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Poll: Who Advances?France & Denmark (7) 54% Peru & France (4) 31% Australia & France (1) 8% Australia & Denmark (1) 8% Peru & Australia (0) 0% Denmark & Peru (0) 0% 13 total votes Your vote: Who Advances? (Vote): France & Denmark (Vote): Peru & Australia (Vote): Australia & France (Vote): Denmark & Peru (Vote): Peru & France (Vote): Australia & Denmark
Poll: Who Do You Want To AdvanceFrance & Peru (5) 42% Peru & Denmark (4) 33% Denmark & Australia (2) 17% Denmark & France (1) 8% France & Australia (0) 0% Australia & Peru (0) 0% 12 total votes Your vote: Who Do You Want To Advance (Vote): Peru & Denmark (Vote): France & Australia (Vote): Denmark & France (Vote): Australia & Peru (Vote): France & Peru (Vote): Denmark & Australia
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vamos, vamos Peru
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GOOOOOOOOOO AUSSIESSS
I swear to god if we score one goal the whole town is gonna go mental
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Time to eat some kangaroos!
For second place go Eriksen!
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Christoph Kramer is expert on German TV today. Never really heard him talk before, but he is impressing me. Seems like a really smart and likable guy
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This game looks destined for australia to go top on the world cup red cards/per game table (For team with 10+ games at least)!
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Btw I am surprised that France is only ranked 4th among bookkeepers for winning the world cup. On paper they should be the best team. I expect a lot from them.
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Question to you australians: As the wallabies are playing ireland at the same time in rugby, which game will be seen by more australians?
edit: Also, were those some laser pointers?
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Man this French team surely is young, just realized that Kante is the oldest one with 27
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Germany3128 Posts
dive dive dive. This french side is soft as fuck.
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The pitch looks to be a real mess. The ball never rolls in a straight line.
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The field must be really dry, they should wet them a little
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And now they are also ruining all the balls. :D
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Man these ausies are organized, strong and fast, surprised.
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While I thought France will win easily, I think the best for the game would be a goal for Australia atm.
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The French also play very restrained so far. Barely pressing, not running that much. Almost looks like they want to preserve strength.
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On June 16 2018 19:37 Faruko wrote: Man these ausies are organized, strong and fast, surprised. Dutch commentator said Van Marwijk chose to play little amount of friendlies he's been drilling in training for last few weeks
And ausies were always a bit more physical and now they have Van Bommel to coach them on being mean too lol
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On June 16 2018 19:06 Redox wrote: Btw I am surprised that France is only ranked 4th among bookkeepers for winning the world cup. On paper they should be the best team. I expect a lot from them.
I think this half showed why, this team lost to Sweden and drew against Luxembourg in the qualifiers. They can be very good, but sometimes they just play like they can't be arsed.
Australia are well organized and France aren't going to break them down playing like this.
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On June 16 2018 19:46 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2018 19:06 Redox wrote: Btw I am surprised that France is only ranked 4th among bookkeepers for winning the world cup. On paper they should be the best team. I expect a lot from them. I think this half showed why, this team lost to Sweden and drew against Luxembourg in the qualifiers. They can be very good, but sometimes they just play like they can't be arsed. Yeah it seems like what they are lacking is fire / will power. I suspect against a good opponent the will look much better.
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France has such a crazy talented team on paper. Yet they seem to be overly reliant on Mbappe and falling over/diving against fucking Australia. What the fuck Deschamps?
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France doing their utmost best to put me to sleep.
Oh, and Pogba is really bad.
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Dude these are kids of 22-24 playing the World Cup, they must be nervous honestly.
Once the first goal/win comes they'll feel more relaxed
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That's what happens when you have no game plan. Deschamps was molded by the 98 team with 3 DMs and counting on geniuses like Zidane to win games. Compared to teams like Spain playing with just Busquets (who has more to offer offensively than any French midfielders), France looks like crap.
They will always struggle against smaller teams that let them have the initiative, and 'shine' against bigger ones that give them space (let's not forget how lucky they were in that game vs Germany 2 years ago).
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France ballless like ever. Zidane was not only a genius talent-wise but also as a leader. He is missed so much
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I really think you are downplaying France 98
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Downplaying what? They were solid as f. From the ro16 they struggled against every team, and then beat Brazil with 2 header goals and a 90+ counter attack. The 2000 team was better.
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red card hernandez, he's such a fucking drama queen.
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This game is reminiscent of France's opener in 2002, with world class forwards getting no service against a weak side
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As in you are talking about a team that won a world cup vs a Paraguay, Italy, Croatia (that croatian team was sick, Suker was the top scorer, also third they beat Netherlands) and maybe the best Brazil with Roberto Carlos, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Cafu
And that Italy wasn't a joke either, Roberto Baggio, Costacurta, Vieri.
They had a pretty hard ko stage, maybe not super solid, but you have to be really good to advance over those teams
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On June 16 2018 20:05 GTR wrote: red card hernandez, he's such a fucking drama queen.
Sometimes you really know what club a player is playing for by his actions
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On June 16 2018 20:09 Faruko wrote: As in you are talking about a team that won a world cup vs a Paraguay, Italy, Croatia (that croatian team was sick, Suker was the top scorer, also third they beat Netherlands) and maybe the best Brazil with Roberto Carlos, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Cafu
And that Italy wasn't a joke either, Roberto Baggio, Costacurta, Vieri.
They had a pretty hard ko stage, maybe not super solid, but you have to be really good to advance over those teams Never said they were bad. They had a top level defense (including 3 DMs). They were really hard to maneuver, and they weren't creating much either. Similar to the current team, minus the solidity.
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well done VAR, that is the correct call
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Thank fuck for video in football nowadays.
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Man, nice VAR but it was way too late feels weird
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Fuck that's a quality penalty
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Could not have imagined them to score in a different way.
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Charlie Sheens House51324 Posts
Well, Australian gets touch on ball, then the back leg of Greizman gets clipped and pen is given. Harsh
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LMAO HOW DO YOU DO THAT PENALTY
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Charlie Sheens House51324 Posts
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Pentaly Review. We need that much sooner but hey here we are.
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Played volleyball in his youth I guess.
