Here is the link to the youtube Channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLRD0vAAv6XrV_oXuhAs0bQ/videos
and here is the link to where he does live streams
http://www.livestar.co.kr/play/93051
Have a nice day.
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MymSlorm
Chile187 Posts
Here is the link to the youtube Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLRD0vAAv6XrV_oXuhAs0bQ/videos and here is the link to where he does live streams http://www.livestar.co.kr/play/93051 Have a nice day. | ||
noobcake_
29 Posts
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GTR
51126 Posts
edit: lol just realised it was a 6 month old bump. | ||
noobcake_
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noobcake_
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onlystar
United States971 Posts
these days burrow is often used to avoid mass drone massacre from vessels.. | ||
Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On August 20 2018 08:15 onlystar wrote: i don't think this was a move he invented.? (but maybe someone with more insight about this can elaborate) these days burrow is often used to avoid mass drone massacre from vessels.. I don't know who invented the move, but it was utilized way before sAviOr made his professional debut, such as JinNam using the move to minimize the harass from BoxeR, who loved using the eraser move to eradicate the enemy drone count. Tournaments broadcasted by iTV (one of the four domestic television stations that used broadcast professional Brood War) have most of its records gone, so I couldn't find the VOD, but the write up for the game (in one of the Korean Brood War sites) clearly explains how JinNam burrowed his drones in response to BoxeR's eraser move. sAviOr was a gifted player blessed with a sharp mind, but people tend to magnify the significance of his moves because of his past examples of sheer genius, not necessarily because the move itself was total genius. He's one of the players where the idea of the said player overshadows the actual player himself. | ||
[AS]Rattus
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RWLabs
Korea (South)273 Posts
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Li_Xin
45 Posts
On August 20 2018 07:13 noobcake_ wrote: As much as I love JD, Saviour was a God of a player. I remember in late game zvt, he would burrow all his drones to avoid science vessel irradiate. Pure genius. It would force the vessels to irradiate one drone at a time 1. You spelled his name wrong. 2. Burrowing drones to avoid irradiate is basic and has always been. That's like saying burrowing lurkers so they can attack is pure genius. 3. JD is much more impressive than sAviOr in several ways. (More Starleague titles & single-handedly carrying Hwaseung Oz on his back for many years, and above all else he wasn't a greedy piece of shit that went around begging people to throw matches for cash.) Honestly, I was a big fan of sAviOr back in the days. He was an especially great player in 2006, I agree... but if burrowing drones to avoid irradiated science vessels is what comes to mind when you think of how skilled sAviOr was, then something is seriously wrong. | ||
jimminy_kriket
Canada5465 Posts
On August 20 2018 06:48 GTR wrote: over/under how many posts debating the ethics of savior streaming seeping in to this thread? edit: lol just realised it was a 6 month old bump. On August 20 2018 10:11 [AS]Rattus wrote: sAviOr (motherfucker) On August 20 2018 11:04 RWLabs wrote: If Savior played LoL, few people would care. But for him to who cripple Starcraft for his gain, and then stream it a few years later? What a massive turd. So it begins | ||
reincremate
China2207 Posts
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noobcake_
29 Posts
On August 20 2018 11:30 Li_Xin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 20 2018 07:13 noobcake_ wrote: As much as I love JD, Saviour was a God of a player. I remember in late game zvt, he would burrow all his drones to avoid science vessel irradiate. Pure genius. It would force the vessels to irradiate one drone at a time 1. You spelled his name wrong. 2. Burrowing drones to avoid irradiate is basic and has always been. That's like saying burrowing lurkers so they can attack is pure genius. 3. JD is much more impressive than sAviOr in several ways. (More Starleague titles & single-handedly carrying Hwaseung Oz on his back for many years, and above all else he wasn't a greedy piece of shit that went around begging people to throw matches for cash.) Honestly, I was a big fan of sAviOr back in the days. He was an especially great player in 2006, I agree... but if burrowing drones to avoid irradiated science vessels is what comes to mind when you think of how skilled sAviOr was, then something is seriously wrong. seriously man, get off your high horse. I never said he invented the move. I watched every ASL and KSL game and i haven't seen anyone mass burrow drones to avoid vessels. It might be a fundamental move but the fact is, most progamer zergs of today don't utilise it. My point was how attentive he was. He would be in the middle of a big attack yet still mindful to burrow all his workers. I guess I shouldn't have used the word genius. But his attentiveness with it was pretty dam good. He was genius how he never got irradiated due to being so attentive. He was so attentive with it, his drones were burrowed well before the vessel even got into position. Go check out the replays, its impressive. I disagree that burrowing all your drones while your busy doing a million other things is as simple to do as remembering to burrow your lurkers. Most of the time, your monitoring your army (where most of your lurkers will be). Burrowing drones also means less income. It's not like you want to burrow them well in advance of vessel attacks. Savior's timing was impeccable with it. I seen so many Broodwar replays and it was just a skill that stood out to me. The way he implemented it. I've rarely seen it used at pro level over the last 5 years or so. If it was so easy and fundamental like burrowing lurkers, I wonder why the pros aren't using it? And the terran pros are still to this day irridating mass vessels and hovering over mineral patches. I really like JD and i'm a big fan. But I have seen Savior's replays at his peak and never seen a zerg so busy on the map. Seen games where he does everything JD does but more. Back in those days, zerg would make a good 30 to 40 sunks sometimes. But on those maps he was still maxing his armies in very efficient time. | ||
Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On August 20 2018 16:18 noobcake_ wrote: Show nested quote + On August 20 2018 11:30 Li_Xin wrote: On August 20 2018 07:13 noobcake_ wrote: As much as I love JD, Saviour was a God of a player. I remember in late game zvt, he would burrow all his drones to avoid science vessel irradiate. Pure genius. It would force the vessels to irradiate one drone at a time 1. You spelled his name wrong. 2. Burrowing drones to avoid irradiate is basic and has always been. That's like saying burrowing lurkers so they can attack is pure genius. 3. JD is much more impressive than sAviOr in several ways. (More Starleague titles & single-handedly carrying Hwaseung Oz on his back for many years, and above all else he wasn't a greedy piece of shit that went around begging people to throw matches for cash.) Honestly, I was a big fan of sAviOr back in the days. He was an especially great player in 2006, I agree... but if burrowing drones to avoid irradiated science vessels is what comes to mind when you think of how skilled sAviOr was, then something is seriously wrong. seriously man, get off your high horse. I never said he invented the move. I watched every ASL and KSL game and i haven't seen anyone mass burrow drones to avoid vessels. It might be a fundamental move but the fact is, most pro zergs of today don't utilise it. My point was how attentive he was. He would be in the middle of a big attack yet still mindful to burrow all his workers. I guess I shouldn't have used the word genius. But his attentiveness with it was pretty dam good. He was genius how he never got irradiated due to being so attentive. He was so attentive with it, his drones were burrowed well before the vessel even got into position. Go check out the replays, its impressive. I disagree that burrowing all your drones while your busy doing a million other things is as simple to do as remembering to burrow your lurkers. Most of the time, your monitoring your army (where most of your lurkers will be). Burrowing drones also means less income. It's not like you want to burrow them well in advance of vessel attacks. Savior's timing was impeccable with it. I seen so many Broodwar replays and it was just a skill that stood out to me. The way he implemented it. I've rarely seen it used at pro level over the last 5 years or so. If it was so easy and fundamental like burrowing lurkers, I wonder why the pros aren't using it? And the terran pros are still to this day irridating mass vessels and hovering over mineral patches. I really like JD and i'm a big fan. But I have seen Savior's replays at his peak and never seen a zerg so busy on the map. Seen games where he does everything JD does but more. Back in those days, zerg would make a good 30 to 40 sunks sometimes. But on those maps he was still maxing his armies in very efficient time. Nobody here is questioning sAviOr's genius during his prime. He was a totally different type of gamer to Jaedong, and probably would have fared decently well even to this date if Brood War was a turn-based strategy game. Alas, it isn't, and sAviOr has been getting butt-fucked by mechanically superior players for over a decade now. The problem arises when you ruin his actual moments of past genius by pretending that he still is rocking it, when in actuality all he is doing is lowering the level of his opponents to preserve his vintage playstyle. What made his genius special was not the novelty value (doing random shit on the off-chance that it works does not make you a genius), but the application value of his unique approach to the game for the other players. If doing unorthodox moves versus low level competition is genius, I'm sure there are thousands of amateur players out there doing "genius" moves that isn't readily seen at the highest levels of competition. When iloveoov was no longer capable of competing versus the newer generation of players, he still flexed his strategical muscle as a coach by creating new build orders that the next of kin could use. That is genius. Changing the paradigm of the protoss-versus-terran match-up in 2011 by coming up with the basic concepts of the 21 nexus build shows that. What you are currently describing is sAviOr rehashing already known concepts (that has its strategical purpose) versus vastly inferior players, that has basically zero competitive value to other zerg players. They already know this concept (even if they don't use it). sAviOr isn't doing anything novel, or providing anything worthwhile to other zergs who are superior to him in terms of skill. What exactly is genius about it? | ||
noobcake_
29 Posts
