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After the great success of Season 1 & 2, without further delay we find the season 3 thread. Everyone that contributes, no matter the amount, has our thanks. With many hands even insurmountable becomes easy. Thank you for reviewing the replays submitted to this thread. We couldn't do it without you.
Special Note
During the next month we will be closing out all the reviews from Season 2. Replays already posted from Season 3 in the last seasons thread will be reviewed there then added to this list. Don't worry about the red tape, we'll take care of it.
All replays submitted AFTER this thread is created must be added to the season 3 thread for review.
Welcome to Team Liquid's Season 3 Hacker Database!
Tags we use!
We are currently using two tags to denote whether a player is a hacker, or if a player is committing suspicious activity and we are unable to draw a conclusion within the TL Antihack Team.
[CONFIRMED] ::: This player is for sure a hacker. The TL Antihack team can clearly pick out points within a replay that leave the team with zero doubt.
[NEEDS REVIEW] ::: This player is suspicious and displays behavior that is similar to that of a confirmed hacker. However, in order to make sure that we do not confirm someone as a hacker that is not actually hacking, we have this tag for when the TL Antihack team is unable to determine within itself if the player is hacking or not. PLEASE download this replay, watch, and give us your input. If majority says yes/no, we may delete the player from the list or change this tag to a [CONFIRMED]. Please read the description below the replay for further information as to why this tag was used.
[DROP HACK] ::: This player is drop hacking all or most of his games. Checking this players history will show you a very large amount of wins and none to very little losses; in general the games will last only a few seconds to a couple minutes. Unfortunately there isn't a whole lot one can do against a drop hack, however we will list him here so that if a final list of hackers gets sent to Blizzard by the TL Antihack team, they will be included.
When reporting a hacker, please submit in the format below. If you do not attach a replay, or a character code, we will likely have to skip your post. It slows down the process of review considerably so be considerate! Copy this format, paste it into your post and fill in the blanks! Also, be kind- don't use megaupload or other sites that require a 40 second wait period before replays can be downloaded.
FORMAT Server: NA/EU/SEA/KR Your Name: Hacker Name: Provide a Bnet link if possible. Replay: PLEASE NAME YOUR REPLAY "hackername maphack" Description: The more descriptive you are here, the better, please provide timestamps if at all possible.
Feel free in the description area to provide your own proof. We will check the replay either way. It's recommended you watch your own replay for the obvious stuff before submitting...too many false reports and you're likely to be warned/banned.
What do I look for in replays?
Thankfully aidnai wrote up a pretty good list of things that are hack/not hack material. Take a look below and please consider. Keep in mind that sometimes people are lucky. If someone proxys you without a scout, they might have just gotten lucky. We can't really confirm a hacker on these sorts of things.
Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):
- Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move)
- Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though.
- Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there.
- Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.)
Weak evidence for hacks (i.e. not enough evidence by themselves):
- Proxying the correct location without scouting.
- Anticipating drops/muta timing/DT's/VR's/backstabs etc. Some people just take these things into account in their normal build order.
- Unit composition/blind counters. It could very easily be dumb luck that your opponent went VR's without scouting when you went pure marauder. Or whatever.
- One or two glances at your main under fog. Everyone does this normally (at least I do), to remember what building they scouted, or to send a scout, or to feel more confident about the map/walloff position/whatever. If you're on a 4 player map and your opponent only looks at your main (before scouting), then that's evidence, but occasionally glancing can be normal too.
Not evidence for hacks:
List of known and confirmed hackers [NEEDS REVIEW] [CONFIRMED]
NORTH AMERICA
[NEEDS REVIEW]Hacker Name: Lone / RatZDeeZer Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/6T9Pgc Description: Possible Map hacking and or production tab hacking.
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Name: Zelthcon Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/13967 Description: Manipulates the client, admitted to hacking. Auto D
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Name: Fedaykin Replay: http://drop.sc/26738 Note: Confirmed in Season 2 as well.
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Name: Longoria Replay: http://sc2r.me/3jit
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Name: Bone Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?n1356v0i5ih8f0o
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Name: Terrantula Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?ovpg3iy11zgwupa
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Name: Pingon Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?vmayw5xwk8aa6a5
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Name: Spectre Replay: http://drop.sc/25983
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Name: Betterfuture Replay: http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=226034
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Name: AfterMathDev Replay:http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/11812
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Name: ClubGlam Replay: http://drop.sc/26337
EUROPE
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Name: LuzSec Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/175401-1v1-terran-zerg-shakuras-plateau
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Name: OrdoabchaO Replay: http://www.4shared.com/file/eYvo_aWe/OrdoabchaO_vs_Betrayer.html
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Name: Matt Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/XNnDgr
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Name: ToT Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/pHn1tfhttp://replayfu.com/r/pHn1tf
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Name: Savior Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?cvy66gmqa7p5qp2
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Name: thekoyaa Replay: http://drop.sc/26135
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Name: Brutal Replay: [url blocked]
SEA
KOREA/TAIWAN
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Name: Togo Replay: http://drop.sc/24819
Mod Warnings :
On September 09 2010 02:50 Plexa wrote: If people fuck with this thread then they're taking a trip to disneyland
On September 09 2010 02:32 JWD wrote: Frivolous reports will be cause for warn/ban. Please keep this thread civil and reasonable people!
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Server: EU Your Name: mjwDamador Hacker Name: Savior Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?cvy66gmqa7p5qp2 Description: no scout, dropped in base blindly, look on the fog all the game long, obvious map hack just watch the replay x8 on Savior pov. I trash talked cuse i knew he had a maphack ...
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On August 09 2011 19:16 DamAnus wrote:FORMAT Server: EU Your Name: mjwDamador Hacker Name: Savior Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?cvy66gmqa7p5qp2Description: no scout, dropped in base blindly, look on the fog all the game long, obvious map hack just watch the replay x8 on Savior pov. I trash talked cuse i knew he had a maphack ...
6:15 - Peeks at your army through fog 7:00 - Very "lucky" banshee intercept 7:41 - He drops you with blueflamex4. Worth noting he didn't drop behind the smoke where a normal player might (since you had a marine in there) 8:37 - Peeks at your army 8:52 - Peeks at your army 9:18 - Another "lucky" air intercept with vikings 9:20 to 10:30 - So many army and base peeks I cant be bothered counting them all 11:08 - Army peek outside natural....
Continuing any further is pointless, this guy is blatant.
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Server: NA Your Name: sTsCompleted Hacker Name: Longoria Replay: http://sc2r.me/3jit Description: Was in replay checking why he left randomly. Was in his PoV and he scrolled over to my army (which was in FoW), said "fucking faggot" and left. Also, multiple FoW checks during the game, i.e. 20 seconds in FoW checks my base on a 4player map.
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On August 10 2011 10:51 sTsCompleted wrote:Server: NA Your Name: sTsCompleted Hacker Name: Longoria Replay: http://sc2r.me/3jitDescription: Was in replay checking why he left randomly. Was in his PoV and he scrolled over to my army (which was in FoW), said "fucking faggot" and left. Also, multiple FoW checks during the game, i.e. 20 seconds in FoW checks my base on a 4player map.
Yeah no need for debate on this one, obvious cheat.
His terrible mechanics really let him down, seeing what your opponent is doing is entirely different to actually combating it. Maphacking can only take you so far up the ladder I guess.
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Server: NA Your Name: Monchix Hacker Name: Bone Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?n1356v0i5ih8f0o
Description:
@2:27 Looks a my nat through FOW @3:36 Sees my ramp blockade through FOW without scouting it (wth?) @3:43 Peeks at my nat again @4:47 more peeks @5:06 sees my proxy scouting probe @6:42 more peek and sees my stargate @7:28 looks at wandering probe again @8:00 more peeks toward the end of the game
I'm a bit reluctant to send the report as he never sees the void coming in for the attack, if he was maphacking. Also, this is the second hacker I've encountered this week alone, at the same grave night hours too.
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Yeah excessive fog peeks. Maphacker.
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Thanks for all the work Adam
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Server: KR/TW Your Name: NaViSlaViK (Im not NaViSlaViK, but I took a look on the replay) Hacker Name: Togo Replay: http://drop.sc/24819
Look the replay on his person. Look at the fog of war, He's never scouting & counter all the thing who the zerg do. And he is top 8 on sc2ranks...
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How did you come across this replay?
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Server: US Your Name: ZoD Hacker Name: Terrantula Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?ovpg3iy11zgwupa
Description: Goes for proxy pylon on 4 player map. Then looks at my base through fog of war and see's my 8-10 pool immediately builds forge back home with 2 gates, and 2 cannons. Then hovers over my base for a extend period of time. Didnt scout once!! obviously map hacking. sad part is this is in silver league.
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Yay Season 3 thread! :D
On August 11 2011 01:07 HighlyToxic wrote:+ Show Spoiler +FORMAT Server: KR/TW Your Name: NaViSlaViK (Im not NaViSlaViK, but I took a look on the replay) Hacker Name: Togo Replay: http://drop.sc/24819Look the replay on his person. Look at the fog of war, He's never scouting & counter all the thing who the zerg do. And he is top 8 on sc2ranks...
Watched from Togo's POV:
1:26 - Looks directly at base through fog of war. 2:20 - Looks at base again. 2:50 - Looks at base again... 2:55 - Glances at overlord to make sure it won't see his probe. 3:00ish - Avoids lings with probe before moving up to cannon the natural. 4:22 - Looks at base again... 5:32 - Looks at lings coming out. 8:45 - Pulls probes in natural to defend against roaches he can't see. 10:40 - Checks the natural for his army. 10:42 - Looks at scouting overlord headed into his base on the side. 10:44 - Looks at the overlord on the other side of the base. 11:55 - Sends sentries to kill nydus preemptively. 12:18 - Pulls all his probes and waits to kill the nydus that comes at 12:29. 14:20 - Pulls probes to kill nydus in fog of war. 15:12 - Looks at army through fog of war. 15:56 - Starts placing cannons in mineral line right as the first mutas are building. 16:16 - Looks at army through fog of war. 17:00 - Looks at army and each base/tech for a full 10 seconds... 17:19 - Blinks stalkers to high ground to intercept mutas. 18:46 - Looks through fog of war at burrowed ling at his fourth and fifth, then builds an observer for the first time. 20:00 - Looks at army...
Disgustingly blatant haxing. Probably the only reason he's close to top 8. >.> His play is really not very good, lol.
On August 11 2011 03:18 LadyGagaHasPP wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Server: US Your Name: ZoD Hacker Name: Terrantula Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?ovpg3iy11zgwupaDescription: Goes for proxy pylon on 4 player map. Then looks at my base through fog of war and see's my 8-10 pool immediately builds forge back home with 2 gates, and 2 cannons. Then hovers over my base for a extend period of time. Didnt scout once!! obviously map hacking. sad part is this is in silver league.
Watched from Terrantula's POV:
1:32 - Looks at your base. 2:41 - Looks at base... 5:26 - Maybe this is lucky, but clicking DIRECTLY on that one ling that is hiding in his base seems pretty lucky even though he knows it's over there somewhere.
Okay a few things-- this is an EXTREMELY low level play here. (Watching from his POV is pretty humorous.) That makes some of your reasoning on why he's a hacker not particularly valid.
The pylon only tells us he is dumb. This is a great map to proxy gate/pylon on because you actually don't have to scout. With no close spawns, placing a gate down behind the grass between the two bases is close to either one. Placing a pylon in the middle is further away and almost guaranteed to get scouted (except maybe in silver league you can get lucky with this sometimes.)
Also, I really would caution you against thinking anyone at this level is hacking just because of a forge first and cannon overkill. Newbs turtle so hard, lol.
That said, the fog of war looks were very obvious. He is hacking. XD
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Server: NA Your Name: VogonPoet Hacker Name: Pingon Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?vmayw5xwk8aa6a5 Description: Knows my location in this FFA without scouting, peeks at the fog of war, knows that I've expanded all over the map without scouting (and chastises the other remaining player for not scouting me). Already confirmed in S2 Hacker database sans consequence (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222975).
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Server: NA Your Name: Tassadar Hacker Name: Lone Replay: http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=226012
Description: At 13:20 into the game, there is a dropship incoming to the red terran base (Lone's ally). For some reason which I believe are maphack, Lone pulls backs most of his army from the watchtower in the middle, even though he has no sight, nor has anything that could have told him the ennemy was about to pull off a drop then just sits in his ally base till the drops occurs, then leaves back and go into the middle. The army movement is so sudden and seems to have absolutely no reason that it seems to be maphack to me.
This refers to: •Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.)
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Server: NA Your Name: Juvant Hacker Name: Spectre Replay: http://drop.sc/25983 Description: Watched this replay without thinking anything suspect was going on, but noticed that during several battles spectre's apm spiked to 600-1200. Thought this was impossible, which I believe it is, so I had my teammate watch it as well. He noticed that at 12 minutes, if you watch from Spectre's view, his stalkers are blinking on the minimap, across the map, while he macros in his base. All with his impossibly high apm.
At about 19:20, his apm hits 900 and remains between 900 and 1200 for the next 20 ingame seconds, including a few seconds when he looks away from the battle at his expansion, while still microing.
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On August 11 2011 15:08 Tassy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Server: NA Your Name: Tassadar Hacker Name: Lone Replay: http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=225929Description: At 13:20 into the game, there is a dropship incoming to the red terran base (Lone's ally). For some reason which I believe are maphack, Lone pulls backs most of his army from the watchtower in the middle, even though he has no sight, nor has anything that could have told him the ennemy was about to pull off a drop then just sits in his ally base till the drops occurs, then leaves back and go into the middle. The army movement is so sudden and seems to have absolutely no reason that it seems to be maphack to me. This refers to: •Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.)
Watched from Lone's POV:
3:36 - Builds zerglings and rallies them towards but not directly to the probe you have sitting in his natural. Possibly suspicious only in the context of a lot of other suspicious things. 13:20 - Pulling his army back like that has to be for the dropships. He hasn't even kept any of his army in his own base the entire game, why would he suddenly move all his units into the middle of his allies?
In my mind there is no other justification for his army movements at 13:20-14:00ish than maphax. He keeps selecting his army in anticipation for the drop and rallies his mutas into the base to clean up the medivacs as well. There aren't really any other signs of hacking the entire game, but that one is so strong I am convinced he is simply watching his minimap very closely rather than making the more obvious staring through fog of war mistake.
On August 11 2011 16:08 Juvant wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Server: NA Your Name: Juvant Hacker Name: Spectre Replay: http://drop.sc/25983Description: Watched this replay without thinking anything suspect was going on, but noticed that during several battles spectre's apm spiked to 600-1200. Thought this was impossible, which I believe it is, so I had my teammate watch it as well. He noticed that at 12 minutes, if you watch from Spectre's view, his stalkers are blinking on the minimap, across the map, while he macros in his base. All with his impossibly high apm. At about 19:20, his apm hits 900 and remains between 900 and 1200 for the next 20 ingame seconds, including a few seconds when he looks away from the battle at his expansion, while still microing.
Watched from Spectre's POV with APM tab up:
APM jumps to 1kish around 10:00, 12:30, 19:20, 20:20.
Quite honestly, I am not sure what to think.
It is very hard to tell in the middle of a big fight, but I replayed these times over and over, and it seemed to me that his stalkers were blinking sometimes when no one had them selected. (Noticed this at the 19:20 battle.) Never heard of a hack like this before, but there are AIs that can do it, so I suppose there could be a hack that blink micros for you?
Some other inputs are definitely needed.
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On August 11 2011 16:08 Juvant wrote:Server: NA Your Name: Juvant Hacker Name: Spectre Replay: http://drop.sc/25983Description: Watched this replay without thinking anything suspect was going on, but noticed that during several battles spectre's apm spiked to 600-1200. Thought this was impossible, which I believe it is, so I had my teammate watch it as well. He noticed that at 12 minutes, if you watch from Spectre's view, his stalkers are blinking on the minimap, across the map, while he macros in his base. All with his impossibly high apm. At about 19:20, his apm hits 900 and remains between 900 and 1200 for the next 20 ingame seconds, including a few seconds when he looks away from the battle at his expansion, while still microing.
After watching this replay, I feel the same way as you do. Some players tend to have really high APM by multitasking but in this case, I feel like it's some kind of microhack. I've seen a roach burrow one that acted like this before. Just when the roaches were about to die, they burrow, backed and unborrowed. Coming from a good players, I would have believed it, but since it was from someone with 50 apm all game long spiking at 900 durings fights, defenetly a hack. I believe that Spectre was using something similar to what I just described....
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On August 12 2011 00:57 CraShed-Ice wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 16:08 Juvant wrote:Server: NA Your Name: Juvant Hacker Name: Spectre Replay: http://drop.sc/25983Description: Watched this replay without thinking anything suspect was going on, but noticed that during several battles spectre's apm spiked to 600-1200. Thought this was impossible, which I believe it is, so I had my teammate watch it as well. He noticed that at 12 minutes, if you watch from Spectre's view, his stalkers are blinking on the minimap, across the map, while he macros in his base. All with his impossibly high apm. At about 19:20, his apm hits 900 and remains between 900 and 1200 for the next 20 ingame seconds, including a few seconds when he looks away from the battle at his expansion, while still microing. After watching this replay, I feel the same way as you do. Some players tend to have really high APM by multitasking but in this case, I feel like it's some kind of microhack. I've seen a roach burrow one that acted like this before. Just when the roaches were about to die, they burrow, backed and unborrowed. Coming from a good players, I would have believed it, but since it was from someone with 50 apm all game long spiking at 900 durings fights, defenetly a hack. I believe that Juvant was using something similar to what I just described....
I'm Juvant :p m But yeah, I have heard a lot of pros making a big deal out of July's apm spiking to 700 in some pro game years ago, and that was in BW apm. SC2 is 40% higher I believe. He'd have to be making about 25-28 actions per second for that 20 second period. Which I absolutely think is impossible, even with tremendous spam.
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On August 12 2011 03:24 Juvant wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 00:57 CraShed-Ice wrote:On August 11 2011 16:08 Juvant wrote:Server: NA Your Name: Juvant Hacker Name: Spectre Replay: http://drop.sc/25983Description: Watched this replay without thinking anything suspect was going on, but noticed that during several battles spectre's apm spiked to 600-1200. Thought this was impossible, which I believe it is, so I had my teammate watch it as well. He noticed that at 12 minutes, if you watch from Spectre's view, his stalkers are blinking on the minimap, across the map, while he macros in his base. All with his impossibly high apm. At about 19:20, his apm hits 900 and remains between 900 and 1200 for the next 20 ingame seconds, including a few seconds when he looks away from the battle at his expansion, while still microing. After watching this replay, I feel the same way as you do. Some players tend to have really high APM by multitasking but in this case, I feel like it's some kind of microhack. I've seen a roach burrow one that acted like this before. Just when the roaches were about to die, they burrow, backed and unborrowed. Coming from a good players, I would have believed it, but since it was from someone with 50 apm all game long spiking at 900 durings fights, defenetly a hack. I believe that Juvant was using something similar to what I just described.... I'm Juvant :p m But yeah, I have heard a lot of pros making a big deal out of July's apm spiking to 700 in some pro game years ago, and that was in BW apm. SC2 is 40% higher I believe. He'd have to be making about 25-28 actions per second for that 20 second period. Which I absolutely think is impossible, even with tremendous spam.
Yeah, my bad I mixed the name. Just edited it, no harm intended hehe
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Server: EU Your Name: Juken Hacker Name: thekoyaa Replay: http://drop.sc/26135 Description: Maphacking
Looks at my army as i am pushing out then looks at the probe going left and moves on to look at the zealot at the tower. Never scouting where i am he tankpushes me with missile turrets without scouting my dt shrine, and kills 2 of my 'scouting' pylons by sending units to where they were without seeing them. Perfect siege timing all the time.
I started suspecting something was wrong about 7-9 minutes in, he seemed to accurate with everything he did, scans, pushes, hunting down dt's.
hes match history is also interesting, never really win/lose/win/lose but only win streaks followed by streaks of losses, i assume he is keeping his mmr down or simply he is being matched against guys to good for him even with hacking.
he only missed one pylon and i assume it is because he has focused on killing me.
I also asked the guy he played after me to review their replay and he agreed that what the guy did seemed a bit fishy.
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Server: NA Your Name: SummerZerg Hacker Name: Sven Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?gefgkfzp1s44rrk Description: 8:40-9:20 Watch Him follow my medivac through the fog and following my orbital lifting off to my natural through the fog. and Other stuff but those were the dead give-aways.
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Server: NA Your Name: mevietSAGA Hacker Name: Betterfuture Replay: http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=226034 Description: Use of some form of maphack. He catches every single one of my early scouting probe ( I thought he had vision of them, but when I was checking the replay, the whole 21 mins of gametime we played, he only ever saw 1 pylon at the edge of my base that I put there mid-game. Right at start of game, he stare through FOW at my base for a good while to check what race I randomed. Then he must've turned on cam-lock cause for the next 4 mins his camera never moved. Rest of game he never stared through FOW again though. Reacts to my pressure extremely well by throwing down spines with no vision of my army moving out. Never had lings at xnc tower.
IMO, he has shitty mechanics and build orders for being in diamond league. I showed the reps to a few clan members and they agree it's blatant maphack with some form of cam-lock feature. Tbh, there's no 'concrete' proof except for the first 5-10 seconds of the game he stares at my base. However, lots of sending lings straight to where my probes are got me suspicious (nah i lied, i was watching the rep to bask in my brilliance at P =]p)
Edit: btw, this was in a custom game too, so no loss on ladder or anything. I report this cause, he's also a TL member (search username: betterfuture), low post-count probs a lurker. But he's entered in a few tournaments as well, so just a heads up i guess.
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Server: NA Your Name: ProTech Hacker Name: CheeseTown / GTLBaby Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/GKK5F
Okay first of all, I stream quite a bit so this happens frequently, however when I approached CheeseTown I told him if he was stream cheating then I will ignore it but he completely ignored me. The reason I am posting this is because there is a Grandmaster on their team and if he IS in fact cheating then he needs to be exposed.
Anyway, you'll notice how they open dual forge at our ramps but completely disregard it and make cannons at their base without scouting my 6 pool.
The reason I went 6 pool is because I've lost to these guys 100x with their proxies etc. EVEN IF my overlord scouted it that does not justify not making cannons, because if i opened ANYTHING BUT 6 POOL we would have EASILY been contained. But they didnt scout the pool and still backed off and completely countered what we were doing. It was completely blind.
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It's definitely suspicious and you'll notice a LOT of weird times GTLBaby pans to the side of his base and holds still. There are no FOW looks but that's why I bring up the weird down times in his camera movement. He "could" be locking his camera for replays.
It's definitely very, very suspect to forge wall then sixth sense cannon their own base instead of their opponents. I hope you reported the match because I think this is something Blizzard will have to confirm (Camere lock map hacks are a bitch to prove)
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On August 12 2011 12:58 ProTech wrote:Server: NA Your Name: ProTech Hacker Name: CheeseTown / GTLBaby Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/GKK5FOkay first of all, I stream quite a bit so this happens frequently, however when I approached CheeseTown I told him if he was stream cheating then I will ignore it but he completely ignored me. The reason I am posting this is because there is a Grandmaster on their team and if he IS in fact cheating then he needs to be exposed. Anyway, you'll notice how they open dual forge at our ramps but completely disregard it and make cannons at their base without scouting my 6 pool. The reason I went 6 pool is because I've lost to these guys 100x with their proxies etc. EVEN IF my overlord scouted it that does not justify not making cannons, because if i opened ANYTHING BUT 6 POOL we would have EASILY been contained. But they didnt scout the pool and still backed off and completely countered what we were doing. It was completely blind.
Damn, I've played GTLBaby before and had some suspicions, but never kept the replay.
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On August 12 2011 12:58 ProTech wrote:Server: NA Your Name: ProTech Hacker Name: CheeseTown / GTLBaby Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/GKK5FOkay first of all, I stream quite a bit so this happens frequently, however when I approached CheeseTown I told him if he was stream cheating then I will ignore it but he completely ignored me. The reason I am posting this is because there is a Grandmaster on their team and if he IS in fact cheating then he needs to be exposed. Anyway, you'll notice how they open dual forge at our ramps but completely disregard it and make cannons at their base without scouting my 6 pool. The reason I went 6 pool is because I've lost to these guys 100x with their proxies etc. EVEN IF my overlord scouted it that does not justify not making cannons, because if i opened ANYTHING BUT 6 POOL we would have EASILY been contained. But they didnt scout the pool and still backed off and completely countered what we were doing. It was completely blind.
So you accuse people of hacking WHILE you were streaming? That's pretty damn hasty. As far as I am concerned you cannot accuse someone of hacking if you were streaming the game in question
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On August 12 2011 12:58 ProTech wrote: The reason I went 6 pool is because I've lost to these guys 100x with their proxies etc. EVEN IF my overlord scouted it that does not justify not making cannons, because if i opened ANYTHING BUT 6 POOL we would have EASILY been contained. But they didnt scout the pool and still backed off and completely countered what we were doing. It was completely blind.
Just sounds like a whole lot of meta-gaming to me.
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Server: US Your Name: Stratos Hacker Name: AfterMathDev Replay:http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/11812 Description: Ok at the star he goes for Expa before pool, so i started a pressure with stalkers, and he did mass lings without know that, ok, that is possible.... wired but possible.
15:40 He moved his lings to my natural when i had my forces a little forward in the map than normal but without any knowledge of that.
20 :40 he started to hit a rock, i moved my army and he came back to the center of the map.
23 min aprox: he started to made 2 extras overseer in his army when i sent somes dts to scout for expas, then he moved his army in the same direction.
23 35 he pulled out his drones of his lower expa with out know about dts. no detecion. he wasnt looking into that stop
23 50 he intercept my dts in the top of the map with his army ... no detection he wasnt looking into that spot.
27 50 he moves his army AGAIN where i was moving my dts. No detection for him.
28 40 he is attacking my lower expa, and he decides to go back when i pulled my army to that location, he never saw that.
30 40 (this one is good and the biggest one) again he moved his whole army to the top expansion just because he wanted to... amazing spider sense. And i let one dt in the back and when i moved into the expa he came back with his army AGAIN. witout vision. I let the dt into a corner and he didnt move , he made an overseer.
33 20, he decides to wath the rock on his natural at the same time when i distroyed it. amazing.
34 10, down in the map, i made a dt, he intercepts it, i want his spider sense... this guys is amazing.
end of the game: he try to destroy my expa, he never scouted that part of the map..
long game... but i won...
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On August 12 2011 12:58 ProTech wrote:Server: NA Your Name: ProTech Hacker Name: CheeseTown / GTLBaby Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/GKK5FOkay first of all, I stream quite a bit so this happens frequently, however when I approached CheeseTown I told him if he was stream cheating then I will ignore it but he completely ignored me. The reason I am posting this is because there is a Grandmaster on their team and if he IS in fact cheating then he needs to be exposed. Anyway, you'll notice how they open dual forge at our ramps but completely disregard it and make cannons at their base without scouting my 6 pool. The reason I went 6 pool is because I've lost to these guys 100x with their proxies etc. EVEN IF my overlord scouted it that does not justify not making cannons, because if i opened ANYTHING BUT 6 POOL we would have EASILY been contained. But they didnt scout the pool and still backed off and completely countered what we were doing. It was completely blind.
These guys are hackers. Enuff' said. Met them couples of times on ladder while doing 2s and GTLBaby is a GM.
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If anyone has additional replays that indicate they are hacking, please upload them.
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On August 12 2011 13:25 Lamabot wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 12:58 ProTech wrote:Server: NA Your Name: ProTech Hacker Name: CheeseTown / GTLBaby Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/GKK5FOkay first of all, I stream quite a bit so this happens frequently, however when I approached CheeseTown I told him if he was stream cheating then I will ignore it but he completely ignored me. The reason I am posting this is because there is a Grandmaster on their team and if he IS in fact cheating then he needs to be exposed. Anyway, you'll notice how they open dual forge at our ramps but completely disregard it and make cannons at their base without scouting my 6 pool. The reason I went 6 pool is because I've lost to these guys 100x with their proxies etc. EVEN IF my overlord scouted it that does not justify not making cannons, because if i opened ANYTHING BUT 6 POOL we would have EASILY been contained. But they didnt scout the pool and still backed off and completely countered what we were doing. It was completely blind. So you accuse people of hacking WHILE you were streaming? That's pretty damn hasty. As far as I am concerned you cannot accuse someone of hacking if you were streaming the game in question
Even if i'm streaming there is a delay in the stream, that's why this shows them hacking.
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On August 12 2011 13:15 Probe1 wrote: It's definitely suspicious and you'll notice a LOT of weird times GTLBaby pans to the side of his base and holds still. There are no FOW looks but that's why I bring up the weird down times in his camera movement. He "could" be locking his camera for replays.
It's definitely very, very suspect to forge wall then sixth sense cannon their own base instead of their opponents. I hope you reported the match because I think this is something Blizzard will have to confirm (Camere lock map hacks are a bitch to prove)
Either way, it can't be stream cheating because there is a delay and they would need more time to make their decision
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I assumed you were smart and delayed your stream. I'm going to vote for hack on this one.
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Hacker: Spectre All I can say to that is… “yeah.. right.”. 1000+ APM during a battle is obscene even for the most gifted, especially when hes not displaying any outlandishly high APM throughout the game (110 average). Some form of blink-survival script at work here.
Hacker: Thekoyaa Perfect siege timings. A million fog peeks. Glad I could watch this one on 8x considering its length. Hacker.
Hacker: Sven I don’t see any cheating here. Those Hellions were moved to the southern position in anticipation for his dropship to ferry them across. If I were going to intercept a medivac, I’d probably use something that can attack air. He even sees your drop fly past and does not react until his mineral line is shredded. He got lucky by accidentally spotting your medivac (and didn’t react accordingly), that’s all.
In regards to him moving up on your expansion, his first scan shows him looking at your expansion as its building, it’s a safe assumption that some 5 minutes later in the game that its probably now being put to use, and thus his marines move in.
Hacker: BetterFuture Spends the first 10 seconds of the game looking at your base on a 4 player map…. LOL I could just stop here. Several times, he sends his lings to attack your ramp.. which he hasn’t scouted. Catches multiple scouting probes in odd locations without any hint that they’d be there. Many spinecrawlers made without reason (well, reason that would be known to a legit player). Easy call on this, cheater.
Hacker: CheeseTown/GTLBaby I see a lot of cheesy play… unsure on hacks. If they were legitimately map hacking like is being claimed, they would have seen purples pool go down on the mini-map (which occurs before the forward pylons are even built) and aborted.
How long is your delay on your stream? It is worth noting that they abort their forward position exactly 1 minute after purples spawning pool is begun, therefore if your stream is set to a 1 minute delay, they’d have seen the 6 pool over the stream and reacted accordingly. Obviously I don’t condone stream cheating either but it is always a possibility when you stream publicly.
(these two warrant further replays for sure) Hacker: AfterMathDev This is a strange one. His DT intercepts are ridiculous, even if he was trying to claim he saw the distortion of a cloaked unit, some of the times I cant even see it with the game at ½ speed staring straight at them. Lots of “lightning” reactions moving his army back to the middle, which granted by the level of APM and general skills in this game, I’m going to say isn’t out of the realm of possibility since its probably a masters game (?). Moving out against the base in the bottom corner right at the end isn’t exactly concrete for me, at 36 minutes into the game, I’d just assume my opponent has every base on his half of the map. I guess I’d lean towards something fishy with those DT catches though, probably needs a further replay or two.
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In regards to Cheesetown and GTLBaby
I Dont believe this was a maphacking case at all. I see no obvious tell tail signs of one apart from the goofy forge play which looked more like a wall in of some sort. If they were maphacking they wouldnt have committed like they did, your pool went down before their first pylon, they simple would have noticed it and walled in at their base. The didnt once look through fog of war afaik as I watched the replay several times.
If they were cheating in any way it was due to stream watching as I dont think you have much of a delay on your stream as I used to watch it and I never noticed a delay from when you would make a commercial after a game or comment. I can also cite a time when you felt you lost due to stream watching.
All in all this has no tell tail signs of map hacking, unless some of the other players who encountered them post an incriminating replay i would be inclined to say they were not map hacking. This was just cheesy play from three players.
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On August 12 2011 21:54 MadeinSeptember wrote: In regards to Cheesetown and GTLBaby
I Dont believe this was a maphacking case at all. I see no obvious tell tail signs of one apart from the goofy forge play which looked more like a wall in of some sort. If they were maphacking they wouldnt have committed like they did, your pool went down before their first pylon, they simple would have noticed it and walled in at their base. The didnt once look through fog of war afaik as I watched the replay several times.
If they were cheating in any way it was due to stream watching as I dont think you have much of a delay on your stream as I used to watch it and I never noticed a delay from when you would make a commercial after a game or comment. I can also cite a time when you felt you lost due to stream watching.
All in all this has no tell tail signs of map hacking, unless some of the other players who encountered them post an incriminating replay i would be inclined to say they were not map hacking. This was just cheesy play from three players.
I have played against them many times, and this is the first time they've ever encountered my 6 pool, do you honestly think I would have posted this if I didn't have everything already thought out? You can't just post hackers as such especially on TL.net without solid proof.
EDIT: Also, with production tab hack you dont need to pan thru the FoW.
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Server: NA Your Name: Chief Hacker Name: ClubGlam Replay: http://drop.sc/26337 Description: Maphacking http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2396420/1/ClubGlam/
No scout, built proxy pylon outside my base and 2 gates... Watch his player cam to see him clearly looking at what I was doing in my base. Never goes up there but sends zealots right in. Oh right, this is on the new Antiga Shipyard (4 random spawns)
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On August 11 2011 15:08 Tassy wrote:Server: NA Your Name: Tassadar Hacker Name: Lone Replay: http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=226012Description: At 13:20 into the game, there is a dropship incoming to the red terran base (Lone's ally). For some reason which I believe are maphack, Lone pulls backs most of his army from the watchtower in the middle, even though he has no sight, nor has anything that could have told him the ennemy was about to pull off a drop then just sits in his ally base till the drops occurs, then leaves back and go into the middle. The army movement is so sudden and seems to have absolutely no reason that it seems to be maphack to me. This refers to: •Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.)
Hey this is Lone, I have been made aware that I'm being accused of being a hacker. I can assure you I was not hacking this game, my reason for having an army in my allies base is simple. If u noticed we had them contained in there base and my ally was doing a drop i was merely protecting my ally as he was doing an aggressive drop we had expo advantage and had them contained drops was the only option there team had.thanks for taking your time to read this. Im willing to fully co-operate with any further investigation. Keep me updated, thank you ~Lone
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Server: EU Your Name: Tmzz Hacker Name: Brutal Replay: [url blocked] Description: Something was weird about this game, he sniped my quick hidden 3rd, than he was perfectly placed for my doom drop and suddenly left the game. When i watched rep from his view i saw why. 1:40 - looking at my base thru FOW, sends a probe to block expo. 4:00 - peek at the ovi 4:08 - peek at base 14:50 - looks at my drop incomming. Im to lazy to post more timings.
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Hacker: ClubGlam Blind proxy, half a dozen or so base peeks, pretty open and shut case. Hacker.
Hacker: Lone Tough call. My initial reaction was that maybe this replay was only posted because Tassadar was butt-hurt over red being a smack-talking asshat or he was upset about the unpause when he was AFK (No offense is meant to Tassadar, who wouldnt be upset after a game like that). But after seeing the incident in question, this really has me perplexed. Blues army falling back for seemingly no reason and intercepting a drop like this and leaving the front line potentially vulnerable to attack is quite a questionable strategy, in my opinion. I guess one incident in a 22 minute game isn't exactly rock solid evidence either, not a single fog peek, camera never stops moving to be a lock camera hack. I guess i fall under the opinion of maybe it was a fluke, I guess we wait for more replays of him to appear. Also, maybe I'm just nitpicking but I raised an eyebrow at this:
On August 13 2011 13:16 Italianstallion wrote: Hey this is Lone, I can assure you I was not hacking this game.
Hacker: Brutal Stopped after 9 minutes. This guy just plain doesnt care, dozens of fog peeks, going straight for a third that he hasn't even scouted. Easy calls are fun. Hacker.
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Update incoming - thanks everyone for posting with their reviews. I'll go over and confirm everything now.
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Server: NA Your Name: epikMikah Hacker Name: phanster [Edit: AND GoSu] Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/175178-2v2-terran-protoss-zerg-discord-iv Description: While playing it, he seemed to have PERFECT timing to counter my late mutas. all the times listed below are through FOW.
phanster: 1:40 looks at ramp 5:30 looks at ramp, my base, allys base. 8:21 looks at ramp 8:49 looks at my base. 9:15 looks at gold expo 9:26 looks at gold expo 10:35 looks at gold expo 11:11 looks at gold expo ... ill stop here im sure for the next 10 minutes, he FOW cheats more. (including perfect marine timing to stim + block my mutas)
GoSu: 10:41 sends DT at gold base, then looks at it. decides not to go. 11:13 looks at ramp 11:14 looks at gold expo 14:04 looks at gold expo 15:22 looks at our army in middle 16:38 looks at gold base (and mutas) 20:58 anticipates our attack and comes right when tanks come.
Edit: pardon my language in the replay, it was frustrating to deal with map hackers.
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Definitely a maphack. Fog of war peeks, no scouting, so on and so forth. The 9:30-10:30 minute was easily 20+ base peeks.
Plenty of fog of war peeks, really just watch the last 30 seconds and it's obvious. He scouts your massive army through the fog, and realizes he has a handful of marines, calls you out, and leaves. Simple confirm.
On August 10 2011 17:59 Acechi wrote:Server: NA Your Name: Monchix Hacker Name: Bone Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?n1356v0i5ih8f0oI'm a bit reluctant to send the report as he never sees the void coming in for the attack, if he was maphacking. Also, this is the second hacker I've encountered this week alone, at the same grave night hours too.
Confirmed your timestamps, and he doesn't REACT to your void ray, but he panned over your stargate, and built an evo + spores in his mineral lines, they just weren't done before the VR showed up. Go to the 8:30 timestamp to see this. The fog of war peeks alone are proof enough.
However you found the replay aside, I took a look at it.
The early game is enough to the trained eye.
lol just kidding - I'm no specialist - but he dodges all sorts of scouting, pans his camera over the base through fog, pre-blocks off lings at his ramp, blocks expansions across the map, the bases that he blocked with drones got scouted through fog...
This one is a little tough, because the level of play is so...erm...bad. Really, if he didn't hover over your base for like 2 minutes, I'd assume he was just terrible and wasn't hacking. However I'm going to say he's hacking in some form because of that same hovering. The random pylon / ramp buildings could theoretically be dismissed as his level of play.
Ignoring everything else, just stick it on x8, watch his camera, and read the chatlog. He "scouts" you and tells the rest of the FFA, haha. Easy.
This one is a little tough. I saw the questionable spot, and it's for sure fishy, however I'm going to dismiss this as no hacks. It's just one incident, other than this there is no evidence...I can't confirm off this alone.
I'll tell you that the fastest progamers in Brood War are pushing like...600APM, and thats VERY FEW players at peak. Most don't even get that high ever. I think the fastest APM ever was like 700 apm by JulyZerg.. For this guy to peak at 1240ish is absurd. Funnily enough I didn't see any maphacks (or I missed them talking to my gf >>)...so just this blink-micro hack. THere are other times where they are not even selected and blinking.
And my honest opinion is that the micro hack was terrible it didn't even friggin work, your roaches demolished his stalkers haha.
I don't even think 900+apm is possible in either game..
I have around 15 timestamps written down of various things, but we'll keep it simple and say that he's got lots of fog peeks, lots of pre-moving units, finding DTs instantly...so on and so forth. He found some pylons without scouting them and they were quite out of the way of his push.
I don't see any hacks in this replay. His scan showed a CC being built...common sense says that it's going to be landing somewhere. His hellions were meeting up with some of his own rallied dropships, plus he didn't even react to the dropship until it was over top of his natural, and in his main...so he had three opportunities to see it, assuming he WASN'T hacking and he missed them all. No hacks here.
The initial scout is enough, but the probe sniping and finding without seeing them is further proof. Confirm.
It's suspicious, I'll agree with you guys on that. I am however, going to disagree that it's hacking for now. What races are you guys, ZZ? RR? RZ? If you guys are ZZ I can understand a forge block, the cannons are so strange though. I would ONLY be convinced it was a production tab hack, but I just...I need more replays. It sounds like a bunch of people see him on ladder, post and suspicious replays. With enough submissions I can turn it around, but I'm just not 100% convinced, and I need to be in order to confirm. Maybe Probe1 and I will talk about it. Definitely a name to keep an eye on. Or two. If it's worth anything, he doesn't call you an all-in scum until your lings are in vision of his buildings.
He might have just wanted to block you early on because he could...it's really just all to random to confirm it, and with only a single piece of evidence, it's not enough for me. Sorry!
On August 12 2011 17:01 Stra-toss wrote: Hacker Name: AfterMathDev Replay:http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/11812
The Dark Templar shenanigans are enough for me, also at 18:20 he pulls his creep-spreading queens back to save them from your advancing army. If it weren't for the insane DT snipes I would say no hacks, but I'm going to confirm here once Probe1 replies to my PM. It's a pretty tough call.
Definitely a hack, and I just want to reinforce to anyone reading this that it's rare to have a confirm off a lucky proxy, but this guy definitely commits everything before scouting at all, plus scoots his camera up he ramp under fog a few times.
On August 13 2011 13:52 TmzZ666 wrote: Hacker Name: Brutal Replay: [url blocked]
Around the 5:00 parts there was a lot of fog peeking as well, 7:23, 12:40. Then the overlords are seen through fog. Confirmed.
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On August 11 2011 15:08 Tassy wrote:Server: NA Your Name: Tassadar Hacker Name: Lone Replay: http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=226012Description: At 13:20 into the game, there is a dropship incoming to the red terran base (Lone's ally). For some reason which I believe are maphack, Lone pulls backs most of his army from the watchtower in the middle, even though he has no sight, nor has anything that could have told him the ennemy was about to pull off a drop then just sits in his ally base till the drops occurs, then leaves back and go into the middle. The army movement is so sudden and seems to have absolutely no reason that it seems to be maphack to me. This refers to: •Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.) Hey this is Lone, I have been made aware that I'm being accused of being a hacker. I can assure you I was not hacking, my reason for having an army in my allies base is simple. If u noticed we had them contained in there base and my ally was doing a drop i was merely protecting my ally as he was doing an aggressive drop we had expo advantage and had them contained drops was the only option there team had.thanks for taking your time to read this. Im willing to fully co-operate with any further investigation. Keep me updated, thank you ~Lone
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You just posted that, and if you actually read my official post, you'll see that you didn't get tagged as hacking.
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On August 14 2011 12:06 Torenhire wrote: You just posted that, and if you actually read my official post, you'll see that you didn't get tagged as hacking.
He's probably retarded lol.
User was warned for this post
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It just looks like he hit quote instead of edit.
Try and keep the insults out of this thread, thanks! ^^;;
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Show nested quote + On August 12 2011 17:01 Stra-toss wrote: Hacker Name: AfterMathDev Replay:http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/11812
The Dark Templar shenanigans are enough for me, also at 18:20 he pulls his creep-spreading queens back to save them from your advancing army. If it weren't for the insane DT snipes I would say no hacks, but I'm going to confirm here once Probe1 replies to my PM. It's a pretty tough call.
So Probe1 replied to my PM, and was like "lol dude you're stupid, lookie here" and I missed a really incriminating piece, so I went ahead and confirmed this. Just a smidge of an update.
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Server: NA Your Name: IDIOTEQUE Hacker Name: Fedaykin Replay: http://drop.sc/26738 Description: Maphacking
Seemed suspicious all game but blatant at:
14:45 pulls all probes to kill a nydus in fog of war 16:35 pulls all probes once again to kill a fogged nydus
there's probably more evidence but I did not bother looking besides these two obvious ones
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I was totally like that d00d like no wai theres totally maphacks! Like, check out the c8zy shit at the hand haha! Then my fingers exploded.
Easy add.
On August 15 2011 08:32 esk wrote:Server: NA Your Name: IDIOTEQUE Hacker Name: Fedaykin Replay: http://drop.sc/26738Description: Maphacking Seemed suspicious all game but blatant at: 14:45 pulls all probes to kill a nydus in fog of war 16:35 pulls all probes once again to kill a fogged nydus there's probably more evidence but I did not bother looking besides these two obvious ones + Show Spoiler +[CONFIRMED]Hacker Name: Fedaykin Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/25vSkpDescription: Predicts mutas are coming right as they leave the zerg's base, and has an army of stalkers that react to a last second change of direction by the mutas immediately. Oh, he can't see the mutas at this point either. Lots of other suspicious void ray movements. Same guy, same bollucks. 16:35 pulls all probes once again to kill a fogged nydus 100% damning. There were some lovely instances where he forcefielded a ramp the same time unseen units were going to come down it but there's no way he could have seen that nydus without a maphack. Add to it that he pulls every probe, it's just ridiuclous
Continual looks through the FOW as his opponent builds structures and of course, the proxy 2 gate with 0 scouting. I'm convinced it's a map hacker.
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Server: EU Your Name: Cow Hacker Name: Matt (http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2191736/1/Matt/) and vik (http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/676005/1/vik/) Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/XNnDgr Description: I played 2on2 with my mate Needless against Matt and vik. I have not yet watched from vik's perspective myself, but my mate did so. There are several indicators for maphack being used in this game. Throughout the whole game they watch directly at our units through fog several times. They start out with very early roachwarren but don't get any units but go multiexpand after confirming through fog that we are turtling as a response. Later in the game vik sends his zerglings at my "secret" expansion without scouting it once- not even looking there! The sadder thing is Matt seems more than likely to use some kind of roach-micro hack as well. Peaking his APM in combats at 300+, sometimes even over 400, while not even watching it. Don't know if there have been newer examples of these kind of hacks being used, haven't heard too much about them since season two.
Please confirm this, makes me want to cry.
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Not mine, but I post it on behalf of Betrayer, because he isn't confident in his english skills.
Server: EU PlayerName: Betrayer Hacker Name: OrdoabchaO Replay: http://www.4shared.com/file/eYvo_aWe/OrdoabchaO_vs_Betrayer.html Description: Maphacking
Some times - that are the highlights imo:
+ Show Spoiler + - After the 8 mins not scouting (from both sides, heh) - the accused collects his army and blindly moves out directly towards Betrayer's base. 8:06-8:11 - FOW peek and pan around his base, move out orders, then more - pretty much until 8:20 8:25 - perfect peek on the only unit that moved out through the fow 8:40 - such a brave advance, almost suicidal, unless you know there's nothing in front of you + a very short peek to the ramp. ---intermission, there might be things I haven't noticed--- 13:36 - 13:40 - another perfect peek through the fow 15:33 - peek to the gold and rally of all his production buildings there I stopped counting all the other very short camera movements on the border of his vision - imo too many of them and exactly looking at the army. -Also - funny ending :D Bottom line - I am 99% certain all of these in 1 game can't be anything else, but maphack.
This is my opinion on this replay, it's open to discussion.
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On August 15 2011 08:32 esk wrote:Server: NA Your Name: IDIOTEQUE Hacker Name: Fedaykin Replay: http://drop.sc/26738Description: Maphacking Previously confirmed hacker
On August 15 2011 08:49 nAm wrote:- Server: Europe - Your Name: nAm - Hacker Name: ToT - Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/pHn1tfhttp://replayfu.com/r/pHn1tf - Description: Proxy 2 gates in base, without scouting. Just check his vision. Proxy 2 gates without scouting are pretty damn suspicious. Proxy 2 gates with FOW scouting are pretty damn obvious.
On August 16 2011 04:02 CCow wrote:Server: EU Your Name: Cow Hacker Name: Matt (http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2191736/1/Matt/) and vik (http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/676005/1/vik/) Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/XNnDgrDescription: Map/Micro Definitely using a map hack with the rampant FOW looks and it looked like he was using a micro hack as well. Confirmed.
It was weird that he didn't scout. It was suspicious that he guessed right. It was painfully obvious between 15 and 17 minutes. Confirmed.
On August 18 2011 01:08 AysiktiriX wrote:Server: EU PlayerName: Betrayer Hacker Name: OrdoabchaO Replay: http://www.4shared.com/file/eYvo_aWe/OrdoabchaO_vs_Betrayer.htmlDescription: Maphacking + Show Spoiler + - After the 8 mins not scouting (from both sides, heh) - the accused collects his army and blindly moves out directly towards Betrayer's base. 8:06-8:11 - FOW peek and pan around his base, move out orders, then more - pretty much until 8:20 8:25 - perfect peek on the only unit that moved out through the fow 8:40 - such a brave advance, almost suicidal, unless you know there's nothing in front of you + a very short peek to the ramp. ---intermission, there might be things I haven't noticed--- 13:36 - 13:40 - another perfect peek through the fow 15:33 - peek to the gold and rally of all his production buildings there I stopped counting all the other very short camera movements on the border of his vision - imo too many of them and exactly looking at the army. -Also - funny ending :D Bottom line - I am 99% certain all of these in 1 game can't be anything else, but maphack. At first I wasn't entirely convinced but the attack on the gold base and the FOW look without a move command prior to it is definitely the lynch pin. Confirmed.
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 18 2011 02:03 TL AntiHack wrote:Previously confirmed hacker
Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 08:49 nAm wrote:- Server: Europe - Your Name: nAm - Hacker Name: ToT - Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/pHn1tfhttp://replayfu.com/r/pHn1tf - Description: Proxy 2 gates in base, without scouting. Just check his vision. Proxy 2 gates without scouting are pretty damn suspicious. Proxy 2 gates with FOW scouting are pretty damn obvious.
Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 04:02 CCow wrote:Server: EU Your Name: Cow Hacker Name: Matt (http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2191736/1/Matt/) and vik (http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/676005/1/vik/) Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/XNnDgrDescription: Map/Micro Definitely using a map hack with the rampant FOW looks and it looked like he was using a micro hack as well. Confirmed.
It was weird that he didn't scout. It was suspicious that he guessed right. It was painfully obvious between 15 and 17 minutes. Confirmed.
Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 01:08 AysiktiriX wrote:Server: EU PlayerName: Betrayer Hacker Name: OrdoabchaO Replay: http://www.4shared.com/file/eYvo_aWe/OrdoabchaO_vs_Betrayer.htmlDescription: Maphacking + Show Spoiler + - After the 8 mins not scouting (from both sides, heh) - the accused collects his army and blindly moves out directly towards Betrayer's base. 8:06-8:11 - FOW peek and pan around his base, move out orders, then more - pretty much until 8:20 8:25 - perfect peek on the only unit that moved out through the fow 8:40 - such a brave advance, almost suicidal, unless you know there's nothing in front of you + a very short peek to the ramp. ---intermission, there might be things I haven't noticed--- 13:36 - 13:40 - another perfect peek through the fow 15:33 - peek to the gold and rally of all his production buildings there I stopped counting all the other very short camera movements on the border of his vision - imo too many of them and exactly looking at the army. -Also - funny ending :D Bottom line - I am 99% certain all of these in 1 game can't be anything else, but maphack. At first I wasn't entirely convinced but the attack on the gold base and the FOW look without a move command prior to it is definitely the lynch pin. Confirmed. Could you confirm vik (the other guy on that team) as well? He send the lings to my expo without even looking there and such, definitely hacking as well.
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Right first time poster here, would have liked it too be a more cheerfull one but ah well.
Server: EU Your Name: Kamari Hacker Name: Duy Replay: http://drop.sc/27547 Description: Maphacking
Cross position on Tal'darim, he send a probe at the very start straight too my base into a corner. Watches my warpgates through the fog at 5:53. Checks on my army at 6:53. At 7:19 makes one zealot and sends it too kill my proxy pylon without knowing it's there. 7:56 warps in a zealot and rallies it straight at my probe outside his base through fog. 8:04 checks on my front of the base through fog. 8:17 he watches my tech again through fog.
I thought at first he just had a lucky scout on his initial probe as I didn't find him on any of the close ones. And when he stopped my first attempt I didn't think much about it since that is a somewhat common place to put down a pylon. But when he sends 4 zealots without scouting my second attempt then I start suspecting. And I grow more suspicious as he manages to always time his drops when my stalkers are gone. And when my probes return after the first storm drop he send the prism righ back.
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Server: NA Your Name: Monchix Hacker Name: AfterMathDev Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?58ayhb1nrp6s9y5 Description: Map hacking and possibly Production Tab hacking
@1:57 peeks probe (suspicious but not incriminating yet, as you will see @6:21)
@2:00 checks and blocks ramp immediately as soon as the forge goes down (suspicious but not incriminating when I noticed it at first, but upon further review, he does his check/block almost instantaneously the moment the forge pops on the production tab.)
@6:21 peeks zealot coming up the ramp (VERY incriminating)
@7:23 (peeks?)/sends Overlord/Roaches to the lone probe's proximity (suspicious, not incriminating)
This guy is possibly the hacker that I have the hardest time reviewing today, as he is disciplined and discrete when doing so. Although as much as I would like to say he is a hacker, I hold very little evidence against him. I hope the TL Antihack community could help me with this one!
Side Questions:
1.) Does the TL Antihack community directly contact/report to Blizzard for these hackers? Or is it just a community neighborhood watch thing?
2.) Do you guys know how long it takes for Blizzard to process/review the hackers? I have sent a bunch of replays of hackers and yet the hackers are still playing.
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Server: NA Your Name: Notails Hacker Name: Fedaykin Replay:
Description: PvP on Taldarim Altar.
He goes 10 forge and directly into my base. Even thou we were cross position. After a lot of trash talk from his part and a bad defense by me I manage to hold his cannon rush.
Few moments later, @8:50 I place a pylon outside his base, on a place where he clearly can't see form his main and he insta pull his probes and kills my pylon.
@16:50 he does a sudden look at my base for no apparently reason.
@18:15 he starts to move his army in the way to the bottom xel naga tower, when at the exact time I start to move out of my base. Then he does another sudden move, getting all his army back to his base for, again, no reason.
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On August 18 2011 11:56 Acechi wrote: Side Questions:
1.) Does the TL Antihack community directly contact/report to Blizzard for these hackers? Or is it just a community neighborhood watch thing?
2.) Do you guys know how long it takes for Blizzard to process/review the hackers? I have sent a bunch of replays of hackers and yet the hackers are still playing.
1) I contact Blizzard with replay packs. Once Probe1 and I are satisfied with a season as being "complete", I compile all of the replays into one big replay package. Then I hand it over to an email I've got for Blizzard. That's all I can say we do, because that's all I know. I've talked to someone in Blizzard a few times, but what they can do or choose to do with our replays that we confirm is unknown to me.
2) No idea.
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Fedaykin needs to die in a fire.
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Can't we do anything about Fedaykin? Like talk to a GM and send all the replays from him we can get? Maybe send a ticket to blizzard asking to talk directly to someone that can ban players from starcraft 2? I believe TL have enough 'power' to make that happen.
I am sorry if TL already do something like that. I just can't believe that this guy can just map hack for two seasons in a row and still play with the same account.
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Most of the time they are banned either by the time the replay pack is submitted or afterwards. In the meantime you can do is report them in game. Sorry for the empty answer.
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Server: SEA Your Name: Azera Hacker Name: xxXxx Replay: Replay 1 Replay 2 Description: Replay 1- He basically did not scout me at all and yet knew that I was cheesing him. The first few moments of the game it might not be obvious, but when he gets his mutas out, he seems to fly the away even before he sees my infestors. Also note how all his units are sent straight to my base even without him knowing.
Replay 2- I played him again and this time he deflects my cheese again. I'm not sure it's because I cheesed him the previous game though. His warp prism play is really suspicious though. He did not scout me (again) and still sent it straight to my base. Also, when he attacked with his voids, he did not see the Spore Crawlers and AA I had on the high ground in my base, but he still backed away.
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On August 20 2011 15:01 Azera wrote:Server: SEA Your Name: Azera Hacker Name: xxXxx Replay: Replay 1 Replay 2Description: Replay 1- He basically did not scout me at all and yet knew that I was cheesing him. The first few moments of the game it might not be obvious, but when he gets his mutas out, he seems to fly the away even before he sees my infestors. Also note how all his units are sent straight to my base even without him knowing. Replay 2- I played him again and this time he deflects my cheese again. I'm not sure it's because I cheesed him the previous game though. His warp prism play is really suspicious though. He did not scout me (again) and still sent it straight to my base. Also, when he attacked with his voids, he did not see the Spore Crawlers and AA I had on the high ground in my base, but he still backed away.
replay 1:
He knew where your base was because the drone ran away towards your base when the lings were chasing it.
At about 5.20 he gets a 2nd spine despite you having 6 lings, and him already having a spine. this also implies his 10pool/early first spine was safe play, not hacking. also in the first 5-6minutes he never looked at your base, while he may have seen on the mini map that you were building an early pool, it is by no means conlcusive.
at 21minutes where he pulls back, i think it was more the fact there were 2 spores and a queen, and he probably assumed you were coming.
If you look at his perspective in game 1, he NEVER looks at your base through the fog, NEVER. i believe he is simply a cautious player. i am convinced he was not hacking game 1.
game 2 he goes 12forge against your 6 pool without scouting, i honestly just think hes a cautious player. you get this a lot in lower skill levels. i have friends in bronze who will go hatch first, and their opponent will make 6 cannons at the ramp (not expanding just 1 base cannoning in) before doing anything else. seen it 2 or 3 times out of 10 games.
he did not send the warp prism to your base. he sent it top right then to your base.
sure he may have been avoiding being seen, but he also NEVER looked at your base through the fog, and you honestly cant say he was avoiding being seen not scouting the top right with any sense of certainty
he pulled back with voids after killing the nat which was an okay dicision, he knew there were lings out, and saw 2 spores retreating to the main. thinking that there are spores and a queen or two on high ground is a fair assumption. while a good player should have at least poked up to see whats going on, it is far from conclusive evidence. also, he didnt look up the hill through the fog. he wouldnt know via the mini map whether they are spines or spores.
In neither game did he look at your base through the fog at any point. not even once.
I simply think he is a bad player who is super cautious.
Verdict: Not a hacker, at best there inconclusive evidence. But by no stretch of the imagination enough to name him a hacker or even supsected hacker.
EDIT: btw im not one of the guys who organises this, im just giving my opinion on whether or not he hacks
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On August 12 2011 12:58 ProTech wrote:Server: NA Your Name: ProTech Hacker Name: CheeseTown / GTLBaby Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/GKK5FOkay first of all, I stream quite a bit so this happens frequently, however when I approached CheeseTown I told him if he was stream cheating then I will ignore it but he completely ignored me. The reason I am posting this is because there is a Grandmaster on their team and if he IS in fact cheating then he needs to be exposed. Anyway, you'll notice how they open dual forge at our ramps but completely disregard it and make cannons at their base without scouting my 6 pool. The reason I went 6 pool is because I've lost to these guys 100x with their proxies etc. EVEN IF my overlord scouted it that does not justify not making cannons, because if i opened ANYTHING BUT 6 POOL we would have EASILY been contained. But they didnt scout the pool and still backed off and completely countered what we were doing. It was completely blind.
Can't say they were hacking, likely they were stream cheating. They never once looked through the fog of war and did a wall off on your bottom ramp before your pool was up then left, if they had seen the pool first with ANY hacks they wouldn't have proxied their forge/pylon and they could have built a cannon to contain you anyways even though you did 6 pool because of the choke of the ramp.
I like how you both accuse the other of being cheesy players when thats essentially mostly what occurs in 2v2 xD. But honestly stream cheater not hacker and the rest of your posts seem to really be digging deep to call a stream cheater a hacker (someone who's camera stays in one position for a long time is alt tabbed looking at a stream).
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On August 21 2011 06:21 Hipsv wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 12:58 ProTech wrote:Server: NA Your Name: ProTech Hacker Name: CheeseTown / GTLBaby Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/GKK5FOkay first of all, I stream quite a bit so this happens frequently, however when I approached CheeseTown I told him if he was stream cheating then I will ignore it but he completely ignored me. The reason I am posting this is because there is a Grandmaster on their team and if he IS in fact cheating then he needs to be exposed. Anyway, you'll notice how they open dual forge at our ramps but completely disregard it and make cannons at their base without scouting my 6 pool. The reason I went 6 pool is because I've lost to these guys 100x with their proxies etc. EVEN IF my overlord scouted it that does not justify not making cannons, because if i opened ANYTHING BUT 6 POOL we would have EASILY been contained. But they didnt scout the pool and still backed off and completely countered what we were doing. It was completely blind. Can't say they were hacking, likely they were stream cheating. They never once looked through the fog of war and did a wall off on your bottom ramp before your pool was up then left, if they had seen the pool first with ANY hacks they wouldn't have proxied their forge/pylon and they could have built a cannon to contain you anyways even though you did 6 pool because of the choke of the ramp. I like how you both accuse the other of being cheesy players when thats essentially mostly what occurs in 2v2 xD. But honestly stream cheater not hacker and the rest of your posts seem to really be digging deep to call a stream cheater a hacker (someone who's camera stays in one position for a long time is alt tabbed looking at a stream). Or they have a hack with camera lock. Need more reps of those guys to call it, unless they do a sorcery and admit to hacking.
