Brazil are rightfully heavy favorites in this group and should breeze past the 3 opponents without much issues. The attacking force of Brazil is in full swing already it seems from their early pre tournament friendlies and Neymar is looking fit and fresh. Tite has them playing the beautiful Joga Bonito football we remember from 2002 with the likes of Ronaldinho, Ronaldo and Rivaldo in the team. Switzerland are first up for Brazil in the group and well they never seem to convince me they are a good side. They did ok in qualifying but eventually lost out to Portugal in a last game decider and had to settle on a play off vs Northern Ireland in which they looked absolutely terrible in. I think they get soundly beaten by Brazil and then i think that could cause them to collapse vs the other teams. Serbia are another huge enigma with great potential and just never living up to it. They have talent throughout the squad with the likes of Ivanovic and Matic being the leaders who have been there and done it at the top level. Add in the world class talent that is Milinković-Savić and you have the ingredients of being a decent side, but they don't show it. If they can turn up here they could beat Switzerland into second spot, but can they show up? Lastly rounding out the group is Costa Rica who aged a lot after their heroics in Brazil four years ago after they topped the group of death comfortably at the expense of Italy, Uruguay and England. They have looked dreadful in pre tournament warm up games as well, getting beatenly soundly on both occassions. They have another huge task ahead of them in this group with Serbia and Switzerland good solid opposition for them, let alone a full force assault at the hands of Brazil. Predictions 1st - Brazil 2nd - Serbia 3rd - Switzerland 4th - Costa Rica
Squads
Goalkeepers Alisson - Cássio - Ederson Defenders Thiago Silva - Miranda - Pedro Geromel - Filipe Luís - Marcelo - Marquinhos - Danilo - Fagner Midfielders Casemiro - Renato Augusto - Philippe Coutinho - Paulinho - Fernandinho - Fred - Willian Forwards Douglas Costa - Gabriel Jesus - Neymar (captain) - Roberto Firmino - Taison
Goalkeepers Yann Sommer - Yvon Mvogo - Roman Bürki Defenders Stephan Lichtsteiner (captain) - François Moubandje - Nico Elvedi - Manuel Akanji - Michael Lang - Ricardo Rodríguez - Johan Djourou - Fabian Schär Midfielders Remo Freuler - Granit Xhaka - Valon Behrami - Steven Zuber - Blerim Džemaili - Gelson Fernandes - Denis Zakaria - Xherdan Shaqiri Forwards Breel Embolo - Haris Seferović - Mario Gavranović - Josip Drmić
Goalkeepers Keylor Navas - Patrick Pemberton - Leonel Moreira Defenders Johnny Acosta - Giancarlo González - Ian Smith - Óscar Duarte - Bryan Oviedo - Francisco Calvo - Cristian Gamboa - Kendall Waston - Kenner Gutiérrez Midfielders Celso Borges - Christian Bolaños - Daniel Colindres - Bryan Ruiz (captain) - Rodney Wallace - Randall Azofeifa - Yeltsin Tejeda - David Guzmán Forwards Johan Venegas - Joel Campbell - Marco Ureña
Goalkeepers Vladimir Stojković - Predrag Rajković - Marko Dmitrović Defenders Antonio Rukavina - Duško Tošić - Uroš Spajić - Branislav Ivanović - Aleksandar Kolarov (captain) - Miloš Veljković - Milan Rodić - Nikola Milenković Midfielders Luka Milivojević - Andrija Živković - Dušan Tadić - Marko Grujić - Filip Kostić - Sergej Milinković-Savić - Nemanja Matić - Adem Ljajić Forwards Aleksandar Prijović - Aleksandar Mitrović - Nemanja Radonjić - Luka Jović
Fixtures and Results
Sunday, Jun 17 12:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Sunday, Jun 17 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Friday, Jun 22 12:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Friday, Jun 22 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Wednesday, Jun 27 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Wednesday, Jun 27 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
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(Vote): Serbia & Switzerland (Vote): Brazil & Costa Rica (Vote): Switzerland & Costa Rica (Vote): Brazil & Serbia (Vote): Costa Rica & Serbia (Vote): Brazil & Switerzland
Poll: Who Do You Want To Advance
Brazil & Serbia (4)
31%
Serbia & Switzerland (3)
23%
Brazil & Costa Rica (2)
15%
Switzerland & Costa Rica (2)
15%
Costa Rica & Serbia (1)
8%
Brazil & Switerzland (1)
8%
13 total votes
Your vote: Who Do You Want To Advance
(Vote): Serbia & Switzerland (Vote): Brazil & Costa Rica (Vote): Switzerland & Costa Rica (Vote): Brazil & Serbia (Vote): Costa Rica & Serbia (Vote): Brazil & Switerzland
On June 17 2018 20:37 Mafe wrote: Well. Serbia is the one team I want germany to avoid. So go Costa Rica.
Gotta be kidding? Arguably Serbia is the weakest EU representative
Yes, these balcan teams always have been the bogey teams of germany in recent history (aka, since I can remember watching big tournaments as a child mid 90s). Fans and media give them no credit and somehow the national team always underperforms. I checked the results at big tournaments since '94 to see if it is not just my traumatic childhood memory of Yordan Letchkov, and it was confirmed: 94: 1-2 bulgaria. 96: 2-1 croatia 98: 2-2 yugoslavia, 0-3 croatia 00: 1-1 romania 08: 1-2 croatia 10: 0-1 serbia (12: 4-2 greece) There's definitely something wrong here.
Also, great free kick. (I wonder if it is possible to score on a direct freekick without making it look like an awesome piece of skill)
On June 17 2018 20:37 Mafe wrote: Well. Serbia is the one team I want germany to avoid. So go Costa Rica.
Gotta be kidding? Arguably Serbia is the weakest EU representative
Yes, these balcan teams always have been the bogey teams of germany in recent history (aka, since I can remember watching big tournaments as a child mid 90s). Fans and media give them no credit and somehow the national team always underperforms. I checked the results at big tournaments since '94 to see if it is not just my traumatic childhood memory of Yordan Letchkov, and it was confirmed: 94: 1-2 bulgaria. 96: 2-1 croatia 98: 2-2 yugoslavia, 0-3 croatia 00: 1-1 romania 08: 1-2 croatia 10: 0-1 serbia (12: 4-2 greece) There's definitely something wrong here.
