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On March 17 2017 07:01 Eden1892 wrote: We're in setup A Huh... | ||
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On March 17 2017 07:01 Calix wrote: Cheaters prosper and all that malarkey. You town this time? Yeah, finally. | ||
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Cop, Doc vs. Goon, Roleblocker, Framer ? | ||
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On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote: Hello my sexy people. I have miiiiiissed some of you very much. As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation. As for right now xata is scum. ##vote xatalos You have the same reason as me, but the opposite conclusion ##vote Damdred | ||
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On March 17 2017 07:29 Damdred wrote: I think dinformation is taking out votes seriously even though there is a voting thread. Oh, right. I still don't quite get the post with "Xatalos was like...". | ||
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On March 17 2017 07:25 disformation wrote: Was expecting something better tbh. Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?" What does this mean? | ||
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On March 17 2017 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mrrrrglllll!! = lolrayn | ||
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On March 17 2017 07:34 disformation wrote: who? eden or xata? dont think i have played with eden before. opening is 50/50. tries to give the thread something to work with and gtfos. it is mechanical/setup talk though, so easy to do as scum. xata biting immediately is only something i found after reading his posts like 3 times with a "why could he be scum" mindset. Hmmm.... Could you elaborate on how you came to the conclusion that scum Xata would post what I did? My post and your summary of it also didn't seem to resemble each other very much. | ||
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On March 17 2017 07:03 Xatalos wrote: Does setup A mean: Cop, Doc vs. Goon, Roleblocker, Framer ? become this? On March 17 2017 07:25 disformation wrote: Was expecting something better tbh. Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?" | ||
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On March 17 2017 07:42 disformation wrote: Where did I say that Xat's response is more likely scum? I said I read his filter with a "why could he be scum" mindset, to see where damdred could be coming from. -.- Care to elaborate on your thought process with how you summarised my reaction to Eden's claim(?). | ||
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On March 17 2017 07:44 disformation wrote: wtf that smiley thing was damdy and I already explained what i got from the filter. Not really... | ||
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On March 17 2017 07:43 Damdred wrote: Fuck I want to townread xata for us posting same things near each otger. But it's kinda lessens because it's about him. Decisions decisions. Dw, you'll be my eternal suspect. | ||
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I'm Extraordinary Xatalos today though. | ||
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Mainly just that I posted "huh" and "was this the claimed setup? X". Then you went on to say that I had made some far-reaching(?) conclusions about his alignment when I hadn't really said anything.........? | ||
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The question remains on how exactly did you interpret my reaction the way you did....? | ||
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On March 17 2017 07:49 Xatalos wrote: Mainly just that I posted "huh" and "was this the claimed setup? X". Then you went on to say that I had made some far-reaching(?) conclusions about his alignment when I hadn't really said anything.........? | ||
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On March 17 2017 07:01 Eden1892 wrote: We're in setup A On March 17 2017 07:03 Xatalos wrote: Does setup A mean: Cop, Doc vs. Goon, Roleblocker, Framer ? On March 17 2017 07:25 disformation wrote: Was expecting something better tbh. Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?" I just can't wrap my mind around how did the first 3 posts (all the relevant posts to the last) post result in the conclusion/interpretation of the events made in the last post? | ||
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On March 17 2017 07:56 Calix wrote: Okay, I'm starting to think you're mafia from your reactions here. Nothing to do with what you're saying, really, it's more that you sound very tense and defensive and like you have a massive stick up your arse for no real reason once people started engaging with you. It's a different vibe from what I get from Damdred and Xatalos who seem more chill and willing to get shit done. ##vote disformation Kind of agree... | ||
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On March 17 2017 08:05 Damdred wrote: Ok let me take a whack at it. You summarize things about xata saying that Eden is either a blue or bsing. Data didn't say either of those things. Why did you say them and where did you get them from. | ||
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On March 17 2017 08:26 DeepBlueSea89 wrote: I'm a little confused by the voting system here. Why are people voting in thread when there's a separate thread specifically for voting? Am I supposed to vote in both threads? It's completely optional to vote in the actual thread. Only votes in the voting thread count. | ||
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On March 17 2017 08:41 Calix wrote: FWIW I feel like this entire discussion is pure so I cannot be arsed to contribute much until something new happens. It's not really based on filter-diving or whatever. I just feel like everyone who is talking right now is posting without an agenda and is just saying what they have so far and is being reasonable and helping the town. So imo we shouldn't lynch among Xat/ DD/ Koshi/ Blue today. Does this sound really premature? Maybe but that's my impressions of the 'atmosphere' of the game so far so I'm pretty confident here. Don't feel like the chat is very mafia-influenced right now. If this doesn't make sense then ask away. I feel like a hippie right now xD No, that's mostly what I felt as well. Only disformation felt a bit out of place so far. Dunno about rayn yet since he only trolled for now. Damdred is my eternal suspect, but at least I don't see any good reason for lynching him at this point. I'll let you know when I have one | ||
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On March 17 2017 08:45 Koshi wrote: disformation hasn't made a really bad post yet. Damdred made 2. Which ones? | ||
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On March 17 2017 08:48 Calix wrote: Who needs one really bad post when you can have a generally crappy overall filter? Kinda surprised you haven't picked up on how incredibly defensive disformation was tbqh. His opening posts were blendy, then he segued into a hard-to-follow discussion, then reacted poorly to my 'questioning' and then fucked off. I don't see how Damdred is comparable. But yeah.. Pretty much. | ||
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On March 17 2017 09:01 Koshi wrote: Does anybody understands the logic? Both bolded things look bad. I don't understand what the first sentence is about. I dislike the wording on the read on Deepblue. Too many words. It's just bad. Same with what pinged rayn. "I know what x did is wifom, what do you think?" AFAIK the first post was just a joke aimed at me (he always wants to suspect me no matter what, so it's "uncomfortable" to be in "sync" with me lol). I don't really see how changing the subject when disformation went AFK or giving a weak scumread on Deep for unsubstantiated townreads are scummy things to do. I could easily have made the same posts myself. At that point in time Deep had yet to explain much, but then he went on to do so, starting to seem more townie as time went on. All in all, the case seems pretty NAI. | ||
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On March 17 2017 09:59 Damdred wrote: Xata started as a gut read from his first playful banter. He generally as scum is pretty tense non fluid and kinda lacks much in the way of anything. I felt he was the opposite at the start, he flowed with the game thread was involved and tried to understand players. I thought he looked town tbh. Calix is a dick (lovable ) as town and is more free with the town reads. As scum hedges and is more middle of the road. Here really I involved even early trying to ferret out people. I liked it early and liked thebdickishness that was displayed towards koshi trying to get him to play. Also for the record I think disf probably going to be town. Seems legit confused atvpoints, has time to back pedal and just explain and would get pressure off him but doesn't do it and just moved straight ahead. I still would like some explanation from him but yeahbi don't think scum woulddd play to bring that much attention to himself without trying to be it of him before he leaves. (Sorts bad read by hownibfeel) A miracle.... Anyway, to me it felt exactly like he was trying to evade/deflect attention, but without being very successful. Then he left, which achieved that goal for the time being. So.. what does "moves straight ahead" mean? | ||
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On March 17 2017 11:29 Tumblewood wrote: ik damdred likes town circles but come on this is too early to read vets calix and deepblue are eh but who am i to criticize that. just xata/koshi/damdy/rayn are way too early to read Rayn, in town circle? Hasn't he been just null/scum read by everyone? What were your reads on me/Koski/Damdred then? | ||
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On March 17 2017 18:50 Koshi wrote: Can you focus on other things? What about our 3 visitors? Not much of an impression of any of them. I remember Tumbleweed had a slightly worrying post where he complained about people being townread (even some that actually weren't?) without providing his own thoughts on the players. Foley seemed okay from what I remember. Nothing to judge their alignments with any confidence. | ||
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And how is Damdred's reasoning worse than.... nothing pulled out of thin air? (granted, Damdred was joking, but you clearly thought he was serious back then) | ||
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1) made that post in the first place, describing I said things I didn't 2) even now consider that post as "weak evidence", even though you basically made it up | ||
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Sorry, rayn, I don't know what you were saying until your recent posts. I thought your Murloc posts were trolling and the Batman post maybe had some non-important reads hidden within (if it was important, it wouldn't be hidden to begin with). | ||
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On March 17 2017 23:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay i'll stop because i don't like put 1 hr effort into my posts that could be written in 5 minutes. First of all there is this: Now the red part doesn't make any sense since the green part is the correct answer here. There is absolutely no reason to ask disformation WHAT he thinks of what Eden did. You either call him mafia for making something out of something NAI (which disformation didn't) or you realize it doesn't mean anything. If you want to ask something, you ask "why are you making something out of a thing that's completely not alignment indigative?". Basically what Damdred did is he gave disformation a question where every answer disformation can possibly give is wrong. And that's not what townies do. Also this is very much bs right here. He is either saying: - DBS is a suspect because he hasn't posted for 12 hrs (which is jsut bullshit), or - it's not actually alignment indicative (which makes the "read" bullshit) Second order of business is this post: I have huge problems with the red parts in this post. Last game Malongo played he went straight to scumhunting. This game (which is also closer to his last scumgame here). The red flags are: - There is no reason to call Darthfoley town just because he is calling Malongo mafia - There is no reason to assume disformation and Damdred are town just because there are people voting for them The same thing appears in Malongo's scumgame. He finds some NAI narrative that makes no sense at all and makes "reads" based on it. He isn't basically trying to find mafia. He is just talking nonsense. The third thing that sticks out to me is Xatalos. There are a couple of problems in his posting: - He thinks i am trolling (which he should know i never am), well not really trolling, he thought i wasn't saying anything when clearly i was in every single one of my posts - I don't see any sort of direction in his posting, basically i don't understand what he is doing - He has somehow come to a conclusion that everyone is scum/null reading me which is not true since only Malongo is "scum"reading me and Koshi is clearly townreading me Other than that: DBS is quite clearly town Koshi is town Calix is most likely just over-eager town I don't have any problems with disformation I don't have any problems with Darthfoley I don't have any problems with Tumblewood Onegu is his basic non-entity-self I somehow thought Eden could possibly be town for his opener but i am not sure why anymore. So idk about him. I don't like this post much. It basically feels like forced/fake aggro. Pushing a pool of players with any reason, no matter how (in)significant, just to push them. 1) The Damdred part is very weak. First of all, it's a bit too much to say that Eden's opening was obviously 100% NAI. In addition, even if it was 100% NAI, it's not a scummy thing to ask people for opinions on a sudden "big event". Their reaction could be possibly more significant than the event itself. Especially if there isn't much else to talk about yet. 2) On second thoughts, the Malongo part isn't that bad. Just not strong/convincing. 3) As for the points on me... I'm not sure how not decrypting his roleplaying posts or "not having an agenda" are scummy things to do. I would think the scum team would be much more likely to do either of those. I assumed the votes were troll votes since they were unreasoned and accompanied by Murloc sounds. (Rayn: I must have missed Koshi town reading you. Not sure if it was before my post though. In any case, an exception doesn't overrule the general sentiment.) -> At first I was half-convinced rayn was scum, but now I'm not sure again. | ||
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Damdred NO Disfo YEA(?) Mal MAYBE(?) rayn MAYBE MAYBE(?) Tumble MAYBE(?) | ||
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Calix NO Foley NO(?) | ||
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On March 18 2017 00:44 darthfoley wrote: + Show Spoiler + my contextual use of the word anal in my previous post leaves a lot to be desired >.> | ||
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On March 18 2017 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't. The last part makes no sense and is not a reason to "doubt" anyone. The Tumble read is also bad (as you pointed it out now). There is nothing weird in saying "these people are too good to be read town early on for their posting". There is nothing wrong in that. There is nothing interesting in that, it doesn't mean anything since Tumble just pointed out (in case he is town - which i am quite sure he is) what he believes to be true, and it makes sense. Hmm. I guess that's an OK point. | ||
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On March 18 2017 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not sure where he made up something, could you point me out to that? Being defensive/tense has nothing to do with alignment. On phone right now, but read my filter - later part | ||
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On March 18 2017 01:02 disformation wrote: kinda confused myself now. cause i made a pretty big/nice post trying to explain all that stuff earlier. Which in turn made me even more confused than at the start >.> But I kind of gave up on trying to understand, since apparently there was no real thought behind it | ||
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On March 18 2017 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disformation is not mafia. Even if what Xatalos says is right no mafia jsut straight up makes up shit on some random person at the start of the game. I thought he lost track of his supposed thoughts / real events and too forcibly twisted the narrative or something. But now I'm not sure anymore. It's a big cluster*. | ||
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On March 18 2017 01:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: So disformation, explain this very concisely. Why did you pull something out of thin air? | ||
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On March 18 2017 01:32 disformation wrote: as I said I was trying to figure out why damdred could be scumreading xatalos. the only thing that xatalos had was his reaction to the setup stuff from eden. so i was like "well what could be scummy in that?" thats what i came up with after following that line of thought. But how did my posts, which had no mention of Eden's alignment, cause you to describe it as me attributing alignments to Eden....? | ||
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"Hey, Xata is getting scumread... how could I help it along?" "Uh, there's nothing" "Let's twist the facts in my favor a bit to make him look worse(?)" "Oh, it was a joke... RIP me" | ||
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How could Damdred possibly think that when there was nothing related do that in the thread | ||
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Oh well. Maybe we should just ignore this soon. I'm rapidly losing confidence that it's anything related to your alignment. | ||
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In any case unvote. It makes more sense now that it was all about explaining Damdred's possible motivations rather than "throwing dirt" at me to support a wagon. | ||
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On March 17 2017 10:18 Malongo wrote: I think we are in the same team tbh. You quote still sucks anyways. My general read is pretty weak at this point. I don´t like how fast Damdred and disformation are piling up ealry. I would rather find a third way because we may be making mafia life too easy. So I propose lynching Ryan. Not that I find him specially scummy but I don´t want to play with a troll for a second time. ##ryanpelikoneet Everything else es just nonsense for me at this point. rayn, you said that your suspicion of Malongo was based on this post and how he did these.... - There is no reason to call Darthfoley town just because he is calling Malongo mafia - There is no reason to assume disformation and Damdred are town just because there are people voting for them 1) The way I read it, Malongo said that foley was town DESPITE calling him scum, not the other way around. How did you come to that conclusion? How does that even make sense? 2) Malongo didn't even say that they're town, just that he'd prefer to get alternative voting action? All in all, it's just so.... weak. Almost as weak as the reads on Damdred/me. Is this really the best you got to push with apparent confidence? | ||
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On March 18 2017 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean this: IS completely untrue unless he explains how i am doing wht he says i am. It just reminded me of how you started a couple of your scumgames... With weakly reasoned, but (fake) confident pushes on several players. As town you've tended to be more calm and objective (until you see red and totally flip until you get your target lynched... lol). If I had to say, you'd lean more on the scum side of your meta, especially that big early post. For now I'll wait and see. | ||
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On March 18 2017 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: youre twisting the obvious conclusion here. Hm, you mean that he's scum and teamed with disfo/Damdred and pocketing foley or something? Maybe that's possible, but as well it could be that he just townread foley from his earlier posts and doesn't want to focus only on 2 players? | ||
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On March 18 2017 03:49 Damdred wrote: Idk what to do with rayn he's ignoring all of my posts but keeping the same conclusion. For everyone else is what I'm saying making sense or am I just Looney? Well, you're always scum anyway so it's the inevitable conclusion (Seriously though, I have yet to understand rayn's fixation on you. Your early question certainly didn't make you scum like rayn said and you've participated/answered to different things decently enough IMO.) | ||
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I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly. I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. | ||
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Tumble's vote thingy was pretty odd. Very weak (non-existent?) reasoning for his lynch pick.. and then just leaving the vote there? That, and not really doing much despite a decent amount of posts. I'll probably vote for him in a while - AFK for a couple of hours at least now. | ||
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On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote: Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical? rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch. | ||
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On March 19 2017 00:41 Damdred wrote: Like I have only problems with df on this wagon. 1) Comes into the thread and blasts calix early and never really retracts from that. But is voting with 2/3 of his scum reads on his other scum read without really questioning the validity of the wagon I the people on the wagon. 2) Has very little talking points on mal in his filter that would indicate a scum read. I'm fact it seems likely basis for the read is actually rayns read. (Just as an aside I kinda said the same things about mal right after he posted but df kinda ignores this and scum reads me but puts rayn super high in his town list. I know he scum reads me for cordial interactions with calix which isbadreasoning but meh). 3) In his filter calix is his biggest read but just sheep's rayn instead of trying to push his read. Like idk just kind of a weird filter and his vote on mal seems a bit... opportunistic at this point. Hmm. I still have yet to evaluate foley with any confidence. Kind of been under my radar most of the time. | ||
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On March 19 2017 00:49 disformation wrote: been mulling over tw vs mal, but its a bit bleh. mal posting 0 reads looks more like scum giving up and not wanting to give town more info to me. liked damdreds idea about looking at the ppl on the wagon. but i am pretty much cool with everyone on it. maybe should look at df's filter again. not sure if i remember correct, but werent you on a scumteam with calix somewhat recently? i think damdred mentioned that calix doesnt look like in her last scum game. agree/disagree? I probably was... but my memory is hazy. I'll need to recheck that game to answer. | ||
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On March 19 2017 00:51 disformation wrote: i think rayn's preferred lynch has been damdred for quite some time now? Maybe, but he doesn't seem to care if it's Mal instead? | ||
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On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote: Yeah, about that. I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me. And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case. In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be. @Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read? Well, it's not like I think you're sure scum like he implied or anything. Just that his reasoning kind of made sense to me. You did jump to scumread him very quickly, and a bit too strongly considering the reasoning (tone) maybe... and kind of left the wagon to roll until it died? And abandoned the wagon just like that even though your other points weren't really addressed, just the confusion part that I was mostly suspicious of? Dunno. I can see the scum motivation in that. But then again, you've been pretty active and contributing very, so I don't have any motivation to pursue the matter. | ||
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On March 19 2017 00:59 Calix wrote: Yeah, it was that Newbie game where we hardcore bussed Lunatic D1 and then we bumbled along, failing to kill the TPRs, before I turned into a whiny bitch and asked to concede Ohhh yeah, it was that game. Haha... somehow mixed your name with someone else. Can't really remember much of the details in that game though. Should probably recheck a bit. | ||
