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On June 10 2017 20:59 Holyflare wrote: When tw is mafia and has done nothing redeeming and claimed under pressure of a case you sheeped then yes mafia tube does go against the thread to save his team.
Seems better to bus him and have killed both my scum mates. WIFOM at best.
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On June 10 2017 21:07 beentheredonethat wrote: Tumble or HF are scum. Ezpz. I think its Tumble. Dunno why HF is all paranoid over ritoky
Because his check on you doesn't add up to his scum reads.
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But regardless of that he still looks better than tumble who refuses to answer anything. Then you have to ask how come he could post his bh meta so quickly now but not on d1 but claimed doctor?
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tube if HF flips mafia who do you think the last scum is? who are the people that are possibly scum?
can I get this post from you
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TW what about you? I think I remember you saying it's between PB, me l, and ritoky
and can I get an actual argument because none of you are persuading me to lynch HF over TW right now
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On June 10 2017 12:54 Prison Break wrote: I don't think I'd mind a Tubesock lynch
if we're right and the 3 PR's get left alive, that's good as only 1 can get rb'd
but if one get nightkilled we're one closer to it
but only if we're really certain on tubesock though, thoughts on this?
idk this clusterfuck of claim arguing is making me want to lynch one to get information since I have no idea wtf is going on besides a lot of yelling and a lot of nothing being learned
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I'm pretty sure I did a lot of educational work instead of arguing?
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On June 10 2017 23:05 Holyflare wrote: I'm pretty sure I did a lot of educational work instead of arguing?
Wasn't referring to you
I meant if TW is town start working on convincing me andnprobably PB and BTDT (assuming they are both town) to get votes off him because his lack of presence N2 D2 isn't helping his hf is scum over me case
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also ritoky what are your thoughts on you possibly being scum that HF mentioned?
I can't say that's not a possibility because the way I see it, it's vig doc, vig cop, or doc cop
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On June 04 2017 03:53 ritoky wrote: the person i think is most mafia right now is probably BTDT. i think his reads are cheap and hollow.
he defends TW for missing a joke "full frontal" (w/e the shit that means); when from my experience lacking a sense of humor is more mafia indicative than town.
he defends grack from vivax because of last game? he doesn't disagree with vivax that what grack is doing isn't more scum indicative, he just says "don't call him mafia cuz he said terrible things last game too". read as mafia trying to pocket/protect weak town a bit.
he prods the new player, which is easy for anyone to do.
he calls out PB for sounding wishy-washy....but that makes no sense to me. he has a read on TW and grack from previous games, but not on PB. in the previous game PB was incredibly definitive and made tons of sense pretty much all game long. in this game PB sounds more unsure and makes less sense. it makes me think PB is more likely town, so why does PB sounding dissimilar to last game make him think PB is the same alignment as last game?
dunno....pretty much don't like anything of what he has posted.
This + a lot of follow-up posts make the BTDT check believable
On June 05 2017 04:38 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 04:29 beentheredonethat wrote: yo ritoky when you're done calling me bad what do you think about Holyflare? i think he's probably town.
On June 05 2017 04:49 ritoky wrote: i think hf isn't mafia for a couple reasons:
1) he was phone posting at the wedding. this is shitty reasoning, but i got the sense he was so frustrated with rolling mafia that he would have just afk'd through the wedding had he rolled it again.
2) his reaction to one of tube's posts about conv and pb was pretty much identical to my reaction to it.
3) he is pushing LS in a way that doesn't feel like he is pocketing LS or is in a QT with LS
4) he hasn't talked about me much/given reads on me formally, which is how he tends to act toward me as town on day 1
5) he is defending BH, who i feel hf values as one of the few players on the player list with game-solving potential if he tries. as mafia i think he would be content to let BH just die.
On June 05 2017 05:00 ritoky wrote: vivax, do you think TW is town?
Posts like these make his stance on TW scum, HF town believable, and maybe makes it less likely that he's scum claiming to get both lynched (although this was before he knew HF was blue, obviously)
I was semi-paranoid for a sec of Ritoky + BTDT scumteam because BTDT comes in here, and "disappearing" (that he liked to accuse me of this game), rides his conf. town status and suggests "TW then HF", but now that I'm filtering Ritoky
On June 05 2017 08:58 ritoky wrote: people are voting fidei cuz?
this is like the thing he has going against him
On June 05 2017 06:25 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 06:20 Vivax wrote:On June 05 2017 00:41 kitaman27 wrote: Day One Vote Count
Blazinghand (2): Grackaroni, Tubesock Tumblewood (2): Holyflare, Fidei86 beentheredonethat (2): Prison Break, ritoky Grackaroni (1): Blazinghand Fidei86 (1): Onegu Holyflare (0): LightningStrike Vivax (0): Blazinghand
Not Voting (5): Conversion, Tumblewood, Vivax, beentheredonethat, LightningStrike
Blazinghand is currently set to be lynched.
remains in the cycle.