Also, great free kick. (I wonder if it is possible to score on a direct freekick without making it look like an awesome piece of skill)
3 losses in 24 years is not that big honestly, it might be due to a differences in style, Greece for example is typical bus as we know it. On the other hand Croatia looks great indeed, but I would play vs Serbia any day rather then Belgium or Denmark.
Regarding freekick, the wall was broke when they jump and a ball went inbetween two Costa-Rica players
On June 17 2018 22:55 Faruko wrote: OH COME ON, THIS IS GOING TOO FAR ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?
AND FOR A YELLOW? I CAN'T BELIEV IT
It was reviewed because it was a potential red. Just because you took time for a review does not mean you actually give red then. If it was red by default we would not need review in the first place.
On June 17 2018 23:02 Faruko wrote: I'm so against all these slap being reviewed, not because they don't deserve it but because how many of them happen throughout the game?
Are you going to stop the game every 5 minutes?
But thats part of the point of VAR, if you actually start punishing situations like this then people will stop thinking they can get away with it. One of the effects of var in leagues where it has been introduced has been a documented drop in fouls.
On June 17 2018 23:02 Faruko wrote: I'm so against all these slap being reviewed, not because they don't deserve it but because how many of them happen throughout the game?
Are you going to stop the game every 5 minutes?
It doesn't take many VAR-games to get players to stop those slaps.
They happen much less because VAR exists and players know that. Same with pretending to be slapped. Actually was this not the first instance in the whole tournament?
On June 17 2018 23:17 gTank wrote: This had to be a red card if the ref calls it, not yellow, red....
The VAR team can initiate a review if they think it could be a red card. But it doesnt mean that the only allowed outcomes of the review process can be to either not chance anything or red card someone (which I guess could be a loophole to reVAR more or less everything).
Edit: Or are you just saying this situation was a clear red card?
I don't; really like how much Brazil pulled back after the goal. They were playing with a lot more intensity and aggression and really had the Swiss on their heels.
Most of these players played 50+ games this season. It is completely normal for them to pull back and slow down when they are in control. I'm sure that we will see the same from the other teams, when they are ahead.
LOL a Germany "Kroos offside disgusting diver playing for dirty cheating thiefs club" talking about Neymar. I thought you were going to talk about how it was a foul on Miranda in the start, but referee didn't give it, then William barely touched someone and it was given the foul. Not to talk about how Neymar was held with anti-game and the Switzerland dude didn't get a yellow.
But I understand fellow german, we have the gold medal, we have the true best player in the world (not a media/FIFA/referees boy diva penaldo), we have the best team in the world. Go cry and hate. BUT BUT 7-1, yea congratulations, that's the very reason you hate Neymar after all. Cos your "B team" Confederations Cup champion team would have beaten the Mexico that Chile put 7-0 past, your overrated A team didn't.
On June 18 2018 03:49 Redox wrote: Pretty lame how Brazil slowed down after gaining the lead. I kinda hope they get punished for that, though I doubt it.
You're right, they got punished. Now Brazil have to start over again
On June 18 2018 04:12 N1E wrote: Oh look, another foul on Miranda pushed on his back, this time causing a goal.
VAR only to benefit europeans.
If that little push affected so much, i don't know what to say. LOL
nah it was a significant push. definitely made him lose his balance. Though ofc ridiclous to think there is a european conspiracy. brazilian fans are something else.
On June 18 2018 04:12 N1E wrote: Oh look, another foul on Miranda pushed on his back, this time causing a goal.
VAR only to benefit europeans.
if that was a foul we should abandon corner kicks at all in football. Just turn it into flag football. This happens at every single corner kick in football. Usually even harder.
Gotta love how 5 Brazilian shirts in 6 yard box and 1 Swiss guy wins header. Can even ask what Allison is doing there too, anything in 6 yard box should be keepers ball. Instead they all sit still and watch the equalizer go in.
Worst part, i actually thought Brazil were doing very very well, everything, defending great, letting Switzerland come onto them and then maybe get some counters going. Controlling the game, acting like a real champion. Instead they blow it all away with awful defending on a set piece
On June 18 2018 04:12 N1E wrote: Oh look, another foul on Miranda pushed on his back, this time causing a goal.
VAR only to benefit europeans.
If that little push affected so much, i don't know what to say. LOL
nah it was a significant push. definitely made him lose his balance. Though ofc ridiclous to think there is a european conspiracy. brazilian fans are something else.
Sure.. Probably shouldn't have been so far away from the guy in the first place.
On June 18 2018 04:12 N1E wrote: Oh look, another foul on Miranda pushed on his back, this time causing a goal.
VAR only to benefit europeans.
If that little push affected so much, i don't know what to say. LOL
nah it was a significant push. definitely made him lose his balance. Though ofc ridiclous to think there is a european conspiracy. brazilian fans are something else.
Sure.. Probably shouldn't have been so far away from the guy in the first place.
On June 18 2018 04:12 N1E wrote: Oh look, another foul on Miranda pushed on his back, this time causing a goal.
VAR only to benefit europeans.
If that little push affected so much, i don't know what to say. LOL
nah it was a significant push. definitely made him lose his balance. Though ofc ridiclous to think there is a european conspiracy. brazilian fans are something else.
Sure.. Probably shouldn't have been so far away from the guy in the first place.
On June 18 2018 04:12 N1E wrote: Oh look, another foul on Miranda pushed on his back, this time causing a goal.
VAR only to benefit europeans.
If that little push affected so much, i don't know what to say. LOL
nah it was a significant push. definitely made him lose his balance. Though ofc ridiclous to think there is a european conspiracy. brazilian fans are something else.
Sure.. Probably shouldn't have been so far away from the guy in the first place.
as he is attempting to go back so he can challenge the header he gets pushed forward and loses balance. 100% clear foul.
