http://i.imgur.com/8AhEc.jpg
black is a german carry player on mouz, now switching to sc2
a link of interviews at the bottom
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Black^
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shekyeung
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http://i.imgur.com/8AhEc.jpg black is a german carry player on mouz, now switching to sc2 a link of interviews at the bottom http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Black^ | ||
LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
Isn't BabyKnight one of the only real Dota->Sc2 players that's had much of any success? | ||
BEARDiaguz
Australia2362 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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Leeoku
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Cinim
Denmark866 Posts
On December 14 2012 11:05 LuckyFool wrote: switching to sc2 from dota2 is alot harder than going the other way around unfortunately. Isn't BabyKnight one of the only real Dota->Sc2 players that's had much of any success? Yea, Babyknight is the only pro dota player to get into sc2 professionally | ||
Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
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ETisME
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lumencryster
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MetalPanda
Canada1152 Posts
On December 14 2012 11:05 LuckyFool wrote: switching to sc2 from dota2 is alot harder than going the other way around unfortunately. Isn't BabyKnight one of the only real Dota->Sc2 players that's had much of any success? Ya, I think so. Scarlett was pretty good at DotA, but she wasn't really playing tournaments or anything. | ||
Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
On December 14 2012 11:05 LuckyFool wrote: switching to sc2 from dota2 is alot harder than going the other way around unfortunately. Isn't BabyKnight one of the only real Dota->Sc2 players that's had much of any success? What about Select? He even went back after sc2. | ||
Exoteric
Australia2330 Posts
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Testuser
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On December 14 2012 11:05 LuckyFool wrote: switching to sc2 from dota2 is alot harder than going the other way around unfortunately. Isn't BabyKnight one of the only real Dota->Sc2 players that's had much of any success? SeleCT I believe. Xenocider (pretty high GM) is also a former Dota player. | ||
AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On December 14 2012 11:10 Glurkenspurk wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 11:05 LuckyFool wrote: switching to sc2 from dota2 is alot harder than going the other way around unfortunately. Isn't BabyKnight one of the only real Dota->Sc2 players that's had much of any success? What about Select? He even went back after sc2. Wasn't Select mainly a C&C player though? Or am I thinking of the wrong RTS? | ||
opterown
Australia54643 Posts
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Sub40APM
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R3DT1D3
285 Posts
On December 14 2012 11:14 forsooth wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 11:10 Glurkenspurk wrote: On December 14 2012 11:05 LuckyFool wrote: switching to sc2 from dota2 is alot harder than going the other way around unfortunately. Isn't BabyKnight one of the only real Dota->Sc2 players that's had much of any success? What about Select? He even went back after sc2. Wasn't Select mainly a C&C player though? Or am I thinking of the wrong RTS? Dawn of War is where he was the highest ranked. He won a couple WCG's playing it. | ||
AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On December 14 2012 11:14 forsooth wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 11:10 Glurkenspurk wrote: On December 14 2012 11:05 LuckyFool wrote: switching to sc2 from dota2 is alot harder than going the other way around unfortunately. Isn't BabyKnight one of the only real Dota->Sc2 players that's had much of any success? What about Select? He even went back after sc2. Wasn't Select mainly a C&C player though? Or am I thinking of the wrong RTS? He was a WCG champion in two different games, IIRC, but the RTS was Dawn of War? | ||
MVega
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
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Snorkle
United States1648 Posts
On December 14 2012 11:14 forsooth wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 11:10 Glurkenspurk wrote: On December 14 2012 11:05 LuckyFool wrote: switching to sc2 from dota2 is alot harder than going the other way around unfortunately. Isn't BabyKnight one of the only real Dota->Sc2 players that's had much of any success? What about Select? He even went back after sc2. Wasn't Select mainly a C&C player though? Or am I thinking of the wrong RTS? Select has played a bit of everything. Dota and dawn of war into sc2 and now back into dota 2. I don't know if he had any career in C&C but I wouldn't be surprised if he did. | ||
iggiafrica
Canada1 Post
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
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Skullflower
United States3779 Posts
On December 14 2012 11:14 forsooth wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 11:10 Glurkenspurk wrote: On December 14 2012 11:05 LuckyFool wrote: switching to sc2 from dota2 is alot harder than going the other way around unfortunately. Isn't BabyKnight one of the only real Dota->Sc2 players that's had much of any success? What about Select? He even went back after sc2. Wasn't Select mainly a C&C player though? Or am I thinking of the wrong RTS? He played Dawn of War. Apollo won WCG for C&C though | ||
CeriseCherries
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Slardar
Canada7592 Posts
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Tidus Mino
United Kingdom1108 Posts
He played WC3 for 3 years, competing with some semi-pro teams, so he isn't new to RTS | ||
Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
On December 14 2012 11:15 Sub40APM wrote: is this more of equivalent of fruitdealer or coca switching to lol from sc2 or more of a destiny switching to lol? A Coca, he is on one of the bigger name teams in Europe, and is a good player in his own right. | ||
SYLKi
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
EDIT: WW manager has said that it isn't decided yet, I hope he stays with Mouz and DotA because he is successful there. | ||
Ollie
United States144 Posts
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Volskies
Australia41 Posts
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
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pOriishan
45 Posts
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mbsupermario
United States101 Posts
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ReignSupreme.
Australia4123 Posts
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thatsundowner
Canada312 Posts
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Daumen
Germany1073 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
...Which means SC2 is now saved and Dota2 is a dying game. Whew, thank you Mr. Black Knight. | ||
Chewbacca.
United States3633 Posts
On December 14 2012 11:51 thatsundowner wrote: going from a 1v5 game to a 1v1 game should benefit him greatly I guess I don't understand the joke. | ||
Master of DalK
Canada1789 Posts
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On December 14 2012 11:35 docvoc wrote: Don't want to be a downer but he has little to no shot. Of all the people that have come from DotA, Babyknight is the only one with success. Now let's put that into perspective, I don't think anyone would rank Babyknight in the top 10 foreigners, maybe top 25-50, but not 10. He is the only successful DotA -> SC2 convert also. Babyknight is a great player, but I think that switching from LoL or DotA to SC2 just doesn't work as well, the games require such different skills that it would seem very difficult for people to switch over. EDIT: WW manager has said that it isn't decided yet, I hope he stays with Mouz and DotA because he is successful there. cause it is about what game u played before and not how much you practice. | ||
crms
United States11933 Posts
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dartoo
India2889 Posts
On December 14 2012 11:54 Chewbacca. wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 11:51 thatsundowner wrote: going from a 1v5 game to a 1v1 game should benefit him greatly I guess I don't understand the joke. He's saying the team was on was so bad that he pretty much had to everything. a little surprising...maybe he just likes sc2 better than dota. | ||
rabidch
United States20285 Posts
On December 14 2012 11:57 dartoo wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 11:54 Chewbacca. wrote: On December 14 2012 11:51 thatsundowner wrote: going from a 1v5 game to a 1v1 game should benefit him greatly I guess I don't understand the joke. He's saying the team was on was so bad that he pretty much had to everything. a little surprising...maybe he just likes sc2 better than dota. pretty much how 13abyknight played the game as well. | ||
MDMA_
Canada265 Posts
On December 14 2012 11:57 dartoo wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 11:54 Chewbacca. wrote: On December 14 2012 11:51 thatsundowner wrote: going from a 1v5 game to a 1v1 game should benefit him greatly I guess I don't understand the joke. He's saying the team was on was so bad that he pretty much had to everything. a little surprising...maybe he just likes sc2 better than dota. no...what he is saying is Black was a CARRY player on mouz, used to pretty much playing 1v5 @ the end of games cuz thts his role hence 1v1 easier. | ||
Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On December 14 2012 12:01 MDMA_ wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 11:57 dartoo wrote: On December 14 2012 11:54 Chewbacca. wrote: On December 14 2012 11:51 thatsundowner wrote: going from a 1v5 game to a 1v1 game should benefit him greatly I guess I don't understand the joke. He's saying the team was on was so bad that he pretty much had to everything. a little surprising...maybe he just likes sc2 better than dota. no...what he is saying is Black was a CARRY player on mouz, used to pretty much playing 1v5 @ the end of games cuz thts his role hence 1v1 easier. Yeah, it sounds more like this. Well good luck to him, SC2 is a tough market right now though :/ | ||
Acronysis
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kju
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Mohdoo
United States15081 Posts
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
On December 14 2012 11:11 AgentW wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 11:05 LuckyFool wrote: switching to sc2 from dota2 is alot harder than going the other way around unfortunately. Isn't BabyKnight one of the only real Dota->Sc2 players that's had much of any success? SeleCT I believe. Xenocider (pretty high GM) is also a former Dota player. SeleCT was a top player in RTS long before he went to dota. High level amateur/semi-pro in WC3, 2x WCG champion DoW. I wonder how good black is though. Anyone have his ladder account ? | ||
zhurai
United States5660 Posts
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Tchado
Jordan1831 Posts
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ne0lith
