As GSL slows down (omg had a day off!), decided to make a new IdrA interview, as I haven't done one in quite a while!
He discusses all sorts of stuff, from the Liquid crew in GSL, to the recent huge amount of all-ins, to Code S contenders and anticontenders, his stream, and more!
EnjoY~
As promised, here is one of a few IdrA replays which I will be casting over the next few days...
For GSL commentating - Can you guys please go back to the production tab after you guys show army supply or units. The production tab tells you so much more (esp as an observer) - you can see tech shifts coming and how many units people are producing (sometimes tastless doesn't pop back to the bases until the tech is already out). The supplies/income isn't really as useful as you are generally watching the battles.
Otherwise - keep up the awesome work!! I am really stoked to see these Idra games you are going to commentate.
I like that idra is honest about his opinions. sure he can cross the line into BM, but at least he doesnt tell us how he's giving all his money to his parents when people ask him about all-ins.
Thanks much, IdrA does an interview without to much of him calling people bad. =) Interesting place, but great to hear someone who's pro talk about the game and offer coaching.
I love how fast he named the people who didn't deserve code S, so funny. I was hoping he would go over who he thought would belong in code S who are currently in code A. I'm assuming all he'd say is Ret but maybe he'd have a few dark horses.
Lol Arotsis just had to plug his boy Clide in there. Great interview agreed mostly with what Idra said, except I think Foxer is the best TvZ Terran out there
On December 09 2010 14:07 IseeFish wrote: Nice interview, but severely underestimating TSL_Rain IMO.
How? Rain has looked awful in the games that have gone into the mid/late game. Hongun is the same, he just cheeses and looks to win early. I wish Fruitdealer would have used that same build order of getting a second hatch in his base when he was blocked in by pylons, rather than the all-ins. He could have definitely taken another GSL and would have destroyed Rain after seeing how well he stuffed the scv all-in from bitbybitprime.
On December 09 2010 14:07 IseeFish wrote: Nice interview, but severely underestimating TSL_Rain IMO.
How? Rain has looked awful in the games that have gone into the mid/late game. Hongun is the same, he just cheeses and looks to win early. I wish Fruitdealer would have used that same build order of getting a second hatch in his base when he was blocked in by pylons, rather than the all-ins. He could have definitely taken another GSL and would have destroyed Rain after seeing how well he stuffed the scv all-in from bitbybitprime.
Honestly I don't see how Hongun cheesed vs Fruitdealer? Wasn't Hongun the guy doing the FE's and Fruitdealer the one cheesing? I'm confused if we even watched the same game....
Hilarious interview part at 12 min mark where Idra has the authority to talk down several "S Class" players :D gona go watch just that part again for the laughs.
On December 09 2010 14:15 FindingPride wrote: No marine king love? =/
Idra doesn't think MarineKing is very good. Its mainly because he values macro way above micro. But I think Foxers TvZ is the best currently. His marine micro is just absurd. However vs other races i'm not to sure because micro isn't as necessary in the other matchups
Incontrol mentioned that idra was thinking about abadoning sc2 progaming before gsl3... thoughts about going to pro poker or some such. I wonder if idra still has his heart in this game and has got the will to improve and succeed or if he is simply doing the motions.
On December 09 2010 14:07 IseeFish wrote: Nice interview, but severely underestimating TSL_Rain IMO.
How? Rain has looked awful in the games that have gone into the mid/late game. Hongun is the same, he just cheeses and looks to win early. I wish Fruitdealer would have used that same build order of getting a second hatch in his base when he was blocked in by pylons, rather than the all-ins. He could have definitely taken another GSL and would have destroyed Rain after seeing how well he stuffed the scv all-in from bitbybitprime.
Honestly I don't see how Hongun cheesed vs Fruitdealer? Wasn't Hongun the guy doing the FE's and Fruitdealer the one cheesing? I'm confused if we even watched the same game....
You mean the dark templar rush or the voidray rush? Did those two matches not exist? What Hongun did was force Fruitdealer to all-in by blocking him in with pylons and fast expanding himself. I don't know if I consider that cheese or not, but it's ridiculously cheap and I am glad they are "supposedly" taking out the ability to do it in the next patch. Do I think it was wrong of Hongun to do it? No, it gave him the best chance to win and for this much money I'd do the same against a superior player, especially in the macro game. Hongun has been doing cheese and early strategies in basically all his games in the GSL and in games that go into the late game he's not that great of a player.
It's almost impossible to recover from that as Zerg if the protoss knows what he is doing. He's just going to push you with a ton of warp gate units and you won't have the economy to keep up with the amount of units he is warping in. It's basically a risk either way, no matter what Fruitdealer did he'd either be taking a risk in trying to macro up or all-in, both were 50/50. The only reason it failed in the first match was because Hongun put his stargates in an awful place and his voidray pressure was stuffed, allowing Fruitdealer to have enough time to macro up and build up the exact counter to his warp gate units.
Awesome interview, thanks Artosis! I love hearing IdrA's opinions on the games, and I'm EXTREMELY happy that he's started streaming/coaching. He really seemed fair when discussing the cheese/all-in builds, not as angry as I've seen a lot of people be in the threads. Can't wait to see him in the code-S GSL :D
Good Interview, Artosis seems to make everyone around him sick!