Sorry, i don't see how that made any difference. Miranda is almost a hand length off from the guy before the push. Even if he didn't have pushed, i don't think Miranda had no chance to do anything there.
On June 18 2018 04:12 N1E wrote: Oh look, another foul on Miranda pushed on his back, this time causing a goal.
VAR only to benefit europeans.
If that little push affected so much, i don't know what to say. LOL
nah it was a significant push. definitely made him lose his balance. Though ofc ridiclous to think there is a european conspiracy. brazilian fans are something else.
Sure.. Probably shouldn't have been so far away from the guy in the first place.
On June 18 2018 04:12 N1E wrote: Oh look, another foul on Miranda pushed on his back, this time causing a goal.
VAR only to benefit europeans.
If that little push affected so much, i don't know what to say. LOL
nah it was a significant push. definitely made him lose his balance. Though ofc ridiclous to think there is a european conspiracy. brazilian fans are something else.
Sure.. Probably shouldn't have been so far away from the guy in the first place.
On June 18 2018 04:25 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: We lost 2 crucial points in qualification for a disallowed goal from Dost for a small push in the back with a elbow
On June 18 2018 04:25 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: We lost 2 crucial points in qualification for a disallowed goal from Dost for a small push in the back with a elbow
I don't disagree, but also notice how the swedish player gets pushed in the air and not on the ground, which obv. makes a big difference. So the situations are not easily comparable.
On June 18 2018 04:51 Ysellian wrote: Damn, I thought that was going in. Of the four favorites only Spain showed up it seems like, still early days though.
Incoming brilliant England tomorrow.
Watch England smash their group and lose to Senegal in Ro16
On June 18 2018 04:51 Ysellian wrote: Damn, I thought that was going in. Of the four favorites only Spain showed up it seems like, still early days though.
On June 18 2018 04:51 Ysellian wrote: Damn, I thought that was going in. Of the four favorites only Spain showed up it seems like, still early days though.
Incoming brilliant England tomorrow.
Watch England smash their group and lose to Senegal in Ro16
Haha yeah, with Mane scoring a hattrick against them.
Spain, Brazil, Germany, Argentina all fail to win. France won, but looked terrible while doing so. Portugal looked like Ronaldo is the only thing keeping them in this tournament.
On June 18 2018 04:57 Stratos_speAr wrote: Not a single top-tier team has looked great.
Spain, Brazil, Germany, Argentina all fail to win. France won, but looked terrible while doing so. Portugal looked like Ronaldo is the only thing keeping them in this tournament.
On June 18 2018 04:57 Stratos_speAr wrote: Not a single top-tier team has looked great.
Spain, Brazil, Germany, Argentina all fail to win. France won, but looked terrible while doing so. Portugal looked like Ronaldo is the only thing keeping them in this tournament.
We'll see how England and Belgium look.
Spain at least played very well and they faced another top team.
On June 18 2018 04:57 Stratos_speAr wrote: Not a single top-tier team has looked great.
Spain, Brazil, Germany, Argentina all fail to win. France won, but looked terrible while doing so. Portugal looked like Ronaldo is the only thing keeping them in this tournament.
We'll see how England and Belgium look.
Must...... resist....... urge.......
(Because this WC they might legitimately finish ahead of germany)
This is not good but Brazil rarely does well on first matches. Usually we manage to barely win, but this time we got "unlucky" with some calls and shots. At the end of the day it doesn't matter much, as long as we get past group stages and hit our stride during playoffs.
On June 18 2018 04:57 Stratos_speAr wrote: Not a single top-tier team has looked great.
Spain, Brazil, Germany, Argentina all fail to win. France won, but looked terrible while doing so. Portugal looked like Ronaldo is the only thing keeping them in this tournament.
We'll see how England and Belgium look.
Must...... resist....... urge.......
(Because this WC they might legitimately finish ahead of germany)
I hope so! Germany winning the WC and Belgium having a legitimately good team have made these last couple years really trying as a Dutchman
lol if you're not joking, go watch the game without hate and jealousy maybe you'll actually see what happens.
Yea Argentina lots of respect, the only reason they didn't win with a penalty given only because they want to sell that FIFA propaganda Messi is because he flopped. Other fake propagandas didn't miss it (Penaldo and Griezmann).
On June 18 2018 05:29 Dan HH wrote: He's not entirely wrong, when I saw that push on Miranda I thought for sure the goal was gonna be disallowed
Both decisions just weren't wrong enough to trigger VAR review. Also jesus waited way too long, if he went down with two arms around him and not thrown himself dramatically to the ground 2 seconds later when he thought the ball was gone, that would have been called.
On June 18 2018 04:57 Stratos_speAr wrote: Not a single top-tier team has looked great.
Spain, Brazil, Germany, Argentina all fail to win. France won, but looked terrible while doing so. Portugal looked like Ronaldo is the only thing keeping them in this tournament.
We'll see how England and Belgium look.
I thought Spain played really well only to be foiled by a brilliant Ronaldo.
On June 18 2018 07:15 Divine-Sneaker wrote: Thank fuck for whoever timed him out. It's worse than peak starcraft balance whine.
All these favourites having shaky starts is pretty interesting in spite of most matches being of rather poor footballing quality.
tbh i dont know how pande tolerates his shit
he's Brazillian Pande... can't you all see the resemblance?
Hold up, i am not a moderator, my title might be that, but that is just lazy admins that don't want to change it. I do other work for the site, more adminstrative, as i look after social media amongst other stuff. I am not a moderator, that is down to KadaverBB and his team. Anything that happens in football thread i ask to be consulted on that is all. KadaverBB asked me for my opinion which was given to him and he then subsuqentially banned N1E for 7 days. That is about as far as it goes.
Football isn't like StarCraft or Esports as you all know, a lot of stuff gets heated during a game / just after so i ask for a bit more leniecny when it comes to allowing the odd negative post or aggressive post, but that isn't to say i allow N1E. I have personally asked N1E to tone it down after the Champions league final etc. He also only got banned this time for his awful post after Switzerland equalized, not for anything after that.