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On June 16 2018 20:16 Pandemona wrote: Well, Australian gets touch on ball, then the back leg of Greizman gets clipped and pen is given. Harsh Doesn't matter that he touched the ball because he didn't get it away, he only stopped Griezman with the clipping
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He jump punched that ball wtf shoryuken
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This is like the euros two years ago
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I'm speechless, is Umtiti dumb?
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On June 16 2018 20:19 Faruko wrote: I'm speechless, is Umtiti dumb?
hand of god
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On June 16 2018 20:19 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2018 20:16 Pandemona wrote: Well, Australian gets touch on ball, then the back leg of Greizman gets clipped and pen is given. Harsh Doesn't matter that he touched the ball because he didn't get it away, he only stopped Griezman with the clipping
Pretty much. A trip is a trip, was a definite penalty.
Not that it matters much because Umtiti is an idiot.
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Lmao Umtiti what are you thinking
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But I don't know what Umtiti was expecting with that play lol
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What happened to Girouds head?
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Umtiti didnt even get a yellow?
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PAVARD TRYING A STEVE MCMANAMAN
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France is ultradisappointing
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Wait France actually have less possession than Australia?
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On June 16 2018 20:27 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: What happened to Girouds head? collision in FRA-USA friendly, 6 stitches
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United States97248 Posts
goal line technology we did it!
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Could've been a sick goal but looked like it was more an Australian foot doing that?
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LOL... this goal is describing the game perfectly
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technology backing france to the fullest
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Great goal!
On June 16 2018 20:38 Warfie wrote: Could've been a sick goal but looked like it was more an Australian foot doing that?
oh you're right, took a deflection there. Still the buildup was nice.
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I was just going to post about pogba being invisible
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I don't think Pogba intended that did he?
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On June 16 2018 20:38 Warfie wrote: Could've been a sick goal but looked like it was more an Australian foot doing that? Yeah was just pure luck lol.
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If France wants they can play as well as Spain
They just need to have the mentality
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But one has to mention, since Giroud is on the pitch, there is actually some pressing from France. The guy is really chasing those Kangaroos down. Unlike before when they were freely passing back and forth forever.
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Charlie Sheens House51324 Posts
Grioud has to start for France for them to have a chance. He is the piece they need to knit all the stars together.
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Giroud is such a hard working, I'll always want a Giroud on my team
Give me that annoying asshole that runs every ball, EVERY TEAM needs a player like him
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So Giroud is a more handsome Dirk kuyt? You have better players but you need his energy?
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On June 16 2018 20:40 Faruko wrote: If France wants they can play as well as Spain
They just need to have the mentality They can't, they called up like 5 DMs. Hopefully Lemar starts next game
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What is wrong with this Lucas dude? Always rolling on the floor like he got hit by a truck...
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Kante has recover the ball 52625378284836 times
Give or take
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Hernandez is ridiculous... such a drama queen.
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van Marwijk just lost his second game at a WC. :[
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On June 16 2018 20:46 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: So Giroud is a more handsome Dirk kuyt? You have better players but you need his energy? More or less
Kuyt was so good
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On June 16 2018 20:49 mahrgell wrote: What is wrong with this Lucas dude? Always rolling on the floor like he got hit by a truck... He's Spanish, he moved in Spain when he was 1.
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Winning a game against a team with yellow jerseys at the world cup? Sign me in!
It was terrible but not surprising, same old France since like forever. Five players having their first international tournament game was maybe a bit too many.
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A win for France as expected. A disappointing one though. Atleast my liquibet isn't fucked. Peru will beat the shit out of this French team. Totally expect some injuries in that game
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Can someone explain the VAR process? While I think the decision was right it was weird the ref let play go on for so long. Like what if we had countered and scored? Could the ref have reviewed the potential penalty and taken a goal off us? I’m not sure why he doesn’t just review it as soon as it happens.
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Play needs to stop first. What you describe actually happened to my team once, where we conceded a penalty after just having scored. It's to do with keeping the flow of the game, but yeah I'm not sure about it either.
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France scored the first goal ever in a world cup 1930 First team to go to penalties 1982 First team to score a golden goal 1998 First team to have a goal confirmed with the goal line technology 2014 First team to be awarded a penalty with VAR 2018
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That’s a pretty bizarre process. I’m not sure why they just don’t review it on the spot. What’s the point of letting play continue? It’s only going to cause more issues if the other team scores. Or imagine there isn’t a stoppage for like 10 mins. It’d be pretty shitty to concede a penalty that long after. Anyhow...
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On June 16 2018 21:26 RowdierBob wrote: That’s a pretty bizarre process. I’m not sure why they just don’t review it on the spot. What’s the point of letting play continue? It’s only going to cause more issues if the other team scores. Or imagine there isn’t a stoppage for like 10 mins. It’d be pretty shitty to concede a penalty that long after. Anyhow... What if had not been a foul and Australia had scored on the counter? Why stop play if there is no need to, VAR starts looking at the incident while play is still ongoing and if there is nothing to it the game isnt stopped at all.
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Go Perú next match. I want them to pass as #2 of the group.
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France12466 Posts
What an horrible first game for us. Didn't expect us to be that bad. However the job is done but it's gonna be tough beating Peru and Denmark :x.
Hopefully we gradually increase our level of play as the tournament goes on.
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time for the main event LUL
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This is the first game of this world cup where I have genuinely no idea what to expect.
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Yeah this one is tough one to predict. Peru are very solid, but I feel Denmark has the better overall players.
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here we go!
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Carillo could be what james rodriguez was 4 years ago. Or was that Arincola? In any case, the one on the right flank.
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They don't qualify since Spain 82. They are one of the lesser South American teams, like Venezuela or Bolivia.
But they played very well last qualifiers!
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looks like good VAr again
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TY VAR. Seemed super obvious tho.
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Ouch. Also isnt it no longer allowed to stop in the run-up to the penalty? edit: Nevermind, it seems to be only outlawed to hesitate from kicking the ball after finishing the run-up.
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VAR is a great addition no doubt
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That as a hilariously bad penalty.
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Cuevo hit 6/6 penalties in BR league.
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On June 17 2018 01:47 Mafe wrote: Ouch. Also isnt it no longer allowed to stop in the run-up to the penalty? Stopping is fine, just can't feint / pretend to shoot
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Trezeguet 2006 like penalty Hopefully 1-0 for Denmark
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On June 17 2018 01:50 Poopi wrote: Trezeguet 2006 like penalty Hopefully 1-0 for Denmark You mean Sergio Ramos 2012 like penalty
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On the upside, a draw would make this group go down to the wire.
