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On February 14 2018 07:06 sc-darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2018 07:03 Big J wrote:On February 14 2018 06:32 Plansix wrote: And thus sums up how Russia has been able to muck around with peoples elections and invade the Ukraine, holding cheap heating fuel and other natural resources over the heads of some nations. Well, what do you expect? We only have right-wing neoliberals and far-right neoconservative no-border parties that believe that freedom is the right of russian oligarchs to fuck over their own working people and then use that money to speculate on housing in the West in exchange for resources, while demanding that "our own" rich are finally allowed to assrape everyone with the West even more, so that they can "stay competitive". Though I guess I'm too harsh, some of the social-democrats and conservatives are just genuine esoterism-fanatics that believe that money is not a resource of its own and values and prices are not a matter of human demands and therefore of wealth, but just happen equally for some ying-yang reasons. US and Azerbaijan offer resources to the EU. Probably more countries that I don't know about. We need more diverse access.
I didn't know that the EU had a budget to buy resources.
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It has deals. Please stop with petty comments if you can't contribute.
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I doubt those deals are going to create the infrastructure to ship the gas to the countries that need it instantly. This type of stuff sometimes takes decades to set up and economies become dependent on those arraignments. That being said, the EU might want to think about dumping some money into getting nations to use other sources.
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I seem to remember some mumblings about reducing reliance on Russian gas after the Ukraine business
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You do not understand what I'm getting at, do you? The EU is a political institution, that I, in some very far-fetched way, may have some control over. It doesn't buy these resources. I don't buy these resources. 99.9% of the people don't buy these resources. So why should I or these people care? That's a liberal point of view. If you give me a contract (or a social contract, like a law) that says, if the EU allows potential buyers access to these resources, I get something, you might have a deal. But if you don't give me personally a guarantee then go fuck yourself with your free trade systems. Things have prices. If you don't want to pay me, don't demand that I accept something.
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Watch your language. Enough shitposting from you. I already expressed my view - you don't rely on a country with 19th century politics. You as a nation not you personally. If you want gas from them, but have to sacrifice something else like Europe's territory (Ukraine), then why is this a deal? You should know this better than everyone else since a guy with a mustache did something similar in the past. Maybe 1939 rings a bell?
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Ukraine isn't part of the EU. But the idea the idea of free trade only works with friendly states. There is a real problem for any nation that tries to preserve favorable trade deals with a openly hostile nation. There is no evidence that Putin is anything but hostile towards the European nations.
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Who cares if it's not in the EU? It's part of Europe. Today it might be Ukraine, tomorrow it could be another country.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
MARTIN NIEMÖLLER
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On February 14 2018 07:32 sc-darkness wrote: Watch your language. Enough shitposting from you. I already expressed my view - you don't rely on a country with 19th century politics. You as a nation not you personally. If you want gas from them, but have to sacrifice something else like Europe's territory (Ukraine), then why is this a deal?
I don't care too much about any form of strong collectivism. But I can't deny it's there, created through nations, currencies, languages and many other such things. And it has its merits. I don't want russian gas, but I can't make the EU or the respective countries make the reasonable decision, which is to increase spending massively into the resources that are under the control of the political entities that I have some control over (and through the proper wealth-based tax system). The US and Azerbaijan don't fit that description.
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This should clear some things up.
New rules to secure gas supplies in Europe bring more solidarity Brussels, 12 September 2017
The Commission welcomes the strong support by the European Parliament today to the new security of gas supply regulation. Its aim is to prevent potential gas supply crises and it applies the solidarity principle for the first time.
The new rules will put solidarity first when it comes to dealing with disruptions to gas supply. They ensure a regionally coordinated and common approach to security of supply measures among EU Member States. This places the EU in a better position to prepare for and manage gas shortages if a crisis occurs. The solidarity principle will apply. Member States will have to help their neighbours out in the event of a serious crisis so that European households do not stay in the cold. Securing energy supplies to European consumers is one of the cornerstones of the Energy Union, a key priority of the Juncker Commission.
