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On June 03 2017 08:18 Blazinghand wrote: 26536752 mod 13 is 8, Vivax is the RNG for to day (since although being in slot 6, he is in fact the 8th person if you count the two newbies) Where does the number come from? | ||
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On June 03 2017 12:49 Vivax wrote: Morning. I think TW has rolled scum again cause his opening post is exaggeratedly aggressive but the followup doesn't carry the same conviction. I don't think he has much faith into his own argument and keeps reluctantly dragging it along afterwards to keep the appearance. Tone just doesn't appear natural and relaxed to me since we just started out. Do you agree y/n? Disagree because his point in the first post was focused more on Tubesock's post being dumb than Tubesock being scum. | ||
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On June 03 2017 16:08 Vivax wrote: I don't think it was that obvious like for Grack that TW wasn't using that to form a scumread instead of using that to criticize Tube without scumhunting purposes. Nonsense. I'm best known for my reading comprehension. | ||
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On June 04 2017 03:53 ritoky wrote: the person i think is most mafia right now is probably BTDT. i think his reads are cheap and hollow. he defends TW for missing a joke "full frontal" (w/e the shit that means); when from my experience lacking a sense of humor is more mafia indicative than town. he defends grack from vivax because of last game? he doesn't disagree with vivax that what grack is doing isn't more scum indicative, he just says "don't call him mafia cuz he said terrible things last game too". read as mafia trying to pocket/protect weak town a bit. he prods the new player, which is easy for anyone to do. he calls out PB for sounding wishy-washy....but that makes no sense to me. he has a read on TW and grack from previous games, but not on PB. in the previous game PB was incredibly definitive and made tons of sense pretty much all game long. in this game PB sounds more unsure and makes less sense. it makes me think PB is more likely town, so why does PB sounding dissimilar to last game make him think PB is the same alignment as last game? dunno....pretty much don't like anything of what he has posted. This is a good post. Except for the part about TW which I don't think is alignment indicative for either btdt or TW. | ||
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People I'm liking: Ritoky Prison Break LightningStrike Conversion. (This one will seem weird. But I liked the tone of his post) People I'm disliking: Btdt Blazinghand (from experience with Blazinghand) The rest haven't interested me too much. And I think there's been way too much focus on what happened between Tubesock and Tumblewood when neither of their posts were too interesting to me. | ||
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On June 04 2017 06:51 Vivax wrote: Grack has achieved a new dimension of mafia laziness but his latest read post ends up at something similar like where I am. Gonna see what he comes up with further. I maintain that he didn't try to do jack in early game and even less than last game where at least he actively constructed shit posts (like inserting wrong quotes on purpose). I'm not being lazy. I just read less into some things than other people do and don't blow up over minor things early game like you did accusing me of being boring after my 2nd post. | ||
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On June 04 2017 08:38 Vivax wrote: There's enough info in the thread RN and I still don't have the feeling that you're trying to do much with it, but you keep noticing it every time whenever you are adressed. Like, no opinion on HF, fidei. You do give out a bunch of reads but there's barely any explanation behind them. You keep coming back to BHs RNG as even if it mattered anything if he explained where the number came from. No hint at all that you're having fun or are invested whatsoever into the game. Others sort of have a tone to them, you don't. You just seem completely unemotional. If you think you have a reason to be like this and realize it, then be open about it, but if you told me that you are like you always are as town, I'd have a hard time believing it. I need to know how Blazinghand gets the number so that I can random lynch in future games. Palmar and I have both been foiled by this before in our random lynchings. HF isn't doing anything noteworthy. Fidei is being overly town read. I think my tone is more dependent on the tone of the thread and who I'm talking to than what alignment I roll. | ||
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On June 04 2017 09:04 Tumblewood wrote: specifically I mean grack is probably town. every game I see grack getting scumread by other townies but never really pushed, but he always comes through with the sort of analysis that's right on the money once or twice lol I always get lynched off. But Blazinghand needs to step up his game right now. He's best known for taking pictures of boxes to convince people that he was moving and too busy to post just because he didn't want to post as scum. | ||
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On June 04 2017 09:16 Blazinghand wrote: YOU SEEM QUITE CONFIDENT IN MY RNG FOR A GUY WHO DOESNT KNOW ABOUT MY RNG You RNG as scum and as town, but you make an effort to avoid contributing as town. I didn't say that because you RNG'd you must definitely be scum. I said that if you don't pick up your play you are, which is true. | ||
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On June 04 2017 09:23 Blazinghand wrote: I'm not talking about your read on me, Grack. Screw your read, that's irrelevant bull crap. I'm talking about the fact that you were trying to fake lack of knowledge about or familiarity with my RNG. You're caught in a lie and trying to talk about something else, but everyone knows you're lying about my RNG now, you DID know about it, you've played with it, youv'e argued about it. You can't wiggle out of this one buddy. Show me where I faked lack of knowledge about you RNGing. I also still don't see any post ID and you haven't shown me where it is. | ||
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On June 04 2017 05:53 Grackaroni wrote: Also BH you know you can't random lynch in newbie games. Plus you never told me how you generated the number. I think the post id disappeared from the old method you used to use. Stop I can't breathe. The web is too strong. | ||
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I think it was pretty clear from my filter that I never pretended that I had never seen BH random lynch before. I quoted something earlier that showed this. | ||
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On June 04 2017 09:58 Holyflare wrote: I want to highlight how disingenuous this second post is by the way. The first post Tumblewood references that Grack is town because he always post gems of analysis when he is town, which Grack has done none of. The second post states that TW has small glimmers of mindmeld with Grack. None of this was referenced at all previously in his reason to town read Grack. It was only when he got called out. Please point to where you mindmeld with Grack, TW. Be quiet HF. He's just trying to sneak in a town read read on me early so that if he gets lynched off I can get a free pass for being spewed like last game. | ||
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On June 04 2017 21:09 Holyflare wrote: How on earth is my LS argument scummy/bad when: B) it's something I think makes him look bad. A) I'm not even calling him mafia for it. By switching the ordering of the bullet points. HF/LS+1. Got ya scummo. | ||