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On March 19 2017 01:12 Calix wrote: Sure, Eden's posts didn't consider my later interactions with disformation or anything else I've done but that's not necessarily AI if he just found my early play scummy. I don't think Eden 'not doing much since there' means anything. He clearly put a sizable amount of effort into the posts he did make (outside of the bullshit claim stuff). In fact, all these 'well people haven't done much' posts don't mean a great deal right now. It's D1. If someone was amazing on D1 and then tanked overnight then using this sort of logic would make more sense but right now? Nah. I have explained that already. I found disformation stuck out compared to everyone else because of his tone and voted him based on that. Given that it got shit going, I have no regrets there I was actually AFK while all of that shit over disformation was going down yesterday but you wouldn't have known that. I said on several occasions that I would reconsider disformation if he started contributing on his own terms, which he did, so I unvoted when I got back. No point in hounding him much more at that point since it would just distract him if he is town, you know? Hm yeah, I guess so. Still it seemed a bit fast how you dropped it even though you had added a couple of other reasons to scumread him during that and your scumread seemed to be getting stronger until it suddenly disappeared? Dunno. I'm not lunching you at this point regardless | ||
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On March 19 2017 02:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is nothing "weak" in my case on Malongo especially if you go and read how he approaches games as town and mafia. This is not how he does it as town. I am kinda waffling on Xatalos and Eden. I can't understand why Xatalos jsut calls me scum without actually calling me scum or even trying to interact me. Basically he is not touching my cases at all he just calls them bad and then says i can be scum for it but isn't sure (and again -- then does nothing with it). I am very sceptical he does that as town because it doesn't make any sense, especially for a player who is really interested in pushing a lynch on me if he thinks i am mafia. I can't understand why Eden townreads me because he shouldn't as per what he writes. I've made at least a couple of posts debunking your cases. | ||
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On March 19 2017 03:01 Eden1892 wrote: ##UNVOTE This firewall tanked my mafia time last night and this morning almost certainly going to be gone at EOD as well, wedding in ~3 hrs. I think my case on Calix still has merit, but I can see no one was really interested, and I know I don't have time to push it through the more active players today, so I'm going to shelve it and make my vote more useful. I disagree with your reads all the time lol. I've learned not to let that affect my read on you. My heuristics might be outdated, but when you're mafia you tend to be disproportionately forceful in tone compared to the strength of your argument. You'll push speculative reasons as though they were absolute fact and effectively bully-pulpit the thread and shove people into lining up behind you. When you're town, whether or not I agree with your direction in the thread, I at least get the sense that you're treating your arguments with the respect they deserve instead of demanding an undue amount of it from the other players. I think your play this game has been much more in line with the town description than the mafia description. I bet you'll even agree. So even though I don't like your Malongo case or Xatalos scumread, I can still easily be comfortable calling you town. As for Damdred, I didn't say that I don't think he's mafia, just that he didn't make an impression one way or another. I'm still not really prepared to say that he isn't, either. Just seems like he's said a lot of words and made a lot of posts, but very little has made a strong impression either way. I'll go and reread his filter and try to develop a more crystallized opinion of him for you though, since that's your wagon for today and I trust your motivations. I can kind of agree with how you're metaing rayn - but are you sure about the conclusion that he's giving his reads the "appropriate amount of force"? To me it's felt like he's pushed them with a little too much confidence compared to their strengths. | ||
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On March 19 2017 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: EBWOP: What you are debunking here i am not arguing is something that makes Damdred mafia so all you have said is you don't understand my case. debunked? Please explain your Damdred case better then. I went on to be more critical of your Malongo case later on. I can find that post for you if you want.... | ||
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On March 18 2017 03:33 Xatalos wrote: rayn, you said that your suspicion of Malongo was based on this post and how he did these.... - There is no reason to call Darthfoley town just because he is calling Malongo mafia - There is no reason to assume disformation and Damdred are town just because there are people voting for them 1) The way I read it, Malongo said that foley was town DESPITE calling him scum, not the other way around. How did you come to that conclusion? How does that even make sense? 2) Malongo didn't even say that they're town, just that he'd prefer to get alternative voting action? All in all, it's just so.... weak. Almost as weak as the reads on Damdred/me. Is this really the best you got to push with apparent confidence? | ||
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On March 19 2017 03:33 Calix wrote: Didn't he already explain his Damdred logic like, ten times when he was interacting with me earlier? I'd look at that. I'd rather you explain YOUR Rayn scum-read better, actually. I'm not confident that he's scum, but usually when he's adamant about pushing weak cases he's scum. That's what triggered my lingering suspicion after his big case post. | ||
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On March 19 2017 03:37 Eden1892 wrote: I didn't explain this well. When I say "force" I'm not referring to confidence - ray always has this in spades. What I mean is that he tends as mafia to treat people like total morons if they dissent from him, whereas you can see here that he's not being degrading or demeaning toward people who disagree Hmmm.... Maybe you have a point. He's actually trying to explain things. As scum he's tended to just ignore / push me if I've opposed him, kind of trying to bury me / others under his posts. | ||
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On March 19 2017 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Damdred had an opinion of the Eden opening being NAI. Then he asked disformation something about it, when where every answer disformation can give leads to the same thing -> "scummy Damdred already thought "Eden's opener is NAI" (which is what he said), he also though "dismormation thinks something about it" which means whatever disformation says he thinks of it SHOULD lead to same conclusion for Damdred. - bad town ("no, it's NAI") - scum ("no it's NAI") - NAI ("but you already implied it means something?????") Basically he should have a conclusion (whatever one) even before the question (and answer). The question cannot help you figure out disformation's alignment better so the only reason for the question is to be active and talk about something completely useless. Like if i asked you "Xatalos do you prefer ice cream or ketchup better?" and implied "this is totally something that helps me figuring out your alignment" what would you think? Totes reasonable? I agree it's not the best question, but I don't agree it makes him scum. It was pretty much the only meaningful thing that had happened back then, so it's not unreasonable to ask someone for their opinion on that. Even if the original post doesn't tell much, someone's reaction to it might. It's not uncommon for myself to ask questions that may not be hugely important at the start to get something going. | ||
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On March 19 2017 03:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: If someone says this: ...they literally have to think both of the wagons are town otherwise this in itself doesn't make any fucking sense at all. So there it is, you didn't really debunk anything. At least the first point wasn't really worth anything. The second might, possibly - but I don't think it's inherently scummy to think of alternative wagons even if you're not 100% sure that both of the top wagons are town. Townieness is a scale, not yes/no. | ||
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On March 19 2017 03:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: The problem is the post looks like it actually is something he finds relevant. It's not just some random throwaway question people can do at the start of the game. It's a very detailed question instead. Hmmm.... I didn't take it that way. Looked more of a "reaction test" / discussion starter to me? | ||
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On March 19 2017 03:57 Calix wrote: Dunno but this current discussion is sure unproductive. For Damdred, the best thing that he can do is to scum-hunt normally (which I think he's been doing tbh). As for Rayn, harping on about a post where you essentially accuse someone of scum-slipping is unproductive after a certain point IMO. Since you think they slipped, they have no chance of persuading you otherwise and it just frustrates the accused player, regardless of alignment. And it won't persuade anyone new, as said. So moving onto a different topic/ part of Damdred's posting/ whatever is a great idea for everyone involved! I don't think it's entirely unproductive? rayn pushed Damdred so hard that I kind of wanted to see if it was based on genuine thought. It sort of feels like he might believe what he's saying. But it hasn't convinced me at all... Meh. Overall I don't think scum can be "catched" based on a single not-so-great question that could come from either town or scum IMO. Both town and scum often make stupid questions - much more stupid ones than that one. It would be good to hear if there's something else important against Damdred though. I've probably forgot if there was. | ||
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On March 19 2017 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well then i don't have to say anything anymore today. Did you have something else against Damdred other than that (debatably meaningful) question he asked at game start? Enlighten me. | ||
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On March 19 2017 04:07 Calix wrote: Xatalos, did you find the arguments for Tweedledumb's townieness unconvincing? Just wondering since you are still voting for him and I can't remember if you responded to those or not. Hm? I've probably missed/forgot something since I was reading on my phone in fast sessions all day. Didn't you just recently call him scummy though? At least some hours ago. | ||
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On March 19 2017 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Normally Damdred has some good reads (or at least really townie thought processes on reads). I don't see any of it here. Like he usually feels happy(?) that he finds townreads and here it's just some random lists of some people and asking if people disagree... It's just... unsmart. Hmmmmmm..... Not necessarily scummy though..... I'd say he's something along the lines of null at worst, not sure scum based on your reasons... | ||
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On March 19 2017 04:13 darthfoley wrote: That was my case, I believe. Yeah, that was it.. Well, it's not a bad result if we lynch Mal now. There's a chance of hitting scum and at least it's one worry off our minds. He even claimed VT so it shouldn't be a blue... But then again, would scum claim VT in this situation? And be pushed so easily to death? It all leaves me with the gut feeling that he's just a clueless green going to his death. | ||
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On March 19 2017 04:15 Calix wrote: Yeah I did but then Rayn made this town case and Tweedledumb responded with some paranoia on Rayn (the only person who really town-reads him) which looked townie to me. Pretty sure disformation picked up on it too. As for your point about the stale wagon, I would be inclined to agree but none of today's wagons have 'picked up' really. Disformation's took a while to get going while Damdred's has been sitting with 2-3 votes all day. I don't think it means a lot. If Malongo flips town then it becomes a lot more interesting though. But I don't see any reason in his posts to think that, he's been talked about a lot and he hasn't done anything. He's the superior lynch for today by miles. Hmmm.... In the case of rayn/Tumble scum it would make sense though, to distance from rayn without losing/risking anything...? But if we assume rayn is town, then it's probably not very sensible for Tumble to accuse rayn here.. | ||
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On March 19 2017 04:21 Damdred wrote: I don't get how I'm not saying smart things when rayn isbliterallyvrepeating what I say after I did about mal and picking up things about Eden and my scum read on him. Holy shit and xata is agreeing with him and troops me to null. Is thisnliterally real fucking life. At least df has a legit reason to come arte me sing I wan arte him and I was on his scum list. Which btw df my reason for voting mal was calling me and disf town voting rayn without any real explanation. Which I said first. I'm leaving because I can't even this thread right now. rayn didn't convince me on you or anything. I've basically disagreed with all his arguments, at least to a major extent. It's just that I can't put you as sure town since you're a bit of a hard read for me | ||
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On March 19 2017 04:23 darthfoley wrote: Hasn't he played on TL mafia before though? Correct me if i'm wrong, but he doesn't seem to be some noob who doesn't know what he's doing and gets overwhelmed. I think he may just have given up and is trying to save face. Although the fact that both Calix and Damdred are voting for him (thanks for the reminder Damdred!) makes me nervous as well Maybe he's scum and the scumteam just decided to bus him somewhat early on, I guess. That could be a possible way how this happened. Still... | ||
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On March 19 2017 04:25 Calix wrote: Unless you have some incredibly airtight evidence for a pre-flip association between raynpelikoneet and Tweedledumb, I don't care to consider this scenario. It's just something that was pestering in the back of my mind a while ago. rayn said some soft defense type of thing on Tumble and pushed the other "weak targets". Nothing airtight for sure haha Maybe he's just paranoid town though. Dunno. | ||
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On March 19 2017 04:30 darthfoley wrote: I mean I have a few theories depending on Malongo's flip but they're all useless until he flips. I think Tumblewood did some stats a while back that said that D1 lynches are like 75% mislynches, and I would be prefer, if we are gonna be wrong, to be wrong on someone who isn't really playing the game, but has made some scummy points (rather than Rels or Onegu for example), than someone who is being more active and therefore creating more opportunities for contradictions/slip ups/evidence for the town to analyze later on. Not the worst plan. | ||
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On March 19 2017 06:35 darthfoley wrote: Part of me is starting to sip the Xata kool aid that rayn's push on damdred seems off super not passionate and only focusing on one exchange instead of trying to use the rest of his filter. Hmph Yeah. In the first place the thing was pretty NAI. No way it made Damdred 100% scum. But rayn just continued to push that one point... Without really adding anything new/important or giving satisfactory explanations. And apparently both Damdred and Malongo were fine even though Damdred was much more scummier to him (why..?). | ||
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On March 19 2017 06:42 Calix wrote: Not gonna lie, I kicked around the idea that we were dealing with a scum!rayn who was distancing from scum!Malongo while pushing a town wagon (Damdred) which would explain why he kept pushing Damdred on this one point so much. But I don't think it holds up. He never really resisted Mal wagon though and supported it as well. More likely they're both town with scum!rayn. | ||
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On March 19 2017 06:51 Tumblewood wrote: you're probably right at deadline I think I'll just switch to malongo because shenanigans are almost as scary as regular bad lynches Calling rayn-Tumble scumteam for post-game credit though just because of this post | ||
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On March 19 2017 06:54 Tumblewood wrote: noooo stop it I'm trying to break out of my bussing meta Looks like you're having a tough time | ||
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On March 19 2017 06:55 Calix wrote: CFDs hit scum? lol what blessed games have you been playing? XD From my experience, they lead to a domino chain of unnecessary claims and drama. And a lot of unnecessary talk on whether the claims are real or not, yadda yadda yadda. Luck plays a role, I guess. But scumteam has no time to plan anything, so it's much easier to make mistakes. Town make no mistakes in voting logic like that etc. | ||
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On March 19 2017 06:57 darthfoley wrote: Very much agree. Like why even come back if you're okay but not okay but still okay with the primary lynch wagon rofl | ||
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On March 19 2017 06:56 disformation wrote: they can hit scum. i also have seen cfd kill blues, cause there was no time to claim. Yeah, I guess that's a point in favor of getting Mal now.. | ||
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On March 19 2017 07:46 ritoky wrote: Lol what anime is that? Anyways at least we have an easy mislynch out of the way early and all blues still in action... Unless it's the all vanilla setup. And maybe some more information based on the flip / EOD events. I'm still intrigued by the rayn/Tumble scumteam theory, but it's much too early to speculate about that. Would be nice to check/shoot/lynch one of them sooner rather than later though. Although rayn is now Tumble's top scumread, so it'll be interesting to see how that plays out. Did the read change significantly with Malongo's flip, Tumble? | ||
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On March 19 2017 08:05 Damdred wrote: You always got for your scum read no matter how useful they are as town. Who disagrees with this statement? I guess it depends on the strength of your reads though. Like if we look at statistics, I think Malongo had coin-flippy odds of being scum. Both Tumble and rayn a bit higher than that. But both Tumble and rayn could potentially be blues (unlike Malongo), and they were doing more in the thread than Malongo, so I could tolerate Malongo especially over Damdred, who I think had less than coin-flip chances of being scum and was also doing some things / could be blue. | ||
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On March 19 2017 07:58 Tumblewood wrote: rayn more or less spawned a wagon on malongo that picked up a lot of steam despite rayn himself not being on it and there being no convincing case. I mean, the guy had 10 posts to work with, none of which were egregiously bad. vote logic points to rayn and two others on the wagon (I suspect koshi/damdred but it is no sure thing). rayn was obviously waaaay overconfident on his scumreads. more so than I believe he would be as town. BUT the wagon on him would inevitably be a shenanny in an afk thread, and he was by far a more active and potentially useful (if town) player than malongo. losing him as town would fuck us over way more. [in retrospect, the wagon would have had to be composed of people who I trust, so I overblew that concern.] this is why the choice was difficult the end Like if you had rayn as scum-lean/even strongish scum, why be so careful about him being town? | ||
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Would be nice if it was that easy. Onegu and Rels did pretty much nothing to help with the D1 lynch so gotta keep an eye on them as well. | ||
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I feel better about Calix btw. | ||
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On March 19 2017 20:16 Calix wrote: inb4 I get N1'd again. How did you guess it :O | ||
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On March 20 2017 02:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xatalos is also mafia because not wanting to lynch me despite wanting to lynch me. If he was town and actually thought i was mafia he would have tried to actually lynch me. So there is that too. Nothing new to say about Damdred. There wasn't a large difference in my urge to lynch either you or Malongo. Not going to put everything on the line for a riskier play without significant added chances of hitting scum (and possibly hitting a blue / potentially useful player - that means you). If we're talking about hypocrisy, you'd be a better example of that since you didn't really seem to mind Malongo being lynched even though Damdred was apparently your top scum.. | ||
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On March 20 2017 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: See i am not calling people mafia for "hypocrisy". You were literally okay for switching into me or Tumble and then you said "even if Malongo is town rayn and Tumble are likely to be mafia" so in your mind you SHOULD think me and Tumble are both more likely to be mafia than Malongo is. Yeah, a bit. But it wasn't a large difference. Malongo was a decent lynch anyway. On the other hand, you said multiple times that Damdred was sure scum, but didn't do much to get him lynched (outside repeating the stupid argument from his opening post a couple of times). | ||
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On March 20 2017 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you were doing the same thing you're calling me scum for? Yeah i was always okay with Malongo lynch. I wasn't calling you scum for not fighting against Malongo being lynched. Just pointing out the hypocrisy of calling me scum for something you did yourself. | ||
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On March 20 2017 03:28 ritoky wrote: hmmmm i clicked xata's filter and maybe i mixed him with sum1. i just woke up. i thought he was the super agreeable dude. Hmmmm..... Agreeable how? | ||
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On March 20 2017 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i think it's pretty easy to tell from my posts which lynches am i okay with and which not. If there are two people who are almost definitely scum in my mind i couldn't care less which one is lynched. You on the other hand had me/tumble/malongo, and just sat on the malongo wagon while silently implying you would be okay with other things too when it was fucking impossible even 2 out of those three are mafia together in the first place. I did switch to you at EOD though, and if someone else switched you would have been lynched instead. Alas, nobody switched, and I wasn't confident enough to push people further to vote for you. Malongo was OK, almost as good chances as you in my eyes - and you would have been a bigger loss if I was wrong. Meanwhile you call me scum for not fighting to save Malongo when you had pretty much the same attitude to him as I did... Although you had a bit stronger feelings of him being scum, you also had similarly stronger feelings of Damdred being scum than I had of you/Tumble. So in the end, you're just calling me scum for doing almost exactly the same thing as you. | ||
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On March 20 2017 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's fucking bullshit. He hadd this "idea" in his head for fucking hours and he tries to do something like this in the last fucking 15 minutes?!?!!?!? Do you wanna guess what happens if he really tries to lynch me and i get lynched? Do you wanna guess in which "position" he puts himself if Malongo gets lynched and flips town? Talking about scum agenda right here... I totally forgot Tumble didn't want to switch to me so Tumble is 100000% town and Xata is now pushing two townies and has for the whole game. What are you even talking about? Tumble was on you all the time................ | ||
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On March 20 2017 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you can't understand the difference between: - "I have 2 very sure scumreads and both of them are leading wagons" - "I have 3 scumreads which cannot be scum together in the first place and i don't fight against the lynch of the one i actually don't really think i scum" ..then i don't know what to say. I didn't have a confident scumread on any of you three. Malongo was a bit behind both of you, but it wasn't by much. And how couldn't he be scum with either of you? | ||
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On March 20 2017 03:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Don't care you're scum. Go right ahead and ignore simple facts... That'll show everyone how right you are. | ||