Now lets move on, this is a good time, the World Cup, lets not spoil anything
Neymar's noodle hair not quite living up to ronaldo's. At least so far. It's sort of uncanny how many footballers get these rather ridiculous haircuts.
On June 18 2018 21:05 Divine-Sneaker wrote: Neymar's noodle hair not quite living up to ronaldo's. At least so far. It's sort of uncanny how many footballers get these rather ridiculous haircuts.
my mom likes to see how many different styles they can get going
On June 18 2018 21:05 Divine-Sneaker wrote: Neymar's noodle hair not quite living up to ronaldo's. At least so far. It's sort of uncanny how many footballers get these rather ridiculous haircuts.
It's the same ankle that was hurting after the game. His sock was also torn by the end of the match, so it's not really a training injury. You can say the dude embellishes the fouls but he gets hacked a lot during games.
Anyway, according to the medical team it's nothing to worry about and he should train tomorrow as scheduled.
Brazil vs Costa Rica up next. Usually I'd just ask how many goals will Brazil score, but lots of things have happened so far. I "only" expect a 2-0 for Brazil.
On June 22 2018 21:42 LennX wrote: How I wish for a new ruling. Every time a player rolls around injured, the referee can send him off for a 3 mins medical timeout. :D
I really hope they will use their video technology to fight this cancerous attitude of players, every time someone acts like that it should be an instant yellow card, that would stop players from even trying.
only 1 shot on goal in the first half. cant believe Costa Rica didnt at least put that one on target where the guy got the open look inside the 18 but kicked it wide left
On June 22 2018 21:42 LennX wrote: How I wish for a new ruling. Every time a player rolls around injured, the referee can send him off for a 3 mins medical timeout. :D
I really hope they will use their video technology to fight this cancerous attitude of players, every time someone acts like that it should be an instant yellow card, that would stop players from even trying.
A YC may be too harsh ad hard to judge but if that is what it takes, I'm all for it. We see rugby players fighting to stay on the pitch while clearly injured, footballers should at least have something close to that.
In general, adding the embellishment rule from hockey would really help.
It doesn't matter if you were fouled or not, overselling can be punished regardless. Means that even if the guy fouls you and get a freekick and he is shown a yellow.... If you don't leve the triple salto to the high divers, you can also pick up a yellow there.
On June 22 2018 21:42 LennX wrote: How I wish for a new ruling. Every time a player rolls around injured, the referee can send him off for a 3 mins medical timeout. :D
I really hope they will use their video technology to fight this cancerous attitude of players, every time someone acts like that it should be an instant yellow card, that would stop players from even trying.
A YC may be too harsh ad hard to judge but if that is what it takes, I'm all for it. We see rugby players fighting to stay on the pitch while clearly injured, footballers should at least have something close to that.
Haha i would even be harsher and give red cards for clear acting honestly, it's a disgrace and shouldn't have any place in the sport. Ofc it should be only used when it is very clear that there was no foul or for things like the player acting like he was hit in the face while that's untrue, obvious acting to bait the referee.
I am a very casual viewer these days and this wc reminds me why that is, football isn't a great viewing experience in 80+% of the time. It needs a patch to nerf defensive play
On June 18 2018 18:02 Pandemona wrote: Twisted is inactive to say the least but he is one and i think Drone takes the same approach i do, but gives his opinion if asked he is also #Old
Yeah 739 report is what we were going off and that was the post that was the bannable post.
I lurk more than post nowadays, but I still read the football topics . I sometimes have to defend Messi though as the super fanboy that I am.
N1E annoys the shit out of me though. If it was up to me, he'd be gone permanently, such a toxic poster. I'd rather not get involved in the moderating of the forum though, as I am very inactive apart from the football topics.
Speaking of inactive...Brazil trying to out do Argentina here? They are looking so very poor and can't create anything against a stubborn Costa Rica side, but they have also created arguably the best chance of the first half!!
On June 22 2018 21:55 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Just tuned in, Brazil and specially Neymar seem quite displeased with ref Kuipers. Justified or just whining?
By my very biased calculations, Neymar has rolled 1km in 45 mins. I'm choosing the whining option
On June 22 2018 21:55 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Just tuned in, Brazil and specially Neymar seem quite displeased with ref Kuipers. Justified or just whining?
On June 22 2018 21:42 LennX wrote: How I wish for a new ruling. Every time a player rolls around injured, the referee can send him off for a 3 mins medical timeout. :D
I really hope they will use their video technology to fight this cancerous attitude of players, every time someone acts like that it should be an instant yellow card, that would stop players from even trying.
A YC may be too harsh ad hard to judge but if that is what it takes, I'm all for it. We see rugby players fighting to stay on the pitch while clearly injured, footballers should at least have something close to that.
Haha i would even be harsher and give red cards for clear acting honestly, it's a disgrace and shouldn't have any place in the sport. Ofc it should be only used when it is very clear that there was no foul or for things like the player acting like he was hit in the face while that's untrue, obvious acting to bait the referee.
I am a very casual viewer these days and this wc reminds me why that is, football isn't a great viewing experience in 80+% of the time. It needs a patch to nerf defensive play
World cup and euro group stages are usually aweful. Not really a good representation of football in general.
On June 22 2018 22:44 Pandemona wrote: He scored 6 goals and god knows how many assists in qualification. His overall goal record for Brazil is quite nuts at 55 goals in 86 games.
Oh that's pretty sick. Just having a bad tournament then I guess.
On June 22 2018 22:44 Pandemona wrote: He scored 6 goals and god knows how many assists in qualification. His overall goal record for Brazil is quite nuts at 55 goals in 86 games.
Oh that's pretty sick. Just having a bad tournament then I guess.
To be fair, first touch seems rough but didn't see second.
the first one might actually have hurt, but the second one is just ridicolous. I hope with VAR players will notice that they can't get a stupid red card anymore and will stop acting like they got punched really hard for every light touch.
Refs are partly responsible for all this injury acting because of all the standard 4-5 minutes overtime. It is just as I expected, because they give a ton of injury time by default they can not adequately add on time for actual injuries and time wasting. And players know that of course.