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On June 03 2017 23:21 beentheredonethat wrote: Tumblewood missing Tubesock's joke in disformation fashion, full frontal. I rate that as a towny thing. The joke itself is kinda NAI, too, but then again, why would scum start to push ahead a game when they can just rely on a lackluster game start with the EU people still asleep? I feel like Tubesock is town here, too. This post feels super weird. First of all, you're here as a newbie, you're not supposed to judge if something's "cool" or not, right? The content of your post is supercorrect yet super obvious, so you do not add any value at all to the discussion. I do agree with this post. Except I wouldn't put Grack on the scum pile yet because in Generic II, he played like this all game and was town. That's all fine and dandy but if you've been here for about an hour, why aren't you posting? In the second line he tags one of the most generic posts possible as "super weird" I also didn't like that he goes out of his way to quote Vivax to say that he agrees with something that he had just said at the top of his post. Nagging someone to contribute at the end adds to the perception that he's trying to fluff up contributions. Plus I generally find pestering people to post annoying. Also he called me a baddie. It actually wasn't as bad of a post as I thought though because his whole schtick in the next post is that PB is making fluff posts, which is a fair argument. That may be what he meant by super weird in the second line. | ||
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On June 04 2017 22:31 Fidei86 wrote: But isn't there a pretty good argument that it was weird that PB took BH's RNG nonsense so seriously? It jarred with me too. It's pretty thin gruel for a scum read. And the rest of your case is pretty garbage - where do you actually come out on your read? No because that's a bad argument and those don't make good arguments. I don't see how writing a couple of lines about RNG is taking BH too seriously. | ||
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I don't think he's as scummy as earlier but still a decent lynch. | ||
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On June 04 2017 23:17 beentheredonethat wrote: What does "prods the new player" mean? As you might've realized, I'm not a native speaker. He's talking about you asking conversion to post. | ||
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On June 04 2017 23:38 Holyflare wrote: I play 100% of the time on my phone nowadays. It's not that difficult to do, especially with autocorrect and swiftkey remembering my most used words. If he types b/c a lot then that would be easy to do. Regardless you're trying to make an absolutely ridiculous point that he's lying about being on a phone but to what end does he need to do that? That's why they pay you the big bucks. | ||
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On June 05 2017 05:30 Holyflare wrote: Assassination Mafia - 0 RNG lynch proposed, only starts any semblance of analysis at day 2 of game. Noir Mini mafia - 0 RNG lynches proposed. Here's the relevant ones that I mention when I say sometimes he just does nothing and that makes him a complete coin flip: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?user=Blazinghand Blazinghand, shot night 2 - pushes joke posts in favour of his RNGd lynch - town http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/496215-mini-mafia-the-kinda-vanilla-experience?user=Blazinghand Blazinghand - [M][N] Mini Mafia: The kinda Vanilla Experience Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 6 - RNG into analysis with a 20 page filter it's not as cut and dry as you make it out to be at all and none of your links contained his RNG [M][N] Mini Mafia: The kinda Vanilla Experience Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 6 - 20 page filter of content [T] Aperture Mafia 4: This Time it's Personal Mafia Inspector G. Lestrade Survived Night 4 - 13 page filter of content the point you raise that BH isn't posting content and is therefore mafia is bull shit because the last 2 games he has been mafia he has in fact been posting content non-stop If you look more closely most of the content BH posted in those games was just joking around to push through his RNG lynches on Rayn/Obviousone. I think it's pretty clear that if he tried that in this game it wouldn't have been well received by this player list. | ||
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On June 05 2017 05:39 Holyflare wrote: yes he did that as town like pushing the thing on you this game no? No the last two games that Vivax linked he actually analyzes instead of RNGing. In the last two scum ones he pushes for the RNG lynch instead of analyzing. | ||
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On June 05 2017 05:53 Holyflare wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461330-noir-mini-mafia-chapter-2?user=Blazinghand&view=all page 1 and the first bit of day 2 are day 1 of that game and he was so up for lynch he was forced to claim blue day 1 checkmate Ok this link checks out. | ||
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On June 05 2017 05:56 ritoky wrote: grack who is mafia? Not sure. I don't see any major slips anywhere. | ||
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On June 05 2017 06:14 ritoky wrote: TAKE A GUESS it's like pulling damn teeth this game I did guess. The BLAZINGHAND. | ||
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On June 05 2017 06:18 Holyflare wrote: plzzz I'm almost forced to town read ritoky for being the only one seeing sense in this game and I don't want to do that You're pushing Vivax for going against your reads which you don't even care about anymore because Vivax is scummier for opposing you? | ||
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On June 05 2017 06:20 Holyflare wrote: I don't care about my other reads? What? Did you even read the last page? It seems like a fair assessment to me. Aren't you lynching Vivax for trying to subvert the lynch from your scum reads on to Blazinghand? | ||
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On June 05 2017 07:06 Blazinghand wrote: You lied and are pretty likely to be scum. People even admit you're lying but don't think it makes you scum. Very frustrating. Sigh Why aren't you trying to convince people to lynch me then? It shouldn't be that hard to find a better reason to get people to lynch me that doesn't make them giggle. Especially for one as talented as BLAZINGHAND. | ||
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On June 05 2017 07:29 Blazinghand wrote: I have a big reputation but I doubt I'm an above average player these days Anyways I'm just feeling low key I guess. Didn't expect to be in so soon I'm just messing with you because of your ego. | ||
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On June 05 2017 07:35 Tumblewood wrote: you know, if we wanted we could lynch onegu for not doing shit I'm down with this idea. | ||
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On June 05 2017 07:56 Holyflare wrote: i'll lynch bh lol | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:30 Holyflare wrote: where is LS solving the game? I'm not an LS expert but doesn't he usually make more noncommittal posts as town? I remember reading one of his scum games where he couldn't help himself from pointing out all of the townies. "X is town. Y is town. Z is town. #IAmTheMetaKing." | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:53 Grackaroni wrote: I'm going to consolidate to Prison Break. Err I mean the guy TW switched to. Heh. | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:55 Blazinghand wrote: ARE WE SHENANNIING ONTO FIDEI? I DON'T WANT TO DIE AND I DON'T WANT THE BLUE TO DIE SO PLEASE ASNWER We really should have killed BH. This isn't town BH. | ||