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On March 20 2017 03:44 disformation wrote: quick chime in: I am actually pretty cool with the bolded, as I think that can very well come from a town mindset. there might be a problem in your interactions with damdred (which is at least what damdred is on about imo), but I havent gotten the time to double check myself. I haven't said that rayn ignoring the Malongo wagon was scummy in itself though. Rather I've been suspicious of the way he jumped to 100% scumread on both Malongo and Damdred for very flimsy reasons and then just pretty much ignored whatever else happened regarding the lynch (as long as one of them got lynched or something...). And now I guess he's setting up a similar scenario for D2 where he just throws weak suspicions on people and lets votes pile on them without doing much else.... | ||
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On March 20 2017 03:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because if i am mafia i never make cases like that on my scumbuddies. I just don't have to because noone will never understand me anyways so i am just hopping on some retarded things i don't actually believe make people mafia but other people will. Like ritoky's case on Eden is a super good example of this. "wow looks so good super duper fucking 100% townread on him" when actually there is nothing behind the case except for a touch on the surface. Tumble is never scum with me. Well Tumble is never scum, because if he was he would have been totally okay with lynching me (especailly if he was scum with Malongo). But i will stop responding now. I don't care. You're mafia. Try to lynch me, i guarantee you are lynched next because everyone can see how you're calling 2 townies mafia and doing nothing else. After either me or Tumble flip your D1 looks ridiculous. ^^ I agree that not all 3 of you could have been scum together, but Tumble/rayn makes some sense. His vote on you could have been distancing and his hesitation just preparation to switch to Malongo if needed. In any case, I guess things will become clearer with night actions / following lynches. And no, I'm never getting lynched. I haven't been mislynched as town in years (even as VT). | ||
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On March 20 2017 03:51 Onegu wrote: IRL reasons. May replace if things dont get better in the next 3 hours or so. Rayn and DBS/Ritoky=Scum rayn/DBS/ritoky scumteam you mean....? How come? | ||
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On March 20 2017 03:54 Damdred wrote: This is me being serious rayn tumble wanted to lynchbyouball day, and wanted to lynch you/me or his townread at eod. Please look at it cause you aren't putting it right in your posts and drawing faulty conclusions Ignoring facts has been the standard for him all game though... | ||
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On March 20 2017 03:56 Damdred wrote: To scum la me xata and you into lylo so I can bit him off in repayment for arnie for a gun. I ty ?? | ||
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On March 20 2017 04:00 darthfoley wrote: Why is rayn town and Xata null and Damdred "good" when the majority of rayn's interactions today have been revolving around Xata/Damdred. If you think rayn is making good posts, and many of his posts have been about Xata AND Damdred, then surely you would seem to think Xata and/or Damdred is more likely to be scum, no? But you have Damdred and rayn as both "good posts" and Xata "null posts." How good can rayns posts be if they're all wrong, according to your reads? You can add yourself to the "bad posts" section because your categories are ass. Good posts and bad posts have nothing to do with alignment, especially when you're playing with veteran mafia players who are good at both alignments. I find this post scummy I guess you make a fair point. Dunno how rayn ended up in "good posts" if he still doesn't hold any suspicions for me or Damdred (rayn hasn't made posts about anything else really..). | ||
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On March 20 2017 04:00 Damdred wrote: I just want to vote you off in lylo in repayment xata is that so bad ^-^ Can't even remember what I did.. | ||
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On March 20 2017 04:05 Calix wrote: To answer your earlier question, DF, I think both of the Finnish people are town. Rayn looks like he's dropped his flashlight while stuck in a tunnel and Xatalos held his ground better than I'd figure he would as scum. Want to reread it later just to be sure though. Does being in a blind tunnel make one town though? | ||
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On March 20 2017 04:14 ritoky wrote: ? I mean we must play a different game. Just because someone orients the game as black vs white, doesn't mean the game is actually black vs white. You're implying that because someone is tunneling, the tunneler and the tunneled must be opposite alignments. More often than not they aren't. Further, being right is also not a requirement for being town, there exists this thing and it is called a donkey, please ask Koshi about it he is abundantly familiar. Once you get away from the realm of right vs wrong and black vs white, and stop trying to render the game into a state of binary decision making, you arrive at a place where you can judge peoples' process. Process and intent are vastly more important than people's actual conclusions much of the time, and that is what matters. I see the town process in rayn when he rails on 1 point for hours and tries to drive discussion back to his point that he views as unimpeachably scummy, I see his process when he tries to scum check me to get a reaction. These are town processes for him, which make his posts good. You look at damdred and, he unprompted, makes a poignant observation and asks an extremely pointed question at tumble and then pushes when the answer is unsatisfactory. Once again I see the process, the desire for more information and to drive the game forward in the direction he thinks is right. You have to remember that you've been playing this game for 36 hours and have 50 pages, I have been playing for like 10 and have 5 pages, so my opinions have not had the cultivating of others' opinions. However, my categories are fine. Because people making bad posts are a good place to begin looking for me. I used to be quite skilled at reading people who post bad shit, so I likely still am. Some of the terrible posters will likely become my top town reads who I will never vote on soon. Well, from my point of view rayn is just pushing townies for weak reasons and with huge, inappropriate force. Malongo was town, I'm town, and Damdred is at least more likely town than rayn - and certainly not scum for the reasons rayn proposed. He's not even really listening or changing his views. He pretty much ignored Damdred, ignored me several times (although at least he responded to me at times) and Malongo was more of an "lynch the AFKer". It fits the view that he's scum and pushing whatever may stick to mislynch, not so well with an "active and helpful town mindset". | ||
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On March 20 2017 04:24 Calix wrote: It doesn't matters how many townies someone pushes. Townies can be very wrong. Townies can scum-read three townies for days on end. It's more how they do it, really. The part where he totally ignores facts that don't fit his narrative is more concerning but I don't think that means he's really 'trying to ML you as scum' because he would have to know that people would pick up on him doing that and thus think he's less credible and persuasive. He's gotten away with it several times already though. I basically debunked his Malongo case, and he actually pretty much gave up on 50% of his case, and stopped arguing about the rest, but it didn't affect his read in the slightest (even though both of his reasons were weak to begin with). Then I showed him how Damdred's question at the start could easily come from town, but he just repeated and repeated his argument that it makes Damdred sure scum without any real thought process. Now he puts Tumble as town and me as scum based on a totally incorrect narrative of how the EOD went down. And basically accuses me of being scum for doing pretty much the same thing as he himself did (accepting a slightly lower-priority lynch happening on D1 - Malongo for both of us). | ||
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Note also how he's scumread me pretty much all game, only with shifting (weak) reasons. Well, AFK for a while now... If I happen to die, keep a close eye on rayn. | ||
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On March 20 2017 05:16 Koshi wrote: K finally home. Somebody catch me up / talk to me. Opinions on rayn? | ||
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On March 20 2017 05:20 disformation wrote: hmmmm. I know I had that problem as scum before. like fear of being on the "wrong" wagon. but yeah if rayn are town and mal are town I as scum!tw probably wouldnt give a flying fuck? like if the wagons where close and he had to decide it would make more sense to be nervous then... still dont fully understand why he posted that though... xD The only reasons I can see are 1) giving an excuse to himself for possibly voting to save rayn as deadline approaches OR 2) genuinely being confused and perhaps not being entirely logical | ||
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On March 20 2017 05:21 Calix wrote: Xatalos, just focus on actually getting ONE mafia lynched first pls. Your pre-flips make me relate to baby killers. :O | ||
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I think he meant that he's not crazily townreading Malongo anymore. Earlier he was a strong(ish?) townread for him I think. | ||
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On March 20 2017 05:25 Calix wrote: And yes, I don't understand how the concept of "townies under pressure are usually not logical" is just clicking with you two now Anyway, have I made myself clear? I feel dirty from defending someone for so long, ugh. If you die, I'll promise to let Tumble be for a while (Of course not counting major new developments) | ||
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On March 20 2017 05:28 Damdred wrote: I would like to point out you guys aretalking about giving someone a free pass tommorow for being jumpy from one wagon to the next. Even though he didn't start doing that until he got called out for the shot he was doing with his townread. LikeI he was doing it before I called him out we would be cool. But he didnt. hmm? | ||
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On March 20 2017 05:37 Koshi wrote: They are not calling you scum for that alone. It's because you don't care who out of Damdred/Malango got lynched and just said: "fuck it, they are both 100% mafia". And you are the only one in the game that feels that. :D | ||
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Kind of. I did think any of rayn/Tumble/Malongo could be scum, but I didn't say they all were or that flips among them wouldn't affect my reads on the rest of them. | ||
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On March 20 2017 06:17 Koshi wrote: This is a good indicator why rayn is mafia. When he is town and he really found mafia. He keeps repeating his list of why that person is mafia. And when that person shows face aganin, he adds it to the list. But in this game, his list doesn't grow, it just stays the same while his mafia target keeps doing things. Yeah, he hasn't really added anything after Damdred's opening question thingy.... And with Malongo too, he pretty much just took one post from him and called him scum for that forever. He did add new things to suspect me for though. But none of his reasons were ever good. | ||
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On March 20 2017 06:22 Koshi wrote: No. That is not even what he is saying. rayn is saying that you are using pre flip association on Malongo's allignment to push both rayn and Tumble" or at least that is what that sentence normally is saying. Hmmmmm.... I don't follow anymore. | ||
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On March 20 2017 06:22 Calix wrote: This is actually a good point. And you didn't even need meta for that rayn is perfectly capable of appearing "townish enough" as scum so I'm just especially careful with him usually. Only after he's done something like pushed a scum to death or such will I be convinced that he's town deep inside (been fooled by him more than a couple of times) | ||
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On March 20 2017 06:26 Koshi wrote: rayn blames you for thinking tumble and him are mafia without linking it to preflip associations.... That is opposite world. And rayn doesn't make those mistakes as town. Like.... He is saying it is better for you to have reads based on the alignment of Malongo. Still not sure if I got your meaning. You mean that it was scummy for him to argue that I should have based my read on rayn/Tumble on Malongo's alignment? Tbh I'm confused. Both by his post and your follow-up :D | ||
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On March 20 2017 06:44 Xatalos wrote: ##Vote raynpelikoneet (for the record) | ||
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On March 20 2017 06:46 Onegu wrote: hrmm ok... Guess I was wrong... There was a better blue shot though. There was I think a very hard core blue claim. I guess I know what you mean. | ||
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And I know you know I know what you mean... | ||
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On March 20 2017 06:57 Damdred wrote: I'm voting Eden and everyone should follow me no matter what (until I change) Hm? | ||
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On March 20 2017 07:05 Calix wrote: I'm not super-convinced here but two wagons is always a good idea so I'll help with this endeavour. Yeah, I like having 2 wagons. It's bound to be a treasure trove of information if there's scum included in there. | ||
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disformation... dunno still. Probably not today's worry though. Rels is impossible to say. Damdred and Koshi lean town for me so far. | ||
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On March 20 2017 07:19 Damdred wrote: As an aside to xata I think if rayn is scum it clears tumble slightly. Hm? I think it's the opposite. If rayn flips scum, then Tumble could be scum with some confidence? Considering that Tumble's hesitation wasn't very logical in case of scum Tumble / town rayn. In that case scum Tumble should be easily willing to just continue going for rayn and look better after Malongo flips? | ||
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If it's the all vanilla setup, rayn's claim could be a decent enough method to save himself for the time being. However, all vanilla seems less likely now that ritoky was killed... And I'm not sure if scum rayn would crush his long-term prospects so easily by fake claiming now. rayn, why was your initial save ritoky? You even said that ritoky was an "extremely unlikely kill"..? That actually bothers me more than the possibility of all vanilla. | ||
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On March 20 2017 10:32 Tumblewood wrote: if eden really directed that NK then the other scummers must be passive as hell. or afk Yeah, dunno how he would have thought that killing ritoky helped himself anyway... it just made him look pretty suspicious. But I guess we can't rule out that possibility. | ||
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(Earlier D1 disfo was very engaged with the confusion thing, but after he was cleared of suspicion to some extent, he didn't do much with his newfound freedom and rather faded into the background? I'll have to look at him again soonish.) | ||
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Meh. The feeling of lynching disfo right now is a bit meh. I'll keep my vote on him until a bit later anyway, at least. | ||
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Let's consider the possibilities. 1) VT - no way in hell. He'd be strongly playing against his win condition, baiting a counter-claim. 2) JK - plausible, but statistically quite unlikely (around 5%). More importantly, if this is the case, there is also a Roleblocker. This means rayn just ruined his crucial role forever from a little pressure. Is this townie play? 3) Mafia - quite plausible. As scum, he would know the setup. If there is no true JK, he can claim being roleblocked and push his agenda freely until LYLO. If there is a counter-claim, well, he's baited out the JK. But I'd expect him to claim later in the day in that case, now that plan is a bit too premature. All in all.. I'd put his chances of being scum higher than town, probably, considering the motivations and statistics in each case.. hm | ||
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On March 20 2017 17:24 Calix wrote: Good joke. Where the hell did Eden/ Rels go? lol Yes but the fact is that rayn will be outed as scum if he lives for long enough or if nobody else claims TPR down the line. I don't see the problem for now if we just let him do whatever I guess so... I'll need to think more about disfo a bit later. | ||
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On March 20 2017 17:35 disformation wrote: i also really hope xata isnt advocating a rayn lynch today, cause i will not do that without a good cc. could be town paranoia though I don't think he's a good lynch today for purely game-mechanical reasons - if he's scum, he's a dead man walking in the long run anyway, so better focus elsewhere for now. I'm not really sure if you're scum. Eden is probably a better bet right now. Consider my vote a placeholder. Rels could be a decent counter-wagon to Eden as well... Maybe. He's so inactive that it probably wouldn't give much though. | ||
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On March 20 2017 17:43 Koshi wrote: No. Because rayn is dieing with a fakeclaim... It doesn't help to bus. I guess it avoids the worst case scenario of Eden vs rayn though. But... still I'll agree that rayn is not a priority right now. | ||
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I think Calix has been pretty consistently active all game. | ||
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On March 20 2017 17:47 Calix wrote: LOL, YOU CAN'T EVEN TELL US WHAT YOU'VE ACHIEVED. And you have what, 8? 9? pages of filter at this point. Holy shit, do I need to summarise it for you? Because it won't be pretty, mate. Ooh, NAI. That's kinda my point. You have not done anything 'townie' this game, just things which don't 'look' scummy on the surface. But under that, there's nothing. You're so forgettable that it's not even funny. Hmm. True that he's had quite a few big posts that brought (almost) nothing to the table.. dunno | ||
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On March 20 2017 20:52 AMG wrote: On page 20 so far. Rayn, ready to ride or die cowboy? >.> ? | ||
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Will be interesting to see what AMG brings to the table. | ||
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On March 20 2017 21:31 Calix wrote: You have any ideas for 'alternative wagons', Xatalos? That's the problem.... everyone else has some reason to be town pretty much, leaving just Eden/disfo/AMG with high chances of being scum. And AMG hasn't really done anything yet so it's a big null. | ||
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If Eden flipped town, I'd probably be more interested in rayn again - and maybe Tumble and/or others would need revisiting. Disfo's scum odds would rise significantly too. | ||
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On March 20 2017 21:41 Damdred wrote: Rayn would fake claim as scum, he's done it before. But I don't believe it here I don't think It might be easier here though since scum always knows the setup... giving scum a large information advantage. But dunno | ||
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On March 20 2017 21:43 Calix wrote: Who are these 'others' Xatalos? Don't hold back. I wasn't aware that you'd ever LOST interest in Rayn. Why would a town!Eden -> rayn is mafia fake-claiming? Town Eden would just increase the suspiciousness of other proof through POE. I guess I never lost interest from the bottom of my heart Others - perhaps Onegu... most everyone really. If we don't soon find scum, there's a serious mistake in some assumptions I've made. | ||
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On March 20 2017 21:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why do you not scumread Tumble anymore? First of all I don't think he's scum if you're town, in which case it makes little sense to lynch him before you flip. Secondly Calix seems to really believe he's town, and I'm willing to give Tumble a slight pass for that reason as well. | ||
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On March 20 2017 21:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: What is this. Onegu and Xatalos explain. Better not to if the scumteam didn't get it. | ||
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On March 20 2017 22:01 Calix wrote: New theory. BTDT decided to troll us hardcore and made everyone town. rayn is just fake-claiming to draw a shot. QED That makes zero sense. VT would never fakeclaim here, especially if widely scumread. It would likely expose the blues and heavily damage town. | ||
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On March 20 2017 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Better yes because you calling me mafia if fucking bullshit if you believe there is another blue "claim" somewhere there. Explain? | ||
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On March 20 2017 22:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like the thing townies do when someone claims is: - They consider all possibilities and look at the night kill and see what makes sense. What Xatalos does: - "At least this kill makes the all vanilla setup less likely." - "I think there is a blue out there" (with onegu) - "wow rayn didn't say who he jailed" (why the fuck would i, it doesn't help the town at all) - "As scum, he would know the setup. If there is no true JK, he can claim being roleblocked and push his agenda freely until LYLO." (DOES ANYONE SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS???) - "Now this is an all vanilla setup and rayn claimed to idk what reason but it makes totes sense!!!" Doesn't even try to figure out what it means if i am town. Never. Just "here is why he is scum" -> "no it doesn't make sense, well here is a new scenario why he is scum" -> "no it doesn't make sense... [contunue]" while thinking there is another power role out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! scummyscumscum I haven't said I think there is a power role out there. Statistically it's more likely, but not certain. | ||
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On March 20 2017 22:27 Calix wrote: I don't get how you spend more time calling rayn mafia than you do looking at, I dunno, disformation or Tweedledumb or any of your town-reads and asking them questions. It's a massive waste of time on someone who is extremely likely town even though you think someone else claimed blue ??? You're not making any sense and it's just a bunch of crap. As for rayn, I'd still like the explanation for why those posts = mafia disformation. I guess I should let it slide for today already. It gets harder to resist every time rayn appears in the thread though. | ||
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On March 20 2017 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I thought it was statistically 5% that i am a power role so i guess the rest of 95% is all vanilla setup no? 1) You had around 5% chance of rolling JK, 30% scum, and I would scumread you without the claim, so the chance of being scum isn't "extremely low". 2) I said there is a claim-like post in the thread. I didn't say I believed it was from a blue necessarily. | ||
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On March 20 2017 22:31 Calix wrote: Legit question. When was the last time that you took your own initiative and scum-hunted? Yes, this question makes me a hypocrite but I don't care. Put a sock in it about how rayn's mafia in these implausible scenarios which are based on NOTHING and start talking about actual people, God. rayn would get offended if he's not even an actual person | ||
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On March 20 2017 22:36 Calix wrote: I carefully considered your suggestion that clogging up the chat with speculative claim wankery counts as 'scum-hunting' and then laughed and chucked it in the shredder. Do something else please instead of being glib about your current anti-town behaviour I don't see how it's anti-town to consider all options in the situation. It's a bit hard to read filters while on my phone so I focused on the main event. POE points to the current wagon situation being good anyway. We'll have to see what AMG does and maybe reconsider then. For the record, I think this claim-thingy has been vastly more important than yesterday's disfo-confusion. | ||