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kabar
United States616 Posts
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hootsushi
Germany3468 Posts
On December 14 2012 11:52 Fionn wrote: So this is like Select going from SC2 to Dota2, right? ...Which means SC2 is now saved and Dota2 is a dying game. Whew, thank you Mr. Black Knight. He is the hero SC2 deserves. Best of luck to him, wonder what happens to mouz without him. | ||
lessQQmorePEWPEW
Jamaica921 Posts
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On December 14 2012 11:18 Snorkle wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 11:14 forsooth wrote: On December 14 2012 11:10 Glurkenspurk wrote: On December 14 2012 11:05 LuckyFool wrote: switching to sc2 from dota2 is alot harder than going the other way around unfortunately. Isn't BabyKnight one of the only real Dota->Sc2 players that's had much of any success? What about Select? He even went back after sc2. Wasn't Select mainly a C&C player though? Or am I thinking of the wrong RTS? Select has played a bit of everything. Dota and dawn of war into sc2 and now back into dota 2. I don't know if he had any career in C&C but I wouldn't be surprised if he did. he was also a high level war3 player too, but just switched to dow when it came out because it was easier i think? | ||
ne0lith
537 Posts
On December 14 2012 12:51 hootsushi wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 11:52 Fionn wrote: So this is like Select going from SC2 to Dota2, right? ...Which means SC2 is now saved and Dota2 is a dying game. Whew, thank you Mr. Black Knight. He is the hero SC2 deserves. Best of luck to him, wonder what happens to mouz without him. Kuroky is a really solid carry player so he could take over his role if he wanted but it all depends on who the fifth player will be to see who plays what. | ||
Haee
522 Posts
Anyways i honestly have to question Black's transition here, it wasn't a secret that black wouldn't participate during practice scrims so I really wonder how far sc2 will take him. best of luck regardless! | ||
Twilight Sparkle
Australia235 Posts
On December 14 2012 12:01 MDMA_ wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 11:57 dartoo wrote: On December 14 2012 11:54 Chewbacca. wrote: On December 14 2012 11:51 thatsundowner wrote: going from a 1v5 game to a 1v1 game should benefit him greatly I guess I don't understand the joke. He's saying the team was on was so bad that he pretty much had to everything. a little surprising...maybe he just likes sc2 better than dota. no...what he is saying is Black was a CARRY player on mouz, used to pretty much playing 1v5 @ the end of games cuz thts his role hence 1v1 easier. Specifically, he's the kind of carry player who just sits around and farms for 40 minutes while his time desperately tries to survive 4v5, then decides that he's got enough items and proceeds to roll over the entire enemy team single handedly. | ||
kochanfe
Micronesia1338 Posts
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Existor
Russian Federation4295 Posts
DDD switched sc2 to dota2 etc switched to real life Is it interesting to read? | ||
nomyx
United States2205 Posts
On December 14 2012 12:22 zhurai wrote: so... what race is he (also never heard of him. probably cause I don't follow dota2) Terran. He's the hero Terran deserves, but not the one it needs right now. | ||
ne0lith
537 Posts
On December 14 2012 13:51 nomyx wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 12:22 zhurai wrote: so... what race is he (also never heard of him. probably cause I don't follow dota2) Terran. He's the hero Terran deserves, but not the one it needs right now. Then he surely won't like to go for the lategame in SC2, I can tell you that. | ||
Liquid`Nazgul
22426 Posts
SC2/Dota are substantially different games that don't make for a very smooth transition. The main differences are the mechanical requirements of SC2, and the team aspect of Dota. The transition between both games is nothing like transitioning between BW/War3/SC2. Black is an incredible Dota player, which has a scene that is ready to blow up. As can be seen from SC2 it is important to be a part of this growth from the beginning. If you go to SC2 now and go back to Dota later you will have missed a very important part of the Dota growth. It will be much harder to establish yourself after. Both in terms of gaining fans, as well as getting back onto teams that have by then hopefully established themselves with solid squads. Likewise I would not advise an SC2 player to try and get into Dota now. Dota being a game where many of the top players have been playing for six years. It is very hard to get into from an SC2 mindset. I've seen plenty of players good at both games, but I've never seen someone be among the best in the world in both. If he has considered all of this and is following through on what feels right to him, more power to him. I wish Black all the luck in the world. | ||
PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
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Vaelone
Finland4400 Posts
Or maybe we're all wrong and we have the next Stephano in the making. | ||
EnumaAvalon
Philippines3613 Posts
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
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m3rciless
United States1476 Posts
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On December 14 2012 13:59 Za7oX wrote: who? Black. If you don't know who he is then you don't know much about Dota. He's been playing for a long, long time at a very high level. He's not been a stable member of a team since his days in TheShit and Online Kingdom, but he's been highly sought after and performed admirably as a standin for mousesports, absolute Legends, MYM, NEXT.kz, Zero, GamersLeague and basically every other major European or international team. He also played HoN at the highest level. He's 18 and has been playing Dota 1, HoN and Dota 2 basically continuously since 2005 or 2006. Absolutely sick player, easily the equal of BabyKnight in Dota 1. | ||
LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On December 14 2012 13:03 Twilight Sparkle wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 12:01 MDMA_ wrote: On December 14 2012 11:57 dartoo wrote: On December 14 2012 11:54 Chewbacca. wrote: On December 14 2012 11:51 thatsundowner wrote: going from a 1v5 game to a 1v1 game should benefit him greatly I guess I don't understand the joke. He's saying the team was on was so bad that he pretty much had to everything. a little surprising...maybe he just likes sc2 better than dota. no...what he is saying is Black was a CARRY player on mouz, used to pretty much playing 1v5 @ the end of games cuz thts his role hence 1v1 easier. Specifically, he's the kind of carry player who just sits around and farms for 40 minutes while his time desperately tries to survive 4v5, then decides that he's got enough items and proceeds to roll over the entire enemy team single handedly. Often he does this because he's a standin with either a language barrier or a lack of familiarity with teammates and styles. It's much easier to play 4-protect-1 lategame styles than it is to play more aggressive movement-based tactics with an incomplete team. He's quite capable of playing midgame solo heroes like TA and Pudge. | ||
Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
Most people don't know this but he's easily top 4 chen in europe, and understands support roles better than the people supporting him so its mega frustrating for him. If he really enjoys sc2 i guess he should switch, but dotas where he can be a esport impact player. Don't give up if you still like dota man, its just as hard to find a good group to play with among all the other shit. | ||
TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
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RUFinalBoss
United States266 Posts
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ChuCky.Ca
Canada2497 Posts
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OblivionMage
Canada377 Posts
Was this a joke? | ||
Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On December 14 2012 13:03 Twilight Sparkle wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 12:01 MDMA_ wrote: On December 14 2012 11:57 dartoo wrote: On December 14 2012 11:54 Chewbacca. wrote: On December 14 2012 11:51 thatsundowner wrote: going from a 1v5 game to a 1v1 game should benefit him greatly I guess I don't understand the joke. He's saying the team was on was so bad that he pretty much had to everything. a little surprising...maybe he just likes sc2 better than dota. no...what he is saying is Black was a CARRY player on mouz, used to pretty much playing 1v5 @ the end of games cuz thts his role hence 1v1 easier. Specifically, he's the kind of carry player who just sits around and farms for 40 minutes while his time desperately tries to survive 4v5, then decides that he's got enough items and proceeds to roll over the entire enemy team single handedly. Babyk was actually very similar in that respect. Then again he was also significantly better than Black. | ||
Csong
Canada396 Posts
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Serinox
Germany5224 Posts
On December 14 2012 14:53 Csong wrote: why switch to sc2 wouldnt LoL be a easier transition? Maybe, just maybe, he likes SC2 (shocking to imagine, I know). Anyway, good luck to him, I hope he sticks with mouz of course | ||
Kaitokid
Germany1327 Posts
On December 14 2012 14:58 Serinox wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 14:53 Csong wrote: why switch to sc2 wouldnt LoL be a easier transition? Maybe, just maybe, he likes SC2 (shocking to imagine, I know). Anyway, good luck to him, I hope he sticks with mouz of course he most likely just prefers 1v1 over a teamgame which is understandable | ||
LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On December 14 2012 14:51 Rebs wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 13:03 Twilight Sparkle wrote: On December 14 2012 12:01 MDMA_ wrote: On December 14 2012 11:57 dartoo wrote: On December 14 2012 11:54 Chewbacca. wrote: On December 14 2012 11:51 thatsundowner wrote: going from a 1v5 game to a 1v1 game should benefit him greatly I guess I don't understand the joke. He's saying the team was on was so bad that he pretty much had to everything. a little surprising...maybe he just likes sc2 better than dota. no...what he is saying is Black was a CARRY player on mouz, used to pretty much playing 1v5 @ the end of games cuz thts his role hence 1v1 easier. Specifically, he's the kind of carry player who just sits around and farms for 40 minutes while his time desperately tries to survive 4v5, then decides that he's got enough items and proceeds to roll over the entire enemy team single handedly. Babyk was actually very similar in that respect. Then again he was also significantly better than Black. Not at all. BabyK wasn't a hard carry player primarily; he was a solo. Doom Bringer, PotM and especially Shadow Fiend and Invoker - he and Dendi created the EW carry-voker build that got Alacrity nerfed - were his heroes. He played a bit of carry at times, but only in funky lineups. Baby was always in my opinion a bit overrated due to a number of temporary retirements and team breakups that happened when he was at his best. Fear had retired, Demon was inactive - or a sixth man for MYM - Loda had retired, Misery and Playmate were splitting time between carrying and soloing with Maelk, Lacoste and Demon and of the really good solo players only Dendi was still playing. That position was extremely weak, and LOST.EU lacked a stable roster or, frankly, an acceptable captain. Ducky frequently picked bizarre lineups with odd hero assignments, and he wasn't a high enough level player to contribute. So a lot of the time, LOST.Eu's matches turned into "can the three other players support Babyknight's Shadow Fiend enough to counteract Ducky's throws". | ||
