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The Titan (2018)
This film is shit. The responsible thing to do would be to spoil the ending so no-one who reads this ever feels like they should have to watch it. Its rubbish and doesn't make any sense at all. Every decision every character makes is stupid. Sam Worthington is boring as fuck. yeesh
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On March 21 2019 02:58 Plansix wrote: Also, the film establishes that people with force powers learn to use their abilities naturally. This is also established in Empire, because Luke is not taught to pull the light saber to his hand in the previous film. Lifting rocks or using mind control doesn't seem like a big ask. The Jedi teachings seem to be more about control and avoiding/understanding the darker side of the force.
Yoda teaches Luke levitation prior to the Bespin duel - Force pulling is a telekinetic variant so it was a trivial leap to take. It also took him a while to perform it to a reasonable extent.
Both levitation and mind control are nigh impossible to pull off without instruction, especially the latter (which was only used by Knights and above prior to TFA).
On March 21 2019 21:00 Pandemona wrote: I am just going to say, me and my dad have seen every transformers movie in the cinema and loved every single one (minus the opening 10 minutes of the latest one, we were like the fuck is Merlin doing in a transformers film xd)
No lie, the first Transformers is a good popcorn movie. Michael Bay was an ace blockbuster director when Bruckheimer was around to rein in his excessive tendencies.
On March 21 2019 22:31 Plansix wrote: It is ok to like some hot trash, which is why I unapologetically love the movie Avatar, even as I make fun of its space white savior narrative and cheer when that very big robot pulls out that very tiny robot knife.
Avatar isn't a bad movie. It's an aesthetically stunning one that used stellar advances in technology to obfuscate a bland, predictable story. Dances with Wolves on an alien planet is hardly stupider than the conceit of The Shape of Water; both rely on archetypal dynamics to the same extent. The latter played up its sentimental aspects to a harder extent and was far more intimate than a blockbuster.
On March 21 2019 23:34 The_Red_Viper wrote: And i don't get why people dislike the movie as much as they do, every argument i see is objectively wrong or tries to nitpick the movie to a degree where it's just hilariously dumb. One sees so many hyperboles around this movie that one would imagine it to be one of the worst movies ever, when in reality it is a star wars movies with flaws and strengths like any other star wars movie before (and of the 8 main saga movies it is one of the best, deal with it)
The Last Jedi is a dumb movie that attempts to disguise itself as a transgressive one focused on deconstructing the norms of its franchise. Unlike a satisfying action movie it cannot demarcate the basic logistics of its universe or character relationships, which leads to it either violating its own internal logic or overlooking obvious solutions that would've solved plot obstacles. Jettisoning the moral framework of the previous Star Wars trilogies also divests the film of meaningful tension. They are many objective reasons to dislike it and its faults are quite different from The Empire Strikes Back or The Phantom Menace.
It's one of those rare instances where the moniker 'pretentious' is apt.
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All the Star Wars movies suck, so at least the most recent trilogy fits right in.
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On March 22 2019 11:00 CosmicSpiral wrote: Avatar isn't a bad movie. It's an aesthetically stunning one that used stellar advances in technology to obfuscate a bland, predictable story.
I really liked Avatar for the world-building, not the actual story. If you think on it and apply some of the Numenera (P&P RPG) logic to it then it becomes truly awesome.
Everything in this movie points to it really. Some of the rock formations and structures we see in the movie do not look natural at all. If we assume they're remnants of some old, super-advanced civilization that for some reason died out or left we get a clearer picture. What if the whole of Pandora is pretty much a great bio-machine created by this civ? An amalgam of biological life and technology. Notice how creatures on the planet have "interfaces" that let them interact with each other. You even have this sort of main plug where you connect to the planet itself (I'm thinking this old civ got to the singularity tech and have just transcended to live in the cloud inside Pandora). All the creatures on the planet are the eyes, ears and defense mechanism of Pandora itself, which makes sense since even if you built robots they would degrade over time (both in terms of power source and materials) but if you do it with biological organisms you can potentially get an infinite supply of drones, workers, warriors, whatever that get recycled as long as ecology of the system is stable. That's where humans come in and destabilize the ecosytem...
That's an oversimplification, but it's still cool.
Numenera intro if you don't know what it is:
They say there have been eight worlds before ours. Eight times the people of this Earth, over vast millennia, built their civilizations, reaching heights we cannot even fully imagine now. They spoke to the stars, reshaped the creatures of the world, and mastered form and essence. They built cities and machines that have since crumbled to dust, leaving only their barest remnants.