On December 09 2010 14:10 Raine wrote: I love how fast he named the people who didn't deserve code S, so funny. I was hoping he would go over who he thought would belong in code S who are currently in code A. I'm assuming all he'd say is Ret but maybe he'd have a few dark horses.
Code S Is new, Kind of like how GSL season 1 was where there were A LOT of people who shouldn't of made it. GSL Season 3 is kind fo like that but i think its getting better.
On December 09 2010 14:07 IseeFish wrote: Nice interview, but severely underestimating TSL_Rain IMO.
How? Rain has looked awful in the games that have gone into the mid/late game. Hongun is the same, he just cheeses and looks to win early. I wish Fruitdealer would have used that same build order of getting a second hatch in his base when he was blocked in by pylons, rather than the all-ins. He could have definitely taken another GSL and would have destroyed Rain after seeing how well he stuffed the scv all-in from bitbybitprime.
Honestly I don't see how Hongun cheesed vs Fruitdealer? Wasn't Hongun the guy doing the FE's and Fruitdealer the one cheesing? I'm confused if we even watched the same game....
You mean the dark templar rush or the voidray rush?
It's funny as the DT rush only worked because FD was ridiculously greedy, by the time they were at his base the most advanced tech he had was still a spawning pool, without even having started on the lair. It's not like the DTs damaged him or slowed him down a bit, he got completely killed by 3-4 DTs. But I suppose it's only cheesy and unfair when it goes against the player you're rooting for. Perhaps players are supposed to act like gentlemen and ignore those glaring build order flaws instead of capitalizing on them for an advantage.
I'm no pro, but it really seems that Idra's air of superiority is really unwarranted. We have seen him choke in all three GSL's and frankly he may be able to outmacro opponents but he makes terrible decisions regarding unit composition and positioning. He also rarely uses support units like infestors, or cheeky plays like burrowed roaches or baneling drops.
It seems to me that his play is very one dimensional... but maybe I am wrong.
the place where the interview is shot looks like a bunker in afghanistan and they are next door to ousama benladen or something :D good interview tho u need a better mic tho artosis
On December 09 2010 14:31 Braveheartsc wrote: I'm no pro, but it really seems that Idra's air of superiority is really unwarranted. We have seen him choke in all three GSL's and frankly he may be able to outmacro opponents but he makes terrible decisions regarding unit composition and positioning. He also rarely uses support units like infestors, or cheeky plays like burrowed roaches or baneling drops.
It seems to me that his play is very one dimensional... but maybe I am wrong.
You should watch his stream. Playing against HongUn now, just beat oGsHero. (:
On December 09 2010 14:31 Braveheartsc wrote: I'm no pro, but it really seems that Idra's air of superiority is really unwarranted. We have seen him choke in all three GSL's and frankly he may be able to outmacro opponents but he makes terrible decisions regarding unit composition and positioning. He also rarely uses support units like infestors, or cheeky plays like burrowed roaches or baneling drops.
It seems to me that his play is very one dimensional... but maybe I am wrong.
You should watch his stream. Playing against HongUn now, just beat oGsHero. (:
Seems strange that Hongun would be laddering right before his semifinals match. You'd think he'd be training PvT only. Perhaps it's someone else playing on his account to hide his last 30 games.
Wow, I'm really starting to like Idra. During beta he was just kind of annoying (def thought he was a great player), but now actually getting to hear him cast, on SotG, and interviews, seems like a pretty cool guy.
On December 09 2010 14:31 Braveheartsc wrote: I'm no pro, but it really seems that Idra's air of superiority is really unwarranted. We have seen him choke in all three GSL's and frankly he may be able to outmacro opponents but he makes terrible decisions regarding unit composition and positioning. He also rarely uses support units like infestors, or cheeky plays like burrowed roaches or baneling drops.
It seems to me that his play is very one dimensional... but maybe I am wrong.
You should watch his stream. Playing against HongUn now, just beat oGsHero. (:
Seems strange that Hongun would be laddering right before his semifinals match. You'd think he'd be training PvT only. Perhaps it's someone else playing on his account to hide his last 30 games.
Definitely a possibility. (: Either that or HongUn is looking for a terran person to play and decided to 1-base it. Still, the games are fantastic, that one against Hero was reaaaaallyy insanely good. ^_^
Idra in interviews is so much Idra from games we see. He seems very well mannered. Awesome interview with a lot of contents. Thanks Artosis for doing this!
Nice interview IdrA. I still say that since you have down time, you should come play 2s with my on my stream You don't have to if you really don't want to, but I really like watching your zerg play and trying to learn from it. Thanks for the stream!
IdrA you fucking nasty. Gratz on code S of course. I can finally see your mouse!!!!!!! Can't see that shit with replays. I hope you continue to stream.
Keep Artosis in check please with his over exaggerations. Artosis is a baller to though :D
Idra, Will you be pissed if I Fraps your livestream to do FPVOD commentaries? I will include a link to your UStream in the description of all my youtube VODs. Legit???
On December 09 2010 13:53 Sanguinarius wrote: Thank you so much! I love these interview.
For GSL commentating - Can you guys please go back to the production tab after you guys show army supply or units. The production tab tells you so much more (esp as an observer) - you can see tech shifts coming and how many units people are producing (sometimes tastless doesn't pop back to the bases until the tech is already out). The supplies/income isn't really as useful as you are generally watching the battles.