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On June 05 2017 10:33 Prison Break wrote: The vote switches happened last min or so, when I was trying to post my post which got flood control'd Anyway I like Onegu, Tubesock, Tumblewood (claim ofc) for town. Not sure if I like vivax going from tumblewood to me etc. Grack switching from me to Fidei is weird. Grack, can you explain to me why you did this? Especially since we kind of wanted each other dead. Was it a "one of them is scum", or, is there anything reason for this? Grack: "HF might be scum for still thinking Fidei is scum. It's hard to be that self-righteous as scum. I think I gave him/her an asthma attack." Grack to HF: "You're pushing Vivax for going against your reads which you don't even care about anymore because Vivax is scummier for opposing you?" I'm really not sure what to make of this or what to think of you. Like are you just tunneled on HF or do you still think he's scum? That said you did say "I'm not looking to switch to HF he seems fine to me minus the pretty useless shit fight between you two earlier. His case on TW had good points even though he overlooked other things about Tumblewood." . Do you think I could still be scum or does Fidei flip change that? I also want to know the reason you switched to me. Was it a post I made, or the fact I wasn't online? I'd say I wasn't online all the time last game either, but i was mafia there, so is that a reason you scumread me based on "meta"? I did like that you called beentheredonethat out, do you think he is scum right now? I didn't want you dead. I needed to switch to someone and you/Fidei were just in the group of people I was ok with lynching. The way Fidei grilled me made me think he was town at the time but that read wasn't as strong as some other ones. I said the Vivax thing to HF because he was bitching about being the only one that makes any sense in the game. I haven't looked into it but I don't think Fidei's flip will change much for you. I probably wouldn't have lynched him due to his outburst, but I think it would be worthwhile to read through a few of his games and see if he uses a lot of emotion as scum. | ||
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On June 06 2017 04:04 ritoky wrote: i still like this too. maybe i should read gracks filter This is a framing! | ||
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Every single mention of Fidei in your filter. On June 04 2017 04:00 ritoky wrote: fidei what are your reads on LS and HF? On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote: i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that. reading LS mafia, what else is new for me. btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia. tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile. grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward. BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia. onegu...flip a coin. On June 05 2017 08:58 ritoky wrote: people are voting fidei cuz? And then you come back when people are pushing me and act like me not having a read on Fidei is a good point when you said nothing about him all game. | ||
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On June 06 2017 04:39 ritoky wrote: I mean the difference between me and you is that I basically had no read on fid, and if you want the real reason for that it is because fid posted shit about london in the community thread so i kinda felt like i should just give the benefit of the doubt that there's shit going on there. while you had a read strong enough to potentially call hf mafia for not having the same read, then proclaimed that it wasn't strong and you were content voting on fid. That's not my point. You were opportunistically calling me out for leaving him off my list when you didn't talk about him at all. The twisted narrative from your second post about me makes me think this is less likely hypocrisy and more likely scum motivated. I would have been willing to vote for Conversion or Prison Break who I both called town earlier in the day. A large part of the reason that Fidei got voted is that he disappeared for a long time and that has a big influence since my reads change relatively frequently. I had a lot of chances to shenanny to somebody else at the end of the day. I defended TW. I defended HF. I defended LS. If I wanted to save Fidei I could have given a defense of him and came out looking fine but I didn't want to lynch Tumblewood. | ||
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On June 06 2017 04:42 Holyflare wrote: I mean let's get down to the crux of it. I was right on Fidei and Grack was bad. Also you look bad for pushing TW and Fidei and then dropping that push after TW fell through. But I don't care about you right now because I have to yell at Ritoky. | ||
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On June 04 2017 08:48 Prison Break wrote: Voted beentheredonethat Didn't like his initial "response" to me + his follow-up. "shame on everyone who scumreads me D1. Everyone should know by now that I'm simply bad at this game." Excuse to not take responsibility for bad plays so people aren't allowed to scumread him based on "bad play" also a lot of other excuses for no play "I'll check this thread every now and then for the next 4-8 hours but don't expect too much" "no I haven't read the last 3-4 pages in a serious manner yes I'm going to bed now no I'm not scum" this is lazy play at best, but I could see it being scummy play as well. making a few pushes, laying low, mentioning it multiple times which could be overcompensating (afraid people will look into it? we're in the beginning stages of the game so I doubt this many excuses are needed) saying he's not scum obviously isn't a solid defense either also to clarify my stance on Fidei86, I think what he did could be scummy, and "moving the game forward" was a possible counterargument. But I'm not saying he's actually moving the game forward, it was something I was considering at the moment and wanted to give more time. Fidei86 instantly gave beentheredonethat towncreds (while multiple people were suspicious of it), which stands out, as well as beentheredonethat "attacking me" after I "attack" Fidei86. Possible scumteam? My 2nd choice to vote right now would be Fidei86. I think both Fidei86 and beentheredonethat are good vote choices right now. | ||
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On June 06 2017 04:58 Holyflare wrote: PB is the guy that bussed me 24/7 last game and won it for us so I have no idea why you think his meek push makes him town when you were in that game That was a bad bus though. This sounds incredibly stupid for me to say now but imagine that I am town when I say this. Those are the two reads that I think I should have had at that point on day 1 and I'm realizing that the reason that I shifted more towards Btdt than Fidei was because of what Ritoky had said. Obviously I can't prove this because I didn't put him in my scum list and all I said was that he was overly town read but those were the "smart reads" for that point in time and PB had them. | ||
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On June 06 2017 05:00 ritoky wrote: I don't think I did this. What I said was: 1) your read on fid was strong enough that you accused hf of potentially being mafia just for not sharing the same read as you -> then later you claimed to not have a strong read on fid at all. so then why is hf potential mafia for not sharing a weak read of yours? 2) you wanted to lynch onegu minutes before sheeping his read. 3) you wanted to lynch onegu, then pb, then and only after those didn't materialize and there was an obvious tide flocking to fid did you move to fid. to me that indicates that you wanted the shennanie to land on other people first. And regarding "I change my reads frequently" that's really not a good thing sometimes, what have you done for me recently is kinda a crappy heuristic. Sometimes people just do shit that makes them town or mafia forever. No that's exactly what you did now you're just moving the goal posts: On June 06 2017 04:04 ritoky wrote: i still like this too. maybe i should read gracks filter That HF accusation for still thinking Fidei was mafia couldn't have been all that strong seeing as I defended HF at the end of the day. I didn't say it in the post (and I certainly would have if I were mafia) but another part of that post was that I also thought TW was town and just had the sense that HF may be mafia for pushing the wrong people. My vote on Fidei had nothing to do with Onegu. I voted him because Tumblewood voted him. | ||
