The last 16 served up some huge surprises with Spain, Portugal & Argentina joining Germany back home. Now we have 8 teams left and we are getting closer to crowning a World Champion!
Uruguay impressed as they sent Ronaldo's Portugal packing in the last 16. They were dogged defensively and impressive on counters with Suarez and Cavani's link up play exquisite. The first goal they scored optimised this with Suarez getting the ball outwide and sending in a beautiful pin point cross to Cavani to score at the back post. They will need more of this vs France though and Cavani is a major doubt after limping off vs Portugal in the second half, they need him fit desperately. France however got here by beating Argentina in a thrilling game which ended 4-3 and had some sensational goals in it. Mbappe was the star of the show for France as he finally showed the world why he was sold to PSG for €150million! He will need to add to this against Uruguay who are so solid defensively and give you no space or time on the ball, if they can get an early goal here they should get through, but the longer this game goes at 0-0 the more you have to fancy Uruguay.
Prediction: Uruguay 0-1 France
Friday, Jul 06 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
The most exciting tie of the round on paper at least with Brazil taking on Belgium. Brazil got here after cruising past Mexico in the last 16 with Neymar and co looking a real threat going forward. They did rely on Coutinho a lot to get here but since matchday 3 Brazil seemed to have changed and are finally playing that Joga Bonita football I was telling you about when they come forward with all of the players chipping in. If this is the case again come Friday night we should have a cracker on our hands. They should find a lot of space vs this Belgian side who looked at 6s and 7s at one point vs Japan but it will come down to taking the chances they get to put pressure on the Belgians. Belgium though will have their own ideas of how to hurt the Brazilian back line and maybe focus around set pieces where they also do not look that good at defending. Hazard will need to be on fine form and Lukaku will again need to be strong and hold up the ball to get everyone playing around him. I also think Martinez should start Fellaini from the get go as well just because of the physicality he adds to the game and really puts pressure on sides by his presence alone. With no Casemiro for Brazil due to suspension the wild hot head of Fernandinho comes into the side and well Fellaini will wind him up all game long and maybe we will see a red card change this game! Still let’s hopefully have football win this game and get a great attacking game between two sides who are great going forward. Belgium cannot go 2-0 down to this side though!
Prediction: Brazil 3-2 Belgium
Saturday, Jul 07 2:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
An unlikely quarter final of Sweden vs England kicks off the lower bracket Saturday matches. Sweden got here by topping their group remember which had Germany, South Korea & Mexico involved in it. They didn’t play amazing stuff vs Switzerland and the game quality was a bit poor at times but maybe nerves and the quality of opponent they faced was the reason behind it. Both those teams involved definitely play better when against the bigger nations per se and being the underdog. So when Sweden step out onto the pitch vs England they will make sure it is a tough close game whilst keeping a very defensive shape and getting the direct balls up to Berg and Toivonen to play off of them to cause the back 3/5 of England pressure which also should stop them getting their wingbacks forward. England however will come into this game full of confidence after playing a tough game vs Colombia which resulted in them FINALLY winning a penalty shootout in a major tournament which is crazy when you think about it! Buoyed by that they will come into this Sweden game with the same style of playing it out from the back and getting runners all over the pitch from midfield to get through the tough Swedish defense and try and cause as much havoc as possible. Set pieces will be key for England as they look to improve on their goal scoring so far. Can Sweden stop the hurricane?
Prediction: Sweden 0-1 England
Saturday, Jul 07 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Tournament hosts Russia find themselves in an unlikely quarterfinal after dispatching tournament favourites Spain on penalties in the last 16! The tournament of upsets went into the stratosphere after Russia overcame huge odds to beat Spain in Moscow. They defended very deep in the second half and held on, but in the first half they gave just as good as they got and created a few chances. No one expected that after the spanking they had from Uruguay in the final group game but they are through and here to take on a Croatian side that disappointed many in there game vs Denmark. With all the talent on display in their midfield they did not get hold of the ball at all and Denmark were getting at them and had all the time and space to play. They arguably should have won it in the last few minutes though when Rebic rounded the keeper to be bought down by the Danish defender to stop him scoring an open goal for Modric to then miss the resulting penalty kick. However Modric would make up for that miss by scoring a penalty in the shoot out to take them through. This game again should favour Croatia quite substantially but this is a tournament of upsets and Russia urged on by their home crowd….could they do it again?
Prediction: Russia 1-2 Croatia
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As a Swede, I can't see us winning vs England. On the other hand I couldn't see us knocking out the Netherlands and Italy in the qualifiers, nor Germany and Mexico in the group stage so...
I can't shake this feeling that some day soon, somone will call our bluff and we'll fall embarrassingly flat.
On July 04 2018 19:38 Longshank wrote: As a Swede, I can't see us winning vs England. On the other hand I couldn't see us knocking out the Netherlands and Italy in the qualifiers, nor Germany and Mexico in the group stage so...
I can't shake this feeling that some day soon, somone will call our bluff and we'll fall embarrassingly flat.
As a neutral viewer I think you have shown more in these games than England did and I expect Sweden to win.
France should be back to its normal boring state, Argentina was a nice break from our dull games but they even managed to make Croatia shine. Uruguay will let us have the ball, I'm afraid of penalties.
Brazil Belgium should be the good game. Meunier and Carrasco are terrible, so is Fagner while the forwards of both teams are fantastic.
Russia Croatia and Sweden England will be ugly. None of those teams should be in the top8, let alone the top4 or the final and yet we could witness the biggest world cup hold up ever.
You can subscribe to threads though and un subscribe too. I have unsubscribed to all my group threads etc and the last 16 one too. So i think its ok to have it this way, plus a new OP comes with pretty banners and previews :3
On July 04 2018 22:01 Dante08 wrote: Would it be better just to have 1 thread for the knockout stage? So we don't have to keep bookmarking new threads.
That thread would get huge and we would likely have to skip out on pandes hilariously bad previews/predictions or have them get lost somewhere on page 67, just bookmark the subforum instead.
Also so Pande doesn't forget just who he has to thank for this magnificent engerland run
Brazil won't probably lose. But I want them to lose. Although I think that any other team except for Brazil won't make interesting finals.
France will probably advance if Cavani won't start. If he starts, I'm gonna bet on Uruguay tho.
England Sweden is a tough bet, this can go either way. Screw England anyway :D
Croatia against Russia is the matchup in which I have no idea on who to bet on. Both teams can do good against weaker teams but they struggle against powerhouses. Imma go with Russia, although I cheer for Hrvatska brothers.
Brazil and Belgium are the two teams who shot the most during this world cup, so I hope it´s an entertaining game. I´m becoming cautiously optimistic as the tournament goes, since our team is playing better and our defense is great, probably one of the strongest defenses I have ever seen by Brazil.
Can´t wait for friday and may the best teams win!
And by the way, the only chance to have a repeat of a final is Brazil vs Sweden. Any other combination would be new, which is pretty cool.
On July 05 2018 02:04 Acrofales wrote: Brazil vs Sweden is a repeat? Thought that was a semis.
Anyway, I'll cheer for that repeat! Teams I like best on either side of the bracket!
World Cup finals in 1958.
Brazil faced Sweden in the 1994 semi-finals too. Actually, a fun fact is that Brazil vs Sweden is tied as the most meetings between two teams in World Cup history with 7 meetings. Other teams who faced each other 7 times are Germany vs Argentina and Germany vs Serbia/Yugoslavia.
On July 05 2018 01:10 ivancype wrote: When Brazil wins WC, Team Liquid will be more like Team Dead Sea
I dont see why. I am not particularly interested in Brazil winning but if they do win I wont mind if they play aswell as they have done it will be deserved.
I think most people who dislike Brazil winning have more reason to be vocal about it thats all. If they win one is going to lose much sleep. And I personally would be happy for them.
On \ Brazil Belgium specifically
I really hope Dembele plays instead of Witsel. Witsel is an average player who excels at pretty much nothing. And because of the 3-4-3 Martinez is playing KDB is playing way to deep because he has to cover for the wingbacks pushing up so much. He needs to be in like a CAM or behind the striker type role or fuck if you are playing a 3-4-3 then play Dembele who has more power play and mobility in him so that he can do more dirty work (and hes skilled enough to release the ball into space aswell) and let KDB of a leash a bit.
I have hardly seen him touch the ball in the final third in the tournament and its really grating me now. You have the best all round player from the PL and you make him play like fucking Dunga.
if I am brazil and KDB is playing holding midfielder im like.. fuck yeah ez game.
On July 05 2018 01:10 ivancype wrote: When Brazil wins WC, Team Liquid will be more like Team Dead Sea
I dont see why. I am not particularly interested in Brazil winning but if they do win I wont mind if they play aswell as they have done it will be deserved.
I think most people who dislike Brazil winning have more reason to be vocal about it thats all. If they win one is going to lose much sleep. And I personally would be happy for them.
On \ Brazil Belgium specifically
I really hope Dembele plays instead of Witsel. Witsel is an average player who excels at pretty much nothing. And because of the 3-4-3 Martinez is playing KDB is playing way to deep because he has to cover for the wingbacks pushing up so much. He needs to be in like a CAM or behind the striker type role or fuck if you are playing a 3-4-3 then play Dembele who has more power play and mobility in him so that he can do more dirty work (and hes skilled enough to release the ball into space aswell) and let KDB of a leash a bit.
I have hardly seen him touch the ball in the final third in the tournament and its really grating me now. You have the best all round player from the PL and you make him play like fucking Dunga.
if I am brazil and KDB is playing holding midfielder im like.. fuck yeah ez game.
heh it's funny that I had the exact same conversation re Dembele with another mate who is a Spurs fan. His fanboyism aside, I do agree that Dembele would provide so much more for Belgium's midfield like how he's done it at Spurs when he provides Ali and Erikssen the freedom to make plays.