Otherwise - keep up the awesome work!! I am really stoked to see these Idra games you are going to commentate.
Eh it's debatable either way, but from my perspective I enjoy the cast more when the production tab isn't always up. It allows for some viewer interaction as you have to intuit some of the builds and decisions the players are making. Being surprised is pretty underrated imo, adds a distinct layer of excitement to the game, rather than just having it feel like I'm spectating. When I spot something tastetosis misses or "strategically ignores" it's part of the fun for me not a frustration.
On December 09 2010 15:04 HunterStarcraft wrote: Idra, Will you be pissed if I Fraps your livestream to do FPVOD commentaries? I will include a link to your UStream in the description of all my youtube VODs. Legit???
I think he says on his ustream comments that he would save VODs so that replays of him "practicing" don't get out to the public to analyze. So I don't think this would fly with IdrA.
IdrA seems to have a good plan in place for his future in starcraft, compared to alot of others you see interviews from. Can't wait to see who is in the EG house over there.
As I watched this IdrA beat HongunPrime just after beating PoltPrime and oGsHero on his stream xD <3 Artosis and yes Hongun was laddering 4 hours before his semi-final lol
Hi! Off-topic, but I hope you can forgive me. I'm having a hard time to really understand the code-S and code-A system. Yes I've used the search function, and all I find is people being rude others asking the same question, or people 'trying' to explain it but making it even more confusing.
The offical announcement page for GSL and their ambitions for GSL in 2011 says there will be 64 players in each tournament (duh, ro64!) And these will be picked from code-S players, now, there are 16 player with code-S (or was it 32, read it but don't remember.) And assuming this the rest will be from the code-A cathegory, how then will new players make it into the GSL tourney? Will there be a qualification between code-A and newbies or what?
Greatly appriciate answers, the search function, as mentioned, only give confusing explanations or rudeness to people looking for the explanation.
On December 09 2010 15:24 Nedfryst wrote: Hi! Off-topic, but I hope you can forgive me. I'm having a hard time to really understand the code-S and code-A system. Yes I've used the search function, and all I find is people being rude others asking the same question, or people 'trying' to explain it but making it even more confusing.
The offical announcement page for GSL and their ambitions for GSL in 2011 says there will be 64 players in each tournament (duh, ro64!) And these will be picked from code-S players, now, there are 16 player with code-S (or was it 32, read it but don't remember.) And assuming this the rest will be from the code-A cathegory, how then will new players make it into the GSL tourney? Will there be a qualification between code-A and newbies or what?
Greatly appriciate answers, the search function, as mentioned, only give confusing explanations or rudeness to people looking for the explanation.
On December 09 2010 14:07 IseeFish wrote: Nice interview, but severely underestimating TSL_Rain IMO.
You've got to be kidding me. I'm amazed Rain got to where he is with his crap playstyle. He cheesed so hard to take out his opponents who were 100x more worthy of moving on than him. Screw his apology on PlayXP. His games aren't even worthwhile to watch. Watching him made me about as sick as watching ActionCheesuz in DreamHack.
On December 09 2010 14:31 Braveheartsc wrote: I'm no pro, but it really seems that Idra's air of superiority is really unwarranted. We have seen him choke in all three GSL's and frankly he may be able to outmacro opponents but he makes terrible decisions regarding unit composition and positioning. He also rarely uses support units like infestors, or cheeky plays like burrowed roaches or baneling drops.
It seems to me that his play is very one dimensional... but maybe I am wrong.
Just nitpicking, but he was using burrowed roaches earlier on his stream
Irda should be the best interviewer/player in the world. He never hides anything, just speaks out all his thoughts in his mind. Yet people still blaming him BM ... How ironic.
thanks artosis, i hope u've seen the "Artosis gets trolled by GOMTV Forums video, if you view it objectively, even though it's you, you might find it hilarioussss!!!
Greg Fields, Artosis mentioned that OGSZENIO did a throat cut ceremony after he kicked your ass in GSL. Does that effect you when you play him on ladder? Will you not gg and rage quit when he beats you on ladder? Do you blame Artosis and his stupid build for your loss?
Thank you Artosis for this. And I take this opportunity to ask you to tell Tasteless to use the production tab, he doesn't use it 80% of the time now, either no tab or the stupid unit tab where the stream isn't good enough quality to read the numbers anyway. It's just one keyboard press for a enormous gain in viewer pleasure, ask him please.
On December 09 2010 17:00 MrCon wrote: Thank you Artosis for this. And I take this opportunity to ask you to tell Tasteless to use the production tab, he doesn't use it 80% of the time now, either no tab or the stupid unit tab where the stream isn't good enough quality to read the numbers anyway. It's just one keyboard press for a enormous gain in viewer pleasure, ask him please.
Listen to state of the game a few weeks ago. Tyler et al. make a great case for why mystery and not having the production tab up all the time, is good for the sport.