European Commission Vice-President for the Energy Union Maroš Šefčovič said: "Energy security is one of the key elements of the Energy Union. In this context, solidarity, closer regional cooperation and greater transparency of gas contracts were at the heart of our strategy. Therefore, I welcome today's vote by the European Parliament. We have delivered on the promise to our citizens that they do not need to fear to be left in the cold in the future, while the industry kept on hold."
Commissioner for Climate Action and Energy Miguel Arias Cañete said: "Today's vote by the European Parliament strengthens the energy security in Europe and increases solidarity and cooperation between Member States. With the new rules, we are better equipped to prevent and handle potential gas crises. This makes us more effective, secures our energy supply and reduces costs for consumers."
Main improvements
Introduction of a solidarity principle: in the event of a severe gas crisis, neighbouring Member States will help out to ensure gas supply to households and essential social services. Closer regional cooperation: regional groups facilitate the joint assessment of common security of supply risks and the development and agreement on joint preventive and emergency measures. Greater transparency: Natural gas companies will have to notify long-term contracts that are relevant for security of supply (28% of the annual gas consumption in the Member State).
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-17-3203_en.htm
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On February 14 2018 07:36 Plansix wrote: Ukraine isn't part of the EU. But the idea the idea of free trade only works with friendly states. There is a real problem for any nation that tries to preserve favorable trade deals with a openly hostile nation. There is no evidence that Putin is anything but hostile towards the European nations.
The idea of free trade, like any other trade, only works if all participants have reasonable monetary systems. If your system only consists of the idea to pump more debt-based money into the system when the property-owners start undermining wages by taking more than is economcially sustainable then any form of trade system will degenerate into a network of rich people shoving money left and right to dodge any democratic control like taxes.
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On February 14 2018 07:40 sc-darkness wrote: Who cares if it's not in the EU? It's part of Europe. Today it might be Ukraine, tomorrow it could be another country.
I agree, I just wanted to clear up that it is not an EU member. I also agree that Putin is looking to see what country he can push into as some sort of protective action to protect the country from itself. This will be after they screw with that nation’s elections or something along those lines. And when there are articles like this:
http://time.com/4390090/istanbul-attack-russian-isis-militants/
You can’t help but wonder where these new Russian speaking ISIS members will attack next. But I bet it isn’t Russia.
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He died at 23:18 local time after having been sick for most of 2018. It was fairly expected - they even moved him from the hospital to their spring/fall residence "Fredensborg slot" yesterday to ensure he could die in peace.
A precarious issue is that he recently objected to being buried in Roskilde Domkirke (which is tradition) with Queen Margrethe II as he wasn't a king by title (a 25 million DKK sarcophagus had been prepared for them). At the same time it became publicly known that he suffered from dementia. However, the question remains whether to honour his wishes (probably) and if so, where to bury him (maybe near Chateau Cayx in France).
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On February 14 2018 07:51 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2018 07:40 sc-darkness wrote: Who cares if it's not in the EU? It's part of Europe. Today it might be Ukraine, tomorrow it could be another country.
I agree, I just wanted to clear up that it is not an EU member. I also agree that Putin is looking to see what country he can push into as some sort of protective action to protect the country from itself. This will be after they screw with that nation’s elections or something along those lines. And when there are articles like this: http://time.com/4390090/istanbul-attack-russian-isis-militants/You can’t help but wonder where these new Russian speaking ISIS members will attack next. But I bet it isn’t Russia. that just reeks of ignorance... so Russia sent its chechen terrorist buddies to attack its ally Turkey because ... Plansix feels empty without a tinfoil-hat?.
https://www.newsdeeply.com/syria/articles/2018/01/19/the-impact-of-chechen-and-north-caucasian-militants-in-syria...Chechen and North Caucasian militants began arriving in Syria at roughly the same time as other foreign fighters. As the conflict intensified in mid-2012, shifting to conventional warfare between regime and rebel forces, so too did the strength of radical groups and the appeal of Syria as the new frontline of jihad. Undoubtedly the first significant Chechen-headed armed group was Katibat al-Muhajireen, formed in summer 2012 and the precursor to the more famous Jaysh al-Muhajireen wal-Ansar. Their leader was Umar Shishani, the infamous Chechen commander of Georgian origin who would later rise through the ranks of the so-called Islamic State. Umar left the 700-strong group in early 2013, at which time he was replaced by another Chechen commander, Salahuddin Shishani.