This is the Ninth World. The people of the prior worlds are gone—scattered, disappeared, or transcended. But their works remain, in the places and devices that still contain some germ of their original function. The ignorant call these magic, but the wise know that these are our legacy. They are our future. They are the Numenera.
Set a billion years in our future, Numenera is a tabletop roleplaying game about exploration and discovery. The people of the Ninth World suffer through a dark age, an era of isolation and struggle in the shadow of the ancient wonders crafted by civilizations millennia gone. But discovery awaits for those brave enough to seek out the works of the prior worlds. Those who can uncover and master the numenera can unlock the powers and abilities of the ancients, and perhaps bring new light to a struggling world.
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You know what would've saved TLJ? Kylo and Ren deciding to run away together, living a life of recluses.
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On March 22 2019 11:00 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2019 23:34 The_Red_Viper wrote: And i don't get why people dislike the movie as much as they do, every argument i see is objectively wrong or tries to nitpick the movie to a degree where it's just hilariously dumb. One sees so many hyperboles around this movie that one would imagine it to be one of the worst movies ever, when in reality it is a star wars movies with flaws and strengths like any other star wars movie before (and of the 8 main saga movies it is one of the best, deal with it) The Last Jedi is a dumb movie that attempts to disguise itself as a transgressive one focused on deconstructing the norms of its franchise. Unlike a satisfying action movie it cannot demarcate the basic logistics of its universe or character relationships, which leads to it either violating its own internal logic or overlooking obvious solutions that would've solved plot obstacles. Jettisoning the moral framework of the previous Star Wars trilogies also divests the film of meaningful tension. They are many objective reasons to dislike it and its faults are quite different from The Empire Strikes Back or The Phantom Menace. It's one of those rare instances where the moniker 'pretentious' is apt.
It is a transgressive movie in the star wars franchise, doesn't need to disguise itself as one, it is and many butthurt fanboys (which should be adults, don't behave like it though) feel offended because of it. They shout the most hyperbolic statements into the world and the internet to feed on anger. Is it still a "dumb" movie? Sure, it is still a star wars movie, these were never grounded into realism, that is why the death star has the biggest and dumbest weakness in movie history and nobody seemed to care about that one. There still is an overarching good vs evil moral framework going on, it just gets complicated here and there to give its audience a little urge to think about morality, going as far as to tease moral relativism with the false code breaker, never fully agreeing with it though. How that removed tension in your pov is a mystery to me. There are many flaws in this movie and yes they are different from the ones in empire strikes back (or ot in general) or phantom menace (prequels in general), nobody said the faults are exactly the same, even though there being plot problems is a staple, thankfully there was no internet crowd to nitpick it 40 years ago. Calling the movie pretentious is laughable, it is still a star wars movie aimed at children, adding some nuance to it doesn't make it pretentious
On March 22 2019 12:50 WarSame wrote: All the Star Wars movies suck, so at least the most recent trilogy fits right in.
They don't suck, the prequels do though. The rest is fine blockbuster filmmaking with fantasy tropes in a scifi setting. The problem is that the OT is regarded as highly as it is and people want to capture the same feelings they had when they first watched it, pure nostalgia not based on actual quality.
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Due to the fact that the OT are "simpler" movies they dodge a lot of the problems the prequels and the sequels have. Well episode 4 and 5 do, 6 is imo a much worse movie because it tries to throw curveballs and then runs into the same problems TLJ has (if the evil guys counter the good guys plans and are in a commanding position anyways, how do the good guys survive?).
TLJ is one of two SW main movies that isn't aimed at kids imo. All the talk about "the bad guys aren't as bad and the good guys aren't as good", the fact that the rebellion has a bunch of minor characters who get enough screen time to be memorable and then promptly die, the old heroes failing... The only thing that's aimed at kids is the kid with the broom and the scene with the animals imo.
The other one is revenge of the Sith, which is definitely not a young kids movie, despite the comically bad dialogue at times.
Imo TLJ doesn't miss as much as people claim it does, the sequels had massive problems and were still enjoyable movies with a lot of cool scenes and mostly functional characters. The same can be said for TLJ imo. But obviously enjoyable is in the eye of the beholder.
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The only functional character in TLJ (and FA) is Kylo Ren. It's the only character to actually have some depth. All the others are bland and forgettable pieces of background noise. Every single memorable scene for me from ep8 and ep9 contains Kylo. With some of the characters I don't even remember what they were doing in the movie and why were they even there (and this goes for some of the main cast too).