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we need Guerrero.... come on Gareca, do it!
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Clumsy Peru there, could've been the goal
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There we go.
Let's go my liquibets !
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On June 17 2018 02:17 739 wrote: There we go.
Let's go my liquibets ! Ok my stream is delayed. See ya after the game.
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On June 17 2018 02:17 739 wrote: There we go.
Let's go my liquibets !
wait theres liquibets for wc?
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Just found it. Amazing! ty
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So many close ones for Peru, lol.
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Peru looks strong, not such an easy group for France actually :o
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Peru is already deserving a goal. Great attacking football by them
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Peru really need to reward themselves yes
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Jesus, another one.
I feel bad for Peru.
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Yeah Denmark pretty lucky.
Number 18 on peru is really strong technically and fast.
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Lucky shoulder save there
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On June 17 2018 02:44 Redox wrote: Yeah Denmark pretty lucky.
Number 18 on peru is really strong technically and fast.
Carrillo is a beast when his mind is in the game. Unfortunately he's a bit inconsistent .
He played in the premier league this season for Watford
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Seems like every game at this cup is played 95 mins by default.
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On June 17 2018 02:53 Redox wrote: Seems like every game at this cup is played 95 mins by default. We have lot of breaks and injuries.
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A lot of entertaining games this world cup.
It's not disapointing.
Peru deserved the draw though
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On June 17 2018 02:54 739 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2018 02:53 Redox wrote: Seems like every game at this cup is played 95 mins by default. We have lot of breaks and injuries. true on the other hand yesterday we had a game with like 25mins of playing time in the 2nd half and got 6 mins. Seems like refs are advised to always go for around 5 mins
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wasnt meant to be sigh
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Peru sure deserved a draw, but in the end they wont find anyone to blame but themselves. With these defensive lapses mid secong half it could have been even worse. Denmark on the other hand will probably get to the ro16 now, but that should be all if they dont improve.
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gl in the next match guys. gg!
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So sick peru played very well
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Peru played much better but thankfully luck was on our side. We really have to step up though if we want to advance from the group. Sisto and Jørgensen were terrible and Eriksen played his worst match in a long time.
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On June 17 2018 02:58 Mafe wrote: Peru sure deserved a draw, but in the end they wont find anyone to blame but themselves. With these defensive lapses mid secong half it could have been even worse. Denmark on the other hand will probably get to the ro16 now, but that should be all if they dont improve.
it was a bad game, but the "good" thing is that I don't think Denmark will face a similar type of match going forward to the tournament. For instance against France and Argentina/Croatia I believe Denmark will play a much more coordinated and defensive playstyle. One of the issues against Peru is that our press play seemed hopelessly uncoordinated.
It was like we hugely underestimated how easy it would be to get the ball from the peru players and had no real plan on when to press forward leading to huge defensive gaps where the left-and-right backs struggled a lot.
But against e.g. Argentina I expect everyone to realize they need to play further down the pitch which probably should result in a much better defensive.
The bad thing though is that Denmark is without any true defensive midtfielder after William Kvist was injured. Lasse Schøne was substituted in yesterday but doesn't play the role well. Originally the idea might have been to use Andreas Christensen as a substitute on that position but with him having a starting position in central defense due to the injury to Andreas Bjelland that seems unlikely - even though Mathias Zanka is a good substitute.
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Prediction: France scores the only goal of the day!
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WE CAN DO THIS!
just need to drop Nabbout and play Arzani ...
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Hopefully Peru has better finishing than Morocco.
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On June 21 2018 16:31 mahrgell wrote: Prediction: France scores the only goal of the day! That would be bad for my liquibet :p
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Bye Peru and Australia, thx for coming.
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This day *should* have more goals than yesterday.
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On June 21 2018 19:49 Mafe wrote: This day *should* have more goals than yesterday. They certainly haven't instilled confidence in the 1st round though.
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On June 21 2018 19:10 nojok wrote: Bye Peru and Australia, thx for coming. Peru beating France incoming !
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I disagree this day should have more goals. Yesterday's matches looked more onesided on paper. I say Australia will defend quite well and expect a boring 1-0 for Denmark. France will probably dominate against Peru, but Peru is quite good and I expect a 2-1 for France. And Argentina vs Croatia is a match between two good teams, anything is possible but I say it'll end 1-1. So yeah, while I have said the matches end with more goals than yesterday, I expected 9 goals yesterday.
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Calling it. Argentina - Croatia gonna be the first 0-0 of the tournament.
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On June 21 2018 20:40 Acrofales wrote: Calling it. Argentina - Croatia gonna be the first 0-0 of the tournament. No way. I expect Croatia to beat Argentina 2-0 or 2-1 at least.
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On June 21 2018 20:35 HolydaKing wrote: I disagree this day should have more goals. Yesterday's matches looked more onesided on paper. I say Australia will defend quite well and expect a boring 1-0 for Denmark. France will probably dominate against Peru, but Peru is quite good and I expect a 2-1 for France. And Argentina vs Croatia is a match between two good teams, anything is possible but I say it'll end 1-1. So yeah, while I have said the matches end with more goals than yesterday, I expected 9 goals yesterday. Yes well I meant that today there should be more than 3 goals. Before the games yesterday, I would have agreed with you surely.
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Whoah goal of the tournament so far!
Duely celebrated by a double post!
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Charlie Sheens House51324 Posts
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Updated :D
Edit : I'm at work too and I haven't missed a single match yet :D
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Charlie Sheens House51324 Posts
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Ahhh so close, that pass was perfect.
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The danish backs are looking like a huge weakness so far. Doesn't work well having a right back in the left back position.
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omg, another penalty <.<
1-1, nice for the aussies!
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FUCK YES VAR
This is so cool. Football has improved so much this WC
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yeah i'm not sure about this one honestly
sure the arm is open but he jumps like a human does, he was barely watching the ball + it was way too fast
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On June 21 2018 21:38 Faruko wrote: yeah i'm not sure about this one honestly
sure the arm is open but he jumps like a human does, he was barely watching the ball + it was way too fast Ball was headed for goal tho, that would have been really harsh not to call too.
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Yeah Harsh one that, but these are regularly given in Spain. So the ref is consistent in that.
edit: Sneirac is right, the ball was goal bound.