S_SienZ
1878 Posts
On December 14 2012 12:26 Tchado wrote: ummm , correct me if I am wrong but did this guy ever play HoN ? for some reason his looks remind me of a player who played in Dreamhack HoN a few years ago and fucked up everyone in his group with his corrupted disciple and soul stealer play , is that him ? AAA ? He played HoN at DreamHack for Reason Gaming, they lost in the finals to fnatic. | ||
rasers
Sweden691 Posts
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Enzymatic
Canada1301 Posts
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TargA
Norway204 Posts
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
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Angel_
United States1617 Posts
I understand that getting in is hard and being successful is to, and if he's doing moderately well there's a better chance where he is, and I understand that we're oversaturated as is...but everything against it just sounds like an argument against NEW BLOOD getting into SC2 also. That's an argument I can't support at all. | ||
Talack
Canada2742 Posts
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
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Incomplet
United Kingdom1419 Posts
I don't know the guy but as an avid Sc2 fan, I welcome any pro trying his hardest to make it into the scene. | ||
YoucriedWolf
Sweden1456 Posts
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Sweetfrost
Sweden211 Posts
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laoji
United Kingdom382 Posts
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MangoMountain
Norway2044 Posts
On December 14 2012 16:54 YoucriedWolf wrote: Stay in dota black... This is koreatown. Then wouldn't dota be chinatown? | ||
Swish 41
Germany154 Posts
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
On December 14 2012 14:53 Csong wrote: why switch to sc2 wouldnt LoL be a easier transition? It's an easier transition for sure but I'm guessing he just likes SC2 better, you know, like most people in this forum. Hard to imagine not everyone going for the easiest money, I know... I wish him the best of luck and hope he is aware of just how much effort it takes to be competitive at SC2 but considering he's saying he's been practicing 8h/day he probably has an idea. There's a reason people generally don't switch to SC2 from other games and that reason is not because SC2 is "dieing". Good Luck! | ||
Disposition1989
Canada270 Posts
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On December 14 2012 16:29 Steveling wrote: Dota is a totally different beast than sc, that's why only like 2 people have played in a high level in both games, bad choise imo, but then he may be a rich guy so.. Like it matters what game you played before or whatever.... if you wanna go pro in a game you can do it with enough practice. he isn't limited now in SC2 just because he played doda. i never get this "logic" rofl.... | ||
raser
Norway301 Posts
On December 14 2012 18:21 rasers wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 16:29 Steveling wrote: Dota is a totally different beast than sc, that's why only like 2 people have played in a high level in both games, bad choise imo, but then he may be a rich guy so.. Like it matters what game you played before or whatever.... if you wanna go pro in a game you can do it with enough practice. he isn't limited now in SC2 just because he played doda. i never get this "logic" rofl.... i agree, seem people switch from quake to wow to sc2 to lol and been playing high end in each game, its just about practise, wanting to improve and actually enjoying the game | ||
opterown
Australia54643 Posts
On December 14 2012 18:21 rasers wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 16:29 Steveling wrote: Dota is a totally different beast than sc, that's why only like 2 people have played in a high level in both games, bad choise imo, but then he may be a rich guy so.. Like it matters what game you played before or whatever.... if you wanna go pro in a game you can do it with enough practice. he isn't limited now in SC2 just because he played doda. i never get this "logic" rofl.... but the skillset which he spent years on in MOBA-style games now is mostly useless in sc2. not saying that he will be crap at sc2, more than he's wasting potential in a growing game | ||
HolydaKing
21220 Posts
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fluidin
Singapore1084 Posts
iceiceice achieved considerably much more in DotA and SelecT significantly more in SC/other RTS's. | ||
Cinim
Denmark866 Posts
He started with wc3 when it came out, until dow was out, after which he said he had a break from progaming until sc2 beta was there, so there isn't really any time he could have been pro in it :p | ||
Zorkmid
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derpface
Sweden925 Posts
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Reap_
Brunei Darussalam760 Posts
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NuclearJudas
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JustPassingBy
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Finnz
United Kingdom260 Posts
If Black puts in the time he will get good just like everyone else who started playing starcraft 2. Show some support instead of being like "go back to dota...sc is too hard for you" this is not helping anyone... gl black | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
if Black ^ was one of these persons I hope he was playing SC2 because if he doesn't feel like practicing SC2 as much as Dota then its not going to go anywhere. Good luck to him anyway, possibly the best western carry apart from TC, Korok and Pajjkat who is now in China. | ||
dubRa
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
On December 14 2012 19:51 Finnz wrote: People need to stop being so stubborn about the "oh its impossible to switch to sc2 from another game its too hard" blablabla... If Black puts in the time he will get good just like everyone else who started playing starcraft 2. Show some support instead of being like "go back to dota...sc is too hard for you" this is not helping anyone... gl black The point is that without anything indicating that you will do well, then you will likely not. Whenever someone makes a post "Should I quit school to pursue progaming?", then the answer should likely be no because most people will fail. If you were a top BW player or WC3 player, then that drastically improves your odds of doing well in sc2 so it is not as far fetched for a BW or WC3 player saying they will go pro in SC2. However when a dota player says he will go pro in sc2, then the odds are stacked against him. And I don't follow DOTA2, but it seems black was pretty good at it and had a future in the scene, so it seems odd to throw that away for say a 10% chance of being a mid-tier EU pro. (The exact same thing obviously applies when a SC2 player quits to pursue a MOBA) Of course if he doesn't enjoy dota or for some other reason don't want to pursue that road, then it is okay to try, but he better have a plan for if his transition fails. | ||
rabidch
United States20285 Posts
On December 14 2012 19:02 Cinim wrote: Select wasn't really ever a pro in dota - he said he played it at a high level, but he probably just played it while he was wc3 pro or something? He started with wc3 when it came out, until dow was out, after which he said he had a break from progaming until sc2 beta was there, so there isn't really any time he could have been pro in it :p he played for some top NA teams, whatever that counts for since i dont remember anybody sponsoring those teams, but some of those players went on to relative "success" | ||
Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On December 14 2012 20:36 rabidch wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 19:02 Cinim wrote: Select wasn't really ever a pro in dota - he said he played it at a high level, but he probably just played it while he was wc3 pro or something? He started with wc3 when it came out, until dow was out, after which he said he had a break from progaming until sc2 beta was there, so there isn't really any time he could have been pro in it :p he played for some top NA teams, whatever that counts for since i dont remember anybody sponsoring those teams, but some of those players went on to relative "success" but as i remember way more known for being good in some other RTS like some of the best there, thats quite a difference | ||
WetSocks
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Evangelist
1246 Posts
On December 14 2012 13:55 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I really hope he has thought this through. The professional scene of SC2 is over saturated with more professionals than the it can handle. With the addition of the Kespa pros you can see that other professionals who can't cut it anymore are forced to quit. SC2/Dota are substantially different games that don't make for a very smooth transition. The main differences are the mechanical requirements of SC2, and the team aspect of Dota. The transition between both games is nothing like transitioning between BW/War3/SC2. Black is an incredible Dota player, which has a scene that is ready to blow up. As can be seen from SC2 it is important to be a part of this growth from the beginning. If you go to SC2 now and go back to Dota later you will have missed a very important part of the Dota growth. It will be much harder to establish yourself after. Both in terms of gaining fans, as well as getting back onto teams that have by then hopefully established themselves with solid squads. Likewise I would not advise an SC2 player to try and get into Dota now. Dota being a game where many of the top players have been playing for six years. It is very hard to get into from an SC2 mindset. I've seen plenty of players good at both games, but I've never seen someone be among the best in the world in both. If he has considered all of this and is following through on what feels right to him, more power to him. I wish Black all the luck in the world. With all due respect, I don't think you're going to see an explosion in the DoTA 2 community. I suspect it is going to die quietly, solely because it has made the fatal mistake of challenging the market leader without being sufficiently different from said market leader. Yes I know there are details and I know the balancing is different and frankly, DoTA2 is the better game of the two. However to the layman there just isn't enough of a difference. On the other hand, there are constant small tournaments going on in the Blizzard SC2 scene and it is on the verge of having an expansion released which, coupled with a likely change in business model, is going to result in an explosion of interest in Starcraft 2 ala Brood War. It makes sense for a player to switch to Starcraft 2 at this time, just before an expansion. | ||
rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On December 14 2012 20:01 rasnj wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 19:51 Finnz wrote: People need to stop being so stubborn about the "oh its impossible to switch to sc2 from another game its too hard" blablabla... If Black puts in the time he will get good just like everyone else who started playing starcraft 2. Show some support instead of being like "go back to dota...sc is too hard for you" this is not helping anyone... gl black The point is that without anything indicating that you will do well, then you will likely not. Whenever someone makes a post "Should I quit school to pursue progaming?", then the answer should likely be no because most people will fail. If you were a top BW player or WC3 player, then that drastically improves your odds of doing well in sc2 so it is not as far fetched for a BW or WC3 player saying they will go pro in SC2. However when a dota player says he will go pro in sc2, then the odds are stacked against him. And I don't follow DOTA2, but it seems black was pretty good at it and had a future in the scene, so it seems odd to throw that away for say a 10% chance of being a mid-tier EU pro. (The exact same thing obviously applies when a SC2 player quits to pursue a MOBA) Of course if he doesn't enjoy dota or for some other reason don't want to pursue that road, then it is okay to try, but he better have a plan for if his transition fails. The odds are not against him. The only difference is that the BW/WC3 guys will start at a higher level. which takes likes 2 3 months extra for the dota guy. | ||
Tidus Mino
United Kingdom1108 Posts
On December 14 2012 12:20 bokchoi wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 11:11 AgentW wrote: On December 14 2012 11:05 LuckyFool wrote: switching to sc2 from dota2 is alot harder than going the other way around unfortunately. Isn't BabyKnight one of the only real Dota->Sc2 players that's had much of any success? SeleCT I believe. Xenocider (pretty high GM) is also a former Dota player. SeleCT was a top player in RTS long before he went to dota. High level amateur/semi-pro in WC3, 2x WCG champion DoW. I wonder how good black is though. Anyone have his ladder account ? he is mid masters after 2 weeks of playing as Terran, he was semi-pro in WC3, once took a game off Grubby was his biggest achievement | ||
Demicore
France503 Posts
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Cuce
Turkey1127 Posts
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rabidch
United States20285 Posts
On December 14 2012 20:45 CoR wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 20:36 rabidch wrote: On December 14 2012 19:02 Cinim wrote: Select wasn't really ever a pro in dota - he said he played it at a high level, but he probably just played it while he was wc3 pro or something? He started with wc3 when it came out, until dow was out, after which he said he had a break from progaming until sc2 beta was there, so there isn't really any time he could have been pro in it :p he played for some top NA teams, whatever that counts for since i dont remember anybody sponsoring those teams, but some of those players went on to relative "success" but as i remember way more known for being good in some other RTS like some of the best there, thats quite a difference Yeah, but it's a considerable milestone. | ||
fluidin
Singapore1084 Posts
On December 14 2012 20:46 Evangelist wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 13:55 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I really hope he has thought this through. The professional scene of SC2 is over saturated with more professionals than the it can handle. With the addition of the Kespa pros you can see that other professionals who can't cut it anymore are forced to quit. SC2/Dota are substantially different games that don't make for a very smooth transition. The main differences are the mechanical requirements of SC2, and the team aspect of Dota. The transition between both games is nothing like transitioning between BW/War3/SC2. Black is an incredible Dota player, which has a scene that is ready to blow up. As can be seen from SC2 it is important to be a part of this growth from the beginning. If you go to SC2 now and go back to Dota later you will have missed a very important part of the Dota growth. It will be much harder to establish yourself after. Both in terms of gaining fans, as well as getting back onto teams that have by then hopefully established themselves with solid squads. Likewise I would not advise an SC2 player to try and get into Dota now. Dota being a game where many of the top players have been playing for six years. It is very hard to get into from an SC2 mindset. I've seen plenty of players good at both games, but I've never seen someone be among the best in the world in both. If he has considered all of this and is following through on what feels right to him, more power to him. I wish Black all the luck in the world. With all due respect, I don't think you're going to see an explosion in the DoTA 2 community. I suspect it is going to die quietly, solely because it has made the fatal mistake of challenging the market leader without being sufficiently different from said market leader. Yes I know there are details and I know the balancing is different and frankly, DoTA2 is the better game of the two. However to the layman there just isn't enough of a difference. On the other hand, there are constant small tournaments going on in the Blizzard SC2 scene and it is on the verge of having an expansion released which, coupled with a likely change in business model, is going to result in an explosion of interest in Starcraft 2 ala Brood War. It makes sense for a player to switch to Starcraft 2 at this time, just before an expansion. China. | ||
Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On December 14 2012 20:49 Cuce wrote: so dota2 is dead before coming out My sarcasm detector is broken. Someone help? | ||
JeffGoldblum
Cook Islands191 Posts
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Uquu
Finland474 Posts
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Esoterikk
Canada1256 Posts
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Unleashing
Denmark14977 Posts
On December 14 2012 12:56 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote: HE should stick to dota. but i can understand how frustrating it is with team mixups. Don't think black can complain when he refused to practice when they had a team that produced some actual results. He would rather play slenderman than practice with his team. Good luck to him regardless, but i think his attitude needs to be changed if he wants to produce results. Old mouz lineup wasn't a bad team at all, but no practice started to show and is one of the reasons some team members left the team. On December 14 2012 20:46 Evangelist wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 13:55 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I really hope he has thought this through. The professional scene of SC2 is over saturated with more professionals than the it can handle. With the addition of the Kespa pros you can see that other professionals who can't cut it anymore are forced to quit. SC2/Dota are substantially different games that don't make for a very smooth transition. The main differences are the mechanical requirements of SC2, and the team aspect of Dota. The transition between both games is nothing like transitioning between BW/War3/SC2. Black is an incredible Dota player, which has a scene that is ready to blow up. As can be seen from SC2 it is important to be a part of this growth from the beginning. If you go to SC2 now and go back to Dota later you will have missed a very important part of the Dota growth. It will be much harder to establish yourself after. Both in terms of gaining fans, as well as getting back onto teams that have by then hopefully established themselves with solid squads. Likewise I would not advise an SC2 player to try and get into Dota now. Dota being a game where many of the top players have been playing for six years. It is very hard to get into from an SC2 mindset. I've seen plenty of players good at both games, but I've never seen someone be among the best in the world in both. If he has considered all of this and is following through on what feels right to him, more power to him. I wish Black all the luck in the world. With all due respect, I don't think you're going to see an explosion in the DoTA 2 community. I suspect it is going to die quietly, solely because it has made the fatal mistake of challenging the market leader without being sufficiently different from said market leader. Yes I know there are details and I know the balancing is different and frankly, DoTA2 is the better game of the two. However to the layman there just isn't enough of a difference. Yea, i know. DotA is totally a dead game and didn't grow to be huge and get a big competitive scene without any company behind it, DotA2 with a company behind it is totally going to be a quitely dying game. Definitely. Sorry i just found this post to be so silly. | ||
fleeze
Germany895 Posts
On December 14 2012 20:46 Evangelist wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 13:55 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I really hope he has thought this through. The professional scene of SC2 is over saturated with more professionals than the it can handle. With the addition of the Kespa pros you can see that other professionals who can't cut it anymore are forced to quit. SC2/Dota are substantially different games that don't make for a very smooth transition. The main differences are the mechanical requirements of SC2, and the team aspect of Dota. The transition between both games is nothing like transitioning between BW/War3/SC2. Black is an incredible Dota player, which has a scene that is ready to blow up. As can be seen from SC2 it is important to be a part of this growth from the beginning. If you go to SC2 now and go back to Dota later you will have missed a very important part of the Dota growth. It will be much harder to establish yourself after. Both in terms of gaining fans, as well as getting back onto teams that have by then hopefully established themselves with solid squads. Likewise I would not advise an SC2 player to try and get into Dota now. Dota being a game where many of the top players have been playing for six years. It is very hard to get into from an SC2 mindset. I've seen plenty of players good at both games, but I've never seen someone be among the best in the world in both. If he has considered all of this and is following through on what feels right to him, more power to him. I wish Black all the luck in the world. With all due respect, I don't think you're going to see an explosion in the DoTA 2 community. I suspect it is going to die quietly, solely because it has made the fatal mistake of challenging the market leader without being sufficiently different from said market leader. Yes I know there are details and I know the balancing is different and frankly, DoTA2 is the better game of the two. However to the layman there just isn't enough of a difference. On the other hand, there are constant small tournaments going on in the Blizzard SC2 scene and it is on the verge of having an expansion released which, coupled with a likely change in business model, is going to result in an explosion of interest in Starcraft 2 ala Brood War. It makes sense for a player to switch to Starcraft 2 at this time, just before an expansion. wtf are you talking about? DotA IS the market leader. also CHINA release of Dota2 soon. read up about Riots handling of LoL and Valve handling of Dota 2 and you could come to the exactly OPPOSITE conclussion of what your post says. also: your post sounds like dota2 copied the "market leader" which is nothing but a bad joke leading to flames though possibly it's just trolling. | ||