Witsel chose to pursue his professional football career in Russia. That alone should be enough to not even make the national team, let alone the first lineup.
upper side, i hope Belgium wins. i think Brasil is doing well but they're held to ridiculously high standards, and i dont think they're following through yet. France should make finals probably...
lower side, i'm excited about England finally not fucking it up, i did call them choke kings for a reason xD as for us, im pretty confident vs Russia even tho Croatia usually plays better vs favored teams, contrary to what 739 said.
On July 04 2018 21:47 nojok wrote: France should be back to its normal boring state, Argentina was a nice break from our dull games but they even managed to make Croatia shine. Uruguay will let us have the ball, I'm afraid of penalties.
Brazil Belgium should be the good game. Meunier and Carrasco are terrible, so is Fagner while the forwards of both teams are fantastic.
Russia Croatia and Sweden England will be ugly. None of those teams should be in the top8, let alone the top4 or the final and yet we could witness the biggest world cup hold up ever.
Russia Croatia and Sweden England will be ugly. None of those teams should be in the top8, let alone the top4 or the final and yet we could witness the biggest world cup hold up ever.
what a twat :')
I'm taunting while I can, France will be on the other side of the stick after Uruguay France.
Dembele is average at best for our national team, not sure why, he just never performs. I'd much rather have Witsel playing in that DM spot. The fact that Debruyne also has to play DM is indeed annoying, but replacing Witsel by Dembele doesn't fix that issue.
Still hoping for the 4-2-1-3 I suggested in the other thread, but Martinez has all but confirmed that it'll be the same 3-4-3 again. I think that's us out then.
State sponsored doping is a thing in Russia, but the world cup is heavily testing players so it will come out sooner rather than later if they actually are. I cannot see them stupid enough to do this again on the back of the Olympic scandal personally though lol.
On July 05 2018 20:43 Laurens wrote: Dembele is average at best for our national team, not sure why, he just never performs. I'd much rather have Witsel playing in that DM spot. The fact that Debruyne also has to play DM is indeed annoying, but replacing Witsel by Dembele doesn't fix that issue.
Still hoping for the 4-2-1-3 I suggested in the other thread, but Martinez has all but confirmed that it'll be the same 3-4-3 again. I think that's us out then.
Didn't watch much Dembele playing international football but he was pretty much Xabi Alonso level at Spurs though ...
On July 05 2018 20:43 Laurens wrote: Dembele is average at best for our national team, not sure why, he just never performs. I'd much rather have Witsel playing in that DM spot. The fact that Debruyne also has to play DM is indeed annoying, but replacing Witsel by Dembele doesn't fix that issue.
Still hoping for the 4-2-1-3 I suggested in the other thread, but Martinez has all but confirmed that it'll be the same 3-4-3 again. I think that's us out then.
Didn't watch much Dembele playing international football but he was pretty much Xabi Alonso level at Spurs though ...
Granted it was B teams in a dead rubber but he was by some measure the best player on the pitch in the England Belgium tie.
Didnt take Naingo either who would have actually been literally a perfect fit but Martinez wants to play with width and sit his midfielders deeper so whatever, if it doesnt work the blame will fall squarely on him even if he ends up going to his Fellaini plan B and it works. (which against teams like Brazil I sincerely doubt)
On July 05 2018 09:16 nayumi wrote: France 0-1 Uruguay (in extra time) Brazil 1-2 Belgium Croatia 0-0 Russia (Russia to win on shoot-out) England 1-0 Sweden (Lingaard's extra time goal)
Think you are too pessimistic
France 2-0 Uruguay Brazil 3-4 Belgium Croatia 2-1 Russia England 0-0 Sweden (England wins on penalties,,,,AGAIN!)
On July 06 2018 23:58 -Archangel- wrote: I expected more from this match..
Isn’t it pretty much in line with how they’ve both played this tournament with the exception of France in the 2nd half against a weak Argentina midfield and defense?
The german commentator just suggested Suarez still owes something to his uruguayan teammates. Because he missed the 2010 semifinal due to the handball against ghana....
On July 07 2018 00:06 Mafe wrote: The german commentator just suggested Suarez still owes something to his uruguayan teammates. Because he missed the 2010 semifinal due to the handball against ghana....
Trying to compete with American commentators I see.
On July 07 2018 00:06 Mafe wrote: The german commentator just suggested Suarez still owes something to his uruguayan teammates. Because he missed the 2010 semifinal due to the handball against ghana....
Yeah he is in Turkey as well Mensoljwa tells me all about him xD
We were both perplexed as to why Portugal did not shoot from the edge of the box vs them either, they have Quaresma, Ronaldo etc yet they choose to try play their way through them, very confusing.
Oh well....think people should go stick a $£€ 5 bet on Suarez to be sent off xD
What? The player from Uruguay held his hand out and Mbappe ran in it to play act like a bitch.
Ran into it? that was surely on purpose by by the player from Uruguay.
Yes ran into it. Of course taht was on purpose from Godin(?), and still Mbappe ran into a hand that was out for 3 seconds well in his path and then threw himself to the ground as if he had been flat out punched in the stomach. It's ridiculous diving and yellow for both is absolutely correct, probably even harsh on uruguay.
Some of ref appointments this world cup really are really not smart: German ref for switzerland match. USA ref for england match Senegal ref for japan match who just eliminated senegal Argentina ref for uruguay match (though uruguay vs argentina might be not friendly on the football field) I'm not suggesting the refs did anything wrong, but FIFA just created situations where these refs will inevitbaly get blamed even more than usual if there are some situations which could go either way.
Eh, no Mbappe magic in this match. He had two half successful dribblings and that was it. At least Neymar contributes to his team before he decides to roll on the floor for a bit..
On July 07 2018 00:46 -Archangel- wrote: Eh, no Mbappe magic in this match. He had two half successful dribblings and that was it.
Hardly any magic from France tbh. Not sure if they are just this laidback or if Uruguay defense is that good but they are not doing much. 1 Freekick goal and 1 random keeper error, that's it.
On July 07 2018 00:46 -Archangel- wrote: Eh, no Mbappe magic in this match. He had two half successful dribblings and that was it.
Hardly any magic from France tbh. Not sure if they are just this laidback or if Uruguay defense is that good but they are not doing much. 1 Freekick goal and 1 random keeper error, that's it.
Only magic is Ngolo Kante :D
I have to agree about Kante, he is small but interesting player.
On July 07 2018 00:46 -Archangel- wrote: Eh, no Mbappe magic in this match. He had two half successful dribblings and that was it.
Hardly any magic from France tbh. Not sure if they are just this laidback or if Uruguay defense is that good but they are not doing much. 1 Freekick goal and 1 random keeper error, that's it.
Only magic is Ngolo Kante :D
To be honest, magic vs Uruguay is hard, they are a fierce team, great defense overall and they don't leave that much space for players like Mbappe
of course that shows when it comes to attacking or passing the ball, they were pretty meh in that regard.
they won 4 games, and lost this one, all of those matches were pretty much a war
On July 07 2018 00:46 Pandemona wrote: The wording people use is the issue.
Did Mbappe dive, no he didn't he was "struck", did he overplay the situation yes for sure.
Henderson got double headbutted, did he go down to overplay the situation yes. Was he hit, yes. Thus not a dive.
Dive = no contact
Over exagerating contact = something else xd
I don't mind people using different terminology, but for me diving = intentionally dropping to the ground, as opposed to dropping to the ground due to inertia from the contact
On July 07 2018 00:46 Pandemona wrote: The wording people use is the issue.
Did Mbappe dive, no he didn't he was "struck", did he overplay the situation yes for sure.
Henderson got double headbutted, did he go down to overplay the situation yes. Was he hit, yes. Thus not a dive.
Dive = no contact
Over exagerating contact = something else xd
I don't mind people using different terminology, but for me diving = intentionally dropping to the ground, as opposed to dropping to the ground due to inertia from the contact
Was he "struck" tho? Or did he just not look properly and bump into him? And then dive to the ground Neymar style?
Sad game. Uruguay just didn't produce anything. I understand having a defensive football philosophy, but at one point you're behind and you have to score, you'd better have a plan B... It's like they didn't even really try. I didn't see any fire, any pressure, nothing. Difficult to judge France's performance after that, especially since they scored on a free kick and a goalie blunder.
On July 07 2018 00:46 Pandemona wrote: The wording people use is the issue.
Did Mbappe dive, no he didn't he was "struck", did he overplay the situation yes for sure.
Henderson got double headbutted, did he go down to overplay the situation yes. Was he hit, yes. Thus not a dive.
Dive = no contact
Over exagerating contact = something else xd
I don't mind people using different terminology, but for me diving = intentionally dropping to the ground, as opposed to dropping to the ground due to inertia from the contact
Was he "struck" tho? Or did he just not look properly and bump into him? And then dive to the ground Neymar style?
It was a dirty dive, there was a very soft contact but it definitely was a dive. I don't want French players doing this.
On July 07 2018 00:46 Pandemona wrote: The wording people use is the issue.
Did Mbappe dive, no he didn't he was "struck", did he overplay the situation yes for sure.
Henderson got double headbutted, did he go down to overplay the situation yes. Was he hit, yes. Thus not a dive.
Dive = no contact
Over exagerating contact = something else xd
I don't mind people using different terminology, but for me diving = intentionally dropping to the ground, as opposed to dropping to the ground due to inertia from the contact
Was he "struck" tho? Or did he just not look properly and bump into him? And then dive to the ground Neymar style?
Both? There's no reason to stick your arm out like that, I never see it done with no opponent around unless you're gesturing to someone which isn't the case here. And Mbappe goes into play dead mode as soon as he's lightly touched.
On July 07 2018 01:10 nojok wrote: Can we all agree having Kanté on your team is not cheating? I don't want denial after we've won.
