On August 07 2023 23:50 RogerChillingworth wrote: Just popped in to say that Fantasy/JD series was very fulfilling and made up for the other 2 lackluster series. Fantasy is in such good shape, i'm pretty astounded. And it wasn't like JD played bad, he looked great honestly. What a series.
No shade on SC2, cause I'm a huge fan of that game as well, but Fantasy vs JD (game 3 I think?) is proof of the strength and depth of Brood War as it compares to most other games. Just incredible, awesome, cinematic, gut-wrenching, and badass all around. Grats to Fantasy, super well played, but more impressed with JD honestly. I can't even imagine what it feels like to be a Zerg under that much continuous pressure all game - and in every game of the series.
hard for me to imagine SC2 can have the type of swings and multi-tasking that happened in those games.
Fantasy will stream on Afreeca today at 7pm KST. Not sure what the content will be (probably to communicate with fans after Gamers8) but that's good news right?
I might be out of the loop but what grabbed my attention was how many firebats Fantasy was using. Always thought they are rather underused in the early/mid game pushes.
On August 08 2023 18:33 LUCKY_NOOB wrote: Sadly and surprisingly to me the SC2 was actually better than the BW in this case...
no it wasn't.. especially not the play-offs
I've just seen the grand finals so far. BW finals were a murder in the wrong direction, while SC2 finals were a murder in the right direction AND I was never sure who would win. While in BW it looked and felt pretty one sided for most of the games... I hate that feeling.
On August 10 2023 15:57 ggsimida wrote: really like to see more of the sc2 players try their hands on serious BW for a while. if scarlett can be decent imagine how reynor and serral can do.
weird that many more top korean sc2 players don't do it.. you can make so much money by streaming BW on afreeca.. especially if you're a known name. Much more stable than tournament winnings too.
On August 10 2023 15:57 ggsimida wrote: really like to see more of the sc2 players try their hands on serious BW for a while. if scarlett can be decent imagine how reynor and serral can do.
weird that many more top korean sc2 players don't do it.. you can make so much money by streaming BW on afreeca.. especially if you're a known name. Much more stable than tournament winnings too.
Kinda bizarre.
I’d imagine it’s pretty damn competitive to break into though. I mean hardcore BW fans have legends of that game still playing and lots of established characters. I’m not sure how much interest in that space there would be for an SC2 player trying to build themselves up.
Apparently MC is pretty damn good, on the outskirts of ASL qualification good but I don’t know if she streams.
Plus there’s always the possibility that the current SC2 crop either prefer SC2 over BW, or prefer the SC2 structure over BW’s.
On August 10 2023 15:57 ggsimida wrote: really like to see more of the sc2 players try their hands on serious BW for a while. if scarlett can be decent imagine how reynor and serral can do.
weird that many more top korean sc2 players don't do it.. you can make so much money by streaming BW on afreeca.. especially if you're a known name. Much more stable than tournament winnings too.
Kinda bizarre.
I’d imagine it’s pretty damn competitive to break into though. I mean hardcore BW fans have legends of that game still playing and lots of established characters. I’m not sure how much interest in that space there would be for an SC2 player trying to build themselves up.
Apparently MC is pretty damn good, on the outskirts of ASL qualification good but I don’t know if she streams.
Plus there’s always the possibility that the current SC2 crop either prefer SC2 over BW, or prefer the SC2 structure over BW’s.
MC is streaming. He's under the flag of the JSA university (one of the more popular SC universities). He also worn their T-shirt at Gamers8 if anyone noticed. He's Joker tier (lower than Scan - for comparison) - so not particularly strong.
The thing is, transitioning from SC2 progamer to SC1 streamer is not that simple. If you're as good as Fantasy, it's pretty easy. You have a big fanbase already who will follow your stream no matter what, and you'll slot right in Major Proleague where the highest earners are.
But if you're at MC's level, you'll get murdered even in K-League, so Proleague is not the way. The best way is to join one of the universities, do coaching for female streamers, participate in uni activities. For that you'll need a bit of talent in variety streaming, and some connections. And available spots are limited as well. So it's not that straightforward.
Last year, Dear also made the transition. Couldn't qualify for ASL. He was in the Basford univ (Best as president), but after the university disbanded he kinda vanished from the SC1 scene. I think he's back to SC2 now.
MC was in MBC B team as a progamer no? Or am I confusing him with someone else? So he had a solid pre-SC2 foundation.