Around this time, a crucial event occurred which spurred North Caucasian emigration to Syria. In August 2012, a group of roughly 20 militants was confronted by Georgian security forces as they attempted to cross the Russian border into Dagestan. In what became known as the “Lopota incident” (after the gorge where it occurred), half the militants were killed and the remainder dispersed in the ensuing firefight. Researchers have viewed this as a turning point, representing the last concerted effort by militants to invigorate the regional insurgency in the North Caucasus. This was reflected in the attitudes among the insurgency itself, with one fighter stating that jihad in the North Caucasus had become “1,000 times harder than in Syria.” From this point onwards, the Syrian theater becomes the focal point. and from your friend the CNN https://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/17/world/europe/chechnya-fast-facts/ ... August 24, 2004 - Two Russian passenger planes are blown up almost simultaneously, killing 89. August 31, 2004 - A female suicide bomber kills nine people and herself, and wounds 51 others, when she detonates a bomb outside a subway station in northeastern Moscow. September 1-5, 2004 - Armed attackers storm a school in Beslan, in southern Russia, and take at least 1,200 people hostage, including children. The hostage takers reportedly demand the release of more than two dozen prisoners and that Russia withdraw all of its forces from Chechnya. Some of the hostage takers are reportedly wearing explosives belts used in suicide bombings. September 2, 2004 - Some hostages are released. September 3, 2004 - Russian troops end a standoff at the Beslan school in which Chechen rebels had taken several hundred students, teachers and parents hostage. September 5, 2004 - The Russian government takes one suspect in custody as the death count stands at least 335 hostages, including 156 children, along with 26 hostage takers and 10 Russian special forces soldiers. September 17, 2004 - In an email message posted on the Chechen rebel website, Kavkazcenter.com, Chechen terrorist leader Shamil Basayev claims responsibility for several recent terrorist attacks in Russia, including the Moscow metro bombing, explosions aboard two passenger jets and the taking of hostages at a school in Beslan. July 2006 - Shamil Basayev is killed, but the exact details remain unclear. November 2006 - Abu-Khavs, described as the commander of all foreign fighters in the North Caucasus, is killed by security forces. June 2008 - According to UNICEF, since 1994, 700 people have been killed by landmines left over from the Chechnya-Russia Conflict. April 2009 - Russia declares an end to its 10-year anti-terror operation in Chechnya with the rebel movement largely quashed. March 29, 2010 - Female suicide bombers detonate explosives in two Moscow subway stations during morning rush hour. Russian officials suggest that Chechen separatists are to blame. August 28, 2010 - Chechnya announces the deaths of 12 militants and two police officers in a gunfight that saw 30 militants attack the home village of Chechen President Ramzan Kadyrov. October 19, 2010 - Three heavily armed men attack the parliament building in Grozny. Two police officers and a parliamentary aide are killed, with 17 people injured in the attack. February 7, 2011 - Chechen rebel leader Doku Umarov claims responsibility for the January 24, 2011 bombing of Moscow's Domodedovo Airport that killed 36 people. May 26, 2011 - The United States has added Caucasus Emirate, a Chechen group based in North Caucasus, to its list of terrorist groups. but the list goes on and on and on.
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Well, chances are the attacks wont be in Russia. I would take that bet though. For sure there are some Chechen fighters that do Russias biding (Kadyrov and co. people) they are likely to fight on Assad side as mercenaries. However to think that those who fight for ISIS/Al Nusra etc. would do as Russia say is utter nonsense.
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On February 14 2018 15:37 Ghostcom wrote: He died at 23:18 local time after having been sick for most of 2018. It was fairly expected - they even moved him from the hospital to their spring/fall residence "Fredensborg slot" yesterday to ensure he could die in peace.