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Damn my stream is like 2 minutes behind, got spoiled :D
Welp, at first I had draw bet on this match but then I've changed for Denmark ;p
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I am still not sure about the handball rules. For me, it should be a penalty as he prevents the header from going towards the goal, but on the other hand I dont think it was deliberate so I wouldnt have given a yellow card. But if this is would be in agreement with rules....., I really dont know.
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On June 21 2018 21:39 sneirac wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2018 21:38 Faruko wrote: yeah i'm not sure about this one honestly
sure the arm is open but he jumps like a human does, he was barely watching the ball + it was way too fast Ball was headed for goal tho, that would have been really harsh not to call too.
Don't think that matters here. Either the hand is in a natural position or it's not in a natural position.
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Not sure if this is in the rules. But there is no way he should be booked for that. He had zero intent to handle the ball. I would give the penalty since an outstreched arm stopped a shot on goal. But not give any card. You could argue since there was no intent maybe there shouldn't be a penalty at all. You can't argue his arms was in an unatural position or anything.
edit: Three sentences in a row started with the word 'But'.
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Fuck Poulsen is suspended for the next game, no penalty for us
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lmao that was a penalty he grabbed him
if the other was a penalty how is this one not?
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very good game in my opinion!
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On June 21 2018 22:30 Faruko wrote: lmao that was a penalty he grabbed him
if the other was a penalty how is this one not? I'd guess because there was an offensive foul before that and he let both go? VAR looked at it apparently and thought it wasn't enough.
e: also please keep in mind that the referee in this game is Lahoz, he might send someone off for a foul throw if the mood takes him, so some light controversy shouold surprise noone
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The ref's have been consistently inconsistent in this World Cup. Did you see the England game?
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that Arzani kid is pretty good, and only 19 years old
RM, Barcelona, PSG, City, United calling his manager in 3... 2... 1...
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On June 21 2018 22:38 Greg_J wrote: The ref's have been consistently inconsistent in this World Cup. Did you see the England game? They always are, and yes I do remember the England game. Ironically, at least the first Kane penalty also wasn't reviewed/changed was because Kane was also holding/fouling the defender, not to the same degree but enough to matter.
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yah, that arzani kid is going to a big team after the world cup
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On June 21 2018 22:38 Greg_J wrote: The ref's have been consistently inconsistent in any football tournament ever played. Did you see the England game? FTFY
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He was rugby tackled. But this is the wrong thread to discuss that and we just about scraped past Tunisa so I'm not bitter.
edit: ^^ Thanks. Yeah it's about right.
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On June 21 2018 21:41 739 wrote: Welp, at first I had draw bet on this match but then I've changed for Denmark ;p
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So close. Feels like story of this WC for us 🙁
We really need Peru to beat France. I think any other scenario doesn’t give much incentive for France or Denmark to chase a result in their game.
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here we go Peruuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!!!!
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On June 21 2018 23:26 RowdierBob wrote: So close. Feels like story of this WC for us 🙁
We really need Peru to beat France. I think any other scenario doesn’t give much incentive for France or Denmark to chase a result in their game.
Isnt best case france winning all games?
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On June 22 2018 00:03 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2018 23:26 RowdierBob wrote: So close. Feels like story of this WC for us 🙁
We really need Peru to beat France. I think any other scenario doesn’t give much incentive for France or Denmark to chase a result in their game. Isnt best case france winning all games? In theory yes, but in practice I dont think you want to rely on a team that is guaranteed to advance (France) to go all out for a win the last game. Assuming France win against Peru, a France-Denmark draw would be a win-win for both at the expense of australia on the last matchday. For the same reason, I think a german draw against sweden would be almost as bad as a loss.
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On June 22 2018 00:06 Mafe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2018 00:03 sharkie wrote:On June 21 2018 23:26 RowdierBob wrote: So close. Feels like story of this WC for us 🙁
We really need Peru to beat France. I think any other scenario doesn’t give much incentive for France or Denmark to chase a result in their game. Isnt best case france winning all games? In theory yes, but in practice I dont think you want to rely on a team that is guaranteed to advance (France) to go all out for a win the last game. Assuming France win against Peru, a France-Denmark draw would be a win-win for both at the expense of australia on the last matchday. For the same reason, I think a german draw against sweden would be almost as bad as a loss.
Ah true denmark wouldnt have to play to win. But maybe france will want to solidify 1st place?
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This referee looks overwhelmed, not really bad so far but just not ready to deal with the full power moaning. Let's see if the dissent card for Guerrero saves him
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On June 22 2018 00:27 sneirac wrote: This referee looks overwhelmed, not really bad so far but just not ready to deal with the full power moaning. Let's see if the dissent card for Guerrero saves him He’s from the UAE. Wiki says the highest he’s ever reffed was an Asian Cup so I imagine this is just higher level than he’s used to
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Boring game so far
Peru has the ball but they are super unoffensive with it and France let them have the ball
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The highlight so far are definitely the acting/acrobatics performances by the french. Mbappe looked like he got shot just now
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I'm increasingly convinced VAR won't be good for the game in its current implementation. Until they begin to look through all situations, including free kicks, it won't be fair. And if they do, it will create a game with far too many breaks. Yeah yeah, I'm Danish and may be coloured by the penalties against us, still the argument stands.
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Mbappe could have turned and played that with his left
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On June 22 2018 00:29 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2018 00:27 sneirac wrote: This referee looks overwhelmed, not really bad so far but just not ready to deal with the full power moaning. Let's see if the dissent card for Guerrero saves him He’s from the UAE. Wiki says the highest he’s ever reffed was an Asian Cup so I imagine this is just higher level than he’s used to Maybe, but.... Unless we fly them in to european/south american leagues, at what higher level can asian/african referees possibly gain experience before their first world cup? Confederations Cup? Club World Cup?
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On June 22 2018 00:29 Faruko wrote: Boring game so far
Peru has the ball but they are super unoffensive with it and France let them have the ball
Really? i like it, maybe because i watched S.Korea x Sweden and that was so terrible.