Idra's narcisism is funny to see. I agree with a lot of stuff he sais but basically his hate for 'cheesy' play is completely throwing off his perspective of the game. THe fact he is narcistic is so easy to see by the fact he doesn't think anyone is good (except for jinro, which is basically a must if you are doing a interview that will be posted on TL) while thinking basically everyone is crap. His weakness is just never wanting to cheese because it looks so stupid when cheese fails. As a result he is basically a way too predictable player though and I won't predict he will go far in GSL alot. Also all this talk of jinro being such a macro player is overrated too. Jinro won almost the entire MLG on cheesy plays and also used a fair bit of cheese in GSL (like steppes against choya and he tried to as well on DQ). All-in play should just be a part of every player's game as it makes one unpredictable, also as idra SHOULD learn cheesy play is also the easiest way to DEFEND against cheesy play. People always cheese idra because there is basically no fear idra will cheese you just before or at the same time, while if you do a 1-base all-in the biggest fear is usually the other player doing a 1-base all-in that directly counters yours. For example jinro lost his game on DQ vs choya because he tried to do 1 base banshee/raven play while choya was doing 1 base fast robo play.
I love the fact idra just spits everything out but his view of the game is completely wrong in many aspects simply because he doesn't "like" certain aspects of the game. If the game was all macro games it would be way more boring, the balance between macro and cheese is the only problem at the moment. Also claiming that 'mules' are the reason cheese plays are so strong is just rediculous, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. THe only thing Mules changed compared to sc1 is making 14 cc a dead build as it's economically worse then rax first, that however is a very small difference to the cheese factor terran needs to use. The real reason cheese see's so much play is the fact that A) terran is underpowered late game, jinro's success is no reason to deny this as 1) he used a lot of cheese as well and 2) people cheese AGAINST him a lot because they don't expect a macro game from them 3) jinro had opponent's with a TERRIBLE lategame so far in GSL (moon was awful, polt suicided himself and choya lost more to the cheese then lategame from jinro actually). B) the mappool favors cheese too much because there are a few maps where the rush distance is extremely short, if steppes & blistering sands would be removed and close spawn LT/meta is eliminated the game would see ALOT less cheese. Terran would be very underpowered as well though if this happened as they have the worst macro game.
Basically I think a small lategame terran buff along with balancing the map pool would be a fine solution to the current problems.
lmao tester doing great? I will laugh at all the memebers of TL who says he is still good after failing to qualiy in 2 GSLs. Yes, he might be unlucky with cheese but two GSLs? That is really depressing. Can't freaken wait to see idrA hating on tester rather than praising him when he gets crushed.
On December 09 2010 17:10 Markwerf wrote: Idra's narcisism is funny to see. I agree with a lot of stuff he sais but basically his hate for 'cheesy' play is completely throwing off his perspective of the game. THe fact he is narcistic is so easy to see by the fact he doesn't think anyone is good (except for jinro, which is basically a must if you are doing a interview that will be posted on TL) while thinking basically everyone is crap. His weakness is just never wanting to cheese because it looks so stupid when cheese fails. As a result he is basically a way too predictable player though and I won't predict he will go far in GSL alot. Also all this talk of jinro being such a macro player is overrated too. Jinro won almost the entire MLG on cheesy plays and also used a fair bit of cheese in GSL (like steppes against choya and he tried to as well on DQ). All-in play should just be a part of every player's game as it makes one unpredictable, also as idra SHOULD learn cheesy play is also the easiest way to DEFEND against cheesy play. People always cheese idra because there is basically no fear idra will cheese you just before or at the same time, while if you do a 1-base all-in the biggest fear is usually the other player doing a 1-base all-in that directly counters yours. For example jinro lost his game on DQ vs choya because he tried to do 1 base banshee/raven play while choya was doing 1 base fast robo play.
I love the fact idra just spits everything out but his view of the game is completely wrong in many aspects simply because he doesn't "like" certain aspects of the game. If the game was all macro games it would be way more boring, the balance between macro and cheese is the only problem at the moment. Also claiming that 'mules' are the reason cheese plays are so strong is just rediculous, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. THe only thing Mules changed compared to sc1 is making 14 cc a dead build as it's economically worse then rax first, that however is a very small difference to the cheese factor terran needs to use. The real reason cheese see's so much play is the fact that A) terran is underpowered late game, jinro's success is no reason to deny this as 1) he used a lot of cheese as well and 2) people cheese AGAINST him a lot because they don't expect a macro game from them 3) jinro had opponent's with a TERRIBLE lategame so far in GSL (moon was awful, polt suicided himself and choya lost more to the cheese then lategame from jinro actually). B) the mappool favors cheese too much because there are a few maps where the rush distance is extremely short, if steppes & blistering sands would be removed and close spawn LT/meta is eliminated the game would see ALOT less cheese. Terran would be very underpowered as well though if this happened as they have the worst macro game.
Basically I think a small lategame terran buff along with balancing the map pool would be a fine solution to the current problems.
1) If Idra is a narcisist, so is half the people I face on ladder. 2) It of course depends on how you define "far" but he have already gone further in these first gsl than most players. 3) No one has said that Jinro never cheese or all-in, but claiming he cheesed his way through MLG is ridiculous. 4) Also your claim that mules have "nothing to do" with cheese is what is ridiculous... "THe only thing Mules changed compared to sc1 is making 14 cc a dead build as it's economically worse then rax first, that however is a very small difference to the cheese factor terran needs to use." Just lol.
Idra got a mind just like me. Were really much a like when it comes to thinking i guess. Idra knows he got talent and knowledge. He will make it far in the next GSL
By the way i would love to see more of Leenock! that kid got some great skills going on.
