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I enjoyed Iron Fist, though it certainly isn't anything on par with what they've done during Daredevil season 1 and 2, even though it is very similar in terms of story and content.
The main reason for that is DD season 1 and 2's storylines were based on great stories to begin with. Most of them written by Frank Miller, who redefined the genre back in the 80s.
Iron Fist and Luke Cage on the other hand are based on cheesy 70s origin stories... The writers did a decent job, it's not gold but still enjoyable imo.
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i'm so intrigued in reviews for the marvel netflix shows! i'm seeing mostly Luke Cage as the benchmark for worst but to me it was light years better than Jessica Jones.
I'm only two episodes into Iron Fist i think, but overall i've enjoyed it. it's TREMENDOUSLY slow. but i'm still not bored watching it? but it's slowness means i'm only watching one episode at a time. this series is just straight not binge-worthy for me.
but like i said, it's still better than Jessica Jones.
i don't get the criticism for Finn Jones' acting. he seems pretty good so far. personally i don't put any stock in fight scene choreography, it's just not my thing. but i get it. it's definitely a little less flashy/looks less convincing. but that aside i think Danny is a well-acted character.
will certainly be watching more.
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Watched the whole show in a few days.
It's pretty bad. And that really, really bums me out, mostly because I feel bad for Finn Jones. Dude's a pretty good actor, but the material he's given... both in Game of Thrones and in Iron Fist, ouch. The writing on this show is incredibly inconsistent. The dialogue goes from acceptable to down right terrible. There's too many examples to list really, but yeah, the dialogue took me out of watching the show in more than one episode.
The fight choreography, of course, is bad. It's even worse when you compare it to Daredevil, which set the standard very high. Thing is, I would even rank this show below Luke Cage, which I thought was mediocre. But at least, Luke Cage captivated me through the first half and up until episode 7 or 8. It's the second half that's absolutely horrible, with loads of corny dialogue and a forgettable, subpar villain.
Iron Fist is worse though. There's very few redeemable qualities. Ward carries the show, that's about it. I also liked Harold to be honest, but he also got off the rails a bit. His character was still interesting.
Anyway... I'm hoping they replace the writers for season 2, and allow for Finn Jones to train more. Plus better choreography. I remain hopeful they can salvage it somewhat.
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Honestly dont know why the show is getting such bad reviews. I thought it was enjoyable.
I mean the only cristism is the fighting scenes are sub par compared to daredevil. But the general story and dynamic i thought was interesting and there are lots of good characters.
I certainly enjoyed it more than jessica jones... which i thought was a snooze.
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On March 22 2017 21:40 Spaylz wrote: Watched the whole show in a few days.
It's pretty bad. And that really, really bums me out, mostly because I feel bad for Finn Jones. Dude's a pretty good actor, but the material he's given... both in Game of Thrones and in Iron Fist, ouch. The writing on this show is incredibly inconsistent. The dialogue goes from acceptable to down right terrible. There's too many examples to list really, but yeah, the dialogue took me out of watching the show in more than one episode.
The fight choreography, of course, is bad. It's even worse when you compare it to Daredevil, which set the standard very high. Thing is, I would even rank this show below Luke Cage, which I thought was mediocre. But at least, Luke Cage captivated me through the first half and up until episode 7 or 8. It's the second half that's absolutely horrible, with loads of corny dialogue and a forgettable, subpar villain.
Iron Fist is worse though. There's very few redeemable qualities. Ward carries the show, that's about it. I also liked Harold to be honest, but he also got off the rails a bit. His character was still interesting.
Anyway... I'm hoping they replace the writers for season 2, and allow for Finn Jones to train more. Plus better choreography. I remain hopeful they can salvage it somewhat. Come on. Gao was awesome in every scene she showed up.
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i fail to understand how the 3 biggest shareholders can be "voted out" of the company tho?
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On March 23 2017 07:36 Pulimuli wrote: i fail to understand how the 3 biggest shareholders can be "voted out" of the company tho? Can still be the 3 biggest individual shareholders and not have a majority when combined. Like 10% is bigger than 1%, but three 10%s are not bigger than seventy 1%s.
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On March 24 2017 06:37 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2017 07:36 Pulimuli wrote: i fail to understand how the 3 biggest shareholders can be "voted out" of the company tho? Can still be the 3 biggest individual shareholders and not have a majority when combined. Like 10% is bigger than 1%, but three 10%s are not bigger than seventy 1%s. Danny alone has 51%.
And they were not voted out of the company, just out of the controlling board. They still own most stocks. They can probably do something with that long term.
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On March 24 2017 07:01 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2017 06:37 WolfintheSheep wrote:On March 23 2017 07:36 Pulimuli wrote: i fail to understand how the 3 biggest shareholders can be "voted out" of the company tho? Can still be the 3 biggest individual shareholders and not have a majority when combined. Like 10% is bigger than 1%, but three 10%s are not bigger than seventy 1%s. Danny alone has 51%. And they were not voted out of the company, just out of the controlling board. They still own most stocks. They can probably do something with that long term. Okay that's just silly then.