Umtiti and Mbappé pathetic. Mbappé is the french Neymar
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Beatiful last 5min from france
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well it was a nice journey. gl guys
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United States97248 Posts
On June 22 2018 00:36 Mafe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2018 00:29 Shellshock wrote:On June 22 2018 00:27 sneirac wrote: This referee looks overwhelmed, not really bad so far but just not ready to deal with the full power moaning. Let's see if the dissent card for Guerrero saves him He’s from the UAE. Wiki says the highest he’s ever reffed was an Asian Cup so I imagine this is just higher level than he’s used to Maybe, but.... Unless we fly them in to european/south american leagues, at what higher level can asian/african referees possibly gain experience before their first world cup? Confederations Cup? Club World Cup? I think his prerequisite is fine. He just has to get the WC experience so he gets more used to this level
Also Mbappe stole Giroud’s goal.
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On June 22 2018 00:33 Shellshock wrote: Mbappe could have turned and played that with his left Yeah lucky he got the tap in few minutes later, because that was a wasted chance
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On June 22 2018 00:40 sharkie wrote: Kante is god, isnt he?
yes
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51324 Posts
On June 22 2018 00:40 sharkie wrote: Kante is god, isnt he? Yep, guy covers so much ground, recovers so many balls it is nuts. On top of that he does it at the highest level for the full 90 minutes.
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France attacking power looking scary. Both speed and skill
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On June 22 2018 00:43 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: France attacking power looking scary. Both speed and skill
And when they fail they have kante to cover them. He is so crazily good
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time to re think things in the halftime. we are luck it just enden 1-0... hoping for a miracle
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On June 22 2018 00:43 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: France attacking power looking scary. Both speed and skill
and strength with Giroud
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TLADT24917 Posts
I missed the half of the first half but Peru made a bigger impression on me when they were going full on aggression (before the goal) than France. France did seem to pick things up afterwards though. Did I miss something?
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Daaaamn he hit the cross!
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On June 22 2018 00:58 BigFan wrote: I missed the half of the first half but Peru made a bigger impression on me when they were going full on aggression (before the goal) than France. France did seem to pick things up afterwards though. Did I miss something?
Not really. Peru spend that time in possession of the ball, but did little with it. French players flopped around a bit when given the chance.
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Peru sure is trying at least
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TLADT24917 Posts
Yep. It's be eliminated or go all out. I'm sure we can all agree going all out is the best option here. Very entertaining to watch so far.
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Yeah, I mean the best result for Denmark is for France to win, but here I am hoping for the equalizer
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I hope Peru reward themselves better than vs Denmark. They had so many attacks but never the goal
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Poor 19year old so spent he can hardly walk /s
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On June 22 2018 01:34 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Poor 19year old so spent he can hardly walk /s
When the refs allow it...
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First VAR review for mistaken identity? interesting
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TLADT24917 Posts
On June 22 2018 01:40 sneirac wrote: First VAR review for mistaken identity? interesting seems like it.
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Haha it looked like the standard 'I didn't do anything' complaint against the ref but he actually didn't do anything
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And this is why current VAR use is bullshit
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On June 22 2018 01:46 Ghostcom wrote: And this is why current VAR use is bullshit
VAR is the best thing to happen thos WC
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No it isn’t.
EDIT: To qualify my statement a bit further, look at the previous post on the issue in this thread that I made. Add to that the fairly obvious randomness in what gets reviewed and what doesn’t- e.g lack of free kick to Poulensen 15 seconds prior to the handball and the lack of penalty to Cornelius.
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Why sub Pogba? If I was french, I'd rather see him get sent off for 2 yellows this game instead of have him miss a knockout stage match because he gets another yellow later in the tournament.
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On June 22 2018 01:49 Ghostcom wrote: No it isn’t. Yeah outside of the british press you're not gonna find many people to agree with you on that one
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On June 22 2018 01:49 Ghostcom wrote: No it isn’t. Why? It's a massive improvement for sure. Sure, it's not perfect but it leads to more fair games and that's great.
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Bearded Elder29876 Posts
How can you say VAR is not improvement? LOL
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I also think Var preventively stopped some of those killer tackles by some of the brutish players
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TLADT24917 Posts
On June 22 2018 01:51 HolydaKing wrote:Why? It's a massive improvement for sure. Sure, it's not perfect but it leads to more fair games and that's great. My guess is that he wants refs to make more fair calls themselves instead of having to rely on the technology to do so.
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TLADT24917 Posts
Well, it was a good game by Peru. Too bad they couldn't get that goal.
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aish we first match cost us the group. wp overall T_____________T
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On June 22 2018 01:53 739 wrote: How can you say VAR is not improvement? LOL
Read the thread. I already substantiated my opinion previously. Or don’t - “LOL”
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Losing possession almost 40/60 and wasting time from the 60th minute against Peru. Glorious French team.
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Cueva... dude misses a 1/3 of penalties for his team in Brazil, and somehow he gets to be the one responsible to kick on the world cup... now they are eliminated.
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On June 22 2018 01:49 Ghostcom wrote: No it isn’t.
EDIT: To qualify my statement a bit further, look at the previous post on the issue in this thread that I made. Add to that the fairly obvious randomness in what gets reviewed and what doesn’t- e.g lack of free kick to Poulensen 15 seconds prior to the handball and the lack of penalty to Cornelius. There is no randomness on what gets reviewed, it is clearly and distinctly defined and applied to both teams. Fair enough if you think it should be more, it will eventually be more but it would never have been approved in the first place if it immediately went from no VAR to full VAR.
You need to be aware of what you are actually arguing. Every time VAR is used a mistake is corrected in the game. In order for VAR to make the game worse not only does a call have to be missed, a call has to actually be changed from correct to wrong. Unless that happens or it takes far longer than it should, it will always be a net gain to the game.
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On June 22 2018 01:57 WillyWanker wrote: Losing possession almost 40/60 and wasting time from the 60th minute against Peru. Glorious French team. Yeah pretty BM level of time wasting
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Bearded Elder29876 Posts
I don't need to. Stating that VAR is not an improvement is a false statement anyway.
Refs are only humans, so are we, we tend to do mistakes, VAR is here to correct the mistakes.
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On June 22 2018 01:51 HolydaKing wrote:Why? It's a massive improvement for sure. Sure, it's not perfect but it leads to more fair games and that's great.
Not in its current implementation. It just makes other aspects unfair - e.g. which calls gets reviewed. See lack of penalty on Cornelius who didn’t dive after getting massively grabbed for one such instance.
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On June 22 2018 01:58 739 wrote: I don't need to. Stating that VAR is not an improvement is a false statement anyway.