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I get that Luke had a massive discrepancy to episode 6, but imo he worked if you look past the fact that he shouldn't have thought about killing Kylo. I liked Poe's character and even though he plays mostly a stereotype with occasional plot armor he works in his role and actually grows a bit. And while Rose and her arc doesn't really work Fin works well within this arc, including his character development at the end.
Imo character development, growth and depth was the one thing TLJ did well. The cast could have been a bit thinner and probably a bit better, but considering that most star wars characters including most characters of the OT have the depth of a paper sheet or are stereotypes, TLJ's characters blow other SW characters out of the water.
Which doesn't absolve TLJ from all the other problems it has.
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For me, the central failing of TLJ is that I enjoyed most of the major deviations it made...but Johnson was unwilling or unable to follow through on them in a way that satisfied me.
Actually meditate on how dark and light aren't just good and bad? Nice. Still have it end up just light = fake rebellion = good and dark = fake Empire = bad at the end of the movie? Not so nice.
Talk about how the resistance and first order both fuel a massive economic war machine? Nice, even if the planet was a useless sidequest CGI mess to rival Wonder Woman's ending. Acknowledge it in any way in the ending? Nah, that'd be too much work. Need to sell toys, after all.
And, worst, have Kylo talk about shedding the past and making a new peace in the galaxy? Interesting, if kind of how all dark siders work. Have him still just say "lul even though there's only like 15 people in the Resistance you gotta let me kill them Rey instead of talking to them for 5 seconds"? Pretty dumb.
If you're going to put a bunch of cool twists and transgressions in your movie, make them stick!
J also thought all the jokes missed the mark, but that's quite subjective.
+ Show Spoiler +Then there's the hopelessly dumb stuff like Leia flying through space and no autopilot on the Rebel ships and how Rose and Finn can jaunt off with no one the wiser, but that's kind of just par for the course
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People complaining about the autopilot thing always made me laugh. Its a battleship, so even if you can make it go in the same direction, its still a big complex machine with a bunch of points of failure. If the goal is to trick the Empire to keep shooting at the ship, an autopilot might not cut it. It is one of those nitpicks that seems sensible until you think about it and remember the ship is the equivalent of a modern day aircraft carrier.
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On March 23 2019 01:10 Archeon wrote: Imo character development, growth and depth was the one thing TLJ did well. The cast could have been a bit thinner and probably a bit better, but considering that most star wars characters including most characters of the OT have the depth of a paper sheet, TLJ's characters blow other SW characters out of the water.
Which doesn't absolve TLJ from all the other problems it has.
Wait, what? Where do you see this supposed depth TLJ characters have?
Poe is in the resistance and is an ace pilot. That's pretty much all we know about him. We have no idea about his past, motivations etc. Rose Tico is just a confused fascisct chick that tases would-be deserters from rebellion (can you even desert from a rebellion?) and is an animal-rights activist. She also may or may not be falling for Finn for some reason (it's not really clear in the movie, this entire plot point is weird and confusing). Holdo is probably someone we should care about because she's Leia's friend but she's in the movie for like 5 minutes so no one gives a damn. Phasma is some glorified storm-trooper in chrome armor that fails at everything in every movie. We also don't know shit about her. Hux is ... I can't even find the words that would describe him because I don't really remember any important scenes he might be a part of. Forgettable? Finn is low ranking storm-trooper turned rebel because he's a coward and doesn't want to be a part of First Order after seeing the atrocities they commit. There's some potential there but apart from initial exposition in FA we didn't really learn anything new about this character. Rey is a kid with a knack for engineering that got left behind by her parents, got dragged into all the events by accident, discovered she can use the force and is obsessed with it. Again, there could be something in there but we never really explore any of the backgrounds or deeper desires of the characters. Kylo is the only one with some actual backstory that ties him to some other characters, you can also see how he's struggling between emulating Vader and trying to be his own man. He kills his own father in order to progress down the Dark Side, is scolded and mentally abused by Snoke etc. etc. There are "things" in there, and they could be explored even deeper.
Now, we can compare it to OT characters, which had "paper-thin" depth: Luke, accidentally finds the message hidden in a droid, tries to link it to someone he knows, learns about his father, witnesses his family being slaughtered, decides to leave the planet, gets dragged into more events (he just wanted to be a pilot in the Empire, remember?), meets more people and has relationships with them, learns the truth about his father, blah, blah, blah. Han Solo, confident rogue with a sketchy and mysterious past. Is all about getting a quick buck to pay off his debts but discovers friendship, love and starts to fight for the right cause instead of money for the first time. Leia, the damsel in distress that tries to recruit Luke and Han to her cause, has romantic relationships with them, learns the truth about her family. Lando Calrisian, another sly rogue, has a past with Han, betrays our heroes, then tries to make good on that seeing how he himself was also betrayed in the process.