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On March 20 2017 22:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's not, except you're not considering all possibilities, you're only considering possibilities where i am mafia. Am I voting for you in your reality? Or listing you as a lynch candidate for that matter? | ||
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On March 20 2017 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: What a fucking comment once again.... I will counter with this: Am i considering Malongo mafia? Do i consider Damdred as lynch target rn? You can't be fucking serious?!?!?!? Did you miss where I said that you're more likely town than several others in the game? It's not like I'd shoot YOU if I had a gun. Just considering the chances of you being scum. | ||
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On March 20 2017 22:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: See Xatalos, here is a very simple explanation. It took like 5 minutes for Calix to come to an absolutely correct conclusion. Then when you go further, (1) i don't bus and as you said later it doesn't make any sense because this assumes Eden dies 100% and then what... Town has 2 mislynches. Do you think i ever survive the game? "yeah sure the JK is alive for like 100 days after claiming". What a joke strategy. (2) Completely correct here: "why you, specifically, would kill ritoky since you scum-read him, he town-read you and mafia aren't usually fans of killing their scum-reads and reducing support for them in the thread". YEAH WHY WOULD I? Furthermore from the vets, ritoky and Damdred townread me, Xatalos and Koshi scumread me. If i am mafia this is always an all vanilla setup. Why do i kill hte fucking dude who defends me EVEN if i call him scum? :D :D :D Yes, wow, very much sense make!! Somehow it took like 10 hours (and half the game telling) Xatalos this is actually a VERY BIG possibility of being the case here. The dude is set on a conclusion and only tries to find evidence to support his conclusion, not looking at the evidence and what it actually means. Says the guy who had scumread me from the start, always finding another excuse, and never finding anything towny about me... at least I've changed my stance on you as new information came available. Besides, how do you explain claiming now as Jailkeeper? You've ruined your (most important) role forever, since there is a Roleblocker if you're town. You weren't in any great danger yet at day start. You even claimed to be saving ritoky until I did something, even though you said ritoky kill was "extremely unlikely"....? In any case, neither of us is getting lynched in the foreseeable future. Probably not the best use of time to continue this argument much further. | ||
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On March 20 2017 23:14 disformation wrote: point 5: remember the xata vs me thing early game. it took calix making a case/push on me for xata to vote me. shouldnt town!xata have voted me prior to that, if he felt i was trying to misrepresent him on purprose? also working on more posters and stuff, gimme a bit. I wasn't sure if you were doing it maliciously or not. Calix's post made me lean over the edge of putting my vote on you, but it was more of a pressure vote than taking you as certai. scum. | ||
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On March 20 2017 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Bulletpoints why Xatalos is mafia:
It's easy. My read on you wasn't very strong at EOD D1. It was much stronger at N1 end / D2 start. Then it weakened again when you claimed. Case solved. | ||
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On March 20 2017 23:20 Calix wrote: What the fuck did I just read? Tell me when you figure it out.. | ||
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On March 20 2017 23:24 disformation wrote: bestest post i ever made. working on derdmad, the ethereal oak got that started before I saw the current ongoings, so will finish that before reading ROFL Thanks for the name...? | ||
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On March 20 2017 23:51 Calix wrote: Xatalos, are you always this agreeable? It's pinging me but I don't know if that's just your personality because I remember that you were pretty "go with the flow" in our scum chat as well. Hmm... you just finished accusing me of disrupting the flow too much? | ||
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On March 20 2017 23:58 Calix wrote: Much like you did with Skynx? I mean, you've agreed with a lot of stuff this game so I'd like to know. I also don't get why you're literally apologising for voting for someone else or why disformation's RP and being a nerd makes him town. Still not sure about disfo, but he's clearly trying to do things, and not in a way that directly makes himself look better (which would be the main scum motivation). Can't remember the Skynx reference anymore. In general I haven't played almost at all for the last two years or so? I'd say I'm most proactive as town when I'm the most active poster / "thread leader" regardless of alignment. When the thread is already progressing fine, I become more passive (see the PYP game - I mostly much followed thread sentiment with town rayn/Marv/Palmar leading the discussion). If things are going badly, I often un-lazy myself and push more aggressively. As scum... I'm pretty survival-focused, I think. Often even willing to bus to gain cred. And avoid attention as much as can be done. Take that as you will. | ||
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On March 21 2017 00:55 Tumblewood wrote: o.O there's an all vanilla setup? if we assume rayn is jk or mafia in the vanilla setup and nothing else, then there is a 40% chance of jk and a 60% chance of mafia, but it's not worth lynching him because he will inevitably be revealed by LyLo or if we ever feel like outing our other blue (this is probably not relevant, I am still on page 68) A bit late to the party | ||
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On March 17 2017 09:59 Damdred wrote: Xata started as a gut read from his first playful banter. He generally as scum is pretty tense non fluid and kinda lacks much in the way of anything. I felt he was the opposite at the start, he flowed with the game thread was involved and tried to understand players. I thought he looked town tbh. Calix is a dick (lovable ) as town and is more free with the town reads. As scum hedges and is more middle of the road. Here really I involved even early trying to ferret out people. I liked it early and liked thebdickishness that was displayed towards koshi trying to get him to play. Also for the record I think disf probably going to be town. Seems legit confused atvpoints, has time to back pedal and just explain and would get pressure off him but doesn't do it and just moved straight ahead. I still would like some explanation from him but yeahbi don't think scum woulddd play to bring that much attention to himself without trying to be it of him before he leaves. (Sorts bad read by hownibfeel) Damdred's posts are just overall useful and thoughtful, like this for example. He seems to make some sort of effort to understand the game better every time he posts. Even with our history, I have a very hard time seeing him as scum. And that says a lot. Makes rayn's fixation on Damdred all the more odd, but.... erghhh. I already promised myself to avoid rayn. | ||
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On March 21 2017 01:15 disformation wrote: okay heading home. am stuck in the middle of sola's filter. with post when I got something conclusive. @sola: dont post anything interesting before im done with your filter. k thx bye. Who is sola? | ||
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On March 21 2017 01:18 Koshi wrote: Sola Tax? The replacement. rofl, my name backwards? | ||
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Oh yeah. I was confused because it was Sola Tax. Earlier it was solatax and I only made some sense of it because he said "xata" just before it. | ||
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On March 19 2017 04:20 darthfoley wrote: I just feel like you're acting like a mediator rather than trying to play the game. Strikes me as lazier than I would expect from you. I have my reasons for voting for Malongo but i'm still interacting with various people in the game in confrontational ways. Feels like you're coasting. Although tbf that could be lazy town or lazy mafia On March 20 2017 06:53 darthfoley wrote: I tend to agree with the consensus that's eden's play so far is weird and disconnected to everything relevant. It's also scummy (but maybe irl happens) that Eden only comes in when there seems to be low activity or only a few posters around. A bit too much hedging and "neat"/careful stances from foley to my taste actually. Like these posts for example, but there were more. Just like how I make my reads as scum | ||
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On March 21 2017 01:37 Calix wrote: God damn, how are you reading through these filters so fast?? Not reading every post carefully. Reading all one-liners and interesting bigger posts, just skimming big posts that seem unimportant. | ||
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On March 21 2017 01:46 disformation wrote: solatax the amnesiac simply chooses to forget unimportant details like his own name in order to create the capacity to read filters faster. this amazing post was brought to you by noitamrofsid missing his sub roflmao | ||
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On March 21 2017 01:51 Calix wrote: The sudden RP wasn't a tip-off as to something being up? P: I mean, I'd like more elaboration here since you thought scumformation was townie at least partly for his weird RP a while back. What changed? Not sure I understand your question. My read on disfo didn't really change significantly after reading his filter. I just compared him to Tumble and Tumble's WTF antics felt more natural, so I'd put him a bit above disfo in towny rankings. | ||
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His last post was just not from a town mindset at all. It focused fully on pushing blame around, despite not doing anything to help the result himself, and defending his own earlier actions from future accusations. And the rest of his filter is kind of the same way, just to a lesser extent. There's nothing there except pushing Calix (actually I thought his case wasn't terrible at the time, but he basically stuck with it even though Calix kept getting consistently townier and townier and didn't do anything else meaningful). The rest is a lot of words without meaning. And he basically hasn't done anything after around halfway D1.... | ||
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Because the result of my filter-diving was basically this... Strong town: Calix Damdred Koshi WTF? / wait and see: rayn Tumble disfo AMG Onegu Probably scum: DF Eden DF's posts just felt the most slippery and scum-style, hedging / crafted / careful opinions, not spontaneous and natural. I'm 99,99% sure that Calix/Damdred/Koshi are all town. Any of the WTF reads could be scum, Tumble and rayn seem a bit unlikely at the moment. DF and Eden are probably both scum through POE and having the worst filters out of them all. | ||
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On March 18 2017 05:13 darthfoley wrote: I find it definitely a possibility atm. I haven't never understood why she was hard TR so early. Especially from someone like Tumblewood, I found it a bit odd. I'm comfortable with Malongo at the moment, but there is plenty of time for me to reevaluate it. I don't think he's a slam dunk like rayn seems to, but until he steps up his game and provides more i'm gucci. On March 19 2017 04:20 darthfoley wrote: I just feel like you're acting like a mediator rather than trying to play the game. Strikes me as lazier than I would expect from you. I have my reasons for voting for Malongo but i'm still interacting with various people in the game in confrontational ways. Feels like you're coasting. Although tbf that could be lazy town or lazy mafia On March 20 2017 06:12 darthfoley wrote: Looking back at your filter, passive is too strong of a word. I just feel like outside of the Damdred vs Disformation back and forth that you weren't as pushy or opinionated as I have seen town!koshi act in the past On March 20 2017 06:53 darthfoley wrote: I tend to agree with the consensus that's eden's play so far is weird and disconnected to everything relevant. It's also scummy (but maybe irl happens) that Eden only comes in when there seems to be low activity or only a few posters around. Just too many posts that are cringe-worthily passive and blending in. | ||
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On March 21 2017 02:23 Damdred wrote: You know a scum team of say, AMG/DF/Eden kinda makes sense... Why AMG? | ||
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On March 21 2017 02:06 Calix wrote: Oh, I misunderstood you then. Not gonna lie, I largely have the reads that I do because everyone else looks ten times townier and I don't see any flaws in the current town reads that I have. This is partly why I'm being incredibly lazy because I don't see how half the players in the thread can be mafia this game and the other half of the game aren't prolific posters. Well, I remember thinking that DF could maybe possibly be mafia but I forget why. So I might filter him later just to be super-duper-double sure But aside from that, I'm bored, don't feel like constantly arguing with people who I don't really scum-read 'just to be sure' and I probably won't do anything for a while unless my main suspects talk. So yeah, AFK time for now. Please do. | ||
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If he's town, I guess I can take comfort in the knowledge that he's been totally wrong all game. And using faulty arguments on top of that. | ||
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On March 21 2017 02:34 Damdred wrote: Everyone said his post about me was good but most ignored my follow up post how the entirity of the post was misrepresented of the game state. I find scum do this a lot more when they need reads rather than town who are trying to figure out the game. rayn did a similar thing when he called me scum for a misrepresentation of how the EOD D1 went down (and it wasn't just me who noticed this back then...) And he pushed very bad points for you and Malongo as well as myself to be scum... He's just so scummy, but maybe the reality is that he's having a really bad town game. Dunno. My dream team is Eden+DF+rayn now... rayn could be ultimately replaced by Onegu/AMG/disfo I guess. | ||
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On March 21 2017 02:45 Damdred wrote: Its true i keep forgetting onegu atm, but I dont' think that disf or + Show Spoiler + (so calix doesn't see}tumble This is true of both but more so of tumble. Its interesting but I am not sure I would see scum do that at this point. though disf thought process does leave more room for backing out. And this reasoning is also faulty partially, but poeing yourself isn't exactly a game plan most scum would go for I guess. What's with the spoiler rofl | ||
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On March 21 2017 02:49 Damdred wrote: I'm not going to admit in the open to calix + Show Spoiler + that tumble I also shouldn't have openly admitted that + Show Spoiler + rayn might be town. | ||
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On March 21 2017 03:01 Calix wrote: Yo scumformation, how's that lock scum Calix and Koshi possibly scum thing going? As for the other two chumps, I know that I'm notoriously off with my reads as town but that doesn't mean I'm always wrong scumformation sounds like some next-level scum tactic... | ||
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Do note though that I never really townread him. Or read him for that matter.... He was kind of under my radar all game. Both Eden and DF made cases that I thought had some merit at the time (against Calix and Malongo). Those cases haven't aged that well though and there isn't much else they've done (or practically nothing else in Eden's case). | ||
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On March 21 2017 04:42 darthfoley wrote: Yea I saw. Xata frames it as hedging when I consider it to be logical and reasoned play, especially regarding you. I realized mid way through day 1 that I was spending way too much brain power on you and making tons of pre flip associations and shit that were counterproductive. I didnt hedge at all on Malongo and gave him multiple chances for me to rethink my vote. I don't think this game is as easy as everyone seems to think and I don't have huge PoE town circles to work off of. Top town are rayn given the claim and you, followed by koshi. After that it gets very muddled for me and I'm by sure what to think Maybe. There isn't anything super scummy about you. Just the general careful/hedging feel of many posts and POE. | ||
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On March 21 2017 04:50 darthfoley wrote: Don't think this is a particularly accurate portrayal of my game. I'm like the only person to attempt pressuring Koshi and I successfully got his knickers in a twist (which I take pride in regardless of alignment) I've had quite a busy day so while the last 10 pages were generated I wasn't around. Before that ritoky and Damdred(?) cased Eden pretty thoroughly which I don't have any problems with and I've been fine with him being the lynch today. On the other hand you've been talking about this conspiracy theory bullshit for like half of today that isn't productive. You keep saying you'll stop and then you don't. So maybe we should both be more productive! My two weak spots... Amnesia and bashing rayn Well I said "much else". You have a rather large filter, and not as much content as I expected. Certainly you've done more than Eden or Onegu. | ||
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Another wagon isn't a bad idea. I won't vote for disfo today, but it's much more informative to have some competition. ritoky kill was probably a combination of him being on the right track and wanting to create WIFOM + Show Spoiler + .... and avoiding a save. That makes rayn more likely town, but unfortunately the ritoky kill is more likely if there is a save to be worried about. | ||
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On March 21 2017 14:32 Tumblewood wrote: very strong town calix amg other town df koshi eden xata possible scummers onegu rayn damdred disfo Uh.... How did Damdred, me and rayn end up lower than Eden, DF and AMG? | ||
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On March 21 2017 01:57 Tumblewood wrote: idk I'm looking through disfo and I think I like him again. his early d1 is still good and he wasn't as useless as I thought mid-d1 (probably the part I skipped because some of it is unfamiliar). Also how did disfo become scum when you only had good things to say about him today >.> | ||
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On March 21 2017 14:21 Tumblewood wrote: I didn't like the eden wagon, so I voted Koshi. then I decided I should probably read Koshi's filter in case he was town, and his filter was good. not a real close examination but everything I saw (see: cared about) made me think he was town. so I decided maybe I was wrong on disfo. and I had kinda come off reading Koshi's very anti-disfo filter but in this read I started caring more about how boring he was. and he was boring, and I disliked him enough to vote him. then I checked out eden again and it was actually pretty townie imo OK, you did sort of explain it........ | ||
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On March 21 2017 15:19 Tumblewood wrote: (if you think my answers are unhelpful it's because I think my reads are fine as they are and your questions are indirectly calling them ridiculous. also I do not have anything in the way of formal reasoning) Hmm.... Just gut feels? | ||
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Let's assume you're town for a minute, rayn. Remember the Resistance game where you were town and I was scum? I was quite logical, constructive and widely townread (especially by you). You focused a lot on a couple of people like HTS who made bad arguments, even if they weren't overall really scummy (at least in my opinion). So take Damdred for example. You've claimed that he hasn't been "smart" enough and that his question at the start didn't make sense. Even if both of those were true, neither make him scum (for the record, I agree that his question didn't make much sense, but it was just something of a discussion starter, and I think he's made several "smart" observations). Now a better reason might be something like that he's been a bit detached from both lynches. Even so, he's been posting a lot and clearly thinking about the game in terms of solving it. I'm willing to forgive some detachment for that. Especially since both Malongo and Eden have been pretty lurky and unexciting targets. + Show Spoiler + I'm pushing my mental stamina not to mention a couple of new things I thought about rayn... it's not really relevant now anyway, and we'll know a lot more as time passed. | ||
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That misunderstanding in itself feels somehow genuine though. | ||
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On March 22 2017 00:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Your problem here is mistaking what mafia knows and what mafia doesn't know. If you know Damdred is town in this game then you also know he isn't being "unsmart" or anything i claim, jsut as you knew HTS was not "really scummy". In this game however you have presented multiple arguments for me being mafia that have absolutely nothing to do with me being mafia, in fact they make me most likely town considering my earlier games. Then you, even after conceding i can be town, follow up with trashing on everything i say without even trying to interact with me. Yeah, you haven't done that earlier as mafia. But it doesn't make any sense and i don't see any fucking reason why you would do that as town. You got townread for it, i didn't. Maybe you just rolled with it, who the fuck knows. I don't, but i also don't know why you would EVER do that as town. Even if you're not a good lynch, it doesn't mean your words are holy. Maybe I've become overly paranoid of you after being burned many times... but it's also a sign of respect, in a way, that I believe you could still be scum in this situation. There aren't many people I would believe could be (maybe HF?). That also leads to the result that I take everything you say with a grain of salt. That's doubly so when I'm your top scum and your reads completely contradict mine. It's not easy to reach a mutual understanding from there. So I'd rather ignore you to some extent and listen more closely to what clearer probable townies say. No hard feelings. | ||
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On March 22 2017 00:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: It doesnt matter what it is, it matter Calix' filter says she scumread me for it so why don't you scumread her then for a shit read? I don't think Calix put you to scum based on that note. She just said it was better than my pre-flip stuff I was talking previously. | ||
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On March 22 2017 00:25 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote Xatalos Bad boys 4 life Hmm... why? | ||
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Probably missed some. Hard to play ATM. What I saw was you were completely sure I was town, then I got a few votes and you brought up a couple of posts from me that were apologetic or something, and now I'm top scum......? Right... | ||
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On March 22 2017 00:42 Calix wrote: Are you fucking stupid, rayn? I literally say in those quotes that I voted because of sheeping and wagon stuff and then made a post where you were POE because everyone else is townier? That is not a scum read still and you will never find evidence proving otherwise because none exists. Literally have been incredibly townie the entire game and you scum-read me for the dumbest shit that doesn't show mafia agenda in the slightest. Bad bad bad bad bad. rayn this game in a nutshell | ||
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Gotta mention something that caught my attention earlier. I thought I wouldn't say it for now, but I guess I will. When Eden was almost the assured lynch, it irked me how it looked like rayn was setting me up as scum if/when Eden flipped scum: On March 21 2017 12:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because if Eden is mafia there is nothing mafia can do about this lynch. Xatalos is smart enough to not fight it too much (while he tried at the start of the day already regardless of what he says). And all things considered Eden looks like mafia. When I became a realistic option, I'm down from top scum to bad town suddenly... As if preparing for my town flip. Not sure if on purpose or subconsciously, but it's an odd switch. Before this moment, where the momentum was for me to die, rayn never made posts like this.. On March 22 2017 00:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: You just made a post that said "i am bad at mafia if i am town this game". On March 22 2017 00:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is exactly what is fucking wrong with you in this game..... Yeah... just had to point that out on the off-chance I do die. rayn is not a good lynch now so ignore it for the time being. | ||