A lot of sc2 pro in Korea were already around for BW during Kespa but the younger ones not and so it d be hard for them to be relevant in BW in Korea. SC2 popularity is very low and few fans would transfer over. Since fans who both like sc2 and bw probably already have other BW players they prefer.
For foreigners, it s not obvious the skills would transfer enough to be worth it in the korean system of streaming, little money in the "western" system outside China.
On August 10 2023 15:57 ggsimida wrote: really like to see more of the sc2 players try their hands on serious BW for a while. if scarlett can be decent imagine how reynor and serral can do.
weird that many more top korean sc2 players don't do it.. you can make so much money by streaming BW on afreeca.. especially if you're a known name. Much more stable than tournament winnings too.
Kinda bizarre.
I’d imagine it’s pretty damn competitive to break into though. I mean hardcore BW fans have legends of that game still playing and lots of established characters. I’m not sure how much interest in that space there would be for an SC2 player trying to build themselves up.
Apparently MC is pretty damn good, on the outskirts of ASL qualification good but I don’t know if she streams.
Plus there’s always the possibility that the current SC2 crop either prefer SC2 over BW, or prefer the SC2 structure over BW’s.
MC is streaming. He's under the flag of the JSA university (one of the more popular SC universities). He also worn their T-shirt at Gamers8 if anyone noticed. He's Joker tier (lower than Scan - for comparison) - so not particularly strong.
The thing is, transitioning from SC2 progamer to SC1 streamer is not that simple. If you're as good as Fantasy, it's pretty easy. You have a big fanbase already who will follow your stream no matter what, and you'll slot right in Major Proleague where the highest earners are.
But if you're at MC's level, you'll get murdered even in K-League, so Proleague is not the way. The best way is to join one of the universities, do coaching for female streamers, participate in uni activities. For that you'll need a bit of talent in variety streaming, and some connections. And available spots are limited as well. So it's not that straightforward.
Last year, Dear also made the transition. Couldn't qualify for ASL. He was in the Basford univ (Best as president), but after the university disbanded he kinda vanished from the SC1 scene. I think he's back to SC2 now.
dear won a jack tier tournament beating scan horang and hiya. after that he wasnt making enough money so he quit. TY has been in multiple qualifiers finals. True has been playing as BTS. Hyun and Ruin are from sc2 too.
On August 10 2023 15:57 ggsimida wrote: really like to see more of the sc2 players try their hands on serious BW for a while. if scarlett can be decent imagine how reynor and serral can do.
weird that many more top korean sc2 players don't do it.. you can make so much money by streaming BW on afreeca.. especially if you're a known name. Much more stable than tournament winnings too.
Kinda bizarre.
I’d imagine it’s pretty damn competitive to break into though. I mean hardcore BW fans have legends of that game still playing and lots of established characters. I’m not sure how much interest in that space there would be for an SC2 player trying to build themselves up.
Apparently MC is pretty damn good, on the outskirts of ASL qualification good but I don’t know if she streams.
Plus there’s always the possibility that the current SC2 crop either prefer SC2 over BW, or prefer the SC2 structure over BW’s.
some, if not most of these guys used to play BW too
On August 10 2023 15:57 ggsimida wrote: really like to see more of the sc2 players try their hands on serious BW for a while. if scarlett can be decent imagine how reynor and serral can do.
weird that many more top korean sc2 players don't do it.. you can make so much money by streaming BW on afreeca.. especially if you're a known name. Much more stable than tournament winnings too.
Kinda bizarre.
I’d imagine it’s pretty damn competitive to break into though. I mean hardcore BW fans have legends of that game still playing and lots of established characters. I’m not sure how much interest in that space there would be for an SC2 player trying to build themselves up.
Apparently MC is pretty damn good, on the outskirts of ASL qualification good but I don’t know if she streams.
Plus there’s always the possibility that the current SC2 crop either prefer SC2 over BW, or prefer the SC2 structure over BW’s.
some, if not most of these guys used to play BW too
like soO, Stats, Classic, TY aka BaBy, sOs.. etc
shame.. but whatever I guess
It would make sense for that crew being mostly pretty good BW pros who transferred to SC2 aye. If they fancied, think TY dabbled a bit that I watched
Just dunno if the interest would be there audience wise for someone like Maru or Gumiho who are SC2 players first and foremost learning BW properly