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On August 21 2011 06:21 Hipsv wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 12:58 ProTech wrote:Server: NA Your Name: ProTech Hacker Name: CheeseTown / GTLBaby Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/GKK5FOkay first of all, I stream quite a bit so this happens frequently, however when I approached CheeseTown I told him if he was stream cheating then I will ignore it but he completely ignored me. The reason I am posting this is because there is a Grandmaster on their team and if he IS in fact cheating then he needs to be exposed. Anyway, you'll notice how they open dual forge at our ramps but completely disregard it and make cannons at their base without scouting my 6 pool. The reason I went 6 pool is because I've lost to these guys 100x with their proxies etc. EVEN IF my overlord scouted it that does not justify not making cannons, because if i opened ANYTHING BUT 6 POOL we would have EASILY been contained. But they didnt scout the pool and still backed off and completely countered what we were doing. It was completely blind. Can't say they were hacking, likely they were stream cheating. They never once looked through the fog of war and did a wall off on your bottom ramp before your pool was up then left, if they had seen the pool first with ANY hacks they wouldn't have proxied their forge/pylon and they could have built a cannon to contain you anyways even though you did 6 pool because of the choke of the ramp. I like how you both accuse the other of being cheesy players when thats essentially mostly what occurs in 2v2 xD. But honestly stream cheater not hacker and the rest of your posts seem to really be digging deep to call a stream cheater a hacker (someone who's camera stays in one position for a long time is alt tabbed looking at a stream).
Protech is usually pretty diligent studying the reps, could be camera lock if they don't look through the fog - on Protech's stream yesterday Kice looked pretty much like he was doing that but he hasn't been reported on here yet so I won't comment. If there are more reps of those guys that other people have that would be ideal for diagnosing hacking Also 2v2 cheese is different, something thats "cheese in 1v1" eg. 6pool is just a safe build in 2v2 if they cheese, no need to derail the discussion, this thread if about hacking
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Server: NA Your Name: Dragon Hacker Name: RatZDeezer Replay: http://drop.sc/28845 Description: Maphacking
Hello, I'm posting this on behalf of SlayersDragon who is a featured streamer on TL.
Only reason I'm posting this for him is because his English is not so good and he could not figure out how to use the various replay upload websites such as www.sc2replayed.com and www.drop.sc. If there's a problem with this I'm sure Probe or Torenhire can let me know.
It is rumored that Deezer likes to stream cheat but as Dragon has told everyone in Channel Dragon, he has put a 20 second delay on his stream just to prevent things like this from happening.
@ 10:37: After being contained in his base by sentries, Dragon pushes out with a factory to scout Deezer. However, Deezer immediatly selects all his units and clicks it in the direction of the factory. These two screenshots will show how this is occuring.
Full Vision at the Timeframe: http://www.boyevul.com/?v=q2Pjn.jpg Deezer's Vision at the Timeframe with the mouseclick shown: http://www.boyevul.com/?v=w6AM9.jpg
I understand Factories are slow while moving in the air but if there is a stream delay then Deezer shouldn't have reacted so quickly to the factory moving.
Later when confronted by this in the next game. Deezer's response was Standard Drop Timing bro, too ez.
Out of five games in a row that Deezer has sniped Dragon, he has scouted his base first out of 4 possible locations. The odds of that happening are 1/4 * 1/4 * 1/4 well you get the point
Therefore Dragon thinks this is maphacking instead of normal stream cheating, however I'll leave that up to the antihack team.
Anyways, thank you for checking this out.
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Right after that, Deezer also FF'd the ramp the instant stimmed marines tried to come down without seeing them I believe. he's also never built an observer, though that is more likely because he stream cheats.
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*LoL* Maybe i was checking for a drop im not a fking bronze league scrub like you son. I know my timing gtfo k
User was temp banned for this post.
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On August 21 2011 20:45 CruisEric wrote: Right after that, Deezer also FF'd the ramp the instant stimmed marines tried to come down without seeing them I believe. he's also never built an observer, though that is more likely because he stream cheats.
There was also a drop made by dragon that Deezer "saw". This was in the late 10minutes of the game I believe.
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I've watched the replay and I'll post my thoughts a bit later after I've had time to consider the circumstances surrounding the simultaneous accusations of stream cheating.
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Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list): Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move) Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though. Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there. Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.)
You can can read ur own rule
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On August 21 2011 21:02 Deezer wrote: *LoL* Maybe i was checking for a drop im not a fking bronze league scrub like you son. I know my timing gtfo k why are you 50% of the people he plays if you dont stream cheat and you stream cheat, not maphack, we know that - -
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It would be stream cheating except for the fact that Dragon put a delay on his stream because of it.
The instant reaction to the factory moving out in the replay above will pretty much prove otherwise.
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On August 21 2011 21:33 Itallion wrote: It would be stream cheating except for the fact that Dragon put a delay on his stream because of it.
The instant reaction to the factory moving out in the replay above will pretty much prove otherwise. factories are slow and dragons delay isnt that long
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Is deezer stream cheating? Most likely. Is he map hacking? There's not enough proof to say he does. Finding that factory was luck (why would he go attack that factory anyway?) and I dont see any other things that could indicate maphacking. Some of you mention the FF on the ramp, when he went for the factory, this is pretty standard play, nothing weird about it.
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On August 21 2011 21:39 lyrlian wrote: Is deezer stream cheating? Most likely. Is he map hacking? There's not enough proof to say he does. Finding that factory was luck (why would he go attack that factory anyway?) and I dont see any other things that could indicate maphacking. Some of you mention the FF on the ramp, when he went for the factory, this is pretty standard play, nothing weird about it.
Why would you deny enemy scouting?
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On August 21 2011 21:39 lyrlian wrote: Is deezer stream cheating? Most likely. Is he map hacking? There's not enough proof to say he does. Finding that factory was luck (why would he go attack that factory anyway?) and I dont see any other things that could indicate maphacking. Some of you mention the FF on the ramp, when he went for the factory, this is pretty standard play, nothing weird about it.
So his units are just chilling there not moving, and all of a sudden a factory moves out and he's all over it moving all his units around checking for drops...?
Not a single observer all game?
w.e
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On August 21 2011 21:42 Mootland wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 21:39 lyrlian wrote: Is deezer stream cheating? Most likely. Is he map hacking? There's not enough proof to say he does. Finding that factory was luck (why would he go attack that factory anyway?) and I dont see any other things that could indicate maphacking. Some of you mention the FF on the ramp, when he went for the factory, this is pretty standard play, nothing weird about it. Why would you deny enemy scouting?
Even if he would maphack he wouldnt give it away by attacking a scouting factory >_> It ain't that important is what im trying to say.
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On August 21 2011 21:56 lyrlian wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 21:42 Mootland wrote:On August 21 2011 21:39 lyrlian wrote: Is deezer stream cheating? Most likely. Is he map hacking? There's not enough proof to say he does. Finding that factory was luck (why would he go attack that factory anyway?) and I dont see any other things that could indicate maphacking. Some of you mention the FF on the ramp, when he went for the factory, this is pretty standard play, nothing weird about it. Why would you deny enemy scouting? Even if I would maphack he wouldnt give it away by attacking a scouting factory >_> It ain't that important is what im trying to say.
You're not Deezer are you bro?
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FORMAT Server: NA Your Name: Snowical Hacker Name: RaTZDeezer Replay:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN7q95MZzw0 Description: Obvious drophack/Maphack Also stream cheating.
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Okay. That's not you first off all and second that isn't the format. Youtube videos are not accepted, even if they are damning.
lyrlian echos my official stance. There isn't enough proof that Deezer was using a map hack. We can all agree that watching someones stream while playing them is a dick move. But it's not against the terms of service and it isn't using an illegal program to gain an advantage. On a final note: If Deezer was a map hacker you'd think there would be more reports considering the amount of exposure he has. Deezer may be one of the villains in this telenovela but there is no evidence that he used a hack.
Let's all learn to delay our streams from this.
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On August 22 2011 23:22 Probe1 wrote: Okay. That's not you first off all and second that isn't the format. Youtube videos are not accepted, even if they are damning.
lyrlian echos my official stance. There isn't enough proof that Deezer was using a map hack. We can all agree that watching someones stream while playing them is a dick move. But it's not against the terms of service and it isn't using an illegal program to gain an advantage. On a final note: If Deezer was a map hacker you'd think there would be more reports considering the amount of exposure he has. Deezer may be one of the villains in this telenovela but there is no evidence that he used a hack.
Let's all learn to delay our streams from this.
enough evidence for me(us) even if you want to turn a blind eye.
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If you want to point out the things I've missed after watching the replay four times then I welcome it. Otherwise I'm not changing my mind on the first replay submitted. I'll gladly take the second replay into account as soon as it is submitted. An actual replay mind you, not a youtube video.
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Server: NA Your Name:Kevlar.594 Hacker Name: OzzyOzzyOzzy http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/244428/2/OzzYOzzYOzzY/ Replay: im afraid i havnt gotten the pleasure of playing him...
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/244428/2/OzzYOzzYOzzY/
im going to say needssuspicious, as i have no replay proof of him drop hacking, but i look at his season 3 1v1 match history, not a single one goes past 3 minutes. he has 2269 wins this season, and build orders for the enemies side are blank, with nothing built. so please check out his bnet profile, and please consider my post worthy even without a replay
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On August 23 2011 01:13 bucckevin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 23:22 Probe1 wrote: Okay. That's not you first off all and second that isn't the format. Youtube videos are not accepted, even if they are damning.
lyrlian echos my official stance. There isn't enough proof that Deezer was using a map hack. We can all agree that watching someones stream while playing them is a dick move. But it's not against the terms of service and it isn't using an illegal program to gain an advantage. On a final note: If Deezer was a map hacker you'd think there would be more reports considering the amount of exposure he has. Deezer may be one of the villains in this telenovela but there is no evidence that he used a hack.
Let's all learn to delay our streams from this. enough evidence for me(us) even if you want to turn a blind eye.
just to chip in some knowledge, Deezer was a heavy heavy map hacker in WC3, under the name MANUBOT (very well known among war3 community). This doesn't say much, but it shows that he is quite willing and comfy with mh
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On August 23 2011 04:47 DuckS wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 01:13 bucckevin wrote:On August 22 2011 23:22 Probe1 wrote: Okay. That's not you first off all and second that isn't the format. Youtube videos are not accepted, even if they are damning.
lyrlian echos my official stance. There isn't enough proof that Deezer was using a map hack. We can all agree that watching someones stream while playing them is a dick move. But it's not against the terms of service and it isn't using an illegal program to gain an advantage. On a final note: If Deezer was a map hacker you'd think there would be more reports considering the amount of exposure he has. Deezer may be one of the villains in this telenovela but there is no evidence that he used a hack.
Let's all learn to delay our streams from this. enough evidence for me(us) even if you want to turn a blind eye. just to chip in some knowledge, Deezer was a heavy heavy map hacker in WC3, under the name MANUBOT (very well known among war3 community). This doesn't say much, but it shows that he is quite willing and comfy with mh
there's other well known people in the community that map hacked or whatever in previous times. We can keep that in mind going over things, but we can't jump to conclusions.
We're not turning a blind eye, in fact Probe1 and I have talked via PM about it. You're entitled to your own opinions, as we are entitled to ours, and ultimately, whether you agree with the list or not is on yourself. I'm sorry if that upsets anyone that we're not going to jump onto Deezer and say MAPHACKS!!!! I'm especially sorry if that upsets SlayerS_Dragon. What Probe1 and I need to decide if it's proof enough for maphacks, or if it's just a case of stream cheating or something along those lines.
Rest assured, we know something is 'wrong' but stream cheating and maphacking are two completely different realms of "rule breaking." One is morally bad, and the other is a punishable action.
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my friend just played against pingon . wow what a cheater. but he still lost lol. was funny
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Deezer vs Dragon replay notes:
6:40 when he warps in a lone stalker to kill the SCV for his mineral lines...It's fishy, his stalker catches a red blip for like...a TEEEEEEEEEEEEENY second. Feasible he saw the SCV. But he clicks his stalker RIGHT to it under FOW. He knew the SCV was coming, but not where it went. He found it IMMEDIATELY. Suspicious.
8:40, set to "faster" and watch from Deezer's POV. Open APM tab....up up up up....then all the way down to like...4. This is a possible camera lock if all he is doing is panning the camera. If he clicks on something, it'll create an "action" and ping his APM. It'll also show in the bottom box what he clicked on. He doesn't do ANYTHING. It just trickles to zero, his camera stands completely still. I guess he could be picking his nose but he's got a really weak contain put up, and I'd not be sitting still in his position. Still, can't say map hacks on this part.
The famous 10:37 part.
Dragon says that he has a 20 second delay on his stream. Give or take a second or two for latency or w/e.
He lifts his factory, and gives it a move command and it turns and starts to fly. It is starting to fly away from his base at 10:17.
20 second delay?
Puts us right at 10:37 - which is when Deezer moves out to snipe the factory. Judging from his camera and move command, I think he wasn't expecting it to be that far away from Dragon's base.
The scan on the ramp is enough to warrant force-fielding the ramp. IMO.
I think he's definitely stream cheating, but not map hacking. At least I don't have enough evidence to say that he's definitely a maphacker, but the video plus the suspicious business in the rep are enough to say that there's a potential for it to be happening, and he's hiding it well.
I didn't go back and check timestamps on the SCV, but it's possible Deezer saw where Dragon sent the SCV via stream cheats. It would be very difficult to prove map hacking in this instance because - keep in mind - that Deezer has Dragon's camera view in another monitor or something. He doesn't HAVE to Fog of War peek because he's got Dragon's FP view.
I think though, if he was maphacking, we would know by now, since he's such a big name.
I hope SlayerS_Dragon understands my reasoning here. ^_^;;
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Link to the actual article? Edit: I can't find anything on PlayXP about what you're saying (V_V)
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Deezer definitely maphacks, hes pretty lowly. Also glad to see ToT got caught after 3 seasons of obvious hacking.
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On August 23 2011 18:56 JediGamer wrote: Deezer definitely maphacks, hes pretty lowly. Also glad to see ToT got caught after 3 seasons of obvious hacking.
Well I can't refute that proof.
If he maphacks, why haven't I been given a single replay from anyone who's ever played him to prove it? He stream cheats, I'll agree with that. But I have no proof of maphacks from what you guys (who are so quick to condem him) are giving me.
Ergo, we can't say he is maphacking.
And yes, I realize I'm playing the "bad guy" by not throwing shit all over his face. I'm not here to slander, I'm here to compile a list of HACKERS (not stream cheaters, LARGE difference) and submit it to Blizzard.
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On August 21 2011 18:52 LonelyCat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 06:21 Hipsv wrote:
Can't say they were hacking, likely they were stream cheating. They never once looked through the fog of war and did a wall off on your bottom ramp before your pool was up then left, if they had seen the pool first with ANY hacks they wouldn't have proxied their forge/pylon and they could have built a cannon to contain you anyways even though you did 6 pool because of the choke of the ramp.
I like how you both accuse the other of being cheesy players when thats essentially mostly what occurs in 2v2 xD. But honestly stream cheater not hacker and the rest of your posts seem to really be digging deep to call a stream cheater a hacker (someone who's camera stays in one position for a long time is alt tabbed looking at a stream). Protech is usually pretty diligent studying the reps, could be camera lock if they don't look through the fog - on Protech's stream yesterday Kice looked pretty much like he was doing that but he hasn't been reported on here yet so I won't comment. If there are more reps of those guys that other people have that would be ideal for diagnosing hacking Also 2v2 cheese is different, something thats "cheese in 1v1" eg. 6pool is just a safe build in 2v2 if they cheese, no need to derail the discussion, this thread if about hacking
Yeah, but what they do doesn't make any sense, because if they seen the 6 pool they would have just built the cannon and then another pylon there and he would have still been contained. They don't respond properly to the strategies that are executed after and their camera moves around freely for every other point in the game except for a little bit at the beginning where its pointing at their own base.
I find it a VERY hard stretch to say that they have a hacking program that locks the camera when 1) Their reaction to the opening was stupid 2) Their reaction to the follow up was stupid 3) They don't pan the camera into any place that they wouldn't normally without any action taken, and their camera "locks" are more consistent with someone alt tabbing than with someone using a hack.
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deezer y you so mad bro? you busted son now please leave..
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Server: NA Your Name: Monchix Hacker Name: MercPargasus Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?31fdpwab32wwo8t Description: Map hacking
Excessive peeking, here are the timestamps:
2:37, 2:57, 4:00, 4:57, 5:48, 6:22, 8:25, 10:56, 11:21, 11:46, 12:26 and 13:18
On a side note, here's MercPargasus and his buddy getting owned on LAGtv 2v2.
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[QUOTE]On August 14 2011 02:06 Adam4167 wrote: Hacker: ClubGlam Blind proxy, half a dozen or so base peeks, pretty open and shut case. Hacker.
I was just about to report this guy myself. 100% confirmed for maphacks in my game. Completely blind 2gate proxy, checked my base constantly, etc.
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I'm not trying to argue against the deezer decision because I fully understand your reasoning, but just saying that *if* you both maphack AND stream cheat at the same time, it's a lot less obvious that you're map hacking because you don't need to look stuff the stream shows you, plus it gives you an alibi. Also I'd say you aren't getting more deezer mh reports BECAUSE he's a known stream cheater, and everyone just assumes he's getting his info from stream cheating.
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The drophack and all that on the Deezer was so obvious, immedielty when he knew he couldn't win just instant drop hack.
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u mad brah?
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Server: EU Your Name: Destro Hacker Name: PVPFreaK Replay: http://www.starcraft2.fi/replay/lataa.php?id=5226 Description: So I played this game and I lost because the other player built 2 gateways inside my base without even scouting me. At the beginning of the game he immediately sent his probe to my base even though there are 3 possible spawning locations! He even hid his scouting probe just before my scouting probe would have seen his scouting probe and after my probe had passed he immediately moved his probe inside base.
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On August 24 2011 08:41 Acechi wrote:Server: NA Your Name: Monchix Hacker Name: MercPargasusReplay: http://www.mediafire.com/?31fdpwab32wwo8tDescription: Map hacking Excessive peeking, here are the timestamps: 2:37, 2:57, 4:00, 4:57, 5:48, 6:22, 8:25, 10:56, 11:21, 11:46, 12:26 and 13:18 On a side note, here's MercPargasus and his buddy getting owned on LAGtv 2v2.
This was so... bad, that I wasn't sure if it was maphacking, or just bad luck with the camera movement(not to mention the dt surprise)... until the 11 min timestamps. Several "right on" army peeks, added to the previous ones were enough to convince me.
On another note: Mod Warnings : On September 09 2010 02:50 Plexa wrote: If people fuck with this thread then they're taking a trip to disneyland
On September 09 2010 02:32 JWD wrote: Frivolous reports will be cause for warn/ban. Please keep this thread civil and reasonable people!
So many people already deserve warn/temp ban imo.
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On August 25 2011 01:46 DestroSC2 wrote:Server: EU Your Name: Destro Hacker Name: PVPFreaK Replay: http://www.starcraft2.fi/replay/lataa.php?id=5226Description: So I played this game and I lost because the other player built 2 gateways inside my base without even scouting me. At the beginning of the game he immediately sent his probe to my base even though there are 3 possible spawning locations! He even hid his scouting probe just before my scouting probe would have seen his scouting probe and after my probe had passed he immediately moved his probe inside base.
No need to watch after the 1st minute. One of the most obvious and blatant maphackers I've ever seen.
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Server: KR Your Name: NosWinfrozz Hacker(????) Name: toko Replay: http://drop.sc/29134 Description: Weird game. Very hard to tell if he is maphacking or not... I hope you can see if you just watch the replay.. Take a good look at 8:12 , 8:40 , 10:06 , 10:17.
If he is maphacking he is hiding it good. take a look, plz!
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On August 25 2011 03:31 Winterfrozz wrote:Server: KR Your Name: NosWinfrozz Hacker(????) Name: toko Replay: http://drop.sc/29134 Description: Weird game. Very hard to tell if he is maphacking or not... I hope you can see if you just watch the replay.. Take a good look at 8:12 , 8:40 , 10:06 , 10:17. If he is maphacking he is hiding it good. take a look, plz!
Damn... indeed he is hiding it well, IF he is maphacking. All of these peeks/random lucky strikes/sudden decisions "could" have been pure coincidence, everything he did can be logically explained. This replay smells fishy to me, but not enough to say he is maphacking, based only on this one, I need at least 1 more similar to this. For now - my opinion is not enough evidence.
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On August 25 2011 03:31 Winterfrozz wrote:Server: KR Your Name: NosWinfrozz Hacker(????) Name: toko Replay: http://drop.sc/29134 Description: Weird game. Very hard to tell if he is maphacking or not... I hope you can see if you just watch the replay.. Take a good look at 8:12 , 8:40 , 10:06 , 10:17. If he is maphacking he is hiding it good. take a look, plz!
Ugh, it's so suspicious, but there is nothing concrete. I will for sure say that either he is SUPER lucky or maphacking, and I'm leaning towards maphacking.
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Server: NA Your Name: mevietSAGA Hacker(????) Name:RaKanaR Replay: http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=228184 Description: I'm actually hesitant to post this since there's only one 'hacking action' near the end. But imo, it was either extremely lucky, or he let slip he was hacking, cause he left immediately after.
PvP on XNC with me testing 13/13 gate. He opens standard 9 pylon/ 12 gate, and when he gets gas, his apm drops to 0 (imo he's checking my base with cam-lock feature). Here, he sees me throwing down my 2nd gate. Pretty soon after, he throws down a 2nd gate. Again all this is inconclusive, but I'm suspicious, cause in the replay, he gets supply capped suggesting he's not fluent with the build ( gate -> gas -> gate). For a diamond player, that is a pretty bad build. Now if he happened to see my 2nd gate, then the build would make alot more sense. But he never probe scouted me.
Again all of this is inconclusive, but then near the 9:30 mins mark I sent out a probe to proxy a pylon behind the bush in Tasteless's secret hallway. He reacts to this by pulling his stalker trying to catch my probe with NO vision of the probe ever leaving. As soon as he saw my probe, he left. IMO it's cause he realised he just gave himself away.
Really, only reason I even checked the rep cause I've been looking for a 2gate build in PvP (i'm Z), so after seeing his 2gates build I made a point to check the rep.
Random suspicious Thought: He typed 'lo wfps' randomly mid-game. He could be just testing the hack and chatting to someone else, since this was in a custom game.
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Server: NA Your Name: Darklust Hacker(????) Name:Gangstarr Replay: http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=228200 Description: This guy spent a lot of the game looking thew the FOW at my base, blind countering me and reacting to my army movements. I'm not that great if you watch it I know but it's pretty blatant. It's pretty obvious at the beginning when he is checking out my fast expo and during every encounter.
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Server: NA Your Name: StarStrider Hacker(????) Name: Gangstarr Replay: http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=download&id=228208 Description: I realized I was maphacked by this guy after Darklust (above post) contacted me in game asking if my replay of my following game vs. him was suspicious. I checked it and sure enough, Gangstarr was taking long looks into my base, yet he never scouted me, never saw one building, but yet he looked in the correct location...into empty fog of war. He seems to be wary of looking too much, and once he sees something that alerts him, he prepares for it by watching the minimap. For instance, my hellion drop was met with his entire force under it, even though I was 100% certain that he did not know it was coming. I mean, there is really no reason to explain all the tells of his maphack, it's obvious if you watch the replay. He had the perfect counter to everything I did even tho I had a very balanced unit mix. What's sad for him is I almost beat him despite the hack.
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On August 25 2011 20:02 me_viet wrote:Server: NA Your Name: mevietSAGA Hacker(????) Name: RaKanaRReplay: http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=228184Description: I'm actually hesitant to post this since there's only one 'hacking action' near the end. But imo, it was either extremely lucky, or he let slip he was hacking, cause he left immediately after. PvP on XNC with me testing 13/13 gate. He opens standard 9 pylon/ 12 gate, and when he gets gas, his apm drops to 0 (imo he's checking my base with cam-lock feature). Here, he sees me throwing down my 2nd gate. Pretty soon after, he throws down a 2nd gate. Again all this is inconclusive, but I'm suspicious, cause in the replay, he gets supply capped suggesting he's not fluent with the build ( gate -> gas -> gate). For a diamond player, that is a pretty bad build. Now if he happened to see my 2nd gate, then the build would make alot more sense. But he never probe scouted me. Again all of this is inconclusive, but then near the 9:30 mins mark I sent out a probe to proxy a pylon behind the bush in Tasteless's secret hallway. He reacts to this by pulling his stalker trying to catch my probe with NO vision of the probe ever leaving. As soon as he saw my probe, he left. IMO it's cause he realised he just gave himself away. Really, only reason I even checked the rep cause I've been looking for a 2gate build in PvP (i'm Z), so after seeing his 2gates build I made a point to check the rep. Random suspicious Thought: He typed 'lo wfps' randomly mid-game. He could be just testing the hack and chatting to someone else, since this was in a custom game.
Honestly, only the ending is surprising/strange - nothing else is, he is surprised by your stalkers around 7:30 min mark, when chasing yours, his peeks are always into the "emptyness" and I didn't notice camera lock... I'd say - not enough evidence. If he has a hack, it could be a production one and I don't know what to look for in this case.
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Server: NA Your Name: Darklust HackerName: Gangstarr
Server: NA Your Name: StarStrider Hacker Name: Gangstarr
Yeah, even one of these 2 replays is enough to damn him - consistent "spot on" army & base fow peeks, etc, etc. The two of them together... confirmed 100%
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Ah.. Ok I can't tell if he is hacking or not either >_<
Thanks for taking time and watching replay tho. I will try to get more reps of that player! thx~
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Server: NA Your Name:Source Hacker Name: katieshay Replay: http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=228396 Description: Clearly map hacking throughout the game, I hid a probe in another base immidiatlley he sends lings to it. I was like ok that happens, He then takes his second base far from his main. I spot it and i prox a pylon to cannon it. He sends the same lings exactly where my pylon is in the fow. There was no way he could see my probe or pylon. Later on i send a probe and zealot to scout a potential 3rd for me, he again sends lings when i move out. He doesnt have any scouts he doesnt see what im doing unless hes hacking. Then the icing on the cake i was planning a fake drop on his north base but really blink stalker harrass his main from the south hidden entrance. Once i blink down he immidately sends all lings to his main. stopping my attack. At first i was like he must of had great scouts, but he never saw any of my movements when i watched from his pov. The funny thing is his pov doesnt show him look at my base or anything or looking through fow so i dont know if this is a new hack or an old one.
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On August 27 2011 03:46 source11 wrote:Server: NA Your Name:Source Hacker Name: katieshay Replay: http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=228396Description: Clearly map hacking throughout the game, I hid a probe in another base immidiatlley he sends lings to it. I was like ok that happens, He then takes his second base far from his main. I spot it and i prox a pylon to cannon it. He sends the same lings exactly where my pylon is in the fow. There was no way he could see my probe or pylon. Later on i send a probe and zealot to scout a potential 3rd for me, he again sends lings when i move out. He doesnt have any scouts he doesnt see what im doing unless hes hacking. Then the icing on the cake i was planning a fake drop on his north base but really blink stalker harrass his main from the south hidden entrance. Once i blink down he immidately sends all lings to his main. stopping my attack. At first i was like he must of had great scouts, but he never saw any of my movements when i watched from his pov. The funny thing is his pov doesnt show him look at my base or anything or looking through fow so i dont know if this is a new hack or an old one.
Hah, I guess this guy was like "well, if I only watch at the minimap (since I didn't notice a camera lock, but I might have missed it), there's no way they can tell if I am using a maphack, or not." But... several timestamps, I bet if the game went longer there would have been more: 3:36 - perfect spot-on attack move to the probe, notice no previous scouting anywhere. 4:54 - ... even these 2 would have been enough to me 8:57 - this isn't so suspicious, maybe he decided to go scout... but imo - not, since after that, he doesn't try to check the other ramp. But to top it all - all he sees 11:29 is a warp prism, moving out for a top expansion. What is his reply - notice - seconds after the prostss blinks his stalkers to the low ground 11:32 > all lings to the main and after that a perfect intercept at 11:50. Wow, and he thinks simply not looking at the other player's base is enough? Maphacker confirmed.
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Server: NA Your Name: Corrupted Hacker Name: TheLunatic Replay: http://drop.sc/29652 Description:
So when I started playing, I suddenly have a feeling that somebody is controling my units. My mouse occasionally would spasm and whenever i try moving the screen, it would always go back to my hatcheries, as if somebody was spamming my 4 control group.
3:11 drones get pulled off. now it has units selected but I ASSURE you that I didnt not do that... 3:12 random units get pulled off that DON'T have united selected. This guy has 20 apm but it shoots up to 60+ but he's not doing anything really.. he doesn't go check my base every (through fog) but either him or somebody managed to start controling my units.
(I have to go, I will return and have more timestamps)
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Server: NA Your Name: SouCHe Hacker Name: OMAGA Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/12344 Description: Map Hacking
im 99.9 % sure this is some kind of map hack... looks like he can see my units on the minimap... It would be nice if you download the replay and comeback with you toughts...
Thanks!
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Server: NA Your Name: WarMagi - Zerg Hacker Name: test - Protoss Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?f7pvbi49gma2bzw Description: Map Hacking
Playing the game I thought something was weird when he went directly to my base w/o a scout, watching the replay confirmed it. Some things I noted. I left out some smaller ones which could have been coincidence
If you could look at the replay and let me know your thoughts, that'd be great, I've reported him to battlenet, sadly I bet nothing happens, looking at his record he's rank #1 silver and won most of his past games. If you play him report him. Feels good to beat a map hacker
Watch from hacker's POV 2:34 - goes directly to my expansion w/o having scouted and builds a pylon 6:45 - looks at zerglings & morphing lair through fog of war (FOW) 8:15 - looks at my expansion & my main through fog of war (FOW) 9:30 - looks at the new evo chamber through fog of war (FOW) 11:29 - looks at my group of muta's flying towards his base through fog of war (FOW) 12:59 - looks exactly at the 3rd I've just taken through fog of war (FOW) 21:54 - looks directly at my army as it is moving out through fog of war (FOW) 22:28 - looks at my main force as it's moving towards his base through fog of war (FOW)
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remove entire post sorry. Confused with 2 diff players.
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Fireblast : WOW this is definitly a map hack, not a single doubt in my mind... If you can check the replay i posted just before you and comment back to me, it would be nice. Even tough my replay if less convincing, im still sure i was map hacked in that game, especially the part where he snipes my overlords...
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On August 28 2011 12:16 JediGamer wrote: remove entire post sorry. Confused with 2 diff players. all I found after searching was a hilarious replay between idra and avilo titled avilo mass nukes idra ragequits.
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On August 28 2011 12:59 BigBoss99 wrote: Even tough my replay if less convincing, im still sure i was map hacked in that game, especially the part where he snipes my overlords...
Watched your replay, your guy wasn't as obvious but I'd call it maphacking based on how he spotted your scouting ovie through the fog of war. The fact he didn't scout 6 mins into the game also is suspicious. Him sniping all your overlords was also pretty "lucky." He wasn't as blatent as my guy but he was definitely doing some suspicious stuff
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Server: NA Your Name: ProTech Hacker Name: Lone / RatZDeeZer Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/6T9Pgc Description: Map hacking and or production tab hacking.
6 Pool goes down, they haven't scouted the base. Deezer puts a pylon at the front of the choke to block the lings cancels the pylon for no apparent reason ( probably because it would look like cheating / hacking. ) Waits for the lings to get in vision and then drops the pylon again. Obvious hacking / cheating.
You'll also notice that I stream 100% of my games, but because it was deezer we que'd against, I blacked my stream, and you hear Lone say in the game " Omfg black screen? Nerd " So that's proof that I blacked my stream before this game started knowing who we were playing.
That being said this replay is 100% proof of them either 1) Lone hacking, or 2) Deezer hacking I can't be sure cause they might be using skype or something and lone might just be telling deezer what's coming.
Either way, this replay is 100% solid proof that one of these players are hacking.
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On August 29 2011 04:13 ProTech wrote:Server: NA Your Name: ProTech Hacker Name: Lone / RatZDeeZer Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/6T9PgcDescription: Map hacking and or production tab hacking. 6 Pool goes down, they haven't scouted the base. Deezer puts a pylon at the front of the choke to block the lings cancels the pylon for no apparent reason ( probably because it would look like cheating / hacking. ) Waits for the lings to get in vision and then drops the pylon again. Obvious hacking / cheating. You'll also notice that I stream 100% of my games, but because it was deezer we que'd against, I blacked my stream, and you hear Lone say in the game " Omfg black screen? Nerd " So that's proof that I blacked my stream before this game started knowing who we were playing. That being said this replay is 100% proof of them either 1) Lone hacking, or 2) Deezer hacking I can't be sure cause they might be using skype or something and lone might just be telling deezer what's coming. Either way, this replay is 100% solid proof that one of these players are hacking. Watched the replay, could be production hack but there is no camera lock during this game on either players. Also, reading the other thread, it seems you have a history of 6 pooling as z? they could possibly know your playstyle. correct me if i'm wrong though.
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I'm 90% sure that this is hacking. I need to watch the replay a few more times.
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On August 29 2011 04:41 Corrosive wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 04:13 ProTech wrote:Server: NA Your Name: ProTech Hacker Name: Lone / RatZDeeZer Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/6T9PgcDescription: Map hacking and or production tab hacking. 6 Pool goes down, they haven't scouted the base. Deezer puts a pylon at the front of the choke to block the lings cancels the pylon for no apparent reason ( probably because it would look like cheating / hacking. ) Waits for the lings to get in vision and then drops the pylon again. Obvious hacking / cheating. You'll also notice that I stream 100% of my games, but because it was deezer we que'd against, I blacked my stream, and you hear Lone say in the game " Omfg black screen? Nerd " So that's proof that I blacked my stream before this game started knowing who we were playing. That being said this replay is 100% proof of them either 1) Lone hacking, or 2) Deezer hacking I can't be sure cause they might be using skype or something and lone might just be telling deezer what's coming. Either way, this replay is 100% solid proof that one of these players are hacking. Watched the replay, could be production hack but there is no camera lock during this game on either players. Also, reading the other thread, it seems you have a history of 6 pooling as z? they could possibly know your playstyle. correct me if i'm wrong though.
this game, is the first time i have EVER 6 pooled with my ally. whenever we play against TP i never go 6 pool ally just gets mad about it. this is the first time ive ever 6 pooled with destructive, so knowing my playstyle doesnt justify this play
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On August 29 2011 04:41 Corrosive wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 04:13 ProTech wrote:Server: NA Your Name: ProTech Hacker Name: Lone / RatZDeeZer Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/6T9PgcDescription: Map hacking and or production tab hacking. 6 Pool goes down, they haven't scouted the base. Deezer puts a pylon at the front of the choke to block the lings cancels the pylon for no apparent reason ( probably because it would look like cheating / hacking. ) Waits for the lings to get in vision and then drops the pylon again. Obvious hacking / cheating. You'll also notice that I stream 100% of my games, but because it was deezer we que'd against, I blacked my stream, and you hear Lone say in the game " Omfg black screen? Nerd " So that's proof that I blacked my stream before this game started knowing who we were playing. That being said this replay is 100% proof of them either 1) Lone hacking, or 2) Deezer hacking I can't be sure cause they might be using skype or something and lone might just be telling deezer what's coming. Either way, this replay is 100% solid proof that one of these players are hacking. Watched the replay, could be production hack but there is no camera lock during this game on either players. Also, reading the other thread, it seems you have a history of 6 pooling as z? they could possibly know your playstyle. correct me if i'm wrong though.
if they knew his playstyle (which they didint), why would he make pylon, then cancel it? and then he leaves probe there for like 10 sec like some noob. i will tell you why, because he knew that protech is coming, he overreacted, made first paylon. then he realized that he couldnt have known (everyone will know it was a cheating) for 6 pool and cancel it. then he waited to see him on the screen so he can make 2nd pylon. and he didnt even move probe, he just left it to sit so he can make new pylon. GM player, make pylon, cancel it, doesnt move probe? lol cheating in my opinion. and if u look Lones match history, he has like 50-1 or smt 1v1 score. hmm.. even best players have to face chees sometimes. 3v3 108-1 score.. i dont know, it is fishy to say at least.
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I've added the Deezer/Lone replay as [NEEDS REVIEW]. We need to have a thorough and civil discussion on this replay. If you have an extra minute, please watch and throw in your 2¢.
Thank you.
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very very clear maphacking going on in this game.
first of all, Lone and Deezer were both very well known hackers for warcraft 3. as the lings approach the base Lone sends a 3rd scv for absolutely no apparent reason. Without any scouting information, why would you possible need a 3rd scv there, as you already have a free scv from the completion of the first barracks (if needed to build a bunker, etc.) Also, BEFORE the lings are in sight, Deezer immediately chrono's a zealot. This makes no sense as they were going to be completely walled and the marines would hold off any zerglings later that a 6-7 pool. Very obvious. Also, for those thinking they were listening to the stream or knew Protech commonly 6 pooled, the timing of Lone bringing a 3rd scv and Deezer bringing a probe to complete the wall was too precise. Without knowing lings were on directly there, why would deezer possibly complete the wall with a pylon and not a cyber or bunker....
Also, if you notice the robo timing directly after the banshee with cloak began researching, and on top of that, lone throwing down a engineering bay before any sight of banshee, let alone any sight of the enemy base.
And also, this isnt the first time Lone has been accussed of hacking. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252666
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Lone's turret goes up as soon as Power's tech lab on starport goes up. Ez.
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watched deezer replay first from deezer's camera view then lone's with production tab up
could be production hack
could not be too
not any evidence i could see of maphacking
there werent any funky FOW looks or anything like that
he did start a Robo very very shortly after cloak started being researched same as lone started a turret
but other than that and the wall-off at the start (that failed to stop the zergling pressure anyway...) there was nothing even remotely suspicious and even those two things weren't very suspicious to me... the wall-off was way more suspicious than the robo.
chronoing a zealot and bringing a 3rd scv could be explained by maphack or by knowing timings and having a production hack
or simple stream viewing as destructive reminds protech to shut his the hell down, unfortunately after it was too late to conceal the 6 pool (presumably)
nice seeing deezer be deezer tho <3 that #7 GM baby!
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On August 29 2011 05:17 DeepElemBlues wrote:watched deezer replay first from deezer's camera view then lone's with production tab up could be production hack could not be too not any evidence i could see of maphacking there werent any funky FOW looks or anything like that he did start a Robo very very shortly after cloak started being researched same as lone started a turret but other than that and the wall-off at the start (that failed to stop the zergling pressure anyway...) there was nothing even remotely suspicious and even those two things weren't very suspicious to me... the wall-off was way more suspicious than the robo. chronoing a zealot and bringing a 3rd scv could be explained by maphack or by knowing timings and having a production hack or simple stream viewing as destructive reminds protech to shut his the hell down, unfortunately after it was too late to conceal the 6 pool (presumably) nice seeing deezer be deezer tho <3 that #7 GM baby!
So, even though they havent scouted our bases at all, you think the timings of countering are units are still justifiable?
They don't even know what the terran is dumping his resources into, they didnt scout jack.
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On August 29 2011 05:17 DeepElemBlues wrote:watched deezer replay first from deezer's camera view then lone's with production tab up could be production hack could not be too not any evidence i could see of maphacking there werent any funky FOW looks or anything like that he did start a Robo very very shortly after cloak started being researched same as lone started a turret but other than that and the wall-off at the start (that failed to stop the zergling pressure anyway...) there was nothing even remotely suspicious and even those two things weren't very suspicious to me... the wall-off was way more suspicious than the robo. chronoing a zealot and bringing a 3rd scv could be explained by maphack or by knowing timings and having a production hack or simple stream viewing as destructive reminds protech to shut his the hell down, unfortunately after it was too late to conceal the 6 pool (presumably) nice seeing deezer be deezer tho <3 that #7 GM baby!
No, the stream was already down. I downed it on the load screen...
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On August 29 2011 05:17 DeepElemBlues wrote: could be production hack
could not be too
not any evidence i could see of maphacking
there werent any funky FOW looks or anything like that
he did start a Robo very very shortly after cloak started being researched same as lone started a turret
but other than that and the wall-off at the start (that failed to stop the zergling pressure anyway...) there was nothing even remotely suspicious and even those two things weren't very suspicious to me... the wall-off was way more suspicious than the robo.
I'll quote DeepElemBlues, because that are exactly my thoughts.
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What do you make of them moving to attack the lings at the back rocks the moment they get there?
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On August 29 2011 06:45 Probe1 wrote: What do you make of them moving to attack the lings at the back rocks the moment they get there?
Ok, then let me ask you what do you make of all the lings they got in from their main entrance (7:00 min mark - look where the protoss's army is), then look where his army was when the banshee came in - 7:20, then 8:40, again ling runby - lowered depot. You'd expect way more awareness from a maphacker. And to answer your question - they just almost cleared all the lings in their base, and then decided to check their rocks, it's just that the timing was just like this.
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On August 29 2011 04:13 ProTech wrote:Server: NA Your Name: ProTech Hacker Name: Lone / RatZDeeZer Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/6T9PgcDescription: Map hacking and or production tab hacking. 6 Pool goes down, they haven't scouted the base. Deezer puts a pylon at the front of the choke to block the lings cancels the pylon for no apparent reason ( probably because it would look like cheating / hacking. ) Waits for the lings to get in vision and then drops the pylon again. Obvious hacking / cheating. You'll also notice that I stream 100% of my games, but because it was deezer we que'd against, I blacked my stream, and you hear Lone say in the game " Omfg black screen? Nerd " So that's proof that I blacked my stream before this game started knowing who we were playing. That being said this replay is 100% proof of them either 1) Lone hacking, or 2) Deezer hacking I can't be sure cause they might be using skype or something and lone might just be telling deezer what's coming. Either way, this replay is 100% solid proof that one of these players are hacking. Hi im Lone in our defense i would like to say the reason we expected an early pool was purely stream sniping and deezer does 3gate robo almost everygame while i mas bunkers to hold rushes the reason we thought early pool was b4 protech turned off his stream he had estimated guess here like 100minerals and no drones in production plain and simple there is not even evedence of hack here why would he make a pylon then cancel then remake if we saw how far ur lings are....
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Wasnt a regular "check the back rock", but a completely standard "send your entire army to the rock"
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What do you make of them moving to attack the lings at the back rocks the moment they get there?
thought it was suspicious but could be explained by hearing the sound of the lings attacking the rocks? or maybe not...
protech i think the totality of it favors the conclusion that they were hacking in some way, there actually was one weird FOW look where Deezer looked directly at your overlord that was near the back rocks to lone's base. that was the only strange FOW-related thing i saw all game
i wasnt very clear in what i meant earlier i meant through either way maphack or production hack the wall-off was suspicious and then the later greatly timed robo and turret makes the wall-off look even more suspicious
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Previous accusation of Lone:
(from TL antihack, page 2-3 of this thread) Obviously now there is evidence.
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On August 29 2011 07:14 PowerDes wrote: Wasnt a regular "check the back rock", but a completely standard "send your entire army to the rock"
I agree. It not like he sent 1 unit to the back rocks the check but sent every one of his attacking units over the second his lings started attacking the rocks
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On August 29 2011 07:05 AysiktiriX wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 06:45 Probe1 wrote: What do you make of them moving to attack the lings at the back rocks the moment they get there? Ok, then let me ask you what do you make of all the lings they got in from their main entrance (7:00 min mark - look where the protoss's army is), then look where his army was when the banshee came in - 7:20, then 8:40, again ling runby - lowered depot. You'd expect way more awareness from a maphacker. And to answer your question - they just almost cleared all the lings in their base, and then decided to check their rocks, it's just that the timing was just like this.
Check the rep at normal speed.
6:38 lone camera locks. Reason is the expo. That's why he is not aware of the lings until 6:45, when he unlocks the camera again. Take a look at his vision and his selection.
7:01 to 7:07 again his CC selected and doing nothing, although they can see the lings coming.
8:34, AGAIN in the exact second an expo gets build, he selects his CC, does nothing (although they are getting attacked AND his depo is down), and resumes at 8:39.
And they "check" the rocks with their whole army? Doubt it.
Those 5 seconds missing every time an expo goes down and the blind counter + pylon at the beginning + ramp protection with zero vision is looking like production AND maphack with camera lock.
Edit: He has a ton of those 5 seconds apm droping to almost zero and staying with his camera without doing anything. Right in the beginning when he decides to build his second rax, from 2:07-2:15, he stand there with his scv selected and enough money but does nothing. Reason is the lings popping in ProTech's base.
I guess if we check the whole replay at normal speed and take a look at lone's view, we will get like 30 ~5 seconds windows where he locks his vision.
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On August 29 2011 07:12 Italianstallion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 04:13 ProTech wrote:Server: NA Your Name: ProTech Hacker Name: Lone / RatZDeeZer Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/6T9PgcDescription: Map hacking and or production tab hacking. 6 Pool goes down, they haven't scouted the base. Deezer puts a pylon at the front of the choke to block the lings cancels the pylon for no apparent reason ( probably because it would look like cheating / hacking. ) Waits for the lings to get in vision and then drops the pylon again. Obvious hacking / cheating. You'll also notice that I stream 100% of my games, but because it was deezer we que'd against, I blacked my stream, and you hear Lone say in the game " Omfg black screen? Nerd " So that's proof that I blacked my stream before this game started knowing who we were playing. That being said this replay is 100% proof of them either 1) Lone hacking, or 2) Deezer hacking I can't be sure cause they might be using skype or something and lone might just be telling deezer what's coming. Either way, this replay is 100% solid proof that one of these players are hacking. Hi im Lone in our defense i would like to say the reason we expected an early pool was purely stream sniping and deezer does 3gate robo almost everygame while i mas bunkers to hold rushes the reason we thought early pool was b4 protech turned off his stream he had estimated guess here like 100minerals and no drones in production plain and simple there is not even evedence of hack here why would he make a pylon then cancel then remake if we saw how far ur lings are....
pretty vague and useless answer to defend with. first of all, I just checked match history and not one game did Deezer go robo before adding a 2nd-3rd gateway. Also just pointing out that he built a pylon and canceled it shows your attempt to hide it as ProTech pointed out earlier its a pretty blatant attempt to cover up on not making it so obvious.
This is a fail defense by a hacker. Pointing out a few vague answers and failing to respond to any of the other reasons (bringing 3rd scv right as lings were approaching, sending entire army to back rocks, missle turret immediately after banshee production)
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Btw the other replay of lone posted on page 1 has similar occurrences.
Take a look at 13:06-13:12. Drop leaves at ~13 minutes. He looks at his hatch, apm drop, and altough his teammate is also uploading and they are in no way "containing" the enemy, as he stated, he takes all of his units to his ally's base (not even 1 unit to protect his base) and even sets his rally to the incoming drop location. There are several more 5 seconds-windows where his apm drops AGAIN. E.g. cyber-core timing, tank-upgrade timing, blink timing.
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looks like maphacking to me based on the evidences posted.
Now i'm not sure if its one or both of them hacking though.
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If you think a rock is being broken down, one would think you send one unit to check it out rather than sending a full fledged army to prepare for the breakdown...
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Also why would you suddenly feel the need to chrono the zealot that early in preparation for what?? There was absolutely 0 scouting and if ProTech send he turned off the stream then that's some shady business going around
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On August 29 2011 08:07 jumplee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 07:12 Italianstallion wrote:On August 29 2011 04:13 ProTech wrote:Server: NA Your Name: ProTech Hacker Name: Lone / RatZDeeZer Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/6T9PgcDescription: Map hacking and or production tab hacking. 6 Pool goes down, they haven't scouted the base. Deezer puts a pylon at the front of the choke to block the lings cancels the pylon for no apparent reason ( probably because it would look like cheating / hacking. ) Waits for the lings to get in vision and then drops the pylon again. Obvious hacking / cheating. You'll also notice that I stream 100% of my games, but because it was deezer we que'd against, I blacked my stream, and you hear Lone say in the game " Omfg black screen? Nerd " So that's proof that I blacked my stream before this game started knowing who we were playing. That being said this replay is 100% proof of them either 1) Lone hacking, or 2) Deezer hacking I can't be sure cause they might be using skype or something and lone might just be telling deezer what's coming. Either way, this replay is 100% solid proof that one of these players are hacking. Hi im Lone in our defense i would like to say the reason we expected an early pool was purely stream sniping and deezer does 3gate robo almost everygame while i mas bunkers to hold rushes the reason we thought early pool was b4 protech turned off his stream he had estimated guess here like 100minerals and no drones in production plain and simple there is not even evedence of hack here why would he make a pylon then cancel then remake if we saw how far ur lings are.... pretty vague and useless answer to defend with. first of all, I just checked match history and not one game did Deezer go robo before adding a 2nd-3rd gateway. Also just pointing out that he built a pylon and canceled it shows your attempt to hide it as ProTech pointed out earlier its a pretty blatant attempt to cover up on not making it so obvious. This is a fail defense by a hacker. Pointing out a few vague answers and failing to respond to any of the other reasons (bringing 3rd scv right as lings were approaching, sending entire army to back rocks, missle turret immediately after banshee production)
I confirmed this as well, not once in 2v2 has he added a robo before gates.
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What's funny to me is - when it's about reviewing any other replays, all you people don't bother to take a look and give an opinion, but instead - 1 replay of deezer and like 5-10 come up and are like "yes, he did it, he is the killer". I said my 2 cents - possible production hack(but weak evidence), no maphack. The antihack team will decide in the end, it's poinless all of you to spam the thread.
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Just watched it, and looks very very suspicious to me. Nothing concrete, but I'm ~70% sure at least one of them is. Would require more replays to confirm, but looks like these guys do their best to hide it. It would be pretty difficult to definitively prove they're hacking, unless they make a huge blunder and it gets caught.
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Actually I'm encouraging this as long as it remains civil. I've also requested Deezer be allowed to register for 24 hours to post himself (though I doubt that will happen).
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On August 29 2011 09:04 Probe1 wrote: Actually I'm encouraging this as long as it remains civil. I've also requested Deezer be allowed to register for 24 hours to post himself (though I doubt that will happen).
haha probe, yeah he prob won't show
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On August 29 2011 09:03 Telcontar wrote: Just watched it, and looks very very suspicious to me. Nothing concrete, but I'm ~70% sure at least one of them is. Would require more replays to confirm, but looks like these guys do their best to hide it. It would be pretty difficult to definitively prove they're hacking, unless they make a huge blunder and it gets caught.
Actually, this is 100% proof of hacking.
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only an idiot wouldnt check the bak rocks after a 6p....
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On August 29 2011 08:20 rouzga wrote: Btw the other replay of lone posted on page 1 has similar occurrences.
Take a look at 13:06-13:12. Drop leaves at ~13 minutes. He looks at his hatch, apm drop, and altough his teammate is also uploading and they are in no way "containing" the enemy, as he stated, he takes all of his units to his ally's base (not even 1 unit to protect his base) and even sets his rally to the incoming drop location. There are several more 5 seconds-windows where his apm drops AGAIN. E.g. cyber-core timing, tank-upgrade timing, blink timing.
This is exactly why i think protech is right. and i dont even like protech. but he's in the right on this one. this exact moment sold me. his reasoning doesn't hold up.
now you are anonymously taunting protech lone. ;-/.
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It's hard to believe protech when he accuses everyone of wrong doing, the guy's a joke. I have not watched the replay so I don't have an opinion of whether the guys hack. What I do know is these guys are the definition of scum and I would say they are candidates. They don't have the morals to be respectful and play the game straight up, so it's plausible.
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On August 29 2011 12:21 ProTech wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 09:03 Telcontar wrote: Just watched it, and looks very very suspicious to me. Nothing concrete, but I'm ~70% sure at least one of them is. Would require more replays to confirm, but looks like these guys do their best to hide it. It would be pretty difficult to definitively prove they're hacking, unless they make a huge blunder and it gets caught. Actually, this is 100% proof of hacking. The thing is, most, if not all of the suspicious activities on the replay can be attributed to pure chance. Yeah, it's more likely that they're hacking (hence the 70%), but we can't really say they're 100% doing it off of 1 replay. I've watched the other replay of Lone from earlier in this thread, and that looks very suspicious as well. I'm 90+% sure he's hacking or has hacked before, but I'm not too sure about Deezer. The guy obviously streamsnipes, but does he hack himself? Maybe he's letting Lone do all the hacking work in the 2v2s? It's hard to say for sure.
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It would take me a while to fish out my games vs Deezer but basically he doesn't even scout once all game, I have an scv patrolling one side each game and he takes proxy expoes on the side that doesn't have it.
Also he tends to blindly go 3 gate robo blink vs 1-1-1 terrans and 2 gate expoes or FE's vs standard terrans. See: any replay available.
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Server: NA Your Name: sLiPsTrEaM Hacker Name: PriDeaZnHero Replay: http://drop.sc/29785 Description: PvP.
As obvious as it gets, no scout, immediate proxy pylon outside base. Countless looks at my army and buildings right as i make them. Most obvious time is @21:15 when I was going to blink in base to get some damage and move his army out of position and then blink back. He looks right at my warp-ins and warps in-base at that location. I was shocked to see he kept warping in their right after I did that I kept looking for an observer that sees it. Never found an observer which made me want to watch replay, and it was so obvious the whole replay. I also looked at his match history and messaged the guy he played before me asking him if he could watch replay to confirm my suspicion before I posted on here. He was nice and reviewed his replay, and came back with not so nice comments about that hacker and ended it with confirming that he is a definite hacker.
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Actually the funniest part is ~8 min mark when he's pressing his attack, then suddenly moves his camera to his natural and pulls back all his units to where you'd set up your pylons. After not seeing a probe leave the base. He just looks at that spot and *poof* you just happened to have pylons there. Couldn't be more obvious.
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On August 29 2011 20:17 TwentyOneJN wrote:Server: NA Your Name: sLiPsTrEaM Hacker Name: PriDeaZnHeroReplay: http://drop.sc/29785Description: PvP. As obvious as it gets, no scout, immediate proxy pylon outside base. Countless looks at my army and buildings right as i make them. Most obvious time is @21:15 when I was going to blink in base to get some damage and move his army out of position and then blink back. He looks right at my warp-ins and warps in-base at that location. I was shocked to see he kept warping in their right after I did that I kept looking for an observer that sees it. Never found an observer which made me want to watch replay, and it was so obvious the whole replay. I also looked at his match history and messaged the guy he played before me asking him if he could watch replay to confirm my suspicion before I posted on here. He was nice and reviewed his replay, and came back with not so nice comments about that hacker and ended it with confirming that he is a definite hacker.
Indeed, one of the easier maphackers to confirm.
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On August 29 2011 19:19 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 12:21 ProTech wrote:On August 29 2011 09:03 Telcontar wrote: Just watched it, and looks very very suspicious to me. Nothing concrete, but I'm ~70% sure at least one of them is. Would require more replays to confirm, but looks like these guys do their best to hide it. It would be pretty difficult to definitively prove they're hacking, unless they make a huge blunder and it gets caught. Actually, this is 100% proof of hacking. The thing is, most, if not all of the suspicious activities on the replay can be attributed to pure chance. Yeah, it's more likely that they're hacking (hence the 70%), but we can't really say they're 100% doing it off of 1 replay. I've watched the other replay of Lone from earlier in this thread, and that looks very suspicious as well. I'm 90+% sure he's hacking or has hacked before, but I'm not too sure about Deezer. The guy obviously streamsnipes, but does he hack himself? Maybe he's letting Lone do all the hacking work in the 2v2s? It's hard to say for sure.
What's the difference between hacking and playing with a hacker? Both results into knowing what's coming at you and should be considered as hacking. This was not in RT, but in AT, which means Deezer defenetly knew his ally was going to hack and agreed with it which should be considered as hacking I believe
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[QUOTE]On August 29 2011 07:12 Italianstallion wrote: [QUOTE]On August 29 2011 04:13 ProTech wrote: Server: NA Your Name: ProTech Hacker Name: Lone / RatZDeeZer Replay: [url=http://replayfu.com/r/6T9Pgc]http://replayfu.com/r/6T9Pgc[/url] Description: Map hacking and or production tab hacking.
6 Pool goes down, they haven't scouted the base. Deezer puts a pylon at the front of the choke to block the lings cancels the pylon for no apparent reason ( probably because it would look like cheating / hacking. ) Waits for the lings to get in vision and then drops the pylon again. Obvious hacking / cheating.
You'll also notice that I stream 100% of my games, but because it was deezer we que'd against, I blacked my stream, and you hear Lone say in the game " Omfg black screen? Nerd " So that's proof that I blacked my stream before this game started knowing who we were playing.
That being said this replay is 100% proof of them either 1) Lone hacking, or 2) Deezer hacking I can't be sure cause they might be using skype or something and lone might just be telling deezer what's coming.
Either way, this replay is 100% solid proof that one of these players are hacking.
[/QUOTE] as for the times when i" dont do anything" easily explainable i use the razer deathhadder mouse which constantly doesnt click or stops working anyone with this mouse knows it has major issues and reliability problems...as for sending the army to the rocks everyone breaks the rocks on this map and what does it matter if u send one unit or awhole army to check on such a small shared base.... im sure 90% of the people on this thread are protechs stream viewers that he told to come here and confirm... protech seems to accuse everyone of MH especially if they have better recs then him:hes a jelous nerd as onekyhol pretty much said he a joke- he think hes a good player yet hes platinum solo and im sorry but power carries him hence why protech doesnt play solo now for my 2cents... have battle net review and scan our accounts you will see we dont hack and wont b banned however if you are going to accuse sumone i think its better if you confirm me" im not addmitting hacks i still stand tall i am legit"however i dont think its fair that you would accuse a legit person of hacks thats at the top , i dont do tours and am not a solo player at the top like deezer so i dont really care what a site like this thinks so in the end if you feel the need to confirm plz only confirm me as i dont really care cause i know the truth...that im legit...also had to say this sorry to the admins but this site is a joke it says" if[NEEDS REVIEW] we have this tag for when the TL Antihack team is unable to determine within itself if the player is hacking or not. so then they let random members vote and decide which are mainly protechs stream viewers who are obviously his fans... im disguisted in how this site catches hackers it needs some serious work..
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After reviewing the Lone/Deezer, It look like hacks very much, Lone was a known hacker on wc3 and hacks on sc2 as ive played him many times on ladder, he also abuses to bronze for a high percentage, he is also reported before this isnt his first time on the TL hacker database, this is further proof and every1 in the team game community should know about his hacking, he is a high platinum player without mh and something needs to be done. Hopefully he gets confirmed as he rightly deserves it
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On August 30 2011 00:16 Tassy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 19:19 Telcontar wrote:On August 29 2011 12:21 ProTech wrote:On August 29 2011 09:03 Telcontar wrote: Just watched it, and looks very very suspicious to me. Nothing concrete, but I'm ~70% sure at least one of them is. Would require more replays to confirm, but looks like these guys do their best to hide it. It would be pretty difficult to definitively prove they're hacking, unless they make a huge blunder and it gets caught. Actually, this is 100% proof of hacking. The thing is, most, if not all of the suspicious activities on the replay can be attributed to pure chance. Yeah, it's more likely that they're hacking (hence the 70%), but we can't really say they're 100% doing it off of 1 replay. I've watched the other replay of Lone from earlier in this thread, and that looks very suspicious as well. I'm 90+% sure he's hacking or has hacked before, but I'm not too sure about Deezer. The guy obviously streamsnipes, but does he hack himself? Maybe he's letting Lone do all the hacking work in the 2v2s? It's hard to say for sure. What's the difference between hacking and playing with a hacker? Both results into knowing what's coming at you and should be considered as hacking. This was not in RT, but in AT, which means Deezer defenetly knew his ally was going to hack and agreed with it which should be considered as hacking I believe
To be fair, playing with a hacker does not necessarily mean you know he is hacking if the guy is good at playing it in a way that simply suggests skill until exhaustive inquisition. I played with a guy in season 1 who was later confirmed to be a hacker in these TL Hacker DB threads, and I did not know he was a hacker until I saw his name here.
Lone is an interesting case though. I noticed he also plays with the fake oGsNada on AM, who is in the whole Sorcery(previously confirmed hacker) crowd and has an absurd 204-17 record @ 1098 masters, so more replays on Lone would definitely be nice.
I myself will look into more Deezer and GTLBaby reps. The interest in Deezer is self evident from this thread. Protech posted a bit of stuff on GTLBaby that wasn't confirmed earlier in the thread, and his sudden rise in both rating and win% a season ago had me quite impressed, but now a bit suspicious too, so I'll see if I can dig anything up there.
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Reviewed game from Lone and Deezer. I have no affiliation with Protech and was not aware he streamed before reading this thread.
Sorry but a GRANDMASTER level player who doesn't scout anything should raise eyebrows.