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On August 21 2018 01:10 noobcake_ wrote: I was having a nostaglic moment condensed into one sentence. Then look at these lengthy replies trying to pick my one sentance apart . Also, I never said he was still rocking it. How could he be, given his life ban. His play style wasn't really all that vintage, but yeah of course the meta does shift.Go watch his replays from the around 2008ish. The games look fairly similar to JD of today. Only big noticeable difference were that he used more sunks and often burrowed his drones. The JD of today rarely does either of those. Today's muta harass is probably a bit better as well but not by a significant margin. But I wasn't trying to compare players across eras because you can't really but I can judge them within their respective eras, I would give Savior the slight edge over JD. JD is a great player and I pretty much want him to win every game he plays. He's just very solid. But Savior just had this really quirky edge to him that seemed to really stand out within the era he played in. And that quirkiness wasn't at the expense of APM, macro and micro. His APM and macro wasn't incredible but it was pretty good given the quirkiness of his play. Nostalgia is fine. Delusional thinking is not. sAviOr became mediocre as a professional far before his involvement within match-fixing. He had a domestic record of 15-28 (34.88%) against the terran race in 2008, and spent more time losing than winning within the ProLeague, and was busy getting knocked out in the earlier rounds of the individual leagues. Either you don't remember the career arc of sAviOr correctly, or you are just looking for the most random things in the depths of total mediocrity, while labelling those things falsely as pure genius. If you are interested in terrible players doing quirky things while losing, I would suggest LASL for viewing, where the most random shit can and will happen. Random quirkiness isn't in short supply, any shit player can display imagination and creativity should the stakes and level of competition be low enough. | ||
ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1654 Posts
Think about your life; you've fucked up PLENTY of times in your life. You're just some random ass nerd sitting on your computer complaining about shit on message boards. He just happened to be in the spotlight when he fucked up. MOVE ON, and forgive him, just like you moved on from your own mistakes. If you do not approve of him, that's fine. Him streaming affects your life 0%. | ||
itsdaniel
Austria326 Posts
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reincremate
China2207 Posts
On August 21 2018 08:16 ShowTheLights wrote: For me, it is simple as this: He is human. He made a mistake and apologized for it. He didnt murder anyone. He should be forgiven. Think about your life; you've fucked up PLENTY of times in your life. You're just some random ass nerd sitting on your computer complaining about shit on message boards. He just happened to be in the spotlight when he fucked up. MOVE ON, and forgive him, just like you moved on from your own mistakes. If you do not approve of him, that's fine. Him streaming affects your life 0%. If Savior, Blizzard and everyone else responsible for killing off Kespa era Brood War can bring all that back, then I can consider forgiving them. Blizzard's at least been making minor amends with the KSL, which is definitely better than nothing. What has Savior done other than continue to pathetically exploit the game whose professional scene he helped destroy? Fucker wasn't lying when he said "I will destroy everyone in 2009" and he's showed no sign of remorse since. Maybe if he donates all the proceeds from his streaming to charity (or to Brood War tournaments), then maybe he's not a total dickface, but until then I'm not sold on his "apologies". | ||
Little-Chimp
Canada948 Posts
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RWLabs
Korea (South)273 Posts
On August 21 2018 08:16 ShowTheLights wrote: For me, it is simple as this: He is human. He made a mistake and apologized for it. He didnt murder anyone. He should be forgiven. Think about your life; you've fucked up PLENTY of times in your life. You're just some random ass nerd sitting on your computer complaining about shit on message boards. He just happened to be in the spotlight when he fucked up. MOVE ON, and forgive him, just like you moved on from your own mistakes. If you do not approve of him, that's fine. Him streaming affects your life 0%. So if a person gets convicted for child abuse while working as a babysitter, people should be okay with the person working as one years later? How about Kim Carrier, who took a big shit on Starcraft by using the nickname fans gave him to run an adult karaoke joint? Should he be allowed to cast KSL alongside KCM and Zeus? Look at people who truly apologized for their crimes, like Fake Yellow. They sincerely apologized (unlike Savior who "was only the broker" and banned anyone who talked about matchfixing), and stayed away from the game. Even Sky has promised that he would stream LoL, not Starcraft, as he understands what he did to the scene. I don't care if Savior streams Mukbang, LoL, or any other kind of content. But for him to continually benefit from the field he destroyed jobs in is incredibly selfish. | ||
nanaoei
3358 Posts
On August 21 2018 13:13 RWLabs wrote: How about Kim Carrier, who took a big shit on Starcraft by using the nickname fans gave him to run an adult karaoke joint? Should he be allowed to cast KSL alongside KCM and Zeus? what's this about? alright nevermind, just read about it lol... that is so random | ||
noobcake_
29 Posts