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On March 22 2017 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Both vote for me instead of Eden. I need a couple of hours to figure this shit out. Why in the name of all that is holy would you risk your own life as JK? Or claim in the first place, if I might ask? I would never do either of those actions as a blue, and you're very willing to abandon your role usage for some thread clout. | ||
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On March 22 2017 00:58 Koshi wrote: Why would he do it as mafia? Why ask this question? And why are you ignoring my 3 posts I made on you? Sorry, I was keeping up with the thread on my phone in short bursts earlier. Didn't read your posts in detail. I'll get to them eventually. Could you maybe summarize your case? Because like a couple of pages ago I was your top town, now top scum. The change is really radical. As scum his actions would make a lot of sense. Gain some credibility by fakeclaiming (especially in a vanilla setup), direct the lynch away from himself/Eden, maybe get 1-2 mislynches before getting caught. If it's not a vanilla setup, he could alternatively catch the blues before going down. As town..... just why would he abandon his crucial role with ease and even want people to vote for him vs me? As scum he would certainly want that, since it'd be easier to win him vs me than Eden vs me. | ||
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On March 22 2017 01:03 Koshi wrote: You were never my top town. You were lock town. Now you are lock mafia. >.> | ||
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On March 21 2017 23:19 Koshi wrote: Looking at that again those 3 names are really bad. Eden as placeholder / disformation is the same as malongo / and AMG hasn't done anything and is null How are that your 3 biggest scumreads on D2 Xatalos? That's just the result of POE/sheeping while I was at work. As soon as I got home, I started filter-diving and my reads changed significantly. | ||
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On March 22 2017 01:05 Koshi wrote: I already explained to you that there is no way rayn fucking fakeclaims to save his partner Eden. This is not fucking lylo and he can ALWAYS be counter to be CONFIRMED mafia. Why would he be THIS FUCKING DESPERATE AS MAFIA? Well in the vanilla setup it would make perfect sense. The situation was pretty desperate with scum vs scum wagons (assuming they're both scum). | ||
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On March 22 2017 01:07 Calix wrote: This? I do not know how I missed it the first time -.- I agree that point 1 is weird because him being a top town of Eden's should not affect his liking the case. That stood out to me too but I am biased because it was a case against me. I do not think point 2 is meaningful. I also agree on point 3 that he is hiding behind me. He town read Tweedledumb because I really believed Tweedledumb is town. Which was weird and I did not like it. And obviously I agree on the last part as I tried talking on that already. So yes, I see your thought process and it is decent as a case. And I will try to filter Xatalos with this in mind. I still think he's town for meta. But maybe I am giving him too much slack by doing that. So I will try to ignore that. I am trying to fix my computer so if I succeed then I will read his filter then. Not sure how being glad that someone spoke positively of me is "showing guilt". I would consider it a minimum standard for being a solid town to listen to (if someone is scumreading me in this game, he's either scum or bad, so not someone to really listen to...). It's not the whole truth in itself, but I've rarely been scumread by town as town in recent games. Meanwhile if I was having a bad D1, scum usually jumped on me. | ||
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On March 22 2017 01:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/439578-extractor-trick-mini-mafia?user=raynpelikoneet /dunked OK, seems like you have. Not sure how much of that game state transfers to this one, since it seemed to be more blue-focused and a smaller game, but at least you have. How many times have you fakeclaimed though? | ||
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On March 22 2017 01:25 Damdred wrote: Like if you compare his claim to some of his other claims like guardians of the galaxy as scum, that one looks a lot different and actually looks desperate. This looks really different and in line with his town games. Hmmm.... Could you link to his claim there? | ||
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On March 21 2015 02:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: If Holyflare can't deduce why Toad is mafia he is scum too. | ||
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On March 22 2017 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: In that game i trolled hardcore because my scumteam was shit and the town somehow magically managed to lose to them anyways.... Like jesus christ 2 scum claimed vigilante and i think sicklucker even shot Toad or something. Every scum called every scum mafia so i didn't bother. What a fucking clusterfuck. If the scumteam is Eden/DF/rayn or something, I wouldn't call it exactly the dream team either | ||
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On March 22 2017 01:34 Damdred wrote: Totally different though, Rayn was actually up for lynch near eod. We had little time to really discuss it or parse anything. Here we've had 48 hours almsot to talk about it and his reasoning is 9000000% better to claim here It would make a ton of sense to claim later though. He could judge the reactions and how the wagons develop, then claim if needed to shock the scumteam. He wouldn't be scared of pressure as town. | ||
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On March 22 2017 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: LOL Oh god this is so fucking terrible. EVEN COMPARING Guardinas game to ANY other game i have EVER played is trashhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... :D Your existence is trash. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On March 22 2017 01:39 Damdred wrote: And risk being lynched with how afk the game is near eod generally? And really why are you going so crazy on you v rayn here? We have 5 hours for lynch really and I do not think the game is going to lynch rayn here. Your best bet if you are town is to convince the game you are by finding the other scum etc. I'm fine with being lynched if that's what it takes. I'm VT anyway. It would break my 10-game record or so of not being lynched as town, but it would probably solve the game. Especially if Eden is scum. So it's kind of OK. I just have this nagging feeling that rayn is still scum that won't go away, so it's very hard to resist talking. | ||
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On March 22 2017 01:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you think i am mafia but you're okay with being lynched? I think you have about 30% chance of being scum. Eden is maybe 80% and DF 60%. But this EOD will tell a lot. | ||
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On March 22 2017 01:47 Damdred wrote: i will listen to your theories tonight if you make it, now if you are town You need to find the other two scum. You haven't really been convinced by eden being scum most of the game it seems, why? I sort of liked his start. He started strong with a case on Calix, a showy target, with a half-decent case. Then he just... slowly faded away and did less and less of anything meaningful. Felt like he thought it would be better to stay out of sight, out of mind, even though he posted here and there. And his last post was awful before he went into AFK mode. Now his long AFK streak is more indicative of scum since he was more or less a dead man walking with his last post and the NK. Probably better for him to shut up than make things worse for the scumteam. | ||
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On March 22 2017 01:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: No Xatalos. Who is mafia and why. No percentages. No bullshit. Who is mafia and why? Eden almost certainly. DF is also a strong candidate due to POE and less than impressive posts / ever weaker impact on the thread as the game went on. Rest is in you/AMG/Onegu probably. | ||
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There was a more detailed explanation somewhere in my filter, but in summary, he's been doing his own thing consistently without seeming to care about how he looks. Also his confusions seemed surprisingly genuine on reread. (That and he wouldn't make much sense as scum if you were town since the way he acted EOD D1) | ||
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On March 22 2017 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have said this all D1 and you considered us both mafia all D1 and now you are telling me (on D2) that i am pathetic because i ahve been all game wrong when your scumreads were rayn/Tumble/Malongo and you even voted for the non-scum of that list ( as you yourself said). Makes sense? Not sure if I followed your thought process there. Anyways it's not sure if I was completely wrong D1 yet, and it's not that bad to make mistakes on D1. At this point I'm time I'm certainly closer to the truth than you are. | ||
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On March 22 2017 02:04 darthfoley wrote: Btw I still think Eden is the lynch today. I voted for disformation for CW and discussion purposes but i'm more comfortable with Eden dying than Xatalos, especially because I don't think there's been a slam dunk case for Eden's townieness yet now the winds seem to be shifting off of him even though he's done absolutely nothing. Yea there may be question marks about Xata or whatever, but if Eden is scum and his scum mates get the obvious lynch off of him without him having posted, I will eat my own ass in frustration after this game. No need to consolidate yet though. It'll certainly be more interesting if it's even or even slightly against me towards the end. | ||
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On March 22 2017 02:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: How is that so? You know Damdred's alignment? Well, by some simple logic. If we make the assumption that we're both town and competing on "rightness".... You were sure Malongo was scum. I was unsure. He wasn't. You're sure I'm scum. I'm not. I'm not sure you're scum. You're ??? (if not, then at least I'm closer to the truth again). Damdred is probably town. I'm probably right. Etc. etc. | ||
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On March 22 2017 02:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: wow wow wow...... "At this point I'm time I'm certainly closer to the truth than you are." No. "not sure" does not comply. How are you CERTAINLY closer to truth than i am? Based on Malongo's flip and my own alignment. That's all I know for sure at this point. (ritoky not included since we never really debated that) | ||
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On March 22 2017 02:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: So if i am town and Tumble is town and Damdred is mafia how are you closer to truth than i am? I don't think that's a certainty. Even if it is, my current reads are certainly more accurate than yours, since I'm town. Unless we're both town and Eden/DF are both town, then maybe not, but that's very very unlikely. | ||
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On March 22 2017 02:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: And how exactly did i push Malongo except for 1 post ~3hrs into the game? You repeated your points at other times during D1 and wholeheartedly approved the lynch without a shred of doubt. | ||
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On March 22 2017 02:18 darthfoley wrote: No, I think it's quite clear ritoky's kill gives us very little information, especially at the time I made the post. It leaves all the strong vocal town in the game, for the paranoia factor, it kills the kinda wildcard player. Which is E X A C T L Y why everyone in the thread at the time was like lolwtf when the ritoky kill happened. We'll obviously see more when more flips happen. This whole day has kind of gone in waves against various people. First, disformation, then me kinda, then Xatalos. It almost feels to me like scum are trying to mud sling, see what sticks, somehow helping Eden survive one more day. Even one day extra of scum!Eden surviving could be important later in the game. The fact that he has checked out of this game also feels indicative of scum to me. I just don't know in what world we let Eden slide out of being lynched based off of one AMG "i'm paranoid post." Well now i'm paranoid that we're talking ourselves out of an obvious lynch I think the current situation is good. No matter if I or Eden gets lynched in the end, scum have to play their hand to some extent. It would be safer to just bus Eden to eternity if he's the only wagon and scum. And I think if he was town, he would have been lynched comfortably like Malongo, so that's likely the situation (town vs scum). | ||
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On March 22 2017 02:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xatalos is always mafia in this game. Hopefully other people will see it aswell. I am not going to be around (possibly) to argue about that later on. Hopefully Koshi is here, or AMG. Please at least read our interactions, read his filter, read my case. Try to understand. If you don't, then i can't help you much further. You're just very wrong in this game. Purposefully or not. I feel you would have come around if you were town though. | ||
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On March 22 2017 02:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think if you're town the current situation would not be "good". Well, consider this. What is more dangerous for scum, a heated 1v1 or a silent one wagon? And which one is more likely to hit scum? | ||
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On March 22 2017 02:33 Calix wrote: Okay, have a (mostly) functional computer now. I'd like to apologise to rayn for flipping out at him earlier >_> Anyway, DF has upgraded dramatically in my eyes. That's because when I was catching up, I had almost the exact same thoughts as he did. Even when he's becoming the counter-wagon, he's still harping on about rayn. I feel like scum would have stopped trying to fight with the uncounterclaimed TPR. You might go "oh he's shitting up the thread" but I don't get that vibe since he kept on at it even after he started getting flak for it. And even does it after admitting that it's a dumb idea. Since all he has accomplished by doing so is looking horrible/ drawing a tonne of attention from the UNCOUNTERCLAIMED TPR WHO IS NEVER GETTING LYNCHED TODAY/ inflating the thread, it seems like a suicidal move for scum. Also I didn't have this thought while catching up but it's still a decent post IMO. + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2017 02:18 darthfoley wrote: No, I think it's quite clear ritoky's kill gives us very little information, especially at the time I made the post. It leaves all the strong vocal town in the game, for the paranoia factor, it kills the kinda wildcard player. Which is E X A C T L Y why everyone in the thread at the time was like lolwtf when the ritoky kill happened. We'll obviously see more when more flips happen. This whole day has kind of gone in waves against various people. First, disformation, then me kinda, then Xatalos. It almost feels to me like scum are trying to mud sling, see what sticks, somehow helping Eden survive one more day. Even one day extra of scum!Eden surviving could be important later in the game. The fact that he has checked out of this game also feels indicative of scum to me. I just don't know in what world we let Eden slide out of being lynched based off of one AMG "i'm paranoid post." Well now i'm paranoid that we're talking ourselves out of an obvious lynch Anyway this. ##vote Eden1892 Well, I don't think DF is scum with Eden at least. And he's making sense in these posts. | ||
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Maybe. At least I think there are 2+ scum in those groups. | ||
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On March 22 2017 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: No it is not, lynch Xatalos and we go from there. Adam is really good at this game btw. I agree that would give stuff to work with. But not in the sense of improving your position. | ||
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On March 22 2017 02:40 darthfoley wrote: For the sake of the argument, say rayn is really the blue role he claims that has been not CC'd. Take him out of your equation. How do you feel about the other people in the game: TW, damdred, Koshi, disformation, Calix. Any pecking order currently of how you view these players? Well here's a rough ranking of everyone right now: Calix Damdred Koshi Tumble disfo DF Onegu AMG Eden Very rough. Some spots would likely move a place or two with filter-diving. You increased in rank with the helpful/clear-headed attitude in this situation. AMG and Onegu dropped a bit for staying on the sidelines and/or supporting my lynch to some extent. Dunno about Koshi. He probably genuinely bought the case somehow, even if the change was shockingly radical. | ||
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On March 21 2017 23:42 AMG wrote: I'm shifting my vote to Xalatos, I feel a heck of a lot more confident he's going to flip scum than Eden. This is a pretty weak conclusion after having all D2 to figure things out :/ | ||
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I sitll have no idea what he's thinking or what that blue thing was. + Show Spoiler + For the record, when he said that there was a blueclaim in the thread, I thought he meant Eden's "the setup isn't all vanilla btw". I didn't say it was a real claim, just that it was the only claim of any sort in the thread. But no idea what Onegu meant then. Something I said? | ||
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On March 22 2017 02:56 Calix wrote: Looking at his filter, he seemed to have progressed from scum to "liking Koshi's points" to scum again based on this: Your thoughts? To be fair AMG does make a fair amount of conclusions in his filter. I can see it possibly coming from town. Still a weak conclusion. | ||
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(It's highly unlikely that Eden is town with this vote progression though) | ||
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On March 22 2017 03:12 disformation wrote: why are ppl unvoting me when i wasnt even around? usually it works the other way around. It turned into me vs Eden so you're free from pressure Gz | ||
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On March 22 2017 03:17 disformation wrote: Oh. I was hoping that a scummer would try to get me lynched over eden and make it easy for me. will still have to look at the ppl who where voting me later. dont think any of them where that into it. can't remember why df was voting me. At least things were made easy for me | ||
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On March 22 2017 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xatalos is mafia. Calix is mafia. Scared. So scared. Koshi knows this. That's literally the worst guess I've seen all game. | ||
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On March 22 2017 03:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Except for me and malongo being mafia. It was better than me and Malongo at least. | ||
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On March 22 2017 03:23 Calix wrote: roflmao Have you seen how a Xatalos/ Calix scum team actually plays? Hint: It's not hardcore town-reading each other for the entire game because neither of us are that ballsy. #WIFOM Calix was also pretty fast to lose hope from what I remember. Here she seems to persevering through anything instead. Unless the scumteam is something crazy like Calix/Damdred/Koshi (lol), I don't see how she would be so motivated. If I'm right to any extent, the scumteam is already screwed soon. | ||
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On March 22 2017 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: No. Yes. | ||
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On March 22 2017 03:32 Calix wrote: This is true but to be fair, you're probably not going to see me concede ever again...just because having two concedes on my scum record speaks incredibly poorly of my play and I have a bit more pride than that I'll try to keep that in mind | ||
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On March 22 2017 03:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am never right on this. FTFY | ||
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I don't think I've ever been even close to this active as scum, especially after D1. And certainly not in the way I've been here. | ||
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On March 22 2017 03:42 Tumblewood wrote: rayn is 99% town, xata is either bad or scum How so? | ||
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On March 22 2017 03:47 Tumblewood wrote: if you were neither of those things you would be acting differently. probably wouldn't have been arguing with rayn for so long And rayn shitting on me forever makes him 99% town? | ||
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On March 22 2017 03:46 disformation wrote: random things : if i remember correctly calix generally isnt a big fan of meta, so i am a bit worried she seems to use a bunch of meta today. didnt xata have some super "good" blue-read-thing with 1eg? not sure if he explained that at some point. not sure if someone asked that already Super good? It turned out to be a misunderstanding. | ||
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So rayn shitting on me all game makes him 99% town, me doing the same makes me 60% bad town >.> | ||
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On March 22 2017 03:51 disformation wrote: ah. lemme look at some time stamps. because i think you also brought it up before it turned out to be a misunderstanding. We had an exchange where I misunderstood what he was talking about. I thought he talked about Eden's post "the setup isn't all vanilla btw" since that was the only claim-like post in the thread. He apparently thought I had claimed Cop though.....? Still not sure. | ||
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On March 22 2017 03:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: I havent shat on you all game unlike you. Also im Batman. And I'm Joker. + Show Spoiler + You started suspecting me earlier than I did you though and never had a pause, unlike me | ||
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On March 22 2017 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: And i havent shat on you all game long..... (continue) False statement. Error. | ||
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On March 22 2017 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xatalos the thing is i am always 100% confirmed town and your mafia mind cant get it. Hm. One would think that as scum I'd know that, not the other way around | ||
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On March 22 2017 04:20 disformation wrote: wait. like it would make sense if town!xata thought eden was blue. scum shoots rit to implicate eden. and tries to lynch eden. no wait. isnt rayn's claim super risky then. and why the vt setup stuff. bleh. i can see why there was a lot of yelling about that. I didn't really think Eden was ever blue. | ||
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On March 22 2017 04:23 disformation wrote: Eh. Xata if i am seeing this correctly you had me in your scumreads earlier this day phase. when you where asked this afternoon you said i could be town. any particular reason? At some point I did some filter-diving and came out with a more positive view of you and Tumble. Mainly the way you did a lot of stuff that didn't look particularly good on the surface, but contained a lot of effort. Kind of the opposite of how scum would think. | ||
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On March 22 2017 04:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Good reason to townread her. Good reason to scumread me. Weak reads are not the same ppl!!! ? | ||
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On March 22 2017 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes we just lynch xatalos first Are you a broken record? | ||
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On March 22 2017 04:40 disformation wrote: i have to admit i am a bit confused atm. xatas whole claim stuff confuses me. that calix "scumread" on rayn situation confuses me. I'm probably just as confused. I hope Onegu will tell his story sooner or later. | ||
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On March 22 2017 05:35 Calix wrote: Okay, let me put it this way. If you don't town-read Eden, then I'll make the WILD assumption that you scum-read him. Given your current reads, this means you think the scum-team is Eden/ Calix/ Xatalos. 2/3 of your scum-reads are the leading wagons. Have I made any mistakes here? If I have not, I don't get why you're yelling so hard to lynch Xatalos when you think Eden is mafia. Or why you suddenly give a shit now when 2/3 of your scum-reads were the leading wagons yesterday and you didn't give a shit there. Good point. | ||