He is such a dream player to have. I doubt the coach needs to give him much instructions, just play him and let him do his thing,
You give instructions to players that have some kind of limitations within their ability to perform their role. Kante can do everything you would dream off in a DM and on top of that he can even pass and carry.
As a Chelsea fan though, my opinion of kante is that he can't boss the midfield alone. He need competent partners. With Fab, the midfield gets overrun. With baka, we can't control the midfield because he is sloppy.
If I'm looking for a lone midfield destroyer to pair with lightweights like iniesta, Fab or Silva, I would prefer someone imposing like casemiro. If I have box to box players in cm, then kante is the dream.
On July 07 2018 02:02 DucK- wrote: As a Chelsea fan though, my opinion of kante is that he can't boss the midfield alone. He need competent partners. With Fab, the midfield gets overrun. With baka, we can't control the midfield because he is sloppy.
If I'm looking for a lone midfield destroyer to pair with lightweights like iniesta, Fab or Silva, I would prefer someone imposing like casemiro. If I have box to box players in cm, then kante is the dream.
Pogba does the box to box more or less, he is the one moving the ball along Griezzman, Kante is just there to run and recover the ball
Why Brazil play 2 holding midfielder type players when they don't care about defending is beyond me. Get Fernandinho off and bring Augusto on or something instead.
Belgium playing great. We were unlucky with that 1st goal but I'm not that disappointed with how the team is playing. Just think we were not competent enough to score with the chances we created. Sigh hope we can score soon and put some pressure on belgium else we are out.
KDB is doing a great job in front and Fellaini is also very good in the midfield. Chadli is not so good but he's still a massive improvement over Carrasco. Meunier knows Neymar very well and it's very apparent in this game.
I called it would be the entertaining quarter game.
On July 07 2018 03:49 Raidern wrote: Belgium playing great. We were unlucky with that 1st goal but I'm not that disappointed with how the team is playing. Just think we were not competent enough to score with the chances we created. Sigh hope we can score soon and put some pressure on belgium else we are out.
Brazil set pieces are better than I expected. Their confidence seems to be shot after 0-2 down and there seems to be a breakdown in the formation. They seem to be shooting on sight or trying to dribble through a sea of defenders.
Tite got lots of things to prep during the HT talk. He's the best coach you have in ages.
I am sorry but I still dont rate Belgium highly. They are leading 2-0 only because brazil conceded an own goal and are very lucky Brazilians suck at scoring goals
On July 07 2018 04:08 sharkie wrote: I am sorry but I still dont rate Belgium highly. They are leading 2-0 only because brazil conceded an own goal and are very lucky Brazilians suck at scoring goals
We're missing silly passes because of nerves. Unless we luck into a goal there's no way we're coming back. The team is pretty much mentally defeated already.
On July 07 2018 04:24 dmnum wrote: We're missing silly passes because of nerves. Unless we luck into a goal there's no way we're coming back. The team is pretty much mentally defeated already.
The truth is Belgium has played better. That's not to say Brazil haven't been playing good, they have. But Belgium is still very danagerous. I wouldn't be surprised if they scored a third.
On July 07 2018 04:24 dmnum wrote: We're missing silly passes because of nerves. Unless we luck into a goal there's no way we're coming back. The team is pretty much mentally defeated already.
On July 07 2018 04:26 [Phantom] wrote: The truth is Belgium has played better. That's not to say Brazil haven't been playing good, they have. But Belgium is still very danagerous. I wouldn't be surprised if they scored a third.
Its not difficult to score a third goal when you are leading 2-0... Even Japan had good chances to score a third goal vs Belgium. Its how the game works
On July 07 2018 04:26 [Phantom] wrote: The truth is Belgium has played better. That's not to say Brazil haven't been playing good, they have. But Belgium is still very danagerous. I wouldn't be surprised if they scored a third.
Its not difficult to score a third goal when you are leading 2-0... Even Japan had good chances to score a third goal vs Belgium. Its how the game works
What I mean is that Brazil doesn't seem even close to make a comeback.
On July 07 2018 04:26 [Phantom] wrote: The truth is Belgium has played better. That's not to say Brazil haven't been playing good, they have. But Belgium is still very danagerous. I wouldn't be surprised if they scored a third.
Its not difficult to score a third goal when you are leading 2-0... Even Japan had good chances to score a third goal vs Belgium. Its how the game works
What I mean is that Brazil doesn't seem even close to make a comeback.
They had enough chances to score. They had a legit penalty turned down.
Belgium has been lucky vs Japan and lucky vs Brazil. Obviously they are a good team but luck has been very much ontheir side in this tournament so far
On July 07 2018 04:26 [Phantom] wrote: The truth is Belgium has played better. That's not to say Brazil haven't been playing good, they have. But Belgium is still very danagerous. I wouldn't be surprised if they scored a third.
Its not difficult to score a third goal when you are leading 2-0... Even Japan had good chances to score a third goal vs Belgium. Its how the game works
What I mean is that Brazil doesn't seem even close to make a comeback.
Courtois made somr sick save... The penalty some close misses... I dont agree
I mean I'm not complaining, it makes the game more exciting, but you're one goal up with 10mins left against Brazil and you leave that kind of massive space in your back line?
On July 07 2018 04:38 sharkie wrote: Belgium should be ashamed of how they are playing. Japan played with bigger balls vs them than they are doing this match
we get your bias towards Belgium, but you don't need to constantly slam the team that beat your team ;;
On July 07 2018 04:38 sharkie wrote: Belgium should be ashamed of how they are playing. Japan played with bigger balls vs them than they are doing this match
What are you on about, they're playing way more high up than Japan
On July 07 2018 04:55 RvB wrote: Gratz to Belgium. Too bad the referee still played such a role though when he didn't give the penalty. vAR should prevent this.
It wasn't a penalty
On July 07 2018 04:56 LegalLord wrote: Was watching on Mexican TV. They don’t look too happy about today.
I'm from Mexico and I'm really happy, cry baby teams shouldnt get far.
On July 07 2018 04:51 Rebs wrote: Hazard MOM for me today.
For me, it’s Meunier. Less visible, but took Neymar out of the match for the first 70 minutes and added to the attack as well. They’ll miss him vs France. Hazard was good as well, and Courtois.
On July 07 2018 04:54 Pandemona wrote: We have fkn VAR and we still end a game with dubious decisions jesus christ lol
what dubious decision ?
Two suspicious penalties
One clear Penalty imo. The one on Neymar wasn't anything.
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We need to start phasing out our defense now. They're all going to be too old come 2022, we need to bring in new blood asap. I also hope Neymar grows up by then, makes it really hard to feel bad for him when he's such a prick.
He nutmegged Vertonghan and was going to get the ball and then he gets cleaned up. Ball was in his control before the nutmeg then he went to get it and got "cleaned up"
Is how i see it anyway. Even if it isn't that is an awful rule because you would never know if Jesus gets the ball again if he wasn't brought down right.
On July 07 2018 04:59 Pandemona wrote: He nutmegged Vertonghan and was going to get the ball and then he gets cleaned up. Ball was in his control before the nutmeg then he went to get it and got "cleaned up"
Is how i see it anyway. Even if it isn't that is an awful rule because you would never know if Jesus gets the ball again if he wasn't brought down right.
I saw the VAR kept pausing it at the moment of contact and the ball was just about to go out of play. Maybe that's why they decided no pen. It was clear contact, I think they might just have interpreted it that way.
On July 07 2018 04:59 uthgard wrote: as a non-hater (shockingly rare nowadays) I find this somewhat unsatisfying. 1 clear penalty not called and a lot of unlucky stuff for Brazil
credit to Belgium though they played really well especially on first half. Courtois and Hazard MOM for me
On July 07 2018 04:59 Pandemona wrote: He nutmegged Vertonghan and was going to get the ball and then he gets cleaned up. Ball was in his control before the nutmeg then he went to get it and got "cleaned up"
Is how i see it anyway. Even if it isn't that is an awful rule because you would never know if Jesus gets the ball again if he wasn't brought down right.
I saw the VAR kept pausing it at the moment of contact and the ball was just about to go out of play. Maybe that's why they decided no pen. It was clear contact, I think they might just have interpreted it that way.
Which if it is the rule is a very bad one imo and should be changed. Did not care who won, Belgium and Brazil both attacked well but pretty poor defensively so i am not scared of either :3
But to have a huge talking point after a game like that is awful.
Brazil really picked up in the second half of the second half. I think they could've equalized this, but they kept throwing away chance after chance, especially with Belgium defense looking exhausted as hell.
best game so far in terms of performance by both teams. belgium a little lucky to get the lead, but after getting the 1-0 lead, they played a fantastic game. KDB-hazard-lukaku trio fully blossoming.
greatly enjoyed this game. and 6 remaining teams are all european.
this might be the best World Cup i've ever seen, maybe on par with 98 which may hold a special place in my heart because i was old enough to actually watch it (i went to USA 94 but i was too litttle, i do remember a few matches but never really realized i was there)
On July 07 2018 05:00 BigFan wrote: Brazil really picked up in the second half of the second half. I think they could've equalized this, but they kept throwing away chance after chance, especially with Belgium defense looking exhausted as hell.
Yeah, we have no one but ourselves to blame. Could've scored tons but kept missing a lot of shots. Also those 2 meter pass misses...
this might be the best World Cup i've ever seen, maybe on par with 98 which may hold a special place in my heart because i was old enough to actually watch it (i went to USA 94 but i was too litttle, i do remember a few matches but never really realized i was there)
I am 100% with what you said except the USA 94 part
On July 07 2018 04:59 Pandemona wrote: He nutmegged Vertonghan and was going to get the ball and then he gets cleaned up. Ball was in his control before the nutmeg then he went to get it and got "cleaned up"
Is how i see it anyway. Even if it isn't that is an awful rule because you would never know if Jesus gets the ball again if he wasn't brought down right.