ne0lith
537 Posts
On December 14 2012 21:16 Unleashing wrote: Don't think black can complain when he refused to practice when they had a team that produced some actual results. He would rather play slenderman than practice with his team. This. I would be glad to be proven wrong but I'm not sure if he is willing to train a lot, for a sustained period of time. He never sticked to a team for more than 2-3 months in Dota, played standin for a bunch of others and even switched back and forth between Dota and HoN in the past. He is definetely one of the best european carries and could have made it big if he had been more dedicated to training with a single team instead of changing them constantly. And I find hard to believe he cannot find a good team with his skills. | ||
AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On December 14 2012 20:49 Cuce wrote: so dota2 is dead before coming out One guy switching from dota2 to sc2 = dead game lol. | ||
Aunvilgod
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
On December 14 2012 11:15 Sub40APM wrote: is this more of equivalent of fruitdealer or coca switching to lol from sc2 or more of a destiny switching to lol? Certainly not the Destiny one. The Destiny switch is switching to an easier game because you have no success in the harder one. | ||
DarKFoRcE
Germany1215 Posts
On December 14 2012 13:55 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I really hope he has thought this through. The professional scene of SC2 is over saturated with more professionals than the it can handle. With the addition of the Kespa pros you can see that other professionals who can't cut it anymore are forced to quit. SC2/Dota are substantially different games that don't make for a very smooth transition. The main differences are the mechanical requirements of SC2, and the team aspect of Dota. The transition between both games is nothing like transitioning between BW/War3/SC2. Black is an incredible Dota player, which has a scene that is ready to blow up. As can be seen from SC2 it is important to be a part of this growth from the beginning. If you go to SC2 now and go back to Dota later you will have missed a very important part of the Dota growth. It will be much harder to establish yourself after. Both in terms of gaining fans, as well as getting back onto teams that have by then hopefully established themselves with solid squads. Likewise I would not advise an SC2 player to try and get into Dota now. Dota being a game where many of the top players have been playing for six years. It is very hard to get into from an SC2 mindset. I've seen plenty of players good at both games, but I've never seen someone be among the best in the world in both. If he has considered all of this and is following through on what feels right to him, more power to him. I wish Black all the luck in the world. I agree with you on this one. I think its certainly possibly to switch from dota to sc2, but right now its quite late to do so. Especially the point about oversaturation of players is sooo true. I think one of the reason he is switching might be all the problems that a teamgame brings (being so reliant on your teammates, all the drama in teams with players switching...). This is the thing i like so much about SC2 1on1, youre on your own there is noone to blame but yourself - in DotA all the flaming/blaming annoyed me alot (i played alot of dota and was quite decent at it - not a pro though) | ||
Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
On December 14 2012 18:21 rasers wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 16:29 Steveling wrote: Dota is a totally different beast than sc, that's why only like 2 people have played in a high level in both games, bad choise imo, but then he may be a rich guy so.. Like it matters what game you played before or whatever.... if you wanna go pro in a game you can do it with enough practice. he isn't limited now in SC2 just because he played doda. i never get this "logic" rofl.... Except 90% of all money has been won by ex BW pros, yeah. | ||
rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On December 14 2012 22:01 Aunvilgod wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 18:21 rasers wrote: On December 14 2012 16:29 Steveling wrote: Dota is a totally different beast than sc, that's why only like 2 people have played in a high level in both games, bad choise imo, but then he may be a rich guy so.. Like it matters what game you played before or whatever.... if you wanna go pro in a game you can do it with enough practice. he isn't limited now in SC2 just because he played doda. i never get this "logic" rofl.... Except 90% of all money has been won by ex BW pros, yeah. yeah wonder why professionals win vs amateurs. | ||
Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9218 Posts
On December 14 2012 20:46 Evangelist wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 13:55 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I really hope he has thought this through. The professional scene of SC2 is over saturated with more professionals than the it can handle. With the addition of the Kespa pros you can see that other professionals who can't cut it anymore are forced to quit. SC2/Dota are substantially different games that don't make for a very smooth transition. The main differences are the mechanical requirements of SC2, and the team aspect of Dota. The transition between both games is nothing like transitioning between BW/War3/SC2. Black is an incredible Dota player, which has a scene that is ready to blow up. As can be seen from SC2 it is important to be a part of this growth from the beginning. If you go to SC2 now and go back to Dota later you will have missed a very important part of the Dota growth. It will be much harder to establish yourself after. Both in terms of gaining fans, as well as getting back onto teams that have by then hopefully established themselves with solid squads. Likewise I would not advise an SC2 player to try and get into Dota now. Dota being a game where many of the top players have been playing for six years. It is very hard to get into from an SC2 mindset. I've seen plenty of players good at both games, but I've never seen someone be among the best in the world in both. If he has considered all of this and is following through on what feels right to him, more power to him. I wish Black all the luck in the world. With all due respect, I don't think you're going to see an explosion in the DoTA 2 community. I suspect it is going to die quietly, solely because it has made the fatal mistake of challenging the market leader without being sufficiently different from said market leader. Yes I know there are details and I know the balancing is different and frankly, DoTA2 is the better game of the two. However to the layman there just isn't enough of a difference. On the other hand, there are constant small tournaments going on in the Blizzard SC2 scene and it is on the verge of having an expansion released which, coupled with a likely change in business model, is going to result in an explosion of interest in Starcraft 2 ala Brood War. It makes sense for a player to switch to Starcraft 2 at this time, just before an expansion. A bit confused. Market leader? What market leader? The market leader is LOL. IS that what you are referring to? Also Mike Morhaimme has stated that there won't be a (signifcant) change to any Sc2 business model (unfortunately as the current one is suboptimal). | ||
Grettin
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Mahanaim
Korea (South)1002 Posts
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S_SienZ
1878 Posts
On December 14 2012 22:25 Grettin wrote: After seeing what happened with EternalEnvy, i won't doubt anyone. Good luck to Black. Envy played Dota 1 and in fact was one of the best solo mids in HoN during his time before Dota 2.... | ||
NMxSardines
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
On December 14 2012 22:08 rasers wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 22:01 Aunvilgod wrote: On December 14 2012 18:21 rasers wrote: On December 14 2012 16:29 Steveling wrote: Dota is a totally different beast than sc, that's why only like 2 people have played in a high level in both games, bad choise imo, but then he may be a rich guy so.. Like it matters what game you played before or whatever.... if you wanna go pro in a game you can do it with enough practice. he isn't limited now in SC2 just because he played doda. i never get this "logic" rofl.... Except 90% of all money has been won by ex BW pros, yeah. yeah wonder why professionals win vs amateurs. Huh? The players switching from WC3/Dota/whatever to SCII are as much professionals as ex BW players. But there is no doubt that Code S right now is 90% ex BW players and 10% 15-16 year old kids. On December 14 2012 22:25 Grettin wrote: After seeing what happened with EternalEnvy, i won't doubt anyone. Good luck to Black. ? | ||
Grettin
42379 Posts
On December 14 2012 22:27 S_SienZ wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 22:25 Grettin wrote: After seeing what happened with EternalEnvy, i won't doubt anyone. Good luck to Black. Envy played Dota 1 and in fact was one of the best solo mids in HoN during his time before Dota 2.... Still made it work despite many doubting him. Who knows how good of a Single RTS background Black has. | ||
S_SienZ
1878 Posts
On December 14 2012 22:30 Grettin wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 22:27 S_SienZ wrote: On December 14 2012 22:25 Grettin wrote: After seeing what happened with EternalEnvy, i won't doubt anyone. Good luck to Black. Envy played Dota 1 and in fact was one of the best solo mids in HoN during his time before Dota 2.... Still made it work despite many doubting him. My point was, he already had the relevant skillsets, Many people doubt that England would win the FIFA World Cup, many doubt my school team will either, but it's for completely different reasons. | ||
rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On December 14 2012 22:28 Aunvilgod wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 22:08 rasers wrote: On December 14 2012 22:01 Aunvilgod wrote: On December 14 2012 18:21 rasers wrote: On December 14 2012 16:29 Steveling wrote: Dota is a totally different beast than sc, that's why only like 2 people have played in a high level in both games, bad choise imo, but then he may be a rich guy so.. Like it matters what game you played before or whatever.... if you wanna go pro in a game you can do it with enough practice. he isn't limited now in SC2 just because he played doda. i never get this "logic" rofl.... Except 90% of all money has been won by ex BW pros, yeah. yeah wonder why professionals win vs amateurs. Huh? The players switching from WC3/Dota/whatever to SCII are as much professionals as ex BW players. But there is no doubt that Code S right now is 90% ex BW players and 10% 15-16 year old kids. Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 22:25 Grettin wrote: After seeing what happened with EternalEnvy, i won't doubt anyone. Good luck to Black. ? all wc3 /dota guys are foreigners. besides guys like grubby tod sase.etc most of them are some of these "oh i wanna be "pro" but still wanan study or do whatever on the side and only practic emax 4 hours a day" i don't call these guys professionals. they are not so fucking good because they played broodwar and that made them get the superpower of bieng a good RTS player. they just practice a shitload and don't bitch around like the rest of the "pros" | ||