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On March 22 2017 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: And i dont care what happens, i am jsut gonna be right. Your signature truly captures your playstyle. | ||
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On March 22 2017 05:44 Koshi wrote: rayn you better take a step back. I am 99% sure Calix is never mafia in this game. It is even extremely obvious to me. So was my towniness >.> | ||
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On March 22 2017 06:16 Koshi wrote: I am currently busy with money stuff. Going to start playing on the stock market. And with playing I mean I am going to buy a shitton of 1 stock that should be a safe bet. (max -10% on short term and potential +20% on longer term) But most likely will just do nothing too crazy and will net me 2% each year except the fucking 0,3% I get due to banks are fucking criminals. So if anybody has great advice I can use it. There isn't any downside to some diversification though (except just a bit more effort spent / transaction fees). But risks reduce greatly. Dividends are also great consistent income source so I'd recommend companies that pay growing dividends. | ||
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On March 22 2017 06:22 Koshi wrote: True. But I am not taking risks for money. I am going to buy a stock of a company that can't go bankrupt. A very old company that is just going to exist for ages. And where the stock is a lot lower than on it's highest point. Like... I don't think I can lose money if I have time. But I can win money depending on what the stock does. Alright then. Gl hf | ||
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On March 22 2017 06:12 Koshi wrote: Like if Eden is town we are getting outplayed quite badly. Xatalos is going to be lock scum then. But the others are hiding. Darthfoley. AMG. Onegu. disformation. Well if the other blue is in the last 4 it is fine I guess. 33% + 50% to win Well if rayn is telling the truth, there should be a Cop since there was no Vig shot. That means the game is practically won. If the Cop has any idea what he's doing. If rayn is lying, then who knows. At least he'll be caught eventually. | ||
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On March 22 2017 06:28 Calix wrote: So should the Cop claim tomorrow if they have two decent checks then? At least if he's a suspect and has good checks then probably. That would help a lot. If he's townread and the checks aren't that helpful, then probably not. In any case I don't think the right play is to claim right as day starts. Better wait until some things happen first and scum moves are in the open to crush them. | ||
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On March 22 2017 06:32 Calix wrote: I'm just worried that Cop gets shot without making their check clear if they are really townie. But I guess I'll leave it up to them and assume they're not stupid P: A Cop's checks should be somewhat clear from their filter anyway if they die. In any case, I don't think just one check is a huge deal yet considering there's a Godfather. But 2 checks + self-clear is a big move. | ||
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On March 22 2017 06:36 Damdred wrote: Say calix and xata are town. What's the point in shooting rayn? Yeah, I'd at least roleblock him if I was scum AMG or something. | ||
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On March 22 2017 06:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Eden is so gonna flip town and we should have lynched Xatalos the mafia. Wasn't he your scumread just now.....? | ||
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On March 22 2017 07:04 Calix wrote: Does this basically confirm Xatalos as town due to VCA? Damdred/ disfo, pls chip in here. By the way, in that case, which of my pushers do you think were scum? | ||
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On March 22 2017 07:08 Calix wrote: This is something that requires me to look back. Remind me to give a shit about that build-up on you tomorrow. From votes, Tweedledumb just sitting on disformation when he could have plausibly voted for Xatalos is quite interesting. Adam looks 'obviously terrible' if you get my drift since he defended Eden a lot. However, that doesn't necessarily mean he's mafia as the 'paranoid townie' theory holds. Koshi's read progression on you may warrant further investigation. Nobody else's votes stand out to me right now. Yeah I guess AMG/Koshi kind of look the most "obviously terrible". Besides rayn but hopefully that will clear up with night actions. Probably there were 1-2 scum who were just hedging and judging their chances. disfo? Dunno yet. | ||
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On March 22 2017 07:12 darthfoley wrote: Remember that TW played the "paranoid townie" role EoD1 when Malongo flipped town. Now AMG plays the paranoid townie role D2 and Eden flips mafia. Meh, I need to think on this and what it could mean for AMG/TW. I can see why Adam might stick his neck out for a teammate and try to put off the lynch for an extra day. But the fact that Eden was Goon kinda counters that Eden was pretty worthless both as a thread presence and a role. Well, I guess getting one additional mislynch out of him and wasting D3 on him would have still been nice for them. I doubt both remaining scum went hard for me though... One might have. AMG? | ||
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(Pretty much the same would go for rayn without the claim, since he indirectly defended Eden by pushing others, but oh well) DF gains some cred by locking himself to vote for Eden to some extent. Tumble/disfo/Onegu are kind of question marks to me. They didn't affect the lynch one way or another, at least in any important way. Onegu and disfo did end up voting for Eden though. | ||
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On March 22 2017 07:29 Calix wrote: Given that Eden basically plagiarised disformation's reasons for scum-reading me, this might mean that disformation is town after all. Mafia usually aren't in the business of copying each other's reads/ reasoning that blatantly. A bit WIFOMy but not bad | ||
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On March 22 2017 07:35 Damdred wrote: So from my perspective 8 v 2 atm Damdred Rayn Koshi calix Disf Df Is in comfortable calling town Maybe Adam So two Out of xata, onegu, tumble That has me feeling a little weird with the rit kill slightly, unless mafia plan was to go into rayn today. Hmm why was I your top scums btw? | ||
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On March 22 2017 07:39 Koshi wrote: For tomorrow. Did Onegu check in so many times to change his vote? Did AGM force the Eden is town idea more in the thread than Xatalos is mafia? Did darthfoley come in at the perfect time to gain max cred on voting Eden? AMG focused more on defending Eden directly and indirectly I think. He only vaguely "disliked" me until rayn started pushing and then he voted, didn't really push me a lot. | ||
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I'd still like to hear what "blue claim" Onegu saw from me. What gives? In general, what have you even been doing? | ||
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On March 22 2017 13:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: The thing is i am pretty certain Koshi is town too so why isn't Xatalos dead? Probably because the town isn't completely retarded & the scumteam is weak. | ||
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On March 22 2017 14:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: At least one of Onegu and Xatalos is always mafia. Why? | ||
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On March 22 2017 14:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because df and tumble are never mafia together and everyone else is town. Why exactly were they never scum together? | ||
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Can't see why it makes them never scum together. Would be pretty easy distancing. At least if they were generally especially scummy, that is. | ||
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avoid sending GF if possible. | ||
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But if that's the case then at least if you hit RB he can't block the Cop. | ||
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On March 22 2017 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: But you just said "AMG even pushed against Eden lynch" which has been your main reason for scumreading hi -> try to save Eden. And you agree with disformation in "AMG didnt really look like he was trying to get his scumread lynched". Those two are 100% mutually exclusive. AMG didn't hard deflect away from Eden, but close enough. Enough to say that in hindsight his D2 play was probably the most scum-favoring. I mean he did kind of try to get the lynch anywhere else if possible, but didn't hard push on his own. Latched onto my wagon very easily though. | ||
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On March 22 2017 21:14 Calix wrote: Hello, allow me to ignore everything that's being discussed right now to say that if Oh-ne-gu is mafia, he's probably Godfather for his poorly-substantiated "Xatalos is the Cop who green-checked me" theory. Someone point out if there are any holes in this theory of mine. Would really like an explanation from him. It's an interesting idea though. Maybe he was hoping to be cleared by Cop and got over-excited and misunderstood because of that? | ||
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It's true that Onegu seemed only excited/interested when it's about confirming himself | ||
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On March 22 2017 21:33 AMG wrote: Ill be straight up with you. I refuse to post cases that I don't believe in. So id rather sit here, with no fucking scum reads, and cop all the flak that comes with that, then post something just to get you lot off my case. That's not how I roll. Well, you don't need to be 100% sure someone is scum to point out why they might be scum. | ||
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On March 22 2017 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: If there is one thing i am good at at this game it's that when there is flipped mafia i can tell who is NOT mafia with them. I am almost never wrong on those reads even when everyone else and their mother reads those people scum. disformation is not mafia with Eden. I think I've fooled you sometimes though :p I really like distancing schemes as scum. (Could be remembering wrong) | ||
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On March 22 2017 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah i don't do well figuring out all mafia in scumteams that play horribly. It wasn't that bad. If you didn't kill him and shot an actual blue instead, we'd have been around LYLO with 1 scum, 1 SK and a couple of town. And the scum would have had great credibility. | ||
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On March 22 2017 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: That game was super funny though. I had all mafia but one figured out on D1 and tried my best to lynch townies but the town was so terrible i needed to actually help them a little (well it kinda escalated in me giving them 3 mafia and shooting the 4th one because i thought they were a cop). And i had the perfect SK victory there just to be ruined by a bastard host who decided for no reason to end the day phase early WHEN THERE IS CLAIM WARS GOING ON and all i had to do was to find the cop until the end of next night... Fun game indeed But you can't say the double bus was a terrible play when it fooled you well and would have won us the game if you hit Cop haha | ||
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On March 22 2017 22:24 disformation wrote: good point. good point 2. back on a pc. i kinda want to rant about how tw's solo off wagon vote triggers me. like regardless of who he was voting for, he kinda dodged all responsibility and/or cred by voting in nowhere land. no interest in the lynch mayhaps? makes no sense if he is mafia with eden. makes no sense if he really thinks eden hasnt got a very high chance of flipping town. willing to "sheep" koshis filter on me, but when koshi makes good points on xata, tw is like "good points im still voting disfo". i even call him out on it and he doesnt care: did he want to avoid to be on the same wagon as a scum partner? like idk. it is a fine line between town for tone and too scummy to be scum he is walking. -.- can anyone explain it to me, or at least tell me where he gets the stuff he is smoking? Probably weed. + Show Spoiler + Or he's just generally confused. | ||
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On March 22 2017 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not sure how you would have won since i had night immunity, there was still 1 lynch + night, and your team had no idea who is SK. I always win if i don't get lynched because you can't even shoot me. And your bussing gave away 3/4 of your team (to me - obviously if you think about town then it was not bad play). Well I think you would have been lunched before him though. | ||
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On March 22 2017 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: lol i was the most towread person in the game by sooooooooooo far. Huh. Could be. Oh I remember. We requested SK to kill rayn through me in the thread. There was just a slight problem with that plan.... | ||
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On March 22 2017 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am trying to think so hard why would anyone ever say this as town: This is a response to "why does ritoky die if Eden is town". Who even said that? | ||
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On March 23 2017 00:17 Onegu wrote: Explain what? I was asked why you would confirm yourself to me... that was my guess why. I don't follow your thought there. | ||
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On March 23 2017 05:52 darthfoley wrote: In retrospect my syntax of the sentence was poor. My main point was that regardless of Eden's alignment, I thought it was a pretty smart kill in terms of not giving the town a lot of information because all the scenarios I listed were plausible. I still think it's unlikely the sole motive for killing ritoky was his Eden read. Seems way too clean Could be JK dodging too I guess? And/or blue hunting | ||
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And/or stopping DF suspicions? | ||
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On March 23 2017 06:04 disformation wrote: ritoky's gif game just too stronk. scum got scared. | ||
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As a sidenote, all vanilla setup is a bit more likely with the most widely townread player being brazenly targeted. Not guaranteed though since there would be a Roleblocker if rayn is town, meaning his role isn't that dangerous, and he doesn't hold the kind of thread influence Calix did. | ||
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Onegu AMG Tumblewood disformation ... claiming could be a good idea. | ||
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On March 23 2017 06:48 disformation wrote: hmmm... who i am going to omgus at today then? was gonna suggest we'd sort out oneg/amg/tw today. somewhat thrown off here [spoiler]##Vote disformation[/b] | ||
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On March 23 2017 07:05 darthfoley wrote: Hmmm killing Calix instead of the blue role? I don't get the thinking behind that because as Xata said, the whole rayn mafia conspiracy will kinda sort itself out as the game progresses. Why keep him alive? Also vigi claim if there's a vigi? My theories are basically... 1) rayn was deemed too off-track and/or too influence-impaired to be a threat in the thread so Calix was a higher priority OR 2) the plan would be to frame him as scum D3/D4 - high risk, high reward OR 3) he's scum and playing a pretty ballsy / sacrificial role to help out the last scum, probably someone hidden in town ranks (this requires the vanilla setup) | ||
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On March 23 2017 07:13 darthfoley wrote: I feel like the ritoky kill makes it less likely to be an all vinalla setup though. If that were the case it pretty sure it would've followed the "normal" types of N1 scum kills, no? Yeah that's a point against 3. ritoky did go for Eden but it's not like killing ritoky hugely helped out Eden anyway. Not the most sensible NK in all vanilla. | ||
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On March 23 2017 07:14 disformation wrote: so. you guys any preference amongst amg, 1eg or tw? Maybe even Onegu right now. He's given town almost nothing all game and Calix made a decent point before her death. It went something along the lines of Onegu only showing real interest in the game when he thought I had green-checked him based on a misunderstanding. That would fit the motivations of a Godfather well. | ||
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I ninja'd | ||
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Would be nice to hear from Damdred/Koshi/rayn also on the new situation. | ||
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On March 23 2017 08:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: I fell asleep. Cop has to claim now. I'm not sure if it's 100% necessary. Depends on who he is (scumread to any extent?) and if his checks are of any use. It would make today easier though, I guess, if that happened. | ||
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As scum I'm far more careful what I post and certainly don't post unfinished thoughts into the thread. + Show Spoiler + 3 doesn't even make any sense. I asked you who you offensively jailed, and again you refused to answer. I didn't ask who you defensively jailed. Besides why would this ever make me scum? Same with 4. I've clearly shifted away from doubting you to a major extent so who would push you then? I already explained 2 at some point. 1 is just your opinion vs mine. | ||
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On March 23 2017 17:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: No. The difference is what i would expect from you and them. The thought never crossed your mind that my expectations of your scumgame are also different compared to others when you complained about my "treatment of you"? Obviously I'm more careful of you. By the way, as scum I've almost always aimed to pocket you... In any case, I post much more and much more carelessly as town. Of course it's not going to be always as logical compared to my times as scum/3P. Think of it this way. In Diplomacy it's basically a FFA of 3P's. You have to carefully consider everything you say, so your messages will naturally be more planned out. Here as town you don't need to consider anything else than how to solve the game / have some fun. It's very different. | ||
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If there is any blue in this game, please claim after all. 2 checks + self-clear + rayn-clear should be enough. Alternatively catching rayn early would be a high reward. | ||
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On March 24 2017 10:54 AMG wrote: The thing thats got me not wanting to immediately kill Xalatos is that I cant see him allowing a night kill on Ritoky. That to me says AFK/inactive scum team Have we played together? | ||
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On March 24 2017 13:48 AMG wrote: Xalatos, Ill be around after I finish work in a couple hours, will you be here? I want to converse with you a bit I'll be going to work just now. I'll probably check out the thread at some points, but I won't really be able to play much. | ||
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On March 24 2017 14:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sorry. But Xatalos is town 100% so you kinda got a check. ??? | ||
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Game should be really easy from here then. Just RB/check the shit out of the remaining suspects and they're done for. | ||
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Dunno WTF scum wouldn't block you though if they weren't going to kill you. | ||
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On March 24 2017 14:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mafia had not rb'd me on N2 so you have to be town. The only other option is that df is scum but he is uncv'd cop so its just onegu and tumble. Yea I guess the scumteam has to be pretty disorganized/inactive... all the actions are odd so far. | ||
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On March 24 2017 14:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: The remaining scumteam is exactly Onegu and Tumblewood or me and DF. Kind of agree.. | ||
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On March 24 2017 14:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: ggnore. They forgot to send in rb. I sent mine 10hrs into N2 because i was asleep. No other scumteam forgets to rb at the first hr. Lol.. reminds me of that VS game where I was catched as scum at LYLO since the only other suspect was provably AFK for the whole night... | ||
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On March 24 2017 15:09 AMG wrote: I think you were arriving here just as I was leaving. If i recall I read your newbie/first games. I respected what I saw enough to know that you wouldnt make stupid night kills. The ritoky kill happened before you went ham on me though >.> but whatever.. | ||
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Still at work though so gonna be pretty AFK. Onegu it is. | ||
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If someone wants to talk / ask something, go ahead. Can't really see why not to lynch Onegu right now. Onegu, if you're town, please do your best though (share your thoughts and bring new things to the table). | ||
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It'd be pretty surprising if both rayn/DF lived through tonight again anyway. POE is now pretty small (assuming DF/rayn are telling the truth). AMG+Tumble? Maybe disfo? Not many options left. | ||
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On March 25 2017 06:52 Tumblewood wrote: it would be real nice if onegu flipped scum, because then someone would get to clear me for certain (pssst) What did this mean btw? | ||
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On March 25 2017 07:15 Tumblewood wrote: why does anyone think amg is actually a possibility Not many other options left. He hasn't really done much else than (soft - or hard) defending Eden either. On the other hand, doubtful if he would have made these night actions / made some genuine-looking posts along the way (like where he talked about rayn being a dick etc ). | ||
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Then again, he's been pretty active and engaged... Not really fitting the profile of our scumteam here... | ||
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Just that, rayn + X or DF + X? | ||
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On March 25 2017 14:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am going to be so mad at Xatalos if Damdred is mafia in this game. If that's the case, I'll admit I was wrong when I said "at least I've been more correct than you". I really hope that's not the case though | ||
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On March 25 2017 11:41 Tumblewood wrote: maybe I could just go with the "never wrong on TvT arguments" theory and lynch amg and damdred. seems like a mighty easy play What's this theory? Thread shitfights are always TvT? >.> I'll admit I've never participated in one as scum, but I've seen cases of that happening. Me (town) vs rayn (scum) for example haha | ||
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On March 25 2017 19:49 disformation wrote: so. how does a team work that is e.g. df+x where x is not rayn? That's a good point... it doesn't even work. You're both fake claiming or genuinely claiming after all. | ||
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On March 25 2017 19:52 disformation wrote: if i remember correctly he had like calix and me as tvt for our d1 argument. Hm ok.. | ||
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On March 25 2017 20:06 disformation wrote: inb4 all vt after all xD though dont think it is very likely Heh yeah it's always the lingering doubt in the back of my head. I don't see a path for victory for them if that's the case though. Or do you? | ||
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(I guess it's not 100% impossible there's scum hiding within Damdred/Koshi, just not that likely.) | ||
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Tumbleweed, the hero we deserve - not always in the clearest state of mind, but occasionally coming through with the revelations we needed | ||