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On March 24 2017 07:02 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2017 07:01 -Archangel- wrote:On March 24 2017 06:37 WolfintheSheep wrote:On March 23 2017 07:36 Pulimuli wrote: i fail to understand how the 3 biggest shareholders can be "voted out" of the company tho? Can still be the 3 biggest individual shareholders and not have a majority when combined. Like 10% is bigger than 1%, but three 10%s are not bigger than seventy 1%s. Danny alone has 51%. And they were not voted out of the company, just out of the controlling board. They still own most stocks. They can probably do something with that long term. Okay that's just silly then. Depending how that company works. Maybe stockholders don't get to decide who is on the board of directors but only the board itself does that.
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You can hold the majority, but still won't get a vote if you're not present at the board meeting... and since Danny the biggest shareholder was not present (even though he probably was invited), the Meachum siblings* were voted off by the majority of the board.
*Fun fact: Ward is Harold's brother/Joy's uncle in the comics. The story works way better with them being siblings on the show though, at least in my humble opnion.
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I liked it well enough, it occupied time. I think like other people have said here it stunk of its time a bit. Honestly I am more interested in the comic now than the show.
The ideas of cities of heaven reminded me of Diablo 2, so I'm going to pick up a couple volumes of Iron Fist and see how the books read.
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This entire show didn't leave any impression at all on me. I saw it all over the course of a week and I couldn't bring myself to pay any attention to it. Are there no interesting Marvel Heroes left?
Luke Cage was a great show about a boring ass hero, it was watchable because of the great acting and greater music, but this seems to be scraping the bottom of the barrel in both the quality of the show and the hero.
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On March 24 2017 19:59 ThomasjServo wrote: I liked it well enough, it occupied time. I think like other people have said here it stunk of its time a bit. Honestly I am more interested in the comic now than the show.
The ideas of cities of heaven reminded me of Diablo 2, so I'm going to pick up a couple volumes of Iron Fist and see how the books read. You should consider the Immortal Iron Fist volume, as the second arc deals with Danny Rand returning to K'un-Lun and interacting with the other Immortal Weapons.
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On March 25 2017 00:02 Xarles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2017 19:59 ThomasjServo wrote: I liked it well enough, it occupied time. I think like other people have said here it stunk of its time a bit. Honestly I am more interested in the comic now than the show.
The ideas of cities of heaven reminded me of Diablo 2, so I'm going to pick up a couple volumes of Iron Fist and see how the books read. You should consider the Immortal Iron Fist volume, as the second arc deals with Danny Rand returning to K'un-Lun and interacting with the other Immortal Weapons. That is what I was looking at, been checking my library for it. Should be a fun read.
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Wenham playing Harold Meechum is pretty OP. I could listen to the guy talk for hours.
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On March 24 2017 07:12 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2017 07:02 WolfintheSheep wrote:On March 24 2017 07:01 -Archangel- wrote:On March 24 2017 06:37 WolfintheSheep wrote:On March 23 2017 07:36 Pulimuli wrote: i fail to understand how the 3 biggest shareholders can be "voted out" of the company tho? Can still be the 3 biggest individual shareholders and not have a majority when combined. Like 10% is bigger than 1%, but three 10%s are not bigger than seventy 1%s. Danny alone has 51%. And they were not voted out of the company, just out of the controlling board. They still own most stocks. They can probably do something with that long term. Okay that's just silly then. Depending how that company works. Maybe stockholders don't get to decide who is on the board of directors but only the board itself does that.
Not really, any publicly traded company votes on board members unless you have non voting shares... which are only really preferred shares... which they wouldnt own if they owned the company. . So if they owned the majority of the shares they could just vote themselves back in at the next shareholder meeting as a proposal. In fact im pretty sure they could have just blocked it at the outset.
There is literally 0 way to force people off the board who own the controlling interest in the company beyond a court order for something crazy.
What the show does is make board membership and their jobs synonymous ,i.e. canned them as executives. Which means they wont be running the day to day operations of the company.
They would still be board members if they decided too make an issue out of it.
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On March 24 2017 21:36 DickMcFanny wrote: This entire show didn't leave any impression at all on me. I saw it all over the course of a week and I couldn't bring myself to pay any attention to it. Are there no interesting Marvel Heroes left?
Luke Cage was a great show about a boring ass hero, it was watchable because of the great acting and greater music, but this seems to be scraping the bottom of the barrel in both the quality of the show and the hero.
I believe the first half of Luke Cage was great, but the 2nd half was horrible.
Diamondback had absolutely no qualities that made him a sufficient villain. He was campy as hell, he was not intimidating, he was not entertaining, his fight scenes were the worst ones in the entire show, and the whole mech suit thing was beyond retarded. He was not sufficiently developed, and he was a "token villain" - meaning there was no gray area's. The best villains are the ones who have gray area's and you can relate to in some sort of way. (For example, Fisk in DD, or Cottonmouth in the first half of LC seemed like they were approaching that kind of character development, but then the "plot twist"...
I believe first half of LC was better than IF, but IF was far better than 2nd half of LC.
The rest sounds, to me, like you weren't really familiar with Iron Fist (or Luke Cage) in the first place. Because he acted quite like the character. It's easy to mistake it for bad acting if you aren't familiar with the character. And if you were familiar, you likely wouldn't think of them as "boring" heroes.
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I must have missed something with the end of the series. Joy turned on her father because she realized he was trying to set up Danny. Then at the end of the episode she wants to help conspire to kill him...?
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