Is it just me or does it seem like Idra keeps getting less and less negative in each interview? I enjoyed this one. I like his attitude but sometimes I feel like he can go a little overboard with it. But recently it's seemed different.
I love IdrA's commentary, whether he's calling someone bad or just talking about the game. We know that he's a Starcraft elitist, but that's why we love him!
Thank you to Artosis and Idra for the great interview, it was quite interesting.
The replay was awesome quality and the volume levels were pretty much perfect for me. Solo commentating by Artosis is still just as good, I'm going to subscribe to your youtube channel keep up the good work!
Thanks Artosis. Everyone loves Idra, it's just some people don't know it yet. As long as he's not in the middle of losing a game, his views are actually pretty balanced and he doesn't qq that much.
Hey I live in China and the great national firewall here blocks whatever site that hosts this interview. Just a quick question, did Idra say something about Jinro and his recent performance? If so, what did he say?
On December 09 2010 18:39 borny wrote: Hey I live in China and the great national firewall here blocks whatever site that hosts this interview. Just a quick question, did Idra say something about Jinro and his recent performance? If so, what did he say?
It's hosted on YouTube, so it's no surprise that it's blocked in your country.
Idra said that Jinro was the most impressive Terran in the GSL, better than any Korean he's seen. Praised him for being one of the few Terrans willing to play a macro game. Made a funny comment about people complaining about supposed Terran weakness in the late game being proven wrong by Jinro.
On December 09 2010 18:39 borny wrote: Hey I live in China and the great national firewall here blocks whatever site that hosts this interview. Just a quick question, did Idra say something about Jinro and his recent performance? If so, what did he say?
He was quite complementary of him saying things like him and MC should be the final and when they analysed the class S players and the favourites for each race he only said Jinro for terrans.
Thank you! Both for a nice interview and because you upload to youtube now - had so much problems with your old videos on scforall.
On December 09 2010 19:10 wonderwall wrote: Great to hear Idra straight shooting and giving his honest opinion on the players in GSL. Instead of just generic comments he says who is the better player, where the winner is most likely to come from, who is good in the game, who is lacking, interesting stuff. He's got the right idea with the direction the game needs to go. Scouting is always good and the more information we have the less powerful cheese becomes.
That's idra delivering as always! Even if he has been over the top now and then, most of the time he is just honest and it is sooo much more interesting than the generic speak. No matter what the event/subject (well, obviously it should be sc2 related) his opinion is always one I like to hear.
Oh, and as some point out he seems more "mannered" here than previously, but I believe he always gave credit where he thought it was due. Thing is in sc foreigners were inferior to Koreans, and from his perspective most were shit. Now that foreigners can compete at top level we will see different interviews from him.
Great to hear Idra straight shooting and giving his honest opinion on the players in GSL. Instead of just generic comments he says who is the better player, where the winner is most likely to come from, who is good in the game, who is lacking, interesting stuff. He's got the right idea with the direction the game needs to go. Scouting is always good and the more information we have the less powerful cheese becomes.
Thanks for the interview, but please get a real microphone, and please think about the background in the interview, you can't just sit in a hallway with ugly wall behind you and a half of a door x).
what a great and honest interview. None of that modest/humble facade that some koreans hide behind.
My fav question was when artosis handed a list of players to IdrA and asks him to list the bad players. LOL such a perfect question designed for the gracken. He just goes reading off the names and calling them bad. LOLLLL
what was most hilarious about this interview is that i watched it, tuned into Idra's stream, the second opponent he was matched up with since i tuned in was indeed HongUnPrime, and he massacred him nearly effortlessly. LOL
On December 09 2010 18:54 adeezy wrote: Idra's best interview thus far, he went up in my book a lot, especially because of his stream and doing things for fans.
On December 09 2010 21:23 Herculix wrote: what was most hilarious about this interview is that i watched it, tuned into Idra's stream, the second opponent he was matched up with since i tuned in was indeed HongUnPrime, and he massacred him nearly effortlessly. LOL
It probably wasnt hongun though, I doubt he would be openly laddering just before his GSL semifinal. They all play on smurf accounts and switch around to trick the opponents trying to get some intel.
Not saying that Idra cant beat him but wouldnt read too much into it.
On December 09 2010 21:23 Herculix wrote: what was most hilarious about this interview is that i watched it, tuned into Idra's stream, the second opponent he was matched up with since i tuned in was indeed HongUnPrime, and he massacred him nearly effortlessly. LOL
It probably wasnt hongun though, I doubt he would be openly laddering just before his GSL semifinal. They all play on smurf accounts and switch around to trick the opponents trying to get some intel.
Not saying that Idra cant beat him but wouldnt read too much into it.
IT was hongun, 3 gate voidray all-in... screams hongun...
You clearly don't understand what people do before a match lol.
On December 09 2010 18:56 hefty wrote: Thank you! Both for a nice interview and because you upload to youtube now - had so much problems with your old videos on scforall.
On December 09 2010 19:10 wonderwall wrote: Great to hear Idra straight shooting and giving his honest opinion on the players in GSL. Instead of just generic comments he says who is the better player, where the winner is most likely to come from, who is good in the game, who is lacking, interesting stuff. He's got the right idea with the direction the game needs to go. Scouting is always good and the more information we have the less powerful cheese becomes.