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On March 25 2017 20:43 disformation wrote: not as conclusive as i hoped though. remind me to bitch at ppl 24/7 to form two proper wagons. That's what I've been saying | ||
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Damdred DF Rayn (Rayn/DF assuming their claims are real) Most likely never lynch Kosher Tumble Lynch away? AMG disfo | ||
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That just leaves me with DF+rayn, but eh.... He'd have basically revealed the whole scumteam for little reason. | ||
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In that case, ALWAYS LYNCH THEM. No matter what. I just can't imagine a scenario where we mislynch 2 times with town rayn+DF. | ||
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On March 25 2017 22:39 darthfoley wrote: With a godfather and RB leaving us alive as lynch bait is pretty risky but also high reward. You continue to RB cop and hope rayn doesn't go god mode. There's literally no fucking reason for us to double fake claim with 9 people left in the game. There's no reason for rayn to fake claim when he did because Eden was up for lynch and rayn/myself (in your theory) definitely could've gotten Eden lynched over anyone else. Also, I see a lot of people commenting about how WEIRD the game is. Go find scum and stop lamenting over a challenging mafia game That would be an extremely risky play since they could easily get checked / blocked during the 3 following nights. In fact I'd say it would be a wonder if they didn't.... I guess if they're really desperate they might try that, but then we should win through the roles. | ||
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On March 25 2017 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: If we lynch town tomorrow then it's LYLO the next day. The only thing besides DF's alignment i am 100% sure about is that Xatalos is not mafia because there was no roleblock on me last night. Damdred wasn't really around either so i have to look at his interactions with Eden. But there is no way Xatalos does not roleblock me on N2, just no way. So first things first. Now that the other game is over i can actually talk about this. I played another game which i was alive for 33 days. In those 792 hours my vote was on a townie for a total times of one, for exactly 1 hour and 15 minutes, because i got tilted at Rels for suggesting i would make the dumbest night kill i have ever seen. For 32 days i tried to convince the town to lynch one of the most obvious mafias i have ever seen in any game i have played. Guess who was the only townie who got lynched that game? For being wrong on Hapa's alignment for 3 days when he afk'd and i had no time to interact with him and then someone just hammered him with almost 10 days left in the phase... And even when i was wrong i was right because i was pushing the other fucking mafia. Now that is not why i get mad irl. I get mad when even after all that there are completely illogical and straight out stupid people who cannot understand any sort or logic at all and tell me how i should play mafia. I had literally three scumreads in that game and all of them were mafia, even when i didn't think Hapa is mafia i couldn't tell who the third mafia is. So yeah, that was the 8th time i have gotten lynched as town. Out of those 8 times in 5 occasions i have only called out mafia/SK .At least almost - in that one dumb game i afk'd for 24 hrs for valentines day and came back with like 100 votes on me "bcz rayn never afks" and called out 7 people of which there was 5/5 were mafia and one SK. But no, "we are not reading your posts you are mafia bcz rayn never afks". So this is going to be most likely my last game of mafia, i have now tried like three times and it always ends up in the same way in like at most 10 games. On top of that i have had a terrible flu for a week and i have slept like 1hr max/night and at some random times during the day when i am not working. So i am sorry, especially for Calix for my words. I am also sorry for my completely retarded night 1. I for some dumb fucking retarded reason thought that (1) i should not jail ritoky after all because: - ritoky is either right and Eden is scum (40%) and i always lynch Eden if he dies - if ritoky is wrong he is probably mafia because that post looked like "polished" and too many words for saying simple things (40% -- now this would be higher but i know i am almost always wrong on ritoky's alignment early on in the game), he could be sending in the night kill if this is the case - ritoky is wrong and is town, in which case we figure that out on D2 Now if i jail ritoky and there is a no-kill, i don't know if he is town or mafia. I then made the retardation vol 2. Let's jail Xatalos! Because if Xatalos is mafia he would possibly send the kill as he is not being scumread (retarded conclusion). If Xatalos is somehow town and mafia is in a good position (aka if ritoky and Eden are both town), mafia can shoot Xatalos to frame me (now this is even semi-reasonable). The fucking idiotic thing i realized RIGHT after i saw the flip is that if there is a no-kill it leaves me in the same fucking position than it does with me jailing ritoky. Except for worse. So i am so so so sorry for that ritoky. I played like a fucking dumbass who has played like -4 games of mafia. I claimed when i did because i am pretty sure my mental state couldn't handle D2 otherwise. Thankfully Adam joined the game and saved me. I don't blame anyone for scumreading me and i don't think anyone is scum for scumreading me, and no Xatalos, i am smart enough to realize - regardless of my condition - that you are not mafia JUST BECAUSE you scumread me. I jailed darthfoley last night because i thought there is a high chance he's scum and if he's scum he will most likely do the kill. The problem is i fell asleep at the deadline (i honestly don't even remember i put my vote back on Xatalos at the EoD 2) because i was a fucking zombie and didn't actually send in my jail until at some hour when i woke up during the night. But that was a good thing because now i can be sure about Xatalos' alignment. Darthfoley. I sent in my jail at the exact deadline this time. I did not jail Tumble because i thought Onegu was flipping mafia and if that happens Tumblewood is very very very likely to be mafia. So basically the jail on him doesn't do anything (and if we are wrong on Onegu that is actually quite a terrible jail target - especially with his posting now). I am not going to change my target regardless and i am not going to imply who it is, but please do not check Xatalos. There is no way Xatalos does not roleblock a claimed jailkeeper in a setup like this. I actually really think rayn is town after reading this post (before it, I still had various doubts). Being traumatized by being the target of several mislynches, bad choice for N1 action etc. explain away pretty well what doubts I had about his D2 play (being unusually defensive and claiming prematurely etc.). He also asked me questions about what I would do as scum on N1 so it fits that he actually jailed me there. And it's not too odd that he kept having doubts about me since I did say that I wouldn't send myself to make the kill...And would probably send a Goon / null-read / scum-read player (at least I think I said that). So me being jailed wouldn't yet really clear me. | ||
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On March 26 2017 00:49 darthfoley wrote: My only problem is that koshi has been so wrong this entire game. Wrong about the Malongo ML (not a huge deal) but he also didn't really say much about it at the time. This might've been when he was irl afk though so there may be an explanation. He was also one of the people who switched very hard on to Xatalos when it seemed as though Eden might end up getting not mislynched. I think the numbers were like 4-3-3 Eden-Xata-disformation at the time. I believe I remember Xata remarking at the time how quickly Koshi seemed to jump on the Xata wagon. It just seems like a scum play tbh, especially if the team is Eden/Koshi/disformation. Koshi (and others) make sure the CW is Xata instead of SvS who would have a better role than AFK goon. I also think this is a relatively safe play from Koshi POV because he's unlikely to get checked my cop (for fear of checking someone who dies) and if he's GF a cop check won't matter. Plus if you jail him and there's no kill he can very reasonably claim "wtf man I wouldn't carry the KP, I was obviously the KP target" ... or his teammate carries KP and your jail is useless Plus now he's talking about how he is soooo lost in the game. Can someone more comfortable with his play tell me if he's ever been so unconfident of himself before? I agree the switch was oddly hard/sudden (from lock town to lock scum in like minutes). And it would fit the scum motive. But yeah, him directing these actions and overall playing solidly... I don't really buy it. | ||
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On March 26 2017 02:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: What's the point of the silent period then? :o Well the hosts have used it to resolve the actions so far? Usually the next day has started soon after the silent period started. | ||
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On March 26 2017 02:07 Tumblewood wrote: q&a with tumblewood + Show Spoiler [disfo] + On March 25 2017 18:12 disformation wrote: hmmmm... maybe i should use more spoilers in my big posts to make them more readable good idea + Show Spoiler [rayn] + any team with you or df on it doesn't make sense + Show Spoiler [xata] + On March 25 2017 19:44 Xatalos wrote: Tumble: who do you think would be the "pushover" scum in your theory for why ritoky was killed? I like the theory otherwise, but I don't really see who would just let Eden control the kill.. When he was barely even playing by N1. idk. i don't remember who was there at deadli ne but i don't expect it from anyone who was there at the time. i will have to check who was there and who was afk + Show Spoiler [xata] + On March 25 2017 19:50 Xatalos wrote: What's this theory? Thread shitfights are always TvT? >.> I'll admit I've never participated in one as scum, but I've seen cases of that happening. Me (town) vs rayn (scum) for example haha it's a very specific kind of shitfight. blind, righteous, and annoying. i historically have not been wrong in calling those and i don't want to start now + Show Spoiler [xata] + On March 25 2017 20:00 Xatalos wrote: Like I think of a reason anyone could be scum - and I come up with 2 reasons for being town........ sucks hahahaha feel my pain On March 25 2017 20:38 Xatalos wrote: + Show Spoiler + Tumbleweed, the hero we deserve - not always in the clearest state of mind, but occasionally coming through with the revelations we needed wait did i do something important + Show Spoiler [xata] + On March 25 2017 21:01 Xatalos wrote: I think he was referring to the theory of GF Onegu though? By saying "if he's scum". Doesn't really make any sense with GF Tumble if onegu flipped rb rayn could have jailed me and if the nk went through i would be cleared. if onegu flipped gf rayn could jail me and df could check me and either kp wouldn't go through or i'd have a green check. i felt pretty smart when i figured that one out. in retrospect it would allow scum to frame me though if they felt frisky thank you this is the end of the q&a Lol. That was.... something? :D | ||
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On March 23 2017 06:31 beentheredonethat wrote: Silence! On March 23 2017 06:36 beentheredonethat wrote: Day 3 Calix, the Vanilla Town, has been killed. Day 3 has begun and will end in (at Friday, Mar 24 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)). You may post. Look at this, rayn... I don't think actions can be changed after silence starts.... Although it might be best if you make sure with the host. | ||
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On March 26 2017 02:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Has disformation really called anyone scum in this game? I guess he has before returning to null upon reconsideration? | ||
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Meh, but I liked his posts today.. | ||
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On March 21 2017 00:12 disformation wrote: wolf not necessarily mafia here. just saw he had 15 pages and had this reaction What do you think now ROFL | ||
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Anyway I think Damdred is really quite townish from his vote behavior on D2 alone. disfo also went for Eden, and stayed on him all day, even though he seemed to consider me a bit at times... But that's not necessarily scummy. Dunno, I kind of like both Tumble and disfo? AMG is the only one I seriously think could be scum out of the remaining players. The last one... urgh | ||
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On March 26 2017 05:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xatalos. Let's say Tumblewood is mafia here. He votes for disformation when he did. What's the point there? I mean, whoever he votes for, does he look better? If he voted for Eden would you consider him looking any better for his vote than here? Well, it didn't really matter at that point. Just cringed at him placing it into a meaningless place even if it wasn't an important thing. | ||
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On March 26 2017 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Doesn't matter, i have now 3 days to solve the game. Be sure to thoroughly enjoy the conftown status | ||
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On March 26 2017 06:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's not the switch it's the reasons for it. Hmm... I did sort of get the feeling that he just latched onto my wagon and justified it somehow afterwards. There's a reasonable scum motive in there - being prepared to bus Eden, but when seeing the chance to get a mislynch before him, jumping onto it with force. I don't think the reasoning he thought up was super bad in itself, just the timing / the way how he went about it. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + I have a mighty urge to just sheep you, so I hope you're right + Show Spoiler + Personally I'd maybe lean towards AMG, but not sure. Should probably try to see which teams within AMG/Koshi/disfo/Tumble make sense. I very highly doubt Damdred is ever scum, for previously mentioned reasons, so the options are limited to those four now I guess. | ||
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AMG: all I know is that it has to be in Tumble/Disfo/Koshi in that case. I refuse to believe it's Damdred at this point... He hardly makes sense as scum with Eden. But I have yet to look into what teams would actually make sense among the rest, so I can't even say if you're 100% the best lynch today. + Show Spoiler + Mostly waiting for rayn's opinion. I'll probably sheep him today if he has a strong/reason-based stance. | ||
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On March 27 2017 20:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's kinda essential to not lynch mafia now for them, since otherwise i confirm a person in a way or another the next night. That's true yeah.... Especially if we get the RB. | ||
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On March 27 2017 20:23 AMG wrote: I think you were kept alive because Koshi was in your blind spot Rayn. DF wasn't having any of it so he died That or because rayn had to be RB'd anyway (since otherwise he might RB the KP carrier), it was more efficient role-wise to kill DF instead? In any case I guess it's possible he was killed also for his Koshi stuff. | ||
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On March 27 2017 20:40 disformation wrote: didnt even realize xata was voting koshi. like xata i get you are sheeping rayn, but rayn hasnt voted yet, so can you explain why koshi over me? Felt like the better pick. Koshi did jump on me pretty eagerly D2 despite townreading me hard until that "opportunity". In general he's just eagerly went for every possible mislynch when given the chance (Malongo D1, me D2, and possibly AMG today given how everyone piled on AMG earlier - including scum for sure). + Show Spoiler + I guess I'll sheep rayn onto you though if he wants to. | ||
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On March 27 2017 21:58 Koshi wrote: Why has Xatalos been jumpy to get off the AMG wagon? I don't understand it from his filter. Why? Well, I said that I'd sheep rayn today and he insisted on not lynching AMG. | ||
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On March 27 2017 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##vote disformation Why disfo today though? But I will comply. | ||
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On March 27 2017 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xatalos is the deadline now 1am for us? Yes seems so. 17+8=25 | ||
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On March 28 2017 00:58 Koshi wrote: From reading Eden his filter it is way more likely Damdred is his scumbuddy and not disformation. It's always wifom but Eden is not the best mafia player and it is way more likely he talks about a town!disformation here and a mafia!Damdred. In addition to that, though, Eden actually voted Damdred on D1 which put him in a realistic position to be lynched... And Damdred voted a (somewhat) crucial vote against Eden on D2 as well before it was at all clear how it would turn out. | ||
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Besides, I'd say it's easier to fabricate a listpost than to fabricate vote behaviour. The former carries no risk of any kind, just a bit of thinking with how to make your stances, whereas bus-focused vote behaviour is very risky as scum. | ||
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These are the pretty much impossible scumteams... Eden & Damdred -> Damdred out AMG & Koshi (as explained by rayn) Eden & disformation (not sure? - but this doesn't seem very likely to me, considering disfo went fast after Eden on D2, even before rayn had claimed and was up for lynch, and besides Eden hard-townread disfo which would be a bit unusual) So considering these facts, I don't think we should lynch Damdred or disformation today... And actually Tumblewood might be the best bet, since his vote history is pretty shady and he'd fit decently with Eden / anyone else.. What do you think rayn? Not really all that sold on disfo. | ||
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On March 28 2017 03:07 Koshi wrote: Can you give reasons why Damdred is town that does not involve Eden? Well, his posts were decent / reasonably insightful at some point. He's kind of faded away as the game progressed though, so just considering his play, I wouldn't hard-townread him. | ||
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On March 28 2017 03:08 Koshi wrote: Does anybody have meta on AMG? Is he a spammer? No idea | ||
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On March 28 2017 03:17 Koshi wrote: His only good moment was mid D1 to D2. Tell me where he was elsewhere good? Like I genuinely want to know. That's kind of what I thought too. | ||
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On March 28 2017 02:47 Damdred wrote: I (bias) think the double bus theory is pretty bad. I do like people defending me though In any case, Rayn why would you rather lynch disf for instance over say Tumble? Tumble did have a few good posts during the night cycle i'll give you that point. I just find his early game posts a bit strange still? His read progression on Eden just doesn't jive with me exactly, to hard townreading him, then calling him a red herring and its to easy but still voting him. And his going about the d1 lynch, doesn't want to vote you off but still leaves his vote on you ehhh. IDK it might be a bit of omgus with his constant on the damdred lynch train but his filter just seems a bit off and to willing to lynch down a list really. I'm not sure if Koshi is starting to fall out of town or not, like I could see town Koshi believing this but i'm not sure. Like this post is something I'd dislike quite a bit otherwise. So much hedging and non-conclusive points. Not good. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Ultimately I'll defer to rayn's judgment though. | ||
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On March 28 2017 03:21 Koshi wrote: That has been his last 6 days... Heh. Well, if he did indeed focus on double bussing with Eden during D1-D2, then his play after that would fit with scum motivations (basically laying low and preserving his "safe" status). IF though, it's a big IF. I could perhaps see myself doing that play, as I've done it before, but it's still unlikely to say the least. The biggest obstacle to him being scum is IMO how Eden just left the thread and left his vote on Damdred at a rather critical moment. | ||
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On March 28 2017 03:27 Koshi wrote: But Eden obviously wasn't planning on not coming back. See his message. Unless that was WIFOM but that is superlame. Hm... I'd hardly throw my vote on a strong player on my scumteam who is also GF/RB and in danger of being lynched, getting close to the deadline. Even if he thought he'd be back before DL. Well, that's a bit WIFOM I'll admit. | ||
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On March 28 2017 03:29 disformation wrote: wait. dl is in 3h30 now not 2h30? AFAIK the deadline changed starting from the next deadline, not this one. | ||
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On March 28 2017 03:45 disformation wrote: this doesnt tell me, who you will be voting for today, or why We just talked about that post | ||
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Are you really sure it's disfo+Koshi rayn...? | ||
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On March 28 2017 02:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: So like AMG + anyone but Koshi is like: "Hey let me bus Eden and lets have you super hard-defend him so i then you have to call you scum later for that" (which is also what happened... Suuuper duuuper dumb. Wait, I'm a bit confused. I probably misunderstood this point earlier. You meant that only Koshi would fit with AMG...? Hm.... | ||
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On March 28 2017 03:51 disformation wrote: amg has been all game. like he didnt even really push someone D2 over his tr on eden. He did kind of push me though, but didn't show up around EOD if I remember. | ||
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On March 28 2017 03:13 Xatalos wrote: On the other hand, here are some connection thingies I thought about. These are the pretty much impossible scumteams... Eden & Damdred -> Damdred out AMG & Koshi (as explained by rayn) Eden & disformation (not sure? - but this doesn't seem very likely to me, considering disfo went fast after Eden on D2, even before rayn had claimed and was up for lynch, and besides Eden hard-townread disfo which would be a bit unusual) So considering these facts, I don't think we should lynch Damdred or disformation today... And actually Tumblewood might be the best bet, since his vote history is pretty shady and he'd fit decently with Eden / anyone else.. What do you think rayn? Not really all that sold on disfo. (to rayn) To add to that: I seem to have misunderstood your AMG & Koshi post earlier. Apparently you meant that AMG & Koshi would be the only sensible team for both of them? Could you explain that better? | ||
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On March 28 2017 04:45 Koshi wrote: If you weren't confirmed you were 5000% scum. That's a pretty big if | ||
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On March 28 2017 05:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: And if there is bussing going on on D1 do you seriously think the person being bussed is Damdred who would be a mafia power role over Eden? No no nono... no. Yeah I agree with that though. | ||
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On March 28 2017 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: He has benn calling Eden out already after ritoky's post. What else is he gonna do? Like i can lynch Tumblewood too. I really don't care. I just think the case on AMG + Damdred are super fucking terrible. I'd probably prefer Tumble right now. Not really confident either way.... Tumble had some good posts a while back, but yeah, his voting record is bad and overall he hasn't done much of anything useful. | ||
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On March 28 2017 05:26 Koshi wrote: Damdred didn't die so it wasn't a bus. He can move his vote. Rels could come in and call Malongo mafia. Literally a million options. And nobody ever moved off Malongo, votes were even added. So don't tell me it was a "risk" when THERE IS NO SIGN OF A RISK IN A MILLION MILES" LOW RISK MAXIMUM PROFIT. Eden seemed pretty detached from the game at that point though, and barely active either, so I doubt he could take a calculated risk for not-so-much benefit and a decent risk IMO... | ||
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Damdred - 3 (Tumblewood, disfo, Koshi) disfo - 2 (rayn, Xata) Tumble - 1 (Damdred) Koshi - 1 (AMG) | ||
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On March 28 2017 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh got this is a fucking disaster... Hm? | ||