Refs are only humans, so are we, we tend to do mistakes, VAR is here to correct the mistakes.
Please stay out of the discussion if you don’t want to have it. You are being fairly childish.
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Ghostcom is just a bitter Dane and whining on VAR because it cost them two penalties
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On June 22 2018 01:57 sneirac wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2018 01:49 Ghostcom wrote: No it isn’t.
EDIT: To qualify my statement a bit further, look at the previous post on the issue in this thread that I made. Add to that the fairly obvious randomness in what gets reviewed and what doesn’t- e.g lack of free kick to Poulensen 15 seconds prior to the handball and the lack of penalty to Cornelius. There is no randomness on what gets reviewed, it is clearly and distinctly defined and applied to both teams. Fair enough if you think it should be more, it will eventually be more but it would never have been approved in the first place if it immediately went from no VAR to full VAR. You need to be aware of what you are actually arguing. Every time VAR is used a mistake is corrected in the game. In order for VAR to make the game worse not only does a call have to be missed, a call has to actually be changed from correct to wrong. Unless that happens or it takes far longer than it should, it will always be a net gain to the game.
I am fully aware. And you are wrong. VAR doesn’t get it right every time - just like the on-field ref doesn’t. And sometimes correcting a call which only happened because another call went uncorrected will not lead to a net gain. Take Australia’s penalty which they only got because a situation arose following another missed call which wasn’t reviewed. Had the ref not missed the call the situation would never have arisen.
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On June 22 2018 02:01 sharkie wrote: Ghostcom is just a bitter Dane and whining on VAR because it cost them two penalties
Whenever you want to add some substance feel free to join in.
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On June 22 2018 02:03 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2018 01:57 sneirac wrote:On June 22 2018 01:49 Ghostcom wrote: No it isn’t.
EDIT: To qualify my statement a bit further, look at the previous post on the issue in this thread that I made. Add to that the fairly obvious randomness in what gets reviewed and what doesn’t- e.g lack of free kick to Poulensen 15 seconds prior to the handball and the lack of penalty to Cornelius. There is no randomness on what gets reviewed, it is clearly and distinctly defined and applied to both teams. Fair enough if you think it should be more, it will eventually be more but it would never have been approved in the first place if it immediately went from no VAR to full VAR. You need to be aware of what you are actually arguing. Every time VAR is used a mistake is corrected in the game. In order for VAR to make the game worse not only does a call have to be missed, a call has to actually be changed from correct to wrong. Unless that happens or it takes far longer than it should, it will always be a net gain to the game. I am fully aware. And you are wrong. VAR doesn’t get it right every time - just like the on-field ref doesn’t. And sometimes correcting a call which only happened because another call went uncorrected will not lead to a net gain. Take Australia’s penalty which they only got because a situation arose following another missed call which wasn’t reviewed. Had the ref not missed the call the situation would never have arisen. I didn't say VAR gets it right every time. I said VAR is almost never a detriment to the game. And again, eventually all sports will be fully video reviewed and a freekick like oyu mentioned will be part of VAR, but we aren't there yet and correcting some mistakes is better than correcting no mistakes.
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That is your opinion and that is fine. But please be aware that what you are currently actually doing is simply moving fairly obvious perceived unfairness of a wrong call to another less obviously perceived unfairness which is to get your call reviewed.
Also you literally stated that every time VAR is used a mistake is corrected in the game. A statement which I fail to comprehend in any other way than you thinking that VAR gets it right every time.
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Nice first half then not so much but the Peruvians were never dangerous.
Both Kantés were amazing.
Qualified for the next round.
Sad to see Peru eliminated rather than the other two bus from the group.
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On June 22 2018 02:09 Ghostcom wrote: That is your opinion and that is fine. But please be aware that what you are currently actually doing is simply moving fairly obvious perceived unfairness of a wrong call to another less obviously perceived unfairness which is to get your call reviewed.
Also you literally stated that every time VAR is used a mistake is corrected in the game. A statement which I fail to comprehend in any other way than you thinking that VAR gets it right every time. Fair enough we disagree, and just so you know the stats the first season of use in Italy, Germany and Neds show a net benefit, early but promising.
As to the 2nd part:
In order for VAR to be used there has to be a mistake in the game, now 3 options:
a) VAR is used to correct the call -> benefit to the game b) VAR should be used but isn't -> the call is still wrong, VAR did not improve or worsen the game c) VAR is used and actively makes a mistake or VAR is used when there was no mistake in the game -> VAR has made the game worse
As far as I know, c) has happened once in 150+ uses in the bundesliga and not at all in this world cup.
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Except you are not accounting for the behaviour of the players which VAR promotes in both cases a, b, and c. Cornelius for example stated that he is much more likely to dive in the future to get his plays reviewed. Clearly there are more facets to the discussion than you list.
Also, the experience differs quite a bit in the NFL to the point where a yearly increasing proportion of fans, pundits and players argue to let the onfield refs do the job and do away with the video review and challenge-system altogether as it disturbs the flow of the game too much (I'll admit I've been in this camp since VAR was used to overrule the Dez Bryant catch for a TD two years ago - and I'm actively rooting against the cowboys)
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Germany3128 Posts
On June 22 2018 02:26 Ghostcom wrote: Except you are not accounting for the behaviour of the players which VAR promotes in both cases a, b, and c. Cornelius for example stated that he is much more likely to dive in the future to get his plays reviewed. Clearly there are more facets to the discussion than you list.
Also, the experience differs quite a bit in the NFL to the point where a yearly increasing proportion of fans, pundits and players argue to let the onfield refs do the job and do away with the video review and challenge-system altogether as it disturbs the flow of the game too much (I'll admit I've been in this camp since VAR was used to overrule the Dez Bryant catch for a TD two years ago - and I'm actively rooting against the cowboys) Unfortunate example. The stats show that in Italy the dives have way decreased since VAR is used.
Something like 40% or so
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All bad behaviour is and will continue to keep decreasing thanks to VAR.
It's a blessing
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If say 10% of decisions were wrong before, and now its 9% because of VAR, its an improvement. It might not make any specific game more fair, but it improves things over a period of time.
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On June 22 2018 02:29 TheNewEra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2018 02:26 Ghostcom wrote: Except you are not accounting for the behaviour of the players which VAR promotes in both cases a, b, and c. Cornelius for example stated that he is much more likely to dive in the future to get his plays reviewed. Clearly there are more facets to the discussion than you list.