That's idra delivering as always! Even if he has been over the top now and then, most of the time he is just honest and it is sooo much more interesting than the generic speak. No matter what the event/subject (well, obviously it should be sc2 related) his opinion is always one I like to hear.
Oh, and as some point out he seems more "mannered" here than previously, but I believe he always gave credit where he thought it was due. Thing is in sc foreigners were inferior to Koreans, and from his perspective most were shit. Now that foreigners can compete at top level we will see different interviews from him.
I think that's what most people don't understand. Sometimes Idra is rather over the top but he is almost always honest. He just says how he feels. Many pros have similar feelings about certain players but just don't express it.
That being said his rage on ladder is rather over the top and not needed.
On December 09 2010 21:23 Herculix wrote: what was most hilarious about this interview is that i watched it, tuned into Idra's stream, the second opponent he was matched up with since i tuned in was indeed HongUnPrime, and he massacred him nearly effortlessly. LOL
It probably wasnt hongun though, I doubt he would be openly laddering just before his GSL semifinal. They all play on smurf accounts and switch around to trick the opponents trying to get some intel.
Not saying that Idra cant beat him but wouldnt read too much into it.
IT was hongun, 3 gate voidray all-in... screams hongun...
You clearly don't understand what people do before a match lol.
Yea clearly I dont understand considering Jinro played on another account and his teammates then played 25 games on it to erase the history even on the smurf account whilst you think hongun just practices his Terran GSL builds versus a zerg openly on a ladder whilst its being streamed lol.
On December 09 2010 17:44 backtoback wrote: lmao tester doing great? I will laugh at all the memebers of TL who says he is still good after failing to qualiy in 2 GSLs. Yes, he might be unlucky with cheese but two GSLs? That is really depressing. Can't freaken wait to see idrA hating on tester rather than praising him when he gets crushed.
If you watched the Gstar games tester played in you might think differently.
Very interesting thoughts on the all-ins. I had been thinking much the same myself over the last few weeks - the new macro mechanics just make the fundamental difference between sc2 and BW and cause the early all-ins to be so powerful.
I wonder what would happen if Queens were lair tech, warpgate was twilight council and mules were a factory upgrade? (Not sure about were chrono would come in). I guess that's just too huge a change to be realistically accomplished. Clearly zerg's tech tree would have to be re-arranged to get some AA in before lair, but I've always thought Roaches and Hydras could be swapped with a little tweaking...
Thanks Artosis. Great to see you getting back in the mix so to speak! haha
Did anyone else find it funny that Idra just dimed out some players, saying they shouldn't have been there because of cheese? Start some team wars what what??
Such great material! I hope your computer never breaks again, and can't wait to see some of the chaff fall out of Code-S. I especially agree w/Idra that Rainbow and Nestea are overrated, and also sad to see Fruitdealer slip in that last round as he is my favorite zerg to watch stylistically.
Love that IdrA is the only one who has a bad reputation which makes him immune to not being honest; If he thinks someone is bad he'll say it and he can easily explain why... no one else dares to put it in those words.
On December 09 2010 23:10 BetterFasterStronger wrote:
On December 09 2010 23:06 Vimsey wrote:
On December 09 2010 21:23 Herculix wrote: what was most hilarious about this interview is that i watched it, tuned into Idra's stream, the second opponent he was matched up with since i tuned in was indeed HongUnPrime, and he massacred him nearly effortlessly. LOL
It probably wasnt hongun though, I doubt he would be openly laddering just before his GSL semifinal. They all play on smurf accounts and switch around to trick the opponents trying to get some intel.
Not saying that Idra cant beat him but wouldnt read too much into it.
IT was hongun, 3 gate voidray all-in... screams hongun...
You clearly don't understand what people do before a match lol.
Yea clearly I dont understand considering Jinro played on another account and his teammates then played 25 games on it to erase the history even on the smurf account whilst you think hongun just practices his Terran GSL builds versus a zerg openly on a ladder whilst its being streamed lol.
Seeing as how HongUn did that same build he used on Idra against Rain. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was HongUn.
It's a shame too, cause Idra smashed it on the stream and then Rain smashed it on Game 2 of the Semis. Ouch for HongUn
On December 10 2010 04:15 Jampackedeon wrote: Such great material! I hope your computer never breaks again, and can't wait to see some of the chaff fall out of Code-S. I especially agree w/Idra that Rainbow and Nestea are overrated, and also sad to see Fruitdealer slip in that last round as he is my favorite zerg to watch stylistically.
Did he really say Nestea and Rainbow are overated?
They have achieved so much more than him... and showed stronger plays.
I like IdrA's blunt attitude, but sometimes I think he is a little bit off in his assessments. He probably thinks hes better than these players despite going out early each GSL, and all three of the players he lost to promptly lost in the next round.
Did he really say Nestea and Rainbow are overated?
They have achieved so much more than him... and showed stronger plays.
I like IdrA's blunt attitude, but sometimes I think he is a little bit off in his assessments. He probably thinks hes better than these players despite going out early each GSL, and all three of the players he lost to promptly lost in the next round.
He didn't say they were over-rated. He said rainbow is terrible, and gave a perfect explanation..he played really really bad. He cheesed and executed horribly in the last rounds he played in, he lost in some very ugly games.