A precarious issue is that he recently objected to being buried in Roskilde Domkirke (which is tradition) with Queen Margrethe II as he wasn't a king by title (a 25 million DKK sarcophagus had been prepared for them). At the same time it became publicly known that he suffered from dementia. However, the question remains whether to honour his wishes (probably) and if so, where to bury him (maybe near Chateau Cayx in France).
Possibly a dumb question does that mean he will receive a State funeral not in Denmark but in France?
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On February 14 2018 07:51 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2018 07:40 sc-darkness wrote: Who cares if it's not in the EU? It's part of Europe. Today it might be Ukraine, tomorrow it could be another country.
I agree, I just wanted to clear up that it is not an EU member. I also agree that Putin is looking to see what country he can push into as some sort of protective action to protect the country from itself. This will be after they screw with that nation’s elections or something along those lines. And when there are articles like this: http://time.com/4390090/istanbul-attack-russian-isis-militants/You can’t help but wonder where these new Russian speaking ISIS members will attack next. But I bet it isn’t Russia.
Why don't u wanna clarify that u don't give a shit about Ukraine at all sitting on the other side of the ocean? And I don't mind since it's reasonable at least from such perspective.
And yes, my country is weak by lot's of means, but younger generation does not want to fall in a state of USSR once again. So I guess it would be more beneficial in long terms not to ignore complex problems here, which again my country unable to solve by itself due to our harsh past and history as well as not the best economical situation.
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On February 14 2018 07:51 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2018 07:40 sc-darkness wrote: Who cares if it's not in the EU? It's part of Europe. Today it might be Ukraine, tomorrow it could be another country.
You can’t help but wonder where these new Russian speaking ISIS members will attack next. But I bet it isn’t Russia.
Why wouldn't it be Russia? Russia has had its fair share of Islamic terrorism.
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On February 14 2018 22:58 Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2018 07:51 Plansix wrote:On February 14 2018 07:40 sc-darkness wrote: Who cares if it's not in the EU? It's part of Europe. Today it might be Ukraine, tomorrow it could be another country.
I agree, I just wanted to clear up that it is not an EU member. I also agree that Putin is looking to see what country he can push into as some sort of protective action to protect the country from itself. This will be after they screw with that nation’s elections or something along those lines. And when there are articles like this: http://time.com/4390090/istanbul-attack-russian-isis-militants/You can’t help but wonder where these new Russian speaking ISIS members will attack next. But I bet it isn’t Russia. Why don't u wanna clarify that u don't give a shit about Ukraine at all sitting on the other side of the ocean? And I don't mind since it's reasonable at least from such perspective. And yes, my country is weak by lot's of means, but younger generation does not want to fall in a state of USSR once again. So I guess it would be more beneficial in long terms not to ignore complex problems here, which again my country unable to solve by itself due to our harsh past and history as well as not the best economical situation. I give a shit about you and your country that same way I give a shit about every other country in the EU. I am not foolish enough to believe Putin and his goons would stop with your country. Or that it would not impact me in the US. I just need to look to the war in Syria and how it impacted US politics to see that none of us will be able to ignore what happens.
On February 14 2018 23:50 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2018 07:51 Plansix wrote:On February 14 2018 07:40 sc-darkness wrote: Who cares if it's not in the EU? It's part of Europe. Today it might be Ukraine, tomorrow it could be another country.
You can’t help but wonder where these new Russian speaking ISIS members will attack next. But I bet it isn’t Russia. Why wouldn't it be Russia? Russia has had its fair share of Islamic terrorism. I will freely admit I could be wrong, but it seems easier for Russia and Putin to push these groups to attack anyone else but Russia. They know they can’t really eliminate terrorists, so try to motivate them to attack anyone else but Russia. I don’t believe they would have a 100% success rate, but they don’t really need that. It is a very cold war style tactic that I expect them to go back to. But again, I could be completely wrong and I will freely admit that.
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