This game RN. Yes ritoky is giving me the creeps lately cause he's oblivious to HFs misinformation campaign and my posts about PB. He keeps pretending PB doesn't exist. what the hell am i supposed to think abt PB that i don't? he hasn't done a whole lot -> coin flippy, he sounds different than before -> townie, he has low content per words -> mafia, he promised reads then fucked off -> most players in the game so he's a coin flip who i said i would consider lynching. what am i missing?
this seems pretty townie though, not trying to make me look worse or better than I am or be vague or convince others into doing X
On June 06 2017 04:03 ritoky wrote: looking outside the ppl who voted mafia:
i think PB's post about his reaction to the lynch is pretty similar to mine, although him never delivering on his promised reads is meh. he came to the same conclusion i did about the 3 people i think are town because of the lynch and he looks toward the same spot i do for the mafia on the wagon (grack + ls). but when he starts saying things that make tons of sense to me, it's kinda the opposite of why i had him town leaned earlier.
btdt played the emo card on me and i am hard pressed to get over that. i think his filter and play isn't particularly townie, but he played the emo card....
conv is certainly not particularly useful at the moment, but i don't get the sense that he is malicious or mafia. i told him "stop doing this and give me reads." and then he immediately produced reads that seemed genuine; so i have a difficult time thinking he's mafia.
then vivax....i guess vivax COULD be mafia? but then i been pretty wrong this game. but doesn't vivax just see the runaway train and bus his partner for the nickle or dime's worth of credit he would get? i would have.
this seems like a good reason to check BTDT
yea I think TW-Tubesock is still the most likely team
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No it doesn't seem like a good reason because if you read his night posts he votes LS and makes a case on him being mafia and then does the same for grack but then checks btdt who be now basically town reads because of emotion.
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Is there any reason scum Ritoky wouldn't just say he checked LS, then?
I compare this to you holding your shot: if it's a fake claim it's easier to just not put yourself in a situation where you'd have to justify controversial choices, but if you held your shot and ritoky checked BTDT, then as town so be it, he can't go "wait, I should've checked LS instead".
And I'm not sure if the emotional part was a good reason to townread him at that point, esp since he had raged a scumgame as well
If you think TW isn't scum you have to tell us before we lynch him, not turn this into vivax 2.0
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esp if you're suggesting "lynch me then TW" which is just terrible if you think ritoky was scum
I assume you said that to bait scum only
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On June 10 2017 23:53 Prison Break wrote: Is there any reason scum Ritoky wouldn't just say he checked LS, then?
I compare this to you holding your shot: if it's a fake claim it's easier to just not put yourself in a situation where you'd have to justify controversial choices, but if you held your shot and ritoky checked BTDT, then as town so be it, he can't go "wait, I should've checked LS instead".
And I'm not sure if the emotional part was a good reason to townread him at that point, esp since he had raged a scumgame as well
If you think TW isn't scum you have to tell us before we lynch him, not turn this into vivax 2.0
To save LS for a mislynch later because he's extremely mislynchable if he's town.
He's partners with LS or btdt.
To make his claim more believable by voting a fringe player and getting their alignment "correct".
Many reasons really.
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No, I absolutely think TW is mafia. But there's bits that strike me as him being not mafia-y like his willingness to interact with me, his saying sorry in spoilers. They make me have my doubts.
Whike ritoky just makes a ride or die list with little reasoning that doesn't include me and afks through this after checking someone he wasn't particularly scum reading. That bugs me a lot but isn't enough to call him mafia.
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On June 10 2017 23:57 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2017 23:53 Prison Break wrote: Is there any reason scum Ritoky wouldn't just say he checked LS, then?
I compare this to you holding your shot: if it's a fake claim it's easier to just not put yourself in a situation where you'd have to justify controversial choices, but if you held your shot and ritoky checked BTDT, then as town so be it, he can't go "wait, I should've checked LS instead".
And I'm not sure if the emotional part was a good reason to townread him at that point, esp since he had raged a scumgame as well
If you think TW isn't scum you have to tell us before we lynch him, not turn this into vivax 2.0 To save LS for a mislynch later because he's extremely mislynchable if he's town. He's partners with LS or btdt. To make his claim more believable by voting a fringe player and getting their alignment "correct". Many reasons really.
By checking * a fringe player.
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On June 10 2017 23:54 Prison Break wrote: esp if you're suggesting "lynch me then TW" which is just terrible if you think ritoky was scum
I assume you said that to bait scum only
Not really, I meant it and was very drunk
Ne dying is normally the only way to validate my play and get people to sheep me.
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There's also a post of ritoky's that he uses as proof he's cop where he calls out vivax. If ritoky is mafia looking to fake claim next cycle and has been setting up tw then of course he knows vivax is fake claiming cop on me since he knows both vivax and I are town and can easily make that "are you not rescinding" post.
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This is a duper simple weighing up that I'm doing in my head to figure out the claims:
Tw - cased day 1 massive tmi and inconsistencies, didn't have answer to bh meta claimed doc instead (but somehow answered it in tiny paragraph within 10 minutes now?), afkd all game, claimed rb all game, blindly believes ritoky claim over me and shovels as much as he can in my direction with no thought
Ritoky - mediocrely towny all game, scum read ls/grack but checked btdt despite town reading (his reason was that he didn't want to lose to emotion instead of checking scum reads??), pushed some ok things, been active.
They're both shit claims but one of those claims was forced day 1 as survival instead of answering simple questions and the other was to kill tw and has been mediocrely towny all game. So yeh tw looks worse on paper.
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So wait what happens if we leave all the claims alive? Isn't that better than potentially lynching 2 blues in a row?
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