Sure, the OT characters might be simple, but what gives them actual depth is the relations they share with each other. This web of connections between different people and objects (Luke -> Obi-Wan -> light saber -> Vader -> Leia for example, or Han -> Millenium Falcon -> Lando). They are not only connected during the events we witness but actually have some connections in the past that link them directly or indirectly to each other. Then you have some interesting emotional rollercoasters with Leia, Luke, Han and Lando and rather Shaekspearean son/father relation.
The new trilogy has the problem of its characters being rather disconnected. They go off in random directions, don't interact with each other all that much and don't really form any tangible bonds or relations. There's virtually nothing that links them in the past and very little in the present, this just lacks chemistry. The only real connections/emotions I got from the new trilogy was between Kylo and Rey, but they've pretty much ruined it now.
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I don't care about Rey or Finn any less than I cared about Luke and Han. It was fun to see Han come racing back to save Luke in a New Hope and it was great to see Finn square off with Kyo Ren in The Force Awakens. I even liked that Finn reverted a bit in TLJ and still wanted to run away, but then made the full transformation by the end of the movie.
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Connections don't give characters depth, flaws and the decisions they take do. It is telling that you only talk about what happens to luke and wanna sell that as depth, when it is not. Luke has more depth in tlj than in the whole OT together, partly because it is mark hamill's best performance in any star wars movie yet. It is true that the characters in the new trilogy don't have real depth either it's typical star wars cost where characters have a few traits, overall kylo ren is probably the strongest character of the whole movie franchise and i hope they stick the landing there (big props to adam driver as well).
It is somewhat true that the relations which are developed between the characters don't feel as strong, which is mostly the case because the new movies don't give us any real slow moments where characters just are together not advancing the plot. TLJ has some of that with Rey and Kylo which was essential for the Snoke twist, but overall the new trilogy is a little too fast paced.
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Hux is the Charlottesville guys with torches. A coward from after the actual Nazis were defeated who is really into dressing up in Nazi paraphernalia because he actually likes it. He’s not confused or corrupted like Ben, he’s just a dickbag who somewhere along the line looked at the Hugo Boss SS uniforms and decided that he didn’t have anything better going on.
He’s meant to be the way he is.
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On March 23 2019 01:41 Plansix wrote: People complaining about the autopilot thing always made me laugh. Its a battleship, so even if you can make it go in the same direction, its still a big complex machine with a bunch of points of failure. If the goal is to trick the Empire to keep shooting at the ship, an autopilot might not cut it. It is one of those nitpicks that seems sensible until you think about it and remember the ship is the equivalent of a modern day aircraft carrier.
It's a bigger problem for the dramatic "go down with your medship" scenes than the final one (any number of justifications for that are conceivable, if not communicated in the film in any meaningful way). They didn't care if the ships falling into range of Snoke's ship failed or veered off or were exposed as empty, they were gone anyway. It's just careless dumb writing that could have been caught on a rewrite. As is you feel bad for the people then wonder "why are they doing some stupid captain-goes-down-with-the-ship nonsense in a world with faster than light travel and sentient tin cans."
Also, droids have been piloting starships since Empire (hello IG-88), so it's hard to argue AI or pre-programming can't handle the things.
It's definitely not some huge black mark against the movie or something, though, it's just the kind of thing that gets under my skin in sci-fi and fantasy in general (hello, giant fire cannons we see on ships in GoT S7 somehow not being used in the North or on the Wall).
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On March 23 2019 05:35 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2019 01:41 Plansix wrote: People complaining about the autopilot thing always made me laugh. Its a battleship, so even if you can make it go in the same direction, its still a big complex machine with a bunch of points of failure. If the goal is to trick the Empire to keep shooting at the ship, an autopilot might not cut it. It is one of those nitpicks that seems sensible until you think about it and remember the ship is the equivalent of a modern day aircraft carrier. It's a bigger problem for the dramatic "go down with your medship" scenes than the final one (any number of justifications for that are conceivable, if not communicated in the film in any meaningful way). They didn't care if the ships falling into range of Snoke's ship failed or veered off or were exposed as empty, they were gone anyway. It's just careless dumb writing that could have been caught on a rewrite. As is you feel bad for the people then wonder "why are they doing some stupid captain-goes-down-with-the-ship nonsense in a world with faster than light travel and sentient tin cans." Also, droids have been piloting starships since Empire (hello IG-88), so it's hard to argue AI or pre-programming can't handle the things. It's definitely not some huge black mark against the movie or something, though, it's just the kind of thing that gets under my skin in sci-fi and fantasy in general (hello, giant fire cannons we see on ships in GoT S7 somehow not being used in the North or on the Wall). I don’t really have much of a problem with anything involving logic in Star Wars because in Empire they fly into an asteroid belt that somehow is a problem to navigate and there is a giant space worm that eats…..spaceship(?) inside that belt. Battlecruiser’s autopilot/droids are not good enough to fool the New Order that the ship is still manned is easy after that.