Add to that: Probe ready and pylon block/cancel/block at ramp 3rd SCV sent Robo before any extra gateways. e-bay timing with no attempts to upgrade, while your ally is going for obs as terran with scan available. Stalkers waiting by robo so they will not be picked off earlier by banshee before obs pops out. Moving entire army to rocks, including observer. Banshee was never killed, it still poses a threat and keeping 2 stalkers + obs by your own mineral line would be standard. UNLESS you know where the banshee is, in which case there's no need to worry about the stalkers at the back and the obs should be moved with the army to confront the banshee, as happened in this game.
We have multiple long pauses from lone, specifically when other things are happening on the enemy side.
How can you say this is not hacking?
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Ok so the Protech replay, there's a couple of shifty things happening there, though most not really conclusive, the pylon walloff is a little strange yes, though Deezer was at 18/18 and may just have wanted to wall off the bases, the cancel is strange, but whats stranger is that he rebuilds it near his assimilator and then cancels it again, only to eventually full wall of anyway, very peculiar, but not really proof of hacking.
What is however EXTREMELY suspicious, is what Lone is doing, if you watch his pov at the 7:38'ish mark, you'll se he briefly scoots his vision to the top of his opponents' main, passing the starport with tech lab, immediately after that, he builds a turret in his mineral line (and Deezer eventually rallies an observer to his stalkers, though at that point the banshee had been revealed.)
I still think it's strange that lings managed to run by twice, more or less unopposed but the banshee thing is pretty big.
I think Lone is most likely hacking, but Deezer is debatable
edit: Just want to add that I think this replay is not enough proof to accuse either of these players of hacking
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Has everyone forgotten the deezer "undercover" incident as well?
And even though protech is a kind of shady and a bit bm,. he did call out Sorcery correctly.
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On August 30 2011 03:33 Gorb1 wrote: Reviewed game from Lone and Deezer. I have no affiliation with Protech and was not aware he streamed before reading this thread.
Sorry but a GRANDMASTER level player who doesn't scout anything should raise eyebrows.
Add to that: Probe ready and pylon block/cancel/block at ramp 3rd SCV sent Robo before any extra gateways. e-bay timing with no attempts to upgrade, while your ally is going for obs as terran with scan available. Stalkers waiting by robo so they will not be picked off earlier by banshee before obs pops out. Moving entire army to rocks, including observer. Banshee was never killed, it still poses a threat and keeping 2 stalkers + obs by your own mineral line would be standard. UNLESS you know where the banshee is, in which case there's no need to worry about the stalkers at the back and the obs should be moved with the army to confront the banshee, as happened in this game.
We have multiple long pauses from lone, specifically when other things are happening on the enemy side.
How can you say this is not hacking? easily my man... power comes in with 3 marines and no other agression from terran clearly a top team game player knows hes not going hellion because of the bio and when a terran has little bio no marduer its auto cloak banshee the thing is most people here are not top team game players with 7k games like myself.. when u play as much as us u realize there is a trend and strategies are easy to read and predict too bad most of u are bronzies thats why u think its hack...and for my pauses read up i said already i use a deathhadder piece crap mouse the 3500 messes up all the time and is known for issues so the pauses are simply my mouse not working anyone who plays with me knows that i bitch about my mouse not working in 80% of my games i even have 4 losses this season purely on my mouse not working
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On August 30 2011 03:06 EtherealDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 00:16 Tassy wrote:On August 29 2011 19:19 Telcontar wrote:On August 29 2011 12:21 ProTech wrote:On August 29 2011 09:03 Telcontar wrote: Just watched it, and looks very very suspicious to me. Nothing concrete, but I'm ~70% sure at least one of them is. Would require more replays to confirm, but looks like these guys do their best to hide it. It would be pretty difficult to definitively prove they're hacking, unless they make a huge blunder and it gets caught. Actually, this is 100% proof of hacking. The thing is, most, if not all of the suspicious activities on the replay can be attributed to pure chance. Yeah, it's more likely that they're hacking (hence the 70%), but we can't really say they're 100% doing it off of 1 replay. I've watched the other replay of Lone from earlier in this thread, and that looks very suspicious as well. I'm 90+% sure he's hacking or has hacked before, but I'm not too sure about Deezer. The guy obviously streamsnipes, but does he hack himself? Maybe he's letting Lone do all the hacking work in the 2v2s? It's hard to say for sure. What's the difference between hacking and playing with a hacker? Both results into knowing what's coming at you and should be considered as hacking. This was not in RT, but in AT, which means Deezer defenetly knew his ally was going to hack and agreed with it which should be considered as hacking I believe To be fair, playing with a hacker does not necessarily mean you know he is hacking if the guy is good at playing it in a way that simply suggests skill until exhaustive inquisition. I played with a guy in season 1 who was later confirmed to be a hacker in these TL Hacker DB threads, and I did not know he was a hacker until I saw his name here. Lone is an interesting case though. I noticed he also plays with the fake oGsNada on AM, who is in the whole Sorcery(previously confirmed hacker) crowd and has an absurd 204-17 record @ 1098 masters, so more replays on Lone would definitely be nice. I myself will look into more Deezer and GTLBaby reps. The interest in Deezer is self evident from this thread. Protech posted a bit of stuff on GTLBaby that wasn't confirmed earlier in the thread, and his sudden rise in both rating and win% a season ago had me quite impressed, but now a bit suspicious too, so I'll see if I can dig anything up there.
Yeah I know what you meant there, but the fact is that I had a replay of Lone up a while ago, which was already suspicious but nontheless not enough proof to be 100% that he hacked. Now this second replay protech posted.... I believe that this kind of suspicious moves happen quite too often with Lone. I see you also taked about the fake oGsNada, in fact this guy is SGTofluck which was in the 2s with Lone on my replay (and also own the account Pandemic). This guy already has a GM account as well... I must say their buisness is REALLY shady.
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You stand tall Lone! This rep is 100% proof of someone hacking.
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On August 29 2011 19:51 JediGamer wrote: It would take me a while to fish out my games vs Deezer but basically he doesn't even scout once all game, I have an scv patrolling one side each game and he takes proxy expoes on the side that doesn't have it.
Also he tends to blindly go 3 gate robo blink vs 1-1-1 terrans and 2 gate expoes or FE's vs standard terrans. See: any replay available.
I've played Deezer on ladder a couple of times, but I've never had him ever blind counter me, the closest was of him going double stargate against my single stargate. In PvP, a blind counter almost always wins, and I've beaten Deezer with a DT rush and an inbase proxy pylon 4gate. These things should easily be stopped by a maphacker.
Also I cannot find any replays that except for maybe a couple of Deezer that are at all suspicious, and the replays I do find that are suspicious are against known-streamers, since Deezer is known for streamsniping, that doesn't surprise me.
Unless a conclusive replay of Deezer shows up, I find it hard to say that he is hacking in 1v1.
The Lone/Deezer 2v2 game though is SUPER suspicious, after watching it, I cannot help but say that Lone is probably (75%) hacking. His reaction to 6pool could be understood since Protech turned off the stream after he got to see the floating of some minerals. But the army movements and later reactions are reacting to Protech's army movements. Since it is an arranged team, it is likely that Deezer knows that his teammate is hacking. Just with that I think he should be put on notice for 2v2.
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On August 30 2011 05:44 ProTech wrote: You stand tall Lone! This rep is 100% proof of someone hacking.
u got nothing bro u turned off ur stream with no drones 100minerals so we expected a pool super early and going to the rocks is nothing ur just a jelous angry nerd and its not like this sites opinion means anything to me i just defend us because we are legit
User was temp banned for this post.
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Server: NA
Your Name: AnatoLiy
Hacker Name: Codine Bnet profile
Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/wQvDL
Description: Was playing against Codine on Searing Crater (4 player map). First off, he didn't bother scouting, only spread 1 creeptumor to connect main to his natural and didn't bother spreading any further than that, didn't bother spreading overlords and most importantly didn't bother at any point in the game controlling the xel'naga tower.
Now for the juicy stuff: + Show Spoiler +(All times listed are relative to the game clock above mini map) 1) At 1:25 he looks at my pylon built at my choke through Fog of War(fow). 2) At 3:30 he looks and follows my probe that is coming back to his main through fow. 3) At 3:59 he looks again at my choke without moving units to it through fow. 4) 4:05 intercepts my scouting probe looking for an expansion at his third. 5) 4:25-4:27 looks at my main and centers screen over my 2nd gas through fow. (Keep in mind this whole time he is looking at my base he has yet to get inside with anything).
****6) 6:02-6:05 Looks at my main and sees a chrono boosted stargate through fow. Responds immediately by laying down an evolution chamber.
****7) 8:13-8:15 Looks at my 2 void rays that are travelling to his base through fow.
8) 8:28 Looks at my expansion through fow without moving units to it. 9) 9:49-9:51 Looks at my army through fow without moving units to it. 10) 18:25-18:27 Looks at my army destroying rocks at the golden base through fow. Proceeds to immediately break his own rocks right after seeing me do it first. 11) 20:30-20:34 Looks at my base through fow before trying to harass with mutas. 12) 21:30 Looks at my choke through fow without moving units to it. 13) 22:27 Intercepts my army while watching it through fow with mutas as his lings were attacking my third. 14) 24:47 Looks at my group of stalkers at my choke through fow. Then proceeds to instead attack my third.
Sad thing is, I almost won too. Was unfamiliar with the map and as I went to his most obvious third, I went the unsafe route instead of breaking rocks to get by.
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On August 30 2011 05:55 InfC.AnatoLiy wrote:Server: NA Your Name: AnatoLiy Hacker Name: Codine Bnet profile Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/wQvDLDescription: Was playing against Codine on Searing Crater (4 player map). First off, he didn't bother scouting, only spread 1 creeptumor to connect main to his natural and didn't bother spreading any further than that, didn't bother spreading overlords and most importantly didn't bother at any point in the game controlling the xel'naga tower. Now for the juicy stuff: + Show Spoiler +(All times listed are relative to the game clock above mini map) 1) At 1:25 he looks at my pylon built at my choke through Fog of War(fow). 2) At 3:30 he looks and follows my probe that is coming back to his main through fow. 3) At 3:59 he looks again at my choke without moving units to it through fow. 4) 4:05 intercepts my scouting probe looking for an expansion at his third. 5) 4:25-4:27 looks at my main and centers screen over my 2nd gas through fow. (Keep in mind this whole time he is looking at my base he has yet to get inside with anything).
****6) 6:02-6:05 Looks at my main and sees a chrono boosted stargate through fow. Responds immediately by laying down an evolution chamber.
****7) 8:13-8:15 Looks at my 2 void rays that are travelling to his base through fow.
8) 8:28 Looks at my expansion through fow without moving units to it. 9) 9:49-9:51 Looks at my army through fow without moving units to it. 10) 18:25-18:27 Looks at my army destroying rocks at the golden base through fow. Proceeds to immediately break his own rocks right after seeing me do it first. 11) 20:30-20:34 Looks at my base through fow before trying to harass with mutas. 12) 21:30 Looks at my choke through fow without moving units to it. 13) 22:27 Intercepts my army while watching it through fow with mutas as his lings were attacking my third. 14) 24:47 Looks at my group of stalkers at my choke through fow. Then proceeds to instead attack my third.
Sad thing is, I almost won too. Was unfamiliar with the map and as I went to his most obvious third, I went the unsafe route instead of breaking rocks to get by.
Looking at the replay at x4 speed, I see that fog of war peeks are present. Codine is a maphacker.
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Question: After a hacker is confirmed in this thread what action is taken afterwards?
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On August 30 2011 06:02 InfC.AnatoLiy wrote: Question: After a hacker is confirmed in this thread what action is taken afterwards?
Exposure is the main reason for this thread I believe.
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On August 30 2011 06:02 InfC.AnatoLiy wrote: Question: After a hacker is confirmed in this thread what action is taken afterwards?
On August 18 2011 11:56 Acechi wrote: Side Questions:
1.) Does the TL Antihack community directly contact/report to Blizzard for these hackers? Or is it just a community neighborhood watch thing?
2.) Do you guys know how long it takes for Blizzard to process/review the hackers? I have sent a bunch of replays of hackers and yet the hackers are still playing.
Torenhire's reply:
1) I contact Blizzard with replay packs. Once Probe1 and I are satisfied with a season as being "complete", I compile all of the replays into one big replay package. Then I hand it over to an email I've got for Blizzard. That's all I can say we do, because that's all I know. I've talked to someone in Blizzard a few times, but what they can do or choose to do with our replays that we confirm is unknown to me.
2) No idea.
Probe1's reply
Most of the time they are banned either by the time the replay pack is submitted or afterwards. In the meantime you can do is report them in game. Sorry for the empty answer.
From the 2 replys, I'd say some are banned - some not.
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On August 30 2011 05:49 Dsn4001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 19:51 JediGamer wrote: It would take me a while to fish out my games vs Deezer but basically he doesn't even scout once all game, I have an scv patrolling one side each game and he takes proxy expoes on the side that doesn't have it.
Also he tends to blindly go 3 gate robo blink vs 1-1-1 terrans and 2 gate expoes or FE's vs standard terrans. See: any replay available. I've played Deezer on ladder a couple of times, but I've never had him ever blind counter me, the closest was of him going double stargate against my single stargate. In PvP, a blind counter almost always wins, and I've beaten Deezer with a DT rush and an inbase proxy pylon 4gate. These things should easily be stopped by a maphacker. Also I cannot find any replays that except for maybe a couple of Deezer that are at all suspicious, and the replays I do find that are suspicious are against known-streamers, since Deezer is known for streamsniping, that doesn't surprise me. Unless a conclusive replay of Deezer shows up, I find it hard to say that he is hacking in 1v1. The Lone/Deezer 2v2 game though is SUPER suspicious, after watching it, I cannot help but say that Lone is probably (75%) hacking. His reaction to 6pool could be understood since Protech turned off the stream after he got to see the floating of some minerals. But the army movements and later reactions are reacting to Protech's army movements. Since it is an arranged team, it is likely that Deezer knows that his teammate is hacking. Just with that I think he should be put on notice for 2v2.
Nono, stream goes off before that T_T
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On August 30 2011 07:50 ProTech wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 05:49 Dsn4001 wrote:On August 29 2011 19:51 JediGamer wrote: It would take me a while to fish out my games vs Deezer but basically he doesn't even scout once all game, I have an scv patrolling one side each game and he takes proxy expoes on the side that doesn't have it.
Also he tends to blindly go 3 gate robo blink vs 1-1-1 terrans and 2 gate expoes or FE's vs standard terrans. See: any replay available. I've played Deezer on ladder a couple of times, but I've never had him ever blind counter me, the closest was of him going double stargate against my single stargate. In PvP, a blind counter almost always wins, and I've beaten Deezer with a DT rush and an inbase proxy pylon 4gate. These things should easily be stopped by a maphacker. Also I cannot find any replays that except for maybe a couple of Deezer that are at all suspicious, and the replays I do find that are suspicious are against known-streamers, since Deezer is known for streamsniping, that doesn't surprise me. Unless a conclusive replay of Deezer shows up, I find it hard to say that he is hacking in 1v1. The Lone/Deezer 2v2 game though is SUPER suspicious, after watching it, I cannot help but say that Lone is probably (75%) hacking. His reaction to 6pool could be understood since Protech turned off the stream after he got to see the floating of some minerals. But the army movements and later reactions are reacting to Protech's army movements. Since it is an arranged team, it is likely that Deezer knows that his teammate is hacking. Just with that I think he should be put on notice for 2v2. Nono, stream goes off before that T_T
If this is true then they are most definitely hacking. Especially since after taking another look at the 2v2 replay there are way too many army movements in reaction to movements in FoW. Also a couple of instances where it seems like Lone is camera locking his screen. I am now of the opinion that Lone/Deezer should be changed from "Need Review" to "Confirmed".
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On August 30 2011 05:52 Italianstallion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 05:44 ProTech wrote: You stand tall Lone! This rep is 100% proof of someone hacking. u got nothing bro u turned off ur stream with no drones 100minerals so we expected a pool super early and going to the rocks is nothing ur just a jelous angry nerd and its not like this sites opinion means anything to me i just defend us because we are legit
You seem to be talking to yourself Lone. some people say 75% i say 100%, stop kidding yourself.
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Server: NA Your Name: EZMoto Hacker Name: Xtkq Replay: http://mmxunderground.net/replaysDownload.php?id=277
Xtkq production hack, or maphack. He was at 18 probes and STILL did not even ATTEMPT to scout my base, but yet he knew 100% (ONE HUNDRED PERCENT) I was cannon rushing him. He allin'd my scouting probe with all his probes. There is no reason he should do this. If I wasn't cannon rushing, and instead 4 gating, he would of lose badly by taking his probes off his minerals that much.
Viewers on coLMinigun's stream complained he hacked on same day as well. coLMinigun can confirm, and possibly give longer replay than this.
edit: I rewatched the replay and he uses production hack 100%. Please look at this.
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On August 27 2011 03:46 source11 wrote:Server: NA Your Name:Source Hacker Name: katieshay Replay: http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=228396Description: Clearly map hacking throughout the game, I hid a probe in another base immidiatlley he sends lings to it. I was like ok that happens, He then takes his second base far from his main. I spot it and i prox a pylon to cannon it. He sends the same lings exactly where my pylon is in the fow. There was no way he could see my probe or pylon. Later on i send a probe and zealot to scout a potential 3rd for me, he again sends lings when i move out. He doesnt have any scouts he doesnt see what im doing unless hes hacking. Then the icing on the cake i was planning a fake drop on his north base but really blink stalker harrass his main from the south hidden entrance. Once i blink down he immidately sends all lings to his main. stopping my attack. At first i was like he must of had great scouts, but he never saw any of my movements when i watched from his pov. The funny thing is his pov doesnt show him look at my base or anything or looking through fow so i dont know if this is a new hack or an old one.
Why hasnt mine been confirmed
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2v2 game
FORMAT Server: NA Your Name: kyleep Hacker Name: chivette Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?cbfc63owszqbgok Description: Excessive looking around fog throughout game. Reacted slow to drop 9:20 even with a scout showing it, but another drop was done to his terran ally without passing through a scout at 15:00. He decided to send his whole ling/infestor army to his base. 17:00 Decides to send all of lings to command center that just finished at upper left. 19:50 Decides to send lings to newly prepared expo at perfect time(Just as the command center is landing.) 24:50 High focus/response on incoming cloaked ghost with infestors. Another at 26:30. I know you can see invis units with the ripple, but it was just fishy to me.
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On August 30 2011 05:52 Italianstallion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 05:44 ProTech wrote: You stand tall Lone! This rep is 100% proof of someone hacking. u got nothing bro u turned off ur stream with no drones 100minerals so we expected a pool super early and going to the rocks is nothing ur just a jelous angry nerd and its not like this sites opinion means anything to me i just defend us because we are legit Isn't this admitting he's stream cheating?
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On August 30 2011 07:50 ProTech wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 05:49 Dsn4001 wrote:On August 29 2011 19:51 JediGamer wrote: It would take me a while to fish out my games vs Deezer but basically he doesn't even scout once all game, I have an scv patrolling one side each game and he takes proxy expoes on the side that doesn't have it.
Also he tends to blindly go 3 gate robo blink vs 1-1-1 terrans and 2 gate expoes or FE's vs standard terrans. See: any replay available. I've played Deezer on ladder a couple of times, but I've never had him ever blind counter me, the closest was of him going double stargate against my single stargate. In PvP, a blind counter almost always wins, and I've beaten Deezer with a DT rush and an inbase proxy pylon 4gate. These things should easily be stopped by a maphacker. Also I cannot find any replays that except for maybe a couple of Deezer that are at all suspicious, and the replays I do find that are suspicious are against known-streamers, since Deezer is known for streamsniping, that doesn't surprise me. Unless a conclusive replay of Deezer shows up, I find it hard to say that he is hacking in 1v1. The Lone/Deezer 2v2 game though is SUPER suspicious, after watching it, I cannot help but say that Lone is probably (75%) hacking. His reaction to 6pool could be understood since Protech turned off the stream after he got to see the floating of some minerals. But the army movements and later reactions are reacting to Protech's army movements. Since it is an arranged team, it is likely that Deezer knows that his teammate is hacking. Just with that I think he should be put on notice for 2v2. Nono, stream goes off before that T_T just caught protech lieing just watched his stream he floated 80mins no drones wonder wut ealse this plat trash lies about sorry not stream VOD
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On August 30 2011 10:19 Italianstallion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 07:50 ProTech wrote:On August 30 2011 05:49 Dsn4001 wrote:On August 29 2011 19:51 JediGamer wrote: It would take me a while to fish out my games vs Deezer but basically he doesn't even scout once all game, I have an scv patrolling one side each game and he takes proxy expoes on the side that doesn't have it.
Also he tends to blindly go 3 gate robo blink vs 1-1-1 terrans and 2 gate expoes or FE's vs standard terrans. See: any replay available. I've played Deezer on ladder a couple of times, but I've never had him ever blind counter me, the closest was of him going double stargate against my single stargate. In PvP, a blind counter almost always wins, and I've beaten Deezer with a DT rush and an inbase proxy pylon 4gate. These things should easily be stopped by a maphacker. Also I cannot find any replays that except for maybe a couple of Deezer that are at all suspicious, and the replays I do find that are suspicious are against known-streamers, since Deezer is known for streamsniping, that doesn't surprise me. Unless a conclusive replay of Deezer shows up, I find it hard to say that he is hacking in 1v1. The Lone/Deezer 2v2 game though is SUPER suspicious, after watching it, I cannot help but say that Lone is probably (75%) hacking. His reaction to 6pool could be understood since Protech turned off the stream after he got to see the floating of some minerals. But the army movements and later reactions are reacting to Protech's army movements. Since it is an arranged team, it is likely that Deezer knows that his teammate is hacking. Just with that I think he should be put on notice for 2v2. Nono, stream goes off before that T_T just caught protech lieing just watched his stream he floated 80mins no drones wonder wut ealse this plat trash lies about sorry not stream VOD
Ok if the stream didnt black in the load screen that's not my fault, I def turned it off in the load screen. Either way, what the fuck does 80 minerals mean? I could have been typing, putting a dip in, anything. Your argument isn't plausible.
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Itallianstallion, it helps to use grammar and spell correctly when making an argument. I'm not sayin', Im just sayin'.
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well if he is deezer's "Brother" then hes from french quebec so english prob isnt his strongest language.
That being said, this could be deezer for all we know.
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On August 30 2011 10:49 ProTech wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 10:19 Italianstallion wrote:On August 30 2011 07:50 ProTech wrote:On August 30 2011 05:49 Dsn4001 wrote:On August 29 2011 19:51 JediGamer wrote: It would take me a while to fish out my games vs Deezer but basically he doesn't even scout once all game, I have an scv patrolling one side each game and he takes proxy expoes on the side that doesn't have it.
Also he tends to blindly go 3 gate robo blink vs 1-1-1 terrans and 2 gate expoes or FE's vs standard terrans. See: any replay available. I've played Deezer on ladder a couple of times, but I've never had him ever blind counter me, the closest was of him going double stargate against my single stargate. In PvP, a blind counter almost always wins, and I've beaten Deezer with a DT rush and an inbase proxy pylon 4gate. These things should easily be stopped by a maphacker. Also I cannot find any replays that except for maybe a couple of Deezer that are at all suspicious, and the replays I do find that are suspicious are against known-streamers, since Deezer is known for streamsniping, that doesn't surprise me. Unless a conclusive replay of Deezer shows up, I find it hard to say that he is hacking in 1v1. The Lone/Deezer 2v2 game though is SUPER suspicious, after watching it, I cannot help but say that Lone is probably (75%) hacking. His reaction to 6pool could be understood since Protech turned off the stream after he got to see the floating of some minerals. But the army movements and later reactions are reacting to Protech's army movements. Since it is an arranged team, it is likely that Deezer knows that his teammate is hacking. Just with that I think he should be put on notice for 2v2. Nono, stream goes off before that T_T just caught protech lieing just watched his stream he floated 80mins no drones wonder wut ealse this plat trash lies about sorry not stream VOD Ok if the stream didnt black in the load screen that's not my fault, I def turned it off in the load screen. Either way, what the fuck does 80 minerals mean? I could have been typing, putting a dip in, anything. Your argument isn't plausible. sure it is...what platinum level player gets 80mins without a drone unless its an early pool well regardless i honestly dont see any sign of hack in the replay i just think ur upset and when bnet never bans me i think ull finally understand or even then u prob wont cause ofc anyone who beats a platinum player is a hacker quote from ur allie Power " anyone who beats protech is a hacker" sad truth is your a bad player thats why you mass rt all day instead of solo trash stay trash bro
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On August 30 2011 08:48 Deceive-X17 wrote:Server: NA Your Name: EZMoto Hacker Name: Xtkq Replay: http://mmxunderground.net/replaysDownload.php?id=277Xtkq production hack, or maphack. He was at 18 probes and STILL did not even ATTEMPT to scout my base, but yet he knew 100% (ONE HUNDRED PERCENT) I was cannon rushing him. He allin'd my scouting probe with all his probes. There is no reason he should do this. If I wasn't cannon rushing, and instead 4 gating, he would of lose badly by taking his probes off his minerals that much. Viewers on coLMinigun's stream complained he hacked on same day as well. coLMinigun can confirm, and possibly give longer replay than this. edit: I rewatched the replay and he uses production hack 100%. Please look at this. How the fuck is this production hack? He has the same amount of shit as you the whole entire time (until you stop making probes cuz ur allinning). It is pretty weird that he did this, he sent a probe to the bottom of his ramp and did try really hard to kill yours, but is this the first time uve played him? He might have known ur tendencies cuz you're kinda regarded as an idiot in this game.
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Lone/Deezers' brother: i think youre better off not saying anything at all, as everything you've said can be easily used to solidify evidence of your hacking.
The first time you spoke up in 'defense' of yourself you mentioned that it was common that Deezer goes 3 gate robo. With any amount of simple investigation, Deezer has never gone bay before adding a 2nd - 3rd gate in previous match history.
This time you speak up in frantic defense, having to go through a past VOD to prove that Protech's stream showed some 70 minerals or so. As irrelevant as your argument stands, it seems like you're in panic of searching for a reason to dump your knowledge of the incoming 6pool. Why have to go back to a VOD in the first place? Not to mention if you watch Protech, he forgets to tab back in to mine sometimes due to the long load time, so your argument stands null.
As for the replay itself, my two cents stands with everyone who has already posted, and i speak up now to confirm my suspicion on these players hacking.
Lone, in your desperation to not get caught with these failed attempts at defending yourself and/or your friend, you can at least keep this thread civil and discontinue your trash talking that you cant hold back in due to anger. Do some research too, for as true as Protech isnt GM, he isnt Plat either. I just checked, he's high masters in 1v1 on his main account, and im sure you'd be gold/plat too if you just started on a new account.
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Everyone playing vs EZMoto or any Moto name try to save the replay. He thought I was streaming but I turned my stream off before the game started, he still sent a probe straight to my base on a 4 player map.
If you guys remember, Moto used to make antihack maps in SC1, in SC2 a close eye needs to be on him because I personally was his friend in SC1 and he did hack.
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On August 30 2011 08:48 Deceive-X17 wrote:Server: NA Your Name: EZMoto Hacker Name: Xtkq Replay: http://mmxunderground.net/replaysDownload.php?id=277Xtkq production hack, or maphack. He was at 18 probes and STILL did not even ATTEMPT to scout my base, but yet he knew 100% (ONE HUNDRED PERCENT) I was cannon rushing him. He allin'd my scouting probe with all his probes. There is no reason he should do this. If I wasn't cannon rushing, and instead 4 gating, he would of lose badly by taking his probes off his minerals that much. Viewers on coLMinigun's stream complained he hacked on same day as well. coLMinigun can confirm, and possibly give longer replay than this. edit: I rewatched the replay and he uses production hack 100%. Please look at this.
Suspicious, but not conclusive of maphacking or production hack. Need more replays and/or Minigun's replays.
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Server: EU My name: fleshJelly Hacker name: Wakerius Hacker's Profile Link Replay: Replay on drop.sc
Description:
3:02-3:10: My scouting scv gets in his natural and fakes a going up ramp sort of movement, instead makes a bunker behind the mineral line. He could see a red dot going up ramp on his minimap, his camera was always looking at his main. 3:37-3:40: His scouting drone comes back, blatantly finds the bunker building spot on, spam clicking right next to it instead of a-move waypointing around mineral line.
Up to this point, this might not strike most of you as maphack, but there is much more strong evidence to follow
6:06: Starts moving his overlord through my base for scouting, note this because he will never look at my base again. His camera never goes to my base to see what's there after this sacrificial overlord. 6:21: My cloak research starts 6:30: He starts evo chamber 7:10-7:20 : Makes 5 spores, 3 in main 2 in natural 10:20-10:35: My 2 dropships starts moving to drop at his main, he immediately repositions spore crawlers. While repositioning spores at his main, he also brings zerglings to his main hatchery. And just when drop is approaching the zerglings go crazy about it without seeing it at all. This timestamp is the strongest evidence i have, if this is not maphack i don't know what is.
With his camera keeps looking at an empty side of the map from time to time (8 o'clock) and staring at his main hatchery, instead of seeing what his overlord scouted by looking at my base indicates a camera lock feature in action.
I stopped playing at that point out of frustration, there is more evidence further in the game tho.
Does it help making a thread on blizzard sc2 forums to get this player banned ASAP?
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On August 30 2011 16:45 JediGamer wrote: Everyone playing vs EZMoto or any Moto name try to save the replay. He thought I was streaming but I turned my stream off before the game started, he still sent a probe straight to my base on a 4 player map.
If you guys remember, Moto used to make antihack maps in SC1, in SC2 a close eye needs to be on him because I personally was his friend in SC1 and he did hack.
Avilo was complaining about Moto maphacking on his stream as well. The probe always went to Avilo's base on a 4 playe map multiple times.
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Server: NA Your Name: Nocturn.713 Hacker Name: CuriousSnail (bnet profile): http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2666543/1/CuriousSnail/ Replay: http://drop.sc/30415 Description: Maphacking
[3:00] Initially he seems to play standard, but at my first glance of the replay he randomly places his camera over my base through the FOW with nothing selected (no scouting SCV etc).
[4:36] Looks over my base again, though it COULD be to confirm his findings on the minimap.
[5:10] Looks over my base while im building bunker (through FOW). I could see no reason for him to even scroll over this area.
[6:03] Scrolls over my production facilities through the FOW. No scan, no vision. Blatantly pans his camera over my barracks, factory and starport (with respective add-ons). As a side note, after scrolling over my production facilities, he cancels his viking and builds two medivacs (viking would be for anti-banshee, but the starport had no tech lab).
[7:07] Scrolls over my base again (my medivac for my hellion drop just finished)
[7:33] Scrolls over to my base where my medivac is, then to my CC, then back to my medivac.
[7:58] Places his camera DIRECTLY OVER my medivac through the FOW. This is by far the most concrete evidence I found towards him maphacking.
[9:30] Initially scrolls over to my base to commence his marine drop, then pans over my vikings (in FOW) and repositions his medivacs in a way that the drop circumvents the vikings altogeter.
Last note: In TvT, its quite common to use 1 scan after the first 2-3 mules to be completely certain of an opponents tech path and army composition. This opponent however, didn't use a single scan throughout the game.
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On August 30 2011 10:19 Italianstallion wrote: just caught protech lieing just watched his stream he floated 80mins no drones wonder wut ealse this plat trash lies about sorry not stream VOD
LoL. Excuse me, but this guy is full of shit. I watch protech stream for quite some time already, and I can confirm that the stream was blacked during the loading screen. Btw ~300 vievers can confirm that, why he'd lie about it anyway. It makes no sence... Oh and since he was playing deezer/lone I knew that the stream was not off (heard the music), so there's no reason to refresh it. Also, the next argument lone can come up with is about sound in game, like if he heard when the drone's gonna morph into sp can't be real as well, cause protech had the music on and it was too loud, so it was not possible to hear the game sounds whatsoever. So yeah, enjoy your aids lone, hope you'll get busted. Just my 2 cents.
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although ProTech can be kind of crazy with his hack accusations, he's definitely right here. This Lone kid hacks. I've played him once with ProTech where he was blatantly hacking, and twice with my main ally.
Each time he counters our builds without vision, yet he still manages to lose. If I can dig up the replays, I'll post them here.
P.S. : I'm also convinced he hacks from the 2v2 with Deezer.
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On August 29 2011 04:52 TL AntiHack wrote: I've added the Deezer/Lone replay as [NEEDS REVIEW]. We need to have a thorough and civil discussion on this replay. If you have an extra minute, please watch and throw in your 2¢.
Thank you. Me throwing in my 2¢:
The preparation for 6pool is slightly suspicious, especially the rebuilding of the second pylon 3 times + the chronoboosted zealot which is at about the time the zerglings get spotted, but definitely not a response to seeing them (it happens simoulteanously).
What really caught my eye though was the robo bay+engi bay timing with the cloak banshee, that just seemed a little bit to perfect.
Booth of them togheter is enough to make me say that it seems that one in team Lone+Deezer has a production hack, but it's impossible to really garantuee anything. Then again I guess it will always be impossible to really catch a production hacker 100% with his pants down (compared to a maphacker, where you can see him looking at stuff through the fog of war).
Added to that suspicion is also a match recently played by Destiny vs Deezer when I watched Destiny's stream, where Deezer did a build which seemed to be archon+zealot, but then after the roach warren went down he suddenly transitioned to stalker colossi (without scouting, he hadn't even seen any creep before the 15 min mark). This could though be stream cheating as Destiny was streaming (I've also heard from watching a video on youtube from Deezer+Combatex playing 2s that Deezer uses two screens when he stream cheats, which he though claim to only do vs combatex, thus there isn't the apm drops from alt tabbing that other might have).
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On August 30 2011 13:53 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 08:48 Deceive-X17 wrote:Server: NA Your Name: EZMoto Hacker Name: Xtkq Replay: http://mmxunderground.net/replaysDownload.php?id=277Xtkq production hack, or maphack. He was at 18 probes and STILL did not even ATTEMPT to scout my base, but yet he knew 100% (ONE HUNDRED PERCENT) I was cannon rushing him. He allin'd my scouting probe with all his probes. There is no reason he should do this. If I wasn't cannon rushing, and instead 4 gating, he would of lose badly by taking his probes off his minerals that much. Viewers on coLMinigun's stream complained he hacked on same day as well. coLMinigun can confirm, and possibly give longer replay than this. edit: I rewatched the replay and he uses production hack 100%. Please look at this. How the fuck is this production hack? He has the same amount of shit as you the whole entire time (until you stop making probes cuz ur allinning). It is pretty weird that he did this, he sent a probe to the bottom of his ramp and did try really hard to kill yours, but is this the first time uve played him? He might have known ur tendencies cuz you're kinda regarded as an idiot in this game.
I never play vs him before. I think he hacks because he never sent a probe to scout me but KNEW 100% i was cannon rushing him.
And I said Production hack because I thought that meant he knews what I'm producing (forge).
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Just throwing it out there - Probe1 and I will have an "official" call tonight on Deezer/Lone.
Also, will get the rest of the thread updated in the process. Thanks everyone for watching replays and your input!
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On August 30 2011 16:45 JediGamer wrote: Everyone playing vs EZMoto or any Moto name try to save the replay. He thought I was streaming but I turned my stream off before the game started, he still sent a probe straight to my base on a 4 player map.
If you guys remember, Moto used to make antihack maps in SC1, in SC2 a close eye needs to be on him because I personally was his friend in SC1 and he did hack.
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On August 30 2011 03:06 EtherealDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 00:16 Tassy wrote:On August 29 2011 19:19 Telcontar wrote:On August 29 2011 12:21 ProTech wrote:On August 29 2011 09:03 Telcontar wrote: Just watched it, and looks very very suspicious to me. Nothing concrete, but I'm ~70% sure at least one of them is. Would require more replays to confirm, but looks like these guys do their best to hide it. It would be pretty difficult to definitively prove they're hacking, unless they make a huge blunder and it gets caught. Actually, this is 100% proof of hacking. The thing is, most, if not all of the suspicious activities on the replay can be attributed to pure chance. Yeah, it's more likely that they're hacking (hence the 70%), but we can't really say they're 100% doing it off of 1 replay. I've watched the other replay of Lone from earlier in this thread, and that looks very suspicious as well. I'm 90+% sure he's hacking or has hacked before, but I'm not too sure about Deezer. The guy obviously streamsnipes, but does he hack himself? Maybe he's letting Lone do all the hacking work in the 2v2s? It's hard to say for sure. What's the difference between hacking and playing with a hacker? Both results into knowing what's coming at you and should be considered as hacking. This was not in RT, but in AT, which means Deezer defenetly knew his ally was going to hack and agreed with it which should be considered as hacking I believe To be fair, playing with a hacker does not necessarily mean you know he is hacking if the guy is good at playing it in a way that simply suggests skill until exhaustive inquisition. I played with a guy in season 1 who was later confirmed to be a hacker in these TL Hacker DB threads, and I did not know he was a hacker until I saw his name here. Lone is an interesting case though. I noticed he also plays with the fake oGsNada on AM, who is in the whole Sorcery(previously confirmed hacker) crowd and has an absurd 204-17 record @ 1098 masters, so more replays on Lone would definitely be nice. I myself will look into more Deezer and GTLBaby reps. The interest in Deezer is self evident from this thread. Protech posted a bit of stuff on GTLBaby that wasn't confirmed earlier in the thread, and his sudden rise in both rating and win% a season ago had me quite impressed, but now a bit suspicious too, so I'll see if I can dig anything up there.
Grabbed some replays of Deezer that I could find, and I can't really say he is hacking. I almost wonder if he just likes picking his nose or something a lot during games, since his apm seems to often drop to 0 for a few seconds at random points throughout games (which has been mentioned before is a symptom of camera lock -> maphack). These include games where he gets caught off guard really hard, which a maphack or production hack would prevent, so either he's making an effort to not appear to be hacking, or he just isn't and enjoys to troll the shit out of people.
We'll just have to wait and see what Torenhire and Probe1 manage to dig up ~
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well to be fair Moto's all ins are very refined and well practiced. judging from that picture it seems that he made his base in jedigamers base
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On August 31 2011 06:17 BROSKEENATOR wrote: well to be fair Moto's all ins are very refined and well practiced. judging from that picture it seems that he made his base in jedigamers base
Refined to the point where 3 games in a row on ladder he allins different opponents on 4 player maps. Someone get avilo to post his games. There is a new player, DeezerEX, seems like Deezer does the same builds, I'll upload the reps shortly.
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On August 30 2011 18:56 jahre wrote: although ProTech can be kind of crazy with his hack accusations, he's definitely right here. This Lone kid hacks. I've played him once with ProTech where he was blatantly hacking, and twice with my main ally.
Each time he counters our builds without vision, yet he still manages to lose. If I can dig up the replays, I'll post them here.
P.S. : I'm also convinced he hacks from the 2v2 with Deezer.
I have played a lot with Lone before in team games and sometimes I've seen some suspect stuff. Now after seeing these replays I am 100% CONVINCED that he is a hacker. I don't understand why someone would hack while playing this game...must be a sad nerd.
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lone also has an alternate id named sgtofluck who has an absolutely ridicolous record on the gm ladder
edit: just checked, sgtofluck was already in season 2 database never mind
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On August 31 2011 05:23 EtherealDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 03:06 EtherealDeath wrote:On August 30 2011 00:16 Tassy wrote:On August 29 2011 19:19 Telcontar wrote:On August 29 2011 12:21 ProTech wrote:On August 29 2011 09:03 Telcontar wrote: Just watched it, and looks very very suspicious to me. Nothing concrete, but I'm ~70% sure at least one of them is. Would require more replays to confirm, but looks like these guys do their best to hide it. It would be pretty difficult to definitively prove they're hacking, unless they make a huge blunder and it gets caught. Actually, this is 100% proof of hacking. The thing is, most, if not all of the suspicious activities on the replay can be attributed to pure chance. Yeah, it's more likely that they're hacking (hence the 70%), but we can't really say they're 100% doing it off of 1 replay. I've watched the other replay of Lone from earlier in this thread, and that looks very suspicious as well. I'm 90+% sure he's hacking or has hacked before, but I'm not too sure about Deezer. The guy obviously streamsnipes, but does he hack himself? Maybe he's letting Lone do all the hacking work in the 2v2s? It's hard to say for sure. What's the difference between hacking and playing with a hacker? Both results into knowing what's coming at you and should be considered as hacking. This was not in RT, but in AT, which means Deezer defenetly knew his ally was going to hack and agreed with it which should be considered as hacking I believe To be fair, playing with a hacker does not necessarily mean you know he is hacking if the guy is good at playing it in a way that simply suggests skill until exhaustive inquisition. I played with a guy in season 1 who was later confirmed to be a hacker in these TL Hacker DB threads, and I did not know he was a hacker until I saw his name here. Lone is an interesting case though. I noticed he also plays with the fake oGsNada on AM, who is in the whole Sorcery(previously confirmed hacker) crowd and has an absurd 204-17 record @ 1098 masters, so more replays on Lone would definitely be nice. I myself will look into more Deezer and GTLBaby reps. The interest in Deezer is self evident from this thread. Protech posted a bit of stuff on GTLBaby that wasn't confirmed earlier in the thread, and his sudden rise in both rating and win% a season ago had me quite impressed, but now a bit suspicious too, so I'll see if I can dig anything up there. Grabbed some replays of Deezer that I could find, and I can't really say he is hacking. I almost wonder if he just likes picking his nose or something a lot during games, since his apm seems to often drop to 0 for a few seconds at random points throughout games (which has been mentioned before is a symptom of camera lock -> maphack). These include games where he gets caught off guard really hard, which a maphack or production hack would prevent, so either he's making an effort to not appear to be hacking, or he just isn't and enjoys to troll the shit out of people. We'll just have to wait and see what Torenhire and Probe1 manage to dig up ~ Well, Deezer certainly doesn't hack 100% of the time. And apm dropping to zero is also a sign of someone switching a song or something of that sort.
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On August 31 2011 15:32 Itallion wrote: lone also has an alternate id named sgtofluck who has an absolutely ridicolous record on the gm ladder
edit: just checked, sgtofluck was already in season 2 database never mind Sgtofluck is not lone....and is also not in season 2 what are you saying?
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edit: never mind perseverance is a hacker
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never mind. subcooled is in the deezer, ratz, lone crowd. No wonder he's adamant on defending them haha.
Written several months ago by Subcooled.
I have to agree with what Deezer is saying here. His stream was openly removed from the stream list and was not publicly discussed and was privately resolved. From what I understand from people such as minigun and fayth, Deezer doesn't actually stream cheat just snipe which teamliquid has stated is "ok" not recommended but acceptable whereas stream cheating is not acceptable at all. Deezer's stream was removed because he is "bad mannered" which is an inconsistent decision. The streamlist is to be accurate to the growth of esports from what I personally understand. If Deezer has a fanbase that wants to watch his stream then why not allow his stream to be there?
Bolded above made me laugh very hard haha
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On August 31 2011 15:32 Itallion wrote: lone also has an alternate id named sgtofluck who has an absolutely ridicolous record on the gm ladder
edit: just checked, sgtofluck was already in season 2 database never mind
Wrong.
Lone currently has 3 accounts
Lone TheSituation SecretAgent
SgtofLuck is someone else, I'm going to check season 2 right now to see if he is in fact in season 2 database.
EDIT: SgtofLuck is not in any of TL's hacker databases. Also, he has around a 70% win rate, leveling the account from bronze...that means he was like 150-0, now 250-50....100-50 vs Master/GM is pretty normal. Please get your facts together before you accuse people of cheating based on their records, Thanks.
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edit: never mind, I guess perseverance is indeed a hacker.
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Server: NA Your Name: Redfish Hacker Name: Sevenfold (can't figure out how to access BNet profiles) Replay: http://drop.sc/30859 Sevenfold v Redfish Searing Crater Description: Very blatant and very obvious map hacking. He does it all the time throughout the game, but some obvious instances are at 0:52, 1:16, 1:30 (looks all around base for a few seconds), 2:42, 3:28 (right at my ramp when I start my factory there), 4:42 as my hellions move out, 7:00 right at the spot where my new barracks are...the list goes on.
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Server: America Your Name: Hyeong Hacker Name: perseverance Replay: http://bit.ly/qTMRr5 Description: Totally hacked, just watch the replay. He knew my every move and responded before I was even at location.
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Server:NA Your Name: Lucid Hacker Name: Evershock Replay: [url blocked] Description: Potentially maphacking
3:30ish builds proxy, probably a weak argument, but he just never bothered to even check my base whatsoever 6:00 chronos out sentry as I move a small force across map 8:30 doesn't even bother going up ramp with dt 10:37 cancels assimilator in favor of gateway units. just another odd coincidence I found when I was moving my troops across map 10:54 immediately cameras in to the area I was about to show up with my troops. Note he should have no idea of this at all since he never controlled tower, and yet is anticipating it.
I don't know, I feel like there are subtleties here and there, but I can't put my finger on it. Can someone else analyze this as well and give their input?
And yes, I realize I might look like I'm blind countering dt with turret, but I'm in 4v4 random masters, and I usually deal with early dt rushes around 7min mark. So after seeing his weak force up the ramp (1zeal/1stalk/1sentry) after double gas, I just assumed stargate play or dt.
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On September 01 2011 06:01 Hyeong wrote:Server: America Your Name: Hyeong Hacker Name: perseverance Replay: http://bit.ly/qTMRr5Description: Totally hacked, just watch the replay. He knew my every move and responded before I was even at location.
ok this guy is 100% bust, what a retard hahaha =) everyone should just watch this, its pure entertainment ROFL :D Highlight of the game: watch the drop at around 19min mark LOL
edit: this guy should just get instant banned asap
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On September 01 2011 06:01 Hyeong wrote:Server: America Your Name: Hyeong Hacker Name: perseverance Replay: http://bit.ly/qTMRr5Description: Totally hacked, just watch the replay. He knew my every move and responded before I was even at location.
LMFAO this is so unbelievably obvious this doesn't even need a review just mark is ASAP.
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On September 01 2011 06:01 Hyeong wrote:Server: America Your Name: Hyeong Hacker Name: perseverance Replay: http://bit.ly/qTMRr5Description: Totally hacked, just watch the replay. He knew my every move and responded before I was even at location.
best part was the medivacs AND the blink onto medivacs "before" he sees them
On August 31 2011 11:10 Perseverance wrote:
I don't understand why someone would hack while playing this game...must be a sad nerd.
oh god
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On September 01 2011 10:19 askTeivospy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 06:01 Hyeong wrote:Server: America Your Name: Hyeong Hacker Name: perseverance Replay: http://bit.ly/qTMRr5Description: Totally hacked, just watch the replay. He knew my every move and responded before I was even at location. best part was the medivacs AND the blink onto medivacs "before" he sees them Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 11:10 Perseverance wrote:
I don't understand why someone would hack while playing this game...must be a sad nerd. oh god Biggest ownage in the history of Starcraft.
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You guys, let's be honest. Perseverance is not an uncommon/unique username.
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On September 01 2011 06:01 Hyeong wrote:Server: America Your Name: Hyeong Hacker Name: perseverance Replay: http://bit.ly/qTMRr5Description: Totally hacked, just watch the replay. He knew my every move and responded before I was even at location. I just spent a fun 15 minutes mocking this dude in my GSL caster voice.
"Now why do you suppose he's heading into that fog, Artosis?" "Well Tasteless, some players spend so much time playing that they actually develop Extra-Fog Perception, or EFP. They are so intensely aware of timings and metagame fluctuations that they can make amazingly accurate educated guesses as to their opponent's opener, build, composition, and troop movements. It's hardly unheard-of, but I am quite surprised to see the ability coming from such a low-level player." *pause* *both laugh*
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On September 01 2011 10:46 Dsn4001 wrote:You guys, let's be honest. Perseverance is not an uncommon/unique username.
he just gotta prove it in-game somehow =]P
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wait, the perseverance from last page is the hacker? what?
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Did anyone think to check the VOD. ProTech streams on Justin.TV and they keep previous shows. I would check myself except my computer that i am on right now cant support watching J.TV. Plus I dont know the date. That would settle a large part of it.
Sorry if this was kind of blunt.
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I'm pretty sure it is the same perseverance. I checked his match history and he indeed did play against Hyeong earlier today.
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On September 01 2011 11:08 Coler5ta wrote: Did anyone think to check the VOD. ProTech streams on Justin.TV and they keep previous shows. I would check myself except my computer that i am on right now cant support watching J.TV. Plus I dont know the date. That would settle a large part of it.
Sorry if this was kind of blunt.
The Perseverance in that replay was indeed my account, but it was Lone playing on it, I guess trying to "get back at me" for exposing him when I found out he was a hacker (We had been good friends/always played together for 6+ months)
Lone has had all my account passwords for a long time because we used to switch accounts when we played together so he could help me get Terran/Protoss team game icons since I am only a strong zerg player.
Fortunately for me he wasn't very smart about doing it so I should be able to clear my name based on that. I will post the information I already sent in a PM to Hot_Bid.
Here it is:
First game he played was a 2v2Random, he went afk and got me a loss in Bronze league
Second game he played was a 1v1 where he again went afk and got me a loss (It was my first 1v1 of the season as well)
Third game he played was a 1v1 and he went banelings or something so it might be harder to catch him i guess I dont know
Fourth game he played zerg 1v1 and went speedling and roach, it ended in 6-7 minutes
Fifth game he played protoss and went 4gate or something
Sixth game was a 2v2 he again went afk and got me another loss in bronze
Seventh game he played toss in 1v1...not sure what he did
8th game he played a long 1v1 macro game as toss..I think he was trying to make it look like hacks here
9th game was a PvP 1v1 loss where he went fe
10th game he played toss and went for a long macro game (trying to make it look like hacks I assume)
11th game he played toss again in long 1v1 macro (again, trying to make it look like hacks I assume)
12th game was the one that someone reported....which is when he stopped playing since he got what he wanted.
Another thing to note. Why would I go afk so many times and basically auto lose for myself on my account where I have over a 90% win ratio?
Why would I BLATANTLY hack in 1v1, a gametype I don't even like or play..when I JUST started streaming my team games on TL?
The proof is thankfully in my match history...If this isn't enough proof to clear my name I started playing 2v2 on europe with Beastyqt shortly after he got done on NA on my account, and Beastyqt knew I was asleep before that so I could get him to vouch for me.
Beastyqt knew this because we are trying to make a pro 2v2 team for PTSL and other up coming 2v2 tournaments, we play together for a few hours every day and he knows my work/sleep schedule.
I mean, when the information is explained in the way it is above...it seems like common sense that it wasn't me. If you guys want to look through my match history as well to confirm what I have just posted my account info is Perseverance.721
I also don't mind talking in skype, or feel free to PM me.
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Sounds like a bunch of nonsense.
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yeah..
might be jumping to conclusions yet again, but it seems these hackers run in their little community and also enjoy playing a lot of team games together.
really sad sc2 has come to this.
Hoping Probe and the team will be able to sort this out though.
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Also why would you PM hotbid of all people. I think Probe, Toren and Arb are the people that run the TL Hack Database...
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Having tangoed with preserverence before, I can say with certainty that those are crocodile tears. He has knowningly participated in cheating at Starcraft 2 in every way possible. From win trading, to tanking to crush noobies, to knowingly play with hackers in effort to grief players.
He is part of a community of cheaters like himself, who have gone unnoticed in the SC2 community mostly because they stick to team games.
Right now he's trying to argue that because in this one instance one of his hacker friends was on his account (despite the fact that doing so it against the ToS for this very purpose), he himself is not a hacker. Either way, he is a cheater, and should not be welcome in the SC2 community ever.
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Perseverance isnt hacking for couple of reasons:
1) Games on NA were played when he was sleeping since he lives in Japan. 2) If he was actually hacking I doubt he would lose games -.- 3) If he was actually hacking he would win the qualifiers he played for 2v2 PTSL, but he lost. 4) I played over 100 games with him on EU and I can say for sure he isnt hacking because there's no reason to do so and especially instead doing it on smurf account he would do it on account he got 90% wins and lose all games? why? 5) He started streaming recently and I doubt he would start hacking now while streaming, that would be kinda stupid 6) And last but not least guy who played on his account played 1v1 games which Perseverance doesnt play at all.
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The explanation is satisfactory for me. Of course if the account Perseverance.721 comes up in the thread again it will be instantly added to the list.
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to be fair although i don't agree with the company perseverance keeps (or kept idk w/e) I honestly doubt he'd be stupid enough to look at fog of war so blatantly / make map hacking so obvious and I wouldn't put it past the company he keeps (or kept idk w/e) to do that to him if his story is the case
all of this said though
lone is definitely hack user
edit- beastyqt sums it up nicely
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On September 01 2011 12:42 Itallion wrote: Also why would you PM hotbid of all people. I think Probe, Toren and Arb are the people that run the TL Hack Database...
Hot_Bid is the only TL Admin I've ever really talked to/ played with (Even though it was only in the early beta of SC2) and I suppose I kind of freaked out and didn't think things through. I mean, when you are working hard to become a part of the SC2 community like I've been trying for the last couple weeks and someone does something as low as this...how do you think you would react.
One of the worst parts about it is Protech, who was my friend before this...doesn't even want to hear me out or anything. Nevermind the fact that I just played versus him YESTERDAY in a very long macro game (Which I'm sure he watched the replay multiple times since he lost) and there couldn't possibly been anything to suggest cheating (We went void rays versus mass queens ffs). Nevermind the fact that him and Power (His main 2v2 partner) know Lone fairly well and understand that he would definately do something low like this...
I mean...It's just sad.
When you look at it from a logical point of view there are only a few explanations to my recent match history (Where he was playing)
Lets dissect the possibilities for a moment.
First possibility
I log on to SC2 on Perseverance (apparently using a hack too) Search 2v2 Random Team, a gametype I haven't even played this season....go afk at start and dont even use my workers a lose (Why would I ever do this, on my account that was 126-10 this season?)
Then, I decide to play a 1v1...another gametype I haven't ever played this season (On my Perseverance account) and again, I afk my workers to auto lose.....(What would be the point of doing this again?)
Okay, so third game, another 1v1...do some allin and lose (I'm just getting my info from the match history, since I wasn't playing I can't say exactly what happened)
Fourth game, another 1v1 allin loss (Man, I SURE am losing a LOT with these HACKS I apparently have............)
Fifth game, now apparently I am a protoss player because I am playing protoss in 1v1....Oh hey, ANOTHER loss.
Sixth game, playing 2v2 Random Team in SILVER league, and what do you know another afk worker at the start of game loss.....
Seventh game, once again "I" am playing protoss in 1v1...looking at the build order for this match I am not sure what he (Or "I") did...but it was another loss...Keep in mind all these 1v1 losses are to diamond players. That means if it was actually me playing then I am taking games off of people like Protech/FxOptikzero/ONEKyhol/AiProClan in 2v2, but losing to Diamond players in 1v1? ESPECIALLY using a hack? Really? Does this sound like something that makes any sense at all?
eighth game, playing protoss again in 1v1...it was a long game that was yet ANOTHER loss for me
ninth game, another protoss loss in 1v1.....
tenth game, a long macro game (as toss..again) that was a WIN..my assumption is this is where he started to blatantly maphack to try to get "me" exposed.
eleventh game, another toss 1v1 game, this was the one where he got me reported...so now that his mission was accomplished he decided to log off...
So in total "I" went 2-11 in this hacking session...someone who before this had something like a 95%+ win ratio? 2-11, do you really believe this? WITH a maphack, no less?
The only other explanation other than the first one I gave (Which is what actually happened, and is also the only one which is logical) or this one that I just typed is this:
I logged into my main account with my new hack, eager to use it I purposely mass a bunch of losses and play races I dont ever play as an excuse for the TL hacker database, THEN I play some real games and hack BLATANTLY even though I know that ANYONE who is as blatant like he was in that replay of "me" would 100% get reported. Then after I get reported I spend over an hour trying to clear my name....
Again...why would anyone do this? Especially when I have multiple accounts.
IF I were to ever use a maphack (Which I would never do) why would I be so retardedly blatant about it? I am a 23 year old Non Commissioned Officer in the United States Air Force (and I can prove it) It is clear that I am not an idiot, so again...why would I do this.
This whole problem is the product of me making two poor decisions.
First Poor decision; Befriending Lone (Who is a 24 year old adult and really should conduct himself in a more adult manner)
Second Poor decision; Sharing my account information.
Feel free to PM me or post here if you have any further questions.
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WRT Lone/Deezer... there are some really odd moments (pylon block of the 6 pool) but some moments that seem to show they weren't hacking - at around 7 minutes Deezer destroys his own pylon (so he can get out of the base) but then lets lings in, if he was watching it would be obvious that he should have least left a zealot in the way.
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On September 01 2011 13:35 Italianstallion wrote: hey im Lone, i would like to say that i did not log on to Perseverance's account..either it was someone ealse or he planned all of this... short story i removed him about 3 weeks ago over a dispuit about me not thinking he is a good player ( for sum reason he thinks hes amazing) not that i think im good myself neways this causeed him to get very upset and he began to shyt talk me... i honestly think hes just trying to come up with evidence that i hack or sumthing.. i have proof that he has used hacks in the past ..3 replays of him hacking on his akas to be exact... any moderator can msg me and i will email them a replay...also i dont see the logic in what hes saying we have been non mutual for almost a month he accuses me of hacks and implys that i have his login info.... sounds really suspect to me..didnt think id ever say this but i agree with protech hacker 100%
how are you 24 years old
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If you want to attack each other make a blog. Otherwise please stick to submitting replays or reviewing submitted replays.
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On September 01 2011 13:04 Probe1 wrote: The explanation is satisfactory for me. Of course if the account Perseverance.721 comes up in the thread again it will be instantly added to the list. oh dear you must be new. that's the weakest bunch of excuses i've seen. If people were as lenient as you in BroodWar no hacker would ever be outed, because there people really could make up solid excuses. The very least you couldve done is suggest he complains to blizzard that his account's security has been breached and it is his job to provides us with proof of them confirming that fact. If Undercover came here and said it was deezer who hacked on his account would u also hold that true?
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On September 01 2011 16:35 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 13:04 Probe1 wrote: The explanation is satisfactory for me. Of course if the account Perseverance.721 comes up in the thread again it will be instantly added to the list. oh dear you must be new. that's the weakest bunch of excuses i've seen. If people were as lenient as you in BroodWar no hacker would ever be outed, because there people really could make up solid excuses. The very least you couldve done is suggest he complains to blizzard that his account's security has been breached and it is his job to provides us with proof of them confirming that fact. If Undercover came here and said it was deezer who hacked on his account would u also hold that true?
Kinda have to agree with this one, considering the person who is "suspected" of playing on Perseverance's account is calling bs on his story.
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TL AntiHack:
Weak evidence for hacks (i.e. not enough evidence by themselves): Proxying the correct location without scouting.
Boo Hoo, I sent a probe directly to your base on a 4 player map and made 2 proxy gateway. It was a lucky guess. If u weren't there I would of left game (EZMoto is my smurf account for fun). I did this because I knew if I actually guessed correctly you would rage and make me laugh (cuz of ur bm history and hacking paranoia). And I never hacked in Broodwar u idiot. U were the one hacking.
And you fkn accuse everyone of hacking. And you're bm. Why you think JediGamer got kicked out of coL academy? Because he's bm and cries when he loses and calls people hackers. He called EtsurLizzuma "hacker" like 50x in col academy.
And it doesn't even matter to me if you put my name as hacker, it'll just give me more attention that I want.
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On September 01 2011 16:35 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 13:04 Probe1 wrote: The explanation is satisfactory for me. Of course if the account Perseverance.721 comes up in the thread again it will be instantly added to the list. oh dear you must be new. that's the weakest bunch of excuses i've seen. If people were as lenient as you in BroodWar no hacker would ever be outed, because there people really could make up solid excuses. The very least you couldve done is suggest he complains to blizzard that his account's security has been breached and it is his job to provides us with proof of them confirming that fact. If Undercover came here and said it was deezer who hacked on his account would u also hold that true?
This is actually a good idea, Do I just call customer service? I will take this to PM
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On September 01 2011 12:37 ProTech wrote: Sounds like a bunch of nonsense. Jeez, give somebody the benefit of the doubt for once.
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Sad to see that instead of looking like a place to report hackers, this place has turned into some type of drama fest where people who submit replays automatically have the other guy come into the thread and write a long paragraph why they aren't hacking. Why can't people just shut up and wait for the smart people to review the data that they have?
If you have a problem or an excuse, send it via PM instead of shitting all over this thread.
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On September 01 2011 23:10 Demonace34 wrote: Sad to see that instead of looking like a place to report hackers, this place has turned into some type of drama fest where people who submit replays automatically have the other guy come into the thread and write a long paragraph why they aren't hacking. Why can't people just shut up and wait for the smart people to review the data that they have?