On August 21 2018 02:18 Letmelose wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2018 01:10 noobcake_ wrote: I was having a nostaglic moment condensed into one sentence. Then look at these lengthy replies trying to pick my one sentance apart . Also, I never said he was still rocking it. How could he be, given his life ban. His play style wasn't really all that vintage, but yeah of course the meta does shift.Go watch his replays from the around 2008ish. The games look fairly similar to JD of today. Only big noticeable difference were that he used more sunks and often burrowed his drones. The JD of today rarely does either of those. Today's muta harass is probably a bit better as well but not by a significant margin. But I wasn't trying to compare players across eras because you can't really but I can judge them within their respective eras, I would give Savior the slight edge over JD. JD is a great player and I pretty much want him to win every game he plays. He's just very solid. But Savior just had this really quirky edge to him that seemed to really stand out within the era he played in. And that quirkiness wasn't at the expense of APM, macro and micro. His APM and macro wasn't incredible but it was pretty good given the quirkiness of his play. Nostalgia is fine. Delusional thinking is not. sAviOr became mediocre as a professional far before his involvement within match-fixing. He had a domestic record of 15-28 (34.88%) against the terran race in 2008, and spent more time losing than winning within the ProLeague, and was busy getting knocked out in the earlier rounds of the individual leagues. Either you don't remember the career arc of sAviOr correctly, or you are just looking for the most random things in the depths of total mediocrity, while labelling those things falsely as pure genius. If you are interested in terrible players doing quirky things while losing, I would suggest LASL for viewing, where the most random shit can and will happen. Random quirkiness isn't in short supply, any shit player can display imagination and creativity should the stakes and level of competition be low enough. Its well known he was in a slump from sometime in 2008 up to early 2010 when he got busted. But lots of good players have had slumps. Pretty convenient for you to focus on a slump that he had no chance of turning around since he then got his life ban. In one of his last tournaments in 2009 or 2010 he beat JD. It was one of the only a few times the two faced each other. But by this stage, JD was no slouch. . And regarding quirkiness, I made it clear that his quirkiness wasn't just random cheese etc. He had a good mix of solid play and quirkiness. That is what stood out for me. He was pulling out this quirky moves against the top programers of the time so not sure why you keep saying he was playing against trash opponents. You say he was a terrible player. And I say I disagree. That's my opinion and I am entitled to it. Let's agree to disagree | ||
Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On August 21 2018 17:21 noobcake_ wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2018 02:18 Letmelose wrote: On August 21 2018 01:10 noobcake_ wrote: I was having a nostaglic moment condensed into one sentence. Then look at these lengthy replies trying to pick my one sentance apart . Also, I never said he was still rocking it. How could he be, given his life ban. His play style wasn't really all that vintage, but yeah of course the meta does shift.Go watch his replays from the around 2008ish. The games look fairly similar to JD of today. Only big noticeable difference were that he used more sunks and often burrowed his drones. The JD of today rarely does either of those. Today's muta harass is probably a bit better as well but not by a significant margin. But I wasn't trying to compare players across eras because you can't really but I can judge them within their respective eras, I would give Savior the slight edge over JD. JD is a great player and I pretty much want him to win every game he plays. He's just very solid. But Savior just had this really quirky edge to him that seemed to really stand out within the era he played in. And that quirkiness wasn't at the expense of APM, macro and micro. His APM and macro wasn't incredible but it was pretty good given the quirkiness of his play. Nostalgia is fine. Delusional thinking is not. sAviOr became mediocre as a professional far before his involvement within match-fixing. He had a domestic record of 15-28 (34.88%) against the terran race in 2008, and spent more time losing than winning within the ProLeague, and was busy getting knocked out in the earlier rounds of the individual leagues. Either you don't remember the career arc of sAviOr correctly, or you are just looking for the most random things in the depths of total mediocrity, while labelling those things falsely as pure genius. If you are interested in terrible players doing quirky things while losing, I would suggest LASL for viewing, where the most random shit can and will happen. Random quirkiness isn't in short supply, any shit player can display imagination and creativity should the stakes and level of competition be low enough. Its well known he was in a slump from sometime in 2008 up to early 2010 when he got busted. But lots of good players have had slumps. Pretty convenient for you to focus on a slump that he had no chance of turning around since he then got his life ban. In one of his last tournaments in 2009 or 2010 he beat JD. It was one of the only a few times the two faced each other. But by this stage, JD was no slouch. . And regarding quirkiness, I made it clear that his quirkiness wasn't just random cheese etc. He had a good mix of solid play and quirkiness. That is what stood out for me. He was pulling out this quirky moves against the top programers of the time so not sure why you keep saying he was playing against trash opponents. You say he was a terrible player. And I say I disagree. That's my opinion and I am entitled to it. Let's agree to disagree You specifically selected the era as "2008ish" and somehow in your mind it becomes about how I cherry picked the time-frame. If OriOn beating a single zerg-versus-zerg match versus Jaedong in 2009 (the most random factoid to explain someone's overall form, but sure, it is me who cherry-picks, not you) is enough to qualify him as a potential "pure genius" player every time he does something off-beat, you have a different handle on reality than I do. Everything sAviOr has done since his prime, whether it was getting butt-fucked by firebathero