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I got a movie pass that expires this month so I gotta use it or lose it. What's a good movie that's playing? Has anyone seen Us yet? It looks pretty interesting.
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Just got home from Us. I do not know what to say about it. I have mixed feelings. All I can say is that its a tense movie and the ending is pretty wicked. I expected it to be more frightening but it wasnt. So confused.... for fans of this type of movie id say it can be an 8/10 or even a 9. The acting was soooo good. Only bad I could think of it is the beginning, its a bit slow. Enjoyed it but at the end I was like mehhh. thats only because I realise now I do not like these type of movies I guess, so for those that are like me id say its a 6 or 6.5 or maybe a 7. its not bad but its not that good for that type of people that dont like that genre.
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On March 23 2019 02:42 The_Red_Viper wrote: Connections don't give characters depth, flaws and the decisions they take do. It is telling that you only talk about what happens to luke and wanna sell that as depth, when it is not.
I just didn't feel like writing an entire article just on that. I'm just listing stuff that happens to him because those are some of the key moments when we can see his flaws and decisions he makes.
Luke in the NT was just a worse version of Yoda. Supposedly deranged hermit that's actually wiser and more powerful than you can imagine. Unlike in the OT though, where they show that Yoda is the real deal around the same time Luke decides to abandon his badass training to go off and save his friends (against Yoda's advice, did anyone mention depth here?).
In ep9 the only scene that shows us the extent of Luke's power is almost at the end of the movie, with all the lasers and duel, which has absolutely nothing to do with Rey's training etc. In the OT the end of training was one of the truly pivotal moments in the series. It was at the time when Luke was starting to actually get the Force and realizing that maybe there's more to Yoda than meets the eye. Then he's confronted with a vision of his friends being in trouble and presented with a choice - either continue training so that he can fully realize himself and save the galaxy, but (potentially) sacrifice his friends or go and try save his friends while not being ready, thus actually reducing the chance of saving them and the galaxy. It is a moment where Luke fails despite his best efforts (needs to lift X-wing from the swamp to fly off and save his friends) and Yoda reveals his true power (lifting X-wing from the swamp like it's no big deal).
This single scene has more depth than the entirety of ep9. Luke is torn between training (which could potentially benefit everyone in the future) and his friends (which would benefit his friends in the short term but undermine everything else in the long run). It is also the moment where we see that even though he was training hard he wasn't 100% sure it's legit. Only after Yoda lifts the X-wing does he realize the gravity of the choice he's about to make...
You could probably write an entire book and a series of articles based just off the events happening on Dagobah, and then you realize you're not even halfway into the movie. There's nothing like that in the new films. Not even close.
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But disregard all of the above. Let's just focus on the ep4. Luke is a naive, uneducated farmboy who dreams of becoming a pilot and be cool with his friends. During this single movie his entire world is being shattered - his family dies, he has to seek refuge with some deranged hermit and bigger-than-life rogue swimming in debts. He has to learn the hard way that the world is a cruel place, not everyone is a nice guy (including people he's going to accompany for a forseeable future) and that he just doesn't know what the fuck is going on in the universe. We still love him because despite being exposed to all of that he does everything in his power to remain positive, be a good guy and go against the flow, even though this attitude is pretty much frowned upon by everyone around him and more often than not leads to trouble.
Now contrast this with ep7, where we see Rey as an outsider but overall a competent and savvy person. Everything just falls into place for her and there's not even much to talk about. After the death of his family (remember that initially Luke wasn't really keen on leaving Tatooine and his life) Luke clings to Kenobi as a father figure and mentor (and possibly the only other remotely good person in his entourage) only to witness his death. He is now lost, good-hearted naive guy stuck with rogues and rebels. It's completely different for Rey. She's the one to actually save Finn, she's the one to steal MF and fly them away. Meeting Han on the way is just a convenient plot point to show off more how awesome she is (as she single-handedly saves them all). And then she proceeds to win a light saber duel with one of the few remaining people who even know about it (it took Luke 3 movies to actually win a light saber duel). Where's depth in that?
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