If you have a problem or an excuse, send it via PM instead of shitting all over this thread.
That's just what I was thinking, QFT. I am so disgusted from this drama, that I'll refrain from actually reviewing replays, until everything is put in order and this thread is hopefully cleaned.
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MMXMoto just implied on Destiny's stream that he was Combat-EX.
He said he sniped Destiny, and when Destiny asked who he was, he said "Let me give you a hint: eZ"
He says he didn't realize that Destiny was streaming. Which doesn't make sense, because how did (he says) he snipe Destiny? Of course, it could just be MMXMoto being a dick.
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MMX.moto is a guy willing to do anything to stir shit up. I did hack in SC1, honestly not because I enjoyed it... but because it seemed like everyone I was playing on east/west/iccup was. Later we found out that tons of people were hacking on iccup. It was a bad decision by me, and I regretted it.
I haven't hacked once on SC2, that "Ambrosia" nickname has never been mine in SC2. In fact I'm pretty sure theres like 3 Ambrosia's on bnet. I stream EVERY day for like 5-6 hours of ladder. I study this game. Nobody has even come close to thinking I hacked besides some random TMC guy who dropped it after it was obvious I wasn't.
I think the thread is derailing when the mods are letting the alleged hackers defend themselves over and over. Just for the record this Moto guy has all the streamers on his friends list, and doesn't actually stream cheat, he maphacks. I can confirm this because in 3/4 of the games he proxied. , which btw I'm above posting a screenshot but I crushed him last 2 times- he did so blindly, my stream was blackenned or off.
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On September 02 2011 00:26 JediGamer wrote: MMX.moto is a guy willing to do anything to stir shit up. I did hack in SC1, honestly not because I enjoyed it... but because it seemed like everyone I was playing on east/west/iccup was. Later we found out that tons of people were hacking on iccup. It was a bad decision by me, and I regretted it.
I haven't hacked once on SC2, that "Ambrosia" nickname has never been mine in SC2. In fact I'm pretty sure theres like 3 Ambrosia's on bnet. I stream EVERY day for like 5-6 hours of ladder. I study this game. Nobody has even come close to thinking I hacked besides some random TMC guy who dropped it after it was obvious I wasn't.
I think the thread is derailing when the mods are letting the alleged hackers defend themselves over and over. Just for the record this Moto guy has all the streamers on his friends list, and doesn't actually stream cheat, he maphacks. I can confirm this because in 3/4 of the games he proxied. , which btw I'm above posting a screenshot but I crushed him last 2 times- he did so blindly, my stream was blackenned or off.
I am 5-1 vs u.
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JediGamer and MMXMoto-X17, I'm warning both of you to keep your stupid drama out of this thread or you will be banned. Thanks.
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Although ProTech is known for accusing every one who beats him of hacker or stream cheater.... Lone's record is too good to be legitimate. The guy is not an elite player by any means yet look at his stats.
Not even grand masters have a better win% than him. Definitely a cheater.
Deezer is the biggest ass hole on BNET so wouldn't surprise me if he's hacking too.
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Haha, just saw JediGamer play rainbow and this guy was all kinds of BM. Threaten to slit rainbow's throat IRL and all that jazz. With that alone his words should be taken with a grain of salt.
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As far as I am concerned we are all responsible for our own accounts. Perserverance was hacking. I don't care if it was him playing his account or not. He hacked = BAN!
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On September 02 2011 07:27 Hyeong wrote: As far as I am concerned we are all responsible for our own accounts. Perserverance was hacking. I don't care if it was him playing his account or not. He hacked = BAN!
Sharing account is against the EULA anyways...
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Hi I'm not sure if this is where I'm suppose to post but, I chased your probe because no one on Shattered Temple ever 9 pylon scouts me (I mean honestly, how often does a probe ever get to your base THAT quick?) and half the time when they do 9 pylon scout me it's a cannon rush or a 2gate. Also you kept sending your probe to the back of my mineral line which is basically telling me you are cannon rushing me.
Sorry that I'm not an idiot.
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On September 02 2011 06:10 LucidZerg wrote: Haha, just saw JediGamer play rainbow and this guy was all kinds of BM. Threaten to slit rainbow's throat IRL and all that jazz. With that alone his words should be taken with a grain of salt. i didnt want to pollute this thread further, but jedigamer is a miserable bastard and should not be allowed to be a part of this community. I don't understand why Kenningit's lifetime ban isnt upheld.
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On September 02 2011 19:35 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 06:10 LucidZerg wrote: Haha, just saw JediGamer play rainbow and this guy was all kinds of BM. Threaten to slit rainbow's throat IRL and all that jazz. With that alone his words should be taken with a grain of salt. i didnt want to pollute this thread further, but jedigamer is a miserable bastard and should not be allowed to be a part of this community. I don't understand why Kenningit's lifetime ban isnt upheld.
Well I'm currently here to report hackers I have played on ladder like Genesis, EzMoto, MMX.Moto, Deezer, and some others. I haven't seen you report anyone.... Also yes I rage on ladder but I also do a lot to help the community. And btw I wished Rainbow GL HF and then he trolled me in the game so I don't feel as bad as I usually would :/. Lets stick to reporting hackers and not drama in this.
Edit: Check lones profile on SC2, youll easily find that he maphacks, as well as "oGsNada". 120-7 in 1v1, rank 40... lol. Someone should get in contact with blizzard because Lone, Sorcery, and oGsNada would take like 1 glimpse to ban for hacking.
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+ dont forget Perseverance the hacker shitkid of doom, he also plays in 2v2 team with oGsNada, what a bunch of scrubs.
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On August 11 2011 16:08 Juvant wrote:Server: NA Your Name: Juvant Hacker Name: Spectre Replay: http://drop.sc/25983Description: Watched this replay without thinking anything suspect was going on, but noticed that during several battles spectre's apm spiked to 600-1200. Thought this was impossible, which I believe it is, so I had my teammate watch it as well. He noticed that at 12 minutes, if you watch from Spectre's view, his stalkers are blinking on the minimap, across the map, while he macros in his base. All with his impossibly high apm. At about 19:20, his apm hits 900 and remains between 900 and 1200 for the next 20 ingame seconds, including a few seconds when he looks away from the battle at his expansion, while still microing.
I can reach 9600 APM very easily while doing practically nothing. no hacks or anything like that. Shall I demonstrate? One second perhaps I shall.
Here ya go guys.
7800 APM replay.
Ok I couldnt get it to 9600 this time but I think 7800 is enviable dont you guys think?
All it takes is a certain kind of keyboard. i think im going to keep this URL handy for all future APM debates.
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On August 29 2011 04:13 ProTech wrote:Server: NA Your Name: ProTech Hacker Name: Lone / RatZDeeZer Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/6T9PgcDescription: Map hacking and or production tab hacking. 6 Pool goes down, they haven't scouted the base. Deezer puts a pylon at the front of the choke to block the lings cancels the pylon for no apparent reason ( probably because it would look like cheating / hacking. ) Waits for the lings to get in vision and then drops the pylon again. Obvious hacking / cheating. You'll also notice that I stream 100% of my games, but because it was deezer we que'd against, I blacked my stream, and you hear Lone say in the game " Omfg black screen? Nerd " So that's proof that I blacked my stream before this game started knowing who we were playing. That being said this replay is 100% proof of them either 1) Lone hacking, or 2) Deezer hacking I can't be sure cause they might be using skype or something and lone might just be telling deezer what's coming. Either way, this replay is 100% solid proof that one of these players are hacking.
2:40 - Lone finishes his Barracks several seconds before the 6 pool arrives, but does not get an orbital command. This is only something a high level player would do vs a 6pool. (extra scvs for defense instead of mule)
5:40 - 3rd rax goes down but canceled the second Banshee/cloak starts. Engineering bay conveniently goes down as banshee closes in.
5:57 - Deezer is teching to robo, until Protech suddenly switches back to making lings + speed. He then throws down a second gateway, and then another. (keep in mind he isn't even chronoboosting warpgate research)
6:55 - Runs stalker to mineral line as cloaked banshee approaches. And then rallies Observer to stalkers in the mineral line. (absolutely zero scouting)
7:10 - Lings are in his base running rampant and what does he chronoboost? An observer... However just by happenstance a cloaked banshee just happens to be seconds away from his base. (unscouted)
10:30 - doesn't get a single Immortal until the exact moment Destructive starts making a tank.
Keep in mind that RatzDeezer and Lone never once scouted outside their base. No worker scout, no scan, nothing.
Coincidences and smart timings do exist, but when you have so many convenient blind moves, it starts to smell fishy.
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SGTofLuck is oGsNada which is Pandemic...
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On September 02 2011 13:37 Xtkq wrote:Hi I'm not sure if this is where I'm suppose to post but, I chased your probe because no one on Shattered Temple ever 9 pylon scouts me (I mean honestly, how often does a probe ever get to your base THAT quick?) and half the time when they do 9 pylon scout me it's a cannon rush or a 2gate. Also you kept sending your probe to the back of my mineral line which is basically telling me you are cannon rushing me. Sorry that I'm not an idiot.
so 'Xtkq,' how about you show everyone that replay where i 'maphacked?' i seriously would love for you to post that replay
in the words of the master himself, "Sorry that I'm not an idiot."
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On September 03 2011 05:17 proxima_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 13:37 Xtkq wrote:Hi I'm not sure if this is where I'm suppose to post but, I chased your probe because no one on Shattered Temple ever 9 pylon scouts me (I mean honestly, how often does a probe ever get to your base THAT quick?) and half the time when they do 9 pylon scout me it's a cannon rush or a 2gate. Also you kept sending your probe to the back of my mineral line which is basically telling me you are cannon rushing me. Sorry that I'm not an idiot. so 'Xtkq,' how about you show everyone that replay where i 'maphacked?' i seriously would love for you to post that replay in the words of the master himself, "Sorry that I'm not an idiot."
I am 100% Xtkq maphacks or production tab hacks. His movements were just too obvious when I was playing. idc what anyone says, I just know. proxima_ can u look at ur replay vs him and see if there's any suspicious moves he made. tHx.
To Xtkq:
Bro, u had 18 probes and still didn't even send your first scout. And ur probe movements were FKN pathetically obvious.
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On September 03 2011 03:24 tdsjp wrote: SGTofLuck is oGsNada which is Pandemic...
ahahahahahaha, really?
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Server: NA Your Name: AnatoLiy Hacker Name: SkyHigh SC2ranks BNet Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/43zn7t Description: Looked at my base through fog of war MULTIPLE times, NEVER scouted. Blindly 2 rax pushed my 15 nexus on tal'darim alter and he still lost horribly.
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so 'Xtkq,' how about you show everyone that replay where i 'maphacked?' i seriously would love for you to post that replay
in the words of the master himself, "Sorry that I'm not an idiot."
Yeah I won't lie when that game happened I thought you we're hacking, I could of swore that pylon would be out of range of anything (the warp-in was on the bitter edge of the ramp), but you barely had vision on my pylon after watching the replay. Apologies for false accusations, I was wrong. I don't think it helps I was on a major loosing streak, sorry I took it out on you.
I am 100% Xtkq maphacks or production tab hacks. His movements were just too obvious when I was playing. idc what anyone says, I just know. proxima_ can u look at ur replay vs him and see if there's any suspicious moves he made. tHx.
To Xtkq:
Bro, u had 18 probes and still didn't even send your first scout. And ur probe movements were FKN pathetically obvious.
I don't normally scout until after Cybernetics in PvP (17 food).
Your probe enters my base at 1:21 (iirc), which is extremely early. I instantly think something is up, I haven't even dropped my cyber core yet, at this point I'm thinking proxy 2gate or cannon rush, you consistently try to put your probe at the back of my mineral line to to presumably block me and try to kill me. No one scouts somebody at 1:21 in PvP, I think you can agree with that.
I forgot to scout because I was to preoccupied with killing your probe.
I'm not going to sit here and try to convince you, because apparently you've got your own stuff to worry about. Everyone in this thread has pinned you as hacking as well, and your apparently somewhat of a pinhead as everyone here has been suggesting.
The fact you think that someone shouldn't be suspicious of a scout entering your base at 1:21 is barbaric.
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sooo...oGsNaDa aka SgtOfLuck...whats the verdict on him being a hacker? I saw his name in the other thread as well
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On September 03 2011 11:28 KoDo wrote: sooo...oGsNaDa aka SgtOfLuck...whats the verdict on him being a hacker? I saw his name in the other thread as well
I'm sure Perseverance will come defend him not before long :p
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On September 03 2011 11:28 KoDo wrote: sooo...oGsNaDa aka SgtOfLuck...whats the verdict on him being a hacker? I saw his name in the other thread as well Are you saying this with a serious face? There is no replay or accusations, lets not turn this thread into a witch hunt, im surprised teamliquid allowed the thread to derail like this to the point where it is just trolling.
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On September 03 2011 00:35 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 16:08 Juvant wrote:Server: NA Your Name: Juvant Hacker Name: Spectre Replay: http://drop.sc/25983Description: Watched this replay without thinking anything suspect was going on, but noticed that during several battles spectre's apm spiked to 600-1200. Thought this was impossible, which I believe it is, so I had my teammate watch it as well. He noticed that at 12 minutes, if you watch from Spectre's view, his stalkers are blinking on the minimap, across the map, while he macros in his base. All with his impossibly high apm. At about 19:20, his apm hits 900 and remains between 900 and 1200 for the next 20 ingame seconds, including a few seconds when he looks away from the battle at his expansion, while still microing. I can reach 9600 APM very easily while doing practically nothing. no hacks or anything like that. Shall I demonstrate? One second perhaps I shall. Here ya go guys. 7800 APM replay.Ok I couldnt get it to 9600 this time but I think 7800 is enviable dont you guys think? All it takes is a certain kind of keyboard. i think im going to keep this URL handy for all future APM debates. He was blink micro'ing without the stalkers selected.
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Server: EU Your Name: TrueAmerican Hacker: meh replays: [url blocked] Description: Maphack
This one is really obvious. I played this guy 2 games in a row. First game you can see evidence everywhere: -doesnt scout -positions army to snipe observers as they are moving across the map, -A moves to kill scouting units he doesnt see -builds buildings reactively to what i am making with no scouting (as in he does a mirror build but slower) -positions army for fights he doesnt see coming -prepares for DT's with no scouting. -then of course low apm below 50
Game 2: -once again doesnt scout, but tries to act like he doesnt know what im doing. sends one out at 20ish food. -builds reactively to what im doing and mirrors me again -moves out to attack me but once he sees me coming out of my base he runs back -A moves to snipes my probe which was going to build a forward pylon without seeing it coming -then once again low apm
These games are as clear as it gets.
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These two replays needs to be confirmed:
+ Show Spoiler +On August 30 2011 05:55 InfC.AnatoLiy wrote:Server: NA Your Name: AnatoLiy Hacker Name: Codine Bnet profile Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/wQvDLDescription: Was playing against Codine on Searing Crater (4 player map). First off, he didn't bother scouting, only spread 1 creeptumor to connect main to his natural and didn't bother spreading any further than that, didn't bother spreading overlords and most importantly didn't bother at any point in the game controlling the xel'naga tower. Now for the juicy stuff: + Show Spoiler +(All times listed are relative to the game clock above mini map) 1) At 1:25 he looks at my pylon built at my choke through Fog of War(fow). 2) At 3:30 he looks and follows my probe that is coming back to his main through fow. 3) At 3:59 he looks again at my choke without moving units to it through fow. 4) 4:05 intercepts my scouting probe looking for an expansion at his third. 5) 4:25-4:27 looks at my main and centers screen over my 2nd gas through fow. (Keep in mind this whole time he is looking at my base he has yet to get inside with anything).
****6) 6:02-6:05 Looks at my main and sees a chrono boosted stargate through fow. Responds immediately by laying down an evolution chamber.
****7) 8:13-8:15 Looks at my 2 void rays that are travelling to his base through fow.
8) 8:28 Looks at my expansion through fow without moving units to it. 9) 9:49-9:51 Looks at my army through fow without moving units to it. 10) 18:25-18:27 Looks at my army destroying rocks at the golden base through fow. Proceeds to immediately break his own rocks right after seeing me do it first. 11) 20:30-20:34 Looks at my base through fow before trying to harass with mutas. 12) 21:30 Looks at my choke through fow without moving units to it. 13) 22:27 Intercepts my army while watching it through fow with mutas as his lings were attacking my third. 14) 24:47 Looks at my group of stalkers at my choke through fow. Then proceeds to instead attack my third.
Sad thing is, I almost won too. Was unfamiliar with the map and as I went to his most obvious third, I went the unsafe route instead of breaking rocks to get by.
and this one:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 03 2011 08:21 InfC.AnatoLiy wrote:Server: NA Your Name: AnatoLiy Hacker Name: SkyHigh SC2ranks BNetReplay: http://replayfu.com/r/43zn7tDescription: Looked at my base through fog of war MULTIPLE times, NEVER scouted. Blindly 2 rax pushed my 15 nexus on tal'darim alter and he still lost horribly.
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Server : EU Your Name : BeyondLimits Hacker name : Meh Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?4t6ejqdd0iqcbla Description : maphacking
Few fog of war peaks (not early game mid when I was at xel naga towers clicks first double drop while not in his sight, perfectly defends all drops without knowing they're coming.)
And as usual as maphackers are kid was atrocius.
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Server: NA Your Name: Stratos Hacker Name: LDU Replay:http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/12647 Description: Guy who counter every single unit i made without scout. He had all his army in the middle of the map but when i made a drop he moved his group to his main without even see the drop and then he just wait till the dts starts to attack.
edit: In some points of the game he sniped my units on the xel naga and the move to his base again, but the interesintg fact is when i moved an obs to the left xel naga and he moved his army to there with no detection, then he pulled back his group to his natural and then again to the xel naga with detection.
I'm not even in the mod to write, is so f..... hard to win for me and there's a lot of f..... hackers in this game :/
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Server: NA Your Name:Weend Hacker Name: Liberal Replay: Liberal Maphack http://www.mediafire.com/?1al1cmdbnm71fnz Description: My friend played this team-game and complained and I examined the replay and believe the person to have map hacked. at the start he checks fog of war and sends units to a hidden rax which was to be used for scouting, later on in the game he sends units across the map to attack his teams units not seeing the units. he checks fog of war nearly all game in obscure places
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I'm watching these and there will be updates in the near future to the list.
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Server: NA Your Name: Universum.931 Hacker Name: Legendary (http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1551249/1/Legendary) Replay: No replays Description:
She was a friend of mine until I found out she hacked in 1vs1. Games lasts between 4 seconds to 30 seconds and she wins while ''No Actions'' appear in the build order. I've chatted with some of her opponents, and they said they were dropped. She quits 50% games to remain in bronze, probably to abuse the inexperience of those players in spotting the hack. I Reported her, you should do so.
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Why is it taking so long to confirm that Lone is a hacker, you have like 20 replays of him on here already.
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On September 06 2011 06:36 ProTech wrote: Why is it taking so long to confirm that Lone is a hacker, you have like 20 replays of him on here already.
Link for the replay doesn't work
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On September 06 2011 08:15 Stra-toss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 06:36 ProTech wrote: Why is it taking so long to confirm that Lone is a hacker, you have like 20 replays of him on here already. Link for the replay doesn't work
I believe the one I posted on the first page still works. Two replays should be enough to confirm it in my opinion. The one I posted was already "suspicious" enough. And now a second one came in with some other "suspicious" moves. I was positive that it would have been enough to confirm him already...
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On September 06 2011 06:36 ProTech wrote: Why is it taking so long to confirm that Lone is a hacker, you have like 20 replays of him on here already. i dont think the evidence you have is substantial enough to confirm....
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We're working on it - family stuff over the long weekend. Keep in mind Probe1 and I both have full time jobs outside of SC2 :p
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i realize that the point of this thread is to expose hackers i might not have proof..i dont think its even warranted... this player was 50% masters now 88% top GM... i know for a fact thatt oGsNada is 100% hacking and his akas are pandemic,SubCooled( SGTofLuck,accused of hacks season 2) wrongfully unaccused because he sent a letter in to an admin of the hacking forum for some reason it worked and he was wipped from the list, ...well almost all my team games are with him this season i was able to get an amazing record in team because hes a good player who also is also hacking and telling me on skype how to counter and what there going everygame im sure Power has replays where you can see obv hacks im going to msg him for possible upload...on another note i think since hes top 50 GM on 2 diff accounts i think this player needs to be exposed funny how sumone could be top 50 GM 87% like 250-40 ratio and not be "on a team or a progamer" he might say hes buisy with school and such but the truth is hes on all day everyday and doesnt join a team because he cant hack at real events and would further expose himself feel free to msg or PM me with any questions you might have thanks and i hope this helps the community!
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I believe I have already sent a replay to Torenhire with oGsNada in it.
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Hokay... gonna start reviewing replays cause everyone else is busy. Will update my post with each game as I watch it.
On September 03 2011 16:50 TheTrueAmerican wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Server: EU Your Name: TrueAmerican Hacker: meh replays: [url blocked] Description: Maphack
This one is really obvious. I played this guy 2 games in a row. First game you can see evidence everywhere: -doesnt scout -positions army to snipe observers as they are moving across the map, -A moves to kill scouting units he doesnt see -builds buildings reactively to what i am making with no scouting (as in he does a mirror build but slower) -positions army for fights he doesnt see coming -prepares for DT's with no scouting. -then of course low apm below 50
Game 2: -once again doesnt scout, but tries to act like he doesnt know what im doing. sends one out at 20ish food. -builds reactively to what im doing and mirrors me again -moves out to attack me but once he sees me coming out of my base he runs back -A moves to snipes my probe which was going to build a forward pylon without seeing it coming -then once again low apm
These games are as clear as it gets.
Watched Game1 from meh's POV: + Show Spoiler + 5:06 - he moves his units immediately down his ramp after his stalker pops out even though your units are not visible. It appears to be anticipated. 6:09 - same things happen-- his units move out just as yours happen to walk into the natural, even though he has no vision. 6:30 - sends his stalkers straight to your hidden probe-- part of a command queue but still a bit suspicious. He also queues his zealot around the natural for no reason though so could be coincidence. 7:50 - moves his stalkers to the back of his base and when his observer pops out just happens to be right as your observer comes in and is shot down by his stalkers. 13:30 - he sends his stalkers around to kill your obs. I can see the blur when there is an obs a lot of times, but the way he sends his stalkers around the base in a big loop to your obs and doesn't notice it with his camera right away seems a bit suspicious. 15:11 - he sets a robo rally to the bottom of your ramp... which he has never scouted once, before building his obs. 15:45 - moves his whole army to intercept a zealot through the fow. 19:40 - intercepts a zealot again. 19:50 - moves whole army to prepare for attack on his third. Rocks covered by fow. ~24:00 - starts throwing down cannons everywhere just as the Dark Shrine is half way completed for you.
Not sure why you mention his apm? Regardless though, this seems like a pretty straight forward map-hack using mini-map only (no suspicious FOW staring, just really blatant interception of stuff in FOW), and pretty likely to be a production hack. Don't think I need to watch the second game as well in this case.
On September 04 2011 01:22 InfC.AnatoLiy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +These two replays needs to be confirmed: + Show Spoiler +On August 30 2011 05:55 InfC.AnatoLiy wrote:Server: NA Your Name: AnatoLiy Hacker Name: Codine Bnet profile Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/wQvDLDescription: Was playing against Codine on Searing Crater (4 player map). First off, he didn't bother scouting, only spread 1 creeptumor to connect main to his natural and didn't bother spreading any further than that, didn't bother spreading overlords and most importantly didn't bother at any point in the game controlling the xel'naga tower. Now for the juicy stuff: + Show Spoiler +(All times listed are relative to the game clock above mini map) 1) At 1:25 he looks at my pylon built at my choke through Fog of War(fow). 2) At 3:30 he looks and follows my probe that is coming back to his main through fow. 3) At 3:59 he looks again at my choke without moving units to it through fow. 4) 4:05 intercepts my scouting probe looking for an expansion at his third. 5) 4:25-4:27 looks at my main and centers screen over my 2nd gas through fow. (Keep in mind this whole time he is looking at my base he has yet to get inside with anything).
****6) 6:02-6:05 Looks at my main and sees a chrono boosted stargate through fow. Responds immediately by laying down an evolution chamber.
****7) 8:13-8:15 Looks at my 2 void rays that are travelling to his base through fow.
8) 8:28 Looks at my expansion through fow without moving units to it. 9) 9:49-9:51 Looks at my army through fow without moving units to it. 10) 18:25-18:27 Looks at my army destroying rocks at the golden base through fow. Proceeds to immediately break his own rocks right after seeing me do it first. 11) 20:30-20:34 Looks at my base through fow before trying to harass with mutas. 12) 21:30 Looks at my choke through fow without moving units to it. 13) 22:27 Intercepts my army while watching it through fow with mutas as his lings were attacking my third. 14) 24:47 Looks at my group of stalkers at my choke through fow. Then proceeds to instead attack my third.
Sad thing is, I almost won too. Was unfamiliar with the map and as I went to his most obvious third, I went the unsafe route instead of breaking rocks to get by. and this one: + Show Spoiler +On September 03 2011 08:21 InfC.AnatoLiy wrote:Server: NA Your Name: AnatoLiy Hacker Name: SkyHigh SC2ranks BNetReplay: http://replayfu.com/r/43zn7tDescription: Looked at my base through fog of war MULTIPLE times, NEVER scouted. Blindly 2 rax pushed my 15 nexus on tal'darim alter and he still lost horribly.
I attempted to open both replays and got directed to a random page for the website not existing or something of that sort.
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On September 07 2011 06:11 Italianstallion wrote: hacker name: SGTofLuck , Pandemic, oGsNada, SubCooled, Pandemic is already banned i believe he hasnt logged the account since last season,Nerbrain 0-9 masters cause he doesnt hack on this last account account
heres a convo from when he got a private mh on skype [7/27/2011 4:17:18 PM] Eric Mhi: yo [7/27/2011 4:17:20 PM] Eric Mhi: valiant chaos hack [7/27/2011 4:17:22 PM] Eric Mhi: is cracked [7/27/2011 4:17:24 PM] Eric Mhi: no call atm [7/27/2011 4:17:27 PM] Eric Mhi: payed [7/27/2011 4:17:28 PM] Eric Mhi: for nothing [7/27/2011 4:17:30 PM] Eric Mhi: lol [7/27/2011 4:17:31 PM] Eric Mhi: they decoded and cracked it [7/27/2011 4:17:34 PM] Eric Mhi: and valiant chaos [7/27/2011 4:17:35 PM] Eric Mhi: admited [7/27/2011 4:17:35 PM] Eric Mhi: he cant do a [7/27/2011 4:17:37 PM] Eric Mhi: anything [7/27/2011 4:17:40 PM] Eric Mhi: about it [7/27/2011 4:17:44 PM] Eric Mhi: its public now [7/27/2011 4:17:45 PM] Eric Mhi: ROFL [7/27/2011 4:17:45 PM] Eric Mhi: payed 60$ [7/27/2011 4:17:49 PM] Eric Mhi: ROOFl [7/27/2011 4:17:54 PM] JP: so cancel paylment? [7/27/2011 4:18:07 PM] Eric Mhi: nah [7/27/2011 4:18:07 PM] Eric Mhi: he said [7/27/2011 4:18:08 PM] Eric Mhi: in future [7/27/2011 4:18:09 PM] *** Call to Eric 'SoL' Shi, no answer. *** [7/27/2011 4:18:10 PM] Eric Mhi: he'll make it so [7/27/2011 4:18:10 PM] Eric Mhi: if people [7/27/2011 4:18:13 PM] Eric Mhi: crack it [7/27/2011 4:18:15 PM] Eric Mhi: they'll get banned [7/27/2011 4:18:20 PM] Eric Mhi: aka warden protection goes off [7/27/2011 4:18:29 PM] Eric Mhi: he says he knows his mistake [7/27/2011 4:18:34 PM] JP: i dont really care tbh its only 60 [7/27/2011 4:18:36 PM] Eric Mhi: yea same [7/27/2011 4:18:37 PM] Eric Mhi: basically [7/27/2011 4:18:39 PM] JP: and i like to know i get service [7/27/2011 4:18:39 PM] Eric Mhi: you know how the names [7/27/2011 4:18:40 PM] Eric Mhi: are encoded [7/27/2011 4:18:42 PM] Eric Mhi: into the program [7/27/2011 4:18:45 PM] Eric Mhi: it was an ecryption [7/27/2011 4:18:46 PM] Eric Mhi: that [7/27/2011 4:18:47 PM] Eric Mhi: anyone can break [7/27/2011 4:18:49 PM] Eric Mhi: including blizzard [7/27/2011 4:18:52 PM] Eric Mhi: so if this guy [7/27/2011 4:18:53 PM] Eric Mhi: didnt do it [7/27/2011 4:18:55 PM] Eric Mhi: we woulda been all banned [7/27/2011 4:18:56 PM] Eric Mhi: rofl [7/27/2011 4:18:57 PM] Eric Mhi: this dude is sketchy now [7/27/2011 4:19:06 PM] Eric Mhi: our names [7/27/2011 4:19:06 PM] JP: whos sketchy? [7/27/2011 4:19:07 PM] Eric Mhi: can be accesssed [7/27/2011 4:19:11 PM] Eric Mhi: by downloading the hac [7/27/2011 4:19:16 PM] Eric Mhi: you can break the encryption [7/27/2011 4:19:17 PM] Eric Mhi: in the file [7/27/2011 4:19:17 PM] JP: o [7/27/2011 4:19:20 PM] Eric Mhi: and find all the ppl who us eit [7/27/2011 4:19:22 PM] Eric Mhi: in th ecurrent version [7/27/2011 4:19:24 PM] Eric Mhi: so he fucked up hard I doubt this is a real transcript, because to my knowledge VCMH has always been a free public MH, it was never a pay to use private one.
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I already mentioned sgtofluck was a potential hacker but then perseverance came in and said he wasn't and i'm wrong and blah blah blah, and several posts later he got exposed as a maphacker as well.
pretty lame how these 2vs2er community hackers will go to defend/backstab each other
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[QUOTE]On September 07 2011 06:52 gosuMalicE wrote: [QUOTE]On September 07 2011 06:11 Italianstallion wrote:
I doubt this is a real transcript, because to my knowledge VCMH has always been a free public MH, it was never a pay to use private one. [/QUOTE]
I just done a quick search on google about that and it's wrong. From what i've seen, there is a public version that was cracked and a private one. I won't post it here since it has no place in the TL forum.
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Server: NA Your Name: Jonyrodrguez Hacker Name: ClubGlam Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?2x4yemjlnqkq1fr Description : Looks at fog at least 5 times in 2 minutes, proxy gates without scouting and ends up losing
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On September 07 2011 08:08 Itallion wrote: I already mentioned sgtofluck was a potential hacker but then perseverance came in and said he wasn't and i'm wrong and blah blah blah, and several posts later he got exposed as a maphacker as well.
pretty lame how these 2vs2er community hackers will go to defend/backstab each other
All I said was I checked the season 2 database thread and his name wasn't there Meaning when you said he was a confirmed hacker in season 2 you were lying. How exactly is that wrong?
As far as that skype convo goes though, If it's actually real then Lone is basically admitting to being a hacker.
[7/27/2011 4:17:31 PM] Eric Mhi: they decoded and cracked it [7/27/2011 4:17:34 PM] Eric Mhi: and valiant chaos [7/27/2011 4:17:35 PM] Eric Mhi: admited [7/27/2011 4:17:35 PM] Eric Mhi: he cant do a [7/27/2011 4:17:37 PM] Eric Mhi: anything [7/27/2011 4:17:40 PM] Eric Mhi: about it [7/27/2011 4:17:44 PM] Eric Mhi: its public now [7/27/2011 4:17:45 PM] Eric Mhi: ROFL [7/27/2011 4:17:45 PM] Eric Mhi: payed 60$ [7/27/2011 4:17:49 PM] Eric Mhi: ROOFl [7/27/2011 4:17:54 PM] JP: so cancel paylment? [7/27/2011 4:18:07 PM] Eric Mhi: nah [7/27/2011 4:18:07 PM] Eric Mhi: he said [7/27/2011 4:18:08 PM] Eric Mhi: in future [7/27/2011 4:18:09 PM] *** Call to Eric 'SoL' Shi, no answer. *** [7/27/2011 4:18:10 PM] Eric Mhi: he'll make it so [7/27/2011 4:18:10 PM] Eric Mhi: if people [7/27/2011 4:18:13 PM] Eric Mhi: crack it [7/27/2011 4:18:15 PM] Eric Mhi: they'll get banned [7/27/2011 4:18:20 PM] Eric Mhi: aka warden protection goes off [7/27/2011 4:18:29 PM] Eric Mhi: he says he knows his mistake [7/27/2011 4:18:34 PM] JP: i dont really care tbh its only 60 [7/27/2011 4:18:36 PM] Eric Mhi: yea same [7/27/2011 4:18:37 PM] Eric Mhi: basically [7/27/2011 4:18:39 PM] JP: and i like to know i get service [7/27/2011 4:18:39 PM] Eric Mhi: you know how the names [7/27/2011 4:18:40 PM] Eric Mhi: are encoded [7/27/2011 4:18:42 PM] Eric Mhi: into the program [7/27/2011 4:18:45 PM] Eric Mhi: it was an ecryption [7/27/2011 4:18:46 PM] Eric Mhi: that [7/27/2011 4:18:47 PM] Eric Mhi: anyone can break [7/27/2011 4:18:49 PM] Eric Mhi: including blizzard [7/27/2011 4:18:52 PM] Eric Mhi: so if this guy [7/27/2011 4:18:53 PM] Eric Mhi: didnt do it [7/27/2011 4:18:55 PM] Eric Mhi: we woulda been all banned [7/27/2011 4:18:56 PM] Eric Mhi: rofl [7/27/2011 4:18:57 PM] Eric Mhi: this dude is sketchy now [7/27/2011 4:19:06 PM] Eric Mhi: our names [7/27/2011 4:19:06 PM] JP: whos sketchy? [7/27/2011 4:19:07 PM] Eric Mhi: can be accesssed [7/27/2011 4:19:11 PM] Eric Mhi: by downloading the hac [7/27/2011 4:19:16 PM] Eric Mhi: you can break the encryption [7/27/2011 4:19:17 PM] Eric Mhi: in the file [7/27/2011 4:19:17 PM] JP: o
Lone aka JP makes it look like he sent the payment for this hack, then stated that he doesn't really care if its cracked or not because he only had to pay $60.
When it comes to SgtofLuck though (who I haven't played with in weeks), he is constantly playing 1v1 customs vs players like Rain, TT1, and Kiwikaki...if he was hacking don't you think one of these top players would pick up on it? I don't know, after what Lone tried doing to me I take everything he does/say's with a grain of salt.
Maybe this conversation is real, maybe Lone had this conversation with someone else on skype (possibly Deezer?) and just changed the name. All I know is once Lone's hacking was brought to light almost all of his "friends" abandoned him with the exception of Deezer. Kinda makes me curious.
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perseverance,tyson first off if you wanna start talking about the truth then you know ogsnada hacks....so everything ur your saying is based on a lie... you have played many( over a hundered)games this season with him knowing he hacks having him tell you everything down from when to drone and when to make units.... given that you hate me over beating u on ladder or sumthing dumb like that and the fact that your willing to make stories and say i went on your acocunt and you come to this thread just to counter when i post sumthing about a hacker then thats not what this thread is for this thread is for accusing hackers not defending them... so stopmaking lies over a thread to try n spite me anyway you can your prob the lowest scum of any person ive met online... i dont see the point of arguing with you over a thread cause your just lying protecting your hacker friend but the truth will come out soon so your cover wont last long -i hope your team gets removed from tour for having a hacker on it
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On September 01 2011 13:35 Italianstallion wrote: hey im Lone, i would like to say that i did not log on to Perseverance's account..either it was someone ealse or he planned all of this... short story i removed him about 3 weeks ago over a dispuit about me not thinking he is a good player ( for sum reason he thinks hes amazing) not that i think im good myself neways this causeed him to get very upset and he began to shyt talk me... i honestly think hes just trying to come up with evidence that i hack or sumthing.. i have proof that he has used hacks in the past ..3 replays of him hacking on his akas to be exact... any moderator can msg me and i will email them a replay...also i dont see the logic in what hes saying we have been non mutual for almost a month he accuses me of hacks and implys that i have his login info.... sounds really suspect to me..didnt think id ever say this but i agree with protech hacker 100%
So first you say you have proof of me being a hacker.
On September 07 2011 05:33 Italianstallion wrote: i realize that the point of this thread is to expose hackers i might not have proof..i dont think its even warranted... this player was 50% masters now 88% top GM... i know for a fact thatt oGsNada is 100% hacking and his akas are pandemic,SubCooled( SGTofLuck,accused of hacks season 2) wrongfully unaccused because he sent a letter in to an admin of the hacking forum for some reason it worked and he was wipped from the list, ...well almost all my team games are with him this season i was able to get an amazing record in team because hes a good player who also is also hacking and telling me on skype how to counter and what there going everygame im sure Power has replays where you can see obv hacks im going to msg him for possible upload...on another note i think since hes top 50 GM on 2 diff accounts i think this player needs to be exposed funny how sumone could be top 50 GM 87% like 250-40 ratio and not be "on a team or a progamer" he might say hes buisy with school and such but the truth is hes on all day everyday and doesnt join a team because he cant hack at real events and would further expose himself feel free to msg or PM me with any questions you might have thanks and i hope this helps the community!
Then you admit that you abused the fact that this person was hacking in ladder matches (Which is pretty much on the same level as hacking)
On September 07 2011 10:59 Italianstallion wrote: perseverance,tyson first off if you wanna start talking about the truth then you know ogsnada hacks....so everything ur your saying is based on a lie... you have played many( over a hundered)games this season with him knowing he hacks having him tell you everything down from when to drone and when to make units.... given that you hate me over beating u on ladder or sumthing dumb like that and the fact that your willing to make stories and say i went on your acocunt and you come to this thread just to counter when i post sumthing about a hacker then thats not what this thread is for this thread is for accusing hackers not defending them... so stopmaking lies over a thread to try n spite me anyway you can your prob the lowest scum of any person ive met online... i dont see the point of arguing with you over a thread cause your just lying protecting your hacker friend but the truth will come out soon so your cover wont last long -i hope your team gets removed from tour for having a hacker on it
THEN you say that he would tell me when to drone etc. based on what his hacks are telling him.
Why exactly would I need him to tell me when to drone etc. if I am also a hacker as you have stated earlier this week?
Basically, to sum it all up...
1. There are multiple replays of Lone hacking in this thread. 2. Lone contradicts himself by saying that I hack, but that I have to rely on someone else's hacks for information (lolwut?) 3. Lone Posts a skype conversation of him with someone admitting to buying a $60 "VCMH" hack 4. Lone openly admits to abusing someone else's hack in ladder matches and having him "tell him what units to make to counter the other team in skype"
Sorry you guys have to read this, I know it's quite a chore to read Lone's kindergarten level grammar.
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because when the mh whent private u supposedly stopped...but you hacked in the past so i assumed u still hack... and i never said u still are hacking or not im not 100% on u but i do know we both know nada hacks and that u hacked in the past and ur lieing right now so stop lieing and admit u know he hacks ur doing a tour 4v4 for 200dollars with him cheating u according to your own reasoning of if u play with a hacker your a hacker ur pathetic kid sad story= tyson i also only commented that it looked like you hacked in that replay which i still stand by*
also have him stream his games and lets see how solo record tanks??
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On September 07 2011 11:45 Italianstallion wrote: because when the mh whent private u supposedly stopped...but you hacked in the past so i assumed u still hack... and i never said u still are hacking or not im not 100% on u but i do know we both know nada hacks and that u hacked in the past and ur lieing right now so stop lieing and admit u know he hacks ur doing a tour 4v4 for 200dollars with him cheating u according to your own reasoning of if u play with a hacker your a hacker ur pathetic kid sad story= tyson i also only commented that it looked like you hacked in that replay which i still stand by*
1. Proof? Oh yea, not possible seeing as it's made up. 2.Nada hacks? Do you have proof of this? Oh yea, that's not possible either since it's also made up
I'm not sure if I am more impressed by your lack of grammar or the fact that you are still allowed to post on this site.
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On September 07 2011 11:45 Italianstallion wrote:
also have him stream his games and lets see how solo record tanks??
Ask him to, like I said I haven't played or talked with him in a couple weeks, all he does is practice solo and I am usually practicing 2v2 on EU.
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On September 07 2011 10:59 Italianstallion wrote: perseverance,tyson first off if you wanna start talking about the truth then you know ogsnada hacks....so everything ur your saying is based on a lie... you have played many( over a hundered)games this season with him knowing he hacks having him tell you everything down from when to drone and when to make units.... given that you hate me over beating u on ladder or sumthing dumb like that and the fact that your willing to make stories and say i went on your acocunt and you come to this thread just to counter when i post sumthing about a hacker then thats not what this thread is for this thread is for accusing hackers not defending them... so stopmaking lies over a thread to try n spite me anyway you can your prob the lowest scum of any person ive met online... i dont see the point of arguing with you over a thread cause your just lying protecting your hacker friend but the truth will come out soon so your cover wont last long -i hope your team gets removed from tour for having a hacker on it
ahhh...
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have you mailed blizzard perserverance?...
want to see what they have to say on this whole "someone" hacked my account to hack.
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when are u gonna ban perseverance for defending hackers this thread is about trying to shed light on hackers not defending hackers...first off if what i was saying was about eric and not you was a lie you would just ignore what i wrote and not pay any attention and be like what a loser but instead you try to hide the truth...also if what u where saying is true and im the hacker" im pretty sure if we where "good friend" you would know if i was hacking or not and we gamed for over a year so u need to stop denying that ogs nada isnt hacking and that youre just as guilty for knowingly playing with hackers according to ur own rationale ... funny how everytime i write a comment on this forum you try to find a way to bash it clearly u have sumthing against me and im sure its not "hacking" cause people who play that long together dont rage at sumone for that they would just partways liek normal people...everything u say is just pure nonesense.. i guess i shyttalked the wrong nerd because me telling u your trash has moved into like a mini war on this forum.everytiome i write something you have a need to counter me all your posts on this forum are you raging or saying everything i say is a lie and is directed at me clearly you hate me and that cant be from me "hacking i think ur just upset that i stopped playing with you and what i thought about your lack of skill realize ur bad and that ur a hacker..
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As much as lone doesn't make sense here. I think hackers should be banned if they're caught hacking on their account, regardless of who's on it, or what kind of friend or enemy is on it.
This drama fest is annoying so I'm going to stay clear of it now.
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On September 07 2011 15:10 Itallion wrote: As much as lone doesn't make sense here. I think hackers should be banned if they're caught hacking on their account, regardless of who's on it, or what kind of friend or enemy is on it.
This drama fest is annoying so I'm going to stay clear of it now.
Kind of what we're doing until we are able to sit down and sort things out on our end - everyone else, feel free to submit as usual, and we'll put in a long catch-up session in sometime soon.
Everyone else on the drama parade / witch hunt, I'd advise you talk to each other via PM.
Sorry for delays on our end, and sorry for folks having to put up with this nonsense.
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Server: SEA Your Name: Fridge Hacker Name: nagnobnard replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?hi921zkpo7zvwnz Description: Drop Hacking
I pwned his first push, then a couple of seconds after, I begin to lag, the waiting for server message pops up, then it goes to the player lag screen showing me as the lagger and in the chat is "GG" being spammed over and over and over again.
It appears though as if it failed as at the last minute I reconnected, at which point a BM (naturally) and just push straight to his base to get it over and done with (just incase he tried again).
At which point I lost.
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On September 07 2011 10:35 Perseverance wrote:
When it comes to SgtofLuck though (who I haven't played with in weeks), he is constantly playing 1v1 customs vs players like Rain, TT1, and Kiwikaki...if he was hacking don't you think one of these top players would pick up on it?
Of course they wouldnt why would they care.
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On September 08 2011 03:25 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 10:35 Perseverance wrote:
When it comes to SgtofLuck though (who I haven't played with in weeks), he is constantly playing 1v1 customs vs players like Rain, TT1, and Kiwikaki...if he was hacking don't you think one of these top players would pick up on it?
Of course they wouldnt why would they care.
Lol i hope that was sarcasm. >.<
And if your talking about the real Nada hacking, lol wtf!
This thread is pretty hillarious to read, IMO looks like a bunch of children throwing insults at eachother while doing the exact same as eachother - hacking.
Could be wrong though. But not about the children bit.
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hacker name: SGTofLuck , Pandemic, oGsNada, SubCooled, Pandemic is already banned i believe he hasnt logged the account since last season,Nerbrain 0-9 masters cause he doesnt hack on this last account account
id like to apologize to the admins im not going to reply to other members posts anymore my only intention was for people to realize this player is hacking and possibly keep a close eye on him as the truth always finds a way out just to make an edit his non hack account is now 16-19 what gm level player would go from 250-50 to this kind of record obviously hacks make a huge diff
****also if u check custom games on ogsnada go under custom games go down to about 3 weeks he won a few hundered games vs ai in under 1 second by using his MH also he did all campaign achievements in under 1 hr for whole campaign obvious cheater i think this is the proof u needed?
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On September 04 2011 20:30 UniversalMind wrote:Server: NA Your Name:Weend Hacker Name: Liberal Replay: Liberal Maphack http://www.mediafire.com/?1al1cmdbnm71fnzDescription: My friend played this team-game and complained and I examined the replay and believe the person to have map hacked. at the start he checks fog of war and sends units to a hidden rax which was to be used for scouting, later on in the game he sends units across the map to attack his teams units not seeing the units. he checks fog of war nearly all game in obscure places Stares at your bases regularly, then there's these: 3.20 looked at your overlord in the fow, rallied his first marine there, then sees the proxy rax and immediatly changes the rally to there 3.43 kills the overlord after looking at it through the fow again 6.24 looks at all the barracks in his opponents base 7.06 stares at the lings on your ramp
stopped watching then it was pretty obvious the guy was hacking
On September 04 2011 11:46 Stra-toss wrote:Server: NA Your Name: Stratos Hacker Name: LDU Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/12647Description: Guy who counter every single unit i made without scout. He had all his army in the middle of the map but when i made a drop he moved his group to his main without even see the drop and then he just wait till the dts starts to attack. edit: In some points of the game he sniped my units on the xel naga and the move to his base again, but the interesintg fact is when i moved an obs to the left xel naga and he moved his army to there with no detection, then he pulled back his group to his natural and then again to the xel naga with detection. I'm not even in the mod to write, is so f..... hard to win for me and there's a lot of f..... hackers in this game :/
This guy was not hacking.
you claim he counters your units, he makes thors and tanks after you had been building immortals. when you are making DT's, he makes a raven yes, but keeps it with his army, he makes no ebay and your DT's end up doing damage anyway.
He also makes ghosts long before you even start your Templar archives.
Yes, he did kill your units at the tower, but how is that proof of him hacking? Seems like a sensible move to check the towers once in a while.
He also only responded to the drop in your main after you attacked one of his buildings.
I think you owe this person an apology considering how rude you were during the game
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On September 09 2011 08:16 RyanShortster wrote:Server: EU Hacker Name: Novestream Replay: None - Enough to look at the Match History and its matches Description: Maphack, Desync Hack / Instant Win VS AI/ Trainer / Win Trader / Auto-lose Bot Profile: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1965929/1/Novestream/Maphack: Looked at my Base (which was still unrevealed and hidden under fog of war) several times, and was building turrets instantly without scouting when I decided to build banshees. He also clicked on some of my buildings without vision -> definitely maphack. Desync Hack: There are many matches which he had lost that ended up as a draw (results disagree) - definitely a desync hack. Trainer: He mainly uses hacks / trainers to instantly win vs. AI and to get many many achievements and wins within a single second. His matches (vs. AI) never last longer than 1 second and result as a victory. Win Trade - Auto Lose Bot: He's also a Win Trader. He never loses, wins, loses etc. but only win streaks followed by streaks of losses. On another note he loses many many many matches in a row in a very short time. It might be an Auto lose bot.
Edit: Updated with pics. Screenshots are german but with an english description for the words you don't know.
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Server: NA Hacker Name: oGsNaDa Replay: None - Enough to look at the Match History and its matches Description: Maphack, Desync Hack / Instant Win VS AI/ Profile: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1574314/1/oGsNaDa/ Also, if you check his campaign achievements all achievements were on the same day (probably within the same time of each other)
Considering he is grandmaster, its probably safe to assume that he maphacks on ladder too if he is dumb enough to cheat to get small achievements, he probably is dumb enough to cheat on ladder too.
It repeats for the rest of his custom games.
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Server: CN Your Name:hilypo Hacker Name: Scjo Replay: Description: I got wrecked by this master 1, and I went back to watch the replay. He was looking through the fog of war multiple times, doing exactly what he needed to do to counter me. I'm 100% sure this is a hack, and he might even hit GM if he keeps winning like this.
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On September 10 2011 02:16 PowerDes wrote:Server: NA Hacker Name: oGsNaDa Replay: None - Enough to look at the Match History and its matches Description: Maphack, Desync Hack / Instant Win VS AI/ Profile: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1574314/1/oGsNaDa/Also, if you check his campaign achievements all achievements were on the same day (probably within the same time of each other) Considering he is grandmaster, its probably safe to assume that he maphacks on ladder too if he is dumb enough to cheat to get small achievements, he probably is dumb enough to cheat on ladder too. It repeats for the rest of his custom games.
/inb4 his boy perseverance...
User was warned for this post
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Server: EU
Your Name: Healíngproof
Hacker Name: Zerg
Replay:
Description: I'm 6pooling 0:55 - He sends his probe to see my overlord comming in, but he doesn't see it! He thinks he saw it I'm guessing, because he STILL decides to scout close air. But if you look at the replay, he clearly did not see it. He went to check for an overlord on close air, saw nothing, still decides to scout close air?... 1:40 - Goes blind 12 forge on Shattered temple BEFORE he reaches my base to scout the 6pool!! 1:44 - stares at my scouting drone in the fog of war for a few seconds.
Then, he all ins and loses because he is just dogshit awful. He was 16 workers to my 8 workers, I only got his gate to red health when my lings died and STILL he manages to lose. His avarage APM thruout the game is about ~30-45 and I'm r37 Grand Master EU.
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On September 10 2011 09:48 Itallion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 02:16 PowerDes wrote:Server: NA Hacker Name: oGsNaDa Replay: None - Enough to look at the Match History and its matches Description: Maphack, Desync Hack / Instant Win VS AI/ Profile: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1574314/1/oGsNaDa/Also, if you check his campaign achievements all achievements were on the same day (probably within the same time of each other) Considering he is grandmaster, its probably safe to assume that he maphacks on ladder too if he is dumb enough to cheat to get small achievements, he probably is dumb enough to cheat on ladder too. It repeats for the rest of his custom games. /inb4 his boy perseverance...
Someone should ban you for trolling.
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I cant seem to download the deezer replay. What am i doing wrong?
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On September 10 2011 10:36 treekiller wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 09:48 Itallion wrote:On September 10 2011 02:16 PowerDes wrote:Server: NA Hacker Name: oGsNaDa Replay: None - Enough to look at the Match History and its matches Description: Maphack, Desync Hack / Instant Win VS AI/ Profile: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1574314/1/oGsNaDa/Also, if you check his campaign achievements all achievements were on the same day (probably within the same time of each other) Considering he is grandmaster, its probably safe to assume that he maphacks on ladder too if he is dumb enough to cheat to get small achievements, he probably is dumb enough to cheat on ladder too. It repeats for the rest of his custom games. /inb4 his boy perseverance... Someone should ban you for trolling.
are you a mod? didn't think so :O
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On September 10 2011 10:48 Itallion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 10:36 treekiller wrote:On September 10 2011 09:48 Itallion wrote:On September 10 2011 02:16 PowerDes wrote:Server: NA Hacker Name: oGsNaDa Replay: None - Enough to look at the Match History and its matches Description: Maphack, Desync Hack / Instant Win VS AI/ Profile: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1574314/1/oGsNaDa/Also, if you check his campaign achievements all achievements were on the same day (probably within the same time of each other) Considering he is grandmaster, its probably safe to assume that he maphacks on ladder too if he is dumb enough to cheat to get small achievements, he probably is dumb enough to cheat on ladder too. It repeats for the rest of his custom games. /inb4 his boy perseverance... Someone should ban you for trolling. are you a mod? didn't think so :O
What I dont understand is how this is an example of cheating. All Ive seen is him doing something to win against AI. Is that even against the rules? If so, can someone link to the specific rule that has been supposedly violated?
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On September 10 2011 12:45 treekiller wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 10:48 Itallion wrote:On September 10 2011 10:36 treekiller wrote:On September 10 2011 09:48 Itallion wrote:On September 10 2011 02:16 PowerDes wrote:Server: NA Hacker Name: oGsNaDa Replay: None - Enough to look at the Match History and its matches Description: Maphack, Desync Hack / Instant Win VS AI/ Profile: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1574314/1/oGsNaDa/Also, if you check his campaign achievements all achievements were on the same day (probably within the same time of each other) Considering he is grandmaster, its probably safe to assume that he maphacks on ladder too if he is dumb enough to cheat to get small achievements, he probably is dumb enough to cheat on ladder too. It repeats for the rest of his custom games. /inb4 his boy perseverance... Someone should ban you for trolling. are you a mod? didn't think so :O What I dont understand is how this is an example of cheating. All Ive seen is him doing something to win against AI. Is that even against the rules? If so, can someone link to the specific rule that has been supposedly violated?
are you serious? wow haha
winning against the AI in under 5 seconds? that's not cheating? if so why wouldn't everyone be doing it?
In fact why doesn't blizzard just add the feature in the next patch?
you must really be dense haha
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On August 29 2011 04:13 ProTech wrote:Server: NA Your Name: ProTech Hacker Name: Lone / RatZDeeZer Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/6T9PgcDescription: Map hacking and or production tab hacking. 6 Pool goes down, they haven't scouted the base. Deezer puts a pylon at the front of the choke to block the lings cancels the pylon for no apparent reason ( probably because it would look like cheating / hacking. ) Waits for the lings to get in vision and then drops the pylon again. Obvious hacking / cheating. You'll also notice that I stream 100% of my games, but because it was deezer we que'd against, I blacked my stream, and you hear Lone say in the game " Omfg black screen? Nerd " So that's proof that I blacked my stream before this game started knowing who we were playing. That being said this replay is 100% proof of them either 1) Lone hacking, or 2) Deezer hacking I can't be sure cause they might be using skype or something and lone might just be telling deezer what's coming. Either way, this replay is 100% solid proof that one of these players are hacking. There are too many "Coincidences" in this replay for it to just be luck. Not to mention some of the things in these replays aren't logically explainable. Coupled with the fact that there are already other replays of Lone/Deezer being potential hackers I think it's safe to say these guys are cheaters.
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Server: NA Your Name: Soloturtle Hacker Name: HuK Replay: http://drop.sc/33545 Description: Maphack
It's Tal Darim Altar and it's a PvP. He decides to proxy 2 gate me right at the beginning without knowing which position I am. The problem is about the position of where he proxied it. He sends his probe out first going into the middle of the map but at 0:14-0:15, he glances over at my base and moves his probe into the choke between the natural and third. He then proceeds to proxy 2 gate me
I end up winning but it is really suspicious as to the positioning of the proxy with sending a probe from the start and not scouting any positions.
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Server: NA
Your Name: GM / High master level protoss.
Hacker Name: Roscoe : http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/884547/Roscoe
Replay: Roscoe Zerg Maphacker http://topreplays.com/Replays/Download/8491
Description: This zerg clearly map hacks; if you watch his vision; he never scouts me; he somehow knows a 6gate is coming when he pans to my base (even though he has never scouted it) he always seems to know where my observer is coming from even if he dsnt have vision; he knows exactly when to drone / produce units even though he never controls the xel naga towers or even has vision of my army. he somehow knows i left a stalker at 5'0 clock position. its blatant hacking. High masters / GM level player and when i know something is suspicious im always right.
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Server: EU Your Name: SrRaven Hacker Name: SunTsu Replay: http://drop.sc/33655 Description: Play as Random, he never even once scouts but doesnt even bother to wall off and techs directly to counter protoss. Most obvious hack though ist at around 14:30 when I go for a random ninja Expo and he just sends marines there directly (across map, we were top and bottom).
Obvious hacking if you ask me.
Also, at 16:30 I got a Dark Shrine, he builds a turrent right a second after.
Few minutes later after he kills my pylon (cancelled the Nexus, and he didnt even check for it) he goes back to his base with marines,sees that my units are out of position and attacks with those marines only.
Super obvious.
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Server: NA Your Name: RainbowDash Hacker Name: callmebonjwa Replay: http://drop.sc/33867 Description: i feel that there is a good chance that he is a maphacker. some evidence that i found: 6:44 he moves out with his zeal and sentry right once i put down my spines, this i feel is not very solid evidence tho as he could have been just clearing out those lings. something too keep in mind though. 9:08 he randomly warps in a stalker around where my unscouted nydus is being made, right at 9;14 he even pulls 5 probes to kill it before its scouted. 12:45 he takes a very odd route to my natural when he is being aggressive and happens to stumble into my lings that where waiting to flank that he had not scouted. very lucky indeed. 19:05 snaps his view up into the FOW where my infestors are burrowed he then pulls his army back and preemptively pulls his probes off the mineral line that the infestors were heading to. (i feel that this is the most damning peace of evidence) 22:08 blinking weak stalkers back when he did not have view of their healthbars. he also was typing gg at the time i believe.
at the end of the game i PM'ed him and he claimed that he could see the nydus because of the pylon (he couldn't) and he saw the ripple of the burrowed infestors because his settings were on low (even though he started reacting to them before they were in his LOS).
D: people have no shame
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Server: NA Your Name: neacey Hacker Name: Clubglam replay: http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=download&id=231160 Description: Check this guys proxy hack swag out, he goes right for my base. masses 3 zealots and walks, right at my min patch, no scouting with probe once. This guy is top 8 masters.
Like wtf? This is blatant map hack.
I think he sadly bamboozles himself even though hes cheating, which makes it all the more pathetic.
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why is Lone posting all over this fourm accusing people of hacking when its very clear that he is hacking as well. Can't believe a hacker's story ever and why hasn't this guy been banned from both this fourm and battlenet. Ridiculous
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Server: NA Your Name: Archy Hacker Name: Liq http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2383809/1/Liq/ Replay: http://drop.sc/34367 Description: Map hacker?
This game just felt quite iffy while playing it so i re-watched the replay.
On a few occasions his hydras seemed to be moved to the various parts of the base just as my phoenix's are about to get there.
At 15:30 he moves his army to intercept mine ... without vision of my army or the rocks im breaking down
at 20:13 he appears to possibly look through the fog at my phoenix's that i sent out to scout expansions
21:41 ... possibly looking at my phoenix's?
21:58 ... possibly looking at my army? and at 22:00 ish moving to intercept
23:28 ... possibily looking at my retreating army?
24:56 ... possibly looking at my army again?
25:25 ... looking at phoenix's
25:38 sends 2 banelings to my 4th expansion without having any knowledge of it
hmm after looking through it im beginning to think its more then a co-incidence? but im not sure?
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On September 10 2011 09:48 Itallion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 02:16 PowerDes wrote:Server: NA Hacker Name: oGsNaDa Replay: None - Enough to look at the Match History and its matches Description: Maphack, Desync Hack / Instant Win VS AI/ Profile: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1574314/1/oGsNaDa/Also, if you check his campaign achievements all achievements were on the same day (probably within the same time of each other) Considering he is grandmaster, its probably safe to assume that he maphacks on ladder too if he is dumb enough to cheat to get small achievements, he probably is dumb enough to cheat on ladder too. It repeats for the rest of his custom games. /inb4 his boy perseverance...
after reading the forum I think its clear perseverance and oGsnada are both hacking his friend even tries to cover for him rofl?
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Ahhha! You guys already have clubglam. I'm glad to see that he has already been discovered and reported. I played him a few days ago and after the game got messaged by someone who told me to check the replay because he is a hacker. I checked the replay and sure enough, the hacking was blatant. Absolutely undoubtable display of hacking. I was going to post the rep but I guess it is unecessary since he is already confirmed here on TL.
Does anyone know if he will get banned by blizzard? I reported him but there was no way to send the replay and I haven't gotten a response from them. Seems like a few people have proof this guy is a hacker and I wonder if blizzard is going to do anything about it.
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On September 12 2011 17:35 n3ac3y wrote:Server: NA Your Name: neacey Hacker Name: Clubglam replay: http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=download&id=231160Description: Check this guys proxy hack swag out, he goes right for my base. masses 3 zealots and walks, right at my min patch, no scouting with probe once. This guy is top 8 masters. Like wtf? This is blatant map hack. I think he sadly bamboozles himself even though hes cheating, which makes it all the more pathetic.
Yeah same thing happened to me. This guy has no shame. Was #1 masters when I saw him. Makes me think there are actually hackers that have breached GM. Pathetic.