in a montage of never-ending post-game ceremonies, being humiliated with carriers by PJ, a Chinese player who never had a single official victory as a professional, trying to "solve" his long-term slump by getting involved with match-fixing, or exiting the professional scene to play versus lower tier players like Ever)P(Rich on stream, and being humiliated by them, and not even having the skill, nevermind the kind of "pure genius" to shut them up when they bad mouthed him openly for his past deeds has all been part of a colossal downward spiral during which he never showed promise of being the kind of player he once was. sAviOr has been getting butt-fucked by mechanically superior players for over a decade now. This statement is true whether you like it or not. Deal with it, and go watch your shitty disgraced, washed-up hero out of pity and tell yourself that his rehashed known moves are "pure genius". However, I personally am entitled to disagree with such delusions when you share your thoughts with us. | ||
castleeMg
Canada744 Posts
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Odoakar
Croatia1834 Posts
On August 21 2018 19:30 Letmelose wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2018 17:21 noobcake_ wrote: On August 21 2018 02:18 Letmelose wrote: On August 21 2018 01:10 noobcake_ wrote: I was having a nostaglic moment condensed into one sentence. Then look at these lengthy replies trying to pick my one sentance apart . Also, I never said he was still rocking it. How could he be, given his life ban. His play style wasn't really all that vintage, but yeah of course the meta does shift.Go watch his replays from the around 2008ish. The games look fairly similar to JD of today. Only big noticeable difference were that he used more sunks and often burrowed his drones. The JD of today rarely does either of those. Today's muta harass is probably a bit better as well but not by a significant margin. But I wasn't trying to compare players across eras because you can't really but I can judge them within their respective eras, I would give Savior the slight edge over JD. JD is a great player and I pretty much want him to win every game he plays. He's just very solid. But Savior just had this really quirky edge to him that seemed to really stand out within the era he played in. And that quirkiness wasn't at the expense of APM, macro and micro. His APM and macro wasn't incredible but it was pretty good given the quirkiness of his play. Nostalgia is fine. Delusional thinking is not. sAviOr became mediocre as a professional far before his involvement within match-fixing. He had a domestic record of 15-28 (34.88%) against the terran race in 2008, and spent more time losing than winning within the ProLeague, and was busy getting knocked out in the earlier rounds of the individual leagues. Either you don't remember the career arc of sAviOr correctly, or you are just looking for the most random things in the depths of total mediocrity, while labelling those things falsely as pure genius. If you are interested in terrible players doing quirky things while losing, I would suggest LASL for viewing, where the most random shit can and will happen. Random quirkiness isn't in short supply, any shit player can display imagination and creativity should the stakes and level of competition be low enough. Its well known he was in a slump from sometime in 2008 up to early 2010 when he got busted. But lots of good players have had slumps. Pretty convenient for you to focus on a slump that he had no chance of turning around since he then got his life ban. In one of his last tournaments in 2009 or 2010 he beat JD. It was one of the only a few times the two faced each other. But by this stage, JD was no slouch. . And regarding quirkiness, I made it clear that his quirkiness wasn't just random cheese etc. He had a good mix of solid play and quirkiness. That is what stood out for me. He was pulling out this quirky moves against the top programers of the time so not sure why you keep saying he was playing against trash opponents. You say he was a terrible player. And I say I disagree. That's my opinion and I am entitled to it. Let's agree to disagree You specifically selected the era as "2008ish" and somehow in your mind it becomes about how I cherry picked the time-frame. If OriOn beating a single zerg-versus-zerg match versus Jaedong in 2009 (the most random factoid to explain someone's overall form, but sure, it is me who cherry-picks, not you) is enough to qualify him as a potential "pure genius" player every time he does something off-beat, you have a different handle on reality than I do. Everything sAviOr has done since his prime, whether it was getting butt-fucked by firebathero in a montage of never-ending post-game ceremonies, being humiliated with carriers by PJ, a Chinese player who never had a single official victory as a professional, trying to "solve" his long-term slump by getting involved with match-fixing, or exiting the professional scene to play versus lower tier players like Ever)P(Rich on stream, and being humiliated by them, and not even having the skill, nevermind the kind of "pure genius" to shut them up when they bad mouthed him openly for his past deeds has all been part of a colossal downward spiral during which he never showed promise of being the kind of player he once was. Show nested quote + sAviOr has been getting butt-fucked by mechanically superior players for over a decade now. This statement is true whether you like it or not. Deal with it, and go watch your shitty disgraced, washed-up hero out of pity and tell yourself that his rehashed known moves are "pure genius". However, I personally am entitled to disagree with such delusions when you share your thoughts with us. Well at least he has the best Final Edit of them all. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/final-edits/226236-god-of-the-battlefield-part-1 | ||