Costa Rica just another team where 1 player is significantly better than the rest. The problem is he’s not a field player so he’s not getting them goals any time soon. They might have had a shot if Joel Campbell had panned out
I mean if the powerhouses all go out in the group stages then people will complain that Portugal won the World Cup by only beating the minnows all the way to the final. OK that and the fact that Brasil are our brothers. TAMO JUNTO!
On June 22 2018 22:56 Redox wrote: Is Neymar okl? Crying because he scored the 2nd goal against Costa Rica?
More likely because of the pressure and the fact that we almost put ourselves in a fucking hell of a situation. I agree he dove a lot, but he's clearly playing on a bad ankle. Like him or not, he's better than the performance he showed today and he usually plays well for the NT.
Even with the win i can be much happy about this team. This generation of players is programmed to have the most generic personality possible. Neymar is the worst in this aspect.
On June 22 2018 23:02 Rookie6 wrote: People who don't understand why he is crying have no idea how much pressure the whole country puts on our national team.
Well if I cried involuntarily I would try to walk it off and not show it, not sink down on my knees alone in the middle of the pitch, just to make sure that everyone sees me doing it.
On June 22 2018 23:02 Rookie6 wrote: People who don't understand why he is crying have no idea how much pressure the whole country puts on our national team.
Neymar is in a lot of pressure sure, but to prove he is good so he can make another ad, he doesnt give a shit about Brazil
On June 22 2018 22:57 ShloobeR wrote: why is he crying so hard over beating Costa Rica
Idk I can only explain it myself as acting. But why would you pretend to be crying? I dont get it.
I'm pretty sure there's a ton of pressure on the team to perform, especially someone like Neymar. That 1-7 loss is still fresh after all and Brazil always considered themselves a football nation with a deep history with the sport.
On June 22 2018 23:02 Rookie6 wrote: People who don't understand why he is crying have no idea how much pressure the whole country puts on our national team.
I'd like to see Messi crying but cannot imagine, or do you think he's not the one being pressured as well?
On June 22 2018 23:02 Rookie6 wrote: People who don't understand why he is crying have no idea how much pressure the whole country puts on our national team.
Well if I cried involuntarily I would try to walk it off and not show it, not sink down on my knees alone in the middle of the pitch, just to make sure that everyone sees me doing it.
So the problem is that people react differently under different circustances?
I mean, I get most complains about Neymar, but the guy is showing some emotion for the National team and people still bash him lol
On June 22 2018 23:04 Faruko wrote: He is crying because the world cup is a fucking monster that eats you, that goal is liberating in it's own way
If it was the 1:0 goal I would probably agree but his goal didn't ... really mean anything altho admittedly the goals were very close together so maybe some residual shock
what a relief i thought we would go into the 3rd match with 2 points, that would be so bad im glad with what brazil showed in the 2nd half. 1st half was close, both teams had decent chances but most of brazil shots were not on goal so i wasn't pleased with it.
neymar crying is not anything new. he's always been emotive and although he is 26 he still acts like a spoiled child. After the 1st match people talked a lot about the team and him especifically, about his hair, said that he wasn't focused on the wc etc. So it's only natural to see him crying based on what we've seen from him in the past.
On June 22 2018 23:02 Rookie6 wrote: People who don't understand why he is crying have no idea how much pressure the whole country puts on our national team.
Well if I cried involuntarily I would try to walk it off and not show it, not sink down on my knees alone in the middle of the pitch, just to make sure that everyone sees me doing it.
Asia is obsessed with Brazil 22/32 foreign players playing in the top Korean league this year are Brazilian.
edit: Korean clubs are allowed 3 foreign players from anywhere and +1 from AFC to promote Asian football. I didn't include the +1 for Asian players in that 32 because obviously they can't be Brazilian.
On June 22 2018 23:49 Greg_J wrote: Asia is obsessed with Brazil 22/32 foreign players playing in the top Korean league this year are Brazilian.
edit: Korean clubs are allowed 3 foreign players from anywhere and +1 from AFC to promote Asian football. I didn't include the +1 for Asian players in that 32 because obviously they can't be Brazilian.
Some just above average Brazilian players are getting a LOT of money in China too.
Serbia and Switzerland have a special relation because like half of our team is albanians. Albanian friend told me that his grandmom sent him pictures... Swiss flags everywhere in albania
This is like the 3rd or 4th time this has happened, there is no pen because both defender and attacker are fouling and there is no VAR use because its not a clearly incorrect call.
On June 23 2018 04:31 RvB wrote: How is a clear penalty not var material?
Because these kind of wrestling matches in the penalty area get generally called very rarely. There is a much higher threshold for calling them than for other fouls, which means it is very much up to the ref if he calls that kind of stuff or not. In addition VAR at this cup is only used if the situation is very obvious and the ref obviously overlooked something. In the Bundesliga this would probably have been VAR material since the threshold for using it is lower.
On June 23 2018 04:34 sharkie wrote: Brych is showing all his class again.
Worst ref of Germany and still refereeing international games
Maybe you should rather think for a second why all experts see things differently than you.
What experts?
Are you playing stupid? Maybe the people that voted him world referee 2017, or the ones that nominated him for the 2014/16/18 cups as only German ref. Or all kinds of other people.
He is still elbowing two people to the face, one foul doesn't justify another and it is completely impossible for the referee to see who fouled who first. And VAR cannot interfere because it isn't a clearly incorrect call, and probably inconclusive anyway.
I'm pretty sure every single time VAR is called in this WC the decision will be reversed. VAR has been asked to intervene when there is a clear mistake, so you'd be quite ballsy as a referee to still stick to your decision when another referee with a video tells you that you made a clear mistake.
As a result of this VAR doesn't get called in situations when there's doubt rather than a clear mistake, and that does a disservice to the process cause doubtful situations certainly deserve a second look.
On June 23 2018 05:04 sneirac wrote: He is still elbowing two people to the face, one foul doesn't justify another and it is completely impossible for the referee to see who fouled who first. And VAR cannot interfere because it isn't a clearly incorrect call, and probably inconclusive anyway.