Reap_
Brunei Darussalam760 Posts
On December 14 2012 22:27 S_SienZ wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 22:25 Grettin wrote: After seeing what happened with EternalEnvy, i won't doubt anyone. Good luck to Black. Envy played Dota 1 and in fact was one of the best solo mids in HoN during his time before Dota 2.... I think he meant, with the same amount of dedication Black can make it as well. | ||
rabidch
United States20285 Posts
On December 14 2012 22:30 Grettin wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 22:27 S_SienZ wrote: On December 14 2012 22:25 Grettin wrote: After seeing what happened with EternalEnvy, i won't doubt anyone. Good luck to Black. Envy played Dota 1 and in fact was one of the best solo mids in HoN during his time before Dota 2.... Still made it work despite many doubting him. Who knows how good of a Single RTS background Black has. the people who doubted him didnt know about his previous hon experience and just wrote his thread off like all the other "i'm bronze and im going to go pro in sc2" threads | ||
rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On December 14 2012 22:27 S_SienZ wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 22:25 Grettin wrote: After seeing what happened with EternalEnvy, i won't doubt anyone. Good luck to Black. Envy played Dota 1 and in fact was one of the best solo mids in HoN during his time before Dota 2.... dunno about the dota 1 part. but the hon part woot? when? first week of beta ? | ||
rabidch
United States20285 Posts
On December 14 2012 22:35 rasers wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 22:27 S_SienZ wrote: On December 14 2012 22:25 Grettin wrote: After seeing what happened with EternalEnvy, i won't doubt anyone. Good luck to Black. Envy played Dota 1 and in fact was one of the best solo mids in HoN during his time before Dota 2.... dunno about the dota 1 part. but the hon part woot? when? first week of beta ? he's played dota1. as for his comparative skills people can say whatever about him, but he wasnt one of the top players, but he wasnt some bronze/silver/gold player either | ||
Alur
Denmark3899 Posts
On December 14 2012 22:39 rabidch wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 22:35 rasers wrote: On December 14 2012 22:27 S_SienZ wrote: On December 14 2012 22:25 Grettin wrote: After seeing what happened with EternalEnvy, i won't doubt anyone. Good luck to Black. Envy played Dota 1 and in fact was one of the best solo mids in HoN during his time before Dota 2.... dunno about the dota 1 part. but the hon part woot? when? first week of beta ? he's played dota1. as for his comparative skills people can say whatever about him, but he wasnt one of the top players, but he wasnt some bronze/silver/gold player either Do you even know dota 1? There was no bronze/silver/gold leagues. | ||
Reap_
Brunei Darussalam760 Posts
On December 14 2012 22:46 Alur wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 22:39 rabidch wrote: On December 14 2012 22:35 rasers wrote: On December 14 2012 22:27 S_SienZ wrote: On December 14 2012 22:25 Grettin wrote: After seeing what happened with EternalEnvy, i won't doubt anyone. Good luck to Black. Envy played Dota 1 and in fact was one of the best solo mids in HoN during his time before Dota 2.... dunno about the dota 1 part. but the hon part woot? when? first week of beta ? he's played dota1. as for his comparative skills people can say whatever about him, but he wasnt one of the top players, but he wasnt some bronze/silver/gold player either Do you even know dota 1? There was no bronze/silver/gold leagues. I think he meant he's not a new player or a noob. lol | ||
rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On December 14 2012 22:39 rabidch wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 22:35 rasers wrote: On December 14 2012 22:27 S_SienZ wrote: On December 14 2012 22:25 Grettin wrote: After seeing what happened with EternalEnvy, i won't doubt anyone. Good luck to Black. Envy played Dota 1 and in fact was one of the best solo mids in HoN during his time before Dota 2.... dunno about the dota 1 part. but the hon part woot? when? first week of beta ? he's played dota1. as for his comparative skills people can say whatever about him, but he wasnt one of the top players, but he wasnt some bronze/silver/gold player either well i can find u a million players of that level :D | ||
S_SienZ
1878 Posts
On December 14 2012 22:35 rasers wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 22:27 S_SienZ wrote: On December 14 2012 22:25 Grettin wrote: After seeing what happened with EternalEnvy, i won't doubt anyone. Good luck to Black. Envy played Dota 1 and in fact was one of the best solo mids in HoN during his time before Dota 2.... dunno about the dota 1 part. but the hon part woot? when? first week of beta ? He played during the early days but it was after it was officially released I believe. His team [DWi] was easily top 2 in the world at the time. | ||
Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On December 14 2012 12:57 ne0lith wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 12:51 hootsushi wrote: On December 14 2012 11:52 Fionn wrote: So this is like Select going from SC2 to Dota2, right? ...Which means SC2 is now saved and Dota2 is a dying game. Whew, thank you Mr. Black Knight. He is the hero SC2 deserves. Best of luck to him, wonder what happens to mouz without him. Kuroky is a really solid carry player so he could take over his role if he wanted but it all depends on who the fifth player will be to see who plays what. I wouldn't be too surprised if they pick up Singsing again. Black refused to practice with the team, so with him gone he might give the team another chance. | ||
Makenshi
Sweden2105 Posts
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34454 Posts
On December 14 2012 23:09 Makenshi wrote: I have a feeling this is one of those stories that ends with ' and he was never heard from again. ' Lots of people said this about EternalEnvy tbh ^_^ | ||
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Sweden5451 Posts
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S_SienZ
1878 Posts
On December 14 2012 23:17 nkr wrote: have i missed something? never heard anything about someone called eternalenvy in sc2 He was a former HoN player who posted a blog here stating how he wants to go pro in Dota 2 | ||
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Brunei Darussalam760 Posts
On December 14 2012 23:17 nkr wrote: have i missed something? never heard anything about someone called eternalenvy in sc2 EternaLEnVy is a Dota 2 pro. A year ago, he posted a thread on TL saying that he was thinking of taking a break from uni to play Dota 2 full time. He recently won DreamHack Winter 2012. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=293284 | ||
Makenshi
Sweden2105 Posts
On December 14 2012 23:11 Firebolt145 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 23:09 Makenshi wrote: I have a feeling this is one of those stories that ends with ' and he was never heard from again. ' Lots of people said this about EternalEnvy tbh ^_^ There's a huge difference tho, as people said envy was sort of a good wellknown hon player already switching to a Very similiar game. Him switching to sc2 being a mid masters Terran player.. How many foreign Terran players have broken through to become progamers in the past 6 or so months? And black is kind of wellknown for not practicing, wasn't he the reason Sing left mouz? Just think the next time i'll hear about black if he leaves to sc2 will be 'he just joined x team in dota2 again!' | ||
RaYu
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duckmaster
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Resilient
United Kingdom1431 Posts
LoL/Dota is currently tearing apart the RTS scene and Black is one of EU's stronger carry players. He's throwing away the possibility of being part of a bigger scene as an established professional for a scene currently being dominated by KR only. (You could argue China dominates Dota as well, but at least the gap is much smaller and Na`Vi have posted the best overall results since TI1) Whatever the case. I'm sad to see him leave Dota, but excited as a fan of both games to see his SC2 progress. | ||
Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
On December 14 2012 22:31 rasers wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 22:28 Aunvilgod wrote: On December 14 2012 22:08 rasers wrote: On December 14 2012 22:01 Aunvilgod wrote: On December 14 2012 18:21 rasers wrote: On December 14 2012 16:29 Steveling wrote: Dota is a totally different beast than sc, that's why only like 2 people have played in a high level in both games, bad choise imo, but then he may be a rich guy so.. Like it matters what game you played before or whatever.... if you wanna go pro in a game you can do it with enough practice. he isn't limited now in SC2 just because he played doda. i never get this "logic" rofl.... Except 90% of all money has been won by ex BW pros, yeah. yeah wonder why professionals win vs amateurs. Huh? The players switching from WC3/Dota/whatever to SCII are as much professionals as ex BW players. But there is no doubt that Code S right now is 90% ex BW players and 10% 15-16 year old kids. On December 14 2012 22:25 Grettin wrote: After seeing what happened with EternalEnvy, i won't doubt anyone. Good luck to Black. ? all wc3 /dota guys are foreigners. besides guys like grubby tod sase.etc most of them are some of these "oh i wanna be "pro" but still wanan study or do whatever on the side and only practic emax 4 hours a day" i don't call these guys professionals. they are not so fucking good because they played broodwar and that made them get the superpower of bieng a good RTS player. they just practice a shitload and don't bitch around like the rest of the "pros" Still Grubby, Moon, Sase, Tod etc. are not Code S level. | ||
d00p
711 Posts
On December 14 2012 23:42 duckmaster wrote: The question is, does he play zerg? Seriously? That has to be my breaking point right there. Every thread has to contain this whine now? And suddenly it's not bannable? Balance whine is apparently ok on TL now. Doesn't even matter if it's COMPLETELY off topic whine. Just stfu and play some HotS beta. Play all races and have some fun. Let go of your hatred. ... It's nice to see that sc2-moba is a two way street. GL. | ||
Makenshi
Sweden2105 Posts
On December 14 2012 23:56 d00p wrote: Seriously? That has to be my breaking point right there. Every thread has to contain this whine now? And suddenly it's not bannable? Balance whine is apparently ok on TL now. Doesn't even matter if it's COMPLETELY off topic whine. Just stfu and play some HotS beta. Play all races and have some fun. Let go of your hatred. ... It's nice to see that sc2-moba is a two way street. GL. in all fairness he has some validity with that, not saying zerg is op but just the fact that most foreigners who break into progaming the past few months have mostly been Zergs. Heard people give the argument zergs got less of a margin of error or so. Not saying i agree or disagree but i think that was his point | ||