Idra may have gone out but most of his series were well played solid matches imho, he just goes out to aggresive play, by very good players (IMMvP top ranked ladder player in world right?) As he stated aggressive play is very strong and scary right now, its high risk/reward that still works alot of the time at this stage in the game. I really find no fault in much of his analysis.
loved his criticism of the other s-class players at the end, pure comedy.
Nice interview but that ZvZ was extremely boring... I hope the match-up doesn't get locked up into that sort of play all the time. I'd take BW ZvZ over that easy.
Did he really say Nestea and Rainbow are overated?
They have achieved so much more than him... and showed stronger plays.
I like IdrA's blunt attitude, but sometimes I think he is a little bit off in his assessments. He probably thinks hes better than these players despite going out early each GSL, and all three of the players he lost to promptly lost in the next round.
I don't understand the connection between having an opinion and having to be better than the person to have that opinion of them.
I mean if that is the case than this forum wouldn't exist, as it is pretty much 1000s of people deciding who is good and who isn't and they are nowhere near their skill level. Idra is as close as we get to the inside the game point of view in Korean. Most of the time and it is a great point of view from a high level player who is competing at that level(this will hopefully change now that there are more foreign players there but for a while it was just Idra). He is clearly a skilled enough player to assess the other players around Korea so it isn't like he is some hack spouting out his opinions. Like it or not he is right most of the time.
The guy has done more than enough to be credible, he has accomplished plenty, and I for one am glad he is willing to just say it as it is and not sugercoat everything which gets so old in this PC world we are in.
Did he really say Nestea and Rainbow are overated?
They have achieved so much more than him... and showed stronger plays.
I like IdrA's blunt attitude, but sometimes I think he is a little bit off in his assessments. He probably thinks hes better than these players despite going out early each GSL, and all three of the players he lost to promptly lost in the next round.
I don't understand the connection between having an opinion and having to be better than the person to have that opinion of them.
I mean if that is the case than this forum wouldn't exist, as it is pretty much 1000s of people deciding who is good and who isn't and they are nowhere near their skill level. Idra is as close as we get to the inside the game point of view in Korean. Most of the time and it is a great point of view from a high level player who is competing at that level(this will hopefully change now that there are more foreign players there but for a while it was just Idra). He is clearly a skilled enough player to assess the other players around Korea so it isn't like he is some hack spouting out his opinions. Like it or not he is right most of the time.
The guy has done more than enough to be credible, he has accomplished plenty, and I for one am glad he is willing to just say it as it is and not sugercoat everything which gets so old in this PC world we are in.
If what you say is true then IdrA should also think himself to be an absolute failure and terrible player which I personally dont believe at all and I really doubt he thinks that about himself.
Say what you like about IdrA's opponents but they have not been impressive in the GSL. Mvp looked lost in the next set vs choya, lotze got beat badly and never seen again.. and Zenio lost in straight sets to the 'overated' Nestea.
I like his frank opinions and enjoy watching him play but I really think he exaggerates a whole lot.
If what you say is true then IdrA should also think himself to be an absolute failure and terrible player which I personally dont believe at all and I really doubt he thinks that about himself.
Say what you like about IdrA's opponents but they have not been impressive in the GSL. Mvp looked lost in the next set vs choya, lotze got beat badly and never seen again.. and Zenio lost in straight sets to the 'overated' Nestea.
I like his frank opinions and enjoy watching him play but I really think he exaggerates a whole lot.
What are you talking about? I was simply making the comment that you can have an opinion on someone you don't have to be better than them to have that opinion, it can still be valid. I think you are misunderstanding what I wrote to be honest, because your response seems to make 0 sense to me.
Can someone post a korean translation to their site and telling them what idra thinks about how bad the some of the pro gamers are..??? I would love to see their reaction in the forthcoming matches.. hahah
On December 10 2010 14:11 Jermstuddog wrote: IdrA has still proven plenty that his opinions are fairly accurate. So lets take a few seconds and appreciate all the awesome that is IdrA.
He has proven he is not as solid as the players he disses...
I doubt idra will ever be good enough to win a gsl, for the simple reason that he's not a allround player and super predictable.
^perhaps (actually I would be very surprised if he actually won GSL, since next time it's pure Code S), but that does not make him any less of a worthy critic of the SC2 scene since he actually lives it. He doesn't need to be better than players to say they aren't good or are overrated.
If what you say is true then IdrA should also think himself to be an absolute failure and terrible player which I personally dont believe at all and I really doubt he thinks that about himself.
Say what you like about IdrA's opponents but they have not been impressive in the GSL. Mvp looked lost in the next set vs choya, lotze got beat badly and never seen again.. and Zenio lost in straight sets to the 'overated' Nestea.
I like his frank opinions and enjoy watching him play but I really think he exaggerates a whole lot.
What are you talking about? I was simply making the comment that you can have an opinion on someone you don't have to be better than them to have that opinion, it can still be valid. I think you are misunderstanding what I wrote to be honest, because your response seems to make 0 sense to me.
He understood you perfectly but you don't seem to understand.
I absolutly agree that you can have an opinion on peoples skill even if they are better then you. But if X says Y is a bad player but Y is better than X (I'm beeing hypothetical here, cause that's always arguable), then you would have to consider X an even worse player.