I saw the VAR kept pausing it at the moment of contact and the ball was just about to go out of play. Maybe that's why they decided no pen. It was clear contact, I think they might just have interpreted it that way.
It wasn't a penalty but still closer to a penalty than Kane's dive against Colombia.
On July 07 2018 04:59 uthgard wrote: as a non-hater (shockingly rare nowadays) I find this somewhat unsatisfying. 1 clear penalty not called and a lot of unlucky stuff for Brazil
credit to Belgium though they played really well especially on first half. Courtois and Hazard MOM for me
On July 07 2018 04:59 Pandemona wrote: He nutmegged Vertonghan and was going to get the ball and then he gets cleaned up. Ball was in his control before the nutmeg then he went to get it and got "cleaned up"
Is how i see it anyway. Even if it isn't that is an awful rule because you would never know if Jesus gets the ball again if he wasn't brought down right.
I saw the VAR kept pausing it at the moment of contact and the ball was just about to go out of play. Maybe that's why they decided no pen. It was clear contact, I think they might just have interpreted it that way.
Which if it is the rule is a very bad one imo and should be changed. Did not care who won, Belgium and Brazil both attacked well but pretty poor defensively so i am not scared of either :3
But to have a huge talking point after a game like that is awful.
What is wrong with the rule ? If the ball is out of play - no penalty. Maybe he should book him, but no foul can be awarded.
On July 07 2018 04:59 Pandemona wrote: He nutmegged Vertonghan and was going to get the ball and then he gets cleaned up. Ball was in his control before the nutmeg then he went to get it and got "cleaned up"
Is how i see it anyway. Even if it isn't that is an awful rule because you would never know if Jesus gets the ball again if he wasn't brought down right.
I saw the VAR kept pausing it at the moment of contact and the ball was just about to go out of play. Maybe that's why they decided no pen. It was clear contact, I think they might just have interpreted it that way.
It wasn't a penalty but still closer to a penalty than Kane's dive against Colombia.
Great game by both teams in my opinion, Belgium has some really good and classy players.
I think we were very unlucky today with an own goal, so many missed chances and some decisions by the referee that could have gone the other way. But honestly Belgium faced what we are feeling now in 2002. So we can't complain too much.
Contrats, Belgium, I will be cheering for you to win this.
On July 07 2018 04:59 uthgard wrote: as a non-hater (shockingly rare nowadays) I find this somewhat unsatisfying. 1 clear penalty not called and a lot of unlucky stuff for Brazil
credit to Belgium though they played really well especially on first half. Courtois and Hazard MOM for me
You mean Chelsea man of the match :3
On July 07 2018 05:00 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 07 2018 04:59 Pandemona wrote: He nutmegged Vertonghan and was going to get the ball and then he gets cleaned up. Ball was in his control before the nutmeg then he went to get it and got "cleaned up"
Is how i see it anyway. Even if it isn't that is an awful rule because you would never know if Jesus gets the ball again if he wasn't brought down right.
I saw the VAR kept pausing it at the moment of contact and the ball was just about to go out of play. Maybe that's why they decided no pen. It was clear contact, I think they might just have interpreted it that way.
Which if it is the rule is a very bad one imo and should be changed. Did not care who won, Belgium and Brazil both attacked well but pretty poor defensively so i am not scared of either :3
But to have a huge talking point after a game like that is awful.
What is wrong with the rule ? If the ball is out of play - no penalty. Maybe he should book him, but no foul can be awarded.
On July 07 2018 04:59 Pandemona wrote: He nutmegged Vertonghan and was going to get the ball and then he gets cleaned up. Ball was in his control before the nutmeg then he went to get it and got "cleaned up"
Is how i see it anyway. Even if it isn't that is an awful rule because you would never know if Jesus gets the ball again if he wasn't brought down right.
I saw the VAR kept pausing it at the moment of contact and the ball was just about to go out of play. Maybe that's why they decided no pen. It was clear contact, I think they might just have interpreted it that way.
It wasn't a penalty but still closer to a penalty than Kane's dive against Colombia.
Haha nice one.
Ball goes out of play because he gets fouled and has no way to retrieve said ball that is my point. He has no chance to get it when he has been tackled. Does he get the ball if Kompany isn't there....
On July 07 2018 05:00 BigFan wrote: Brazil really picked up in the second half of the second half. I think they could've equalized this, but they kept throwing away chance after chance, especially with Belgium defense looking exhausted as hell.
Yeah, we have no one but ourselves to blame. Could've scored tons but kept missing a lot of shots. Also those 2 meter pass misses...
On July 07 2018 04:59 uthgard wrote: as a non-hater (shockingly rare nowadays) I find this somewhat unsatisfying. 1 clear penalty not called and a lot of unlucky stuff for Brazil
credit to Belgium though they played really well especially on first half. Courtois and Hazard MOM for me
You mean Chelsea man of the match :3
On July 07 2018 05:00 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 07 2018 04:59 Pandemona wrote: He nutmegged Vertonghan and was going to get the ball and then he gets cleaned up. Ball was in his control before the nutmeg then he went to get it and got "cleaned up"
Is how i see it anyway. Even if it isn't that is an awful rule because you would never know if Jesus gets the ball again if he wasn't brought down right.
I saw the VAR kept pausing it at the moment of contact and the ball was just about to go out of play. Maybe that's why they decided no pen. It was clear contact, I think they might just have interpreted it that way.
Which if it is the rule is a very bad one imo and should be changed. Did not care who won, Belgium and Brazil both attacked well but pretty poor defensively so i am not scared of either :3
But to have a huge talking point after a game like that is awful.
What is wrong with the rule ? If the ball is out of play - no penalty. Maybe he should book him, but no foul can be awarded.
On July 07 2018 05:04 nojok wrote:
On July 07 2018 05:00 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 07 2018 04:59 Pandemona wrote: He nutmegged Vertonghan and was going to get the ball and then he gets cleaned up. Ball was in his control before the nutmeg then he went to get it and got "cleaned up"
Is how i see it anyway. Even if it isn't that is an awful rule because you would never know if Jesus gets the ball again if he wasn't brought down right.
I saw the VAR kept pausing it at the moment of contact and the ball was just about to go out of play. Maybe that's why they decided no pen. It was clear contact, I think they might just have interpreted it that way.
It wasn't a penalty but still closer to a penalty than Kane's dive against Colombia.
Haha nice one.
Ball goes out of play because he gets fouled and has no way to retrieve said ball that is my point. He has no chance to get it when he has been tackled. Does he get the ball if Kompany isn't there....
No, I think that they called that the ball was already outside when the collision happened.
e: Which is totally not the case, so yep, penalty.
Shame we're losing Meunier vs France, probably means Vermaelen plays and Alderweireld is shuffled to the right wing? Idk. We don't really have a replacement for Meunier.
On July 07 2018 05:26 Laurens wrote: Pande's power ranking once again complete shit ;D
Shame we're losing Meunier vs France, probably means Vermaelen plays and Alderweireld is shuffled to the right wing? Idk. We don't really have a replacement for Meunier.
Rofl fuck xD
Well my one redeeming piece would be England winning then i can just say i didn't put them rank 1 because you all wouldn't beleive me :3
Was an awesome game. First half De Bruyne was really impressive, I was like "this is the best player in the world". 2nd half Brazil was pushing so hard... and the counters weren't really effective anymore. Brazil failed hard at scoring, also thanks to the great keeper of Belgium.
Well Germany is out, so just about any result is good at this point.
Belgium definitely played admirably today and earned their win. Lot of shots Brazil should have been able to score but didn’t manage. Credit to Belgium for pulling it off.
All semifinalists are European -> Europe dominates the world cup -> the Euro really is the supreme competition -> in all fairness, Portugal as European champion should also be considered world champion.
Sounds like you aren't getting the reference if you think it's unnecessary. Read my WC 2014 blog for more details if you're interested. I can't wait to make one for England and Kane haha.
We left everything out there imo so im fine with the loss. Doesn't hurt so much. I have the feeling we have a great team but were not good enough to push the ball in when we needed today.
On July 07 2018 08:31 Raidern wrote: We left everything out there imo so im fine with the loss. Doesn't hurt so much. I have the feeling we have a great team but were not good enough to push the ball in when we needed today.
Yeah. Honestly this is the loss that hurted the less in all my years watching the world cup. I'm proud of our team and their performance, I think we are in the right track, especially with some rumours that Tite will be staying as the coach.
On July 07 2018 08:14 BigFan wrote: Sounds like you aren't getting the reference if you think it's unnecessary. Read my WC 2014 blog for more details if you're interested. I can't wait to make one for England and Kane haha.
Im not interested, no , anything that requires me to read somones blog to "get it" makes it even more unnecessary..
On July 07 2018 08:14 BigFan wrote: Sounds like you aren't getting the reference if you think it's unnecessary. Read my WC 2014 blog for more details if you're interested. I can't wait to make one for England and Kane haha.
Im not interested, no , anything that requires me to read somones blog to "get it" makes it even more unnecessary..
On July 07 2018 13:47 evilfatsh1t wrote: YESSSS BELGIUMMMM so glad brazil lost. i dont care how good a team is if their players are disgraceful and dont honour the spirit of sportsmanship.
too bad n1e is temped. id pay to see his rage right now
Pretty sure BigFan perma banned him, but sure, I agree. He'd blame the ref very hard for sure.
On July 07 2018 13:47 evilfatsh1t wrote: YESSSS BELGIUMMMM so glad brazil lost. i dont care how good a team is if their players are disgraceful and dont honour the spirit of sportsmanship.
too bad n1e is temped. id pay to see his rage right now
What? If you ignore Neymar the Brazilians have done nothing to warrant such hate, Neymar also calmed down after the group stage. They're very far from teams like Spain or England who are full of divers and busy to taunt the opponent in vicious ways.