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On June 06 2017 05:07 ritoky wrote: ? so i made a good case on btdt that convinced you to consider him, before he made the emotional play, thus i am mafia? i am town therefore i am mafia? can we lynch inside the vote tomorrow? i know we shouldn't but can we please? No you're mafia for the twisted narrative you're trying to place on me. | ||
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On June 06 2017 06:41 Blazinghand wrote: ??? what's my "fault"? We lynched scum D1, everything went great, I don't know why you'd seem displeased with the D1 outcome... ...unless... Me being wrong is your fault | ||
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On June 06 2017 09:13 Holyflare wrote: Also grack I'm sorry you rolled mafia this game buddy. Thanks for telling me there's no rber though. Maybe Onegu got vigged and I failed with the RBer and you're already confirmed. I think that must be it. | ||
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On June 06 2017 09:52 Holyflare wrote: Nah this is boring. I rescind. The fact tw didn't die annoys me and probably means it's bh or vivax. SLIP | ||
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First he came for the Tumblewood and I didn't care because I'm not the Tumblewood. Then he came for the Lightningstrike and I didn't care because I'm not the Lightningstrike. But then he came for me. This time it's personal. | ||
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On June 06 2017 12:10 Prison Break wrote: So you're here for self-preservation only? Or am I reading this wrong. Yes. | ||
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You're the one spewing shit like this: On June 06 2017 06:22 ritoky wrote: grack thought i was mafia for calling him mafia, then went into my filter with that conclusion looking for reasons to justify it. not town mindset or progression. | ||
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It would be one thing if you had talked at length about Fidei being scummy and found it interesting that I didn't include him in my reads list. It's another thing to completely ignore him and then piggy back on what Onegu said about me not talking about him. I also didn't include TW and Tubesock who most people gave a read on. | ||
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Now that I do it does seem interesting to me. | ||
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On June 06 2017 13:14 ritoky wrote: like i said your narrative for me being mafia is "he called me mafia! oh and he quoted this post onegu made 2 days ago that i didn't care about, but now i do; cuz he plotted to lump me in with fidei in the off chance onegu became confirmed town and fidei died! also he made a really convincing case on btdt that i agreed with, makes him mafia too." town find evidence and draw conclusions from it. you make conclusions and try to find evidence and warp a narrative to fit your constructed worldview, that's just basic mafia mindset. You're mafia at best. Hypocritical at worst. | ||
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Do you believe that makes you scummy? | ||
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It's one thing for Onegu to comment on me not giving a read on Fidei because he really wanted to kill the F-dude. It's another thing for you to back that up when you didn't care about him. I would expect you as town to realize that you haven't cared about him all game before you write a post like that. | ||
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On June 06 2017 13:23 ritoky wrote: why the hell would i care about my image as town? It has nothing to do with image. You shouldn't find me ignoring him interesting on day 1 if you don't find Fidei interesting. | ||
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He'll deny it of course but maybe wait until later in the cycle to decide. | ||
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On June 06 2017 13:31 ritoky wrote: why do i even try? it's not like i am going to convince the guy that he is mafia even if he is. just moving on from this after this post, i reached my conclusion and unless there's something drastic i don't think it will change. "i would expect you as town to realize that you..." is all about image. it says "if you're town you would have considered previous stances before posting" which is literally the opposite of how you play town where you spew your frontal lobe into the thread without a second thought. you're saying i am mafia for being town again. it's w/e over it. No it has absolutely nothing to do with image. If you don't make any posts about fidei I can infer that you didn't have very strong feelings about Fidei. That makes you calling me out for not giving an opinion on a player that you didn't have strong feelings about but who just happened to turn out to be scum pretty questionable, especially before his flip. That post triggered my radar, and then your follow up was a completely slanted narrative rather than someone interested in trying to find out my alignment. That makes me want to lynch you. | ||
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On June 06 2017 13:32 Prison Break wrote: yea so based on my reads I'm not buying this claim but I want to hear from HF + see if someone CC's (unless if grack is right on him being VT, I really suck at judging these sandbag things you guys do here rofl, where I usually play lie=die) Hey I was right on the Holyflare claim! | ||
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On June 06 2017 13:36 Grackaroni wrote: No it has absolutely nothing to do with image. If you don't make any posts about fidei I can infer that you didn't have very strong feelings about Fidei. That makes you calling me out for not giving an opinion on a player that you didn't have strong feelings about but who just happened to turn out to be scum pretty questionable, especially before his flip. That post triggered my radar, and then your follow up was a completely slanted narrative rather than someone interested in trying to find out my alignment. That makes me want to lynch you. What I'm implying by this is TMI. He doesn't care about Fidei but he knows it will look suspicious because he knows Fidei is mafia. | ||
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On June 06 2017 13:14 ritoky wrote: like i said your narrative for me being mafia is "he called me mafia! oh and he quoted this post onegu made 2 days ago that i didn't care about, but now i do; cuz he plotted to lump me in with fidei in the off chance onegu became confirmed town and fidei died! also he made a really convincing case on btdt that i agreed with, makes him mafia too." town find evidence and draw conclusions from it. you make conclusions and try to find evidence and warp a narrative to fit your constructed worldview, that's just basic mafia mindset. Can we kill this guy? | ||
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On June 06 2017 16:13 Blazinghand wrote: Basically, right now it is highly probable that at least one of Vivax/HF is scum. We should focus on this first. It's not though. Vivax got in a shit fight with HF during the day, He was pissed off during the night and threatened to afk. He comes back pissed off today with a red check on HF and then proceeded to afk. This is shit fight 101. See Grackaroni mid-day today. | ||
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On June 06 2017 16:19 Tubesock wrote: I like Ritoky's filter better. Your argument with him just isn't convincing to me. Basically, he's scum because he only talked about him once (and scummed him) but called you out because you should have said something about Fidei? I towned you earlier because of your shitfight with BH and you scummed btdt. But then later only had 1 guess and that was BH. I also don't like how it's fairly difficult to keep track of your reads. I'm having a hard time believing the whole emotional btdt is town bit. And think he's more likely mafia than you. or anyone else outside the Cop stuff. Ritoky doing that isn't TMI but me not voting Tumblewood like a non-baddie is TMI somehow. | ||