reincremate
China2207 Posts
While I don't think we need to beat the dead horse of denouncing Ma Jae Yoon, I think any lingering praise of him that is anything more than "Yeah he was good back in the day and he contributed a lot to the development of BW strategy back in '05-'07. Moving on now" is distasteful and innappropriate. | ||
akm4
Canada71 Posts
The kid made a mistake get over it and people here making pedophile comparisons. Kespa giving him a lifetime ban is a joke, the same Kespa who's president was arrested on bribery and embezzlement. Nice to see people here supporting a lifetime ban .... people get released from jail for murder after doing their time.... lol | ||
iFU.pauline
France1386 Posts
This statement is true whether you like it or not. Deal with it, and go watch your shitty disgraced, washed-up hero out of pity and tell yourself that his rehashed known moves are "pure genius". However, I personally am entitled to disagree with such delusions when you share your thoughts with us. I would be so happy if you could shut the fuck up, really. | ||
Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On August 22 2018 17:02 iFU.pauline wrote: On August 21 2018 19:30 Letmelose wrote: Show nested quote + This statement is true whether you like it or not. Deal with it, and go watch your shitty disgraced, washed-up hero out of pity and tell yourself that his rehashed known moves are "pure genius". However, I personally am entitled to disagree with such delusions when you share your thoughts with us. I would be so happy if you could shut the fuck up, really. I would be glad to be put in my place if you could bother to speak sense and address the issue at hand. The last conversation we had wasn't the most constructive or insightful, but I could give it another shot. I'm all ears. | ||
207aicila
1236 Posts
On August 22 2018 11:27 reincremate wrote: I don't see how anyone can still defend or want to watch Savior. Just imagine if, say, Kobe Bryant match-fixed NBA games, contributing to the eventual collapse of all of professional basketball, and then went on to continue to try to make money streaming himself playing basketball against a bunch of amateurs--I would be willing to bet that the backlash amongst fans would be much more severe than any spiteful pithy comments made towards Savior by TL netizens. While I don't think we need to beat the dead horse of denouncing Ma Jae Yoon, I think any lingering praise of him that is anything more than "Yeah he was good back in the day and he contributed a lot to the development of BW strategy back in '05-'07. Moving on now" is distasteful and innappropriate. Praising literally one of the absolute best players to ever touch the game is distasteful and inappropriate, but comparing throwing a match in a video game to murder and child abuse isn't? And here I thought you people would grow up... | ||
[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6297 Posts
On August 22 2018 17:27 Letmelose wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2018 17:02 iFU.pauline wrote: On August 21 2018 19:30 Letmelose wrote: This statement is true whether you like it or not. Deal with it, and go watch your shitty disgraced, washed-up hero out of pity and tell yourself that his rehashed known moves are "pure genius". However, I personally am entitled to disagree with such delusions when you share your thoughts with us. I would be so happy if you could shut the fuck up, really. I would be glad to be put in my place if you could bother to speak sense and address the issue at hand. The last conversation we had wasn't the most constructive or insightful, but I could give it another shot. I'm all ears. but.. | ||
Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On August 22 2018 19:56 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2018 17:27 Letmelose wrote: On August 22 2018 17:02 iFU.pauline wrote: On August 21 2018 19:30 Letmelose wrote: This statement is true whether you like it or not. Deal with it, and go watch your shitty disgraced, washed-up hero out of pity and tell yourself that his rehashed known moves are "pure genius". However, I personally am entitled to disagree with such delusions when you share your thoughts with us. I would be so happy if you could shut the fuck up, really. I would be glad to be put in my place if you could bother to speak sense and address the issue at hand. The last conversation we had wasn't the most constructive or insightful, but I could give it another shot. I'm all ears. but.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs8vboPJhIg firebathero has created a youtube channel of him doing the most random and inexplicable things by purposefully avoiding top level competition and doing plays versus terrible players. It is what he has been doing since his professional days, when he had more fun toying around with sAviOr, rather than going full hardcore for excellence. If doing highlight reel worthy plays versus bad players is what you are after, he is the guy for you. I can post random montages too. | ||
[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6297 Posts
i mean. we are in 2018 you are like some old guy telling the same thing over and over,how savior the matchfixer he is so bad he destroyed the scene,if that scene was so weak that didnt survive the matchfixing maybe that scene wasnt destined to survive that long anyway.( in any sense im saying what he did is right,f*ck him,f*ck cheaters,) but stop fooling yourself ,and is also very childish what u are doign denying what the guy has done to the zerg race..the best article on TL is about him and his zvt revolution rofl.there are maybe 40 reasons u can hate savior,but u cant deny the guy was the best when he was into the challenge. | ||
[AS]Rattus
419 Posts