Now you have to understand that if I (some random sc2 nerd) would say Y is bad and Y is a progamer, I would of course mean he is bad in the context of being a progamer/top lever player and I am of course worse. But if X (a pro gamer himself) says the same thing about Y you really have to wonder, what would that make X?
Just trying to make the above discussion clear, I'm not commenting on who I think is the better player and I love that Idra always says what he thinks.
Idra has really good music on the streams. And about who is overrated on who is not, we will see next year the gsl, when ppl will know how to counter better the all ins or rushes, and we will see longer and more skill related matches then this year. Idra is good in longer games, maybe even the Nestea or Rainbow, he deservers an opinion. I started to like this guy even if first i disliked he, he seems to be full of him, but turned out he is pretty good. Yeah he don`t win any GSL and don`t even BO8 but he has Code S, that means allot, he is constant and he is better and better. GG Idra!
150$/hour coaching seems he lost not only the game also his mind He can't be serious that his work is worth this.Most comes from training and not a guy telling you that this is map is sooooooooooo terran favoured.
On December 11 2010 05:56 alonndo wrote: 150$/hour coaching seems he lost not only the game also his mind He can't be serious that his work is worth this.Most comes from training and not a guy telling you that this is map is sooooooooooo terran favoured.
Well, people who do this deserve it anyways
Idra explained why it's $150 / hour on State of the Game
he does not want to spend a lot of his time on coaching, so the $150 / hour price tag eliminates a very large portion of people who are interested in receiving Starcraft coaching.
"You do Roach/Ling all-ins and sometimes u look like genius, and sometimes u get beat by Hong-un.Prime" LOL, Idra brings his joke-boots to the interview!
Why do people still hate on IdrA? Honestly, he's probably the coolest pro gamer around right now. You would charge $150 an hour for coaching if you actually valued your time (or you had fans that would actually pay that much, LOL). And watching his stream is better than Christmas.
You guys are making too big a deal about Idra's bluntness. Those are his observations, not every good player has to be humble and say "Oh Nestea is so good, oh rainbow is so good".
His observations about certain players are interesting and provide an insight to what a good SC2 player's impressions of korean sc2 players are like from personal experience, it doesn't have to be absolutely true.
On December 11 2010 03:00 crms wrote: This is why I love IdrA he's just brutally honest and more often than not pretty damn accurate. thanks for the video.
What is honest about saying some1 who won gsl is bad? When he could never do that himself?
On December 11 2010 07:41 toadstool wrote: You guys are making too big a deal about Idra's bluntness. Those are his observations, not every good player has to be humble and say "Oh Nestea is so good, oh rainbow is so good".
His observations about certain players are interesting and provide an insight to what a good SC2 player's impressions of korean sc2 players are like from personal experience, it doesn't have to be absolutely true.
Now that i had a chance to watch i agree it was a good interview. He didnt really diss nestea that much - still considered him top 2 zergs. I doubt rainbow will drop off tho, hes too good for that.
On December 11 2010 03:00 crms wrote: This is why I love IdrA he's just brutally honest and more often than not pretty damn accurate. thanks for the video.
What is honest about saying some1 who won gsl is bad? When he could never do that himself?
That's just being a hater :D.
You should learn to hear properly honestly. He just said Nestea was not as good as Artosis thinks he is. That's way different from calling him bad. Plus he clearly said Nestea isn't bad.
Great interview tho, thx to you two. Amazing stream btw.
On December 11 2010 03:00 crms wrote: This is why I love IdrA he's just brutally honest and more often than not pretty damn accurate. thanks for the video.
What is honest about saying some1 who won gsl is bad? When he could never do that himself?
That's just being a hater :D.
You should learn to hear properly honestly. He just said Nestea was not as good as Artosis thinks he is. That's way different from calling him bad. Plus he clearly said Nestea isn't bad.
Great interview tho, thx to you two. Amazing stream btw.
Because he realised he would look like a even bigger hater, since before he said something along the lines ''some1 that bad can be gsl champ''.
i agree the power of the all ins are supported by the structure of the game. the activation of warp gates. The explosion of resources by mules, and the larva boom by zerg. Im predicting Terran all ins to be significantly less effective with the new patch, making the repairing scvs have more priority will help greatly.
On December 15 2010 08:01 Liquid_Adun wrote: i agree the power of the all ins are supported by the structure of the game. the activation of warp gates. The explosion of resources by mules, and the larva boom by zerg. Im predicting Terran all ins to be significantly less effective with the new patch, making the repairing scvs have more priority will help greatly.
True, and I think the all-ins hurt the lower tier players even more. Because the execution of a terran all-in takes a lot less skill than defending it. The defending player has to be a lot better than the executing player. As we can clearly see in the GSL the difference isn't always big enough for zerg to hold it. As says IdrA.
It's quite obvious from the replays where I lost as zerg to a terran all-in. Taking my terrible mistakes and lack of good decision-making aside, I lose to players with 25 APM in diamond. I have never faced a zerg-player with 25 APM in diamond, yet in my replays I have tons of terrans with 25-35APM.. I suck for not dealing with it appropriately, but it still feels lame terrans that are that slow still get a decent chance... Not saying the match-up is Imba, just that "some" of the strats for terran require obviously less skill to be executed decently.