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So how do i view the RatzDeezer Replay.. It seems to go to a broken link and/or some weird advertising website.. -------------------------------------------- Hacker Name: Lone / RatZDeeZer Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/6T9Pgc Description: Possible Map hacking and or production tab hacking. --------------------------------------------
Can anyone Expound sorry if this is a stupid question
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Server: NA Your Name: South Hacker Name: Skynet / Liberal Replay: http://drop.sc/34480 Description: Production/Fog of War?
Built 12 static defense against cloaked banshees (spore crawlers, turrets) without EVER scouting by the 9 minute mark. You should be convinced at THIS point. Scanned non-cloaked banshees several times (could just be terrible, admittedly). Right after cloak starts an evo chamber goes down. Right after 2 starports go down an engi bay goes down. Seriously, look at the static defense by the 9 minute mark, including the Z expansion. They are so disgustingly far behind if any non flying units are coming and the timings are too obvious. 31 APM is able to know EXACT timing that 2 port cloaked banshees show up and stims absolutely perfectly in exactly the right spot...after randomly looking in fog of war for no reason whatsoever.
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On September 13 2011 12:44 South wrote:Server: NA Your Name: South Hacker Name: Skynet / Liberal Replay: http://drop.sc/34480Description: Production/Fog of War? Built 12 static defense against cloaked banshees (spore crawlers, turrets) without EVER scouting by the 9 minute mark. You should be convinced at THIS point. Scanned non-cloaked banshees several times (could just be terrible, admittedly). Right after cloak starts an evo chamber goes down. Right after 2 starports go down an engi bay goes down. Seriously, look at the static defense by the 9 minute mark, including the Z expansion. They are so disgustingly far behind if any non flying units are coming and the timings are too obvious. 31 APM is able to know EXACT timing that 2 port cloaked banshees show up and stims absolutely perfectly in exactly the right spot...after randomly looking in fog of war for no reason whatsoever.
bro I think you could be right on the 2nd sentence. He just is really that bad. Still a little bit suspicious but with 31 apm...
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removed, i forgot i was done posting on tl
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protech on a hacking site looks suspicious, on another note everyone sales accounts on these sites everyone willing to pay for these type of things goes to them
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removed, forgot i was done posting on tl.
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On September 13 2011 10:07 XRaDiiX wrote:So how do i view the RatzDeezer Replay.. It seems to go to a broken link and/or some weird advertising website.. -------------------------------------------- Hacker Name: Lone / RatZDeeZer Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/6T9PgcDescription: Possible Map hacking and or production tab hacking. -------------------------------------------- Can anyone Expound sorry if this is a stupid question reuploaded
http://drop.sc/34587
replayfu died =(
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Server: NA Your Name: January Hacker Name: ClubGlam http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3014242/1/ClubGlam/ Replay: http://drop.sc/34625 Clubglam Maphack Description: Ok the name is that of a known hacker however this is his "new" account i suppose (previous one locked?). Anyways he proxy 2 gates me on Shakuras without knowing which spawn location was mine. The two gates go down at MY natural, not the common valley between the two naturals like most proxy gates. At the start of the replay i notice that his "player camera" freezes for the entirety of the game, which i have never seen before. This account is different then the other ClubGlam that was reported already. The recorded account has been inactive for approximately one month and this account (see link above) has been active for approximately one month.
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Server: SEA Your Name: HDBuZZMD Hacker Name: kthree Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?qe2l2fehs94n14y Description: Map Hacker -No scouting whatsoever. @ 6:38 he's very hestitant to expand to his natural, and without scouting he expands further away from his base.
@8:20 He's getting a cannon near his mineral line, please note he has not scouted me whatsoever. Please look at the build I was going for.
@9:25 He starts building 2 Cannons (This is also the time when I begin to push out)
@11:51 He is looking at my tank/marines that are rallied in.
@13:06 He begins to send his army to my two tanks that begin sieging up.
@15:20 He quickly warps in two Stalkers to deal with my one scouting helion. Still he does not have vision of map.
@16:26 He's looking near the xel'naga tower Why? - He sees my army.
@18:58 He begins to make cannons at his 2nd hidden expo. If you view the whole map, you can see that my banshee is heading toward there.
@19:21 - He warps in 4 Stalkers.. with no scouting information that my banshee was heading towards there.
@20:36 He begins to destroy the rocks but then immediately pulls back his whole army as he can see that I am begining to push out.
@20:41 He quickly looks at my army.
@22:02 He quickly begins to chronoboost his warp gates to try and defend my push.
@24:29 Quickly looks at my army.. note during the whole game he has not scouted where I've spawned.
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On September 14 2011 07:33 Sajaki wrote:Server: NA Your Name: January Hacker Name: ClubGlam http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3014242/1/ClubGlam/Replay: http://drop.sc/34625 Clubglam Maphack Description: Ok the name is that of a known hacker however this is his "new" account i suppose (previous one locked?). Anyways he proxy 2 gates me on Shakuras without knowing which spawn location was mine. The two gates go down at MY natural, not the common valley between the two naturals like most proxy gates. At the start of the replay i notice that his "player camera" freezes for the entirety of the game, which i have never seen before. This account is different then the other ClubGlam that was reported already. The recorded account has been inactive for approximately one month and this account (see link above) has been active for approximately one month.
Yeah I definitely just posted about this guy. This is getting weird for sure.
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Server: EU Your Name: SsickeR Hacker Name: Yopix Replay: http://www.file-upload.net/download-3734315/Abyssische-H-hlen.SC2Replay.html Description: Obvious Auto-blink-bot usage and Production-tab/Maphacking
The maphack and auto-blink-stalker-bot user was cheating today in col.catz stream. Evrybody who saw catz playing against Yopix saw that Yopix was using a blink-stalker bot. Nevertheless, catz did beat him !
I also played against him and he was using a maphack and auto-blink bot ! Obviously hacking !
1. No scouting after pylon or gate -> later knows my position without having me scouted!
2. low average apm (~60-70) and nevertheless high masters
3. minute 5:15: knows that 4 gate is comming; adds himself delayed 4g and moves out to interrupt 4 gate !
4. minute 8:50: see's in production tab that dt shrine is comming, instantly adds robo and forge + cannon behind his mineral line (so strange in pvp) !
5. ~ minute 10:50 : doesn't send his observer to scout, instead he uses it to defend the incoming DTs
6. moves to me and contains me, without knowing that the enemy even spawned there !
7. minute 13:30: sees that I move out, he instantly moves back to his base !
8. MOST OBVIOUS NOW minute 14:30 - end: AUTO-BLINK-BOT (also used this against col.catz/ and nearly evry game blink -> check match history)
- apm 200-500 now (before he was at like 70apm) - auto blink stalkers back ( stalker below 60 hp) - is focus fireing+ blinking single stalkers at the same time ! impossible !
Definetly using a bot programm and a maphack ! No obvious cam-movement, probably cam-lock + production tap view !
best regards
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Hackers:top 2v2ers sorcery/cryptoplasm i doubt they be that high without hack look how badly/ obvious they are. Server:NA Note:sorcery already got caught once(lol...) replay link: http://www.mediafire.com/?l7z7gsyz1e7keyr
First of all, I'm not those type of person who accuses people for hacking but Sorcery himself already got caught hacking in season 1, and he told me he was clean, but its just too fucking obvious that i have to pull a protech's move on these guys i have uploaded the replay if you don't believe me please check it out urself i am 90% sure these kids hack..... There is no way no way in hell they would open the wall on the bottom against zr. Only becuz they knew we were double zerg becuz of hack, becuz if we were t/z or p/z stalker or marauder would just own that wall and they are supposedly "good" enough to know that.
check from their vision they had no idea we were double zerg...
Time marks of obvious moves u should look for: So lets see random wall on bottom against zr to start off.Any 2v2 player would know u dont start off by walling off ur bottom ramp against zr becuz 2/3 chances are they could get t/z or p/z and marauder or stalker would just kill the wall for free... so obvious.
7:30 mark/ he cancel double robo(right before it finished) and switched to blink as soon as he saw that i lay my spire down in production(no vision still of wtf me and my ally doing.)
10:00 mark/ i have my muta out ( the toss is outside of our base harassing, still no vision) and he have no idea wtf we were doing he pulls back as soon as my muta is heading is way with 1 cannon on the way and 4 stalker warped in ready to defend muta.
13:40 mark/ Soon as my expandsion at 12 o'clock finished he went tokilled it(no vision at all still.) he did it again at 17:10-17:30(no vision at all). always go when my hatch finishes.
Don't even say hes scouting the expandsion ... u dont send a 200/200 deathball to scout an expo right when the hatches finishes enough said its too obvious for anyone not to see these guys as hackers... i always figured why dont sorcery ally anyone else but the one guy he got caught hacking with. same ol shit just a different day. Lets get rid of some hackers guys?
here is the link : http://www.mediafire.com/?l7z7gsyz1e7keyr
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hard to tell. The terran played the eco part and transfered his money all the time, so, the wall-off seems legit; to protect the economy playstyle.
The muta thing was kinda weird. But the toss saw only mineral heavy units (spines, lings) and roaches from the other. Could have been gamesense combined with luck, that he chanceled his robos and prepared for mutas. They also never clicked in the fog of war of your base. So they had to reliance on the minimap only.. or production tab hack .. dunno. Imo hard to tell tt
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dude he went back at 10:00 without even knowing we got a lair and started cannon and wapred in stalkers in his mineral line all while mutas coming unseen to his base...
but ok if you need more proof take this one, i got another replay we played today... check out 8:40 in Sorcerys vision where he scrolls over terrans base to check scv and unit count trought fog of war! at 8:55 he wants to fly his Orbital to his expo, and instantly lands it in his main again we he see that opoonents move out http://www.mediafire.com/?k4wxlvutlw9uwkc
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Server :NA my name: Justalex hacker: Grandmaster battlenet link Replay: http://drop.sc/34871 Description: Maphacking
He blindly proxy gated on a 4 player map, which isn't a super strong evidence. However, he repeatedly looked at my base/unit locations through the fog of war and reacted to hidden buildings without scouting them. Hilariously, the game ended when i had an army approaching his ramp, with his camera staring at it through the fog of war, then he just quit.
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u dont get it we were ZR( 2/3 chances we could be tz or pz ). Any good 2v2 players out there know that if u wall like that as tp vs zr marauder/stalkers will kill ur shit for free
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even if they got lucky with the wall thing come on now how obvious could it be exact timing for everything.. 1. 7:30 cancel 2nd robo (1 sec before it finishes) to switch to blink to counter muta also warp in 4 stalker+1 cannon and then move back ur whole army while its harassing to defend against muta there is no way he coulda knew the EXACT timing...
and all those time where he kill my hatches right when it finishes WITHOUT EVER SEEING anything.... CMON. give me a better reason than luck oh yea its hack
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Hackers: Top 2v2NA Team sorcery/cryptoplasm Server:NA Sidenote: Sorcery was a known Hacker before replay links below
MyAcc: AiSieesch
We already posted about them before but if anyone still has any doubt i will show you all replays we played against them today an give you a lots of proof
Game1: http://www.mediafire.com/?xsrdyo8542llsy5 I did not find any suspicous Action, so i dont think they hacked here
Game2: http://www.mediafire.com/?2d3r6217vk23xi7 Suspicous is the how Sorcery checks at 7:10 the proxy starport through the fog of war as if he wanted to check when the banshe pops (might just be random action so its not a proof at all. if that would be the only suspicous situation i would not call them hackers)
But after they lost 2 games to us they used obviously hacks:
Game3: http://www.mediafire.com/?k4wxlvutlw9uwkc 8:40 (Sorcerys vision): he scrolls over terrans base to check scv and unit count trought fog of war! 8:55 Sorcery wants to fly his Orbital to his expo, and instantly lands it back in his main when we moved out - but he had no vision about that
Game4: http://www.mediafire.com/?2hbqbbvip9oy1jn 7:10 Cryptoplasm getting Overseer in his Base and Spores at both hatches while cloacked banshee is on the way to his base (check his vision he had no idea banshe is coming at all or about the cloack or even about the terrans gastimings) 11:20 (watch Sorcerys vision on slow speed) he panically scrolls to his units when he see mine comming on the minimap (wich he could not have seen without maphack) than he scrolls through the fog of war to check which units of mine are comming even in the right direction
Game5: http://www.mediafire.com/?c8dxt8e9m9cl3ie 5:10 (sorcerys vision) his scouting probe died so he checks tqorgetslamts main and the second queen (cause sorcery is going for air) 8:20 cryptoplasm is getting turrets up even for his ally ~ the time my spire is finishing which doenst make any sense from their point of view. cause the had aircontrol so far and quite some marines and phenix
Game6: http://www.mediafire.com/?4atp742ohyqp56z 7:30 cryptoplasm canceled double robo(right before it finished) and switched to twilight concil right after tqorgetslamts spire got started down in production (spire lair and gastimings werent scouted at all) 10:00 tqorgetslamts muta move out for a counterattack and cryptoplasm instantly pulls his units back from the front to his main, he starts a cannon in his mineralline and warps in stalkers in his mineral line (Note: he still has not seen any muta/spire/lair at all!!!) 13:40 right when tqorgetslamts expandsion at 12 o'clock finished he went their with all their forces to kill it (without knowing about it) 17:10-17:30 right when tqorgetslamts expandsion at 12 o'clock finished he went their with all their forces to kill it (without knowing about it) again! (he also did not see the lings before he went there!) Don't even say heis just going there to scout if there is an expandsion ... u dont use 200/200 deathball to scout, espeacially not twice at the exact moment the hatchery gets finished
Game7: http://www.mediafire.com/?zhd6fg9akfluczu I did not find any suspicous Action, so i dont think they hacked here, or they just were very carefully after we told them we found out about they are hacking
When you watched all the replays and the recommended situations you will know these guys are hacking and not had just one or two lucky timing or something like that. Sorcery also was known as a hacker before, so add all these facts together and you will see it yourself
In Game7 they also called us hacking cause they obviously can not handle the situation they lost 5 out of 7 games while using hacks against guys who dont.
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I don't play a ton of 2s but from what I have seen don't every single TP team wall off in the middle? Also everyone of their arguments for hacking dont seem to be connected with hacking. As far as the first game tQ posted. Other than the robo timing cancel nothing seemed too out of the ordinary. With 2 zerg its pretty much expected that 1 will always go muta and killing the top expansion seemed to just be in defense for sorcery's 4th base making sure they didn't have vision with the watch tower.
There is some suspicious stuff however finding 1 thing throughout an entire game doesn't in any way support an argument of hacking in my opinion. You are saying in almost half these games they arn't even hacking and the argument that they lost the first 2 games and then turned maphack on wouldn't make sense for why they would turn it off the last game?
curious to other people's opinions
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why would someone turn on hacks after 2 games? that doesn't make sense
if you're going to hack you would hack all games or no games. dumb argument
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u dont get it this sorcery guy usually never beats me without using hack(and turning on hack after a few game of losing could be the result) and please watch the replay 10x the times before u post a comment plz any person who have some sort of knowledge about the game would definately agree with me that these guys hack. u dont cancel a 2nd robo from 1 second away from being done without seeing anything, u dont warp in 4 stalkers into the back of ur base and move back ur whole army to defend against muta BEFORE seeing any sort of vision. u may get lucky 1 time, but these guys fucking made like 8 suspicious moves. im a 1v1 gm/no.1 global 2v2 rt player atm playing at the highest level of the game with great game sense u still need to scout every while and try to gain evey information u could possibly get from ur opponents to try to counter wat they're doing and from wat i have seen from these guys, they didn't ever done anything to get information from us And that in such a high level game u're never suppose to guess wat ur oppnent is doing "oh hes going dt lets get some turrets" 2 mins later ill show up with 20 stalkers ok? ... What my point here is that you dont blindly counter your opponents 10x the times with luck. and u dont send out 50 stalkers 5 collosus to kill a hatch before even send anything out to scout if the base is even there, that just popped up WITHOUT EVER SCOUTING IT just make it more ridiculous U dont pull back 20 stalkers to defend mutas when ur shit is right outside of the zerg door and could have done damaged...... geeez watch the replay before u start commenting. watch the how they move their units without any real. Ima say it once again watch the replay over and over before u post any real comment for these guys... watch it from their point of view.... see wat they did then turn on everyone's view jesus its fucking obvious even a caveman could tell
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On September 15 2011 11:30 2v2Alienrage wrote:Hackers: Top 2v2NA Team sorcery/cryptoplasm Server:NA Sidenote: Sorcery was a known Hacker before replay links below MyAcc: AiSieesch We already posted about them before but if anyone still has any doubt i will show you all replays we played against them today an give you a lots of proof Game1: http://www.mediafire.com/?xsrdyo8542llsy5I did not find any suspicous Action, so i dont think they hacked here Game2: http://www.mediafire.com/?2d3r6217vk23xi7Suspicous is the how Sorcery checks at 7:10 the proxy starport through the fog of war as if he wanted to check when the banshe pops (might just be random action so its not a proof at all. if that would be the only suspicous situation i would not call them hackers) But after they lost 2 games to us they used obviously hacks: Game3: http://www.mediafire.com/?k4wxlvutlw9uwkc8:40 (Sorcerys vision): he scrolls over terrans base to check scv and unit count trought fog of war! 8:55 Sorcery wants to fly his Orbital to his expo, and instantly lands it back in his main when we moved out - but he had no vision about that Game4: http://www.mediafire.com/?2hbqbbvip9oy1jn7:10 Cryptoplasm getting Overseer in his Base and Spores at both hatches while cloacked banshee is on the way to his base (check his vision he had no idea banshe is coming at all or about the cloack or even about the terrans gastimings) 11:20 (watch Sorcerys vision on slow speed) he panically scrolls to his units when he see mine comming on the minimap (wich he could not have seen without maphack) than he scrolls through the fog of war to check which units of mine are comming even in the right direction (strong proof of maphack) Game5: http://www.mediafire.com/?c8dxt8e9m9cl3ie5:10 (sorcerys vision) his scouting probe died so he checks tqorgetslamts main and the second queen (cause sorcery is going for air) 8:20 cryptoplasm is getting turrets up even for his ally ~ the time my spire is finishing which doenst make any sense from their point of view. cause the had aircontrol so far and quite some marines and phenix Game6: http://www.mediafire.com/?4atp742ohyqp56z7:30 cryptoplasm canceled double robo(right before it finished) and switched to twilight concil right after tqorgetslamts spire got started down in production (spire lair and gastimings werent scouted at all) 10:00 tqorgetslamts muta move out for a counterattack and cryptoplasm instantly pulls his units back from the front to his main, he starts a cannon in his mineralline and warps in stalkers in his mineral line (Note: he still has not seen any muta/spire/lair at all!!!) 13:40 right when tqorgetslamts expandsion at 12 o'clock finished he went their with all their forces to kill it (without knowing about it) 17:10-17:30 right when tqorgetslamts expandsion at 12 o'clock finished he went their with all their forces to kill it (without knowing about it) again! (he also did not see the lings before he went there!) Don't even say heis just going there to scout if there is an expandsion ... u dont use 200/200 deathball to scout, espeacially not twice at the exact moment the hatchery gets finished Game7: http://www.mediafire.com/?zhd6fg9akfluczuI did not find any suspicous Action, so i dont think they hacked here, or they just were very carefully after we told them we found out about they are hacking When you watched all the replays and the recommended situations you will know these guys are hacking and not had just one or two lucky timing or something like that. Sorcery also was known as a hacker before, so add all these facts together and you will see it yourself In Game7 they also called us hacking cause they obviously can not handle the situation they lost 5 out of 7 games while using hacks against guys who dont.
Just watched all the reps, some points eh i don't agree with 100% but for the most part all of these times are pretty damn obvious, especially the game where he cancels the double robo and goes into blink stalker RIGHT as the spire goes down.
Either way, I've always told you people that he hacks, and it's the exact reason I never play games against him. But these replays should be even further proof that sorcery is def using hacks on his main account, which he said he never did. If you do watch these replays make sure you watch them exactly how you're supposed to, and you'll see that they are in fact cheating.
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On September 15 2011 07:42 tQorgetslamt wrote: even if they got lucky with the wall thing come on now how obvious could it be exact timing for everything.. 1. 7:30 cancel 2nd robo (1 sec before it finishes) to switch to blink to counter muta also warp in 4 stalker+1 cannon and then move back ur whole army while its harassing to defend against muta there is no way he coulda knew the EXACT timing...
and all those time where he kill my hatches right when it finishes WITHOUT EVER SEEING anything.... CMON. give me a better reason than luck oh yea its hack
100% obvious
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I played Sorcery and Cryptoplasm around the same time today.
http://drop.sc/34928
They "scouted" us first but that's all I see
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On September 15 2011 13:10 tQorgetslamt wrote: u dont get it this sorcery guy usually never beats me without using hack(and turning on hack after a few game of losing could be the result) and please watch the replay 10x the times before u post a comment plz any person who have some sort of knowledge about the game would definately agree with me that these guys hack. u dont cancel a 2nd robo from 1 second away from being done without seeing anything, u dont warp in 4 stalkers in the back of ur base BEFORE seeing any sort of vision u may get lucky 1 time, but these guys fucking made like 8 suspicious moves. im a 1v1 gm/no.1 global 2v2 rt player atm playing at the highest level of the game u need to scout every second and gain evey information u could possibly get from ur opponents to try to counter wat they're doing and from wat i have seen from these guys, they didn't ever done anything to get information from us And that in such a high level game u're never suppose to guess wat ur oppnent is doing "oh hes going dt lets get some turrets" 2 mins later ill show up with 20 stalkers ok? ... What my point here is that you dont blindly counter your opponents 10x the times with luck. and u dont send out 50 stalkers 5 collosus to kill a hatch that just pop WITHOUT EVER SCOUTING IT... geeez watch the replay before u start commenting
my point exactly, and it's the point i ALWAYS make on my stream
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On September 15 2011 13:10 tQorgetslamt wrote: u dont get it this sorcery guy usually never beats me without using hack(and turning on hack after a few game of losing could be the result) and please watch the replay 10x the times before u post a comment plz any person who have some sort of knowledge about the game would definately agree with me that these guys hack. u dont cancel a 2nd robo from 1 second away from being done without seeing anything, u dont warp in 4 stalkers in the back of ur base BEFORE seeing any sort of vision u may get lucky 1 time, but these guys fucking made like 8 suspicious moves. im a 1v1 gm/no.1 global 2v2 rt player atm playing at the highest level of the game u need to scout every second and gain evey information u could possibly get from ur opponents to try to counter wat they're doing and from wat i have seen from these guys, they didn't ever done anything to get information from us And that in such a high level game u're never suppose to guess wat ur oppnent is doing "oh hes going dt lets get some turrets" 2 mins later ill show up with 20 stalkers ok? ... What my point here is that you dont blindly counter your opponents 10x the times with luck. and u dont send out 50 stalkers 5 collosus to kill a hatch that just pop WITHOUT EVER SCOUTING IT... geeez watch the replay before u start commenting
if someone knew that it was just a hatchery wouldnt you send a few stalkers to kill it? i didn't seem like he knew the expo was there any more than trying to defend that top expansion and maybe thinking that you guys saw it and were going to bring a large army there to take it out?
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On September 15 2011 13:28 AxionTurn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2011 13:10 tQorgetslamt wrote: u dont get it this sorcery guy usually never beats me without using hack(and turning on hack after a few game of losing could be the result) and please watch the replay 10x the times before u post a comment plz any person who have some sort of knowledge about the game would definately agree with me that these guys hack. u dont cancel a 2nd robo from 1 second away from being done without seeing anything, u dont warp in 4 stalkers in the back of ur base BEFORE seeing any sort of vision u may get lucky 1 time, but these guys fucking made like 8 suspicious moves. im a 1v1 gm/no.1 global 2v2 rt player atm playing at the highest level of the game u need to scout every second and gain evey information u could possibly get from ur opponents to try to counter wat they're doing and from wat i have seen from these guys, they didn't ever done anything to get information from us And that in such a high level game u're never suppose to guess wat ur oppnent is doing "oh hes going dt lets get some turrets" 2 mins later ill show up with 20 stalkers ok? ... What my point here is that you dont blindly counter your opponents 10x the times with luck. and u dont send out 50 stalkers 5 collosus to kill a hatch that just pop WITHOUT EVER SCOUTING IT... geeez watch the replay before u start commenting if someone knew that it was just a hatchery wouldnt you send a few stalkers to kill it? i didn't seem like he knew the expo was there any more than trying to defend that top expansion and maybe thinking that you guys saw it and were going to bring a large army there to take it out? A new account made today with 2 posts ONLY defending a proven hacker. Mod should iplog you. Really obvious hacker if you make an account just to defend yourself.
Also- Anyone playing SGTofluck be careful and try to upload the replay. He is ogsnada friend using the same hack, I played him on ladder today I think he gets a mental high off pretending he doesn't hack lol.
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dude the game he cancel the 2nd robo was just so so fucking obvious... any top player would know if u wall off like that how they did against ZR(note we were zerg/random) 2/3 chances we could be t/z or p/z stalker or marauder would just break that shit like a free win.... ok if thats not so obvious enough 7:30 mark i lay down spire 2nd robo 1 second from being done the guy cancel his robo and put down a citadel gearing up to defend muta.... 10:00 mark he pull back everything to defend my muta check their vision once again never seen any sign of muta.... sick fucking timing?.... not enough? everytime my hatch finish here he come with 50 stalker and collosus?.... jesus christ i would understand if u send 1 stalker there to see if there is anybase then kill it this guy had no fucking idea , "but ok ima send all my shit to take it down " i rebuild my hatch there again 2 mins SOON AS IT FINISHED AGAIN.. hes there with the deathball again never fucking scout never seen any sort of vision get this kid banned plz
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the point is when u scout a base u dont send ur WHOLE ARMY there ,u may send a worker, marine/ling/zealot but not the whole deathball.and no he did not have the top base the first he killed my hatch or any sort of vision and wassup with the 2nd robo canceling 1 second away from it being done then rebuild it later if he never seen or have any sort of intel about muta incoming jesus its obvious.... i play at the highest level ppl sometime still die to suprise muta becuz its a timing that could come whenever.... these guys defend shits a bit too perfect bra
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On September 15 2011 13:32 tQorgetslamt wrote: the point is when u scout a base u dont send ur WHOLE ARMY there ,u may send a worker, marine/ling/zealot but not the whole deathball.and no he did not have the top base the first he killed my hatch or any sort of vision and wassup with the 2nd robo canceling 1 second away from it being done then rebuild it later if he never seen or have any sort of intel about muta incoming jesus its obvious.... i play at the highest level ppl sometime still die to suprise muta becuz its a timing that could come whenever.... these guys defend shits a bit too perfect bra
I think this thread died, no moderator is going to ban the hackers or storytellers and nobody is reviewing replays. It is best to personally email blizzard support your proof I think at this point.
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On September 15 2011 11:30 2v2Alienrage wrote: + Show Spoiler +On September 15 2011 11:30 2v2Alienrage wrote:Hackers: Top 2v2NA Team sorcery/cryptoplasm Server:NA Sidenote: Sorcery was a known Hacker before replay links below MyAcc: AiSieesch We already posted about them before but if anyone still has any doubt i will show you all replays we played against them today an give you a lots of proof Game1: http://www.mediafire.com/?xsrdyo8542llsy5I did not find any suspicous Action, so i dont think they hacked here Game2: http://www.mediafire.com/?2d3r6217vk23xi7Suspicous is the how Sorcery checks at 7:10 the proxy starport through the fog of war as if he wanted to check when the banshe pops (might just be random action so its not a proof at all. if that would be the only suspicous situation i would not call them hackers) But after they lost 2 games to us they used obviously hacks: Game3: http://www.mediafire.com/?k4wxlvutlw9uwkc8:40 (Sorcerys vision): he scrolls over terrans base to check scv and unit count trought fog of war! 8:55 Sorcery wants to fly his Orbital to his expo, and instantly lands it back in his main when we moved out - but he had no vision about that Game4: http://www.mediafire.com/?2hbqbbvip9oy1jn7:10 Cryptoplasm getting Overseer in his Base and Spores at both hatches while cloacked banshee is on the way to his base (check his vision he had no idea banshe is coming at all or about the cloack or even about the terrans gastimings) 11:20 (watch Sorcerys vision on slow speed) he panically scrolls to his units when he see mine comming on the minimap (wich he could not have seen without maphack) than he scrolls through the fog of war to check which units of mine are comming even in the right direction Game5: http://www.mediafire.com/?c8dxt8e9m9cl3ie5:10 (sorcerys vision) his scouting probe died so he checks tqorgetslamts main and the second queen (cause sorcery is going for air) 8:20 cryptoplasm is getting turrets up even for his ally ~ the time my spire is finishing which doenst make any sense from their point of view. cause the had aircontrol so far and quite some marines and phenix Game6: http://www.mediafire.com/?4atp742ohyqp56z7:30 cryptoplasm canceled double robo(right before it finished) and switched to twilight concil right after tqorgetslamts spire got started down in production (spire lair and gastimings werent scouted at all) 10:00 tqorgetslamts muta move out for a counterattack and cryptoplasm instantly pulls his units back from the front to his main, he starts a cannon in his mineralline and warps in stalkers in his mineral line (Note: he still has not seen any muta/spire/lair at all!!!) 13:40 right when tqorgetslamts expandsion at 12 o'clock finished he went their with all their forces to kill it (without knowing about it) 17:10-17:30 right when tqorgetslamts expandsion at 12 o'clock finished he went their with all their forces to kill it (without knowing about it) again! (he also did not see the lings before he went there!) Don't even say heis just going there to scout if there is an expandsion ... u dont use 200/200 deathball to scout, espeacially not twice at the exact moment the hatchery gets finished Game7: http://www.mediafire.com/?zhd6fg9akfluczuI did not find any suspicous Action, so i dont think they hacked here, or they just were very carefully after we told them we found out about they are hacking When you watched all the replays and the recommended situations you will know these guys are hacking and not had just one or two lucky timing or something like that. Sorcery also was known as a hacker before, so add all these facts together and you will see it yourself In Game7 they also called us hacking cause they obviously can not handle the situation they lost 5 out of 7 games while using hacks against guys who dont.
Game six is probably 99% sure they were hacking.... or map hacking etc..
Ok i watched both their camera vision and they didn't really peak where the spire was when it was going down so that part i can't really say anything about.
But when the stalker push came i noticed that with their vision the stalkers never even saw the mutas heading toward his base for that matter and pulled them all back at exactly the moment the mutas were heading for his base.
Coincidentally enough he had 4 stalkers warped in and a cannon built whilst they were flying over.
I'd say these guys r Def Hackers. Cheaters etc. Protech is right.
All while he didn't even see the Mutas flying over. hmmm...
When he cancelled the 1 Robo bay though a second before it finished i didn't see any suspicious camera movement looking at your guys bases though.
But the #6 Replay stinks alot of Hackers
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On September 15 2011 13:40 XRaDiiX wrote:On September 15 2011 11:30 2v2Alienrage wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 15 2011 11:30 2v2Alienrage wrote:Hackers: Top 2v2NA Team sorcery/cryptoplasm Server:NA Sidenote: Sorcery was a known Hacker before replay links below MyAcc: AiSieesch We already posted about them before but if anyone still has any doubt i will show you all replays we played against them today an give you a lots of proof Game1: http://www.mediafire.com/?xsrdyo8542llsy5I did not find any suspicous Action, so i dont think they hacked here Game2: http://www.mediafire.com/?2d3r6217vk23xi7Suspicous is the how Sorcery checks at 7:10 the proxy starport through the fog of war as if he wanted to check when the banshe pops (might just be random action so its not a proof at all. if that would be the only suspicous situation i would not call them hackers) But after they lost 2 games to us they used obviously hacks: Game3: http://www.mediafire.com/?k4wxlvutlw9uwkc8:40 (Sorcerys vision): he scrolls over terrans base to check scv and unit count trought fog of war! 8:55 Sorcery wants to fly his Orbital to his expo, and instantly lands it back in his main when we moved out - but he had no vision about that Game4: http://www.mediafire.com/?2hbqbbvip9oy1jn7:10 Cryptoplasm getting Overseer in his Base and Spores at both hatches while cloacked banshee is on the way to his base (check his vision he had no idea banshe is coming at all or about the cloack or even about the terrans gastimings) 11:20 (watch Sorcerys vision on slow speed) he panically scrolls to his units when he see mine comming on the minimap (wich he could not have seen without maphack) than he scrolls through the fog of war to check which units of mine are comming even in the right direction Game5: http://www.mediafire.com/?c8dxt8e9m9cl3ie5:10 (sorcerys vision) his scouting probe died so he checks tqorgetslamts main and the second queen (cause sorcery is going for air) 8:20 cryptoplasm is getting turrets up even for his ally ~ the time my spire is finishing which doenst make any sense from their point of view. cause the had aircontrol so far and quite some marines and phenix Game6: http://www.mediafire.com/?4atp742ohyqp56z7:30 cryptoplasm canceled double robo(right before it finished) and switched to twilight concil right after tqorgetslamts spire got started down in production (spire lair and gastimings werent scouted at all) 10:00 tqorgetslamts muta move out for a counterattack and cryptoplasm instantly pulls his units back from the front to his main, he starts a cannon in his mineralline and warps in stalkers in his mineral line (Note: he still has not seen any muta/spire/lair at all!!!) 13:40 right when tqorgetslamts expandsion at 12 o'clock finished he went their with all their forces to kill it (without knowing about it) 17:10-17:30 right when tqorgetslamts expandsion at 12 o'clock finished he went their with all their forces to kill it (without knowing about it) again! (he also did not see the lings before he went there!) Don't even say heis just going there to scout if there is an expandsion ... u dont use 200/200 deathball to scout, espeacially not twice at the exact moment the hatchery gets finished Game7: http://www.mediafire.com/?zhd6fg9akfluczuI did not find any suspicous Action, so i dont think they hacked here, or they just were very carefully after we told them we found out about they are hacking When you watched all the replays and the recommended situations you will know these guys are hacking and not had just one or two lucky timing or something like that. Sorcery also was known as a hacker before, so add all these facts together and you will see it yourself In Game7 they also called us hacking cause they obviously can not handle the situation they lost 5 out of 7 games while using hacks against guys who dont. Game six is probably 99% sure they were hacking.... or map hacking etc.. Ok i watched both their camera vision and they didn't really peak where the spire was when it was going down so that part i can't really say anything about. But when the stalker push came i noticed that with their vision the stalkers never even saw the mutas heading toward his base for that matter and pulled them all back at exactly the moment the mutas were heading for his base. Coincidentally enough he had 4 stalkers warped in and a cannon built whilst they were flying over. I'd say these guys r Def Hackers. Cheaters etc. Protech is right. All while he didn't even see the Mutas flying over. hmmm... When he cancelled the 1 Robo bay though a second before it finished i didn't see any suspicious camera movement looking at your guys bases though. But the #6 Replay stinks alot of Hackers
Bro, did you see the production tab? The spire goes down 1 second before the robo finishes, and as soon as the spire goes down he cancels the robo and makes a citadel, how much more obvious do you need? Come on man
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On September 15 2011 13:40 XRaDiiX wrote:On September 15 2011 11:30 2v2Alienrage wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 15 2011 11:30 2v2Alienrage wrote:Hackers: Top 2v2NA Team sorcery/cryptoplasm Server:NA Sidenote: Sorcery was a known Hacker before replay links below MyAcc: AiSieesch We already posted about them before but if anyone still has any doubt i will show you all replays we played against them today an give you a lots of proof Game1: http://www.mediafire.com/?xsrdyo8542llsy5I did not find any suspicous Action, so i dont think they hacked here Game2: http://www.mediafire.com/?2d3r6217vk23xi7Suspicous is the how Sorcery checks at 7:10 the proxy starport through the fog of war as if he wanted to check when the banshe pops (might just be random action so its not a proof at all. if that would be the only suspicous situation i would not call them hackers) But after they lost 2 games to us they used obviously hacks: Game3: http://www.mediafire.com/?k4wxlvutlw9uwkc8:40 (Sorcerys vision): he scrolls over terrans base to check scv and unit count trought fog of war! 8:55 Sorcery wants to fly his Orbital to his expo, and instantly lands it back in his main when we moved out - but he had no vision about that Game4: http://www.mediafire.com/?2hbqbbvip9oy1jn7:10 Cryptoplasm getting Overseer in his Base and Spores at both hatches while cloacked banshee is on the way to his base (check his vision he had no idea banshe is coming at all or about the cloack or even about the terrans gastimings) 11:20 (watch Sorcerys vision on slow speed) he panically scrolls to his units when he see mine comming on the minimap (wich he could not have seen without maphack) than he scrolls through the fog of war to check which units of mine are comming even in the right direction Game5: http://www.mediafire.com/?c8dxt8e9m9cl3ie5:10 (sorcerys vision) his scouting probe died so he checks tqorgetslamts main and the second queen (cause sorcery is going for air) 8:20 cryptoplasm is getting turrets up even for his ally ~ the time my spire is finishing which doenst make any sense from their point of view. cause the had aircontrol so far and quite some marines and phenix Game6: http://www.mediafire.com/?4atp742ohyqp56z7:30 cryptoplasm canceled double robo(right before it finished) and switched to twilight concil right after tqorgetslamts spire got started down in production (spire lair and gastimings werent scouted at all) 10:00 tqorgetslamts muta move out for a counterattack and cryptoplasm instantly pulls his units back from the front to his main, he starts a cannon in his mineralline and warps in stalkers in his mineral line (Note: he still has not seen any muta/spire/lair at all!!!) 13:40 right when tqorgetslamts expandsion at 12 o'clock finished he went their with all their forces to kill it (without knowing about it) 17:10-17:30 right when tqorgetslamts expandsion at 12 o'clock finished he went their with all their forces to kill it (without knowing about it) again! (he also did not see the lings before he went there!) Don't even say heis just going there to scout if there is an expandsion ... u dont use 200/200 deathball to scout, espeacially not twice at the exact moment the hatchery gets finished Game7: http://www.mediafire.com/?zhd6fg9akfluczuI did not find any suspicous Action, so i dont think they hacked here, or they just were very carefully after we told them we found out about they are hacking When you watched all the replays and the recommended situations you will know these guys are hacking and not had just one or two lucky timing or something like that. Sorcery also was known as a hacker before, so add all these facts together and you will see it yourself In Game7 they also called us hacking cause they obviously can not handle the situation they lost 5 out of 7 games while using hacks against guys who dont. Game six is probably 99% sure they were hacking.... or map hacking etc.. Ok i watched both their camera vision and they didn't really peak where the spire was when it was going down so that part i can't really say anything about. But when the stalker push came i noticed that with their vision the stalkers never even saw the mutas heading toward his base for that matter and pulled them all back at exactly the moment the mutas were heading for his base. Coincidentally enough he had 4 stalkers warped in and a cannon built whilst they were flying over. I'd say these guys r Def Hackers. Cheaters etc. Protech is right. All while he didn't even see the Mutas flying over. hmmm... When he cancelled the 1 Robo bay though a second before it finished i didn't see any suspicious camera movement looking at your guys bases though. But the #6 Replay stinks alot of Hackers
Theres a thing called a production hack ala production tab on replay. It doesnt need camera to move. Thats how he scouts spire/mutas w/o looking at map
anyways sorcery is an admitted hacker after protech called him out so i don't know why anyone is surprised he still hacks. Really?
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yes they are using productions tab hack as well so its easy to see spire there going down or banshe building in the other one and if you think game 6 is 99% than game 3 is 100%
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ProTech September 15 2011 13:44. Posts 156 PM Profile Quote # On September 15 2011 13:40 XRaDiiX wrote: On September 15 2011 11:30 2v2Alienrage wrote: + Show Spoiler +
Game six is probably 99% sure they were hacking.... or map hacking etc..
Ok i watched both their camera vision and they didn't really peak where the spire was when it was going down so that part i can't really say anything about.
But when the stalker push came i noticed that with their vision the stalkers never even saw the mutas heading toward his base for that matter and pulled them all back at exactly the moment the mutas were heading for his base.
Coincidentally enough he had 4 stalkers warped in and a cannon built whilst they were flying over.
I'd say these guys r Def Hackers. Cheaters etc. Protech is right.
All while he didn't even see the Mutas flying over. hmmm...
When he cancelled the 1 Robo bay though a second before it finished i didn't see any suspicious camera movement looking at your guys bases though.
But the #6 Replay stinks alot of Hackers
Bro, did you see the production tab? The spire goes down 1 second before the robo finishes, and as soon as the spire goes down he cancels the robo and makes a citadel, how much more obvious do you need? Come on man
Exactly......... come on man some of u have less intel than a caveman? wat else could possibly come out of these ppl next "he might cancel his 2nd robo accidently and start blink soon as spire goes down and then pull back his whole army put up cannon+warp in 6 stalker as muta flying over there at 10:00 mark". or maybee...... he fucking sees the whole fucking map without any fog of war covering it. and have a production showing wtf his opponents are making
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On September 15 2011 13:44 ProTech wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2011 13:40 XRaDiiX wrote:On September 15 2011 11:30 2v2Alienrage wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 15 2011 11:30 2v2Alienrage wrote:Hackers: Top 2v2NA Team sorcery/cryptoplasm Server:NA Sidenote: Sorcery was a known Hacker before replay links below MyAcc: AiSieesch We already posted about them before but if anyone still has any doubt i will show you all replays we played against them today an give you a lots of proof Game1: http://www.mediafire.com/?xsrdyo8542llsy5I did not find any suspicous Action, so i dont think they hacked here Game2: http://www.mediafire.com/?2d3r6217vk23xi7Suspicous is the how Sorcery checks at 7:10 the proxy starport through the fog of war as if he wanted to check when the banshe pops (might just be random action so its not a proof at all. if that would be the only suspicous situation i would not call them hackers) But after they lost 2 games to us they used obviously hacks: Game3: http://www.mediafire.com/?k4wxlvutlw9uwkc8:40 (Sorcerys vision): he scrolls over terrans base to check scv and unit count trought fog of war! 8:55 Sorcery wants to fly his Orbital to his expo, and instantly lands it back in his main when we moved out - but he had no vision about that Game4: http://www.mediafire.com/?2hbqbbvip9oy1jn7:10 Cryptoplasm getting Overseer in his Base and Spores at both hatches while cloacked banshee is on the way to his base (check his vision he had no idea banshe is coming at all or about the cloack or even about the terrans gastimings) 11:20 (watch Sorcerys vision on slow speed) he panically scrolls to his units when he see mine comming on the minimap (wich he could not have seen without maphack) than he scrolls through the fog of war to check which units of mine are comming even in the right direction Game5: http://www.mediafire.com/?c8dxt8e9m9cl3ie5:10 (sorcerys vision) his scouting probe died so he checks tqorgetslamts main and the second queen (cause sorcery is going for air) 8:20 cryptoplasm is getting turrets up even for his ally ~ the time my spire is finishing which doenst make any sense from their point of view. cause the had aircontrol so far and quite some marines and phenix Game6: http://www.mediafire.com/?4atp742ohyqp56z7:30 cryptoplasm canceled double robo(right before it finished) and switched to twilight concil right after tqorgetslamts spire got started down in production (spire lair and gastimings werent scouted at all) 10:00 tqorgetslamts muta move out for a counterattack and cryptoplasm instantly pulls his units back from the front to his main, he starts a cannon in his mineralline and warps in stalkers in his mineral line (Note: he still has not seen any muta/spire/lair at all!!!) 13:40 right when tqorgetslamts expandsion at 12 o'clock finished he went their with all their forces to kill it (without knowing about it) 17:10-17:30 right when tqorgetslamts expandsion at 12 o'clock finished he went their with all their forces to kill it (without knowing about it) again! (he also did not see the lings before he went there!) Don't even say heis just going there to scout if there is an expandsion ... u dont use 200/200 deathball to scout, espeacially not twice at the exact moment the hatchery gets finished Game7: http://www.mediafire.com/?zhd6fg9akfluczuI did not find any suspicous Action, so i dont think they hacked here, or they just were very carefully after we told them we found out about they are hacking When you watched all the replays and the recommended situations you will know these guys are hacking and not had just one or two lucky timing or something like that. Sorcery also was known as a hacker before, so add all these facts together and you will see it yourself In Game7 they also called us hacking cause they obviously can not handle the situation they lost 5 out of 7 games while using hacks against guys who dont. Game six is probably 99% sure they were hacking.... or map hacking etc.. Ok i watched both their camera vision and they didn't really peak where the spire was when it was going down so that part i can't really say anything about. But when the stalker push came i noticed that with their vision the stalkers never even saw the mutas heading toward his base for that matter and pulled them all back at exactly the moment the mutas were heading for his base. Coincidentally enough he had 4 stalkers warped in and a cannon built whilst they were flying over. I'd say these guys r Def Hackers. Cheaters etc. Protech is right. All while he didn't even see the Mutas flying over. hmmm... When he cancelled the 1 Robo bay though a second before it finished i didn't see any suspicious camera movement looking at your guys bases though. But the #6 Replay stinks alot of Hackers Bro, did you see the production tab? The spire goes down 1 second before the robo finishes, and as soon as the spire goes down he cancels the robo and makes a citadel, how much more obvious do you need? Come on man
You're right i had production tab up at the same time; i actually agree with you. I believe they are hackers.
I'm just saying they didn't have any weird movements over to your bases.. but if they were using production tab hack then you're right it wouldn't matter if they were looking at your base.
I'm not trying to refute your proof trying to help bro.
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On August 12 2011 03:24 Juvant wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 00:57 CraShed-Ice wrote:On August 11 2011 16:08 Juvant wrote:Server: NA Your Name: Juvant Hacker Name: Spectre Replay: http://drop.sc/25983Description: Watched this replay without thinking anything suspect was going on, but noticed that during several battles spectre's apm spiked to 600-1200. Thought this was impossible, which I believe it is, so I had my teammate watch it as well. He noticed that at 12 minutes, if you watch from Spectre's view, his stalkers are blinking on the minimap, across the map, while he macros in his base. All with his impossibly high apm. At about 19:20, his apm hits 900 and remains between 900 and 1200 for the next 20 ingame seconds, including a few seconds when he looks away from the battle at his expansion, while still microing. After watching this replay, I feel the same way as you do. Some players tend to have really high APM by multitasking but in this case, I feel like it's some kind of microhack. I've seen a roach burrow one that acted like this before. Just when the roaches were about to die, they burrow, backed and unborrowed. Coming from a good players, I would have believed it, but since it was from someone with 50 apm all game long spiking at 900 durings fights, defenetly a hack. I believe that Juvant was using something similar to what I just described.... I'm Juvant :p m But yeah, I have heard a lot of pros making a big deal out of July's apm spiking to 700 in some pro game years ago, and that was in BW apm. SC2 is 40% higher I believe. He'd have to be making about 25-28 actions per second for that 20 second period. Which I absolutely think is impossible, even with tremendous spam.
SC2 in-game APM is LOWER due to faster "minutes."
In BW, my top spam was over 700 APM, I would frequently have that at the start of the game trying to get my fingers warmed up, but in-battles it would only go that high if it were laggy. But yeah, I played fastest maps a lot and you would see people with 35 APM spike up to 700-800 in every engagement and then drop back down to nothing, and magically all their units moved in sync with no hotkeys. Especially awesome with 300 zerglings or 60 mutalisks; they wouldn't even try to hide it!
Incidentally, right now if you hotkey your main and hold it down, your keystroke auto-repeat will count as unique actions giving you up to about 2000 actions per minute depending on your settings in Control Panel. Patch 1.4 is supposed to change that. Just saying that not all spikes can be explained in that way, but from the sounds of it, Spectre was actually hacking.
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Server: EU Your Name: Naganis Hacker Name: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/656331/1/KIkNeTTo/ Replay: kiknetto [url blocked] Description: Altar, normally you need to scout to cheese. No, he took a probe and went near my nat without scouting. My reaction was very bad, sure, but, IMHO, he maphacked this game.
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Server: NA Your Name: rna Hacker Name: MrF Replay: http://www.zshare.net/download/944564603b8c472a/ Description: Blatant maphack
Unless there is a "zerg spawn find" bug on Abyssal Caverns like the one on old Lost Temple, this guy does a perfect proxy 2rax, puts it in between our spawns without scouting. Checked his profile and he's high diamond (I am 1200 masters). His mmr must be ludicrously high to be playing me, which is indicative that he's winning a loooooooooot of his games. Not completely sure he's maphacking, but it is VERY likely that he could be.
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Server: EU Your Name: Spirates Hacker Name: meh Replay: http://replayfu.com/download/tRfRDt
I've met this guy before, like 2 weeks ago and that time he really showed to be a maphacker. Unfortuontly I didnt save that replay, so Iam not gonna talk about that. I met him today again but he played way more causious now.
The only real thing that is suspicious is towards the end, he is mvoing out with his toss army but when he has went across half the map towards my base he suddenly decides to move his whole army back to his mainbase, to the excact location Iam dropping.
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i wonder if TL is gonna do anything to sorcery and cryptoplasm hmmmm or just let sorcery the hacker get away once again. getting caught once is sad enough but the 2nd time should be a life ban or at least ban this kid for awhile.
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On September 15 2011 21:55 rna wrote:Server: NA Your Name: rna Hacker Name: MrF Replay: http://www.zshare.net/download/944564603b8c472a/Description: Blatant maphack Unless there is a "zerg spawn find" bug on Abyssal Caverns like the one on old Lost Temple, this guy does a perfect proxy 2rax, puts it in between our spawns without scouting. Checked his profile and he's high diamond (I am 1200 masters). His mmr must be ludicrously high to be playing me, which is indicative that he's winning a loooooooooot of his games. Not completely sure he's maphacking, but it is VERY likely that he could be.
http://drop.sc/34947
I played this guy on ladder as well and felt very suspicious of his play.
He goes 1/1/1 and blind vikings instead of banshees vs void ray allin. He knows exactly when and where to poke with his vikings.
He also never attempts to scout anything ever in either game.
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Server: EU Your Name: Wiwiweb Hacker Name: korbendallas Replay: http://drop.sc/34950 Description: Blindly makes a correct guess building cannon at an expo on a 4 player map. Cancels the cannons as soon as the expansion get cancelled, without seeing it. Then makes cannons at another expansion that I tried to take, once again blindly. As soon as my all-in nydus entrance starts building, makes pylons all over his base and adds cannons.
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Server: EU Your Name: Diz Hack Name: VespeneGasso Replay: http://drop.sc/34955 Description: Not scouting other bases, walks straight to mine. Knows where reapers are coming without any sort of map-control or vision. Always stands ready with some units to kill the reapers as they jump on the cliff. If you watch his cam, you can see it yourself.
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[QUOTE]On September 15 2011 13:18 ProTech wrote: [QUOTE]On September 15 2011 07:42 tQorgetslamt wrote: even if they got lucky with the wall thing come on now how obvious could it be exact timing for everything.. 1. 7:30 cancel 2nd robo (1 sec before it finishes) to switch to blink to counter muta also warp in 4 stalker+1 cannon and then move back ur whole army while its harassing to defend against muta there is no way he coulda knew the EXACT timing...
and all those time where he kill my hatches right when it finishes WITHOUT EVER SEEING anything.... CMON. give me a better reason than luck oh yea its hack[/QUOTE]
100% obvious[/QUOT
watched replays agreed 100% hackers
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On September 16 2011 00:50 Wiwiweb wrote:Server: EU Your Name: Wiwiweb Hacker Name: korbendallas Replay: http://drop.sc/34950Description: Blindly makes a correct guess building cannon at an expo on a 4 player map. Cancels the cannons as soon as the expansion get cancelled, without seeing it. Then makes cannons at another expansion that I tried to take, once again blindly. As soon as my all-in nydus entrance starts building, makes pylons all over his base and adds cannons. saw replay looks obvious to me
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On September 15 2011 13:29 JediGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2011 13:28 AxionTurn wrote:On September 15 2011 13:10 tQorgetslamt wrote: u dont get it this sorcery guy usually never beats me without using hack(and turning on hack after a few game of losing could be the result) and please watch the replay 10x the times before u post a comment plz any person who have some sort of knowledge about the game would definately agree with me that these guys hack. u dont cancel a 2nd robo from 1 second away from being done without seeing anything, u dont warp in 4 stalkers in the back of ur base BEFORE seeing any sort of vision u may get lucky 1 time, but these guys fucking made like 8 suspicious moves. im a 1v1 gm/no.1 global 2v2 rt player atm playing at the highest level of the game u need to scout every second and gain evey information u could possibly get from ur opponents to try to counter wat they're doing and from wat i have seen from these guys, they didn't ever done anything to get information from us And that in such a high level game u're never suppose to guess wat ur oppnent is doing "oh hes going dt lets get some turrets" 2 mins later ill show up with 20 stalkers ok? ... What my point here is that you dont blindly counter your opponents 10x the times with luck. and u dont send out 50 stalkers 5 collosus to kill a hatch that just pop WITHOUT EVER SCOUTING IT... geeez watch the replay before u start commenting if someone knew that it was just a hatchery wouldnt you send a few stalkers to kill it? i didn't seem like he knew the expo was there any more than trying to defend that top expansion and maybe thinking that you guys saw it and were going to bring a large army there to take it out? A new account made today with 2 posts ONLY defending a proven hacker. Mod should iplog you. Really obvious hacker if you make an account just to defend yourself. Also- Anyone playing SGTofluck be careful and try to upload the replay. He is ogsnada friend using the same hack, I played him on ladder today I think he gets a mental high off pretending he doesn't hack lol.
if you read more of the thread i believe that oGsNada and SGTofLucK are the same person
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On September 15 2011 22:59 spirates wrote:Server: EU Your Name: Spirates Hacker Name: meh Replay: http://replayfu.com/download/tRfRDtI've met this guy before, like 2 weeks ago and that time he really showed to be a maphacker. Unfortuontly I didnt save that replay, so Iam not gonna talk about that. I met him today again but he played way more causious now. The only real thing that is suspicious is towards the end, he is mvoing out with his toss army but when he has went across half the map towards my base he suddenly decides to move his whole army back to his mainbase, to the excact location Iam dropping.
yea it looks pretty obvious but i dont think one incident is enough too accuse of hacks
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Server: AM Your Name: VoidPrism Hacker Name: Bomi Replay: http://drop.sc/34988 Description: Maphacking
Proxy 2-gates the correct location on Shakuras Plateau without ever scouting me or even spotting a scouting probe; he sends his probe to the correct location at the very start of the game. When his 2 gateways are building he also makes some semi-suspicious glances at my base that he has never scouted. What makes me unsure though is that with it being Shakuras, theres a 50% chance of getting the right location so maybe he was just willing to take the coinflip.
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On September 16 2011 04:55 J_D wrote:Server: AM Your Name: VoidPrism Hacker Name: Bomi Replay: http://drop.sc/34988Description: Maphacking Proxy 2-gates the correct location on Shakuras Plateau without ever scouting me or even spotting a scouting probe; he sends his probe to the correct location at the very start of the game. When his 2 gateways are building he also makes some semi-suspicious glances at my base that he has never scouted. What makes me unsure though is that with it being Shakuras, theres a 50% chance of getting the right location so maybe he was just willing to take the coinflip.
Just watched this replay, this is obvious.
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Server: North America Your Name: Ninteen Hacker Name: hifana Replay: http://www.filesonic.com/file/2006094554/Nineteen_(P)_vs_hirfana_(Z)_150911.SC2Replay Description: Cleary looking through fog of war several times. Sends first overlord & drone diagonally across to my exact position. Note worthy times:
0:10 1:15 18:50
and a lot more that I didn't bother looking for/typing out here because the ones provided make it quite obvious.
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Server: NA Your Name: hOuSeUrMuSiC Hacker Name: kayj Replay: http://drop.sc/35073 Description: Obvious map hack even admitted to it when I messaged him. He proxies 2 gates outside my base on tal darim with out scouting... Deezer status
After game conversation:
You: your that bad and you hack KayJ has reconnected. You: sad KayJ: yes hack.,... You: yes sent report
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Played ogsnada today, 40 minute game with 1 scan (right after i called him a hacker he did a scan lol).
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Server: NA Your Name : Aer0k Hacker Name : PanzerElite Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/13145 Description: Points of Interest: 11:34~: I just put down my spire after clearing out his lings..then he blindly places 4~ Spore Crawlers.
24:00~ Blue runs his hydras to his main..without any vision of my Mutas and finds them not moving..
26:00+~ He begins making around 6~ Infestors..I have my Broodlords on the way. He cancels 4 Infestors then starts out making 9 corruptors blindly...
At a Later Part in the game, he then builds MASS Corruptors to counter Mutas.
From watching his Camera View..To me atleast it looks awkward at the screens he views even though he has no vision of anything. Sort of like he's staring at Fog of War Screens.
Sorry its kind of a long game -Aer0k
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one guy accused my of hacking when i wasn't. XD i hope im not on here
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On September 16 2011 23:24 JohnEh827 wrote:Server: NA Your Name : Aer0k Hacker Name : PanzerElite Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/13145Description: Points of Interest: 11:34~: I just put down my spire after clearing out his lings..then he blindly places 4~ Spore Crawlers. 24:00~ Blue runs his hydras to his main..without any vision of my Mutas and finds them not moving.. 26:00+~ He begins making around 6~ Infestors..I have my Broodlords on the way. He cancels 4 Infestors then starts out making 9 corruptors blindly... At a Later Part in the game, he then builds MASS Corruptors to counter Mutas. From watching his Camera View..To me atleast it looks awkward at the screens he views even though he has no vision of anything. Sort of like he's staring at Fog of War Screens. Sorry its kind of a long game -Aer0k
Just watched this one and to add a couple of things, there's almost constant looking in to FOW, Constantly checking up on Aer0k's army but quite a lot of peaking at the Muta's too. In fact almost every time he looks on the map anywhere it's either at Aer0k's base or his army. He looks directly at the Spire through FOV then builds Spore's and his own Spire. He looks directly over morphing Brood's then starts Corruptors.
My favourite one though is 23:50 when Aer0k is moving his Muta's in to the south side of Panzer's main and Panzer looks at them about 20 seconds earlier through FOW and moves his whole army there and then at 23:50 peaks down to make sure they're coming still and then randomly attack moves a corner of his base that he can't see (exactly where the Muta's are).
Also of note is the attack on the 4th, which explainable by good scouting is focussed on and spam clicked with a large portion of lings to specifically attack that unscouted base towards the end of the game.
In short, definately hacking and couldn't be more obvious about it if he was selecting units he couldn't see.
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On September 17 2011 05:20 Iyerbeth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 23:24 JohnEh827 wrote:Server: NA Your Name : Aer0k Hacker Name : PanzerElite Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/13145Description: Points of Interest: 11:34~: I just put down my spire after clearing out his lings..then he blindly places 4~ Spore Crawlers. 24:00~ Blue runs his hydras to his main..without any vision of my Mutas and finds them not moving.. 26:00+~ He begins making around 6~ Infestors..I have my Broodlords on the way. He cancels 4 Infestors then starts out making 9 corruptors blindly... At a Later Part in the game, he then builds MASS Corruptors to counter Mutas. From watching his Camera View..To me atleast it looks awkward at the screens he views even though he has no vision of anything. Sort of like he's staring at Fog of War Screens. Sorry its kind of a long game -Aer0k Just watched this one and to add a couple of things, there's almost constant looking in to FOW, Constantly checking up on Aer0k's army but quite a lot of peaking at the Muta's too. In fact almost every time he looks on the map anywhere it's either at Aer0k's base or his army. He looks directly at the Spire through FOV then builds Spore's and his own Spire. He looks directly over morphing Brood's then starts Corruptors. My favourite one though is 23:50 when Aer0k is moving his Muta's in to the south side of Panzer's main and Panzer looks at them about 20 seconds earlier through FOW and moves his whole army there and then at 23:50 peaks down to make sure they're coming still and then randomly attack moves a corner of his base that he can't see (exactly where the Muta's are). Also of note is the attack on the 4th, which explainable by good scouting is focussed on and spam clicked with a large portion of lings to specifically attack that unscouted base towards the end of the game. In short, definately hacking and couldn't be more obvious about it if he was selecting units he couldn't see.
agree with the staring of the fog of war.
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Server: NA Your Name : Nineteen Hacker Name : chOice Replay : http://www.filesonic.com/file/2015835584/chOice_hacking.SC2Replay Description: Seems to be production tab hacking. Take a look at his tech structures, he puts down a baneling nest, I see it and put down 3 cannons and there's no baneling bust. After, he puts down a spire, I scout it and put 3 cannons at each mineral line + tech blink, and he decides to not make any mutalisks. Instead, immediately puts down an infestation pit and a roach warren. I'm a grandmaster protoss, and no zerg is stupid enough to get every single tech building on a lair, it's just very inefficient. On top of all this his first overlord was not directed to any base, but rather, just to his natural.