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On June 06 2017 16:33 Holyflare wrote: No i can't be bothered. I just think it's total shit ruining a good game if he's town and he needs to die. No false modesty now. You really need to emphasize how capable you are of fucking them over. | ||
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On June 06 2017 16:31 Tubesock wrote: Now you're confusing me. I thought this was about Fidei? I'm referencing something Riotky said in his post. Look, he saw a post pressuring me from PB and a question from HF and then he pounces with the most one-sided narrative ever. He pushed two likely townies before that and I know I'm town, and to boot the pretense he uses to jump into it is highly questionable. | ||
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On June 07 2017 04:58 Blazinghand wrote: Basically I loathe setup speculation, but I have a particularly huge loathing for incorrect setup speculation. So pointing out that it's incorrect then having someone also point out incorrect setup names bothers me too. Anyways Grack don't worry we'll get to you after we got Vivax brodooski That leaves me another 36 hours worth of shit posting. | ||
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Vivax was pretty annoyed even before we consolidated on Fidei. On June 05 2017 07:49 Vivax wrote: Yes what has TL come to that active engaged players want to lynch others for doing nothing. Or is the issue that there are players doing nothing? On June 05 2017 07:51 Vivax wrote: Sadly he's most likely town and isn't gifted with being able to read btdts emotional progression during D1. On June 05 2017 08:33 Vivax wrote: Thanks for your valuable input in the 20 minutes you've spent playing this game after puking out a post of shallow reads to keep up the appearance that you're actually here to play mafia. I'm sure your opinion is very informed and valuable. And this guy. On June 05 2017 08:40 Vivax wrote: Chance to lynch BH, two guys avoid him for shit reasons and go to HF and another goes for PB instead. Basically townies splitting all over my scumreads while tubesock is blatantly throwing his votes into the worst places possible. Kill me please. On June 05 2017 08:45 Vivax wrote: Well you wanted to start with being a dick. And it's a 100% serious answer. I think you're town and I think you are super wrong and I'm pretty sure everyone else thinks that too so there's your answer. I didn't coat it in sugar cause you don't coat things in sugar either, and if I coated it in sugar you'd just eat it anyway before reading it. On June 05 2017 08:52 Vivax wrote: Calling my posts shit for no reason and suggesting that you should do the opposite of what my reads say. Meanwhile never stating a single reason for me being mafia so just assuming you are here to lynch people at your own leisure and not to win the game. So he's mad beforehand that people aren't killing BH for doing nothing, and then he finds out that his read on Fidei was bad and now people are scum reading him. He thinks that he was one of the only ones who put good reasoning and effort into his pushes this game and that other people just got rewarded for playing stupidly. People that think this would be a good strategic play to try to trade 1 for 1 with HF are completely off the mark. Vivax was in a worse spot than he was yesterday but he was very far from the definite lynch today. I think he is legitimately angry and most of the time the angry player is just a butt-hurt townie. (I also don't think he's mafia just because he has had a pretty similar thought process to me throughout the game and has backed up a lot of my reads.) | ||
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On June 07 2017 06:19 Holyflare wrote: I mean grack and btdt are making vivax town cases sooooooooooooooooooo lynch 'em boys lol ok. Don't come running back to me after I get proven right again with some Grack TMI bullshit over something this blatant. | ||
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On June 07 2017 06:25 ritoky wrote: voted on vivax i don't understand how grack got to vivax vt, but i guess that's to be expected. Is that so? It seemed like you were half the way there. | ||
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On June 07 2017 06:34 ritoky wrote: well you got there yesterday pretty instantly too...so... you think vivax is a pissed off townie who was trying hard all phase to get one of his lynches, then a bunch of afks showed up and just rando lynched disregarding all his work right? and then he is just throwing a tantrum trying to force a lynch onto his scum read by fake claiming a check and fucking off? where is the upside in that play as VT? I've seen a lot of tantrums. But that isn't my point. Why are you trying to make me look scummy for arguing Vivax is VT when you were clearly just considering that possibility. | ||
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On June 07 2017 06:38 ritoky wrote: Sorry I forgot I can't talk to you without you randomly trying to turn everything into an argument. My bad. Seriously? This wasn't me being antagonistic. What would you think if I said "I don't understand how Ritoky got to X scum, but I guess that's to be expected." That's antagonistic imo. I have a genuine question and would like a genuine answer. Clearly you were considering Vivax VT in your earlier post. Either now you're trying to make me look scummy for making that argument and backtracking, or you're just being snarky and then complaining that I questioned you for it. | ||
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If you really just wanted me to elaborate more on my read then you should have done so rather than making what looks like a dig against me. On June 07 2017 06:25 ritoky wrote: voted on vivax i don't understand how grack got to vivax vt, but i guess that's to be expected. And you don't have to respond to this I'm walking off. | ||
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On June 07 2017 06:22 Grackaroni wrote: lol ok. Don't come running back to me after I get proven right again with some Grack TMI bullshit over something this blatant. For posterity. Unless he's scum. Then I'll just bury this and blame it on Blazinghand. | ||
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On June 07 2017 15:56 Blazinghand wrote: If he's scum I'm gonna trumpet RNG for eva You're going to do that anyway. | ||
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On June 07 2017 15:57 Blazinghand wrote: Ok but i'm gonna be a LOT more annoying about it if Vivax is actually scum; you gotta admit this at least Lol remember we lost a game once because we didn't follow an RNG on Disfo. | ||
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You probably weren't in the game actually. Let me find it. | ||
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On June 07 2017 16:12 Blazinghand wrote: Yeah ok grack just checking through my RNG records i'm reasonably certain you're wrong. Maybe someone else using the same modulo on post count like what I do to get Vivax this game got it? Here's what I have written down, though maybe I missed one. Blazinghand's RNGs In thug lyfe (2013): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/429897-thug-life-mini-mafia Koshi and I semi jointly RNGed WaveofShadow in the first use of modulo on post count as far as I know TL Mafia LXIII (2013): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/434275-tl-mafia-lxiii-time-to-die?page=61#1202 I RNGed vayneauthority Golden Sun The Lost Age Mafia (2014): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=16#306 I RNGed OdinofPergo Noir Mini (2014): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461330-noir-mini-mafia-chapter-2?page=5#87 I RNGed iamrobik Fantasy Football (2014): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=10#197 I RNGed ObviousOne Hearthstone (2014): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=29#578 I RNGed GlowingBear VII Titanic Mini (2015): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?page=14#265 I RNGed vayneauthority, hilariously this guy has been hit twice by RNG Kinda Vanilla Mini (2015): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/496215-mini-mafia-the-kinda-vanilla-experience?page=10#199 I RNGed raynpelikoneet The RNG was Kushm4sta on scum Disfo. I thought there was an emotional post about being the lynch leader due to RNG but I can't find it yet. The game also exonerated me for your slip because I was also clueless on how the RNG worked in that game lol. | ||