malaan
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thOr6136
Slovenia1774 Posts
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rabidch
United States20285 Posts
On December 14 2012 22:46 Alur wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 22:39 rabidch wrote: On December 14 2012 22:35 rasers wrote: On December 14 2012 22:27 S_SienZ wrote: On December 14 2012 22:25 Grettin wrote: After seeing what happened with EternalEnvy, i won't doubt anyone. Good luck to Black. Envy played Dota 1 and in fact was one of the best solo mids in HoN during his time before Dota 2.... dunno about the dota 1 part. but the hon part woot? when? first week of beta ? he's played dota1. as for his comparative skills people can say whatever about him, but he wasnt one of the top players, but he wasnt some bronze/silver/gold player either Do you even know dota 1? There was no bronze/silver/gold leagues. are you questioning me? i bet you were stinky cheese league in dota1 | ||
FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Anyway good luck. | ||
SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On December 14 2012 23:11 Firebolt145 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 23:09 Makenshi wrote: I have a feeling this is one of those stories that ends with ' and he was never heard from again. ' Lots of people said this about EternalEnvy tbh ^_^ How is EternalEnvy comparable to this at all? EE was a competitive HON player... and you realize that a sizable group of DOTA2 pros made the same transition. If you ever watched EE's stream, he was clearly a very very high level player in DOTA2 before ever making his post/decision to go pro. Mid masters in SC2 is equates to nowhere near pro. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13372 Posts
On December 15 2012 00:25 SupLilSon wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 23:11 Firebolt145 wrote: On December 14 2012 23:09 Makenshi wrote: I have a feeling this is one of those stories that ends with ' and he was never heard from again. ' Lots of people said this about EternalEnvy tbh ^_^ How is EternalEnvy comparable to this at all? EE was a competitive HON player... and you realize that a sizable group of DOTA2 pros made the same transition. If you ever watched EE's stream, he was clearly a very very high level player in DOTA2 before ever making his post/decision to go pro. Mid masters in SC2 is equates to nowhere near pro. I agree. The comparison is quite poor and I personally don't see how he wants to switch to sc2. Especially now that korean domination is in full force and HotS is on the way as well. If he wants to practice anything it should be HotS and not WoL | ||
Scisyhp
United States200 Posts
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Thurken
961 Posts
On December 14 2012 11:09 Cinim wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 11:05 LuckyFool wrote: switching to sc2 from dota2 is alot harder than going the other way around unfortunately. Isn't BabyKnight one of the only real Dota->Sc2 players that's had much of any success? Yea, Babyknight is the only pro dota player to get into sc2 professionally Wasn't Babyknight a former wc3 player? | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34454 Posts
On December 15 2012 00:25 SupLilSon wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 23:11 Firebolt145 wrote: On December 14 2012 23:09 Makenshi wrote: I have a feeling this is one of those stories that ends with ' and he was never heard from again. ' Lots of people said this about EternalEnvy tbh ^_^ How is EternalEnvy comparable to this at all? EE was a competitive HON player... and you realize that a sizable group of DOTA2 pros made the same transition. If you ever watched EE's stream, he was clearly a very very high level player in DOTA2 before ever making his post/decision to go pro. Mid masters in SC2 is equates to nowhere near pro. I'm not making direct comparisons, I simply feel that people should stop being so put-downy. Oh and how do you know that Black was mid-masters? | ||
eurTsItniH
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Hider
Denmark9218 Posts
On December 15 2012 00:04 Makenshi wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 23:56 d00p wrote: On December 14 2012 23:42 duckmaster wrote: The question is, does he play zerg? Seriously? That has to be my breaking point right there. Every thread has to contain this whine now? And suddenly it's not bannable? Balance whine is apparently ok on TL now. Doesn't even matter if it's COMPLETELY off topic whine. Just stfu and play some HotS beta. Play all races and have some fun. Let go of your hatred. ... It's nice to see that sc2-moba is a two way street. GL. in all fairness he has some validity with that, not saying zerg is op but just the fact that most foreigners who break into progaming the past few months have mostly been Zergs. Heard people give the argument zergs got less of a margin of error or so. Not saying i agree or disagree but i think that was his point This. There is just 0 chance of him becoming a fantastic foreigner as terran. Zerg is a little easier mechanically so one can get away with smart decision making and less practice. | ||
Souone
Brazil470 Posts
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conz
United Kingdom163 Posts
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Zer atai
United States691 Posts
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Rustug
1488 Posts
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
On December 15 2012 00:57 Hider wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2012 00:04 Makenshi wrote: On December 14 2012 23:56 d00p wrote: On December 14 2012 23:42 duckmaster wrote: The question is, does he play zerg? Seriously? That has to be my breaking point right there. Every thread has to contain this whine now? And suddenly it's not bannable? Balance whine is apparently ok on TL now. Doesn't even matter if it's COMPLETELY off topic whine. Just stfu and play some HotS beta. Play all races and have some fun. Let go of your hatred. ... It's nice to see that sc2-moba is a two way street. GL. in all fairness he has some validity with that, not saying zerg is op but just the fact that most foreigners who break into progaming the past few months have mostly been Zergs. Heard people give the argument zergs got less of a margin of error or so. Not saying i agree or disagree but i think that was his point This. There is just 0 chance of him becoming a fantastic foreigner as terran. Zerg is a little easier mechanically so one can get away with smart decision making and less practice. That is not 100% correct. Zerg and Terran are about the same mechanically, but Terran has a far higher skill floor. Means you have to be a lot better to have any success. | ||
FreudianTrip
Switzerland1983 Posts
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Anta
Germany434 Posts
Germany fuck yeah! | ||
CaptainTwig
United Kingdom532 Posts
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Andre
Slovenia3515 Posts
It's only that really, past performance in other games doesn't give you much from what we've seen. | ||
Leetley
1796 Posts
Bonus points for terran. | ||
FlukyS
Ireland485 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On December 15 2012 00:51 eurTsItniH wrote: Why does it matter if he played Dota 2? That does not mean he can't be pro in SC2. I am sorry but I really don't understand some of you guys. The reason we haven't seen that many succesful Dota players going pro in SC2 is because we haven't actually seen a lot of Dota pros moving to SC2. Please list all of the dota pros trying to go pro in SC2 and failing before claiming that the transition is impossible, when we actually have a guy like Babyknight proving it is not. According to the people here you have a better chance of becoming pro if you've never played any game professionally as opposed to playing some non-RTS game professionally... Yeah, sure. Statistically he probably won't be successful. So what? The best of any game have always defied the odds. If we wanted to do an analysis I'm pretty sure for 100% of people the answer would be to never start professional gaming. If he wants to do it, more power to him. If he is actually willing to spend 8 hours a day in real practice I can see him getting pretty good. | ||
TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
Being relative in sc2 on a global scale at this point takes godlike effort,skill and often times luck. | ||
Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
On December 15 2012 01:35 Andr3 wrote: I don't know why everyone's comparing him to babyknight. From what I've heard black is a really dedicated player who plays a lot, if he has the same mindset and attitude in SC2 he could go big. It's only that really, past performance in other games doesn't give you much from what we've seen. wasn't he the one who wanted to practice the least in the old mouz with Sing/Bamboe? I remember a tweet from Sing to Black, something about mouz having scrimmed for hours and Black wasn't with them | ||
ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
j/k, best of luck in SC2 and welcome to the scene! | ||
SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On December 15 2012 00:48 Firebolt145 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2012 00:25 SupLilSon wrote: On December 14 2012 23:11 Firebolt145 wrote: On December 14 2012 23:09 Makenshi wrote: I have a feeling this is one of those stories that ends with ' and he was never heard from again. ' Lots of people said this about EternalEnvy tbh ^_^ How is EternalEnvy comparable to this at all? EE was a competitive HON player... and you realize that a sizable group of DOTA2 pros made the same transition. If you ever watched EE's stream, he was clearly a very very high level player in DOTA2 before ever making his post/decision to go pro. Mid masters in SC2 is equates to nowhere near pro. I'm not making direct comparisons, I simply feel that people should stop being so put-downy. Oh and how do you know that Black was mid-masters? I don't know that he is mid-masters, but quite frankly it's irrelevant. Even if he was competitive at a GM level there's little chance he'd ever make a splash in the SC2 scene. Do you realize how many players there are that have been consistent GMs for 2 years and still haven't made it as pros? No one is being put-downy... just being realistic. | ||
ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On December 15 2012 01:35 Andr3 wrote: I don't know why everyone's comparing him to babyknight. From what I've heard black is a really dedicated player who plays a lot, if he has the same mindset and attitude in SC2 he could go big. It's only that really, past performance in other games doesn't give you much from what we've seen. Babyknight has been doing superbly in SC2, so that actually supports your theory? | ||
canikizu
4860 Posts