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On March 28 2017 05:35 AMG wrote: Just woke up catching up now Do hurry, you're in a pretty tight spot... | ||
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On March 28 2017 05:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: People and votecounts. See here: YES MAKES SENSE! Yeah reminds of the Malongo wagon. Malongo as the leader and others scattered around. Whereas when it was Eden, people consolidated on me as the counter. | ||
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On March 28 2017 05:40 Damdred wrote: i'll be here in about 40 minutes, can we not switch to tumble? If not i'll consolidate with confirmed town rayn, cause you shouldn't go against him in this situation. Yeah scum basically wins or loses today, so they'll probably go hard for their preferred lynch (AMG it seems?). Sheeping rayn seems like the safest option ultimately. | ||
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rank the following players according to your lynch preference: Tumble disfo Koshi | ||
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Tumble Koshi disfo? | ||
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Also there's only town on disfo so close to the deadline so far. That drops his chances of being town somewhat. | ||
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On March 28 2017 05:53 disformation wrote: sod of rayn im tired af No rest for the wicked | ||
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On March 28 2017 05:56 Koshi wrote: Fine. I am afk till deadline. Probably till tomorrow. ##unvote ##vote disformation Hm, what happened? | ||
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On March 28 2017 06:07 disformation wrote: actually scratch that. i am voting koshi for buddying me and then stabbing me in the back. Welcome to my world on D2 | ||
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On March 28 2017 06:22 Damdred wrote: Xata rayn and amg staying the course on disf? I'll vote with rayn. Better vote with the confirmed town and secure a lynch that's led by town for sure than spread votes and let scum decide basically. | ||
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On March 28 2017 06:26 Damdred wrote: Tw post feels off because he's mad koshi I getting looked at and to a lesser extent him. When one of his scumreads is in fact getting lynched. Makes 0 sense. To be fair Tumble hasn't made that much sense all game | ||
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I'm staying with rayn though, what are you doing Damdred and AMG >.> | ||
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On March 28 2017 06:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not really sure what mafia team of disfo + Tumble would do other than vote for each other? Well yeah I guess that's a good point. | ||
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On March 28 2017 06:43 Tumblewood wrote: in a world where disfo/damdred double bus is an impossible, mind-blowing possibility You mean Damdred and Eden double bussed each other, then disfo and Damdred went for the same plan right afterwards | ||
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On March 28 2017 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: NO NO NO DONT SWITCH FOR FUCKS SAKE. Alright.. | ||
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On March 28 2017 06:57 Tumblewood wrote: not too late to shenanny onto amg eh :D | ||
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On March 28 2017 06:57 Tumblewood wrote: NO XATA WHAT ARE YOU DOING Hm? | ||
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On March 28 2017 07:07 Damdred wrote: But what's the point of outing both partners at once like that? I mean total wifom bomb Well scum basically lost the game today if they got one of them lynched. rayn could with high probability roleblock the remaining scum forever. | ||
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On March 28 2017 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like one of Damdred and AMG is a fucking retard. Because scum always wins the vote if they don't vote with me and you. Fucking fuck what a joke. Can't really disagree. I was pretty surprised when I saw they both went to Tumble suddenly, but I thought it was still fine. I didn't expect Koshi to ninja vote so boldly at the end. Should have thought about that in hindsight.. | ||
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On March 28 2017 05:28 Koshi wrote: Go vote AMG then. Let rayn RB Damdred or Tumble right at night, and we go from there. Looking at posts like these, it's a bit hard to believe it could be anyone but disfo >.> | ||
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On March 28 2017 07:29 Damdred wrote: But what's the point of saccing koshi as a team he was more townread than disf and he would of gotten a bit of cred for that lynch. And i mean tumble might of been next anyway? Well I guess disfo might be the RB? Then it would make perfect sense. Otherwise rayn could roleblock without worries tonight, report his target beforehand, and either block scum KP (instant win) or "green-check" a player with a kill happening through the block (practically winning the game as well with that). | ||
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If you're willing to put in the effort, go through Koshi's filter? I'm sure there are some gems in there. | ||
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Koshi 99% scum (ninja mislynch..) Disfo 70% scum (saved by ninja mislynch - RB?) AMG 20% scum (attacked me along with Koshi on D2, but pretty hard to believe scum with Koshi after yesterday) Damdred 10% scum (nothing is impossible? well, unlikely scum with Eden) AMG and Damdred are as high as they are only because of how they played against town's best interests yesterday, letting scum control the lynch instead of conftown rayn. So that makes it slightly more likely there could be scum within AMG/Damdred. Even so, disfo is the most likely partner for Koshi, and probably RB since he risked it all to deal with rayn tonight. | ||
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On March 29 2017 10:01 AMG wrote: I think sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and these two are just scum. In a world where disfo is town, Koshi could have just afk'd on Disfo like he said he was going to, we lynch disfo, then he gets to say "well i just followed confirmed town rayn onto this wagon, not my fault". And the only person that was completely sold on his scumness at that point was me. Rayn gets shot overnight, Koshi continues to dump shit on me over the next day, Xalatos is happy enough to lynch me tomorrow, or possibly tumble. Theres so much more room to win from there if disfo isnt scum with him. Yeah, it just seems better to stay on disfo if disfo is town. Koshi still looks somewhat townie, Tumble is an easy mislynch in the future and everything just works out better. No need to do such a crazy risky play with town disfo.. | ||
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On March 29 2017 06:07 Damdred wrote: Yeah only way to really get past today. But let's not just afk it ignore koshi I guess and search. AMG, when the vote got so tight why didn't you go back to rayn? Or when he said he wasn't sswitching why did you stay? Disformation and xata can you both explain your progression on your Eden read? Me? Why not I guess. Not that I remember the details anymore, but I think he opened the game decently enough (with plausible-looking cases etc.), but then never really pursued them (or anything) and simply looked worse and worse towards the end of N1. At that point I was still more concerned about rayn, but after he claimed, I reread some things and thought that Eden/DF looked the worst out of all filters. And it was me vs Eden so obviously I would vote for Eden. | ||
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On March 30 2017 03:03 disformation wrote: aight thats a bit of a hard one. going to assume koshi flips scum (otherwise it doesnt matter since game over). i feel like koshi tried to push everyone in the thread. damdy being with koshi would explain why koshi scum read damdy super scum but voted someone else over damdy. but then there would be the mega bus and damdy seems to be the only one still thinking about the game. xata + koshi + eden would make little sense given how d2 went. more likely scum!koshi tried to get town!xata lynched to by scum!eden one more day. so could scum!amg and scum!koshi try to push xata together? mayhaps. though amg didnt seem very interested to actually push. so unless something really insane went down d2 i dont see it being xata. there are some points that could fit with damdy + koshi, but then there is the eden thing. so not very likely. then we have amg, with whom i still have the same problems with as yesterday. plus he annoyed me earlier. so. when/if i find the time ill look at damdy/koshi and amgs filters again. not reading xatas filter. that thing is an aberration. | ||
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1) Koshi's actions - he went hard after AMG last day, kind of pushed Damdred too and only "stabbed" disfo without reasoning when it looked like disfo was doomed - but then he came back anyway and saved disfo when there was a chance - all I can think of is that disfo was the Roleblocker and was needed to deal with rayn last night - I guess we'll see about that after Koshi's flip 2) POE - kind of related to Koshi's actions, but Koshi makes by far the most sense as scum with disfo based on yesterday, and even before that, Damdred doesn't make much sense as scum with Eden | ||
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Otherwise maybe AMG, but... Last day was pretty odd if Koshi's master plan as scum with AMG was to simply push AMG with all his might, and almost succeeding, until rayn counter-pushed strongly away from AMG. | ||
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On March 30 2017 06:56 Damdred wrote: Just a super weird set of kills n1 with koshi in the team. The calix kill seems to be she was suspicious of koshi+General townreads. Also strange no block on rayn n2. Ritoky did have disf in his scum list though. Calif hard town xata. Not to much to go on in that regard. The thing I hate most about the game is I am going to have to read xata and disf filter tommorow. | ||
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On March 31 2017 06:56 Damdred wrote: I just don't get the play ya know? Tumble wasn't living the game out and koshi would have a better shot winning than disf. I guess disfo's flip would have given us an additional mislynch though, and (semi)cleared Tumble.. It would have been very difficult for Koshi to survive from there. Not to mention that rayn could have possibly just RB'd him, blocking his KP.. And it's always psychologically more difficult to play "alone" as scum IMO | ||
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On April 01 2017 03:51 disformation wrote: d2 votes indicate xata making perfect sense as scum. I was in very real danger of being lynched though. I certainly wouldn't allow my scumteam to force a me vs Eden situation on D2, especially since Eden was barely even playing and a Goon. I would have most likely totally bussed Eden with the whole team or maybe, maybe tried to get a townie lynched. | ||
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On April 01 2017 06:01 disformation wrote: its pretty hard to shoot yourself. not sure why you would shoot amg over damdy though. guess for the wifom you just posted? Sure, I guess | ||
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On April 01 2017 06:08 disformation wrote: both situations you describe dont make sense with me on the team. I was talking about what I'd have done, not what you'd have done though. And you did kind of do a similar thing. Bussed Eden, but entertained the option of voting me all the way until it was practically an impossible move to make. | ||
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On April 01 2017 23:23 Damdred wrote: Xata what was the point in going after rayn so early d2 over Eden really? Like ritoky does has a good case on eden, I have a ok case that stretches two days on eden. So why not look at Eden more oor lynch him before rayn? Disf why are you always so hesitant to really do things on your own the whole game without being prodded really? Your votes are also really stagnant even though you are here eod with shenanigans going to happen. And how was it a backstab koshi voting you? I hate that wording you used because backstab implies friend/same team instead of an unknown meh. Super annoying I thought i would be dead, kinda implies that disf is scum cause angbwould of been stupid easy lylo for xata Not sure if I remember my D2 thoughts completely anymore, but I think I was most concerned about rayn at D2 start. He's hard to catch as scum, and he had already shown behavior related to his scumplay (pushing several weak cases with (fake?) confidence through D1 etc.), so I was pretty alarmed. I guess objectively looking Eden was the worst, and definitely deserved to be lynched, but there was still a chance he could flip town and in that case a huge single wagon on Eden would have been a giant waste of time. That being the case, I thought rayn was the most deserving of being the second wagon - until he claimed. Then the second wagon switched to me and I felt that was pretty fine, actually, so I focused mostly on how people pushed me rather than thinking of a third wagon (pretty pointless to have more than two). Koshi's attitude to me was definitely the most out of place, and it should have dropped him lower in my reads, but there was also what AMG, rayn etc were doing so that split my attention in several directions. In the end, I didn't reap the full benefits of the flow of D2 (=Koshi practically scumclaiming by going hard after me to save Eden), but it was still an OK day all around. | ||
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On April 02 2017 07:21 Damdred wrote: Also voting xata for clarity ^^. Teehee I bet that caused some tables to be flipped in ObsQT roflmao + Show Spoiler + Almost choked myself for a bit. But immediately went to check the actual voting thread since the vote didn't seem to match with your posts at all. | ||
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On April 02 2017 07:24 Damdred wrote: Yeah I can see that. Alsovi have a theory why rayn wasn't blocked n2 but really meh. The theory being? disfo and Koshi being away or something? Not sure if they were around at that time. | ||
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On April 03 2017 02:42 Damdred wrote: Disf if your scum just tell me bro we can work this out so I can spite lynch xata today for past mistakes ^^. Ouch. That would ruin my 10+ game record (I think?) of not being mislynched as town... At least I haven't been in a long, long time. | ||
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On April 03 2017 02:43 Damdred wrote: Really do hope disf comes back though seriously kinda want to hhear what he has to say Well, not sure what there is to be said at this point. Everything kind of fits with disfo being scum. Why rayn wasn't blocked (sort of makes sense since rayn was townreading disfo/Koshi), why I was pushed over Eden/disfo by Koshi (obviously to save his scummates) etc. etc. | ||
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On April 03 2017 03:51 disformation wrote: so. if i was scum, what would prevent me from shooting you and going like "oh welp seems i was wrong, must have been amg after all"? Seems pretty stupid to spend all night searching dirt on me and then killing me, no? Talk about a waste of effort... | ||
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On April 03 2017 03:53 disformation wrote: have you said anything today that isnt 100% wifom? That's not WIFOM, but pure gameplay logic. It's 100% impossible that I'm scum if we assume rayn told the truth about his night actions. I don't see why he would lie. | ||
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On April 03 2017 03:56 disformation wrote: what prevents koshi or eden from delievering the shot? Eden was dead and Koshi was already roleblocking. Unless we assume Koshi would skip roleblocking and KP instead, but I don't see why he would do that. | ||
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On April 03 2017 04:05 disformation wrote: like as jk i would jail defensively n1. was actually somewhat surprised rayn went offensive n2. It's a double-edged sword defensively though - could cripple the Cop as well. And if it hits the KP carrier, you both protect a kill + reveal scum. Win-win. Depends on if you have any strong scum-reads I guess. | ||
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On April 03 2017 04:14 Damdred wrote: This isn't necessarily true, if I would of died it would point to you or amg as scum. (Imo) If I live it points towards disf being scum but I know that as well as you know that. So it becomes a wifom bomb that's hard to get around but needs to be ignored. Hm yeah I guess your death would make disfo a bit less likely scum. | ||
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On April 03 2017 04:31 Damdred wrote: It's sorta what I'm worrying about koshi wouldn't sac himself without someone in good standing. But I don't want to be bad again and the amg kill is so shit of xata is scum. And every other night action so far... I wouldn't have approved of a single one of them yet (except killing rayn and DF, but even those were far too late IMO). Well, disfo being scum makes some of them sensible at least... It's not useful to look at it from the perspective of me being scum since in actual fact, I'm town. I guess I've been a bit lazy today. I just don't see the sense in second-guessing myself at this stage since you being town has been shown already through several events (D1 lynch most of all) and disfo fits by far the best with scum actions in this game. | ||
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On April 03 2017 04:57 Damdred wrote: I don't get this post really xata, like even at the time I thought I was pretty bad meh.. Well, Koshi was in fact scum and I was suspicious of him to some extent. Tumble also didn't give the best impression and even you were voting for him, so do you think it was a bright and towny wagon..? Basically 50% of it was scum or scummy-looking. Meanwhile I thought you and AMG on Tumble were probably town, and disfo could be town, so it looked better in comparison. Of course I failed to consider that Koshi was bus-voting at that point. | ||
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On April 03 2017 04:59 disformation wrote: also: i generally have a hard time remembering what xata did this game. you know besides the super early d1 confusion stuff with you and me and him being pushed by a flipping koshi d2. and he has a 42 page filter... Well, your filter is over half of mine, and I think the term "non-impactful" applies to you more than anything.... I've at least pushed several wagons, engaged in various fights on different issues etc. You've just kind of coasted by unnoticed all game. | ||
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On April 03 2017 06:02 Calix wrote: The only thing more painful than having my hair curled was watching Damdred flounder around in the thread Sorry I was a bit inactive today, but I didn't think Damdred would fall for it anyway. Looking at the last pages he might have though haha | ||
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On April 03 2017 05:57 Damdred wrote: I sorta do want to kill xata meh | ||
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Good because I'm not considered stupid? Or bad because my filter was otherwise lacking? >.> | ||
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On April 03 2017 06:05 disformation wrote: i was laughing like crazy when we got the last second switch though It was kind of funny. Not completely sure if it was the best plan though. I feel Koshi might have had a chance to avoid rayn's RB the following night, then mislynch Tumble and AMG... But it would have been hard and tedious for sure. And risky in the sense that rayn could have as well blocked him to death. So... Not really all that much you could do at that point.. | ||
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On April 03 2017 06:06 beentheredonethat wrote: Some host learnings: * three people had to be replaced out. Scum suffered the most from that. * get rid of the jailkeeper vs. scum rb timestamp rule. it is dumb and not fun. * do not engage in discussions in the obs qt Overall, I felt like I did a "lazy host" job. I hope that you were at least provided the vote counts at points where you needed them and I hope that you enjoyed playing - I for one did enjoy hosting although there were some ups and downs. I will issue some ban list actions for some players, mainly warnings due to failure to vote etc. but yeah I will look at this in detail later. Thanks for playing! Yeah that timestamp rule wasn't the best. I feel it would be better to have an automatic action preference list, like for example scum RB > town RB > town JK etc. etc. | ||
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On April 03 2017 06:11 disformation wrote: so sorry for my scum mates for tanking d5, but i was in a kinda awkward spot Would have been a miracle to win from there really. You did put a nice fight. I even thought you might have convinced him a bit when I returned to the thread a few minutes before the end. | ||
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RelsPerson was signed in when posted 03-24-2017 05:42 AM ET (US) ritoky reads: waifu waifu Xata answered with a fucking awesome meme song too gonna check that awesome read post that apparently got you killed =D | ||
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raynpelikoneetPerson was signed in when posted 03-29-2017 05:42 AM ET (US) Like here the only scenario where the day ends in mafia lynch with Damdred + AMG voting like they did is if exactly disformation and Tumblewood are mafia. In which case you should also lynch disformation (because it covers the other scenario aswell). | ||
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On April 03 2017 06:40 AMG wrote: Haaa you guys seriously want to play with me again after that game! I subbed in, called both scum townies, bumbled around for 2 cycles, got lampooned by the scum, then shot. This game was a rollercoaster for me, highs and lows I don't think you were especially bad. Your push on me D2 and on Tumble D4 were kind of... eh... especially the D4 thing, but you were engaged and posted good posts as well. More than can be said be said of a lot of players on this site | ||
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KoshiPerson was signed in when posted 03-31-2017 07:24 AM ET (US) Yeah but for some reason we thought it was also more likely Calix was blue over rayn. Not sure why. | ||
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KoshiPerson was signed in when posted 04-01-2017 10:53 AM ET (US) N2 we didn't know who was jk ... | ||
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CalvaryPerson was signed in when posted 04-02-2017 04:42 PM ET (US) /m214 Then there will be enough salt to rival the Dead Sea post-game. 214 DF 04-02-2017 04:40 PM ET (US) What if Damdred actually throws this | ||
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On April 03 2017 06:53 Calix wrote: I think it was POE from what I read in the scum chat. They had it narrowed down to DF/ AMG/ Calix and since I'm so amazing, they shot me because I was onto them, because I was a town leader AND because they thought I could be the Cop. I'm totally not smug Gotta read the scumteam, but just what... How did they not realize rayn was JK... | ||
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disformationPerson was signed in when posted 03-17-2017 12:27 PM ET (US) im going to spend all fucking game trying to explain that xata bs. and at some point someone will lynch me for it. | ||
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On April 03 2017 06:55 Calix wrote: Maybe it's because I'm naturally cocky about never being lynched and people read this as me having a role. I know a couple of players have said in the past that they TPR-read me because I say things like "lol I'm never getting lynched/ you'll lose if you're against me" or what have you. Yeah I also say that often, because I've been only lynched in like 5% of my towngames, and those games were several years ago.. | ||
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On April 03 2017 06:57 Damdred wrote: You know the sad thing is I use to be feared by most scum teams even when ibwas wro ng . Now no respect from you kids. FeelsBadMan No respect for old-timers anymore.. | ||
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On April 03 2017 06:59 Calix wrote: Day 1 was amazing, lol. Imagine if scumformation had actually been lynched over that. That would have been truly epic. And he'd still be continued about why he got lynched in the first place :D | ||
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KoshiPerson was signed in when posted 03-22-2017 07:10 AM ET (US) Links are blocked or something? Anyway: 519746-generic-mini-mafia?page=62#1226 df instantly believes the claim 519746-generic-mini-mafia?page=62#1231 believes it is a scumslip because mafia knows the setup. Looks like he knows the setup as well? | ||
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The horror... | ||
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