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On June 07 2017 16:45 Holyflare wrote: I did what at lylo as town?? I think it's about the phase 2 fake claim where I killed you. | ||
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On June 07 2017 16:50 Holyflare wrote: I even accounted for that in this game really. See you guys are so bad at being blue. Why don't you guys just act really defiant during day 1 and then become the day 1 lynch leader and then panic claim and get counterclaimed and get lynched like I do. Total scrubs. | ||
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On June 07 2017 16:57 Vivax wrote: Btw Grack you owe me for pestering me in resistance while trying to kick sharkie out of teams so don't be a bitch and help a brotha out here. I want to help you but most of these players aren't used to our shitty plays and they are going to want to punish you for this. I also don't think either HF or BH are good lynches. Off the top of my head I like Ritoky/Conversion lynches. Also Tubesock is a definite possibility. | ||
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On June 07 2017 17:15 Vivax wrote: So in your opinion, TS is the dumbest mafia on earth. OK bh On June 04 2017 09:31 Blazinghand wrote: Grackaroni lies as easily as he breathes! He is scum and just trying to distract from the fact that he is scum. He must be lynched. | ||
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I'm inclined to believe that scum would want to lynch afk Vivax rather than go against sentiment to try to kill active HF. | ||
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On June 07 2017 17:37 Blazinghand wrote: TBH Holyflare I'm suspicious of you even if Vivax is Mafia LOL. But this is because I have respect for your play; I think as scum you can come off as amiable and generally right about things, and you're capable of big plays. So if we lynch Vivax today and he flips scum I still have my eye on you; same holds true if he flips VT. That's kind of hard because there's a lot of little different factors that add up to make Vivax mafia improbable to me and a lot of them are feels. For one, usually the people who are openly pissed off and complaining about mafia getting bandwagoned are town. The follow up with Vivax not getting his lynch yesterday and claiming cop with a red check on HF and pissing off was like the most predictable angry townie reaction ever for me. I even made a joke about how I would do it to Ritoky earlier. We've been in synch for most of the early game. His reads post was insightful for the people he's not tunneled on. On June 07 2017 17:07 Vivax wrote: Well what I noticed this game is that fidei had reads that were off with what most others were thinking initially, then later kind of caught up and in his big post he ended up having reads that looked less suspicious. But I wrote him off as town for having weird reads so there's that. It's possible TS is mafia for the same reason. He's kind of on a different wavelength than the rest and was kind of happy just suspecting me as mafia when I was being a dick so that seemed opportunistic but I like to think he's just wrong and tbh I don't even know this TS dude. With ritoky the only thing I could think of is that he was proven around but not posting anything at deadline. As mafia he'd also have started into D1 with more smugposting I think. HF is pretty much lock scum. With BH there's a chance he's just being selfish and trying to flood the game with his textual adventures for his own leisure instead of trying to win it The claim play is terrible for mafia, but If he really wanted to strategically make a trade then he would have overwhelmingly had the upper hand if he was able to lose the attitude and put a modicum of effort into sticking around because it's a bad trade to begin with. | ||
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On June 07 2017 17:33 Blazinghand wrote: OK I get that this play shouldn't be allowed to pay off. We do have a spare lynch or two, and there's nothing wrong with taking out Vivax first, except, what if my analysis is off and these kids are innocent. There are like, actual reasons to want to lynch the guy who's not claiming cop first in this scenario (HF) over the claimed cop. And if the cop unclaims, he's definitely not the cop basically. It's not like their reasons make literally zero sense. They're just highly suspicious if Vivax is town and so are you. Yeah Grack the issue is in the world in which Vivax is scum i'm not feeling so up and up on you, so i'll need the actual reasoning if you have it (other than gut feeling) EBWOP I meant to quote this post. | ||
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On June 07 2017 17:53 Holyflare wrote: Didn't say any of this when I was actually the cop in that game grack. Your claim was different. Vivax's has an emotional aspect to it. You fake claim constantly just for the hell of it. It's like an extra challenge for you. | ||
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On June 07 2017 18:15 Vivax wrote: What's your metric though you keep calling him town this game and it leaves me puzzled every time. I might be biased because I saw that in his last two scum games he actually had long filters and didn't get lynched but I have a pretty long experience of Blazinghand being crappy at mafia. I don't think he could be this open in a conversation as mafia. He has kind of an openness that he can't replicate. | ||
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On June 08 2017 05:10 Holyflare wrote: Yehhhh boi no towny wants to fake red check me a day after we lynch mafia. There's also the whole him still wanting to kill you thing. | ||
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On June 08 2017 06:33 Tubesock wrote: BH vs Grack was a shit fight. V vs HF wasn't. I'm not taking the blame for that shit fight. That was all Blazinghand acting stupidly and me responding. | ||
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On June 08 2017 06:39 Tubesock wrote: And that was one of he reasons I scummed BH. Now I enjoy his antics. | ||
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On June 08 2017 06:52 ritoky wrote: it bothers me fundamentally that ls is above me on this list. Right next to me too LOL. | ||
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Not more than my usual wariness of Holyflare. He's right that he can pretty much never be solidly town in a game again. | ||
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On June 08 2017 09:14 Blazinghand wrote: This was a joke post. this was a joke post. I was joking LIE. YOU'RE A LYING LIAR MC'LIARSON. | ||
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First Tumbleweed and then Vivax. Maybe we've got to start leaving things to the real pros like Grackaroni. | ||
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On June 08 2017 17:33 ritoky wrote: Damn I shoulda voted with this guy yesterday! Who'd he vote on? Some scrub probably. | ||
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On June 08 2017 17:43 ritoky wrote: Bro, I am just over halfway through my shift and I already got 2 stab wounds, a guy who thinks he has a pet squirrel, and a teen who thought holding a bottle rocket until it explodes was a great idea. No room in me for anger. Yeesh. | ||
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On June 08 2017 17:37 Holyflare wrote: Who do you think is gonna die instead of confirmed blue you? You know if your hunch is correct I think you could actually have some influence here. Tumblewood may be a mafia dog after all. | ||