Another point to note, when you're playing high level games a zerg ALWAYS sends in an overlord into the protoss base around 7-8 minutes in. This person NEVER cares to scout me, not a single overlord, overseer, or even a zergling or drone past my naturals cannon defense. Even when I decide to push out with my collo stalker army and take the top xel naga tower, he didn't even care to take a look at my composition. If you say he made the spire to counter collosi, why didnt he make corrupters when he noticed them?
A little bit too fishy. Please ban.
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This hacker database is an absolute joke, most of the "good evidence" can be literally a player who pans over the fog alot and there is many situations where you can react to the enemies army without actually knowing where it is, many things come into play...how long when you last seen his army? To defend your first incase you expect a push coming etc...
This list is an absolute joke and should be removed. Let me break your "good" evidence down for you.
My writing = red text
Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):
Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move) - I do this in alot of games, it helps keep me active, reminding me to scout etc. Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though. Oh yeah, because no one pans over the fog, during games, to CONSIDER sending a unit / their army there, again another thing that I do Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there. There does not have to be a reason, to look at a place on the map, also, they may be thinking of sending a unit to check if there is an ovi, drop or warp prism coming -_- Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.) This again, is NOT proof at all...serioulsy your 'good' evidence is TERRIBLE 'evidence', if you can even call it that. Some players do randomly move their army out for no particular reason, maybe just to poke around or check incase something is coming and if something DOES come, then that's GOOD, you're likely to catch them offguard....use common sense, this thread is not a success, it's a fail
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On September 17 2011 12:10 Zelthcon wrote: This hacker database is an absolute joke, most of the "good evidence" can be literally a player who pans over the fog alot and there is many situations where you can react to the enemies army without actually knowing where it is, many things come into play...how long when you last seen his army? To defend your first incase you expect a push coming etc...
This list is an absolute joke and should be removed. Let me break your "good" evidence down for you.
My writing = red text
Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):
Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move) - I do this in alot of games, it helps keep me active, reminding me to scout etc. Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though. Oh yeah, because no one pans over the fog, during games, to CONSIDER sending a unit / their army there, again another thing that I do Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there. There does not have to be a reason, to look at a place on the map, also, they may be thinking of sending a unit to check if there is an ovi, drop or warp prism coming -_- Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.) This again, is NOT proof at all...serioulsy your 'good' evidence is TERRIBLE 'evidence', if you can even call it that. Some players do randomly move their army out for no particular reason, maybe just to poke around or check incase something is coming and if something DOES come, then that's GOOD, you're likely to catch them offguard....use common sense, this thread is not a success, it's a fail
I'd like a few of your replays please.
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Why isn't meh added as a hacker to the EU list.
I've reported him and two more people reported him total of 4 replays which all show the kid is cheating.
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On September 17 2011 12:10 Zelthcon wrote:This hacker database is an absolute joke, most of the "good evidence" can be literally a player who pans over the fog alot and there is many situations where you can react to the enemies army without actually knowing where it is, many things come into play...how long when you last seen his army? To defend your first incase you expect a push coming etc... + Show Spoiler [spoilered for length] +
This list is an absolute joke and should be removed. Let me break your "good" evidence down for you.
My writing = red text
Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):
Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move) - I do this in alot of games, it helps keep me active, reminding me to scout etc. Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though. Oh yeah, because no one pans over the fog, during games, to CONSIDER sending a unit / their army there, again another thing that I do Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there. There does not have to be a reason, to look at a place on the map, also, they may be thinking of sending a unit to check if there is an ovi, drop or warp prism coming -_- Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.) This again, is NOT proof at all...serioulsy your 'good' evidence is TERRIBLE 'evidence', if you can even call it that. Some players do randomly move their army out for no particular reason, maybe just to poke around or check incase something is coming and if something DOES come, then that's GOOD, you're likely to catch them offguard....use common sense, this thread is not a success, it's a fail
I don't know if you've had a look through any of these replays or properly read the discussions but maybe (hopefully?) I can put put your mind at ease a little.
When people are reviewing camera movement over an enemy base it isn't just a click over to double check something or staying active, it's things like click over new bases as the go down, clicking directly on to hidden buildings, clicking on to their base and and staring at it - especially when combined with responding to tech they've not scouted almost immediately.
Clicking about is normal, even checking what you've seen in the past, but when you see repeated clicks to the exact location of an army that's moving around, responding to tech after clicking over the spot with it in that they shouldn't be able to see, or even just checking up on new buildings on the map when they go up, this does add up (but not mean!) and can mean that your opponent is cheating.
Your second point is again valid, but I think you're giving these people too much credit. I'd strongly advise having a look at some of the one's that are confirmed with this is, it's not just someone checks a spot out quickly, or is looking to move a unit in place or even just misclicking. If you watch some of these replays from the camera view of the accused hacker and whenever they click to a random spot on the map you pause and view everyone they're staring at something coming to their base, sometimes even following it with the camera. Again once or twice might be coincidence but when it gets to the point they just happen to click to these things over and over again and are positioning their units or static defense it does begin to look very suspicious.
The final point is fair, it's not great evidence and that's precisely why you'd never see this used to condemn someone by itself but there are still some things that become very difficult to explain. An example which might be stronger evidence than most for instance are things like Probes planning to build Pylons suddenly changing where they're heading to stop and wait for enemy units to pass that they can't see, before then continuing as soon as it's safe.
If you look through those that are confirmed as hackers in this thread (or season 1 and 2 versions) it's not just that they do some of these a bit or got luck with a drop or had cannons to stop DT's, it's that they do these things repeatedly to such an extent that it's certain (not probable, but certain) they're able to see things under the fog of war that they should not be able to. Some of the other forms of hacking which aren't listed include 1200 APM perfect blink micro while the user doesn't even have the army selected and isn't even looking at the battle.
It takes a lot to get confirmed on these threads, which have sometimes actually made the people running it a little unpopular as they won't confirm without 100% certainty and I can guarentee that were you to upload a genuine game where you didn't cheat it wouldn't be confirmed as hacking. You just can't do the things that they do.
Finally, the last one I gave input on that I said should be confirmed (I'm just helping out I don't get to make the choice) as a couple of examples of things that happened:
+ Show Spoiler +- Almost every single time the accused clicked anywhere on the map that wasn't within his site he was directly over something he shouldn't have known about it if I paused and checked everyone's view. Literally every time he clicked to a spot on the map without moving a unit to it he was staring at something he shouldn't be able to see.
- He either really liked his enemy's choke (no buildings at all) so much that he spent much of the game checking up to make sure it was still there, or he clicking directly over his opponents army, including clicking slight above, below or to the side with each click corresponding exactly with his opponents units if you pause and check everyone's view. We're not talking once or twice here, but probably 20+.
- Whilst repeatedly clicking to his opponents base and for several seconds scrolling through it to see new tech he at one point if he could see through the FOW would have seen a Spire literally just start. Immediately after looking at that spot he builds 4 Spore Crawlers and then goes and starts a Spire of his own.
- When Mutalisks are flying around anywhere, his view will be clicking to the exact spot they're in and on one occasion seeing them flying around the right side of Xel'naga Caverns he clicks to their exact location, then selects his hole army and moves it to his main. The Muta's stop for just a second south of their attack point and he scrolls down, again so he's staring directly at the spot they're in, but when they start moving up he attack moves his army in to the random corner of his base (about 6 feet in front of them) which just happens to perfectly coincide with the Mutalisks.
- His opponent begins morphing Brood Lords and upon checking out that attractive choke again and spotting that with no vision, he immediately not only starts building mass Corruptor, he even cancels his Infestors that are building in order to do so faster.
This is the kind of evidence which when put all together can not be attributed to anything other than cheating, and this isn't some extreme example it's about average. There are some more subtle but some that are just silly with the amount they abuse it but in every confirmed case you'll find that it's not just extremely likely they're cheating - there is no other explanation for their actions.
If you review a replay and you think that calling it confirmed is wrong that's just as useful as confirming they did hack and you should speak up if you think there's a mistake. Get involved and help out if you have the time to make sure that only the cheaters are confirmed, but to make sure they're confirmed quickly.
I hope this post helps in some way.
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On September 17 2011 12:10 Zelthcon wrote: This hacker database is an absolute joke, most of the "good evidence" can be literally a player who pans over the fog alot and there is many situations where you can react to the enemies army without actually knowing where it is, many things come into play...how long when you last seen his army? To defend your first incase you expect a push coming etc...
This list is an absolute joke and should be removed. Let me break your "good" evidence down for you.
My writing = red text
Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):
Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move) - I do this in alot of games, it helps keep me active, reminding me to scout etc. Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though. Oh yeah, because no one pans over the fog, during games, to CONSIDER sending a unit / their army there, again another thing that I do Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there. There does not have to be a reason, to look at a place on the map, also, they may be thinking of sending a unit to check if there is an ovi, drop or warp prism coming -_- Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.) This again, is NOT proof at all...serioulsy your 'good' evidence is TERRIBLE 'evidence', if you can even call it that. Some players do randomly move their army out for no particular reason, maybe just to poke around or check incase something is coming and if something DOES come, then that's GOOD, you're likely to catch them offguard....use common sense, this thread is not a success, it's a fail
I think the point is though that when you do all of those things repeatedly is when something is up. I can agree that one or two of those things could just be by chance but I think its fair for you to agree if they all occur repeatedly then something fishy is occuring. Personally I dont think people should rely on looking over fog unless its plainfully obvious, as there are production tab hacks and screen lock hacks which negate that so it isnt reliable (even then in certain situations you dont need to look at an opponents base, just the radar).
When are Probe1 and Co coming back? I hope they're all good. I'd like to see some official updates and things ^>^
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Server:EU Your Name: TiKoz Hacker Name: ShOOtEmUpXCI Replay: "ShOOtEmUpXCI maphack" http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/13201 Description: No scout during all game, when i prod a lot of gling in the beginning, i close his wall and build more gates and cannons in the wall. His voidray has the orden of 'attack' in my baneling hidden in the fog of war (he clicks exactly in their position), his phoenix moves weirdly to an overlord in a position where you don't think there is an over. His voidray goes in my B3 natural where my glings are destroying the rock (at this moment he doesn't know where i'am in the map so it's very strange)
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Server:NA Your Name: vileStRyKeR Hacker Name: Genesis Replay: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4422/sc2/replays/public/Genesis.SC2Replay
Description: Dude's currently #1 on NA. Not surprising, as I'm pretty sure he hacks. Note the following times:
14:56 -- instantly knows where my Nydus Canal is, behind the smoke (he has no vision through smoke), warps in zealots
23:30 -- attack moves to top right where my expo is (he has not scouted it). he cancels his attack because I'm pressuring
24:16 -- knows about Nydus through smoke, again
26:40 -- finally attacks my expo at top right with entire army, unscouted
27:15 -- again, instant Nydus detection through smoke
The most egregious are the moments where he sees my nydus canal through the smoke, almost seconds after i start one, every time. I don't know how you can do that naturally.
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Server:EU Your Name: Ocelot Hacker Name: nomore Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/13229#wysiwyg
He clearly tries to avoid showing that he is actually maphacking (or he has some sort of minimap hack)but here are the points I saw he was actually doing it.
At 7:05 He sees alot of buildings in my base and immediately goes for 4 Spines.
This could actually be normal for some zergs at my level but the next one confirms it
At 7:20 I get my warp prism up to his ramp by never once showing it to him. You could see that if you follow his vision. but as soon as i get there he rallies his zerglings and roaches there immediately.
After that i basically was behind and lost, and the only noteworthy thing i saw after was that he saw my went to his 4th base just before my DTs attacked it.
Also After chatting with him and telling him about the spines he said they were obvious, After i mentioned the warp Prism he started ignoring me. I obviously cant prove this convo but that seals his guilt for me.
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@ Iyerbeth - I read your entire post and that has put me at ease, It's just that the way the opening post is written does not explain very well how the process workers or how they go about confirming if someones hacking.
Most of the "weak evidence" is not even remotely evidence at all...I think the OP just needs to be edited to make it not seem like some crappy database where the "good" evidence is actually considered a strong way to suggest they hack, when it's not remotely that at all, it's a huge combination of factors.
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On September 18 2011 23:52 blacklist_member wrote:Server:EU Your Name: Ocelot Hacker Name: nomore Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/13229#wysiwygHe clearly tries to avoid showing that he is actually maphacking (or he has some sort of minimap hack)but here are the points I saw he was actually doing it. At 7:05 He sees alot of buildings in my base and immediately goes for 4 Spines. This could actually be normal for some zergs at my level but the next one confirms it At 7:20 I get my warp prism up to his ramp by never once showing it to him. You could see that if you follow his vision. but as soon as i get there he rallies his zerglings and roaches there immediately. After that i basically was behind and lost, and the only noteworthy thing i saw after was that he saw my went to his 4th base just before my DTs attacked it. Also After chatting with him and telling him about the spines he said they were obvious, After i mentioned the warp Prism he started ignoring me. I obviously cant prove this convo but that seals his guilt for me.
In my defence, I dont cheat and never have at sc2.
For the spines at 7:05,I've built spines in every ZvP i've played since I can remember. Doesn't everyone?
For the warp prism, I honestly dont know what to say. Maybe I heard it, or maybe it was lucky repositioning of my forces. All I can remember of it is seeing sentries drop/warp in, and flashing back to a tactic posted here not long ago. I see how it looks, but there's nothing behind it.
But, watch it; beleive, or not.
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Server: AM Your Name: SouperiorOne Hacker Name: Grandmaster Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/13263 Description: Maphacking.
Very short replay that tells it all. Just look at his vision at the very start of the game and you'll see.
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On September 15 2011 21:55 rna wrote:Server: NA Your Name: rna Hacker Name: MrF Replay: http://www.zshare.net/download/944564603b8c472a/Description: Blatant maphack Unless there is a "zerg spawn find" bug on Abyssal Caverns like the one on old Lost Temple, this guy does a perfect proxy 2rax, puts it in between our spawns without scouting. Checked his profile and he's high diamond (I am 1200 masters). His mmr must be ludicrously high to be playing me, which is indicative that he's winning a loooooooooot of his games. Not completely sure he's maphacking, but it is VERY likely that he could be.
This is a obvious maphacker He double proxy rax without scouting, so he look pretty confident in the fact he's close position, even though he didnt scouted. But he could just be a stupid gambler
some minutes later though you attempt a baneling bust and as soon as baneling are getting out of your base he get his marine back and spend meticulous time to split each single marine
That's a pretty sick gamesense we have here
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On September 19 2011 08:55 Lanki wrote:Server: AM Your Name: SouperiorOne Hacker Name: Grandmaster Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/13263Description: Maphacking. Very short replay that tells it all. Just look at his vision at the very start of the game and you'll see.
Read the PM i sent you, it's not Maphack, it's just a recent bug that was discovered on Tal'darim alter where you could see the position of the zerg without scouting, simply look at the tree behind his mineral line (the one he was looking at in the replay) and if it moves that means the Z is there, if it doesn't then check the other bases! it's not maphack.
EDIT: Omg I can't believe ToT was confirmed maphacker, that guy is the #1 in my division, always steals my #1 spot gotta watch out for him now lol.
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On September 18 2011 13:03 StRyKeR wrote:Server:NA Your Name: vileStRyKeR Hacker Name: Genesis Replay: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4422/sc2/replays/public/Genesis.SC2ReplayDescription: Dude's currently #1 on NA. Not surprising, as I'm pretty sure he hacks. Note the following times: 14:56 -- instantly knows where my Nydus Canal is, behind the smoke (he has no vision through smoke), warps in zealots 23:30 -- attack moves to top right where my expo is (he has not scouted it). he cancels his attack because I'm pressuring 24:16 -- knows about Nydus through smoke, again 26:40 -- finally attacks my expo at top right with entire army, unscouted 27:15 -- again, instant Nydus detection through smoke The most egregious are the moments where he sees my nydus canal through the smoke, almost seconds after i start one, every time. I don't know how you can do that naturally.
The whole game i was wondering why you though he was hacking, the expo thing isnt special, if it's a 24 min and the zerg is still fighting he must have a ton of expo
But then, triple nydus scouted through smoke and 4 stalker warped every fucking time he start
It's painfully obvious
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On September 19 2011 08:59 PaPoolee wrote:Read the PM i sent you, it's not Maphack, it's just a recent bug that was discovered on Tal'darim alter where you could see the position of the zerg without scouting, simply look at the tree behind his mineral line (the one he was looking at in the replay) and if it moves that means the Z is there, if it doesn't then check the other bases! it's not maphack. EDIT: Omg I can't believe ToT was confirmed maphacker, that guy is the #1 in my division, always steals my #1 spot gotta watch out for him now lol.
So he sent the probe at 5 seconds into the game WITHOUT even looking at the bases and makes proxies. Sounds more like hacks to me.
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On September 19 2011 08:57 Protosnake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2011 21:55 rna wrote:Server: NA Your Name: rna Hacker Name: MrF Replay: http://www.zshare.net/download/944564603b8c472a/Description: Blatant maphack Unless there is a "zerg spawn find" bug on Abyssal Caverns like the one on old Lost Temple, this guy does a perfect proxy 2rax, puts it in between our spawns without scouting. Checked his profile and he's high diamond (I am 1200 masters). His mmr must be ludicrously high to be playing me, which is indicative that he's winning a loooooooooot of his games. Not completely sure he's maphacking, but it is VERY likely that he could be. This is a obvious maphacker He double proxy rax without scouting, so he look pretty confident in the fact he's close position, even though he didnt scouted. But he could just be a stupid gambler some minutes later though you attempt a baneling bust and as soon as baneling are getting out of your base he get his marine back and spend meticulous time to split each single marine That's a pretty sick gamesense we have here
I don't know if I can agree completely with this one.
The 2 rax location is suspicious but I've seen even Grandmaster pros like VVVRuff take wild probability chances on his stream with proxy locations. It all comes down to whether the player is willing to cut corners or play safe.
Also throughout the entire replay the terran never even looks at the zerg's base or his army, I guess this could be that camera lock everything is talking about but there's no real point in the game where the terran is frozen into something for an extended period of time.
So I think this is inconclusive at best.
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On September 19 2011 08:59 PaPoolee wrote:Read the PM i sent you, it's not Maphack, it's just a recent bug that was discovered on Tal'darim alter where you could see the position of the zerg without scouting, simply look at the tree behind his mineral line (the one he was looking at in the replay) and if it moves that means the Z is there, if it doesn't then check the other bases! it's not maphack. EDIT: Omg I can't believe ToT was confirmed maphacker, that guy is the #1 in my division, always steals my #1 spot gotta watch out for him now lol.
Yeah the top right spot on Taldarim can easily be told if its zerg or not. It was listed on a bug on the blizzard forums
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On September 17 2011 09:48 NineteenSC2 wrote:Server: NA Your Name : Nineteen Hacker Name : chOice Replay : http://www.filesonic.com/file/2015835584/chOice_hacking.SC2ReplayDescription: Seems to be production tab hacking. Take a look at his tech structures, he puts down a baneling nest, I see it and put down 3 cannons and there's no baneling bust. After, he puts down a spire, I scout it and put 3 cannons at each mineral line + tech blink, and he decides to not make any mutalisks. Instead, immediately puts down an infestation pit and a roach warren. I'm a grandmaster protoss, and no zerg is stupid enough to get every single tech building on a lair, it's just very inefficient. On top of all this his first overlord was not directed to any base, but rather, just to his natural. Another point to note, when you're playing high level games a zerg ALWAYS sends in an overlord into the protoss base around 7-8 minutes in. This person NEVER cares to scout me, not a single overlord, overseer, or even a zergling or drone past my naturals cannon defense. Even when I decide to push out with my collo stalker army and take the top xel naga tower, he didn't even care to take a look at my composition. If you say he made the spire to counter collosi, why didnt he make corrupters when he noticed them? A little bit too fishy. Please ban.
Nothing fishy. He may throw down alternate tech for one of two reasons a) he knows he is way ahead of you because you spent waaaay too much money and cut too many probes doing your early shinanigans and he got 3 bases up quick, or b) because he knows you scouted the spire with the obs. Him seeing the air ripple because of your observer is enough to tip him off to not make mutalisks.
Looks to me like you're just a sore loser. Don't cry hack every game you lose?
Also, your recount of what happens is flawed. He puts down alternative tech long before you put cannons in your mineral line. You just saw spire and made a big assumption. Come on, you yourself said you are in grandmasters - yet you don't think players can't see an observer floating by?
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On September 19 2011 17:39 Gnial wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 09:48 NineteenSC2 wrote:Server: NA Your Name : Nineteen Hacker Name : chOice Replay : http://www.filesonic.com/file/2015835584/chOice_hacking.SC2ReplayDescription: Seems to be production tab hacking. Take a look at his tech structures, he puts down a baneling nest, I see it and put down 3 cannons and there's no baneling bust. After, he puts down a spire, I scout it and put 3 cannons at each mineral line + tech blink, and he decides to not make any mutalisks. Instead, immediately puts down an infestation pit and a roach warren. I'm a grandmaster protoss, and no zerg is stupid enough to get every single tech building on a lair, it's just very inefficient. On top of all this his first overlord was not directed to any base, but rather, just to his natural. Another point to note, when you're playing high level games a zerg ALWAYS sends in an overlord into the protoss base around 7-8 minutes in. This person NEVER cares to scout me, not a single overlord, overseer, or even a zergling or drone past my naturals cannon defense. Even when I decide to push out with my collo stalker army and take the top xel naga tower, he didn't even care to take a look at my composition. If you say he made the spire to counter collosi, why didnt he make corrupters when he noticed them? A little bit too fishy. Please ban. Nothing fishy. He may throw down alternate tech for one of two reasons a) he knows he is way ahead of you because you spent waaaay too much money and cut too many probes doing your early shinanigans and he got 3 bases up quick, or b) because he knows you scouted the spire with the obs. Him seeing the air ripple because of your observer is enough to tip him off to not make mutalisks. Looks to me like you're just a sore loser. Don't cry hack every game you lose? Also, your recount of what happens is flawed. He puts down alternative tech long before you put cannons in your mineral line. You just saw spire and made a big assumption. Come on, you yourself said you are in grandmasters - yet you don't think players can't see an observer floating by?
To add to this, Nineteen has accused other people of maphacking in this thread. So far noone has really commented on that other replay either.
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On September 19 2011 17:27 Itallion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 08:59 PaPoolee wrote:On September 19 2011 08:55 Lanki wrote:Server: AM Your Name: SouperiorOne Hacker Name: Grandmaster Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/13263Description: Maphacking. Very short replay that tells it all. Just look at his vision at the very start of the game and you'll see. Read the PM i sent you, it's not Maphack, it's just a recent bug that was discovered on Tal'darim alter where you could see the position of the zerg without scouting, simply look at the tree behind his mineral line (the one he was looking at in the replay) and if it moves that means the Z is there, if it doesn't then check the other bases! it's not maphack. EDIT: Omg I can't believe ToT was confirmed maphacker, that guy is the #1 in my division, always steals my #1 spot gotta watch out for him now lol. Yeah the top right spot on Taldarim can easily be told if its zerg or not. It was listed on a bug on the blizzard forums Did you read anything or even watch the replay? Your one of the main reason why this thread has lost respect, please mods, take a look at all of itallions posts in this thread. Itallion, do you even read what you write? Patch 1.3.0 dated 22nd of March provided a fix --> Fixed an issue with creep destroying more foliage than it should, and made foliage destruction by creep faster. Further a user points out later that this is incase the fact and that grandmaster, if for some reason abused the bug did not even take a look at any of the bases for foilage. There is only one grandmaster on NA with the name spelled like that, he is a 83% master Terran player, thus making this even more suspicious that he would do this as protoss at a diamond level (indicative of the user wanting to reach master faster) I took a look at all of your posts in this thread and have seen why maybe this thread has lost respect, you are a huge troll
if anyone is curious to the post I am referring to --> [/QUOTE]
Read the PM i sent you, it's not Maphack, it's just a recent bug that was discovered on Tal'darim alter where you could see the position of the zerg without scouting, simply look at the tree behind his mineral line (the one he was looking at in the replay) and if it moves that means the Z is there, if it doesn't then check the other bases! it's not maphack.
EDIT: Omg I can't believe ToT was confirmed maphacker, that guy is the #1 in my division, always steals my #1 spot gotta watch out for him now lol.[/QUOTE] also more proof of you posting without watching anything , in your last post you stated nineteen has accused other people in the thread, thus making his word considered more or less "to be taken without much consideration" yet you are not even close to reluctant to apply a different standard to other people who accuse everyone.
If you had watched that replay you would have known why the zerg is not a hacker but instead, you decide to stir up drama through your troll comments, not once have I seen you post a replay analysis but instead I see you post drama filled, flame baiting comments which you have been warned for before.
Please maintain the high quality and standard set by previous seasons, it is beyond evident that the mods are busy with other things and cannot respond fast enough, save them the time of looking through stuff such as posts like yours, instead provide detailed replay analysis with a conclusion.
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@Subcooled: This thread is below any criticism since the Deezer/Lone replay anyways. It became a trollfest. We should have stricter rules and harsher punishments about what can you post here and what - not. This is supposed to be a serious thread, because what we do is play investigators and judges. I liked it, but I will wait for a clean season 4 thread to start again.
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On September 19 2011 20:31 Subcooled wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 17:27 Itallion wrote:On September 19 2011 08:59 PaPoolee wrote:On September 19 2011 08:55 Lanki wrote:Server: AM Your Name: SouperiorOne Hacker Name: Grandmaster Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/13263Description: Maphacking. Very short replay that tells it all. Just look at his vision at the very start of the game and you'll see. Read the PM i sent you, it's not Maphack, it's just a recent bug that was discovered on Tal'darim alter where you could see the position of the zerg without scouting, simply look at the tree behind his mineral line (the one he was looking at in the replay) and if it moves that means the Z is there, if it doesn't then check the other bases! it's not maphack. EDIT: Omg I can't believe ToT was confirmed maphacker, that guy is the #1 in my division, always steals my #1 spot gotta watch out for him now lol. Yeah the top right spot on Taldarim can easily be told if its zerg or not. It was listed on a bug on the blizzard forums Did you read anything or even watch the replay? Your one of the main reason why this thread has lost respect, please mods, take a look at all of itallions posts in this thread. Itallion, do you even read what you write? Patch 1.3.0 dated 22nd of March provided a fix --> Fixed an issue with creep destroying more foliage than it should, and made foliage destruction by creep faster. Further a user points out later that this is incase the fact and that grandmaster, if for some reason abused the bug did not even take a look at any of the bases for foilage. There is only one grandmaster on NA with the name spelled like that, he is a 83% master Terran player, thus making this even more suspicious that he would do this as protoss at a diamond level (indicative of the user wanting to reach master faster) I took a look at all of your posts in this thread and have seen why maybe this thread has lost respect, you are a huge troll if anyone is curious to the post I am referring to -->
Read the PM i sent you, it's not Maphack, it's just a recent bug that was discovered on Tal'darim alter where you could see the position of the zerg without scouting, simply look at the tree behind his mineral line (the one he was looking at in the replay) and if it moves that means the Z is there, if it doesn't then check the other bases! it's not maphack.
EDIT: Omg I can't believe ToT was confirmed maphacker, that guy is the #1 in my division, always steals my #1 spot gotta watch out for him now lol.[/QUOTE] also more proof of you posting without watching anything , in your last post you stated nineteen has accused other people in the thread, thus making his word considered more or less "to be taken without much consideration" yet you are not even close to reluctant to apply a different standard to other people who accuse everyone.
If you had watched that replay you would have known why the zerg is not a hacker but instead, you decide to stir up drama through your troll comments, not once have I seen you post a replay analysis but instead I see you post drama filled, flame baiting comments which you have been warned for before.
Please maintain the high quality and standard set by previous seasons, it is beyond evident that the mods are busy with other things and cannot respond fast enough, save them the time of looking through stuff such as posts like yours, instead provide detailed replay analysis with a conclusion. [/QUOTE]
Hey man I don't know why you're getting so defensive.
I provide my comments when neccesary. So based on your reasoning, only people you that you approve of can throw in their two cents.
This is after all a community post and not some elitist type thing that you and your friends are doing on their free time.
Hoping that a mod will come in and fix all this since all your doing man is making personal attacks while I actually point out key stuff.
And yes I watch the replays, sorry if they're not up to your methodical standards sir
I doubt people will take your posts seriously since you write troll stuff like this.
"I have to agree with what Deezer is saying here. His stream was openly removed from the stream list and was not publicly discussed and was privately resolved. From what I understand from people such as minigun and fayth, Deezer doesn't actually stream cheat just snipe which teamliquid has stated is "ok" not recommended but acceptable whereas stream cheating is not acceptable at all. Deezer's stream was removed because he is "bad mannered" which is an inconsistent decision. The streamlist is to be accurate to the growth of esports from what I personally understand. If Deezer has a fanbase that wants to watch his stream then why not allow his stream to be there?"
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Played with this dude in a team game, he was one of my allies... Was a couple of weeks ago, I forgot about it till now.
FORMAT Server: SEA Your Name: Ryder Hacker Name: Sacrum Replay: http://drop.sc/35986 Description: 4:42 : says they are coming without seeing anything 5:17; pings minimap to tell us where to gather to meet enemy, despite fact he can't see they about to go up ramp 7:39: pings centre expansion despite no vision of them there
That is sorta iffy, but real evidence is here 9:03- says 'fucking banshee' despite none of us scouting anything (this was before a banshee was even on map, it was just in production) 9:34- my other partner asks 'how do you know'? 9:50- hacker scans EXACTLY where his starport in response to us asking how do you know. Keep in mind he scanned here 50 seconds AFTER saying banshees are on the way
At 10:00 I say cloak is on the way cause I saw it in scan.
Either way I think the banshee business makes it pretty obvious he was map hacking...
Is there a way to get this to blizz? I reported him but dunno if they actually did anything, despite replay proof...they never got back to me.
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On September 19 2011 17:26 Itallion wrote:
I don't know if I can agree completely with this one.
The 2 rax location is suspicious but I've seen even Grandmaster pros like VVVRuff take wild probability chances on his stream with proxy locations. It all comes down to whether the player is willing to cut corners or play safe.
Also throughout the entire replay the terran never even looks at the zerg's base or his army, I guess this could be that camera lock everything is talking about but there's no real point in the game where the terran is frozen into something for an extended period of time.
So I think this is inconclusive at best.
The terran doesnt need to look at the base army, he can see it on the minimap and there's pretty much nothing to fear from a zerg at this time of the game. Also, camera-locking, checking, unlocking can happen in a 1sec windows, not every cheater is a braindead and some will actually not take their time.
It's completely obvious to me, feel free to disagree
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On September 19 2011 22:02 Ryder. wrote:Played with this dude in a team game, he was one of my allies... Was a couple of weeks ago, I forgot about it till now. FORMAT Server: SEA Your Name: Ryder Hacker Name: Sacrum Replay: http://drop.sc/35986Description: 4:42 : says they are coming without seeing anything 5:17; pings minimap to tell us where to gather to meet enemy, despite fact he can't see they about to go up ramp 7:39: pings centre expansion despite no vision of them there That is sorta iffy, but real evidence is here 9:03- says 'fucking banshee' despite none of us scouting anything (this was before a banshee was even on map, it was just in production) 9:34- my other partner asks 'how do you know'? 9:50- hacker scans EXACTLY where his starport in response to us asking how do you know. Keep in mind he scanned here 50 seconds AFTER saying banshees are on the way At 10:00 I say cloak is on the way cause I saw it in scan. Either way I think the banshee business makes it pretty obvious he was map hacking... Is there a way to get this to blizz? I reported him but dunno if they actually did anything, despite replay proof...they never got back to me. Just watched the replay, it's as obvious as it can get. Try to send a ticket via your battle.net Account. https://eu.battle.net/support/de/ticket/submit for EU https://us.battle.net/support/de/ticket/submit for US Make sure to include a link to the replay.
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On September 19 2011 22:02 Ryder. wrote:Played with this dude in a team game, he was one of my allies... Was a couple of weeks ago, I forgot about it till now. FORMAT Server: SEA Your Name: Ryder Hacker Name: Sacrum Replay: http://drop.sc/35986Description: 4:42 : says they are coming without seeing anything 5:17; pings minimap to tell us where to gather to meet enemy, despite fact he can't see they about to go up ramp 7:39: pings centre expansion despite no vision of them there That is sorta iffy, but real evidence is here 9:03- says 'fucking banshee' despite none of us scouting anything (this was before a banshee was even on map, it was just in production) 9:34- my other partner asks 'how do you know'? 9:50- hacker scans EXACTLY where his starport in response to us asking how do you know. Keep in mind he scanned here 50 seconds AFTER saying banshees are on the way At 10:00 I say cloak is on the way cause I saw it in scan. Either way I think the banshee business makes it pretty obvious he was map hacking... Is there a way to get this to blizz? I reported him but dunno if they actually did anything, despite replay proof...they never got back to me.
This one is really obvious.
Just the banshee part alone was a dead give away. w/o scan or anything how could he know about it?
I'd report it or call blizzard about it.
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On September 19 2011 22:41 Protosnake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 17:26 Itallion wrote:
I don't know if I can agree completely with this one.
The 2 rax location is suspicious but I've seen even Grandmaster pros like VVVRuff take wild probability chances on his stream with proxy locations. It all comes down to whether the player is willing to cut corners or play safe.
Also throughout the entire replay the terran never even looks at the zerg's base or his army, I guess this could be that camera lock everything is talking about but there's no real point in the game where the terran is frozen into something for an extended period of time.
So I think this is inconclusive at best. The terran doesnt need to look at the base army, he can see it on the minimap and there's pretty much nothing to fear from a zerg at this time of the game. Also, camera-locking, checking, unlocking can happen in a 1sec windows, not every cheater is a braindead and some will actually not take their time. It's completely obvious to me, feel free to disagree
Good points, but I'm not sure what you mean about minimap looking. Is there like an indicator on hacks that shows different zerg units on the minimap? It could be drones moving around for all we know.
The camera lock thing, I don't know too much about how it works so I'll take your word for it. If it's as fast as you say the terran p could have seen everything coming in I guess
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On September 19 2011 17:27 Itallion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 08:59 PaPoolee wrote:On September 19 2011 08:55 Lanki wrote:Server: AM Your Name: SouperiorOne Hacker Name: Grandmaster Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/13263Description: Maphacking. Very short replay that tells it all. Just look at his vision at the very start of the game and you'll see. Read the PM i sent you, it's not Maphack, it's just a recent bug that was discovered on Tal'darim alter where you could see the position of the zerg without scouting, simply look at the tree behind his mineral line (the one he was looking at in the replay) and if it moves that means the Z is there, if it doesn't then check the other bases! it's not maphack. EDIT: Omg I can't believe ToT was confirmed maphacker, that guy is the #1 in my division, always steals my #1 spot gotta watch out for him now lol. Yeah the top right spot on Taldarim can easily be told if its zerg or not. It was listed on a bug on the blizzard forums
He said this guy didn't map hack but this guy sent a probe 5 seconds into the game WITHOUT Looking at any bases and sends it right to my natural to make proxies. The bug requires you to look at the bases yet this guy doesn't even look at them when he sent the probe at the very start of the game. He sends the probe top left of the map and doesn't even look at the "trees"
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Server:EU Your Name: Despair Hacker Name: Shape Replay: http://drop.sc/36035 and http://drop.sc/36038 Description: Never scouts my base, looks at my base several times through fog of war. Awaits my reaper with 2 zerglings without ever scouting it. Waits for my BFH drop with zerglings without ever scouting it, multiple times. Around ~1min and ~7min notable timestamps, but pretty obvious from the replay that he's maphacking.
Edit: After finding someone else who played vs Shape on ladder aswell, I have attached a second replay
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Bah, I know he's already confirmed, but I will add another replay to his "repertoire" of maphack replays.
Server:NA Your Name: Kitsune Hacker Name: Fedaykin Replay : http://drop.sc/36041 Description: Scouts cross spawn on Tal'darim. Right before my Probe has vision of his probe, he pulls his probe away and makes it look like his probe came from one of the side spawns. Later on, I teched to blink stalkers. He sends his army in his base right when I'm about to blink into his base. I saw he had no robotics facility, so I went Dark Shrine - he then proceeded to make his robotics a few seconds after my Dark Shrine started. At 19:30, he used guardian shield before having vision of my units near my 2nd natural. Shortly afteward, he killed my DTs on the way to his base. Although that's not a proof in itself since it was at his natural ramp, he did move his units toward them and surrounded them before his observer had vision of them. Finished me off when I was spending a bit on economy by setting up my 2nd expansion (with no prior scouting). About the scouting part, he didn't bother scouting once after his failed 4 gates.
This guy is so obviously maphacking, why is he still not banned? T_T
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On September 20 2011 01:31 Lanki wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 17:27 Itallion wrote:On September 19 2011 08:59 PaPoolee wrote:On September 19 2011 08:55 Lanki wrote:Server: AM Your Name: SouperiorOne Hacker Name: Grandmaster Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/13263Description: Maphacking. Very short replay that tells it all. Just look at his vision at the very start of the game and you'll see. Read the PM i sent you, it's not Maphack, it's just a recent bug that was discovered on Tal'darim alter where you could see the position of the zerg without scouting, simply look at the tree behind his mineral line (the one he was looking at in the replay) and if it moves that means the Z is there, if it doesn't then check the other bases! it's not maphack. EDIT: Omg I can't believe ToT was confirmed maphacker, that guy is the #1 in my division, always steals my #1 spot gotta watch out for him now lol. Yeah the top right spot on Taldarim can easily be told if its zerg or not. It was listed on a bug on the blizzard forums He said this guy didn't map hack but this guy sent a probe 5 seconds into the game WITHOUT Looking at any bases and sends it right to my natural to make proxies. The bug requires you to look at the bases yet this guy doesn't even look at them when he sent the probe at the very start of the game. He sends the probe top left of the map and doesn't even look at the "trees"
Isn't this what the camera "lock" feature supposed to do?
Some guy in another hack report mentioned it only takes 1 second to unlock/lock and check bases with the camera lock function.
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Server: EU Your Name: amrojare Hacker Name: OcSAlerion Replay: http://up.servut.us/32663 Description: Even though I happened to win this one pretty convincingly I watched the replay. He spawns as (P) at 6 o'clock in Typhon Peaks. He checks my spawn location almost instantly. He does this couple of more times before even scouting my base.
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Hacker name: Lone Screenshot:
Here's the non-edited screenshot
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On September 21 2011 00:04 amrojare wrote:Server: EU Your Name: amrojare Hacker Name: OcSAlerion Replay: http://up.servut.us/32663Description: Even though I happened to win this one pretty convincingly I watched the replay. He spawns as (P) at 6 o'clock in Typhon Peaks. He checks my spawn location almost instantly. He does this couple of more times before even scouting my base.
Uhh, there is no 6 o clock spawn on typhon.. ?
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Server NA Name - Craziekev Hacker - LeahDizon Replay - http://drop.sc/36728 Description - Weird Hack
Okay so I'm playing like I normally do. Have my control groups set 1 for scout 3 for nexus. I scout him going for a canon rush. I spot his probe and pylon and all hell breaks loose. I had no control of my mouse and keyboard. and then i had all my control groups set to probes and my nexus. I NEVER set those control groups and they appeared out of no where with my mouse clicking everywhere. I've played numerous games before this and one game after, nothing was wrong with my keyboard.
If there is a hack that allows you to take control of you opponents mouse and keyboard, then this guy just did it.
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Server EU hacker: offlineAseK replay: http://drop.sc/36789 description - map hack
This one is really ovious. Cross spawnposition on typhon peaks, he sends one of his starting probes to the right location immediately to build proxy gates. He did never actually check if that was the enemy players position.
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Took a while to find this thread.
FORMAT Server: EU Your Name: Nessaj Hacker Name: Powermonger Hacker Battle.net ID: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/439194/1/Powermonger/ Replay: http://drop.sc/36822 Description: Spawns on Abyssal Caverns I think, he sends out 6-7 scout and directly goes to my base(cross positions) without scouting and just figured I was there and builds two proxy gateways. However he still manages to lose. I watched his PoV several times and he just knew where I spawned. Deffinetly maphack.
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On September 21 2011 03:51 CraShed-Ice wrote:Hacker name: Lone Screenshot: Here's the non-edited screenshot this is proper format Server: Your Name: Hacker Name: Replay : Description
This is really bad evidence as anyone could simply change a contact on their list to any name they want all it would take is a friend willing to make a fake log with you...
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On September 23 2011 03:42 eYeball wrote:Took a while to find this thread. FORMAT Server: EU Your Name: Nessaj Hacker Name: Powermonger Hacker Battle.net ID: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/439194/1/Powermonger/Replay: http://drop.sc/36822Description: Spawns on Abyssal Caverns I think, he sends out 6-7 scout and directly goes to my base(cross positions) without scouting and just figured I was there and builds two proxy gateways. However he still manages to lose. I watched his PoV several times and he just knew where I spawned. Deffinetly maphack.
Im not sure here.. I think he might have just got lucky
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On September 23 2011 10:15 Phatboi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 03:51 CraShed-Ice wrote:Hacker name: Lone Screenshot: Here's the non-edited screenshot this is proper format Server: Your Name: Hacker Name: Replay : Description This is really bad evidence as anyone could simply change a contact on their list to any name they want all it would take is a friend willing to make a fake log with you...
I'm aware of it thanks, and there is alredy 2 replays of him over here I believe. Sharing screen with admin would be an option I guess.
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On September 23 2011 10:15 Phatboi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 03:51 CraShed-Ice wrote:Hacker name: Lone Screenshot: Here's the non-edited screenshot this is proper format Server: Your Name: Hacker Name: Replay : Description This is really bad evidence as anyone could simply change a contact on their list to any name they want all it would take is a friend willing to make a fake log with you...
Uhhhh, while what you said remains true...look at the date of that screenshot. Do you really think he had someone make a fake skype name in May and then almost 5 months later post it on here?
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this is proper format Server: Your Name: Hacker Name: Replay : Description
This is really bad evidence as anyone could simply change a contact on their list to any name they want all it would take is a friend willing to make a fake log with you... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Uhhhh, while what you said remains true...look at the date of that screenshot. Do you really think he had someone make a fake skype name in May and then almost 5 months later post it on here? photoshop is always a possiblity i guess?
EDIT am i aloud to do this?
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all of you guys are using this thread to troll. Use this for what its meant to be used for and follow the rules I wish admins would get on top of things again
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On September 23 2011 11:49 Phatboi wrote: all of you guys are using this thread to troll. Use this for what its meant to be used for and follow the rules I wish admins would get on top of things again
umm isn't this what you're doing right now? I think the mods should just make it a rule to either have posts that contains reports or reviews.
Although I hope probe isn't too busy, haven't seen him in this thread in forever.
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Deleted...quoted myself below /fail
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On September 23 2011 12:39 Perseverance wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 11:46 BobTheLob wrote: this is proper format Server: Your Name: Hacker Name: Replay : Description
This is really bad evidence as anyone could simply change a contact on their list to any name they want all it would take is a friend willing to make a fake log with you... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Uhhhh, while what you said remains true...look at the date of that screenshot. Do you really think he had someone make a fake skype name in May and then almost 5 months later post it on here?
photoshop is always a possiblity i guess? EDIT am i aloud to do this? Good point. I guess it's not really proof. I think the only thing you can really use are replays anyway since everything else can be pretty easy to fake.
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your Name: Lone hacker Name: perseverance description: screen shot evidence
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your Name: Lone hacker Name: perseverance description: screen shot evidence
FORMAT Server: Your Name: Hacker Name: Hacker Battle.net ID: Replay: Description
ffs please just DO IT AS IT SAYS
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On September 23 2011 12:55 Italianstallion wrote:your Name: Lone hacker Name: perseverance description: screen shot evidence
This isn't the format, although the evidence is as real as it gets.. Real name and everything.
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Both of you are hackers. We've known this for a long time. Quit slinging shit in here and go kiss and make up and ruin the community some more you losers.
-levels
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On August 22 2011 21:58 SayaSC wrote: FORMAT Server: NA Your Name: Snowical Hacker Name: RaTZDeezer Replay:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN7q95MZzw0 Description: Obvious drophack/Maphack Also stream cheating.
LOL. I'm sorry, but this is hilarious hahahaha.
Is Deezer known for drophacking? Just wondering.
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Server: EU Your Name: Quagmire Hacker Name: NOSCRUBS Replay: http://drop.sc/37142 Description: Seems just to know what iam up to without ever confirming anything. Iam not 100% sure he was but there was some very dodgy things. As i was building my muta without seeing them he puts up alot of spores. Would like some thoughts on this. Apparently this guy has changed his name recently.
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On September 24 2011 05:04 Quagmire wrote:Server: EU Your Name: Quagmire Hacker Name: NOSCRUBS Replay: http://drop.sc/37142Description: Seems just to know what iam up to without ever confirming anything. Iam not 100% sure he was but there was some very dodgy things. As i was building my muta without seeing them he puts up alot of spores. Would like some thoughts on this. Apparently this guy has changed his name recently.
I'd have to say I don't think there's any evidence that he hacked in that game. The first thing with regards the Muta play I'd note is that he *started* spreading out his Overlords while your Spire was building. He does seem to build Spore's very luckily timed without vision of them but he knows you're on two bases and have Spine Crawler'd up your front which is a typical give away for your build. He also didn't take any other steps to prepare for Mutalisks until after he'd seen them.
Further it's worth noting long after you stop building Mutalisks he's still putting more and more Spore Crawlers down despite already having Infestor's and Hydra's and excellent map vision - he just seems to build a lot of them anyway.
In addition he suffered losses that he should have seen coming if he had a map hack availabl and never once looks through fog of war except for when moving his army to a position which makes sense, or when expanding. He even scouts around at the start with his Queen at his natural to make sure there's no lings or Overlords.
In short, in all honesty I couldn't see anything in this game that would lead me to say he's hacking.
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ok, fair enough, i was looking for opinions, just thought i was a little weird he would throw up so many spores without confirmation. thanks for your input
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Server: NA Your Name: NEEDLEDCK Hacker Name: IEJimRaynor Replay: http://drop.sc/37325 Description: Cross Pos BackWater Gulch, he sends scv directly to the watertower near my base. I thought that maybe the WT saw my scv, but after multiple checkings I confirmed that it didnt. He proceeded to rally his wp from rax directly to my base, and continue on with his rush. Perhaps he got lucky, but for me the rally points just seemed too certain. Ill let you guys decide.
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On September 25 2011 12:44 dinglederper wrote:Server : NA Your Name: Dinglederper Hacker Name: oGsNada, SGTofLuck Description: Screen shot evidence
everyone already knows oGsNada is a hacker..
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On September 25 2011 12:55 Phatboi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 12:44 dinglederper wrote:Server : NA Your Name: Dinglederper Hacker Name: oGsNada, SGTofLuck Description: Screen shot evidence everyone already knows oGsNada is a hacker..
thank you so much for clearing it up. i knew this kid hacked for so long and no1 believed me. thank youuuuuuuu
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its good to see this thread dead, were all doomed from hackers.
User was warned for this post
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and thus the thread was derailed once again USE THE FORMAT and READ THE OP please dont upload screen shots they can be doctored/photoshop'd
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People with "screenshot evidence" who actually think they can prove anything with them are quite stupid. It's super easy to photoshop, even if it isn't shopped, it's way too easy to fake in one way or the other.
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Please do not doom and gloom in this thread. It is neither dead or ignored. Every confirmed hack replay will be sent to Blizzard whether the OP currently reflects it or otherwise.
Don't stir up shit and if you aren't submitting a replay (According for format) or commenting on a properly formatted replay then save your posts for another thread. Images are ignored and users account information will only be taken into consideration upon request of Torenhire, arb or myself. Blizzard can pull account information from replays and do not need it.
As previously said, images can be doctored. Easily. I'm not accusing anyone of falsifying an image but it stands; the only accepted proof are replays.
This is the last warning. If you have a complaint, open up a website feedback thread. This is not the place.
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Has anyone had a run in with nietzsche or their teammate Admiral (may be wrong teammate)? Ive played them twice in 2v2 while watching streams. After I nearly win with DT harass or blink stalkers, I get dropped... That never happens to me... If i get their friend code's I'll link them, but the replays havent saved and I cant find the matches in my history
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Server: NA Your Name: CatInTheHat Hacker Name: FlawlessKalu Replay: http://drop.sc/37449/d Description: Drop hack
I smash his face in with a 4 rax, he gets DTs out and delays me while hiding shit all over the map, he has absolutely no chance of winning, just stalls until his drop hack kicks in.
Not the first time he's done this to me either...
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Server: EU Your Name: Kamari Hacker Name: Duy Replay: http://drop.sc/27547 Description: Maphacking
Cross position on Tal'darim, he send a probe at the very start straight too my base into a corner. Watches my warpgates through the fog at 5:53. Checks on my army at 6:53. At 7:19 makes one zealot and sends it too kill my proxy pylon without knowing it's there. 7:56 warps in a zealot and rallies it straight at my probe outside his base through fog. 8:04 checks on my front of the base through fog. 8:17 he watches my tech again through fog.
I thought at first he just had a lucky scout on his initial probe as I didn't find him on any of the close ones. And when he stopped my first attempt I didn't think much about it since that is a somewhat common place to put down a pylon. But when he sends 4 zealots without scouting my second attempt then I start suspecting. And I grow more suspicious as he manages to always time his drops when my stalkers are gone. And when my probes return after the first storm drop he send the prism righ back.
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On September 22 2011 21:05 Switchy wrote:Server EU hacker: offlineAseK replay: http://drop.sc/36789description - map hack This one is really ovious. Cross spawnposition on typhon peaks, he sends one of his starting probes to the right location immediately to build proxy gates. He did never actually check if that was the enemy players position.
add this one to the list
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Server : EU Your Name : Zystra Hacker name : Gorz Replay : http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=234183 Description : Map Hack (I think)
Absolutely no doubt that this guy is hacking. He started nerd raging at me when I beat him then I told him he couldn't macro then he said "SAYS THE GUY WITH 4K MINERALS ON 2 BASE" and left. He later admitted to cheating in chat after the game.
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On September 25 2011 17:43 Switchy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 21:05 Switchy wrote:Server EU hacker: offlineAseK replay: http://drop.sc/36789description - map hack This one is really ovious. Cross spawnposition on typhon peaks, he sends one of his starting probes to the right location immediately to build proxy gates. He did never actually check if that was the enemy players position. add this one to the list
agree
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On September 25 2011 12:44 dinglederper wrote:Server : NA Your Name: Dinglederper Hacker Name: oGsNada, SGTofLuck Description: Screen shot evidence Are you mad that I told the ESL head deezer plays on your account to steal money from the womens league? Disregard this fake evidence.
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On September 26 2011 08:19 OxfordStarHat wrote:This is not mind btw, I don't want to take credit, it was just on reddit. Server US hacker: Lone http://i.imgur.com/w823D.png
Yeah, he's pretty well known. If any replays pop up I would post them here since he isn't confirmed yet.
On September 25 2011 19:09 Cain0 wrote:Server : EU Your Name : Zystra Hacker name : Gorz Replay : http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=234183Description : Map Hack (I think) Absolutely no doubt that this guy is hacking. He started nerd raging at me when I beat him then I told him he couldn't macro then he said "SAYS THE GUY WITH 4K MINERALS ON 2 BASE" and left. He later admitted to cheating in chat after the game.
I honestly don't see how this guy is hacking. As always you should print screen chatlogs to back up your argument. This guy does literally nothing that would insinuate he was hacking. If someone could double check, I think he's just BM.
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On September 26 2011 08:19 OxfordStarHat wrote:This is not mind btw, I don't want to take credit, it was just on reddit. Server US hacker: Lone http://i.imgur.com/w823D.png
I did a brief google search and this is what I found:
http://i.imgur.com/26Mom.png
Can't be considered "proof" by any means but the valiantchaos hack site post is pretty suspect.
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On September 26 2011 15:09 Darjo wrote:I did a brief google search and this is what I found: http://i.imgur.com/26Mom.pngCan't be considered "proof" by any means but the valiantchaos hack site post is pretty suspect.
And this proves what? Read what Probe wrote a few posts back, unless it's in the official format and a replay is included it doesn't mean anything :/
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On September 26 2011 15:48 Itallion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 15:09 Darjo wrote:On September 26 2011 08:19 OxfordStarHat wrote:This is not mind btw, I don't want to take credit, it was just on reddit. Server US hacker: Lone http://i.imgur.com/w823D.png I did a brief google search and this is what I found: http://i.imgur.com/26Mom.pngCan't be considered "proof" by any means but the valiantchaos hack site post is pretty suspect. And this proves what? Read what Probe wrote a few posts back, unless it's in the official format and a replay is included it doesn't mean anything :/
You sir, are a disgrace :./.
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OP needs to be updated or more people need to be added on here :\
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On September 26 2011 15:54 JediGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 15:48 Itallion wrote:On September 26 2011 15:09 Darjo wrote:On September 26 2011 08:19 OxfordStarHat wrote:This is not mind btw, I don't want to take credit, it was just on reddit. Server US hacker: Lone http://i.imgur.com/w823D.png I did a brief google search and this is what I found: http://i.imgur.com/26Mom.pngCan't be considered "proof" by any means but the valiantchaos hack site post is pretty suspect. And this proves what? Read what Probe wrote a few posts back, unless it's in the official format and a replay is included it doesn't mean anything :/ You sir, are a disgrace :./.
At least I don't tell people to kill themselves over the internet
Go back to raging ambrosia, it's what your best at .
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On September 26 2011 09:13 WWfour wrote:
I honestly don't see how this guy is hacking. As always you should print screen chatlogs to back up your argument. This guy does literally nothing that would insinuate he was hacking. If someone could double check, I think he's just BM.
Note that as soon as my minerals went above 4000, he told me I had 4k minerals.
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Lone hacks for sure, no doubt about it. I am not sure about Deezer because we played them in a 2v2. I will post the replay and the evidence when I get the replay in my hands again (my partner saved it).
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On September 26 2011 15:48 Itallion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 15:09 Darjo wrote:On September 26 2011 08:19 OxfordStarHat wrote:This is not mind btw, I don't want to take credit, it was just on reddit. Server US hacker: Lone http://i.imgur.com/w823D.png I did a brief google search and this is what I found: http://i.imgur.com/26Mom.pngCan't be considered "proof" by any means but the valiantchaos hack site post is pretty suspect. And this proves what? Read what Probe wrote a few posts back, unless it's in the official format and a replay is included it doesn't mean anything :/
Uhm Lone is number #1 GM with 91%+ win Ratio and was in Bronze League last season.
The guys is obvious a Fucking Hacker.. he should be $^#%ing banned.
I wouldn't be surprised if you were actually friends with the guy the way you defend him
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On September 26 2011 16:17 askTeivospy wrote: OP needs to be updated or more people need to be added on here :\
Probe1 and I haven't abandoned ship, just taking a break because of the drama llamas, and we're looking to get things back on track soon. OP will be updated and all that fun stuff, once we get our heads wrapped around things and how we'll do them in the future.
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On September 27 2011 00:12 Cain0 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 09:13 WWfour wrote:
I honestly don't see how this guy is hacking. As always you should print screen chatlogs to back up your argument. This guy does literally nothing that would insinuate he was hacking. If someone could double check, I think he's just BM.
Note that as soon as my minerals went above 4000, he told me I had 4k minerals.
Yeah, it was a little weird but it could've been a lucky guess. If he was hacking, I would imagine he would've been able to prepare for your push a little better.
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Server: EU Your Name: Tal Hacker Name: ImbaGay - http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1840887/1/ImbaGay/ Replay: http://drop.sc/38069 Description: If u watch the replay, its pretty obvious he is using maphack, since if u watch his camera in the replay, he is looking into the fog of war, on my base and kinda "staring" at it for a while. Afterwards he proxies 4rax (ridiculous), and wins without ever scouting my base or seeing any of my units. Also while he is building his barracks, he seems "concerned" about me, moving my overlord closer to his barracks and seeing his proxies. If that wasn't enough he admits in the replay, that he is indeed using maphack. From what I've seen in our game, and in his profile in general, he seems to be a guy, who plays extremely badly and in no way can match the skill level of any master level player I've seen so far. His APM, unit control and multitasking is obviously lacking which made me "accept" the fact that even though he is maphacking, he can still have bad stats like the ones he has. Even though i reported him, i see he is still coming online and playing ladder games which means that blizzard has not yet done anything about it. This is my second report i guess :D
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On September 17 2011 18:45 CroDeadman wrote: Why isn't meh added as a hacker to the EU list.
I've reported him and two more people reported him total of 4 replays which all show the kid is cheating.
I would like to know this too...please add him. he has been confirmed.
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On September 27 2011 03:38 Torenhire wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 16:17 askTeivospy wrote: OP needs to be updated or more people need to be added on here :\ Probe1 and I haven't abandoned ship, just taking a break because of the drama llamas, and we're looking to get things back on track soon. OP will be updated and all that fun stuff, once we get our heads wrapped around things and how we'll do them in the future. sounds reasonable. thread has gone kind of haywire since last update
but ty for update on issues ^>~
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Server: NA Your Name:Mago Hacker Name: CanTheMan OR Tyriel Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/13670 Description:
Theres only one noticable time where I think some form of foul play was used. This is a silver level 2v2.
9:10 - My 2 medivacs load up to drop on the left side of the base.
9:40 - My medivacs begin to move, CanTheMan moves his marines closer to his mineral line.
10:30 - Tyriels Stalkers begin to move twords the left mineral line.
10:40 - Tyriel's Stalkers perfectly stop my medivacs.
I know lucky blind counters happen, but this dosn't look right to me.
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Sidenote, Powermonger and offlineAseK are teammates, what a coincidence seeing both here, played them tonight. Will have a look on the replays of other people and post opinion in a bit in edit.
Edit: No need to question about it, both run directly to correct base, just outside of vision running at edge of cliff, and even direct the gates to produce to worker line. Opinion: Both offlineAseK and Powermonger belong to the list. (PS, my game was custom 2v2, so you might meet them in those too)
Edit2: Looked at own replay, multiple peeks at my FoW by atleast offlineAseK, evo goes down asap when I put down spire.. have a look. Yeah we werent too manner at it, but it felt weird and anoying game... So I decided that I'll sit this through and see how it ends even if it is certain loss.
http://drop.sc/38563 Map: Discord IV My nick: Proberto (EU region) Hacker nick(s): offlineAseK & Powermonger. Hack type: Maphack (multiple peeks to FoW, reactions to teching behind FoW)
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Server: NA Your Name: Hannibal.182 Hacker Name: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2885940/1/brAkeHaRTZ/ Replay: http://drop.sc/38811 Description: @3:00 Base peak @4:39 Looks at my zerglings running accross the map @7:50 Looks at my roaches running accross map @15:30 Base peak @16:40 Bae Peak @17:52 Looks at my Mutas in the back of his base @20:50 Looks at my Army @21:10 Looks at my Army again @22:06 Looks at my Mutas @22:12 Looks at my 2 Zerglings in the Gold Base @22:40 looks at my army @22:48 looks at my lone zergling @23:40 Looks at my corrupters accross map.
It goes on and on... I am happy I beat him. He deserved it.
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I just played in a custom game where I was 'defeated' randomly in the first 2 minutes of the game.
It wasn't the normal 'You have been dropped' that shows up when bnet dc's you, and it wasn't my internet since I was still logged into bnet.
The screen I got was exactly the same as when you lose all your buildings and lose the game. Has that ever happened to anyone? I checked the replay, and it only shows up as me leaving the game. =\
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Server: eu Your Name: DAteDDYOOJO Hacker Name: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/de/profile/983709/1/offlineAseK/ Replay:http://www.file-upload.net/download-3768889/Gruft-der-Nerazim--4-.SC2Replay.html Description:not rly much description needed, 1,5k master toss scouting fog at start, running in my base (4player map) building offgates without even checking once if my base is there. ( he might use other hacks too, he has 6k league games overall..) just saw someone reported this guy 2 post above me :D
edit2: i just saw this guy is reported all over this thread already, funny that blizz doesnt give a fuck
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Server: NA
Your Name: BluE
Hacker Name: Grandmaster
Replay: I have 3 replays as I hit this player 3 times in a row on ladder. Game 1: http://drop.sc/39211 Game 2: http://drop.sc/39212 Game 3: http://drop.sc/39213
Description: Diamond Protoss player looking at my base through the fog of war in all 3 games, especially in game 3. Game 1 he proxy 2 gates inside of my base in cross positions seeing no Command Center or SCVs from his POV. Game 2 he proxy forges and gateways outside of my base immediately in close air positions without seeing an SCV or CC. In game 3 he sends his probe to my base in cross positions immediately again. He then proceeds to proxy stargate and look at my base and units move around the map through the fog of war throughout the entire game.