Also, the experience differs quite a bit in the NFL to the point where a yearly increasing proportion of fans, pundits and players argue to let the onfield refs do the job and do away with the video review and challenge-system altogether as it disturbs the flow of the game too much (I'll admit I've been in this camp since VAR was used to overrule the Dez Bryant catch for a TD two years ago - and I'm actively rooting against the cowboys) Unfortunate example. The stats show that in Italy the dives have way decreased since VAR is used. Something like 40% or so
It was a literal quote from a player from a league where diving is frowned upon. You can argue that it won’t help him as he will get carded for acting rather than get a penalty (which I may agree with although VAR has resulted in some quite liberal penalties so far at the WC - maybe you have some data on the average number of penalties with/without VAR?), but to say that he is not going to do what he literally says he will because the league plagued the most by diving (possibly second to Spain admittedly) saw a reduction is a pretty weak argument. You can argue overall that diving will be decreased, but then you have already conceded that VAR changes behavior. Your underlying assumption seem to be that the behavior will only be changed positively, however it is just a question of time before players figure out what they have to do to get VAR reviews to be favorable to them before they start doing it. Again, look to the NFL. Further, you have yet to address the issue of the flow of the game when VAR is necessarily expanded to more aspects of the game.
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Norway28262 Posts
VAR changing behavior is a feature, not a bug.. If it makes people dive less, fake injury less, fall down from being touched less, punch people when ref is not watching less, then all of these are preferable outcomes to players doing these things equally frequently while being punished for them more frequently.
the argument about too extensive VAR being detrimental to the free flow of the game is a valid point of view - but I disagree that what we've seen in the WC has constituted that (but it'd be a fair point of view). But more decisions being made correctly (factual consequence) and that players will misbehave less (observable from other leagues where it's been implemented) are both overall good consequences that can't really be contested, even if it's possible to find individual cases where it's been bad. The idea of diving more because of VAR seems like a pretty stupid statement from a guy who is understandably frustrated by getting two VAR calls against, where one actually could have gone either way even with video review and I don't actually think he's gonna follow through with it.
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You only addressed like 50% of each of the arguments so I hope you will entertain me and spend time on the full arguments as well. I.e. you assume that the behavioral changes are all going to be towards more “fair” play, and not towards gaming the system. This seems an unreasonable assumption if experience of professional sports in general and NFL in particular in relation to VAR is in any way transferable. Sure diving in the most dive-heavy league has diminished, yet Neymar wasn’t carded? How is VAR in its current implementation going to discourage diving then? Especially if you need to dive to get a review in the first place?
The statement about diving more was exactly because VAR is apparently only used at the WC if you dive as VAR was not used to review Cornelius situation (or the rules of football changed and you are now allowed to pull the jersey nearly off your opponent to stop him). Another such example was seen in the latest Switzerland game. VAR is in its current implementation results in unfairness due to only selected situations being reviewed. Ultimately my argument is that for the current iteration of VAR to be fair you have to review all situations, and If you are to take the current iteration of VAR and review all situations you are going to interrupt the flow of the game too much (to be clear: that is quite a different argument than the one you are refuting).
As always thanks for providing a constructive post though. It is appreciated.
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Playday 3 outlook:
At first this group might look like it is already decided, given the points distribution (6-4-1-0). But... it is not! France is already in the playoffs, but if they still take their last game serious, they can help out Australia. Denmark better put everything into this game. And Australias only venture in the knockout rounds was with a 4 point group stage back in 2006. Can they repeat that?
Possible qualification scenarios:
Denmark 1st, France 2nd, Australia eliminated - Denmark wins France 1st, Denmark 2nd, Australia eliminated - Denmark draws - Denmark loses, Australia does not win - Denmark loses by 1, Australia wins by 1, Denmark scores more goals than Australia - Denmark loses by 1, Australia wins by 1, they score the same amount of goals and Australia gets at least 2 FFPR points (e.g. 2 yellows) more than Denmark - Denmark loses by 1, Australia wins by 1, they score the same amount of goals and Australia gets 1 FFPR point (e.g. 1 yellow) more than Denmark and Denmark wins the lottery France 1st, Australia 2nd, Denmark eliminated - Denmark loses, Australia wins, one game has a goal margin of at least 2 - Denmark loses by 1, Australia wins by 1, Australia scores more goals than Denmark - Denmark loses by 1, Australia wins by 1, they score the same amount of goals and Australia gets less or the same amount of FFPR points as Denmark - Denmark loses by 1, Australia wins by 1, they score the same amount of goals and Australia gets 1 FFPR point (e.g. 1 yellow) more than Denmark and Australia wins the lottery
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France going full power.
It seems coaches share our point of resting players being fatal for tournament success.
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Nope I really meant it for real.
Aren't you surprised that France is going full squad?
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On June 26 2018 22:53 sharkie wrote: Nope I really meant it for real.
Aren't you surprised that France is going full squad?
Well... they arent, lol.... Did you see the lineups? They rotated 6 times, if this isn't a B team, I don't know what is...
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Looked like a pen live
e: and like a dive on replay
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On June 26 2018 22:54 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 22:53 sharkie wrote: Nope I really meant it for real.
Aren't you surprised that France is going full squad? Well... they arent, lol.... Did you see the lineups? They rotated 6 times, if this isn't a B team, I don't know what is...
well in my case I'd say they benched the bad players and replaced them with better ones and with the exception of Lloris all good ones are in the starting eleven :p
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They rested players, but it's not like France has that many exceptional players (except for Kanté). The subs are about the same level as the usual starters.
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wow denmark almost scored from a nice counter
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Australia is playing surprisingly well against Peru.
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Australia have played well the whole tournament imo.
They are the perfect example that you teamwork can be as good as superstars
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Carrillo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You know football rules are flawed when it can be so advantageous to make a foul.
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On June 26 2018 23:48 Hider wrote: You know football rules are flawed when it can be so advantageous to make a foul.
It's similar in many sports though, no? There are definitely times in basketball and American football where fouling someone is the "smart" thing to do.
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On June 26 2018 23:51 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 23:48 Hider wrote: You know football rules are flawed when it can be so advantageous to make a foul. It's similar in many sports though, no? There are definitely times in basketball and American football where fouling someone is the "smart" thing to do.