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On June 09 2017 04:09 Holyflare wrote: How does knowing my alignment figure out the game more? You think I could do the best cc claim you've seen in a while as mafia? And no I'm nit talking about grack saying btdt afkd. There was someone who said he raged as mafia. Yes? I was talking about the Host's revenge game where he got mad and quit for a cycle because some arcane role interaction contradicted him and made him look like he was lying. I looked back at that game and he definitely wasn't as over the top angry about every suspicion he got. I think it was specific to a weird circumstance. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/516592-hosts-revenge-mafia?user=beentheredonethat&page=8 Between Page 8-9 and he disappears for 2 days on page 9. It doesn't seem nearly the same as this game. I'll also mention he got wagoned near the end of day 1 for being afk, so his response on page 1 might also interest you. | ||
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On June 09 2017 04:32 Blazinghand wrote: You need to wear kid gloves if you want anything out of BTDT. Just be very overly-friendly with him and if you say anything accusative wrap it up in several layers of abstraction. Otherwise the interaction won't work. That's my experience. What you're saying here is not going to do anything but increase the rage. LET ME FETCH YOU YOUR GRAPES, MASTER | ||
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On June 09 2017 04:37 Blazinghand wrote: Not like that, just be very friendly to the guy. I'm sure he wouldn't appreciate weird over the top stuff like what you just wrote That was from what you said to Vivax after trying the other way first. | ||
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On June 09 2017 04:37 Holyflare wrote: Hey grack who's mafia? I don't understand why everyone is town reading Ritoky. I need to make a conclusion between Tubesock/LS/Conversion. Everyone else I feel ok with. Even you but I won't say that of course. | ||
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On June 09 2017 04:41 Holyflare wrote: Tube is definitely town Because of the second vote or other reasons? | ||
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On June 09 2017 06:34 ritoky wrote: grack snap defended vivax not just as town, but as VT for no real reason. he reaches conclusions, then goes and finds justifications. he claims to have read my filter, but demonstrates he hasn't, he wanted the shennanie to land on PB not fid...and also his PB boner disappeared cuz? i shut up about it yesterday because it is irrelevant, but shit hasn't changed he is still mafia. Could you be a dear and show me where I haven't read your filter? I also have no clue what my PB boner is but I'd love to hear about it. | ||
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On June 09 2017 06:48 Holyflare wrote: grack 5 small bullet points why ritoky is mafia ritoky the same I've pointed out two times things in his argument that I find scummy. First the TMI "interesting how Grackaroni doesn't mention Fidei" comment when he didn't find Fidei interesting. Then the "Funny how Grackaroni somehow knows Vivax is VT!" comment when he was just arguing that Vivax was either VT or mafia but not cop. These things are both things that he wants to portray as suspicious from what he knows even though they don't align at all with what he indicates his is finding suspicious in his filter in real time. | ||
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On June 09 2017 06:56 Holyflare wrote: that's not 5 points tho I don't care about quantity. You push things from just 1 point all the time and I'm allowed to do the same. | ||
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On June 09 2017 06:57 Holyflare wrote: but that's not what I asked u scum? I don't give a shit what you asked. Those are my reasons for killing Ritoky and I like them. | ||
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On June 09 2017 07:07 Holyflare wrote: yes but I'm just going to flat out tell you that your posts and case on him and everything that led you to having a fight with ritoky was absolutely bad all ritoky said was that he liked an onegu point against you and that caused him to read your filter and pick out some posts and then you went full retard and cased him, made an entire narrative and then tried to bury him a whole day based on HIS fidei posts when he wasn't even particularly building any case around your reads on fidei (the thing that made him check you) so no, you are the one guilty of this narrative crap you keep throwing ? On June 06 2017 17:25 Holyflare wrote: I don't think grack's push is that great and I don't think ritoky's is either On June 06 2017 18:29 Holyflare wrote: Actually grack's push has merit. It's not totally awful. But I think it's misguided for now. We're lynching vivax. | ||
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This right here is townie instinct. I didn't blow up on PB when he questioned the exact same things that Ritoky pushed me for, but that quote triggered my instincts for sure. | ||
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On June 09 2017 07:21 Holyflare wrote: Let me get this whole turn of events correct, tell me if I'm wrong: 1. Fidei flips 2. Ritoky quotes onegu post and reads grack filter Grack smells bullshit in post 3. Ritoky pulls out quotes that say grack looks scummy 4. grack pulls out lack of fidei posts for some reason to say ritoky is scummy 5. shit fight ensues | ||
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On June 09 2017 07:24 Holyflare wrote: yes but he made that post pulling out things that seemed contradictory and then YOU DID THE SAME THING with his lack of fidei quotes and called him scummy because of it???? BECAUSE HE MADE THE QUOTE. | ||
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The onegu quote. It was a scummy, unjustified transition into a scum read, and I thought it was bullshit then before he even said a word against me aside from that. | ||
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I understand Onegu finding it interesting that I hadn't mentioned Fidei because he was tunneled on Fidei. It's totally different for someone who didn't pay any attention to Fidei or say anything about Fidei to try to use Onegu to preface an attack on me. If I had known that Fidei was scum on day 1 and that Ritoky had said that I would have called him on it. | ||
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I thought Fidei was town earlier in the day because he was pestering me for reads in a way that I thought would be coming from a townie. That impression wore off over time and I can agree with that being scummy. I clearly was sheeping Tumblewood from like Onegu to PB to Fidei and for some reason he interprets that as me having a boner for PB. Maybe a misunderstanding. Maybe purposely misconstrued. Then there are other things that are fluffed up nonsense that I think he says because he thinks they sound good rather than because he thinks they are good. Making snap conclusions and then justifications to suit my narrative is one of them, since what mafia plays like that? | ||
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So what's the deal if she doesn't get a majority people will call for her to resign as head of the party? Why are your leaders are always calling for votes and then resigning? | ||
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On June 09 2017 11:25 Conversion wrote: wait but shouldn't there be a cop with a godfather? because what's the point of having a godfather (fidei) if there's no cop.. just a fancy title? No sometimes hosts put things like GF with no cop to prevent people from being able to make conclusions like that in role claims. They also may have just randomized the roles. | ||
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On June 09 2017 11:35 Conversion wrote: oh okay sorry I'm like not reading before I post. so the scenarios can be: TW is doctor HF is vigi, makes it a balanced set up because we don't have a mislynch. Fidei is godfather to mindgame town into trying to figure out if there's a cop or not. We have 3 claims. A doctor, vigi, and third role (most likely cop?). In which case we try to figure out who's fakeclaiming in this case (my suspicion goes to TW because like.. dude you're not doing anything and you probably fakeclaimed to save yourself and maybe try to out the real doctor as well) I mean I don't really want to give TW a pass but if no one else is claiming, he is the real doctor, right? Or is a one blue, RB/godfather setup likely as well? Sorry for the questions, and thanks for answering them grack/LS! Just making sure I understand this stuff before I make a push based on things happening before Yeah I agree with all of what you said. The standard is usually 2 blues for 13 player games. | ||