He's not elbowing anyone, you pick the one frame where it looks like he's fouling the opponent and base your argument on that. You're embarassing yourself. What's up with the national ref pride?
On June 23 2018 05:26 Nebuchad wrote: I'm pretty sure every single time VAR is called in this WC the decision will be reversed. VAR has been asked to intervene when there is a clear mistake, so you'd be quite ballsy as a referee to still stick to your decision when another referee with a video tells you that you made a clear mistake.
As a result of this VAR doesn't get called in situations when there's doubt rather than a clear mistake, and that does a disservice to the process cause doubtful situations certainly deserve a second look.
We've already had VAR happening if the referee was not 100% of his decisions to confirm his decision.
On June 23 2018 05:26 Nebuchad wrote: I'm pretty sure every single time VAR is called in this WC the decision will be reversed. VAR has been asked to intervene when there is a clear mistake, so you'd be quite ballsy as a referee to still stick to your decision when another referee with a video tells you that you made a clear mistake.
As a result of this VAR doesn't get called in situations when there's doubt rather than a clear mistake, and that does a disservice to the process cause doubtful situations certainly deserve a second look.
I think you might have some misconceptions about the VAR process. Communication with the ref is intentionally supposed to be initiated by the VAR, not the other way around, and of course only if the VAR has a good reason to reverse a call. So by design, if VAR and ref communicate, it because the situation is highly likely to be reversed. And also, as you say, it is unlikely that the ref disagrees, though not because of ballsiness: He only had one look while the VAR crew had several, so the odds are high the ref will get to the same conclusion after seeing the images.
Doubtful situations do get a second look, but it doesnt not necessarily mean that we will know about it: At various instances, I heard the commentators in german tv say that a certain situation has been checked by the VAR and he found no sufficient reason to change the refs judgement. The commentators get notified by this fact on their screens (I wonder why they dont give this information to viewers directly though.).
On June 23 2018 05:04 sneirac wrote: He is still elbowing two people to the face, one foul doesn't justify another and it is completely impossible for the referee to see who fouled who first. And VAR cannot interfere because it isn't a clearly incorrect call, and probably inconclusive anyway.
He's not elbowing anyone, you pick the one frame where it looks like he's fouling the opponent and base your argument on that. You're embarassing yourself. What's up with the national ref pride?
Yeah no, I have absolutely no problem with calling out Brych or any terrible german referee. I'm gonna repeat what I said in my first post. Both parties are fouling, which is what Brych sees (he actually saw Mitrovic as worse which is probably wrong) and VAR cannot interfere because that is not clearly wrong. And everyone is ignoring that this is how it works, Brych makes a split second call that is not clearly wrong, VAR cannot interfere. It isn't a clear penalty and Fifa isn't cheating becauser they are headquartered there. Just ridiculous.
On June 23 2018 05:26 Nebuchad wrote: I'm pretty sure every single time VAR is called in this WC the decision will be reversed. VAR has been asked to intervene when there is a clear mistake, so you'd be quite ballsy as a referee to still stick to your decision when another referee with a video tells you that you made a clear mistake.
As a result of this VAR doesn't get called in situations when there's doubt rather than a clear mistake, and that does a disservice to the process cause doubtful situations certainly deserve a second look.
I think you might have some misconceptions about the VAR process. Communication with the ref is intentionally supposed to be initiated by the VAR, not the other way around, and of course only if the VAR has a good reason to reverse a call. So by design, if VAR and ref communicate, it because the situation is highly likely to be reversed. And also, as you say, it is unlikely that the ref disagrees, though not because of ballsiness: He only had one look while the VAR crew had several, so the odds are high the ref will get to the same conclusion after seeing the images.
Doubtful situations do get a second look, but it doesnt not necessarily mean that we will know about it: At various instances, I heard the commentators in german tv say that a certain situation has been checked by the VAR and he found no sufficient reason to change the refs judgement. The commentators get notified by this fact on their screens (I wonder why they dont give this information to viewers directly though.).
I misspoke when I said "get called", what I meant was that the VAR can't just think the situation is doubtful, cause if it's just doubt then he's not going to force the hand of the main ref with that. So the VAR has to think that the decision is clearly wrong, and that means a lot of situations are removed from the table.
Xhaka made the Albanian flag symbol with his hands directly in front of the Serbian fans after he scored. His father was imprisoned in Serbia for campaigning for an independent Kosovo.. It was a brilliant goal though.
Final play day outlook: Costa Rica is eliminated. The other 3 though have an interesting last play day. Dynamics wise this group is comparable to group B, but the tiebreakers are a bit easier. And because I always have to mention one historic tidbit, let it be said that Brazil has won more world cups than any other team.
Possible scenarios: Brazil 1st: - they win, Switzerland does not win - they win, Switzerland, Brazil wins tiebreakers* - they draw, Switzerland draws Brazil 2nd: - they win, Switzerland wins, Brazil loses the tiebreaker * - they draw, Switzerland wins - they lose, Switzerland also loses and Brazil wins the tiebreaker * Brazil eliminated: - they lose, Switzerland wins or draws - they lose, Switzerland also loses and Brazil loses the tiebreaker *
Switzerland 1st: - they win, Brazil does not win - they win, Brazil wins, but Switzerland wins the tiebreaker * Switzerland 2nd: - they win, Brazil wins, Brazil wins the tiebreaker * - they draw - they lose, Brazil wins - they lose by 1, Serbia draws and does not score at least 2 more goals than Switzerland (e.g. Switzerland 0-1, Serbia 1-1 has Switzerland advancing) - they lose, Brazil loses, Switzerland wins the tiebreaker * Switzerland eliminated: - they lose by 2 or more and Serbia draws - they lose by 1, Serbia draws but scores at least 2 more goals than Switzerland (e.g. Switzerland 0-1, Serbia 2-2) - they lose, Brazil loses, Brazil wins the tiebreaker *
Serbia 1st: - they win, Switzerland does not win Serbia 2nd: - they win, Switzerland wins - they draw, Switzerland loses by 2 or more - they draw, Switzerland loses by 1 but Serbia scores at least 2 more goals than Switzerland Serbia eliminated: - they lose - they draw, Switzerland does not lose - they draw, Switzerland loses by 1 but Serbia does not score at least 2 more goals than Switzerland
*= Brazil Switzerland tiebreakers: Brazil wins the tiebreaker if: - they have at least the same goal margin as Switzerland in their last games - their goal margin is only 1 worse than the Swiss, but Brazil scores more goals than Switzerland (e.g. Brazil 3-2, Switzerland 2-0) - their goal margin is only 1 worse than the Swiss, they score the same number of goals and have a better FFPR or win the lottery (Currently Brazil has a 1 point better FFPR)
In short, Brazil had the toughest group considering FIFA ranking coefficients, we got cheated in both matches, and we are still the fucking number one? Jesus Christ.