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On September 30 2011 23:13 Chidium wrote:Server: NA Your Name: BluE Hacker Name: Grandmaster Replay: I have 3 replays as I hit this player 3 times in a row on ladder. Game 1: http://drop.sc/39211 Game 2: http://drop.sc/39212 Game 3: http://drop.sc/39213 Description: Diamond Protoss player looking at my base through the fog of war in all 3 games, especially in game 3. Game 1 he proxy 2 gates inside of my base in cross positions seeing no Command Center or SCVs from his POV. Game 2 he proxy forges and gateways outside of my base immediately in close air positions without seeing an SCV or CC. In game 3 he sends his probe to my base in cross positions immediately again. He then proceeds to proxy stargate and look at my base and units move around the map through the fog of war throughout the entire game.
I reported the guy in this thread not too long ago. Apparently some guy says he isn't hacking, but I say he is clearly hacking.
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The fact that after all this time you guys STILL haven't even put Lone and Deezer on the confirmed list lets me know with absolute certainty that this thread has absolutely no hope of performing any useful service on this forum, and will only continue to devolve as people that are obviously members of the hacking community continue to troll this thread into a massive pile of brain-numbingly retarded shit. You might as well close the thread.
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On October 01 2011 06:27 Clouttt wrote: The fact that after all this time you guys STILL haven't even put Lone and Deezer on the confirmed list lets me know with absolute certainty that this thread has absolutely no hope of performing any useful service on this forum, and will only continue to devolve as people that are obviously members of the hacking community continue to troll this thread into a massive pile of brain-numbingly retarded shit. You might as well close the thread.
Calm down, they already said that they're reassessing how they're going to approach everything
If you want to be mad at anyone, be mad at bllizzard for their joke of antihack system. Not the people who are actually trying to run this shit /roll eyes
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Server: EU Your Name: Happyfool Hacker Name: Shape Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?ovz263zd39ohv99 Description: Protoss proxy 2 gates outside my base, he doesn't scout at all not even after putting up the gates. He just waits for 3 zealots and walks up to *Surprise* find my base. Other notes: He was low low silver with 600 games played last season, and is now high diamond.
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On September 27 2011 02:52 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 15:48 Itallion wrote:On September 26 2011 15:09 Darjo wrote:On September 26 2011 08:19 OxfordStarHat wrote:This is not mind btw, I don't want to take credit, it was just on reddit. Server US hacker: Lone http://i.imgur.com/w823D.png I did a brief google search and this is what I found: http://i.imgur.com/26Mom.pngCan't be considered "proof" by any means but the valiantchaos hack site post is pretty suspect. And this proves what? Read what Probe wrote a few posts back, unless it's in the official format and a replay is included it doesn't mean anything :/ Uhm Lone is number #1 GM with 91%+ win Ratio and was in Bronze League last season. The guys is obvious a Fucking Hacker.. he should be $^#%ing banned. I wouldn't be surprised if you were actually friends with the guy the way you defend him
Currently he is number 12, moved up from 132nd in one week. I have no idea if this is a glitch or a side-effect of his hack if he is using one, but I noticed that it says on the GM page that his favorite race is Protoss and yet when you view his profile it says his most played race is Terran. I still have faith in Blizzard and I am assuming someone is checking him out.
P.S. For all the people who are complaining about people who you think should be banned, just remember that the moderators are taking it cautiously, as they do not want to ban an innocent person.
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^ that race profile page thing isn't really a glitch.
i used to play protoss a lot in custom games and i switched to T when i started laddering, my profile page still shows the protoss image. i think it just depends on what race you tend to pick in all games, not just ladder
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[NEEDS REVIEW]Hacker Name: Lone / RatZDeeZer Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/6T9PgcDescription: Possible Map hacking and or production tab hacking.
I just finished looking at the replay several times. There are two major aspects that I find incriminating. The moment when he builds and cancels his pylon and builds it again to stop the zergling rush and the other time when he sent the stalkers to defend his mineral lines.
Honestly, I don't think that this is enough evidence because the first time, he may just be completing a wall-off and he decided to change his mind so he can later position a zealot there. Then when he saw the zerglings coming, he had to build a pylon.
As for the banshee, he might have anticipated it since he knows that his opponents are Z and T.
Honestly, I don't think this is enough to convict. Maybe he just has very good reaction skills. It is too likely that this is just a bunch of coincidence because coincidences are bound to happen once every so and so games. I don't think his case is strong enough.
As for the people who are using Lone's past bronze league as a justification, there could be several explanations. For one, he has 7000 games. That looks like he played 12 hours a day, nonstop, and gotten really good in a short amount of time. He had a relatively low APM but that could be due to the fact that his economy was hurt early on and he gave up or he didn't have much stuff to do.
All I'm saying is that this is not enough evidence. Coincidences do happen and you can't base strong conclusions off one game. Like they say in law, "if there is a shread of doubt, you cannot convict."
Coincidences are common in everyday life. You see it everyday in the court of law. Honestly, I'm surprised about how little evidence there is.
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Server: NA My Name:Coramoor Other Person name: Grandmaster replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/13983 Description: 10 gates me in my natural on shattered temple, enough said
Fun conversation though if you've got nother better to do
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On October 05 2011 19:39 Coramoor wrote:Server: NA My Name:Coramoor Other Person name: Grandmaster replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/13983Description: 10 gates me in my natural on shattered temple, enough said Fun conversation though if you've got nother better to do
Indeed a rather fun conversation. xD
Onto the game itself, or what is suppose to go for a game of SC2. >.<
- Right at the start of the game he sends a worker to the natural expansion of you without any knowledge of you being there, which can be of course a gamble on his side, but also a maphack.
- Moving on, without scouting with his probe he builds a pylon at your natural while repeatedly looking at your basis through the fog as if he's looking at what you are up too, which has no use in doing if you aren't using a maphack.
- Around the 1 minute mark you send out a scouting probe which he almost directly looks at through the fog as it goes down your ramp to scout the western base, he follows it for a bit through the fog till it's clear your scout is gone south and won't spot his proxy.
- After this there isn't much to say about wheter he hacked or not by his gameplay, though in the conversation he clearly put forth that he didn't consider using some sort of maphack program to be cheating in SC2. It's not a completely clear confession, but really close enough to it to take in serious consideration of him hacking or not.
All in all, he knew where you were right at the start of the game, this combined with the various looks through the fog of war at your base after the proxy pylon went down qualifies in my book as a maphack and not as a gamble on his side. Further more, he clearly follows your scouting probe for a while, proving that he can see through the fog and isn't just gazing randomly at the darkness like it should be. And on top of this comes his almost clear confession about using maphacks later in the game/conversation towards you.
That all put together = cheated in my book, though this is my first review of a replay with possible hacks, so don't count my opinion to heavy here. ^ ^
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On October 01 2011 06:27 Clouttt wrote: The fact that after all this time you guys STILL haven't even put Lone and Deezer on the confirmed list lets me know with absolute certainty that this thread has absolutely no hope of performing any useful service on this forum, and will only continue to devolve as people that are obviously members of the hacking community continue to troll this thread into a massive pile of brain-numbingly retarded shit. You might as well close the thread.
Agreed.
You have high profile people like Protech, whose stream you advertise, calling out known hackers such as Sorcery, and now Lone, with definitive evidence (and an admission) and still both of these players are and have been active on bnet under these same names for the entire life of the game.
These trolls are kids who spend literally 100% of their life on this game and in this community working actively to game the system and cheat other players. There's a real opportunity to make a difference here and yet it's completely corrupted.
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On October 05 2011 14:40 aztrorisk wrote:I just finished looking at the replay several times. There are two major aspects that I find incriminating. The moment when he builds and cancels his pylon and builds it again to stop the zergling rush and the other time when he sent the stalkers to defend his mineral lines. Honestly, I don't think that this is enough evidence because the first time, he may just be completing a wall-off and he decided to change his mind so he can later position a zealot there. Then when he saw the zerglings coming, he had to build a pylon. As for the banshee, he might have anticipated it since he knows that his opponents are Z and T. Honestly, I don't think this is enough to convict. Maybe he just has very good reaction skills. It is too likely that this is just a bunch of coincidence because coincidences are bound to happen once every so and so games. I don't think his case is strong enough. As for the people who are using Lone's past bronze league as a justification, there could be several explanations. For one, he has 7000 games. That looks like he played 12 hours a day, nonstop, and gotten really good in a short amount of time. He had a relatively low APM but that could be due to the fact that his economy was hurt early on and he gave up or he didn't have much stuff to do. All I'm saying is that this is not enough evidence. Coincidences do happen and you can't base strong conclusions off one game. Like they say in law, "if there is a shread of doubt, you cannot convict." Coincidences are common in everyday life. You see it everyday in the court of law. Honestly, I'm surprised about how little evidence there is.
I think you missed the 2nd replay of Lone on the first page of this thread as well. He was put as non hacker cause it was the first replay of him and it seems like it COULD have been coincidence. Then, the 2nd replay came out. TBH, I think there is enough evidence to put him as hacker... but thats not my job.
On October 05 2011 12:52 Peanut Butter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 02:52 XRaDiiX wrote:On September 26 2011 15:48 Itallion wrote:On September 26 2011 15:09 Darjo wrote:On September 26 2011 08:19 OxfordStarHat wrote:This is not mind btw, I don't want to take credit, it was just on reddit. Server US hacker: Lone http://i.imgur.com/w823D.png I did a brief google search and this is what I found: http://i.imgur.com/26Mom.pngCan't be considered "proof" by any means but the valiantchaos hack site post is pretty suspect. And this proves what? Read what Probe wrote a few posts back, unless it's in the official format and a replay is included it doesn't mean anything :/ Uhm Lone is number #1 GM with 91%+ win Ratio and was in Bronze League last season. The guys is obvious a Fucking Hacker.. he should be $^#%ing banned. I wouldn't be surprised if you were actually friends with the guy the way you defend him Currently he is number 12, moved up from 132nd in one week. I have no idea if this is a glitch or a side-effect of his hack if he is using one, but I noticed that it says on the GM page that his favorite race is Protoss and yet when you view his profile it says his most played race is Terran. I still have faith in Blizzard and I am assuming someone is checking him out. P.S. For all the people who are complaining about people who you think should be banned, just remember that the moderators are taking it cautiously, as they do not want to ban an innocent person.
Thats cause he plays a lot of team games as terran, but his 1v1 race is protoss and since he played more teams than solos...
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On September 16 2011 12:31 Itallion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 04:55 J_D wrote:Server: AM Your Name: VoidPrism Hacker Name: Bomi Replay: http://drop.sc/34988Description: Maphacking Proxy 2-gates the correct location on Shakuras Plateau without ever scouting me or even spotting a scouting probe; he sends his probe to the correct location at the very start of the game. When his 2 gateways are building he also makes some semi-suspicious glances at my base that he has never scouted. What makes me unsure though is that with it being Shakuras, theres a 50% chance of getting the right location so maybe he was just willing to take the coinflip. Just watched this replay, this is obvious.
Server: NA Your Name:YueY cc 930 Hacker Name: Bomi Replay: http://drop.sc/40935 Description: Yeah he did the same thing to me but on crypt so of course a 4 player map, I know this topic said proxying the right location shouldn't be used as evidence but I figured since somebody already posted about this player that deals with the exact same thing then perhaps it has more merit.
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Please do not post and not post a replay or your account. That has 0 credibility. If you want anonymity please send the report to TL Anti Hack.
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this thread doesnt matter at all so who gives a damn
User was temp banned for this post.
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Server: EU Your Name: MXfive Hacker Name: Tiger Replay: http://drop.sc/41242 Description: 6:35 Looking at my main (no vision), exactly where my stargate and phoenix are, and immediately moves marines to his mineral line. Then at 6:43 looking as moving units to my natural (again no vision).
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Server: US Your Name: Xtkq Hacker Name: cZaCbass Replay: http://www.2shared.com/file/mqre_9QF/Xtkq_v_cZaCbass.html Description: I recall playing this guy a really long time ago and he sucked, so I guess he finally decided to download a maphack. He's currently rank Rank 8 in GM and he wasn't that high awhile ago.
High points in rep: 6:00 for no reason whatsoever randomly attack moves the bottom right of his base, he instantly reacts to killing the pylons. 10:11 engineering bay for no reason 10:47 turret for no reason 10:58 instant scan as soon as i go up ramp, no delay what so ever
it's not really conclusive but im sure if any other GMs here have qued into this guy I would suggest reviewing the rep, I also got the stupid border (which isn't proof.. but weird). this guy played really strangely, the one thing that convinced me is the random A move into the bottom right of my base, he didn't even scout DTs when he had a hidden scv in my base.
just a warning
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Server: NA Your Name: Kyrth Hacker Name: pingon, http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2143946/1/pingon/ Replay: pingon maphack, http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/14038 Description: pingon sees my rush before it arrives (2:44), this is obvious not only because he looks at it in the fog of war, but because he publicly declares I'm rushing (2:48) before I show up on his radar, and where my base is (2:52) without scouting. Also, he proceeds to lag the game after he dies just out of spite, after saying that he was about to do so (4:41). This is actually proven by his not leaving the game when he dies so that the lag can stay, just as he foretold he would do. Stupid.
edit: just noticed he's already confirmed here...
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On October 07 2011 08:14 Probe1 wrote: Please do not post and not post a replay or your account. That has 0 credibility. If you want anonymity please send the report to TL Anti Hack.
And who is that... I offered to send to Admins/mods of Teamliquid and if I don't have credibility here, then I don't care and enjoy playing against hackers :o!
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If it is something exceedingly sensitive you can PM me. Otherwise, please follow the format.
FORMAT Server: NA/EU/SEA/KR Your Name: Hacker Name: Provide a Bnet link if possible. Replay: PLEASE NAME YOUR REPLAY "hackername maphack" Description: The more descriptive you are here, the better, please provide timestamps if at all possible.
Reports that do not follow format will most likely be ignored.
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Well, as I do not know who you are... ignore my post :-)! Or PM Kennigit to watch my replay I send him~
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Server: NA Your Name: ilovecheese Hacker Name: Snod Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?562f9gg16fwmidi Description: No scouting. Hides a probe in my base for proxy pylon on Tal Darim.
3.35 my probe is idling outside his base after scouting. He clicks on fog of war to see what I am doing.
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Server: EU Your Name : STAL Hacker Name : Abodon Replay : http://drop.sc/42521 Description:
10:35 - moves away from hydra's he cant see with phoenix 11:40 - pulls probes to nydus he can't see 12:25 - after the above, he immediately goes to the middle of the map where my 2nd nydus is
note: This guy did probe scout, but i suspect that was decrease suspicion
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Server: US Your Name : Monster Hacker Name : Grandmaster (Irony right?) Replay : http://drop.sc/42731
Pretty obvious, looks at my base while asking me what race i am. Proxy Gateways in my base on taldarim.
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Server: EU My Name: Tppz Hacker Name: Kisel Description: Drop hack
As soon as the game started my starcraft 2 crashed. I restarted SC2 and started to talk to my opponent. He said he didnt care. I looked at his Match History andjust he won another game after this under 1 minute.
I checked some more of his 1on1 Laddergames. nearly 50% of his games end in the first 5 minutes. Sometimes he wins with very low army value agaisnt a high army value
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Guys, I have just encountered a very strange game. I spawned random terran and u know what. This guy never scouts, preemptively places 6 spores without knowing if I am going to drop and so on.
Now if this guy would have been a Bronze player I would have said: Okay, he doesnt know what he is doing. But he is... high master.
What do you think? Does he cheat? I am the terran and won anyway.
http://drop.sc/43205
He has a statistics of 484 to 418... which confuses me a lot when watching his playstyle. He opens 10 pool (kinda wanting to rush, but i immediately wall-off). He then drones up.... only drones. I am confused.
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Server: EU Your Name: FightForFun Hacker Name: iceDragon ( http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2147888/1/iceDragon/ ) Replay: http://drop.sc/43210 Description: He's in the Masterleague and is obviously maphacking, building offgates in my base without any scouting or seeing that i am exactly there... obvious things are obvious !
Edit : LOL, just saw the post above me, thanks to that ! :D
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On October 11 2011 22:37 Gigaschatten wrote:Guys, I have just encountered a very strange game. I spawned random terran and u know what. This guy never scouts, preemptively places 6 spores without knowing if I am going to drop and so on. Now if this guy would have been a Bronze player I would have said: Okay, he doesnt know what he is doing. But he is... high master. What do you think? Does he cheat? I am the terran and won anyway. http://drop.sc/43205He has a statistics of 484 to 418... which confuses me a lot when watching his playstyle. He opens 10 pool (kinda wanting to rush, but i immediately wall-off). He then drones up.... only drones. I am confused. Re-read the OP.
Opening 10p v Random is pretty standard, 'cause you're very safe vs most rushes, and you can wrestly some map control from whichever foe you face. He sees your terran, and with his safety, drones up.
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Server: All Your Name: Protoss Hacker Name:Terran Replay: http://www.blizzard.com Description: This guy just never loses. He has these things called ghost that just use some hack and then my entire army is dead. If you are playing ladder make sure u avoid any terrans or you will lose!!!
User was warned for this post
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On October 13 2011 13:47 Srule wrote:Server: All Your Name: Protoss Hacker Name:Terran Replay: http://www.blizzard.comDescription: This guy just never loses. He has these things called ghost that just use some hack and then my entire army is dead. If you are playing ladder make sure u avoid any terrans or you will lose!!!
lololololol, be patient fam, soon more patches will come and heart of swarm will come, don't switch races and give up, everyone knows the ghost will soon get worked on.
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Server: EU Your Name: exkid (account game was on |||||||||||) Hacker Name: freezero Replay: http://sc2rep.com/replays/download?id=14373
Description:
General: Two weird periods of 0 apm and fixed camera position suggesting "locking out camera" while he's actually looking at my base??
Early game is very good at hiding hack but: Ridiculous over preparation for BFH, 3 spines, roaches and queen block when he hasn't scouted where my base even is.
Tenuous: 12mins, cancel of 6 o clock hatch (VERY small blip on his minimap for drop, very hard to see) suggests maybe saw hellion coming to scout or saw the drop more than was actually on his mini map.
Becomes more obvious as game goes on and he's losing.
15:30 and 16:30 He navigates around turrets in base with muta's 17:30 Sends muta's directly in position thru fog to kill turret in 3rd which is unscouted. 18:00 Stares into my natural before deciding not to attack. 18:30 Quickly jumps to move his army and out of position as he can see thru the fog that I'm moving out.
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Server: EU Your name: Kerem Hacker name: xxl Replay: http://drop.sc/44490
Description: Very obvious map hack. He's just in the middle of nowhere and his camera doesn't move a bit. while he anticipated his unit production everytime before I was entering his base.
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Server: NA Your Name: VoidRH Hacker Name: GGMiz Replay: http://drop.sc/44544
Description: He knows my army position through the fog. After he attacks he checks my saturation once or twice. He tried not to make it too obvious, and honestly I didn't suspect anything. I watched the replay just for review. I find it strange because he was pretty nice, but his camera movement is suspicious.
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Server: NA Your Name: Ayamis Hacker Name: PinksniperXX Replay: http://drop.sc/44547 Description: At 18:20 He preformed 300 APM roach burrow micro during the fight, while never actually targeting his roaches, only targeting his corruptors during the fight. Obvious Burrow micro hack.
Also suspicious of map hack, but I don't have any evidence to confirm
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On September 18 2011 05:46 TiK wrote:Server:EU Your Name: TiKoz Hacker Name: ShOOtEmUpXCI Replay: "ShOOtEmUpXCI maphack" http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/13201Description: No scout during all game, when i prod a lot of gling in the beginning, i close his wall and build more gates and cannons in the wall. His voidray has the orden of 'attack' in my baneling hidden in the fog of war (he clicks exactly in their position), his phoenix moves weirdly to an overlord in a position where you don't think there is an over. His voidray goes in my B3 natural where my glings are destroying the rock (at this moment he doesn't know where i'am in the map so it's very strange)
its NOT TRUE!!!!!! my account was hacked on this weekend and i wasn´t at home! I changed my password, and authenticator added. Excuse me for this!
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On October 14 2011 21:36 ShOOtEmUpXCI wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 05:46 TiK wrote:Server:EU Your Name: TiKoz Hacker Name: ShOOtEmUpXCI Replay: "ShOOtEmUpXCI maphack" http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/13201Description: No scout during all game, when i prod a lot of gling in the beginning, i close his wall and build more gates and cannons in the wall. His voidray has the orden of 'attack' in my baneling hidden in the fog of war (he clicks exactly in their position), his phoenix moves weirdly to an overlord in a position where you don't think there is an over. His voidray goes in my B3 natural where my glings are destroying the rock (at this moment he doesn't know where i'am in the map so it's very strange) its NOT TRUE!!!!!! my account was hacked on this weekend and i wasn´t at home! I changed my password, and authenticator added. Excuse me for this!
someone hacked your account to win you games? o.O
I Watched the replay it does look suspicious, but i wasn't entirely sure could have been just coincidence i guess, then i saw the post, and i cannot imagine someone would hack an account to win games for them, that doesnt make sense, so i re looked at the replay, and on second look it is a very suspicious game, that does have a lot of trademarks of map hacking
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On October 15 2011 00:06 srs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 21:36 ShOOtEmUpXCI wrote:On September 18 2011 05:46 TiK wrote:Server:EU Your Name: TiKoz Hacker Name: ShOOtEmUpXCI Replay: "ShOOtEmUpXCI maphack" http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/13201Description: No scout during all game, when i prod a lot of gling in the beginning, i close his wall and build more gates and cannons in the wall. His voidray has the orden of 'attack' in my baneling hidden in the fog of war (he clicks exactly in their position), his phoenix moves weirdly to an overlord in a position where you don't think there is an over. His voidray goes in my B3 natural where my glings are destroying the rock (at this moment he doesn't know where i'am in the map so it's very strange) its NOT TRUE!!!!!! my account was hacked on this weekend and i wasn´t at home! I changed my password, and authenticator added. Excuse me for this! someone hacked your account to win you games? o.O I Watched the replay it does look suspicious, but i wasn't entirely sure could have been just coincidence i guess, then i saw the post, and i cannot imagine someone would hack an account to win games for them, that doesnt make sense, so i re looked at the replay, and on second look it is a very suspicious game, that does have a lot of trademarks of map hacking
Someone play games and do some shit with my acc! using the hack was not the only shit! i have get an email from blizzard:
Account: ***************************** Datum des Verstoßes: 18/9/2011 Art des Vergehens: Uangemessene Sprache Betroffene(r) Charaktername(n): shOOtEmUpXCI Maßnahme: Account verwarnt
and it is no coincidence that this email came in this weekend where the maphack was used.I've written with blizzard and they say it was accessed from a different ip but for them it is not a vicious pass.
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On October 14 2011 19:27 Ayamis wrote:Server: NA Your Name: Ayamis Hacker Name: PinksniperXX Replay: http://drop.sc/44547Description: At 18:20 He preformed 300 APM roach burrow micro during the fight, while never actually targeting his roaches, only targeting his corruptors during the fight. Obvious Burrow micro hack. Also suspicious of map hack, but I don't have any evidence to confirm
I watched the entire game at faster speed.
I saw no sign of maphack. Except maybe at 13.50 where he unburrows his anti-expo ling to attack a pylon he didn't see warping. But this is really weak evidence.
In the other hand, the burrow hack seems really clear to me. he isn't targeting anything while the roaches are burrowing when under 25 health.
It needs more views to confirm it though.
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Server: NA Your Name: String Hacker Name: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2137429/1/Colour/ Replay: http://topreplays.com/Replays/Details/8989/String_vs_Colour Description: This is a rather blatant case of map hacking (upon watching the replay from the player's camera) and what I believe to be a tie hack at the end of the game. The tie hack (de sync) and score screen error which conveniently occurs after I roll his army and he rages at me, is what lead me to believe he might have been using hacks. To my dismay upon review of the replay he is no doubt using a map hack, as for the tie hack, it is clear from his match history that he isn't using it very often... I get the notion that he did not want his opponent knowing he was hacking...
Some details; from the start of the game he is browsing my base through fog of war (3:45) while never once bothering to scout. At (5:28) he clicks on the location of my 1st reaper sent to harass through fog and commands units to the location, again at (6:46) he blatantly clicks on the location of my reapers heading to his base through fog and reacts according. At (7:49) he is browsing the location of my base through fog, and again at (8:40), (9:47), and (12:18) .Now at (13:20) he moves out across the map directly to my base with out scouting, flies in at (14:25) to snipe a medivac and proceeds to my 3rd base, which along with the rest of my base is still completely under the fog. Now, at this point I will mention the game is ~47 min. long... and this behavior continues the rest of the match. Right up until the end when I roll his army, he rages at me in chat, and then shortly there after I am conveniently de synced and receive an error on the score screen. You will notice you can't view score screen at the end of the replay.
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On October 15 2011 05:09 Stringy wrote:Server: NA Your Name: String Hacker Name: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2137429/1/Colour/Replay: http://topreplays.com/Replays/Details/8989/String_vs_ColourDescription: This is a rather blatant case of map hacking (upon watching the replay from the player's camera) and what I believe to be a tie hack at the end of the game. The tie hack (de sync) and score screen error which conveniently occurs after I roll his army and he rages at me, is what lead me to believe he might have been using hacks. To my dismay upon review of the replay he is no doubt using a map hack, as for the tie hack, it is clear from his match history that he isn't using it very often... I get the notion that he did not want his opponent knowing he was hacking... Some details; from the start of the game he is browsing my base through fog of war (3:45) while never once bothering to scout. At (5:28) he clicks on the location of my 1st reaper sent to harass through fog and commands units to the location, again at (6:46) he blatantly clicks on the location of my reapers heading to his base through fog and reacts according. At (7:49) he is browsing the location of my base through fog, and again at (8:40), (9:47), and (12:18) .Now at (13:20) he moves out across the map directly to my base with out scouting, flies in at (14:25) to snipe a medivac and proceeds to my 3rd base, which along with the rest of my base is still completely under the fog. Now, at this point I will mention the game is ~47 min. long... and this behavior continues the rest of the match. Right up until the end when I roll his army, he rages at me in chat, and then shortly there after I am conveniently de synced and receive an error on the score screen. You will notice you can't view score screen at the end of the replay.
Replay checked. 100% Maphack.
additional : you said "he blatantly clicks on the location of my reapers heading to his base through fog and reacts according" I would add " and fails anyway"...
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Server: EU Your name: Faithinchaos Hacker name:Korbendallas replay:http://replayfu.com/r/FNg7Zg
Description: I'm convinced Korben uses a maphack, aside from some minor details (doesn't send any overlord to scout, knows the placement of my gateway before seing it @5mn) one of his moves just made it obvious. @15mn: he reacts to my army moving out and centers his camera on my units directly through fog of war, his army is sent to intercept mine and several commands are issued through FOW.
The worst part of this is I probably wouldn't have seen his blatent use of maphack if he himself hadn't flamed me right after the game calling ME a maphacker... I was offended and decided to check the replay to see what made him think that when I saw the move at 15mn and burst out laughing.
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Server: NA Your name: Nineteen Hackername: SGTofLuck Replay: http://topreplays.com/Replays/Details/9000/Nineteen_vs_SGTofLuck It's time to finally add this guy to the list guys, SGTofluck has been accused several times and there's an extremely good reason for that -- he doesnt scout.
To make it short: he opens gasless fe with terran and doesn't have any form of scouting. This is very odd as gasless fe is the riskiest build a terran can do at the moment, and toss is a race with several different all ins.
If it makes any difference I'm also a GM player from season 2/3
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Server: EU Your Name: Shade Hacker Name: trPDeath ( http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1359442/1/trPDeath/ ) Replay: http://fr.twitch.tv/shade_cst/b/297831814 Game starting at 1:26:00 dropped at 1:37:00~ Description: The game started with some trash-talk from both sides. I defended his almost all-in push then I macro-ed heavily after this. Then I asked "BL or Ultra ?" he scanned my expands/bases; he saw he lost and I got "dropped".
IT'S NOT A GAME CRASH/COMPUTER ISSUE There are drop-hacks that makes the game "freeze" until you are considered as disconnected. It happened to me once in the past, but back then, the game "un-freezed" and I was able to save the replay; even the replay reproduced the Starcraft 2 crash for others people. This time I couldn't get the replay.
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On October 17 2011 08:10 NineteenSC2 wrote:
Server: NA Your name: Nineteen Hackername: SGTofLuck Replay: http://topreplays.com/Replays/Details/9000/Nineteen_vs_SGTofLuck It's time to finally add this guy to the list guys, SGTofluck has been accused several times and there's an extremely good reason for that -- he doesnt scout.
To make it short: he opens gasless fe with terran and doesn't have any form of scouting. This is very odd as gasless fe is the riskiest build a terran can do at the moment, and toss is a race with several different all ins.
If it makes any difference I'm also a GM player from season 2/3
Is that all the info you have, the fact that he gasless FE'd against you? Or is there more in that replay I should be looking for?
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Ugh I'll use my 4k to say that the crazy "NO U HACKED" drama is finally out of the thread, and I'll get back to watching and updating. Season 4 is starting soon anyways (I think?) so we've got to get things updated.
Thanks for the patience and sorry for the long time of absence...
To quote the SCV - "Big Job, huh?"
yes, yes it is.
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Just came across a really blatant maphacker on the 2v2 ladder, he told me where the opponent was and even said he was using an 'addon' when I asked him how he knew. Here's the full replay and some other points that I noticed where it seems highly likely he was maphacking.
Server: SEA Your Name: XenoX Hacker Name: Sacrum ( http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/212270/1/Sacrum/ ) Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/W4vLgg Description: @0:08 - Looks in fog of war at and rallies hatchery to opponent's base on 8 player map (knew where the opponent was) @1:20 - Pings opponent base to tell me where he is @1:40 - Tells me he knows because of an 'addon' @4:50 - Is about to push with more zerglings, but looks in fog of war while cannons are being built and retreats, never scouted cannons being built @7:40 - Looks in fog of war at red's barracks then pans to his marines @8:45 - Looks in fog of war at probe moving to build a pylon near bottom watchtower and sends lings to intercept @9:25 - Looks in fog of war at red's marines at the watchtower @10:00 - Sends his army to the bottom watchtower flanking red's marines without ever scouting them
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Server: NA Your Name: RaiNKhAN Hacker Name: illfingas Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/file/u35jc24hpdbczgn/hacker.SC2Replay Description:
The guy went directly to my natural without scouting anywhere and proxy'ed 2 gates outside my base as if he does this every game with not a care in the world. I actually thought I lost legitimately too and typed gg. The guy typed 'gl hf' back to me after pausing for like 6 seconds which tells me he knew he was being a scumbag. Anyways hopefully you guys view this and out this piece of shit
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Server: EU Your Name: Alexbeav Hacker Name: Abodon http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/438155/2/Abodon/ Replay: http://drop.sc/46751 Description:
At 0:37" he clicks to scout left, then immediately switches to scout right, as if he was absent-minded. He only scouts my CC and pulls the scout back to the base.
He does a quick scan of my base (through the fog of war) at 2:19-2:22, and decides to stick with 4 zerglins and throw down a roach warren.
Peeks at 2:49-2:53, 4:01-4:05, 4:40-4:42, 5:19-5:21.
6:21, caught red-handed looking at my incoming reapers. Seriously, a plat player has the micro and calmness to cancel his creep expansion ? lol ! 7:06, sees the last reaper return to base.
7:27, having seen the starports + TL on fac, he throws down a spire.
I don't think I need to say much more, replay speaks for itself.
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Server: NA Your Name: Legend Hacker Name: 2 of them! PanzerElite (Terran) and his teammate Terry (Protoss) PanzerElite: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3102268/1/PanzerElite/ Terry: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1703250/1/Terry/ Replay: http://drop.sc/46799 Description: Myself and my friend are playing 2v2. Both opponents commonly and blatantly fog of war hack to see what we are doing. Terry starts around 3:30 into the demo looking at our bases and continues to do so quite frequently. PanzerElite does as soon as I start my banshee production. After about 4-5 peaks at what I'm doing, he finally scans, directly on top of the Starport.
Best part: i move 3 banshees out to his newly landed base, where he instantly pre-lifts and negates what i can do. He then moves the CC away, then back, but sure to avoid the marine standing at the landing pad.
Super blatant though.
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I beat this dude pretty easily the one time I played him, I'll watch that rep to see if he was being fishy or not
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I have a question, I just played a really blatant maphacker, he stopped my marine scv allin by building 2 bunkers ridiculously early despite scouting nothing. He also pulled scvs to repair the bunkers before having any vision of the attack, which is pretty much as obvious as you can get. But is there any reason to go through the effort of uploading the replay here? I've already reported him ingame, and it seems like having him on a list on TL isn't going to do anything. basically I'm asking what is the point of this thread, does blizzard ban from it? It doesn't seem like they do seeing as one of the guys on the list has gone a whole season without being banned(says he was confirmed in season 2 also).
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Server: NA Your Name: TropicalBob Hacker Name: GreatfOu (http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2745602/1/GreatfOu/) Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/1r28hm Description: Possible production tab hack. After some not-so-witty-banter, the following caught my attention: @2:25 - Right as I plant a 15-Hatch, he says "THINK THAT HARD FAST EXP". @4:20 - 2 Queens in production, "MAKE 2 QUEEN NOW". @4:34 - 2 pairs of Lings finish, "AND MAX 2 LING". @4:39 - Resume Droning, "NOW MAKE DRONE".
Replay is also somehow corrupted so that SC2Gears can't analyze it in any way.
It could all be just a coincidence or an educated guess, but I feel like it's better safe than sorry to get it out there in case someone else encounters him.
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On October 25 2011 05:35 Tropical Bob wrote:Server: NA Your Name: TropicalBob Hacker Name: GreatfOu ( http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2745602/1/GreatfOu/) Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/1r28hmDescription: Possible production tab hack. After some not-so-witty-banter, the following caught my attention: @2:25 - Right as I plant a 15-Hatch, he says "THINK THAT HARD FAST EXP". @4:20 - 2 Queens in production, "MAKE 2 QUEEN NOW". @4:34 - 2 pairs of Lings finish, "AND MAX 2 LING". @4:39 - Resume Droning, "NOW MAKE DRONE". Replay is also somehow corrupted so that SC2Gears can't analyze it in any way. It could all be just a coincidence or an educated guess, but I feel like it's better safe than sorry to get it out there in case someone else encounters him.
A more recent released hack is known to corrupt replays for both the hacker and every other player, even if they are NOT using it.
It's definitively a map hack. I had a beautiful come-back win and can't even check my statistical data from it.....
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On October 25 2011 06:51 stevarius wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2011 05:35 Tropical Bob wrote:Server: NA Your Name: TropicalBob Hacker Name: GreatfOu ( http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2745602/1/GreatfOu/) Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/1r28hmDescription: Possible production tab hack. After some not-so-witty-banter, the following caught my attention: @2:25 - Right as I plant a 15-Hatch, he says "THINK THAT HARD FAST EXP". @4:20 - 2 Queens in production, "MAKE 2 QUEEN NOW". @4:34 - 2 pairs of Lings finish, "AND MAX 2 LING". @4:39 - Resume Droning, "NOW MAKE DRONE". Replay is also somehow corrupted so that SC2Gears can't analyze it in any way. It could all be just a coincidence or an educated guess, but I feel like it's better safe than sorry to get it out there in case someone else encounters him. A more recent released hack is known to corrupt replays for both the hacker and every other player, even if they are NOT using it. It's definitively a map hack. I had a beautiful come-back win and can't even check my statistical data from it..... Thing is that he wasn't checking my base while I was in his player cam, so unless he also had a vision lock hack that I think I heard about once, it couldn't be that.
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On October 25 2011 15:33 Tropical Bob wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2011 06:51 stevarius wrote:On October 25 2011 05:35 Tropical Bob wrote:Server: NA Your Name: TropicalBob Hacker Name: GreatfOu ( http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2745602/1/GreatfOu/) Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/1r28hmDescription: Possible production tab hack. After some not-so-witty-banter, the following caught my attention: @2:25 - Right as I plant a 15-Hatch, he says "THINK THAT HARD FAST EXP". @4:20 - 2 Queens in production, "MAKE 2 QUEEN NOW". @4:34 - 2 pairs of Lings finish, "AND MAX 2 LING". @4:39 - Resume Droning, "NOW MAKE DRONE". Replay is also somehow corrupted so that SC2Gears can't analyze it in any way. It could all be just a coincidence or an educated guess, but I feel like it's better safe than sorry to get it out there in case someone else encounters him. A more recent released hack is known to corrupt replays for both the hacker and every other player, even if they are NOT using it. It's definitively a map hack. I had a beautiful come-back win and can't even check my statistical data from it..... Thing is that he wasn't checking my base while I was in his player cam, so unless he also had a vision lock hack that I think I heard about once, it couldn't be that.
It does incorporate this feature. It might also be why the replay data is being corrupted in some manner, but that's only my speculation.
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Server: EU Your Name: Nemesis Hacker Name: THEDOUNAT Replay: [url blocked]
Description I get a defeat but none of my buildings were destroyed, the replay itself is sick as it lasts only 2:29. I said to the guy I was reporting him , (it wasn't a smart move now that I think about it , as he will likely stop using it for a while than begin again using it)
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On September 04 2011 07:55 david.oh.k wrote:Server: US Your Name: reAcTioN Hacker Name: llKenZyll Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?u9tdmq6j7yvibjrDescription: only thing i see is that he never selects his queens to inject in this game. several times, he would be doing something, not looking at queens and not selecting them when he injects. watch replay and put vision on him and selections. look at before he needs to inject and like 10 seconds later, he never selects the queen. why do u remove the replay? accusing someone of hacking is serious and if ur legit about it there should be no reason to delete ur replay... IMO this is just as bad and u should be banned if ur falsely accusing someone.
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So are you guys going to make the TL hacker database for two seasons now since the seasons are so short (Ex. TL Hacker Database season 4/5) or are you just going to keep doing one season at a time?
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On October 24 2011 20:40 Disquiet wrote: I have a question, I just played a really blatant maphacker, he stopped my marine scv allin by building 2 bunkers ridiculously early despite scouting nothing. He also pulled scvs to repair the bunkers before having any vision of the attack, which is pretty much as obvious as you can get. But is there any reason to go through the effort of uploading the replay here? I've already reported him ingame, and it seems like having him on a list on TL isn't going to do anything. basically I'm asking what is the point of this thread, does blizzard ban from it? It doesn't seem like they do seeing as one of the guys on the list has gone a whole season without being banned(says he was confirmed in season 2 also).
There is no harm in doing it here, as TL submits all these names to Blizzard at the end of the month. If it gets on this list I believe it is more likely something will happen, as there are quite a few people who abuse the Report feature in SC2, wereas here they are checked before they are submitted. And use ze format!
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Sever: NA Your Name: FabIntegral.581 Hacker's Name: envySora Replay: http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=238409
Played this game, opponent was clearly a maphacker. Never scouted, but went 1 base roach and held roaches on the ramp vs my bane attack. Used the vision to tell lings to attack my banelings despite it being under fog of war (ling movement followed where the banelings were moving despite no vision). Repeated looking at my base, when I started my spire he had no vision and called out "nice spire" after looking at the exact point where I started my spire. In short, it's most likely a trial account as he made it quite obvious he was hacking, I believe.
Quite the badmannered asshat at ahat. Just checked him on SC2ranks.com, looks like it might be a trial account.
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Server: NA Name: Jugan Hacker's Name: MnMNelson Replay: http://drop.sc/49644
MnMNelson never moves his camera at all in this entire game, yet is able to control units and buildings that are nowhere near his camera. Blatent camera locking that the hacker forgets to turn off.
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Server: EU Name: Laez Hacker's Name: Boomer Replay: [url blocked]
Boomer looks at my base and army through the fog of war multiple times. Its 4 player map, he never scouted.
timestamps of interest: 0:39: looks at my base without given orders 1:09: same thing 1:32: again 2:04: again... 2:18... again...
I could go on, and if you are not convinced now, it happens a lot more during the rest of the game. Once i started to attack he also checked my army movement through the fog of war. He's a hacker and not a very good one at that. I messaged him to ask why he hacked, but he only speaks russian :/
I still won though xD
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Server: EU Name: Romashki Hacker's Name: sYnDeadline Replay: http://drop.sc/49739
Points: 03:58 fog 06:33 fog 08:13 fog 10:39 fog 10:53 LOL 12:10 fog 12:30 fog 17:40 fog 17:59 fog 22:10 fog 27:37 well..thats not even funny.
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On October 28 2011 02:06 zergporn wrote:Server: EU Name: Romashki Hacker's Name: sYnDeadline Replay: http://drop.sc/49739Points: 03:58 fog 06:33 fog 08:13 fog 10:39 fog 10:53 LOL 12:10 fog 12:30 fog 17:40 fog 17:59 fog 22:10 fog 27:37 well..thats not even funny.
Some of the times you mention he does look into your fog to see what you had, but that does not mean he hacked. I fact, none of those times did he ever react to what he would have seen, only to what he had legit vision of. He seemed unaware of your third, he moved his unseiged tanks into your army or did not seige in time multiple times. His reaction to the nydas also is strong evidence against hacking. He never seems to see them coming and it lost him the game.
On the other hand, even though he didnt seem to react to it, there are times when he fog scouts and it seems really weird and to no purpose. The problem is he was really terrible, so its hard to make such judgments.
It seems unreasonable to think he was hacking, though its possible.
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On October 28 2011 04:46 treekiller wrote: The problem is he was really terrible, so its hard to make such judgments.
It seems unreasonable to think he was hacking, though its possible. Thats main argument for hack actually, i play high-masters and he is master as well. I played thousands games and i know what master terran is. This one however was completely off when game went to somewhat more advanced state, state where maphack is essentially useless, he was just lost
And id never report just fog looks, main points are marked. 10:20-10:40 that scv pull off combined with fog look and the very last second.. come on, he has thors raping last muta he sees, yet he looks to my rally point and ggs having 5k minerals.
Anyways i was pretty sure this is in fact clear MH, otherwise id wouldnt report. And if someone else reports it as false or suspicious il delete original post, sorry.
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On October 25 2011 15:33 Tropical Bob wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2011 06:51 stevarius wrote:On October 25 2011 05:35 Tropical Bob wrote:Server: NA Your Name: TropicalBob Hacker Name: GreatfOu ( http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2745602/1/GreatfOu/) Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/1r28hmDescription: Possible production tab hack. After some not-so-witty-banter, the following caught my attention: @2:25 - Right as I plant a 15-Hatch, he says "THINK THAT HARD FAST EXP". @4:20 - 2 Queens in production, "MAKE 2 QUEEN NOW". @4:34 - 2 pairs of Lings finish, "AND MAX 2 LING". @4:39 - Resume Droning, "NOW MAKE DRONE". Replay is also somehow corrupted so that SC2Gears can't analyze it in any way. It could all be just a coincidence or an educated guess, but I feel like it's better safe than sorry to get it out there in case someone else encounters him. A more recent released hack is known to corrupt replays for both the hacker and every other player, even if they are NOT using it. It's definitively a map hack. I had a beautiful come-back win and can't even check my statistical data from it..... Thing is that he wasn't checking my base while I was in his player cam, so unless he also had a vision lock hack that I think I heard about once, it couldn't be that.
GreatFou plays on another dude's account by the name "WeekendFou" and practices on Korea as a practice partner for FXO. Although the things he stated is a fairly common zerg bo.Furthermore he lost like 7 games in a row, a hacker should not lose that many games... Go ahead and talk to him o.O he's a nice guy with poor english (" I Will not Loss")
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When is season 4 going up? I have someone to report :D
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Banwave has just occurred according to a known hack site. Good news, folks!
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Server: NA Your Name: Ben Hacker Name: Google.337 Replay: Google Blink Hack Description: At all major engagements you can see massive apm spikes, individual stalkers blinking while not selected, blinking while the screen isn't focused on the army, blinking while warping in units, and blinking into unfavorable locations followed by attack move commands to return to battle (ie onto high ground then walking around to a ramp) via poor AI
Caught using these hacks during a live broadcast during a Playhem tournament against CheckPrime (the real one, and winning with mass stalker) as well as other high level players.
Vod can be seen here starting at 1:25:30 http://www.twitch.tv/playhemtv/b/298376219
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Just post it in here for now. We'll take care of it don't worry.
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your Country52793 Posts
So, when are you putting up season 4?
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Lol at google hacking. Apparently he lost to me with it on.
And they aren't updating season 4. They stopped about 1/3rd of the way through season 3. It is weird this thread is still even active. oGs.Nada/SGTofluck and Lone weren't even listed as hacking even though blizzard already acknowledged they do.
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Server: EU Your Name: N/A (Not my replay. I found it while checking if he was still active from sc2ranks. His opponent: ZeGeR) Hacker Name: ENDeNigmatic Replay: http://drop.sc/43313
Description: ENDeNigmatic (http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2200670/ENDeNigmatic) who was couple of weeks ago reported to use the "results disagree" hack (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272003¤tpage=11#208) has not yet been banned by Blizzard (still active in S4 and his "result disagree" hack had interesting effects regarding his placement matches http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272003¤tpage=12#238).
Somebody has uploaded a recent ladder replay of ENDeNigmatic (versus ZeGeR) to drop.sc and it was linked to his sc2ranks profile. In the replay he uses at least auto larva injection and auto roach burrow hacks. He might also have a map hack as he couple of times reacts to his opponents army movements without having a vision, but I did not attempt to spot proofs for possible map hack while watching the replay.
He does first injections manually, but after 7:12 in game time his queens inject all his hatcheries without being manually selected. Injections are not totally perfect as small random variance seems to have been added, but according to sc2gears the average gap between new larvae hatching & injections is around 3 seconds for all his hatcheries.
During a big battle starting 20:20 in game time he has his entire army selected the whole time. His individual roaches automatically burrow when they suffer enough damage without being individually selected. The roaches unburrow after having healed a bit.
(edit: watched the replay second time. Added note that first injections are done manually) (edit 2 / 2011-10-30: as this has not yet been processed I added info regarding his S4 placements)
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Server: NA Your Name: SniXSniPe Hacker Name: inflameZ http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/463906/1/inflameZ/ Replay: http://drop.sc/49971 Description: 1. First overlord he sends at teh start is vertically, usually you would suspect most players to send it horizontally on Tal'Darim. But this really isn't an indicator... 2. Never drones scouts at all in the first 10 minutes... In fact, never does scout. 3. At 11:40 he sends all his units where my double medivac drop is located, without having any prior vision (no overlords, nothing, does not even know I have a starport). 4. @ 14:40 he engages my army on the watch tower while I am unpositioned and unsieged at the perfect moment. Notice the angle in which he attacks my army. He does not have vision, and yet sends his units to attack directly above my army (look at where he is clicking in other words). 5. @ 15:20 he runs his lings away from my planetary, right when it is about to be finished exactly, even though he never had vision of it. 6. @ 18:50 in my opinion confirms it. He has no vision, nor any idea my army is moving around there. He never took the watch tower nor could see it, yet he perfectly engages my army.
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On October 28 2011 19:29 godulous wrote:Server: NA Your Name: Ben Hacker Name: Google.337Replay: Google Blink HackDescription: At all major engagements you can see massive apm spikes, individual stalkers blinking while not selected, blinking while the screen isn't focused on the army, blinking while warping in units, and blinking into unfavorable locations followed by attack move commands to return to battle (ie onto high ground then walking around to a ramp) via poor AI Caught using these hacks during a live broadcast during a Playhem tournament against CheckPrime (the real one, and winning with mass stalker) as well as other high level players. Vod can be seen here starting at 1:25:30 http://www.twitch.tv/playhemtv/b/298376219
Were Playhem aware of this?
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On October 28 2011 19:29 godulous wrote:Server: NA Your Name: Ben Hacker Name: Google.337Replay: Google Blink HackDescription: At all major engagements you can see massive apm spikes, individual stalkers blinking while not selected, blinking while the screen isn't focused on the army, blinking while warping in units, and blinking into unfavorable locations followed by attack move commands to return to battle (ie onto high ground then walking around to a ramp) via poor AI Caught using these hacks during a live broadcast during a Playhem tournament against CheckPrime (the real one, and winning with mass stalker) as well as other high level players. Vod can be seen here starting at 1:25:30 http://www.twitch.tv/playhemtv/b/298376219
I watched the vod and there's an interesting occurance where he blink 1 stalker back away from attack while simultaneously blinking another group of stalkers forward.....
kinda suspicious from my view
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On October 28 2011 09:45 Trell wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2011 15:33 Tropical Bob wrote:On October 25 2011 06:51 stevarius wrote:On October 25 2011 05:35 Tropical Bob wrote:Server: NA Your Name: TropicalBob Hacker Name: GreatfOu ( http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2745602/1/GreatfOu/) Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/1r28hmDescription: Possible production tab hack. After some not-so-witty-banter, the following caught my attention: @2:25 - Right as I plant a 15-Hatch, he says "THINK THAT HARD FAST EXP". @4:20 - 2 Queens in production, "MAKE 2 QUEEN NOW". @4:34 - 2 pairs of Lings finish, "AND MAX 2 LING". @4:39 - Resume Droning, "NOW MAKE DRONE". Replay is also somehow corrupted so that SC2Gears can't analyze it in any way. It could all be just a coincidence or an educated guess, but I feel like it's better safe than sorry to get it out there in case someone else encounters him. A more recent released hack is known to corrupt replays for both the hacker and every other player, even if they are NOT using it. It's definitively a map hack. I had a beautiful come-back win and can't even check my statistical data from it..... Thing is that he wasn't checking my base while I was in his player cam, so unless he also had a vision lock hack that I think I heard about once, it couldn't be that. GreatFou plays on another dude's account by the name "WeekendFou" and practices on Korea as a practice partner for FXO. Although the things he stated is a fairly common zerg bo.Furthermore he lost like 7 games in a row, a hacker should not lose that many games... Go ahead and talk to him o.O he's a nice guy with poor english (" I Will not Loss") He straight up left when he lost an attempted Marine/Hellion elevator after raging about Zerg the entire game. Doesn't sound like a nice guy to me, nor one who would be winning a lot.
It may be a common build order, but those specific timings, the accuracy of his 'guesses', and the corrupted replay are all suspicious to me.
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On October 29 2011 06:04 defteH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 19:29 godulous wrote:Server: NA Your Name: Ben Hacker Name: Google.337Replay: Google Blink HackDescription: At all major engagements you can see massive apm spikes, individual stalkers blinking while not selected, blinking while the screen isn't focused on the army, blinking while warping in units, and blinking into unfavorable locations followed by attack move commands to return to battle (ie onto high ground then walking around to a ramp) via poor AI Caught using these hacks during a live broadcast during a Playhem tournament against CheckPrime (the real one, and winning with mass stalker) as well as other high level players. Vod can be seen here starting at 1:25:30 http://www.twitch.tv/playhemtv/b/298376219 Were Playhem aware of this?
I'm an admin with Playhem, if you watch the rest of the Vod from that day he was removed during the broadcast and the replay analyzed by the casters live on stream. We've now reported him here and to Blizzard to ensure he doesn't try to pull anything against other players and to alert other tournament organizers.
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So I posted some proof on page 27 that a dude called korbendallas used maphack, it seems nobody viewed it since I don't see his name added to the list and the replay I posted clearly showed him looking at my army through fog of war and reacting... (obvious maphack)
The guy has now changed names to "steff" probably because so many people realised he hacks... Please do something about it? Maybe put him in season 4 since he is still hacking at the moment?
Here's the replay again http://replayfu.com/r/FNg7Zg , evidence is around 14-15mn mark.
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dont get your hopes too high. some guys have been reported like 3-4 times and are obviously maphacking, yet they're not on the list
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On October 29 2011 07:57 godulous wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 06:04 defteH wrote:On October 28 2011 19:29 godulous wrote:Server: NA Your Name: Ben Hacker Name: Google.337Replay: Google Blink HackDescription: At all major engagements you can see massive apm spikes, individual stalkers blinking while not selected, blinking while the screen isn't focused on the army, blinking while warping in units, and blinking into unfavorable locations followed by attack move commands to return to battle (ie onto high ground then walking around to a ramp) via poor AI Caught using these hacks during a live broadcast during a Playhem tournament against CheckPrime (the real one, and winning with mass stalker) as well as other high level players. Vod can be seen here starting at 1:25:30 http://www.twitch.tv/playhemtv/b/298376219 Were Playhem aware of this? I'm an admin with Playhem, if you watch the rest of the Vod from that day he was removed during the broadcast and the replay analyzed by the casters live on stream. We've now reported him here and to Blizzard to ensure he doesn't try to pull anything against other players and to alert other tournament organizers.
Ahh I see, I only watched the first game, was fairly obvious he was blink hacking. Good to hear!
EDIT: Watched the VOD, 416 APM, good spot.
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On October 28 2011 20:08 JediGamer wrote: Lol at google hacking. Apparently he lost to me with it on.
And they aren't updating season 4. They stopped about 1/3rd of the way through season 3. It is weird this thread is still even active. oGs.Nada/SGTofluck and Lone weren't even listed as hacking even though blizzard already acknowledged they do. Wait, source? That's incredible if true. (I know of the Nada using maphacks in BW in like 07 or something, but these were all online games)
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On October 30 2011 04:13 Phayze wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 20:08 JediGamer wrote: Lol at google hacking. Apparently he lost to me with it on.
And they aren't updating season 4. They stopped about 1/3rd of the way through season 3. It is weird this thread is still even active. oGs.Nada/SGTofluck and Lone weren't even listed as hacking even though blizzard already acknowledged they do. Wait, source? That's incredible if true. (I know of the Nada using maphacks in BW in like 07 or something, but these were all online games) The NaDa hacker on NA is a poser.
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Season IV Server: EU Your Name: WMTKwanny Hacker Name: Mokomar http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/937133/1/Mokomar/ Replay:
Description: 2:00 // Lucky scout? 2:52 - 3:18 // Doesn't check for scouting information 4:06 // Moves/hides his SCV as my SCV comes down to build the CC 4:11 // Checks for Marine positioning 4:39 // Checks Ramp/Marine 4:46 // Gets Bunker @ Natural with CC not scouted 4:59 // Moves his Marine to intercept my Reaper 5:59 // Checks positioning of my Marines @ Natural (while moving his reapers) 7:14 // Brings Reaper into my position of my basecliff (I scout the reaper moving @ 7:27) 7:57 // Checks my basecliff, sees Marines and decides not to move in with his Reaper 8:00 // Checks as my Marines move out to take control over Xel'Naga tower 8:07 // Checks for the positioning of my Marines again 10:47 // Checks as both my Medivacs load in 16 Marines and (most obvious hint) 10:51 // Pulls his units from the front of his base to intercept drop
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Server: NA Your Name: tQInkarnate Hacker Name: sHAPE Replay: http://drop.sc/50739 Description: Opens the game by asking if I'm from a Diablo 2 hacking forum. Follows that up with a proxy pylon at the correct location without scouting, that he cancels when I build at my wall - also that he didn't scout. Throughout the game there are multiple times where he views my base through fog, which he has no vision of (at all). He also reacts to army movements without any vision of them multiple times.
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Server: NA Your Name: ccJaeger Hacker Name: sHAPE Replay: http://drop.sc/50742 Basically the same thing as Inkarnate's game above. Direct proxy north of my natural without scouting, sends his zealot home to deal with my first zealot without seeing it. @7:24 his camera tracks my stalkers walking up the ramp into his main through the fog of war. + Show Spoiler +All the more funny that he lost.
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here confirming the player "sHAPE" no need for me to really post anything. just lost to him. 2 gate proxy no scout
User was warned for this post
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Server: NA Your Name:Weend Hacker Name: Attora Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?s9crg9rgms2yre6 Description: 00:00:16 pans over my base 00:00:41 pans over my base 00:00:59 pans over my base 00:01:13 pans over my base 00:01:37 pans over my base 00:01:57 pans over my expo and my base constantly 00:02:31 pans over my base and ramp 00:02:55 sends marines to kill a scouting overlord he was not aware of to the exact location 00:03:40 pans over expo and base 00:04:09 pans over ramp and main 00:04:19 pans over ramp and main 00:04:37 pans over ramp and expo 00:04:47 pans over ramp and main 00:05:35 pans outer expo, ramp, and main 00:06:42 pans expo and ramp 00:06:55 pans over main 00:07:08 pans over expo 00:07:55 pans over rocks and entire base 00:09:57 pans over expo 00:10:08 pans over expo and main
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Server: EU Your Name: Shinji Hacker Name: xxl Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?786wjop1d86udp3 Description: at 7 min, its pretty obvious. at 20 min its a proof, cause he switched 1 sec to early to the incoming warpprisma..
also no one can play masterleague without scouting and 25 apm
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Server: NA Your Name: Mokomi Hacker Name: JasonX Replay: http://sc2rep.com/replays/(Z)Mokomi_(P)DMS_vs_(T)Fobc_(Z)JasonX/15132
Description:b4 i mention all of the times hes super obvious lets start with he was 50% 1v1 last season 1600 points... now hes 91-17 top of the ladder beating GM players which he never played last season as for the replay
2:28-looks at both oppo base through fog of war 4:23-looks at base and army through fog 6:07- looks at base through fog 6:18- sees army move out however without vision goes to probe right behind army kills it to stop a proxy warp in then runs back 7:20-looks at base through fog then attacks further delaying enemy move out 9:44-looks at proxy pylon and army through fog 10:21-returns to base to fight army after seeing it through the fog
this kid is pretty obvious red tape asap please
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On November 01 2011 02:08 RastaMonsta wrote:Server: NA Your Name: Mokomi Hacker Name: JasonX Replay: http://sc2rep.com/replays/(Z)Mokomi_(P)DMS_vs_(T)Fobc_(Z)JasonX/15132Description:b4 i mention all of the times hes super obvious lets start with he was 50% 1v1 last season 1600 points... now hes 91-17 top of the ladder beating GM players which he never played last season as for the replay 2:28-looks at both oppo base through fog of war 4:23-looks at base and army through fog 6:07- looks at base through fog 6:18- sees army move out however without vision goes to probe right behind army kills it to stop a proxy warp in then runs back 7:20-looks at base through fog then attacks further delaying enemy move out 9:44-looks at proxy pylon and army through fog 10:21-returns to base to fight army after seeing it through the fog this kid is pretty obvious red tape asap please
Description: I think this post should be removed after analysis. I just watched that replay along with my team and @ 2:28, 4:23 those are just me clicking my units at the base... I think you have to kind of look at the base when you click there.
6:07-6:18 I just finished destroying rocks at gold and having both watch towers, and with minimap awareness I see your army pushing out? The key to my build and my partners is counter attacking and abusing mobility. So you call me running into your base having no vision maphacking? 7:20 what is there to look at through the fog? I'm debating a counter attack but I'm waiting for your units to arrive at my base so the alerts are off.
9:44 - 10:21 - Absurd assumption that looking through fog is automatically looking at your army, i already know your army is down there and so is a proxy pylon. Any good player would
Also, my 1v1 record? I played random last season and that means shit all, I dicked around and off-raced. I have other accounts and smurfs I play on. Panning through fog like that, really doesn't tell you much, i could be seeing what structures that person has, doesnt mean I am necessarily maphacking. --;
This season I can post a entire replay pack of my 1v1 games and I encourage everyone to go through them THOROUGHLY and tell me if I'm map hacking at all. Comparing last season with this one is also ridiculous.
The player who made this report also messaged me in game. Goes by the name of PaRaSiTe, his record last season for 1v1 was 30-62, and this season hes like 73-8 or something? Can we make the same assumption? I have justification for all my accounts, and I also stream my gameplay... I think that is more proof then what this replay says. And the only reason I'm being so defensive about this is because I don't want my name tainted because ONE person thinks I'm maphacking in a 2v2 game.. where teams dont really matter to me.
http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/3162105/PaRaSiTe http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/774764/JasonX
I have over 3500 games played, compared to his 432. I have more experience and game sense.
What about all the 1v1's I've played? I'm sure those players have gone through their replays.
This replay above is not conclusive and factual enough to assign someone the name that they are a 'maphacker'. As it can permanently destroy an individuals name.
This accusation is silly and I hope all who read this analyze these replays.
Here are some notable replays of me playing vs. some pros.
Game vs. pro-gamer Major (aka. NoNge) ----> http://drop.sc/51091 Game vs. pro-gamer TSLPolt (PoltPrime) ----> http://drop.sc/51092 Game vs. pro-gamer LiquidTyler ----> http://drop.sc/51093 Game vs. pro-gamer FXOpTiKzErO ----> http://drop.sc/51094
Please, I encourage you to go through those and detect of any hacks. I can post many more. I request that admins go through my replays and come to a conclusion.
This is embarassing to me and my team and I'll apologize for that in advance. I hope this gets resolved soon.
Thanks
EDIT** : It has come to my attention that the uploader of the original replay is a user who goes by the name of jp305.
After googling "jp305" the top search links to this ---> http://www.valiantchaos.com/vbforums/member.php?51-Jp305
The player is Josh Price, also known as Sorcery. That website is for a well known pay2use maphack. Which explains the horribly record from last season compared to the new gosu one this season on the character PaRaSiTe (the character that kept messaging me in game saying that I hack). Sorcery has been a known hacker, a confirmed hacker, and has publicly admitted to it as well.
I took a screenshot of the uploader and replay as well, in the event he decides to remove it.