On December 15 2012 01:55 DoNotDisturb wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2012 01:35 Andr3 wrote: I don't know why everyone's comparing him to babyknight. From what I've heard black is a really dedicated player who plays a lot, if he has the same mindset and attitude in SC2 he could go big. It's only that really, past performance in other games doesn't give you much from what we've seen. wasn't he the one who wanted to practice the least in the old mouz with Sing/Bamboe? I remember a tweet from Sing to Black, something about mouz having scrimmed for hours and Black wasn't with them Yeah, dude was playing Slenderman. | ||
OKMarius
Norway469 Posts
On December 14 2012 11:09 Cinim wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 11:05 LuckyFool wrote: switching to sc2 from dota2 is alot harder than going the other way around unfortunately. Isn't BabyKnight one of the only real Dota->Sc2 players that's had much of any success? Yea, Babyknight is the only pro dota player to get into sc2 professionally Babyknight was a decent WC3 player as well though, so he had an rts background which helped him. | ||
climax
United States1088 Posts
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Svetgm
Canada76 Posts
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On December 15 2012 01:54 FairForever wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2012 00:51 eurTsItniH wrote: Why does it matter if he played Dota 2? That does not mean he can't be pro in SC2. I am sorry but I really don't understand some of you guys. The reason we haven't seen that many succesful Dota players going pro in SC2 is because we haven't actually seen a lot of Dota pros moving to SC2. Please list all of the dota pros trying to go pro in SC2 and failing before claiming that the transition is impossible, when we actually have a guy like Babyknight proving it is not. According to the people here you have a better chance of becoming pro if you've never played any game professionally as opposed to playing some non-RTS game professionally... Yeah, sure. Statistically he probably won't be successful. So what? The best of any game have always defied the odds. If we wanted to do an analysis I'm pretty sure for 100% of people the answer would be to never start professional gaming. If he wants to do it, more power to him. If he is actually willing to spend 8 hours a day in real practice I can see him getting pretty good. No matter what your background is, the chance that you will become a SC2 pro is pretty damn small. The point is that if you have had success in similar 1v1 games like War3 or other RTS games, there is probably a good chance you might also succeed in SC2. This is much less the case when someone is comming from a considerably different game like dota. Obviously it's his choice what he does and if he is switching because he doesn't like dota, that's fine if it's his hobby. But there is absolutely no doubt that the chance of him having a carreer in dota is many times greater than the chance of him having a carreer in SC2. | ||
mostevil
United Kingdom611 Posts
If Bliz holds it's nerve HoTS looks like its going to be a higher skill cap and super intensive on the multitasking (hurray!). | ||
ref4
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Ucs
264 Posts
Good luck to Mouz Black. Fresh blood is in my opinion always welcome. If Grubby (babyknight,and others too) can do it then others can as well. | ||
Alur
Denmark3899 Posts
On December 15 2012 00:20 rabidch wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 22:46 Alur wrote: On December 14 2012 22:39 rabidch wrote: On December 14 2012 22:35 rasers wrote: On December 14 2012 22:27 S_SienZ wrote: On December 14 2012 22:25 Grettin wrote: After seeing what happened with EternalEnvy, i won't doubt anyone. Good luck to Black. Envy played Dota 1 and in fact was one of the best solo mids in HoN during his time before Dota 2.... dunno about the dota 1 part. but the hon part woot? when? first week of beta ? he's played dota1. as for his comparative skills people can say whatever about him, but he wasnt one of the top players, but he wasnt some bronze/silver/gold player either Do you even know dota 1? There was no bronze/silver/gold leagues. are you questioning me? i bet you were stinky cheese league in dota1 Solid C- on garena. | ||
Graphix
United States208 Posts
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Stijx
United States804 Posts
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Nuclease
United States1049 Posts
On December 14 2012 11:51 thatsundowner wrote: going from a 1v5 game to a 1v1 game should benefit him greatly BOW! Big burn on Mouz haha xD But in all seriousness, I agree that DotA---->SC2 switch is much harder than SC2----->DotA. But, we'll see if it works out and just what kind of role he wants to play in the community (pro in tournaments, streamer, etc.) | ||
IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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PopcornColonel
United States769 Posts
Best of luck still! | ||
TheSwamp
United States1497 Posts
On December 14 2012 11:40 mbsupermario wrote: OMG DOTA 2 IS DYING xD #SAVEDOTAYOLOSWAG I wish him luck, but I don't see it working out. | ||
Freezd
United States139 Posts
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Champloo
Germany1850 Posts
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how2TL
1197 Posts
People are so insecure about other people aspiring to succeed sometimes. | ||
rabidch
United States20285 Posts
On December 15 2012 02:53 Alur wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2012 00:20 rabidch wrote: On December 14 2012 22:46 Alur wrote: On December 14 2012 22:39 rabidch wrote: On December 14 2012 22:35 rasers wrote: On December 14 2012 22:27 S_SienZ wrote: On December 14 2012 22:25 Grettin wrote: After seeing what happened with EternalEnvy, i won't doubt anyone. Good luck to Black. Envy played Dota 1 and in fact was one of the best solo mids in HoN during his time before Dota 2.... dunno about the dota 1 part. but the hon part woot? when? first week of beta ? he's played dota1. as for his comparative skills people can say whatever about him, but he wasnt one of the top players, but he wasnt some bronze/silver/gold player either Do you even know dota 1? There was no bronze/silver/gold leagues. are you questioning me? i bet you were stinky cheese league in dota1 Solid C- on garena. yeah Cheese minus. 1v1 grudgematch gogo | ||
Windwaker
Germany1597 Posts
was probably just tild cause mouz aren't playing that well atm | ||
Smittmeister
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zw1er
Poland81 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On December 15 2012 05:29 Holgerius wrote: I suspect he's not gonna make any impact whatsoever. I have the same feeling. No complaints if he does though :D | ||
da_head
Canada3350 Posts
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pedrlz
Brazil5234 Posts
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
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skatblast
United States784 Posts
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BlackGosu
Canada1046 Posts
On December 15 2012 08:27 skatblast wrote: I never got why dota or lol are considered to be so skillful. I mean there's seriously 4 spells you can use.... its like WoW pvp dumbed down into lanes. Good luck either way though. Its nice to see some professionals switching back to SC2 you obviously dont play dota, if you dont think there exists a brutal skill curve | ||
Ange777
Germany1164 Posts
On December 15 2012 05:19 Windwaker wrote: he wont switch according to his twitter, was probably just tild cause mouz aren't playing that well atm Could you post the source? | ||
rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On December 15 2012 08:27 skatblast wrote: I never got why dota or lol are considered to be so skillful. I mean there's seriously 4 spells you can use.... its like WoW pvp dumbed down into lanes. Good luck either way though. Its nice to see some professionals switching back to SC2 we should play a match and i show you | ||
Dattish
Sweden6297 Posts
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Ange777
Germany1164 Posts
On December 15 2012 08:46 Dattish wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2012 08:43 Ange777 wrote: On December 15 2012 05:19 Windwaker wrote: he wont switch according to his twitter, was probably just tild cause mouz aren't playing that well atm Could you post the source? Phew ... I was seriously surprised by this move but you're right. He's not switching. OP should update the thread before more people get confused. | ||
Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
(Hmm...this sounds familiar...) | ||
snively
United States1159 Posts
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Waxangel
United States32432 Posts
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zw1er
Poland81 Posts
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
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thezanursic
5478 Posts
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
On December 15 2012 08:27 skatblast wrote: I never got why dota or lol are considered to be so skillful. I mean there's seriously 4 spells you can use.... its like WoW pvp dumbed down into lanes. Good luck either way though. Its nice to see some professionals switching back to SC2 Dota game is not that different from WoW pvp mechanic wise if you ask me but there're more aspects to master in Dota game such as map awareness,ls/d9,teamwork and there are a lot of heroes to learn so I think it's harder than WoW pvp. | ||
Flummie
Netherlands417 Posts
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Heouf
Netherlands787 Posts
On December 14 2012 13:30 Existor wrote: NNN switched dota to sc2 DDD switched sc2 to dota2 etc switched to real life Is it interesting to read? Well you cared enough to react on it. So he reached his purpose. | ||
Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
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Luepert
United States1932 Posts
On December 14 2012 11:11 AgentW wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 11:05 LuckyFool wrote: switching to sc2 from dota2 is alot harder than going the other way around unfortunately. Isn't BabyKnight one of the only real Dota->Sc2 players that's had much of any success? SeleCT I believe. Xenocider (pretty high GM) is also a former Dota player. Select went from Dawn of war --> Sc2--> Dota 2 right? | ||
StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 15 2012 20:17 Flummie wrote: He will have an easy time playing SC2 if he comes from Dota 2 I guess. Good luck! There is nothing easy about switching. | ||
Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
On December 14 2012 11:10 Glurkenspurk wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2012 11:05 LuckyFool wrote: switching to sc2 from dota2 is alot harder than going the other way around unfortunately. Isn't BabyKnight one of the only real Dota->Sc2 players that's had much of any success? What about Select? He even went back after sc2. Select doesn't really count. He's played every RTS ever competitively. The man moves around each one doing what he can. I remember him playing Dawn of War competitively, back in the day. | ||
TheEmulator
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Dattish
Sweden6297 Posts
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On December 23 2012 02:48 Dattish wrote: Guys, he's not switching. https://twitter.com/BlackDotA2/status/279638603334819840 | ||
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