On June 26 2018 09:38 N1E wrote: In short, Brazil had the toughest group considering FIFA ranking coefficients, we got cheated in both matches, and we are still the fucking number one? Jesus Christ.
In short, Brazil were the biggest bunch of whiners in the whole tournament, played like shit, couldn't score before the 91st minute against the weakest team, were diving all over the pitch, weren't in a very tough group, and have fans that keep licking their ass even after all of that.
On June 26 2018 09:38 N1E wrote: In short, Brazil had the toughest group considering FIFA ranking coefficients, we got cheated in both matches, and we are still the fucking number one? Jesus Christ.
Brazil surprised me greatly. I was thinking that these guys were gonna be the cream of the crop after what Pande wrote in his PR and looked forward to their games, only to get extremely disappointed to see them struggle and look like the same team from 2014. Wonder if we'll get another 7-1 if they meet one of the better teams lol.
That's to say that you have an interesting definition of number one there!
On June 26 2018 10:48 aseq wrote: In short, Brazil were the biggest bunch of whiners in the whole tournament, played like shit, couldn't score before the 91st minute against the weakest team, were diving all over the pitch, weren't in a very tough group, and have fans that keep licking their ass even after all of that.
Weakest team who had a suspended player vs Greece in 2014 and Netherlands still could only beat them on penalties? I see, so that's why you couldn't even qualify for a tournament your continent has 14 spots for.
On June 26 2018 10:50 nayumi wrote: hide your children N1E is back!
Good luck in next round kangaroos! OH WAIT!
On June 26 2018 10:58 BigFan wrote: Brazil surprised me greatly. I was thinking that these guys were gonna be the cream of the crop after what Pande wrote in his PR and looked forward to their games, only to get extremely disappointed to see them struggle and look like the same team from 2014. Wonder if we'll get another 7-1 if they meet one of the better teams lol.
One of the better teams... that loses to Mexico, draws with Ghana, draws with Algeria (only to win in ET), and draw with Argentina (a team that gets 3-0 owned against Brazil and Croatia).
Oh yea, the team that won against Sweden after a 1st half penalty not being called against them, plus having scored at the 97th minute (considering 1st half had 47 minutes). So cool.
That's to say that you have an interesting definition of number one there!
Definition of number one: 5 world cups 4 confederation cups 6 olympic medals best player(s) of all time even against FIFA and all
PS: also, who's the only country that played ALL world cups?
On June 26 2018 10:48 aseq wrote: In short, Brazil were the biggest bunch of whiners in the whole tournament, played like shit, couldn't score before the 91st minute against the weakest team, were diving all over the pitch, weren't in a very tough group, and have fans that keep licking their ass even after all of that.
Weakest team who had a suspended player vs Greece in 2014 and Netherlands still could only beat them on penalties? I see, so that's why you couldn't even qualify for a tournament your continent has 14 spots for.
On June 26 2018 10:58 BigFan wrote: Brazil surprised me greatly. I was thinking that these guys were gonna be the cream of the crop after what Pande wrote in his PR and looked forward to their games, only to get extremely disappointed to see them struggle and look like the same team from 2014. Wonder if we'll get another 7-1 if they meet one of the better teams lol.
One of the better teams... that loses to Mexico, draws with Ghana, draws with Algeria (only to win in ET), and draw with Argentina (a team that gets 3-0 owned against Brazil and Croatia).
Oh yea, the team that won against Sweden after a 1st half penalty not being called against them, plus having scored at the 97th minute (considering 1st half had 47 minutes). So cool.
Brazil scored the winner in the 1st minute of stoppage time, and that was the only reason there was more loss time (along with costa rica time wasting pior to the goal), so the referee ended up bitting his own hand in the end when Brazil scored the 2nd.
So saying facts is trolling? You might as well just forbid me from posting in the Sports section then if you don't allow the two sides of a story? Because hating Neymar and etc is allowed here huh? I don't care.
Do you know that FIFA had a brasilian president 24 years from 74-98
perhaps that's why Brazil stayed a long time without winning as much titles, all CBF does internationally is take bribery using our national team, they don't cheat FOR us.
On June 27 2018 03:00 N1E wrote: Brazil scored the winner in the 1st minute of stoppage time, and that was the only reason there was more loss time (along with costa rica time wasting pior to the goal), so the referee ended up bitting his own hand in the end when Brazil scored the 2nd.
So saying facts is trolling? You might as well just forbid me from posting in the Sports section then if you don't allow the two sides of a story? Because hating Neymar and etc is allowed here huh? I don't care.
Do you know that FIFA had a brasilian president 24 years from 74-98
perhaps that's why Brazil stayed a long time without winning as much titles, all CBF does internationally is take bribery using our national team, they don't cheat FOR us.
Brazil has 10 times the population of all other teams in the group combined, and you are telling me you are somewhat proud of brazil has accomplished?
Your self worth is apaprently related to what people in a nation of over 200M is doing, even though they haven't nothing to do with you. What you are doing has no impact on their succes or what they did 30 years ago, and you feel the need to on on internet forums while making conspiracy theories about how judges don't want brazil do win.
Any reasonable intelligent human being would not base their self-worth on whether brazil succees or not. Only people who fail at everything in life would want to convince them selves that brazil barely winning close games somehow makes their life worth living.