Coincidence? You be the judge.
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On November 01 2011 03:18 JasonX wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 02:08 RastaMonsta wrote:Server: NA Your Name: Mokomi Hacker Name: JasonX Replay: http://sc2rep.com/replays/(Z)Mokomi_(P)DMS_vs_(T)Fobc_(Z)JasonX/15132Description:b4 i mention all of the times hes super obvious lets start with he was 50% 1v1 last season 1600 points... now hes 91-17 top of the ladder beating GM players which he never played last season as for the replay 2:28-looks at both oppo base through fog of war 4:23-looks at base and army through fog 6:07- looks at base through fog 6:18- sees army move out however without vision goes to probe right behind army kills it to stop a proxy warp in then runs back 7:20-looks at base through fog then attacks further delaying enemy move out 9:44-looks at proxy pylon and army through fog 10:21-returns to base to fight army after seeing it through the fog this kid is pretty obvious red tape asap please Description: I think this post should be removed after analysis. I just watched that replay along with my team and @ 2:28, 4:23 those are just me clicking my units at the base... I think you have to kind of look at the base when you click there. 6:07-6:18 I just finished destroying rocks at gold and having both watch towers, and with minimap awareness I see your army pushing out? The key to my build and my partners is counter attacking and abusing mobility. So you call me running into your base having no vision maphacking? 7:20 what is there to look at through the fog? I'm debating a counter attack but I'm waiting for your units to arrive at my base so the alerts are off. 9:44 - 10:21 - Absurd assumption that looking through fog is automatically looking at your army, i already know your army is down there and so is a proxy pylon. Any good player would Also, my 1v1 record? I played random last season and that means shit all, I dicked around and off-raced. I have other accounts and smurfs I play on. Panning through fog like that, really doesn't tell you much, i could be seeing what structures that person has, doesnt mean I am necessarily maphacking. --; This season I can post a entire replay pack of my 1v1 games and I encourage everyone to go through them THOROUGHLY and tell me if I'm map hacking at all. Comparing last season with this one is also ridiculous. The player who made this report also messaged me in game. Goes by the name of PaRaSiTe, his record last season for 1v1 was 30-62, and this season hes like 73-8 or something? Can we make the same assumption? I have justification for all my accounts, and I also stream my gameplay... I think that is more proof then what this replay says. And the only reason I'm being so defensive about this is because I don't want my name tainted because ONE person thinks I'm maphacking in a 2v2 game.. where teams dont really matter to me. http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/3162105/PaRaSiTehttp://www.sc2ranks.com/us/774764/JasonXI have over 3500 games played, compared to his 432. I have more experience and game sense. What about all the 1v1's I've played? I'm sure those players have gone through their replays. This replay above is not conclusive and factual enough to assign someone the name that they are a 'maphacker'. As it can permanently destroy an individuals name. This accusation is silly and I hope all who read this analyze these replays. Here are some notable replays of me playing vs. some pros. Game vs. pro-gamer Major (aka. NoNge) ----> http://drop.sc/51091Game vs. pro-gamer TSLPolt (PoltPrime) ----> http://drop.sc/51092Game vs. pro-gamer LiquidTyler ----> http://drop.sc/51093Game vs. pro-gamer FXOpTiKzErO ----> http://drop.sc/51094Please, I encourage you to go through those and detect of any hacks. I can post many more. I request that admins go through my replays and come to a conclusion. This is embarassing to me and my team and I'll apologize for that in advance. I hope this gets resolved soon. Thanks
probally one of the best defence posts i have seen, now to the subject at hand, i watched the replay, and i have watched the replays he posted in his defense, i do agree with him that the random checks pans etc are not solid proof it even says that in the OP, but that aside
this i do not believe is a map hacker at all, and to be fair this thread has been trolled to hell so i doubt many people still activly add to the list.
but jasonx i believe you are not maphacking, and gg wp :D
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FORMAT ladder Server: EU Your Name: toto Hacker Name: offlineasek Replay: http://drop.sc/51335 Description: goes directly cross pos on tal'darim planting a pylon on my expo and then proxying 2 gates. Multiple checks on my base through fog of war.
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plenty of blatant hackers here, is this thread ever going to be updated?
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On October 26 2011 02:21 Sergio1992 wrote: Server: EU Your Name: Nemesis Hacker Name: THEDOUNAT Replay: [url blocked]
Description I get a defeat but none of my buildings were destroyed, the replay itself is sick as it lasts only 2:29. I said to the guy I was reporting him , (it wasn't a smart move now that I think about it , as he will likely stop using it for a while than begin again using it)
Oh hey, i had the same thing happened to me a while ago. I even made a post about it. It happened around that time too. =\\
I also asked the guy but he just denied =\
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On November 01 2011 05:30 srs wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 03:18 JasonX wrote:On November 01 2011 02:08 RastaMonsta wrote:Server: NA Your Name: Mokomi Hacker Name: JasonX Replay: http://sc2rep.com/replays/(Z)Mokomi_(P)DMS_vs_(T)Fobc_(Z)JasonX/15132Description:b4 i mention all of the times hes super obvious lets start with he was 50% 1v1 last season 1600 points... now hes 91-17 top of the ladder beating GM players which he never played last season as for the replay 2:28-looks at both oppo base through fog of war 4:23-looks at base and army through fog 6:07- looks at base through fog 6:18- sees army move out however without vision goes to probe right behind army kills it to stop a proxy warp in then runs back 7:20-looks at base through fog then attacks further delaying enemy move out 9:44-looks at proxy pylon and army through fog 10:21-returns to base to fight army after seeing it through the fog this kid is pretty obvious red tape asap please Description: I think this post should be removed after analysis. I just watched that replay along with my team and @ 2:28, 4:23 those are just me clicking my units at the base... I think you have to kind of look at the base when you click there. 6:07-6:18 I just finished destroying rocks at gold and having both watch towers, and with minimap awareness I see your army pushing out? The key to my build and my partners is counter attacking and abusing mobility. So you call me running into your base having no vision maphacking? 7:20 what is there to look at through the fog? I'm debating a counter attack but I'm waiting for your units to arrive at my base so the alerts are off. 9:44 - 10:21 - Absurd assumption that looking through fog is automatically looking at your army, i already know your army is down there and so is a proxy pylon. Any good player would Also, my 1v1 record? I played random last season and that means shit all, I dicked around and off-raced. I have other accounts and smurfs I play on. Panning through fog like that, really doesn't tell you much, i could be seeing what structures that person has, doesnt mean I am necessarily maphacking. --; This season I can post a entire replay pack of my 1v1 games and I encourage everyone to go through them THOROUGHLY and tell me if I'm map hacking at all. Comparing last season with this one is also ridiculous. The player who made this report also messaged me in game. Goes by the name of PaRaSiTe, his record last season for 1v1 was 30-62, and this season hes like 73-8 or something? Can we make the same assumption? I have justification for all my accounts, and I also stream my gameplay... I think that is more proof then what this replay says. And the only reason I'm being so defensive about this is because I don't want my name tainted because ONE person thinks I'm maphacking in a 2v2 game.. where teams dont really matter to me. http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/3162105/PaRaSiTehttp://www.sc2ranks.com/us/774764/JasonXI have over 3500 games played, compared to his 432. I have more experience and game sense. What about all the 1v1's I've played? I'm sure those players have gone through their replays. This replay above is not conclusive and factual enough to assign someone the name that they are a 'maphacker'. As it can permanently destroy an individuals name. This accusation is silly and I hope all who read this analyze these replays. Here are some notable replays of me playing vs. some pros. Game vs. pro-gamer Major (aka. NoNge) ----> http://drop.sc/51091Game vs. pro-gamer TSLPolt (PoltPrime) ----> http://drop.sc/51092Game vs. pro-gamer LiquidTyler ----> http://drop.sc/51093Game vs. pro-gamer FXOpTiKzErO ----> http://drop.sc/51094Please, I encourage you to go through those and detect of any hacks. I can post many more. I request that admins go through my replays and come to a conclusion. This is embarassing to me and my team and I'll apologize for that in advance. I hope this gets resolved soon. Thanks probally one of the best defence posts i have seen, now to the subject at hand, i watched the replay, and i have watched the replays he posted in his defense, i do agree with him that the random checks pans etc are not solid proof it even says that in the OP, but that aside this i do not believe is a map hacker at all, and to be fair this thread has been trolled to hell so i doubt many people still activly add to the list. but jasonx i believe you are not maphacking, and gg wp :D
looks like MH to me
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On November 01 2011 19:26 uts.toto wrote:FORMAT ladder Server: EU Your Name: toto Hacker Name: offlineasek Replay: http://drop.sc/51335Description: goes directly cross pos on tal'darim planting a pylon on my expo and then proxying 2 gates. Multiple checks on my base through fog of war.
Should be added once again, exactly same as earlier replays of him.
That dude has been reported now on 3 seasons :/ .. I added him after I got into same custom and he seemed to be cheating, and he had been offline for a few weeks+, but seems that now is again at it for season 4.
So, if he was banned for that few weeks he was offline, Bliz gives accounts back for new season? That's not cool.. It's like they enforce cheating, banwave at very end of season, and as soon as next season starts they can continue.
Had a look at hes games, and he's still proxy 2 gating alot. But also found this (Screenshots): 1. Economy cheat? 2. Production Seems a lot for 6 workers imho. Edit: Added production screenshot.
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On November 01 2011 03:18 JasonX wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 02:08 RastaMonsta wrote:Server: NA Your Name: Mokomi Hacker Name: JasonX Replay: http://sc2rep.com/replays/(Z)Mokomi_(P)DMS_vs_(T)Fobc_(Z)JasonX/15132Description:b4 i mention all of the times hes super obvious lets start with he was 50% 1v1 last season 1600 points... now hes 91-17 top of the ladder beating GM players which he never played last season as for the replay 2:28-looks at both oppo base through fog of war 4:23-looks at base and army through fog 6:07- looks at base through fog 6:18- sees army move out however without vision goes to probe right behind army kills it to stop a proxy warp in then runs back 7:20-looks at base through fog then attacks further delaying enemy move out 9:44-looks at proxy pylon and army through fog 10:21-returns to base to fight army after seeing it through the fog this kid is pretty obvious red tape asap please Description: I think this post should be removed after analysis. I just watched that replay along with my team and @ 2:28, 4:23 those are just me clicking my units at the base... I think you have to kind of look at the base when you click there. 6:07-6:18 I just finished destroying rocks at gold and having both watch towers, and with minimap awareness I see your army pushing out? The key to my build and my partners is counter attacking and abusing mobility. So you call me running into your base having no vision maphacking? 7:20 what is there to look at through the fog? I'm debating a counter attack but I'm waiting for your units to arrive at my base so the alerts are off. 9:44 - 10:21 - Absurd assumption that looking through fog is automatically looking at your army, i already know your army is down there and so is a proxy pylon. Any good player would Also, my 1v1 record? I played random last season and that means shit all, I dicked around and off-raced. I have other accounts and smurfs I play on. Panning through fog like that, really doesn't tell you much, i could be seeing what structures that person has, doesnt mean I am necessarily maphacking. --; This season I can post a entire replay pack of my 1v1 games and I encourage everyone to go through them THOROUGHLY and tell me if I'm map hacking at all. Comparing last season with this one is also ridiculous. The player who made this report also messaged me in game. Goes by the name of PaRaSiTe, his record last season for 1v1 was 30-62, and this season hes like 73-8 or something? Can we make the same assumption? I have justification for all my accounts, and I also stream my gameplay... I think that is more proof then what this replay says. And the only reason I'm being so defensive about this is because I don't want my name tainted because ONE person thinks I'm maphacking in a 2v2 game.. where teams dont really matter to me. http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/3162105/PaRaSiTehttp://www.sc2ranks.com/us/774764/JasonXI have over 3500 games played, compared to his 432. I have more experience and game sense. What about all the 1v1's I've played? I'm sure those players have gone through their replays. This replay above is not conclusive and factual enough to assign someone the name that they are a 'maphacker'. As it can permanently destroy an individuals name. This accusation is silly and I hope all who read this analyze these replays. Here are some notable replays of me playing vs. some pros. Game vs. pro-gamer Major (aka. NoNge) ----> http://drop.sc/51091Game vs. pro-gamer TSLPolt (PoltPrime) ----> http://drop.sc/51092Game vs. pro-gamer LiquidTyler ----> http://drop.sc/51093Game vs. pro-gamer FXOpTiKzErO ----> http://drop.sc/51094Please, I encourage you to go through those and detect of any hacks. I can post many more. I request that admins go through my replays and come to a conclusion. This is embarassing to me and my team and I'll apologize for that in advance. I hope this gets resolved soon. Thanks EDIT** : It has come to my attention that the uploader of the original replay is a user who goes by the name of jp305.
After googling "jp305" the top search links to this ---> http://www.valiantchaos.com/vbforums/member.php?51-Jp305
The player is Josh Price, also known as Sorcery. That website is for a well known pay2use maphack. Which explains the horribly record from last season compared to the new gosu one this season on the character PaRaSiTe (the character that kept messaging me in game saying that I hack). Sorcery has been a known hacker, a confirmed hacker, and has publicly admitted to it as well.
I took a screenshot of the uploader and replay as well, in the event he decides to remove it.
Coincidence? You be the judge.
Sorcery and his ilk infiltrated and ruined this thread long ago. Your detective work is highly informative, if not unexpected.
He's a desperate hacker troll. It's what he does. He has nothing else in life. Rest easy knowing your name has been in no way sullied and he will forever be a shitty noob who can't win without hacking.
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On November 01 2011 03:18 JasonX wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 02:08 RastaMonsta wrote:Server: NA Your Name: Mokomi Hacker Name: JasonX Replay: http://sc2rep.com/replays/(Z)Mokomi_(P)DMS_vs_(T)Fobc_(Z)JasonX/15132Description:b4 i mention all of the times hes super obvious lets start with he was 50% 1v1 last season 1600 points... now hes 91-17 top of the ladder beating GM players which he never played last season as for the replay 2:28-looks at both oppo base through fog of war 4:23-looks at base and army through fog 6:07- looks at base through fog 6:18- sees army move out however without vision goes to probe right behind army kills it to stop a proxy warp in then runs back 7:20-looks at base through fog then attacks further delaying enemy move out 9:44-looks at proxy pylon and army through fog 10:21-returns to base to fight army after seeing it through the fog this kid is pretty obvious red tape asap please Description: I think this post should be removed after analysis. I just watched that replay along with my team and @ 2:28, 4:23 those are just me clicking my units at the base... I think you have to kind of look at the base when you click there. 6:07-6:18 I just finished destroying rocks at gold and having both watch towers, and with minimap awareness I see your army pushing out? The key to my build and my partners is counter attacking and abusing mobility. So you call me running into your base having no vision maphacking? 7:20 what is there to look at through the fog? I'm debating a counter attack but I'm waiting for your units to arrive at my base so the alerts are off. 9:44 - 10:21 - Absurd assumption that looking through fog is automatically looking at your army, i already know your army is down there and so is a proxy pylon. Any good player would Also, my 1v1 record? I played random last season and that means shit all, I dicked around and off-raced. I have other accounts and smurfs I play on. Panning through fog like that, really doesn't tell you much, i could be seeing what structures that person has, doesnt mean I am necessarily maphacking. --; This season I can post a entire replay pack of my 1v1 games and I encourage everyone to go through them THOROUGHLY and tell me if I'm map hacking at all. Comparing last season with this one is also ridiculous. The player who made this report also messaged me in game. Goes by the name of PaRaSiTe, his record last season for 1v1 was 30-62, and this season hes like 73-8 or something? Can we make the same assumption? I have justification for all my accounts, and I also stream my gameplay... I think that is more proof then what this replay says. And the only reason I'm being so defensive about this is because I don't want my name tainted because ONE person thinks I'm maphacking in a 2v2 game.. where teams dont really matter to me. http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/3162105/PaRaSiTehttp://www.sc2ranks.com/us/774764/JasonXI have over 3500 games played, compared to his 432. I have more experience and game sense. What about all the 1v1's I've played? I'm sure those players have gone through their replays. This replay above is not conclusive and factual enough to assign someone the name that they are a 'maphacker'. As it can permanently destroy an individuals name. This accusation is silly and I hope all who read this analyze these replays. Here are some notable replays of me playing vs. some pros. Game vs. pro-gamer Major (aka. NoNge) ----> http://drop.sc/51091Game vs. pro-gamer TSLPolt (PoltPrime) ----> http://drop.sc/51092Game vs. pro-gamer LiquidTyler ----> http://drop.sc/51093Game vs. pro-gamer FXOpTiKzErO ----> http://drop.sc/51094Please, I encourage you to go through those and detect of any hacks. I can post many more. I request that admins go through my replays and come to a conclusion. This is embarassing to me and my team and I'll apologize for that in advance. I hope this gets resolved soon. Thanks EDIT** : It has come to my attention that the uploader of the original replay is a user who goes by the name of jp305.
After googling "jp305" the top search links to this ---> http://www.valiantchaos.com/vbforums/member.php?51-Jp305
The player is Josh Price, also known as Sorcery. That website is for a well known pay2use maphack. Which explains the horribly record from last season compared to the new gosu one this season on the character PaRaSiTe (the character that kept messaging me in game saying that I hack). Sorcery has been a known hacker, a confirmed hacker, and has publicly admitted to it as well.
I took a screenshot of the uploader and replay as well, in the event he decides to remove it.
Coincidence? You be the judge.
Wow great find on sorcery, that guy must have no life. Also I looked at all your replays and I'm 99% certain you are not hacking.
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On November 01 2011 03:18 JasonX wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 02:08 RastaMonsta wrote:Server: NA Your Name: Mokomi Hacker Name: JasonX Replay: http://sc2rep.com/replays/(Z)Mokomi_(P)DMS_vs_(T)Fobc_(Z)JasonX/15132Description:b4 i mention all of the times hes super obvious lets start with he was 50% 1v1 last season 1600 points... now hes 91-17 top of the ladder beating GM players which he never played last season as for the replay 2:28-looks at both oppo base through fog of war 4:23-looks at base and army through fog 6:07- looks at base through fog 6:18- sees army move out however without vision goes to probe right behind army kills it to stop a proxy warp in then runs back 7:20-looks at base through fog then attacks further delaying enemy move out 9:44-looks at proxy pylon and army through fog 10:21-returns to base to fight army after seeing it through the fog this kid is pretty obvious red tape asap please Description: I think this post should be removed after analysis. I just watched that replay along with my team and @ 2:28, 4:23 those are just me clicking my units at the base... I think you have to kind of look at the base when you click there. 6:07-6:18 I just finished destroying rocks at gold and having both watch towers, and with minimap awareness I see your army pushing out? The key to my build and my partners is counter attacking and abusing mobility. So you call me running into your base having no vision maphacking? 7:20 what is there to look at through the fog? I'm debating a counter attack but I'm waiting for your units to arrive at my base so the alerts are off. 9:44 - 10:21 - Absurd assumption that looking through fog is automatically looking at your army, i already know your army is down there and so is a proxy pylon. Any good player would Also, my 1v1 record? I played random last season and that means shit all, I dicked around and off-raced. I have other accounts and smurfs I play on. Panning through fog like that, really doesn't tell you much, i could be seeing what structures that person has, doesnt mean I am necessarily maphacking. --; This season I can post a entire replay pack of my 1v1 games and I encourage everyone to go through them THOROUGHLY and tell me if I'm map hacking at all. Comparing last season with this one is also ridiculous. The player who made this report also messaged me in game. Goes by the name of PaRaSiTe, his record last season for 1v1 was 30-62, and this season hes like 73-8 or something? Can we make the same assumption? I have justification for all my accounts, and I also stream my gameplay... I think that is more proof then what this replay says. And the only reason I'm being so defensive about this is because I don't want my name tainted because ONE person thinks I'm maphacking in a 2v2 game.. where teams dont really matter to me. http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/3162105/PaRaSiTehttp://www.sc2ranks.com/us/774764/JasonXI have over 3500 games played, compared to his 432. I have more experience and game sense. What about all the 1v1's I've played? I'm sure those players have gone through their replays. This replay above is not conclusive and factual enough to assign someone the name that they are a 'maphacker'. As it can permanently destroy an individuals name. This accusation is silly and I hope all who read this analyze these replays. Here are some notable replays of me playing vs. some pros. Game vs. pro-gamer Major (aka. NoNge) ----> http://drop.sc/51091Game vs. pro-gamer TSLPolt (PoltPrime) ----> http://drop.sc/51092Game vs. pro-gamer LiquidTyler ----> http://drop.sc/51093Game vs. pro-gamer FXOpTiKzErO ----> http://drop.sc/51094Please, I encourage you to go through those and detect of any hacks. I can post many more. I request that admins go through my replays and come to a conclusion. This is embarassing to me and my team and I'll apologize for that in advance. I hope this gets resolved soon. Thanks EDIT** : It has come to my attention that the uploader of the original replay is a user who goes by the name of jp305.
After googling "jp305" the top search links to this ---> http://www.valiantchaos.com/vbforums/member.php?51-Jp305
The player is Josh Price, also known as Sorcery. That website is for a well known pay2use maphack. Which explains the horribly record from last season compared to the new gosu one this season on the character PaRaSiTe (the character that kept messaging me in game saying that I hack). Sorcery has been a known hacker, a confirmed hacker, and has publicly admitted to it as well.
I took a screenshot of the uploader and replay as well, in the event he decides to remove it.
Coincidence? You be the judge.
I just watched the game I played vs JasonX on the ladder yesterday and by no means did he show any signs of hack.. Just a skilled player
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FORMAT Ladder Server: NA Your Name: Linkark Hacker Name: Travis (http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2660014/1/Travis/) Replay: http://drop.sc/52255 Description: You can notice in like 1:50 he looks at my base without scouting it. Many times he looks there without never scouting and he also proceeds to make cannons as soon as I start making a Spire. In the end, I tried to put a Proxy Nydus where he didn't have any units but he looked there, made some stalkers and killed my Nydus. Oh, and sorry about the end, I was kinda pissed off yesterday.
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I was playing random 2v2 ladder and was partnered with a guy who seemed to have very good game sense, and we linked up to play a few through placement matches. After a few games it seemed like he 'trusted' me a bit more, and started saying things out of the blue like what they were building (roach rush * marines), where and when they'd be hitting with absolutely no scouting info. I asked him in a jokey manner if he was a map hacker and he replied "" The reason I haven't reported this guy is that he told me that is his account for screwing around with other races, and is a master level Protoss with his main account.
Can I report this to Bliz? Is there any way they will even attempt to link this to his main account and ban his IP?
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On November 03 2011 04:44 Eschaton wrote:I was playing random 2v2 ladder and was partnered with a guy who seemed to have very good game sense, and we linked up to play a few through placement matches. After a few games it seemed like he 'trusted' me a bit more, and started saying things out of the blue like what they were building (roach rush * marines), where and when they'd be hitting with absolutely no scouting info. I asked him in a jokey manner if he was a map hacker and he replied " " The reason I haven't reported this guy is that he told me that is his account for screwing around with other races, and is a master level Protoss with his main account. Can I report this to Bliz? Is there any way they will even attempt to link this to his main account and ban his IP?
Blizzard doesn't ban IP's to my knowledge. They only ban the account that has been confirmed as hacking. And if he is a master-league protoss would he not have a very good game sense and know when the average build attacks and what the scoutable triggers for that build are? Maybe he was just joking around with the Of course, you could upload it here so we the TL anti-hack team (Wherever they are) can check it out. Just saying.
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On November 03 2011 05:10 Peanut Butter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 04:44 Eschaton wrote:I was playing random 2v2 ladder and was partnered with a guy who seemed to have very good game sense, and we linked up to play a few through placement matches. After a few games it seemed like he 'trusted' me a bit more, and started saying things out of the blue like what they were building (roach rush * marines), where and when they'd be hitting with absolutely no scouting info. I asked him in a jokey manner if he was a map hacker and he replied " " The reason I haven't reported this guy is that he told me that is his account for screwing around with other races, and is a master level Protoss with his main account. Can I report this to Bliz? Is there any way they will even attempt to link this to his main account and ban his IP? Blizzard doesn't ban IP's to my knowledge. They only ban the account that has been confirmed as hacking. And if he is a master-league protoss would he not have a very good game sense and know when the average build attacks and what the scoutable triggers for that build are? Maybe he was just joking around with the Of course, you could upload it here so we the TL anti-hack team (Wherever they are) can check it out. Just saying. Or maybe he just tanked his games a couple days before Season ended (which he'll stay masters at the end of tanking) and he can just gain easy wins vs low level kids to get up to masters to pad his record.
Best bet is to check his match history and see if he left multiple games in a row before the new Season started.
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On November 01 2011 03:18 JasonX wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 02:08 RastaMonsta wrote:Server: NA Your Name: Mokomi Hacker Name: JasonX Replay: http://sc2rep.com/replays/(Z)Mokomi_(P)DMS_vs_(T)Fobc_(Z)JasonX/15132Description:b4 i mention all of the times hes super obvious lets start with he was 50% 1v1 last season 1600 points... now hes 91-17 top of the ladder beating GM players which he never played last season as for the replay 2:28-looks at both oppo base through fog of war 4:23-looks at base and army through fog 6:07- looks at base through fog 6:18- sees army move out however without vision goes to probe right behind army kills it to stop a proxy warp in then runs back 7:20-looks at base through fog then attacks further delaying enemy move out 9:44-looks at proxy pylon and army through fog 10:21-returns to base to fight army after seeing it through the fog this kid is pretty obvious red tape asap please Description: I think this post should be removed after analysis. I just watched that replay along with my team and @ 2:28, 4:23 those are just me clicking my units at the base... I think you have to kind of look at the base when you click there. 6:07-6:18 I just finished destroying rocks at gold and having both watch towers, and with minimap awareness I see your army pushing out? The key to my build and my partners is counter attacking and abusing mobility. So you call me running into your base having no vision maphacking? 7:20 what is there to look at through the fog? I'm debating a counter attack but I'm waiting for your units to arrive at my base so the alerts are off. 9:44 - 10:21 - Absurd assumption that looking through fog is automatically looking at your army, i already know your army is down there and so is a proxy pylon. Any good player would Also, my 1v1 record? I played random last season and that means shit all, I dicked around and off-raced. I have other accounts and smurfs I play on. Panning through fog like that, really doesn't tell you much, i could be seeing what structures that person has, doesnt mean I am necessarily maphacking. --; This season I can post a entire replay pack of my 1v1 games and I encourage everyone to go through them THOROUGHLY and tell me if I'm map hacking at all. Comparing last season with this one is also ridiculous. The player who made this report also messaged me in game. Goes by the name of PaRaSiTe, his record last season for 1v1 was 30-62, and this season hes like 73-8 or something? Can we make the same assumption? I have justification for all my accounts, and I also stream my gameplay... I think that is more proof then what this replay says. And the only reason I'm being so defensive about this is because I don't want my name tainted because ONE person thinks I'm maphacking in a 2v2 game.. where teams dont really matter to me. http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/3162105/PaRaSiTehttp://www.sc2ranks.com/us/774764/JasonXI have over 3500 games played, compared to his 432. I have more experience and game sense. What about all the 1v1's I've played? I'm sure those players have gone through their replays. This replay above is not conclusive and factual enough to assign someone the name that they are a 'maphacker'. As it can permanently destroy an individuals name. This accusation is silly and I hope all who read this analyze these replays. Here are some notable replays of me playing vs. some pros. Game vs. pro-gamer Major (aka. NoNge) ----> http://drop.sc/51091Game vs. pro-gamer TSLPolt (PoltPrime) ----> http://drop.sc/51092Game vs. pro-gamer LiquidTyler ----> http://drop.sc/51093Game vs. pro-gamer FXOpTiKzErO ----> http://drop.sc/51094Please, I encourage you to go through those and detect of any hacks. I can post many more. I request that admins go through my replays and come to a conclusion. This is embarassing to me and my team and I'll apologize for that in advance. I hope this gets resolved soon. Thanks EDIT** : It has come to my attention that the uploader of the original replay is a user who goes by the name of jp305.
After googling "jp305" the top search links to this ---> http://www.valiantchaos.com/vbforums/member.php?51-Jp305
The player is Josh Price, also known as Sorcery. That website is for a well known pay2use maphack. Which explains the horribly record from last season compared to the new gosu one this season on the character PaRaSiTe (the character that kept messaging me in game saying that I hack). Sorcery has been a known hacker, a confirmed hacker, and has publicly admitted to it as well.
I took a screenshot of the uploader and replay as well, in the event he decides to remove it.
Coincidence? You be the judge.
Vouch this d00d, no hacks at all just super good at this game
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Ladder Server: NA Your Name: FairForever Hacker Name: Roscoe (http://sc2ranks.com/us/884547/Roscoe) Replay: http://drop.sc/52550 Description: He goes 6pool, I go blind 9pool on Shakuras, he immediately says "nice maphack" - I don't understand in-game but watching replay and knowing he went 6pool I understand why.
Then he opens with lings but doesn't move out with them (as though he knows my lings are coming), instead waiting to trap them.
The rest of the game proceeds pretty normally, both of us expanding and eventually I just kill him with a roach/ling/bling attack. But I was super curious and I re-watched the replay. He says "nice maphack" right after I go above 100 minerals without building an overlord at 9. What do you guys think? Suspicious?
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On November 03 2011 12:46 FairForever wrote:Ladder Server: NA Your Name: FairForever Hacker Name: Roscoe (http://sc2ranks.com/us/884547/Roscoe) Replay: http://drop.sc/52550Description: He goes 6pool, I go blind 9pool on Shakuras, he immediately says "nice maphack" - I don't understand in-game but watching replay and knowing he went 6pool I understand why. Then he opens with lings but doesn't move out with them (as though he knows my lings are coming), instead waiting to trap them. The rest of the game proceeds pretty normally, both of us expanding and eventually I just kill him with a roach/ling/bling attack. But I was super curious and I re-watched the replay. He says "nice maphack" right after I go above 100 minerals without building an overlord at 9. What do you guys think? Suspicious?
I want to report same player
Ladder Server: NA Your Name: AGIANTSMURF Hacker Name: Roscoe (http://sc2ranks.com/us/884547/Roscoe) (Also uses "Kirlyn") Description: 6 pools on shakuras, although he scouts me with overlord he never looks in my main and aknowldges a cannon in my minerals, he goes straight for my forge and pylon on lowground never coming inside of my main
He sends his lings directly towards 2 separate probes that he had no vision of
I chase his lings outside of my base, he loses vision of my zealots at my natural, 20 seconds later without vision he says "Stop following me, im trying to drone"
I send a stalker to poke his ramp, he immediately ambushes it with lings despite not seeing it approach
I prepare a 4 gate and when my army moves to the xel naga tower (Keep in mind he has NO vision whatsoever, no hint or clue of a 4 gate) he immediately drops 4 spine crawlers on top of the 1 he already had
I send a probe to place a proxy pylon which goes down JUST OUTSIDE of his vision, He IMMEDIATELY sends his lings out to kill the probe and pylon, anticipates and surrounds my units perfectly on his ramp again without vision.
Here is replay, see for yourself, its not long
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On November 01 2011 03:18 JasonX wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 02:08 RastaMonsta wrote:Server: NA Your Name: Mokomi Hacker Name: JasonX Replay: http://sc2rep.com/replays/(Z)Mokomi_(P)DMS_vs_(T)Fobc_(Z)JasonX/15132Description:b4 i mention all of the times hes super obvious lets start with he was 50% 1v1 last season 1600 points... now hes 91-17 top of the ladder beating GM players which he never played last season as for the replay 2:28-looks at both oppo base through fog of war 4:23-looks at base and army through fog 6:07- looks at base through fog 6:18- sees army move out however without vision goes to probe right behind army kills it to stop a proxy warp in then runs back 7:20-looks at base through fog then attacks further delaying enemy move out 9:44-looks at proxy pylon and army through fog 10:21-returns to base to fight army after seeing it through the fog this kid is pretty obvious red tape asap please Description: I think this post should be removed after analysis. I just watched that replay along with my team and @ 2:28, 4:23 those are just me clicking my units at the base... I think you have to kind of look at the base when you click there. 6:07-6:18 I just finished destroying rocks at gold and having both watch towers, and with minimap awareness I see your army pushing out? The key to my build and my partners is counter attacking and abusing mobility. So you call me running into your base having no vision maphacking? 7:20 what is there to look at through the fog? I'm debating a counter attack but I'm waiting for your units to arrive at my base so the alerts are off. 9:44 - 10:21 - Absurd assumption that looking through fog is automatically looking at your army, i already know your army is down there and so is a proxy pylon. Any good player would Also, my 1v1 record? I played random last season and that means shit all, I dicked around and off-raced. I have other accounts and smurfs I play on. Panning through fog like that, really doesn't tell you much, i could be seeing what structures that person has, doesnt mean I am necessarily maphacking. --; This season I can post a entire replay pack of my 1v1 games and I encourage everyone to go through them THOROUGHLY and tell me if I'm map hacking at all. Comparing last season with this one is also ridiculous. The player who made this report also messaged me in game. Goes by the name of PaRaSiTe, his record last season for 1v1 was 30-62, and this season hes like 73-8 or something? Can we make the same assumption? I have justification for all my accounts, and I also stream my gameplay... I think that is more proof then what this replay says. And the only reason I'm being so defensive about this is because I don't want my name tainted because ONE person thinks I'm maphacking in a 2v2 game.. where teams dont really matter to me. http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/3162105/PaRaSiTehttp://www.sc2ranks.com/us/774764/JasonXI have over 3500 games played, compared to his 432. I have more experience and game sense. What about all the 1v1's I've played? I'm sure those players have gone through their replays. This replay above is not conclusive and factual enough to assign someone the name that they are a 'maphacker'. As it can permanently destroy an individuals name. This accusation is silly and I hope all who read this analyze these replays. Here are some notable replays of me playing vs. some pros. Game vs. pro-gamer Major (aka. NoNge) ----> http://drop.sc/51091Game vs. pro-gamer TSLPolt (PoltPrime) ----> http://drop.sc/51092Game vs. pro-gamer LiquidTyler ----> http://drop.sc/51093Game vs. pro-gamer FXOpTiKzErO ----> http://drop.sc/51094Please, I encourage you to go through those and detect of any hacks. I can post many more. I request that admins go through my replays and come to a conclusion. This is embarassing to me and my team and I'll apologize for that in advance. I hope this gets resolved soon. Thanks EDIT** : It has come to my attention that the uploader of the original replay is a user who goes by the name of jp305.
After googling "jp305" the top search links to this ---> http://www.valiantchaos.com/vbforums/member.php?51-Jp305
The player is Josh Price, also known as Sorcery. That website is for a well known pay2use maphack. Which explains the horribly record from last season compared to the new gosu one this season on the character PaRaSiTe (the character that kept messaging me in game saying that I hack). Sorcery has been a known hacker, a confirmed hacker, and has publicly admitted to it as well.
I took a screenshot of the uploader and replay as well, in the event he decides to remove it.
Coincidence? You be the judge.
jasonx is a hacker.
How to find it? Camera lock his vision and leave the production tab open.
What will you find?
JasonX vs. TSL_Polt When he scouts with reaper he sees a Tech lab initially, but has NO INTEREST what so ever on what the tech lab is attached to. When a significant tech path is laid down according to the production tab, he immediately scouts and sees that it's a banshee and sees that cloak is being researched. He throws down a engineering bay immediately (obviously, since his reaper scouted cloak banshee). Note that Polt CANCELLED cloak shortly after and since JasonX is production tab hacking he doesn't throw down any missle turrets DESPITE making the engineering bay. When the banshee harass is about to come, JasonX unloads his marines from the bunker BEFORE he sees where the banshee is. He did see a scan go down in his base, though. But what made it super obvious was he unloaded marines before he saw the actual banshee and wouldn't any NORMAL/DECENT player put the marines to defend the mineral line, not some random location in the base where the banshee happens to go. Other obvious tidbits from that game is that he marine drops the tanks exactly when the marines were out of position and when he takes a small pack of units and goes into Polts 3rd exactly when it landed.
JasonX vs. LiquidTyler Never scouted/scanned Tylers tech path and opened blind ghost against twilight-centric play, okay not THAT suspicious but check out when Tylers Robo Bay is going down and JasonX immediately RANDOMLY starts viking production. JasonX did do a drop in Tylers base when the robo bay was going down, but he didn't scout it all AND he sees no e evidence of Robo tech path (obs, warp prisms or immortals). Lastly the last fight is blatant as hell, he sent 1 medivac to create a diversion, didn't even see if tyler would respond to it and blind stimmed into tylers 3rd without fear of being out of position, i urge any player to watch any decent/GM/korea terran, they always scan ahead of the army (or send 1 stimmed marine) to make sure they're not being caught out of position by chargelot/archon/HTs because that is potentially game ending. jasonX never scans because he's' never caught out of position. In reference to the diversion drop, he committed with the stim on his main army BEFORE he could see on the minimap that Tyler send all his chargelots to deal with it.
I didn't watch the vs NoNge or vs. Optikzero replays yet, but I'm sure you'll find very interesting things if you leave production tab open and just lock on to his camera. Note that every hacker in every game will do borderline stupid stuff that makes no sense to make it seem like they don't hack, i.e. drop into missile turret'd area just to reference that when people accuse them -- "oh look at that time i just lost my medivac to a missile turret" so don't buy that bullshit and you'll see who obviously hacks. There is ways to hack without looking through fog of war, production tab hack and minimap hack BOTH of which enable JasonX to counter every build blindly and never get out of position. That's how a 1400 mid master player like him goes to the top of the ladder the next season, cause he started hacking.
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On November 04 2011 00:29 name_lock wrote: jasonx is a hacker.
How to find it? Camera lock his vision and leave the production tab open.
What will you find?
JasonX vs. TSL_Polt When he scouts with reaper he sees a Tech lab initially, but has NO INTEREST what so ever on what the tech lab is attached to. When a significant tech path is laid down according to the production tab, he immediately scouts and sees that it's a banshee and sees that cloak is being researched. He throws down a engineering bay immediately (obviously, since his reaper scouted cloak banshee). Note that Polt CANCELLED cloak shortly after and since JasonX is production tab hacking he doesn't throw down any missle turrets DESPITE making the engineering bay. When the banshee harass is about to come, JasonX unloads his marines from the bunker BEFORE he sees where the banshee is. He did see a scan go down in his base, though. But what made it super obvious was he unloaded marines before he saw the actual banshee and wouldn't any NORMAL/DECENT player put the marines to defend the mineral line, not some random location in the base where the banshee happens to go. Other obvious tidbits from that game is that he marine drops the tanks exactly when the marines were out of position and when he takes a small pack of units and goes into Polts 3rd exactly when it landed.
Though not definitive proof of said player hacking, this description raises SOME questions, but in the end it isn't enough to convict. The attack on the third was either game sense, dumb luck, or legitimate reason to question him. As far as the unloading of the bunker, it's not as cut and dry as you make it. For all we know, he could be bringing them back because of a certain timing or because the scan prompted him to. They were close to where the banshee came, but not THAT close to warrant proof of hacking. The drop on Polt's tanks was intriguing, but I still have to play devil's advocate and state that this guy needs to fuck up more in order to actually see whether or not he is actually hacking or just a lucky son of a bitch when he decides to carry out his game plans.
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Ladder Server: EU Your Name: saromar Hacker Name: rocky (http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2183968/1/Rocky/) Replay: http://drop.sc/52719 Description: Blink micro hack. Throughout the game impossible blink micro. Most obvious @18:51, where his apm jumps to 660, and he blinks stalkers without even selecting them. He has been reported in the season 2 thread for map hacking. In my replay there are also signs of minimap hacking, he always seems to know where my army is: @8:00 he selects and positions his army right before he can see me. @9:15 he knows exactly where my 2 scouting lings are @10:40 nice intercept on reinforcements, good forcefields, but nothing impossible @12:30 attacking directly into my army, whitout seeing it @14:02 moving to intercept my army, going back when my army retreats. @14:40 attacking into my army without knowing where it is. @17:50 moving army in position @20:00 moving army in position There is no staring into the fog at all.
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On November 04 2011 03:34 saromar wrote:Ladder Server: EU Your Name: saromar Hacker Name: rocky (http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2183968/1/Rocky/) Replay: http://drop.sc/52719Description: Blink micro hack. Throughout the game impossible blink micro. Most obvious @18:51, where his apm jumps to 660, and he blinks stalkers without even selecting them. He has been reported in the season 2 thread for map hacking, but in my replay he doesn't seem to be using a map hack.
It seems like this guy has some sort of Auto-Blink hack or something because his stalkers were blinking away one at a time when he was looking at his base. I'd have to say confirmed on this one.
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JasonX is a hacker. Hes just good at hiding it. Kids so suspicious. When you cant decide then most likely some1 is hacking.
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On November 04 2011 08:28 RastaMonsta wrote: JasonX is a hacker. Hes just good at hiding it. Kids so suspicious. When you cant decide then most likely some1 is hacking.
Sounds like you're upset that he is better than you.
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On November 04 2011 08:28 RastaMonsta wrote: JasonX is a hacker. Hes just good at hiding it. Kids so suspicious. When you cant decide then most likely some1 is hacking.
Would you like to be a defendant in a criminal trial with that same logic?
Not proved to be hacking beyond a reasonable doubt, thus as far as anyone rational in this thread is concerned: he is innocent of the accusations you have made.
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I just played a zerg named "Tastetosis" who did some interesting moves as Zerg. Map was Shakuras.
1) I block his ramp with 3 pylons, he cancels his hatch. Sounds normal, except that when you watch the replay he had no vision of the pylons. Must have been good game sense... 2) Around 7 minutes after my FFE I drop twilight and 3 more gates. After TC I went for DT shrine. From the watch-tower I noticed that with his army of roaches he had an overseer. I cancel my DT shrine. I watched the replay and shortly after dropping the shrine he made no less than 5 overseers. Completely standard. 3) I controlled the watch towers early so my probe could plant some pylons around the place without detection. I plant two to start with, one at the 11 o-clock angle just out of range of the top tower, and one at the 5 o-clock angle just out of range of the bottom tower. Shortly after he accumulates an army of roaches, he rallies his army into the fog exactly onto one pylon, then the other. Must have been good game sense of knowing where my pylons would be. 4) I built another pylon at his not-yet-built 4th. When he goes for the 4th, he builds the hatch and then rallies his army again directly to my pylon (in the fog). Great game sense. 5) He had corruptors at our first (and last) engagement. I didn't think much of it at first but when I watched the replay, I noticed that he dropped the spire just after I started my colossus den. Great game sense right there, and amazing knowledge of timings.
Not once did his camera pan to my base though. From the pylon kills alone it is blatently obvious that he had some sort of hack going on. This guy was in master league. Bronze season 1, bronze season 2, top diamond season 3, now master season 4. Unfortunately for him, hacks don't help you with army composition and I completely rolled him.
Replay
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Checked it out, and although I cannot say 100% that he is map hacking, it sure apears that way, especially when he scrolls over to your base numerous times. Props to you though for throwing a gg after that though.
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I watched this one as well, and I don't think its a hack. He scouted early and saw your probe come out of your base at the ramp. Although the heading directly to your base is suspicous, its shakuras, and there is a 50% chance of scouting right the first time.
Edited for Grammer.
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On November 04 2011 10:36 Mstring wrote:I just played a zerg named "Tastetosis" who did some interesting moves as Zerg. Map was Shakuras. 1) I block his ramp with 3 pylons, he cancels his hatch. Sounds normal, except that when you watch the replay he had no vision of the pylons. Must have been good game sense... 2) Around 7 minutes after my FFE I drop twilight and 3 more gates. After TC I went for DT shrine. From the watch-tower I noticed that with his army of roaches he had an overseer. I cancel my DT shrine. I watched the replay and shortly after dropping the shrine he made no less than 5 overseers. Completely standard. 3) I controlled the watch towers early so my probe could plant some pylons around the place without detection. I plant two to start with, one at the 11 o-clock angle just out of range of the top tower, and one at the 5 o-clock angle just out of range of the bottom tower. Shortly after he accumulates an army of roaches, he rallies his army into the fog exactly onto one pylon, then the other. Must have been good game sense of knowing where my pylons would be. 4) I built another pylon at his not-yet-built 4th. When he goes for the 4th, he builds the hatch and then rallies his army again directly to my pylon (in the fog). Great game sense. 5) He had corruptors at our first (and last) engagement. I didn't think much of it at first but when I watched the replay, I noticed that he dropped the spire just after I started my colossus den. Great game sense right there, and amazing knowledge of timings. Not once did his camera pan to my base though. From the pylon kills alone it is blatently obvious that he had some sort of hack going on. This guy was in master league. Bronze season 1, bronze season 2, top diamond season 3, now master season 4. Unfortunately for him, hacks don't help you with army composition and I completely rolled him. Replay
This one is tough to call. Some of the pylon kills and timings are really lucky, but the fact that he let a probe sit by his natural Mineral line for a while is odd, and the fact that he missed the pylon right underneath his overlord is really odd. And if he knew that your army was there for the final battle he would of never engaged there, since it is a horrible position for him (He might just be bad though). Plus, he might have just reacted to seeing the two early gasses at the natural by making overseers, Something odd is going on, I just can't call it.....
Edited for grammer because I am horrible.
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On November 05 2011 12:24 Peanut Butter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 10:36 Mstring wrote:I just played a zerg named "Tastetosis" who did some interesting moves as Zerg. Map was Shakuras. 1) I block his ramp with 3 pylons, he cancels his hatch. Sounds normal, except that when you watch the replay he had no vision of the pylons. Must have been good game sense... 2) Around 7 minutes after my FFE I drop twilight and 3 more gates. After TC I went for DT shrine. From the watch-tower I noticed that with his army of roaches he had an overseer. I cancel my DT shrine. I watched the replay and shortly after dropping the shrine he made no less than 5 overseers. Completely standard. 3) I controlled the watch towers early so my probe could plant some pylons around the place without detection. I plant two to start with, one at the 11 o-clock angle just out of range of the top tower, and one at the 5 o-clock angle just out of range of the bottom tower. Shortly after he accumulates an army of roaches, he rallies his army into the fog exactly onto one pylon, then the other. Must have been good game sense of knowing where my pylons would be. 4) I built another pylon at his not-yet-built 4th. When he goes for the 4th, he builds the hatch and then rallies his army again directly to my pylon (in the fog). Great game sense. 5) He had corruptors at our first (and last) engagement. I didn't think much of it at first but when I watched the replay, I noticed that he dropped the spire just after I started my colossus den. Great game sense right there, and amazing knowledge of timings. Not once did his camera pan to my base though. From the pylon kills alone it is blatently obvious that he had some sort of hack going on. This guy was in master league. Bronze season 1, bronze season 2, top diamond season 3, now master season 4. Unfortunately for him, hacks don't help you with army composition and I completely rolled him. Replay This one is tough to call. Some of the pylon kills and timings are really lucky, but the fact that he let a probe sit by his natural Mineral line for a while is odd, and the fact that he missed the pylon right underneath his overlord is really odd. And if he knew that your army was there for the final battle he would of never engaged there, since it is a horrible position for him (He might just be bad though). Plus, he might have just reacted to seeing the two early gasses at the natural by making overseers, Something odd is going on, I just can't call it..... Edited for grammer because I am horrible.
All 3 pylons were in the fog. Normal zergs send lings around to find the pylons; he simply sent his army directly to my pylon, three times.
I think the mistakes you saw are the result of him simply being a terrible player. I don't think he was using a "maphack" in the sense of full map vision, but rather, the observer-panel hack which lets you reveal the map by pressing a button (i.e. going into 'everyone' mode). You could gain a sufficient advantage with the production tab alone. I looked at the build orders in his game history and it is very telling. Always has the counter build order.
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Server: EU Your Name: Spender Hacker Name: Zelthcon; http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1361059/1/Zelthcon/ Replay: irrelevant, not a maphack. Description: This guy is using a "results disagree" hack. After beating him on ladder my match history shows a loss with no points lost, same as his match history. Also check his bnet profile. Main page of his profile shows 11 games played and 4 games won and ranks him as a "random" player. His league page shows him as a protoss player. Match history shows mostly "loss", "tie" or "left" while loosing no points. Now compare this to screenshots from his bnet profile in game: + Show Spoiler + After searching on TL i found a thread about this very person. It was posted about a month ago. What is surprising to me is that he still wasn't banned.
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Can we make a season 4 version of this? I need to show a replay
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Ladder Server: NA Your Name: pryda Hacker Name: Eaer Replay: Ladder Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/15065 Description: proxys me on antgia without scouting looks at my main about 3 times as he goes to push up with his zealots he pulls them back for a sec as my stalker was walking to the ramp to catch it off guard
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@Mstring. I have to say I agree with you. Although the a-move wasn't directly on the pylons, it was close enough. He was either really lucky or had inside knowledge. Unfortunatly for him, map hacks do not make one good as macro/micro.
@Kroml: I think that they are using this database for half of season 4 since they shortened the seasons.
@IamPryda: Watched your replay (Because I had a few spare moments) and I am going to have to saw not enough evidence unforunatly. He does camera-pan twice over your base and proxies in the right direction, but considering he was afk for about 2 min at the start of the game, he might have just gone "Screw it" and proxied a random location. I didn't see the stalker ambush though; I think he was just waiting for that 4th zealot to pop. Someone else should take a look at this to see if this is really a maphack.
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Server: NA Your Name: ePParamedico Hacker Name: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/884547/1/Roscoe/ Replay: Ladder Replay: http://drop.sc/53461 Description: Sends lings exactly to probe location before overlord even sees it. Look through the fog of war at my buildings multiple times. Moves to intercept stalkers that have blinked down immediately. Intercepts a probe coming down the ramp multiple times without having any vision of it moving down, and looks at the ramp area before he does it. Has perfect timing for spore crawlers just as my DT starts. I think this guy was also a confirmed hacker in previous seasons too.
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On November 07 2011 09:50 ItsYoungLee wrote:Server: NA Your Name: ePParamedico Hacker Name: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/884547/1/Roscoe/Replay: Ladder Replay: http://drop.sc/53461Description: Sends lings exactly to probe location before overlord even sees it. Look through the fog of war at my buildings multiple times. Moves to intercept stalkers that have blinked down immediately. Intercepts a probe coming down the ramp multiple times without having any vision of it moving down, and looks at the ramp area before he does it. Has perfect timing for spore crawlers just as my DT starts. I think this guy was also a confirmed hacker in previous seasons too.
Two of us have already reported him for Season 4 a couple of pages back =/
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Server: NA Your Name: Panther.779 Hacker Name: iRLProAnnn Replay: http://sc2upload.dyndns.org/replays/Panther/1320655548-iRLProAnnnMapHacker.SC2Replay
Description: I'm a middle/high masters player, and I wouldn't write a post unless I was sure.The map is on Antiga Shipyard, he goes immediately to my base, without even scouting any of my buildings. I can understand a proxy 2 gate if you manage to get a GLIMPSE of mining minerals that I had, but he didn't even do that.
I looked at his Match History, he just played against RevSoda a minute ago, and did the exact same Proxy 2 gate. I'm PM'ing RevSoda to see if he can give me his replay as well.
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5064/proxy2gate.jpg
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I'm trying to upload a replay of a hacker, and I keep getting "There was an error parsing your replay" on more than one replay site?
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On November 08 2011 00:18 Soliduok wrote: I'm trying to upload a replay of a hacker, and I keep getting "There was an error parsing your replay" on more than one replay site?
This is most likely caused by a glitch in the replay. Some hacks corrupt the replay file, thus making it impossible to see if the person was hacking or not. Can you watch the replay in SC2?
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On November 08 2011 05:23 Peanut Butter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 00:18 Soliduok wrote: I'm trying to upload a replay of a hacker, and I keep getting "There was an error parsing your replay" on more than one replay site? This is most likely caused by a glitch in the replay. Some hacks corrupt the replay file, thus making it impossible to see if the person was hacking or not. Can you watch the replay in SC2?
Yea I can. And this is what I was thinking as well, that because the player was hacking it has caused the replay to be corrupt and therefor not able to be parsed. I wasn't sure if it was paranoia or a legitimate concern.
I am a mid masters player and have only encountered hackers twice before, and both were drop hackers (I rarely watch my replays because I like to give people the benefit of the doubt if I have suspicions, and can't be bothered). But in this case the player was DavidLynch who blindly three pylon walled me in on a 4 player map, without scouting and without spotting any overlords, drones, or creep. I also wasn't streaming.
I would really like to know if anyone else had concerns with this player, and if so, to come forward.
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This thread and the moderators of this thread have become a joke. No updates in over 2 months. If you guys are "too busy" to be focusing on this there shouldnt be a thread for this or there should be other people reviewing and moding this thread. Get your shit together seriously.
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On November 09 2011 00:14 RastaMonsta wrote: This thread and the moderators of this thread have become a joke. No updates in over 2 months. If you guys are "too busy" to be focusing on this there shouldnt be a thread for this or there should be other people reviewing and moding this thread. Get your shit together seriously.
Lololol it's super funny because i made a critical post pertaining to this issue exactly 2 months and 2 days ago, and for being negative about it i get a warning and am told they are "working on reassessing how to approach things" lol two months later there hasn't even been any UPDATES, much less any actual progress. i reinforce my previous suggestion of closing this laughing stock of a thread.
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Region: SEA me: BioTech hacker: BooMsLang Replays: its the 2 latest replays on this site
Twice in a row in two 4v4 games. This player looks at area (covered by the Fog of War) where nydus is building (@ 6:20) before the sound has occured. This in isolation could be feasible. However, in the 2nd replay he spends an inordinate amount of time viewing areas covered by the FofW.
At 7:08 he spends too long looking at the southern Xel Naga tower which his team DOESNT hold, but mine did.
At 7:28-7:36 he looks at my base which is covered by the FOW, he doesnt know I have a Starport, (but its reasonable to assume I would by this time). Nevertheless its uncanny that his stalkers arrive at 7:54 to precisely greet my dropships. Im 95% sure this guy is a hacker.
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On November 07 2011 17:52 Panther.779 wrote:Server: NA Your Name: Panther.779 Hacker Name: iRLProAnnn Replay: http://sc2upload.dyndns.org/replays/Panther/1320655548-iRLProAnnnMapHacker.SC2ReplayDescription: I'm a middle/high masters player, and I wouldn't write a post unless I was sure.The map is on Antiga Shipyard, he goes immediately to my base, without even scouting any of my buildings. I can understand a proxy 2 gate if you manage to get a GLIMPSE of mining minerals that I had, but he didn't even do that. I looked at his Match History, he just played against RevSoda a minute ago, and did the exact same Proxy 2 gate. I'm PM'ing RevSoda to see if he can give me his replay as well. http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5064/proxy2gate.jpg
I am going to have to say Yes to this one, although I am still new at this. Staring at someone's base without scouting it in the first minute is kind of a dead giveaway. Were you able to get the relay from RevSoda? If it is the same situation then I bet that this guy is a map hacker.
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Ladder Server: NA Your Name: MasterTater Hacker Name: Attora http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2907815/1/Attora/ Replays: http://drop.sc/55558, http://drop.sc/55557
Played a game against a toss where I thought the game was over after a successful 4 gate attack. Somehow managed to pull through, so I watched the replay to see how and watched a bit through his vision, saw him centering his camera around my base despite being in the fog (he had observer and never even attempted to use it to scout). So I re-watched it from his vision and it's pretty obvious he was hacking in my opinion. http://drop.sc/55558 There's a lot of times he moves his camera through my base despite having no vision, or centers on the bulk of my army. Wont list them all since you can just watch replay at 8x speed and see it's pretty frequently.
15:50 He looks at a random area with no vision in my base where my completed spire is, immediately throws down 2 cannons in mineral line.
17:55 He moves his camera to a seemingly random location, happens to be centered right over top of my moving mutas. He even sends down his stalker from the tower to intercept them.
~28:00 I move out, he sets up his army as though he knows the engagement is about to occur despite having no vision. Centers his camera slightly out of range of his actual vision right where my army is.
That was a couple days ago. Today, again, I play a toss and after a successful cannon rush that I thought set me far behind I end up winning and watch the replay. After watching the replay I come to the conclusion that he was map hacking without realizing it was the same guy until after the fact. http://drop.sc/55557
Up until the first minute and a half you can see him putting his camera over my base, first right before deciding to have a low ground pylon and again before deciding to go forge first. Again this game he constantly scans my base through the fog despite not once the entire game getting actual vision of my main.
13:05 He places his camera over my hidden expansion (which has been up for awhile), immediately grabs the majority of his army and sends them to it.
13:39 Grabs his phoenix to intercept my overseer about a second before it actually enters his vision - Jedi reaction right there
He also keeps tab on my army. At 16:20 he places camera overtop of it, 17:12 right as I move out he places his camera over top of my army again. 17:52 he places camera just outside his vision where my army is and gets ready for the engagement about half a second before my roaches actually reach his vision.
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Ladder Server: EU Your Name: iMColoursz Hacker Name: CHUCKBORRIS Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/15256 Well he doesn't scout me but goes for a timing attack must see that it doesn't work so he runs back to his base( my guess is he looked at his product tab) then continues to not scout me but then expands... still doesn't see my tech or even my unit choices but goes mass marauder with ghosts, while i went ht archon charglot so just watch the replay its pretty obvious also another sign is he seemed pretty defensive of trying not to convince me he wasn't a maphacker so he chatted me for a long time/
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sorry if im not allowed to post here like this in response + Show Spoiler +Ladder Server: EU Your Name: iMColoursz Hacker Name: CHUCKBORRIS Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/15256Well he doesn't scout me but goes for a timing attack must see that it doesn't work so he runs back to his base( my guess is he looked at his product tab) then continues to not scout me but then expands... still doesn't see my tech or even my unit choices but goes mass marauder with ghosts, while i went ht archon charglot so just watch the replay its pretty obvious also another sign is he seemed pretty defensive of trying not to convince me he wasn't a maphacker so he chatted me for a long time/
just wanted to note you placed 1 too many R in my name even on Bnet its only "chuckboris" also im also highly curious to hear you guys respond xD as i work and play from a netcafe where we are a few people enjoying the hilarity factor (no offense VPvortex, i cry all the time when i lose so i can relate)
edit: about the chatting thats not nice! i was responding yo, you're making it seem like i pressed the conversation xD
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On November 09 2011 01:24 Clouttt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 00:14 RastaMonsta wrote: This thread and the moderators of this thread have become a joke. No updates in over 2 months. If you guys are "too busy" to be focusing on this there shouldnt be a thread for this or there should be other people reviewing and moding this thread. Get your shit together seriously. Lololol it's super funny because i made a critical post pertaining to this issue exactly 2 months and 2 days ago, and for being negative about it i get a warning and am told they are "working on reassessing how to approach things" lol two months later there hasn't even been any UPDATES, much less any actual progress. i reinforce my previous suggestion of closing this laughing stock of a thread.
Lol, previously I backed up the people who control this thread but honestly its obvious this has been abandoned
personally I've come to the conclusion that nothing will be done about SC2 hackers because not only for the last 2 months has anything been done but even before that its clear that blizzard doesn't care (ie Lone, deezer, sorcery and anyone else who paid $$ for hacks are still playing despite obvious proof in this thread and others that they're hack users. Gr8 job warden).
This series of threads should be closed. Hackers are bad but making an illusion that people actually care to stop them just does a disservice to the community.
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Server: NA Your Name:vVvStarkad Hacker Name: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2386524/1/DavidLynch/ Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/15260 Description: In this game DavidLynch did not scout my army composition or my production but none the less made the perfect army composition to stop it. As well during multiple engagements he would not see the push coming or would send a ling out at the perfect time. He also leaves games in his match history at the 5 second mark to look like he actually loses.
5:43 Ling leave watch tower before hellions appear from fog of war 10:06:he waits for hellions to come out of fog to surround with lings he actually looks at fog and has lings selected for no other real explainable reason 10:38 he sees the push coming before fog 12:34 Sends lings to main before seeing drop 13:38 Sends ling at perfect time to see push then engages knowing my path 14:06 Moves units to stop drop before he sees it 16:18 Engages my army even though he does not see it coming 18:15 Does it again 19:30 Does it again 20:45 Does it again
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The fact SGTofluck aka "oGsNada" was let off the hook shows you guys are WAY better off making a thread in the battle.net forums. He had what, 10 different people accuse him with decent proof?
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EDIT: Talked to DoctaD.
@ RastaMonsta, well known hacker? I've only had false accusations in which I defended my point firmly.
please get more evidence before you start confirming people are hackers.
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Yeah its pretty known that JasonX is a hacker already, he has too many suspicious and many blatant moves in multiple replays. No need to discuss any further
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Server: NA Your Name:MucKeE Hacker Name: Subsin Replay: http://drop.sc/58241 Description: Before overlords even cross (if close position) he looks at where my base is and rallies his main to my base.
:25 - Rallies to my base and overlords, if close position, would not have crossed eachother
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Baltimore, USA22219 Posts
Closed by request of the OP.
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