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On August 22 2018 20:45 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: dunno why savior makes you so blind,there is actually no point in arguing cuz u are basically ignoring every savior did in the BW prime era and u could still see his magic in that post era,and now u are like yes he is doing that vs lesser players,is no sense cuz they are actual games most of them really good games,is not just a shame noob video that he is doing to show us that he can do some excellent moves with the units.no need to tell that savior was trashing shuttle and some other pros when he was taking more serious his streaming and the tournament he was allowed to play in the non pro scene before Sonic decided to ban from SSL aswell after the bad pr.(funny cuz sonic actually encourage him to stream) i mean. we are in 2018 you are like some old guy telling the same thing over and over,how savior the matchfixer he is so bad he destroyed the scene,if that scene was so weak that didnt survive the matchfixing maybe that scene wasnt destined to survive that long anyway.( in any sense im saying what he did is right,f*ck him,f*ck cheaters,) but stop fooling yourself ,and is also very childish what u are doign denying what the guy has done to the zerg race..the best article on TL is about him and his zvt revolution rofl.there are maybe 40 reasons u can hate savior,but u cant deny the guy was the best when he was into the challenge. I get that you like sAviOr, and want to defend him. But you are just rambling about the most random subjects I did not touch. Your criteria for what constitutes a really good game must either be low enough that you find any half decent amateur player fascinating, or you are purposefully lowering the bar to pretend that sAviOr still has that genius about him. If it is sAviOr's trademark approach to the game that you find interesting, his vintage playstyle hasn't disappeared, so you can enjoy that particular aesthetic that he has about him, but don't give me bullshit reasoning about how he is still a total genius or how the games he plays are of a really high quality. sAviOr is so utterly shit compared to so many of the players available for viewing (and it's been a one way downhill trajectory ever since early 2007), that you butcher the very meaning of the word by calling what he does as genius, just like it is ridiculous to go overboard with the deificiation of an ex-footballer dribbling circles around overweight random farts as if it is pure footballing art of the highest calibre. I truly don't care if you can do elasticos around a random nobody and pretend that is genius just because the aesthetic of it is pleasing to you. You an go beat your drum about who wrote what about sAviOr, and what your perception of an appropriate response for his past actions would be to somebody who actually gives a shit. Go donate all your money to sAviOr for all I care. Just don't tell me bullshit about him in order to show your support for the dude. You don't convince me with the zeal you have, only factually correct posts with valid points that address the issue at hand would shut me up. | ||
[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6297 Posts
WHAT CAN I TELL YOU, MA BONJWA FOR LIFE . thanks to him jaedong effort soulkey ggplay all of them exist. keep eating your useless anger ^^ | ||
Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On August 22 2018 21:27 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: sorry i didnt get you i guess,there is not point arguing how good savior right now is,does he even play 1v1 ? last i heard he was playing 2v2 bet matches or something like that.about genius,i dont think it dissapears,i actually never donated anything to savior ,but to people like eagle movie in_dove and few others,but how is that relevant what i do with my money ? mind what you do with yours WHAT CAN I TELL YOU, MA BONJWA FOR LIFE . thanks to him jaedong effort soulkey ggplay all of them exist. keep eating your useless anger ^^ Leto rapes sAviOr in two-versus-two matches as well. There is no realm within competitive Brood War that sAviOr excels at except making his fanboy's panties wet whatever he does as a human being. As is showcased by the likes of you. | ||
Lorch
Germany3657 Posts
To be quiet honest, I'm personally more upset about Blizzard's treatment of BW than the matchfixing scandal, so I'd much rather see Blizzard pass the ownership of Starcraft to someone who cares then continue to stalk savior and make sure that he never touches BW again. Nobody forces you to watch his stream, let alone donate or even discuss it. | ||
TonDan
65 Posts
On August 22 2018 19:56 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2018 17:27 Letmelose wrote: On August 22 2018 17:02 iFU.pauline wrote: On August 21 2018 19:30 Letmelose wrote: This statement is true whether you like it or not. Deal with it, and go watch your shitty disgraced, washed-up hero out of pity and tell yourself that his rehashed known moves are "pure genius". However, I personally am entitled to disagree with such delusions when you share your thoughts with us. I would be so happy if you could shut the fuck up, really. I would be glad to be put in my place if you could bother to speak sense and address the issue at hand. The last conversation we had wasn't the most constructive or insightful, but I could give it another shot. I'm all ears. but.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs8vboPJhIg Never saw those highlights before. Gotta say, Savior's mind is like none other. So much genius magic in those hands. | ||
Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On August 22 2018 21:37 Letmelose wrote: He also apparently makes sad little nerds heads explode in irrational and child like rage, as showcased by your pathetic little display in this thread.Show nested quote + On August 22 2018 21:27 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: sorry i didnt get you i guess,there is not point arguing how good savior right now is,does he even play 1v1 ? last i heard he was playing 2v2 bet matches or something like that.about genius,i dont think it dissapears,i actually never donated anything to savior ,but to people like eagle movie in_dove and few others,but how is that relevant what i do with my money ? mind what you do with yours WHAT CAN I TELL YOU, MA BONJWA FOR LIFE . thanks to him jaedong effort soulkey ggplay all of them exist. keep eating your useless anger ^^ Leto rapes sAviOr in two-versus-two matches as well. There is no realm within competitive Brood War that sAviOr excels at except making his fanboy's panties wet whatever he does as a human being. As is showcased by the likes of you. | ||
Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On August 23 2018 00:07 Dazed. wrote: Show nested quote + He also apparently makes sad little nerds heads explode in irrational and child like rage, as showcased by your pathetic little display in this thread.On August 22 2018 21:37 Letmelose wrote: On August 22 2018 21:27 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: sorry i didnt get you i guess,there is not point arguing how good savior right now is,does he even play 1v1 ? last i heard he was playing 2v2 bet matches or something like that.about genius,i dont think it dissapears,i actually never donated anything to savior ,but to people like eagle movie in_dove and few others,but how is that relevant what i do with my money ? mind what you do with yours WHAT CAN I TELL YOU, MA BONJWA FOR LIFE . thanks to him jaedong effort soulkey ggplay all of them exist. keep eating your useless anger ^^ Leto rapes sAviOr in two-versus-two matches as well. There is no realm within competitive Brood War that sAviOr excels at except making his fanboy's panties wet whatever he does as a human being. As is showcased by the likes of you. It isn't even misguided information, it is purposeful ignorance of a player's skill level with constant topic switching whenever I disprove it. Whether it is pretending that sAviOr is pure genius for rehashing a known move that was used since the days of BoxeR and JinNam, or claiming that sAviOr was awesome back in 2008, I have dispatched every notion, and instead of arguing my points, people of your ilk has thrown nothing but garbage posts that show nothing but zeal towards a lost cause. No amount of ass licking over his quite obviously lackluster skills is actually going to bring his glory days back. Get over yourself, and add better information if you cannot handle the fact that I am putting forth correct notions about sAviOr's level of skill over the past decade. | ||
Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On August 23 2018 00:02 Dangermousecatdog wrote: You seem really angry letmelose. If people want to talk about savior, just let them. If he never got involved in matchfixing, he may have become the greatest coach. he's not a competitive player, but it's not as if any organiser will let him play in a major tournament again. You seem really hung up about it all. If I put forth a notion, it is usually about the competitive level of a player throughout history. Misinformation, spread by those as zealous and misguided as some of the posters seen here, are the enemy. Why should I let them spread misinformation just because of their emotional attachment due to some article or self righteous defense of a player that they see as being wronged? I am not here to convince these people, because many are willingly ignorant, and will not listen, but I can disrupt their wrong notions from reaching others, that is good enough for me. | ||
Harem
United States11390 Posts
On August 23 2018 01:02 Letmelose wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2018 00:07 Dazed. wrote: On August 22 2018 21:37 Letmelose wrote: He also apparently makes sad little nerds heads explode in irrational and child like rage, as showcased by your pathetic little display in this thread.On August 22 2018 21:27 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: sorry i didnt get you i guess,there is not point arguing how good savior right now is,does he even play 1v1 ? last i heard he was playing 2v2 bet matches or something like that.about genius,i dont think it dissapears,i actually never donated anything to savior ,but to people like eagle movie in_dove and few others,but how is that relevant what i do with my money ? mind what you do with yours WHAT CAN I TELL YOU, MA BONJWA FOR LIFE . thanks to him jaedong effort soulkey ggplay all of them exist. keep eating your useless anger ^^ Leto rapes sAviOr in two-versus-two matches as well. There is no realm within competitive Brood War that sAviOr excels at except making his fanboy's panties wet whatever he does as a human being. As is showcased by the likes of you. It isn't even misguided information, it is purposeful ignorance of a player's skill level with constant topic switching whenever I disprove it. Whether it is pretending that sAviOr is pure genius for rehashing a known move that was used since the days of BoxeR and JinNam, or claiming that sAviOr was awesome back in 2008, I have dispatched every notion, and instead of arguing my points, people of your ilk has thrown nothing but garbage posts that show nothing but zeal towards a lost cause. No amount of ass licking over his quite obviously lackluster skills is actually going to bring his glory days back. Get over yourself, and add better information if you cannot handle the fact that I am putting forth correct notions about sAviOr's level of skill over the past decade. Unfortunately, you won't see any better arguments from the other side so I am going to do you a favor and just close thread now as Savior threads never end up positive. | ||
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