Yea? Then why Uruguay has 2 World Cups and 15 Copa Americas? And why USA didn't even qualify?
Same for pessi/penaldo fan boys whilst hating Neymar, I'm just discussing these games, also pointing out that none of them dominate football, FIFA does. And who is talking about life here? Are you trolling me?
Yea? Then why Uruguay has 2 World Cups and 15 Copa Americas? And why USA didn't even qualify?
Yeh with Uruguay being so good it is quite embarrasing that brazil isn't even 10 times better than them.
USA has a lot of other sports that they focus on. Brazil on the other hand = Football. Brazil has by far the highest amount of active football players of any nation in the world.
Imagine if China celebrated and thought that they were the best nation in the world every time they won a table tennis tournament.
So let me ask you, is there anything in life that you consider yourself good at. Anything in life that gives you some type of satisfaction and makes you feel good about yourself - other than watching people that have nothing to do with you win close games against Costa Rica.
Also I'm not making any conspiracy theories. The replays and facts are there for anyone to see. And it's not only against Brazil, just go watch the Club World Cup 2016 final against the japaneses.
If you don't want to discuss and feel european insecurity, then don't keep bringing me up even when I'm censored and can't answer? (which is what happened in several pages here, it's funny because I don't even remember most of your usernames)
Ps: Oh yea, from Denmark... good memories from 2016 Olympics... I see, I see.
Yeh like I base my whole identity on how people I have nothing to do with perform at olympics. Why on earth would I give 2 cent about how some people perform at gymnastics or other sports I give 0 cent about.
You seem imcapable of understanding the point - Perhaps because you are upper nationalistic. IQ and wealth tends to correlate negatively with nationalism.
Hence why David Luiz cryingly said "my people have suffered so much, we wanted to give them something" after they lost vs Germany in the last World Cup.
If Brazil had been a more educated and wealthy nation, chances are the amount of crying brazilians fans do after they lose football games would decline.
If you have a succesful life you don't need your national team to "give you anything" to celebrate.
Thus, the more you whine about brazil, the more you indicate "I am uneducated and poor."
I have everything to do with the brazilian national team.
Really what exactly did you contribute to the success? How did anything you are good at increase the chances of them winning? Did you coach them? Did you practice with them?
You happening to be born in the same border that 200+ other million people are born in shouldn't increase your self-worth in anyway. Any intelligent and rational human being would realize that.
That doesn't imply you cannot root for them, but your comments on this forum indicates that you identify yourself with how brazil performs.
Also I'm not making any conspiracy theories. The replays and facts are there for anyone to see. And it's not only against Brazil, just go watch the Club World Cup 2016 final against the japaneses.
9/11 isn't a conspiracy theory. You can just see how the towers collapsed in an unnatural way. I am not crazy btw but the earth is definitely flat.
IQ and wealth tends to correlate negatively with nationalism.
Sorry to disappoint you mate, but I'm well confident on either of these.
Mentioning that clown David Luiz (thanks fuck he's not in the squad) won't make your points stronger!
By the way, do successful people argue about life in football threads, in Denmark?
Really what exactly did you contribute to the success?
Whose? Ah you are taking my phrase out of context and can't even interpret what I mean? That's too much intelligence for me, I'm just cheering for the nation I'm from, pay taxes for, give audience to/publish in everything I do.
That doesn't imply you cannot root for them, but your comments on this forum indicates that you identify yourself with how brazil performs.
Because when some clown brings up "favela" and other unmoderated ad-hominen when I was discussing football, I defended my country but I kept on the thread. Doesn't take a lot of rationality to understand that this is a Fédération Internationale de Football Association thread, after all.
9/11 isn't a conspiracy theory. You can just see how the towers collapsed in an unnatural way. I am not crazy btw but the earth is definitely flat.
It's easy to defend cheaters when it benefits your country with 14 spots at the World Cup. 9/11 isn't indeed. They having killed Obama, in the other hand, could be. I don't see any tapes of that, unlike in football that it happens week in week out, and many times there was not only obvious evidence with repeated outcome, but even confessions and everything.
I was censored whilst I was writing this, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered to answer. But there's just absolute no reason I see why I'm being censored. What exactly did I do other then answer to the crap, personal, often offtopic, I have to read about me?
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I don't give a rat's a**. My last chance? There's nothing you can do if I make another account and change my tone, not that I would care to be honest, if you didn't keep bringing me up or "stopping the discussion" only after someone else talks and isn't given an answer? Just ban me for 100 years for all I care, I don't even know what I'm being ruled out for. Or I do, what I say hurt you wanna be (more than you are), european fake teams and pessi/penaldo fanboys ego huh?
On June 23 2018 04:49 Shellshock wrote: Shaqiri and Xhaka gonna start a war throwing up Albanian symbols
bang on.
the funniest part was when Lichtsteiner did it too. what in the actual fuck xD
tomorrow it's BRA vs SRB, should be routine win for BRA but you never know... i'll never understand how our neighbors can have such great names in top clubs but always shitty national team.
in that game I was rooting for them cuz of Mario Gavranovic. him and Drmic are croatians playing for switzerland but i couldn't care less about that, i bloody hate him cuz of how obnoxious and slimy he is in our first league (clubs), grade A twat. imagine Adebayor on steroids...
On June 28 2018 03:10 Mensol wrote: cant help but feel like Brazil wouldve been much dangerious with firmino and douglas costa instead willian/gabriel jesus.
Douglas costa is injured, he would start otherwise, and Jesus has credit because he scored a lot in qualifications.
On June 28 2018 04:29 Faruko wrote: these 2 games have been really boring lol
Btw where's Chile? I remember you guys had a strong team back in 2014?
For the most part it went past its prime. And was a victim of some of the final day madness in qualifying. Additionally the SA qualification is actually quite strong . Which can you see from the fact that most SA teams are quite comfortable even if at times unconvincing in the Grp stage and the ones that werent also found a way to make it through.
brazil had a 10min breakdown where serbia could have scored once or twice. before and after that we were decent imo. I don't like our attack though, they players are not working well together.