fashion brings tears of joy to my eyes.
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was it child the one who showed how to beat bisu? or was it oversky? i cant remember off the top of my head, but bisu CAN be beaten. it just takes an exceptional zerg to do so in his best matchup.
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Bisu isn't invincible in PvZ, he's just scary to play against when you try to fight him in a straight up macro game, unless you play very tight or try to end it early mid game. Didn't July beat bisu down that way recently?
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yes, July was the last one to have beaten Bisu pvz. Bisu can do all is magic by hiding behind an easily defendable expo, and generally taking advantage of maps (very close now to the old BGH). Had he been under any kind of pressure (July style) I'm sure he'd lose his beat too.
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Presuring Bisu is not nearly as easy as you make it sound. July only BARELY won. And by nature, pressure builds are lower econ and have a lower win % over all.
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Bisu gets 6 sairs = Very hard for Zerg.
Plus GGPlay played sub-par. Really.
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On September 30 2007 13:44 Hot_Bid wrote: right now bisu can multitask better than all other players, and pushes this advantage the most by doing a harass build. the zergs just can't keep up all over the map and slowly lose ground.
bisu is killing ovies, sneaking DTs, reavers, harassing all over the map and then they cut back to his base and he's shuttle-maynarded two groups of probes to an island and has 8 gates and a huge army.
it was just so impressive, it reminds me of those games you play where you just feel like your opponent is everywhere and you feel like you're swimming upstream the entire game. ggplay eventually loses a second here or there running drones, or losing an extra ovie, or having a few larvae idle for a few more seconds, etc. it just adds up over time. bisu being just a little faster with his superior multitask wore ggplay down bit by bit. ggplay couldn't attack the entire game save for some tiny counter when bisu was warping his 3rd.
Reading this makes me feel proud i'm a toss.
Go Bisu!
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On October 01 2007 01:20 FirstBorn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2007 13:44 Hot_Bid wrote: right now bisu can multitask better than all other players, and pushes this advantage the most by doing a harass build. the zergs just can't keep up all over the map and slowly lose ground.
bisu is killing ovies, sneaking DTs, reavers, harassing all over the map and then they cut back to his base and he's shuttle-maynarded two groups of probes to an island and has 8 gates and a huge army.
it was just so impressive, it reminds me of those games you play where you just feel like your opponent is everywhere and you feel like you're swimming upstream the entire game. ggplay eventually loses a second here or there running drones, or losing an extra ovie, or having a few larvae idle for a few more seconds, etc. it just adds up over time. bisu being just a little faster with his superior multitask wore ggplay down bit by bit. ggplay couldn't attack the entire game save for some tiny counter when bisu was warping his 3rd. Reading this makes me feel proud i'm a toss. Go Bisu!
Word- me too :D
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allins like oversky or hardcore pressure like july might give z's the best chance right now, because he cant simply out-play them as easily in the early game. but it isnt really a long term solution
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I'm still not convinced Bisu is invincible... I think his game against Savior during Racewars Superfight on Nemesis showed his weaknesses. Savior went... 9 pool, then expoed, then dropped a really late third hatch. He did go pure hydra (for once), and he almost beat Bisu despite the late third hatch and only taking his natural.
Then he tried to push into Bisu's expo without Ovie speed and got punished with dark templar. Anyways, point being that even if the map was Nemesis (yeah yeah, I know) he almost beat Bisu despite going with a 9 pool and being inanely conservative with his expos. He cut drones too much to have a chance after that, but if he was actually dedicating himself to killing off the FE, he'd have been fine (either push later before storm or just expand everywhere).
I don't think the July game was anywhere near representative of what you need to do, since Bisu didn't FE. I suppose that if one were to go a double expo against a single base Bisu, the chance of getting punished is pretty high... but given that he FEs in like 90% of his games, why the heck no zergs have actually gone with a dedicated 3 base hydra rush without screwing around with muta/scourge is beyond me.
Fend off the initial sair/dt harass, keep your hydra in your base until you can just plow through the expo. Hell, get the ovie transport upgrade and drop his main if you feel like it (although don't be like Gorush and have your drop die to the corsairs -.-).
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Part of the problem is how bisu's corsair's overlord kills can slow a zerg down, maybe it gets them to delay their push? I do think 3 hatch hydra would work vs Bisu, but only because bisu's adapting to the current zerg style. If he knows hydras are coming it'll be easy to adapt, for it. But the hydras would have to run off two bases and not really be a macro build, more of an agressive one. Savior's already tried to pull of an almost pure 3hatch hydra build into a drop, but it was raped out of existence when Bisu anticipated it completely. The games between them are so even in terms of macro that it's all about who's multytasking better, currently it's usually Bisu.
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I still think Savior's macro/multitasking skills are better, is just a zerg has to do more things than a protoss. Corsairs are quite strong and as long as one doesn't run them in masses of hydras, he's safe. On the other hand, mutas encountering some bored HT would led to their immediate demise.
Anyway the only player that's trying something different to counter Bisu is Savior. Both of them are producing some exciting games almost every game they play, so God speed to both !
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