Probably. Still doens't justify it. If football was an esports, this shit would get patched.
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TLADT24917 Posts
On June 26 2018 23:53 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 23:51 darthfoley wrote:On June 26 2018 23:48 Hider wrote: You know football rules are flawed when it can be so advantageous to make a foul. It's similar in many sports though, no? There are definitely times in basketball and American football where fouling someone is the "smart" thing to do. Probably. Still doens't justify it. If football was an esports, this shit would get patched. Well, football is an actual sport so it doesn't need patching...
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On June 26 2018 23:55 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 23:53 Hider wrote:On June 26 2018 23:51 darthfoley wrote:On June 26 2018 23:48 Hider wrote: You know football rules are flawed when it can be so advantageous to make a foul. It's similar in many sports though, no? There are definitely times in basketball and American football where fouling someone is the "smart" thing to do. Probably. Still doens't justify it. If football was an esports, this shit would get patched. Well, football is an actual sport so it doesn't need patching...
this makes no sense at any level.
You do patching to make the game better/more entertaiing. That's relevant for sports as well who also has changes. The reason football doesn't have as many pathes is the implementation part has a lot more costs related to it.
Hence this is one of the major reasons esports eventually (on a long enough time frame) will become bigger than traditional sports. It's simply a lot easier to make a much better game.
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TLADT24917 Posts
On June 27 2018 00:01 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 23:55 BigFan wrote:On June 26 2018 23:53 Hider wrote:On June 26 2018 23:51 darthfoley wrote:On June 26 2018 23:48 Hider wrote: You know football rules are flawed when it can be so advantageous to make a foul. It's similar in many sports though, no? There are definitely times in basketball and American football where fouling someone is the "smart" thing to do. Probably. Still doens't justify it. If football was an esports, this shit would get patched. Well, football is an actual sport so it doesn't need patching... this makes no sense at any level. You do patching to make the game better/more entertaiing. That's relevant for sports as well who also has changes. The reason football doesn't have as many pathes is the implementation part has a lot more costs related to it. Hence this is one of the major reasons esports eventually (on a long enough time frame) will become bigger than traditional sports. It's simply a lot easier to make a much better game. It makes perfect sense if you think about it.
Ya, like how Blizzard went overboard and was overpatching SCII at one point. No thanks, football is fine as is.
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Esports won't get bigger because relevant games change every few years and i doubt this will change honestly. Other than that, yes ofc you would wanna change traditional sports rules as well to make the game better. Just like football does right now with var.
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On June 26 2018 23:53 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 23:51 darthfoley wrote:On June 26 2018 23:48 Hider wrote: You know football rules are flawed when it can be so advantageous to make a foul. It's similar in many sports though, no? There are definitely times in basketball and American football where fouling someone is the "smart" thing to do. Probably. Still doens't justify it. If football was an esports, this shit would get patched.
I follow basketball and American football and the leagues have made attempts to make fouls less advantageous. It's like asking politicians to close legal loopholes. Reality has a way of intruding upon the best of intentions. You can only do so much and some fixes have other negative consequences.
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The french are wearing german kits?
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9uerrero!!!!
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well, no more searching for the worst game of the tournament I guess Disappointing by France, but thoroughly disgusting by denmark
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France disappointing yet again. Their greatest weakness is their attitude
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That was a snoozefest with both teams playing for a draw to get into Ro16
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TLADT24917 Posts
Wth was that. Just terrible. It's like they weren't even trying to win. If this is the France team this year, they suck.
Man, aside from like several teams, a lot of teams this WC are uninspiring and frankly, boring.
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I would ve pissed if i paid to watch that game ... It was a set up. No team played to win
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France12466 Posts
Hopefully we are rested, what a boring game
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I really hope france And denmark get anally distroyed next round
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On June 27 2018 00:55 BigFan wrote: Wth was that. Just terrible. It's like they weren't even trying to win. If this is the France team this year, they suck.
Man, aside from like several teams, a lot of teams this WC are uninspiring and frankly, boring. TBF almost any world cup is like this though.
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Danish players apparently weren't told they could go all-in on the victory at the end as peru was ahead by 2-0.
What a shitty coach. No reason not to attempt to go for the win if it could not mean you could play against iceland or nigeria instead of croatia. But I guess he can now continue on with the record-streak of not being defeated.
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Clearly the best match in the tournament so far
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On June 27 2018 01:19 Hider wrote: Danish players apparently weren't told they could go all-in on the victory at the end as peru was ahead by 2-0.
What a shitty coach. No reason not to attempt to go for the win if it could not mean you could play against iceland or nigeria instead of croatia. But I guess he can now continue on with the record-streak of not being defeated.
Of course they weren't. A win for Denmark was not part of the deal. You don't want to piss off your business partners, because next time they will not do business with you.
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On June 27 2018 02:32 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 01:19 Hider wrote: Danish players apparently weren't told they could go all-in on the victory at the end as peru was ahead by 2-0.
What a shitty coach. No reason not to attempt to go for the win if it could not mean you could play against iceland or nigeria instead of croatia. But I guess he can now continue on with the record-streak of not being defeated. Of course they weren't. A win for Denmark was not part of the deal. You don't want to piss off your business partners, because next time they will not do business with you.
A draw was advantageous for France. Not for Denmark after Peru had secured a win.
This has nothing to do with business, but just Denmark's coach not understanding how to optimize the chance they got as far in the tournament as possible.
France was going to play for the draw no matter what. Your analogy makes no sense at any level. For satire to be fun it has to based on something that is true.
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It has everything to do with business. When you make a deal with someone to finish at draw to ensure your place in the Ro16, it is not polite to change your mind later and try to win.
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On June 27 2018 03:42 Pr0wler wrote: It has everything to do with business. When you make a deal with someone to finish at draw to ensure your place in the Ro16, it is not polite to change your mind later and try to win.
i still remember Sweden vs Denmark, was it 2-2 and ciao bella to Italy?
but in all seriousness, I literally fell asleep during the match. I was hyped to watch what I expected to be the best game of the group so far, even with France resting a lot of players, with so much depth I didnt think it would matter. I woke up around 70. minutes and I really liked Fekir, rest were complete shit. I just couldnt understand Denmark not even trying to catch 1st place. Did they want to avoid Argentina or something??
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