On July 07 2018 13:47 evilfatsh1t wrote: YESSSS BELGIUMMMM so glad brazil lost. i dont care how good a team is if their players are disgraceful and dont honour the spirit of sportsmanship.
too bad n1e is temped. id pay to see his rage right now
What? If you ignore Neymar the Brazilians have done nothing to warrant such hate, Neymar also calmed down after the group stage. They're very far from teams like Spain or England who are full of divers and busy to taunt the opponent in vicious ways.
the rest of the brazilian team isnt enough to make up for neymars bitching. makes me so glad to see neymar lose and any 50 50 call that didnt go his way was fully deserved tbh
brazil played very sympathetic in this game. neymar was hardly being ridiculous (going down easy for a hopeful pk is fairly standard, wasting time is pretty dumb when losing) and I don't have a problem with any of the other players. Loved the energy and passion from both fans and players, too.
Players know what happens on social media and I'm expecting Neymar didn't love the memes or constant flow of articles berating him and that he actually cleaned up most exaggerated parts of his act. I thought this was a great game between two great teams that really could have gone either way, and Brazil could have / should have gotten one penalty. N1E wouldve cried conspiracy which is ridiculous, but all the other brazilians here have been totally reasonable. cya in 4 years indeed.
I can't believe Brazil fluffed like 3 100% chances in that match. And Courtois' godly goalkeeping saved Belgium another 4 or 5 times. Meanwhile their defense was shown to be awful, and nowhere near worth the hype it was given in the group stages (or vs Mexico). Part of it was, of course, missing Casemiro. Fernandinho is atrocious (own goal was just unlucky, but the rest of his defending was also awful). But even taking that into account, Lukaku was consistently left completely free to do whatever the fuck he liked, and that second goal, there were 3! players without a yellow shirt anywhere near them, including de Bruyne, which is just fucking nuts. Also, Fagner is slow as balls. Every time he got in a running match with a Belgian he lost. Marcelo played an incredibly good attacking game (but was maybe part of the problem for the defense?)
Courtois played an unreal match. Gotta feel good making so many impeccable saves. I have absolutely no idea why Lukaku was subbed off. That made no sense to me.
The game deserved extra time, but well, it was not to be. Congrats to Belgium. Now take out those froggies (and then lose to Sweden in the final ).
On July 07 2018 18:58 Liquid`Drone wrote: brazil played very sympathetic in this game. neymar was hardly being ridiculous (going down easy for a hopeful pk is fairly standard, wasting time is pretty dumb when losing) and I don't have a problem with any of the other players. Loved the energy and passion from both fans and players, too.
Players know what happens on social media and I'm expecting Neymar didn't love the memes or constant flow of articles berating him and that he actually cleaned up most exaggerated parts of his act. I thought this was a great game between two great teams that really could have gone either way, and Brazil could have / should have gotten one penalty. N1E wouldve cried conspiracy which is ridiculous, but all the other brazilians here have been totally reasonable. cya in 4 years indeed.
Reason neymar didnt roll was that brazil was 2 goals behind and any second time wasting costs brazil
Exactly. Any country that are too sure of themselves taking it start to gather a crowd of people who want to see the tears...although I'm divided on this one, England play far more attractive football than Sweden of course.
Sweden hasn’t really played so good so far in this World Cup. They’ve just managed to get this far against unimpressive opponents. I see this trend is going to buckle against this first serious opponent in an elimination match.
On July 07 2018 23:37 LegalLord wrote: Sweden hasn’t really played so good so far in this World Cup. They’ve just managed to get this far against unimpressive opponents. I see this trend is going to buckle against this first serious opponent in an elimination match.
On July 07 2018 23:37 LegalLord wrote: Sweden hasn’t really played so good so far in this World Cup. They’ve just managed to get this far against unimpressive opponents. I see this trend is going to buckle against this first serious opponent in an elimination match.
So what exactly the same with England.
The whole lower bracket (with hopefully the exception of Croatia) has been a joke...
On July 07 2018 23:34 zev318 wrote: its funny that english commentators are using words like we and us, and not talking like a neutral spectator
never see that happen in basketball/hockey commentary (when watching US/Canada with US/Canada commentators)
American commentators during the miracle on ice game sure as shit weren't 'talking like a neutral spectator'. Maybe you mean in NBA/NHL that they're neutral, but it's the same in football when it's clubs rather than national teams playing.
On July 07 2018 23:37 LegalLord wrote: Sweden hasn’t really played so good so far in this World Cup. They’ve just managed to get this far against unimpressive opponents. I see this trend is going to buckle against this first serious opponent in an elimination match.
So what exactly the same with England.
The whole lower bracket (with hopefully the exception of Croatia) has been a joke...
On July 07 2018 23:37 LegalLord wrote: Sweden hasn’t really played so good so far in this World Cup. They’ve just managed to get this far against unimpressive opponents. I see this trend is going to buckle against this first serious opponent in an elimination match.
So what exactly the same with England.
Sweden worse
Engerland pretty much gets a free pass to the finals at this rate, judging by the right bracket anyways
Sterling touch for the second chance was out of this world though, to stop that dead like he did was nuts. If he finishes that it is Messi esc but he panics fml. Fuuuck
Looking very comfortable right now though, keep it up. These Swedes are awful with the press on them. COME ON!
On July 07 2018 23:50 nojok wrote: It's telling a lot about manchester city who managed to make Sterling score so many goals.
ive been saying this so many times ever since the tournament started... De Bruyne and Pep's football make everyone look good, hell you could have played Lord Bendtner and he would have scored more...
On July 08 2018 00:11 Mafe wrote: These swedes are a 2004-greece level underdog. I dont want them to enjoy the same success as the Brolin-Dahlin generation.
On July 08 2018 00:11 Mafe wrote: These swedes are a 2004-greece level underdog. I dont want them to enjoy the same success as the Brolin-Dahlin generation.
They play worse football than Greece did imo
Greece would not string together a combination like that in 10 years though.
On July 08 2018 00:40 Rebs wrote: Anyone notice that the game is being played at a good temperament with no Colombians present? Guess the English arent so bad are they.
well obviously Colombia were the instigators in the other match but this match has been played in the intensity of a friendly. There is no reason for higher temperaments
On July 08 2018 00:40 Rebs wrote: Anyone notice that the game is being played at a good temperament with no Colombians present? Guess the English arent so bad are they.
Maguire and Alli have always been assholes, Colombian opponents or not
On July 08 2018 00:40 Rebs wrote: Anyone notice that the game is being played at a good temperament with no Colombians present? Guess the English arent so bad are they.
well obviously Colombia were the instigators in the other match but this match has been played in the intensity of a friendly. There is no reason for higher temperaments
Im not sure what to make of this. So the Swedes should go around kicking the shit out of England so that we get some intensity?
Kinda insulting to suggest the Swedes arent trying their hardest
On July 08 2018 00:40 Rebs wrote: Anyone notice that the game is being played at a good temperament with no Colombians present? Guess the English arent so bad are they.
Maguire and Alli have always been assholes, Colombian opponents or not
..............
Wonder why it left them for all their other game then.
On July 08 2018 00:40 Rebs wrote: Anyone notice that the game is being played at a good temperament with no Colombians present? Guess the English arent so bad are they.
well obviously Colombia were the instigators in the other match but this match has been played in the intensity of a friendly. There is no reason for higher temperaments
Im not sure what to make of this. So the Swedes should go around kicking the shit out of England so that we get some intensity?
Kinda insulting to suggest the Swedes arent trying their hardest
You can play high intensity matches without fouls. You know that?
On July 08 2018 00:40 Rebs wrote: Anyone notice that the game is being played at a good temperament with no Colombians present? Guess the English arent so bad are they.
Maguire and Alli have always been assholes, Colombian opponents or not
..............
Wonder why it left them for all their other game then.
It didn't leave them in their other games, even at 2-0 up in this game Maguire started a fight in at the half line for no reason. Alli has gotten many stupid red cards due to his temperament. And of course this stuff is more pronounced when their team is not winning, so far other than in the Colombia game that didn't happen at this WC. They played Belgium with the 2nd team and arguably didn't mind losing that one to get in the easier bracket.
I don't think England is a particularly dirty team, I just found your comment very biased.
On July 08 2018 01:07 LegalLord wrote: Also, did I just remember wrong or did the order of the two games today get swapped? Could’ve sworn the other game was supposed to be first.
Nope, I downloaded a calendar file before tournament and that shows the same order as it is being played now.
On July 08 2018 00:40 Rebs wrote: Anyone notice that the game is being played at a good temperament with no Colombians present? Guess the English arent so bad are they.
Maguire and Alli have always been assholes, Colombian opponents or not
..............
Wonder why it left them for all their other game then.
It didn't leave them in their other games, even at 2-0 up in this game Maguire started a fight in at the half line for no reason. Alli has gotten many stupid red cards due to his temperament. And of course this stuff is more pronounced when their team is not winning, so far other than in the Colombia game that didn't happen at this WC. They played Belgium with the 2nd team and arguably didn't mind losing that one to get in the easier bracket.
I don't think England is a particularly dirty team, I just found your comment very biased.
I dont really care what becomes of England. I am just pushing back some of the nonsense people were coming up with forming opinions after one ill tempered game where very few are immune to provocation after the Colombia game.
Dele Ali has gotten 0 red cards playing for England and his club last season so has Maguire. Your arguments are invalid in supporting your assessment.
Every comment I have seen regarding the bad nature of the English team has been retroactive logic with no actual basis in fact or reputation.
Its actually painful I have to be on Pande's side on this.
On July 08 2018 00:40 Rebs wrote: Anyone notice that the game is being played at a good temperament with no Colombians present? Guess the English arent so bad are they.
well obviously Colombia were the instigators in the other match but this match has been played in the intensity of a friendly. There is no reason for higher temperaments
Im not sure what to make of this. So the Swedes should go around kicking the shit out of England so that we get some intensity?
Kinda insulting to suggest the Swedes arent trying their hardest
You can play high intensity matches without fouls. You know that?
WOW Really? Thanks Sharkie I guess every team should just learn from Japan and pass the ball at the back for the last 15 minutes of a game.. orrrr maybee not..
On July 08 2018 00:40 Rebs wrote: Anyone notice that the game is being played at a good temperament with no Colombians present? Guess the English arent so bad are they.
Maguire and Alli have always been assholes, Colombian opponents or not
..............
Wonder why it left them for all their other game then.
It didn't leave them in their other games, even at 2-0 up in this game Maguire started a fight in at the half line for no reason. Alli has gotten many stupid red cards due to his temperament. And of course this stuff is more pronounced when their team is not winning, so far other than in the Colombia game that didn't happen at this WC. They played Belgium with the 2nd team and arguably didn't mind losing that one to get in the easier bracket.
I don't think England is a particularly dirty team, I just found your comment very biased.
I dont really care what becomes of England. I am just pushing back some of the nonsense people were coming up with forming opinions after one ill tempered game where very few are immune to provocation after the Colombia game.
Dele Ali has gotten 0 red cards playing for England and his club last season so has Maguire. Your arguments are invalid in supporting your assessment.
Every comment I have seen regarding the bad nature of the English team has been retroactive logic with no actual basis in fact or reputation.
Its actually painful I have to be on Pande's side on this.
On July 08 2018 00:40 Rebs wrote: Anyone notice that the game is being played at a good temperament with no Colombians present? Guess the English arent so bad are they.
well obviously Colombia were the instigators in the other match but this match has been played in the intensity of a friendly. There is no reason for higher temperaments
Im not sure what to make of this. So the Swedes should go around kicking the shit out of England so that we get some intensity?
Kinda insulting to suggest the Swedes arent trying their hardest
You can play high intensity matches without fouls. You know that?
WOW Really? Thanks Sharkie I guess every team should just learn from Japan and pass the ball at the back for the last 15 minutes of a game.. orrrr maybee not..
If Japan did that we wpuld have advanced against Belgium lop
On July 08 2018 00:40 Rebs wrote: Anyone notice that the game is being played at a good temperament with no Colombians present? Guess the English arent so bad are they.
Maguire and Alli have always been assholes, Colombian opponents or not
..............
Wonder why it left them for all their other game then.
It didn't leave them in their other games, even at 2-0 up in this game Maguire started a fight in at the half line for no reason. Alli has gotten many stupid red cards due to his temperament. And of course this stuff is more pronounced when their team is not winning, so far other than in the Colombia game that didn't happen at this WC. They played Belgium with the 2nd team and arguably didn't mind losing that one to get in the easier bracket.
I don't think England is a particularly dirty team, I just found your comment very biased.
I dont really care what becomes of England. I am just pushing back some of the nonsense people were coming up with forming opinions after one ill tempered game where very few are immune to provocation after the Colombia game.
Dele Ali has gotten 0 red cards playing for England and his club last season so has Maguire. Your arguments are invalid in supporting your assessment.
Every comment I have seen regarding the bad nature of the English team has been retroactive logic with no actual basis in fact or reputation.
Its actually painful I have to be on Pande's side on this.
On July 08 2018 00:55 sharkie wrote:
On July 08 2018 00:49 Rebs wrote:
On July 08 2018 00:42 sharkie wrote:
On July 08 2018 00:40 Rebs wrote: Anyone notice that the game is being played at a good temperament with no Colombians present? Guess the English arent so bad are they.
well obviously Colombia were the instigators in the other match but this match has been played in the intensity of a friendly. There is no reason for higher temperaments
Im not sure what to make of this. So the Swedes should go around kicking the shit out of England so that we get some intensity?
Kinda insulting to suggest the Swedes arent trying their hardest
You can play high intensity matches without fouls. You know that?
WOW Really? Thanks Sharkie I guess every team should just learn from Japan and pass the ball at the back for the last 15 minutes of a game.. orrrr maybee not..
If Japan did that we wpuld have advanced against Belgium lop
you tell yourself that buddy. I like how you couldnt help yourself getting baited by the jab rather then actually just point out that my comment did nothing to address your argument.
Was just a test if I should maybe give you the benefit of the doubt and bother to address your point. Which I dont think I will now.
England are far from a dirty side and the only thing they have done "wrong" so far is Maguire dived in the box to get up and immediately say to ref "nope i dived"....so yeah he was bad there but didn't even appeal.
We have been grappled,manhelded and fouled no endlessly in the Tunisia, Panama and Colombian games. When you play "fair" like in this Sweden game you get that result a comfortably dominate performance.
In my memory, the quarterfinals of a wc/euro often had the best matches of the entire tournament, but not 3 of 4 look to be relatively underwhelming. edit: What a timing for my post.
Keeper definitely looks injured, didn’t use his feet in any of the last few moves. On the one hand don’t want to sit through extra time again, on the other it’d be real BS if it ended like that.
Good thing for croatia that there is a 4th substitution in extra time. On the other hand, they might not have used 3 subs if there wasnt a 4th available.
On July 08 2018 04:59 Mensol wrote: England are going to be extremely fresh compared to those two, that is the second extra times in a row both.
They had 2 more days to recover before today however.
Btw how shitty are the English commentators, absolutely no emotion. I put down the phone for a sec to get some water, and missed the goal because the commentator didn't even get excited or said anything. I only noticed there was a goal because the ref keep using his whistle, and managed to see the replay.
Btw how shitty are the English commentators, absolutely no emotion. I put down the phone for a sec to get some water, and missed the goal because the commentator didn't even get excited or said anything. I only noticed there was a goal because the ref keep using his whistle, and managed to see the replay.
Good thing though, I like Croatia.
Maybe on the bbc itv stream but the international English stream was great
On July 08 2018 05:35 Malinor wrote: England is gonna wipe the floor with the remains of whatever team is going to advance.
I think that if there is one thing we already learned during this world cup is that nobody will destroy or wipe the floor with nobody. Both semis will be really even in my opinion, as were the Ro8 games.
Doesn't matter that Croatia played more minutes more recently, Modric and Rakitic have Spanish blood shamans on their side, they're gonna run circles around Henderson
Hoping for a Belgium vs Croatia finals, since it would guarantee a new world cup champion. Wouldn´t mind if it´s England though, since almost anyone here was even born when they won hehe.
Congrats Croatia and congrats Russia for an amazing run. Semi finals are looking great.
On July 08 2018 06:04 Pr0wler wrote: So the cup stays in the EU. Thank you very much, we won again !
Yeah, South America needs to catch up. In 2022 it will complete 20 years since a team outside Europe won the world cup.
By the way, this is the first time in history that the semi finals don´t have one of either Brazil, Germany or Argentina.
30 years ago not a whole lot of Brazilian and Argentinian players moved to European clubs compared to today. Now many of their young prospects go to big European clubs where they sit on the bench or play for their reserve/youth squad where the level is much lower than in the South American top divisions.
If we look over Brazil's squad we see that many of the players that made it took a detour and went to Portugal or Shakthar or a mid-table Spanish/German/French team where they continued to develop playing at a decent level before joining an elite club.
When we see transfers like Vinicius to Real there's a high chance they'll waste away on the bench or at Castilla for 3 years before disappearing.
On July 08 2018 06:04 Pr0wler wrote: So the cup stays in the EU. Thank you very much, we won again !
Yeah, South America needs to catch up. In 2022 it will complete 20 years since a team outside Europe won the world cup.
By the way, this is the first time in history that the semi finals don´t have one of either Brazil, Germany or Argentina.
30 years ago not a whole lot of Brazilian and Argentinian players moved to European clubs compared to today. Now many of their young prospects go to big European clubs where they sit on the bench or play for their reserve/youth squad where the level is much lower than in the South American top divisions.
If we look over Brazil's squad we see that many of the players that made it took a detour and went to Portugal or Shakthar or a mid-table Spanish/German/French team where they continued to develop playing at a decent level before joining an elite club.
When we see transfers like Vinicius to Real there's a high chance they'll waste away on the bench or at Castilla for 3 years before disappearing.
Yeah, this is always a very discussed topic here. A lot of players come to mind who went to Europe as very promissing prospects, but always stayed on the bench and never developed enough. Neymar, for example, almost went to Europe very very young, but decided to stay one more season in Santos and establish himself more to make sure he would be a starting player before moving.
This still happens a lot, but I feel it's less than it was 10-15 years ago. Maybe because our players and their agents are seeing this patern and investing more in the long term and not only in some easy money for a short term benefit.
On July 08 2018 06:04 Pr0wler wrote: So the cup stays in the EU. Thank you very much, we won again !
Yeah, South America needs to catch up. In 2022 it will complete 20 years since a team outside Europe won the world cup.
By the way, this is the first time in history that the semi finals don´t have one of either Brazil, Germany or Argentina.
30 years ago not a whole lot of Brazilian and Argentinian players moved to European clubs compared to today. Now many of their young prospects go to big European clubs where they sit on the bench or play for their reserve/youth squad where the level is much lower than in the South American top divisions.
If we look over Brazil's squad we see that many of the players that made it took a detour and went to Portugal or Shakthar or a mid-table Spanish/German/French team where they continued to develop playing at a decent level before joining an elite club.
When we see transfers like Vinicius to Real there's a high chance they'll waste away on the bench or at Castilla for 3 years before disappearing.
Yeah, this is always a very discussed topic here. A lot of players come to mind who went to Europe as very promissing prospects, but always stayed on the bench and never developed enough. Neymar, for example, almost went to Europe very very young, but decided to stay one more season in Santos and establish himself more to make sure he would be a starting player before moving.
This still happens a lot, but I feel it's less than it was 10-15 years ago. Maybe because our players and their agents are seeing this patern and investing more in the long term and not only in some easy money for a short term benefit.
While this is a relevant issue, its not a chronic one. Most Brazilian imports going direct to big club teams and being wasted is not really the standard anyway. Vinicius to real is not a normal situation either. Unless there are other cases the standard route has been for South American players to develop themselves in European leagues tahat are smaller. Thats the standard not the exception, which can only be a good thing.
I am confused how this is relevant to SA teams falling behind. SA success has largely been decided by the Success of Brazil and Argentina, and its not unfathomable that neither of those two wouldnt make a semi final given how strong European teams have gotten in general.
And its a bit misleading to say "havent won in 20 years".
Rather its that they havent won since 2002/ Thats 4 editions of the tournament. Again that is largely down to Brazil success that trumps European dominance. Its not like teams like Columbia, Paraguy or Urguay were constantly making top 4s and now all of a sudden the arent. That was never a thing.
On July 08 2018 06:04 Pr0wler wrote: So the cup stays in the EU. Thank you very much, we won again !
Yeah, South America needs to catch up. In 2022 it will complete 20 years since a team outside Europe won the world cup.
By the way, this is the first time in history that the semi finals don´t have one of either Brazil, Germany or Argentina.
30 years ago not a whole lot of Brazilian and Argentinian players moved to European clubs compared to today. Now many of their young prospects go to big European clubs where they sit on the bench or play for their reserve/youth squad where the level is much lower than in the South American top divisions.
If we look over Brazil's squad we see that many of the players that made it took a detour and went to Portugal or Shakthar or a mid-table Spanish/German/French team where they continued to develop playing at a decent level before joining an elite club.
When we see transfers like Vinicius to Real there's a high chance they'll waste away on the bench or at Castilla for 3 years before disappearing.
Yeah, this is always a very discussed topic here. A lot of players come to mind who went to Europe as very promissing prospects, but always stayed on the bench and never developed enough. Neymar, for example, almost went to Europe very very young, but decided to stay one more season in Santos and establish himself more to make sure he would be a starting player before moving.
This still happens a lot, but I feel it's less than it was 10-15 years ago. Maybe because our players and their agents are seeing this patern and investing more in the long term and not only in some easy money for a short term benefit.
While this is a relevant issue, its not a chronic one. Most Brazilian imports going direct to big club teams and being wasted is not really the standard anyway. Vinicius to real is not a normal situation either. Unless there are other cases the standard route has been for South American players to develop themselves in European leagues tahat are smaller. Thats the standard not the exception, which can only be a good thing.
I am confused how this is relevant to SA teams falling behind. SA success has largely been decided by the Success of Brazil and Argentina, and its not unfathomable that neither of those two wouldnt make a semi final given how strong European teams have gotten in general.
And its a bit misleading to say "havent won in 20 years".
Rather its that they havent won since 2002/ Thats 4 editions of the tournament. Again that is largely down to Brazil success that trumps European dominance. Its not like teams like Columbia, Paraguy or Urguay were constantly making top 4s and now all of a sudden the arent. That was never a thing.
Oh I don't think that has to do with SA not getting to the semis this year or not winning since 2002, I was just responding the comment that quoted me. And that is a constantly discussed topic here, not that it has to do with us falling behind or anything.
And Europe never won 3 world cups in a row before, and now it will be their fourth. That's a very long time, which says something about how especially Argentina and Brazil performed since 2002. Even though Argentina got to a final.
Just to be clear, I also don't think Brazil is in crisis or are playing bad or anything. We lost in the Ro8 in 2006 to France, who got to the finals, in the Ro8 in 2010 to Netherlands, who got to the finals, in the semis to Germany, who were the champions, and to Belgium this year in the Ro8. Not the worst results in my opinion, but as a south american I always want to see south americans teams in the later stages of the tournament, and I hope 2022 is a better cup for us.
One of the factors might be that SA teams still rely more on individual talent, whereas European teams have gotten much better at factors you can work on at an institutional level - better coaching, tactical cohesiveness, team spirit. European FAs seem to be better managed in general.
Of course the problem with these kinds of analyses is that if one or two of the 45754 clear chances Brazil had vs Belgium had gone in, we'd be talking about Brazil's dominance in football.
On July 05 2018 09:16 nayumi wrote: France 0-1 Uruguay (in extra time) Brazil 1-2 Belgium Croatia 0-0 Russia (Russia to win on shoot-out) England 1-0 Sweden (Lingaard's extra time goal)
Think you are too pessimistic
France 2-0 Uruguay Brazil 3-4 Belgium Croatia 2-1 Russia England 0-0 Sweden (England wins on penalties,,,,AGAIN!)
Damn. Wasnt far off on those results. At least I got the winners right.
Hasn't all goals from England come from standards? So if his role is to allow others to score them, why isnt it working? Pretty sure one of his roles is to score goals
On July 08 2018 18:21 aseq wrote: Not necessarily my opinion, but as people only seem to be negative about sterling: https://youtu.be/kcHslKK0VMQ
Alot of what he says is true, but on top of that, Sterling also misses loads of chances and runs into groups of opposition players. He gave the ball away so much yesterday.
On July 08 2018 18:24 sharkie wrote: Hasn't all goals from England come from standards? So if his role is to allow others to score them, why isnt it working? Pretty sure one of his roles is to score goals
The point is that his role is to create the space needed to be able to play the formation that England play at all. Without hard working midfielders like Lingard, it wouldn't work either, but Sterling is key to that.
On July 08 2018 18:24 sharkie wrote: Hasn't all goals from England come from standards? So if his role is to allow others to score them, why isnt it working? Pretty sure one of his roles is to score goals
England is mostly trying to earn cheap fouls in dangerous areas or corner kicks and he's a good player for that. Then Harry Kane grabs his opponent before falling on the ground when the defender reacts in the same way.
After all of that they go full judgemental on how the Colombians were dirty. The Uruguyans were playing tough as well and did not have any problem against the Portuguese or the French because the teams played it fair and tough, no sneaky provocation like the English did all game against Colombia with the ref in their pocket.
On July 08 2018 18:24 sharkie wrote: Hasn't all goals from England come from standards? So if his role is to allow others to score them, why isnt it working? Pretty sure one of his roles is to score goals
England is mostly trying to earn cheap fouls in dangerous areas or corner kicks and he's a good player for that. Then Harry Kane grabs his opponent before falling on the ground when the defender reacts in the same way.
After all of that they go full judgemental on how the Colombians were dirty. The Uruguyans were playing tough as well and did not have any problem against the Portuguese or the French because the teams played it fair and tough, no sneaky provocation like the English did all game against Colombia with the ref in their pocket.
Its hard to take this seriously when you obviously have an axe to grind against England. I can't tell if you're trolling. How come the England vs Sweden game wasn't out of control like the Columbia game? Because Sweden are professionals whereas Columbia were basically trying to bully a bunch of kids and failed lol.
ps did you enjoy Mbappe rolling around screaming because he ran past someone against Uruguay?
On July 08 2018 18:21 aseq wrote: Not necessarily my opinion, but as people only seem to be negative about sterling: https://youtu.be/kcHslKK0VMQ
There's a difference between making space for/enable others to score and wasting obvious chances. By that logic, everyone on the bench of a winning team is top tier world class because the morale support from the sideline is clearly crucial for them winning the game /sarcasm_off.
On July 08 2018 18:21 aseq wrote: Not necessarily my opinion, but as people only seem to be negative about sterling: https://youtu.be/kcHslKK0VMQ
There's a difference between making space for/enable others to score and wasting obvious chances. By that logic, everyone on the bench of a winning team is top tier world class because the morale support from the sideline is clearly crucial for them winning the game /sarcasm_off.
Of course there's a difference, making space and not taking chances are two completely different things?! The point is, if the whole formation/style of play relies on Sterling making the space, then it is worth the missed chances to be able to play the preferred tactics. Of course we all want him to be better on the ball and score some goals, but Rashford isn't even that much better in that regard and playing him doesn't come with the tactical advantages that Sterling gives you.
On July 08 2018 17:04 warding wrote: One of the factors might be that SA teams still rely more on individual talent, whereas European teams have gotten much better at factors you can work on at an institutional level - better coaching, tactical cohesiveness, team spirit. European FAs seem to be better managed in general.
Of course the problem with these kinds of analyses is that if one or two of the 45754 clear chances Brazil had vs Belgium had gone in, we'd be talking about Brazil's dominance in football.
I think it all comes down to circumstances, since world cup comes down to single elimination. Argentina had big chances against Germany which Messi and Higuain should have scored. This time, Colombia missed their best player and still got to penalty stage, while Brazil created way more chances than Belgium, just weren't as clinical as they should (+random own goal which allowed Belgium to find space in the first half)
On July 08 2018 18:21 aseq wrote: Not necessarily my opinion, but as people only seem to be negative about sterling: https://youtu.be/kcHslKK0VMQ
There's a difference between making space for/enable others to score and wasting obvious chances. By that logic, everyone on the bench of a winning team is top tier world class because the morale support from the sideline is clearly crucial for them winning the game /sarcasm_off.
Of course there's a difference, making space and not taking chances are two completely different things?! The point is, if the whole formation/style of play relies on Sterling making the space, then it is worth the missed chances to be able to play the preferred tactics. Of course we all want him to be better on the ball and score some goals, but Rashford isn't even that much better in that regard and playing him doesn't come with the tactical advantages that Sterling gives you.
Look, the point is, regardless of his value to the team + Show Spoiler +
(which is there clearly because if he wasnt bringing it he wouldnt be an automatic starter on the most dominant attacking team in PL History)
if you think that we are going to sit here and not bag on him for fucking up guilt edged chances .......
Sorry he doesnt get to be that good at the game and get a pass for having a very obvious weakness which is essentially the most critical part of your game, something that he is still struggling to resolve.
If he can fix that part of his game he'd be the best player on his team. Till then we are going to keep Loling at him. I am not saying he shouldnt play. There is no one better, but my god he is wasteful.
On July 08 2018 18:21 aseq wrote: Not necessarily my opinion, but as people only seem to be negative about sterling: https://youtu.be/kcHslKK0VMQ
There's a difference between making space for/enable others to score and wasting obvious chances. By that logic, everyone on the bench of a winning team is top tier world class because the morale support from the sideline is clearly crucial for them winning the game /sarcasm_off.
Of course there's a difference, making space and not taking chances are two completely different things?! The point is, if the whole formation/style of play relies on Sterling making the space, then it is worth the missed chances to be able to play the preferred tactics. Of course we all want him to be better on the ball and score some goals, but Rashford isn't even that much better in that regard and playing him doesn't come with the tactical advantages that Sterling gives you.
Look, the point is, regardless of his value to the team + Show Spoiler +
(which is there clearly because if he wasnt bringing it he wouldnt be an automatic starter on the most dominant attacking team in PL History)
if you think that we are going to sit here and not bag on him for fucking up guilt edged chances .......
Sorry he doesnt get to be that good at the game and get a pass for having a very obvious weakness which is essentially the most critical part of your game, something that he is still struggling to resolve.
If he can fix that part of his game he'd be the best player on his team. Till then we are going to keep Loling at him. I am not saying he shouldnt play. There is no one better, but my god he is wasteful.
I'm not saying don't lol at him. I was swearing at him very loudly from my sofa yesterday, but its still worth playing him.
On July 08 2018 18:21 aseq wrote: Not necessarily my opinion, but as people only seem to be negative about sterling: https://youtu.be/kcHslKK0VMQ
There's a difference between making space for/enable others to score and wasting obvious chances. By that logic, everyone on the bench of a winning team is top tier world class because the morale support from the sideline is clearly crucial for them winning the game /sarcasm_off.
Of course there's a difference, making space and not taking chances are two completely different things?! The point is, if the whole formation/style of play relies on Sterling making the space, then it is worth the missed chances to be able to play the preferred tactics. Of course we all want him to be better on the ball and score some goals, but Rashford isn't even that much better in that regard and playing him doesn't come with the tactical advantages that Sterling gives you.
Look, the point is, regardless of his value to the team + Show Spoiler +
(which is there clearly because if he wasnt bringing it he wouldnt be an automatic starter on the most dominant attacking team in PL History)
if you think that we are going to sit here and not bag on him for fucking up guilt edged chances .......
Sorry he doesnt get to be that good at the game and get a pass for having a very obvious weakness which is essentially the most critical part of your game, something that he is still struggling to resolve.
If he can fix that part of his game he'd be the best player on his team. Till then we are going to keep Loling at him. I am not saying he shouldnt play. There is no one better, but my god he is wasteful.
I'm not saying don't lol at him. I was swearing at him very loudly from my sofa yesterday, but its still worth playing him.
Well most of the comments during the game were shitting on him for lacking an end product. very few if any+ Show Spoiler +
(with some notable exceptions who dont know anything about the game anyway despite how much they seem to invest in it)
I know it’s painful for English fans but let's remember the Euro's. Yeah, I know bummer. Sorry. Forget about England at the Euro’s and look at Portugal. That terrible Portugal side playing god awful football got a final against France by only beating Croatia, Poland (only on penalties) and Wales. They also finished third in the group not winning a game against Hungary, Iceland or Austria. Somehow Ronaldo fans use this as proof that Ronaldo is the best player and carries his team despite the fact he only scored one goal in the 4 knockout games and only 3 in total from 7 games against really poor sides. Anyway, enough Ronaldo bashing. The point I am trying to make is that Portugal were terrible got a lucky draw and took their chance against France! This is a positive story to emulate. There is hope for England. We can do it!
On July 09 2018 16:57 Greg_J wrote: I know it’s painful for English fans but let's remember the Euro's. Yeah, I know bummer. Sorry. Forget about England at the Euro’s and look at Portugal. That terrible Portugal side playing god awful football got a final against France by only beating Croatia, Poland (only on penalties) and Wales. They also finished third in the group not winning a game against Hungary, Iceland or Austria. Somehow Ronaldo fans use this as proof that Ronaldo is the best player and carries his team despite the fact he only scored one goal in the 4 knockout games and only 3 in total from 7 games against really poor sides. Anyway, enough Ronaldo bashing. The point I am trying to make is that Portugal were terrible got a lucky draw and took their chance against France! This is a positive story to emulate. There is hope for England. We can do it!
Where is the semi-finals thread?
England does not play Portugal type of football and they are not that fucking lucky. It is a terrible idea to use that to boost your morale.
On July 09 2018 16:57 Greg_J wrote: I know it’s painful for English fans but let's remember the Euro's. Yeah, I know bummer. Sorry. Forget about England at the Euro’s and look at Portugal. That terrible Portugal side playing god awful football got a final against France by only beating Croatia, Poland (only on penalties) and Wales. They also finished third in the group not winning a game against Hungary, Iceland or Austria. Somehow Ronaldo fans use this as proof that Ronaldo is the best player and carries his team despite the fact he only scored one goal in the 4 knockout games and only 3 in total from 7 games against really poor sides. Anyway, enough Ronaldo bashing. The point I am trying to make is that Portugal were terrible got a lucky draw and took their chance against France! This is a positive story to emulate. There is hope for England. We can do it!
Where is the semi-finals thread?
Ronaldo fans use it because he won a title with Portugal. The how is forgotten 20+ years later
England are not the best team in the world right now by a long shot and no one is claiming we are. It's probably one of the worst teams we have ever sent. But we have the best chance in a long time. We are better than that Portugal side was and playing much more positive football I didn't mean to compare the football just the lucky draw and a poor team who have a chance to somehow fluke into a final. If you are in the final you have a chance to win it. Belgium and France are both better than us that is pretty much a fact. But it's football the best team doesn't always win. If we can beat Croatia and get in that final we will have a chance. Come on England!
On July 09 2018 16:57 Greg_J wrote: I know it’s painful for English fans but let's remember the Euro's. Yeah, I know bummer. Sorry. Forget about England at the Euro’s and look at Portugal. That terrible Portugal side playing god awful football got a final against France by only beating Croatia, Poland (only on penalties) and Wales. They also finished third in the group not winning a game against Hungary, Iceland or Austria. Somehow Ronaldo fans use this as proof that Ronaldo is the best player and carries his team despite the fact he only scored one goal in the 4 knockout games and only 3 in total from 7 games against really poor sides. Anyway, enough Ronaldo bashing. The point I am trying to make is that Portugal were terrible got a lucky draw and took their chance against France! This is a positive story to emulate. There is hope for England. We can do it!
Where is the semi-finals thread?
Ronaldo fans use it because he won a title with Portugal. The how is forgotten 20+ years later
On July 09 2018 17:35 Greg_J wrote: England are not the best team in the world right now by a long shot and no one is claiming we are. It's probably one of the worst teams we have ever sent. But we have the best chance in a long time. We are better than that Portugal side was and playing much more positive football I didn't mean to compare the football just the lucky draw and a poor team who have a chance to somehow fluke into a final. If you are in the final you have a chance to win it. Belgium and France are both better than us that is pretty much a fact. But it's football the best team doesn't always win. If we can beat Croatia and get in that final we will have a chance. Come on England!
On July 09 2018 16:57 Greg_J wrote: I know it’s painful for English fans but let's remember the Euro's. Yeah, I know bummer. Sorry. Forget about England at the Euro’s and look at Portugal. That terrible Portugal side playing god awful football got a final against France by only beating Croatia, Poland (only on penalties) and Wales. They also finished third in the group not winning a game against Hungary, Iceland or Austria. Somehow Ronaldo fans use this as proof that Ronaldo is the best player and carries his team despite the fact he only scored one goal in the 4 knockout games and only 3 in total from 7 games against really poor sides. Anyway, enough Ronaldo bashing. The point I am trying to make is that Portugal were terrible got a lucky draw and took their chance against France! This is a positive story to emulate. There is hope for England. We can do it!
Where is the semi-finals thread?
Ronaldo fans use it because he won a title with Portugal. The how is forgotten 20+ years later
Right.
Marco Tardelli won a WC with Italy and scored in a Final. Clearly the GOAT.
On July 09 2018 17:35 Greg_J wrote: England are not the best team in the world right now by a long shot and no one is claiming we are. It's probably one of the worst teams we have ever sent. But we have the best chance in a long time. We are better than that Portugal side was and playing much more positive football I didn't mean to compare the football just the lucky draw and a poor team who have a chance to somehow fluke into a final. If you are in the final you have a chance to win it. Belgium and France are both better than us that is pretty much a fact. But it's football the best team doesn't always win. If we can beat Croatia and get in that final we will have a chance. Come on England!
On July 09 2018 16:57 Greg_J wrote: I know it’s painful for English fans but let's remember the Euro's. Yeah, I know bummer. Sorry. Forget about England at the Euro’s and look at Portugal. That terrible Portugal side playing god awful football got a final against France by only beating Croatia, Poland (only on penalties) and Wales. They also finished third in the group not winning a game against Hungary, Iceland or Austria. Somehow Ronaldo fans use this as proof that Ronaldo is the best player and carries his team despite the fact he only scored one goal in the 4 knockout games and only 3 in total from 7 games against really poor sides. Anyway, enough Ronaldo bashing. The point I am trying to make is that Portugal were terrible got a lucky draw and took their chance against France! This is a positive story to emulate. There is hope for England. We can do it!
Where is the semi-finals thread?
Ronaldo fans use it because he won a title with Portugal. The how is forgotten 20+ years later
Right.
I dunno man I think England this World Cup has been playing much better than they have been for the past two decades, even without a star-studded squad. Their game plan is simpler, but at least it's a clear plan with everyone contribution their bits --- and Sterling doing whatever the fuck he's doing. So saying that they're one of the worst teams is a bit harsh.