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On June 09 2017 11:43 ritoky wrote: At work on break so I can't type much or go retrieve my crumbs from my filter, but BTDT & grack Quick reasoning, my case on BTDT day 1 + he emo'd me and I didn't want to be fooled by it. Considered switching to grack or LS. Day 2 grack because obvious reasons. HAHA sucker!!!!! Now I have to kill Tumblewood though. | ||
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On June 10 2017 02:50 Holyflare wrote: I'm going to dig for that ritoky cop fake claim game though. I'm almost sure it exists. I started searching for it with you. On November 21 2015 10:38 ritoky wrote: that's not a joke either. i have worked in the ER for over a few yrs now and ppl seem to get things stuck in their ass most frequently on friday nights.....it is bizarre, the world has some weird tendencies. Happy friday Ritoky! | ||
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On June 10 2017 05:46 ritoky wrote: gracki chan, you've been quiet; and now that mechanics force me to respect your opinion, who do you think is the mafia outside the claims? LS & Tumblewood seems the most likely to me right now Both PB and Conversion appear to be earnestly trying to figure things out. Tubesock & Tumblewood doesn't make much sense as #2 and #3 in the Fidei vote. | ||
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I didn't gain all that much from the TW/HF arguments. I do think that HF has picked up his game in this one compared to the last one. I wouldn't be opposed to lynching into Lightningstrike/Tubesock if people get cold feet on lynching a blue claim, since mafia will probably kill off one of the claims narrowing our odds tomorrow. | ||
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Can you talk a little about that before you go? | ||
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But it's getting harder when most of what he's been doing recently has been asking cop/vig to check/shoot him. | ||
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On June 08 2017 17:27 Grackaroni wrote: I don't know Holyflare. First | ||
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HF dies. Ritoky dies. 5-1 so we have two lynches left to hit the final scum. | ||
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On June 11 2017 09:35 Holyflare wrote: Well one person outs as blue so that narrows down your pool a lot. lol Ritoky isn't stupid. | ||
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On June 12 2017 03:45 Conversion wrote: I'm going to pitch a question I'm trying to think of myself, LS, if you don't mind. anyone else here can answer as well: what do you think, if ritoky is Mafia, that the chances are with ritoky setting me up for a mislynch (and anyone else on his "auto list") with him reading me as town and BTDT pushing me as hard, albeit feebly, as he is this night and next day? like I'm actually seeing no effort from BTDT except him yelling at me saying I'm inactive and I'm not making contributions, while his filter is all just lots of shit thrown everywhere and hoping it sticks to a wall, so not sure how that's any sort of case built on me. the only thing that's bugging me is would ritoky actually include his own scummate in his auto list AND his cop check list? I think you're reading too far into Ritoky's list. Focus more on people's filters than who Ritoky included in his list because it's mostly WIFOM. Also I'm kind of curious why you find me so hard to read. | ||
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On June 12 2017 04:13 ritoky wrote: yo if u wanna leave me alive feel free, i'll gladly take the stats and hammer nerds if there's a split vote while posting nonsense, sounds like fun! I could also game the system by making a last second vote switch on to you for a free vote on scum point. | ||
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I would be a lot more surprised if he were to flip mafia than I was with PB in the last game. | ||
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On June 12 2017 05:15 Holyflare wrote: Conversion and pb are not mafia. Ls is probably not mafia. Tube is very unlikely. Btdt/you Btdt most likely So i shoot Yeah. Please let me make my reads without interjecting with your badness. I'm one of the least likely ones. If I'm not town read in this game then I don't know what game I will be town read in. | ||
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Being green checked also doesn't make him scum. | ||
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On June 08 2017 05:24 beentheredonethat wrote: The first person PB speaks about is Fidei. Within like 2 sentences, then goes on to rant a lot about how Tumbleweed is something? Only to never pick up his points on Fidei again, but of course pressuring me once he realized ritoky was after me. He doesn't care to really push me though he's just happy to have his vote on me and doesn't care about much else. he didn't he did nothing (besides a votecount, wtf) he didn't It's even in the OP. Three. You should know. You played in Generic II, and you are coached, and you could've asked your coach about this, and you could've read the OP. This is a super constructed dumbtell. You didn't try to kill him. In the final vote count, your vote is not on him. You also didn't push him. + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2017 09:02 kitaman27 wrote: Day One Final Vote Count Fidei86 (6): Onegu, Tumblewood (2): Prison Break (2): Conversion, beentheredonethat (1): Prison Break, Vivax (1): LightningStrike (1): Blazinghand (0): Grackaroni (0): Holyflare (0): Conversion (0): Fidei86 will be lynched. + Show Spoiler [Big wall of nothing] + On June 06 2017 09:15 Prison Break wrote: I'll be honest I'm not caught up so I haven't read any questions directed at me I filtered some people that were the primary lynch targets and gave my opinion on them No I haven't posted a list but I have given reads on at least half the players which is something I'm sorry for not engaging as much as I'd like to, it's more because of being busy / I find it hard to read through everything ( like I could read through it quickly, but I prefer to keep looking for connections and read things thoroughly so I tend to read back and filter people while reading, some people take that as me "coming up with the right conclusions based on nothing", but I can tell you if I were mafia I would've just dropped random reads and posts every now and then. But right now I want to actually only post when I'm caught up / when I have good reads because I'm not scum this game. ) I think a lot of people are biased because of last game, and when you realize Tumblewood would've been the lynch prior to claiming, HF has a lot of suspicion, and people want me dead or are suspiciouos of me, I'd say that is the exact scumteam of last people and people should look if we're actually scum again or that it's just a bias. Like I said my scumread on beentheredonethat is strong, if he has done anything in the last pages that I haven't read yet then I may reconsider, but, he did a lot of really scummy stuff early on which I pointed out so something really crazy would have had to happen for me to change my mind on him. I think it's also scummy that people are saying that I can be scum while completely ignoring the Fidei86 flip. Yes I "bussed" HF last game but read the quicktopic and you'll see that: - I asked peoples stances on bussing/hard defending, and HF clearly said he is cool with either - Later on, he said "keep the pressure, I like the pressure, I'm not getting lynch" etc. - He would get alive=scummed eventually anyway - I was the roleblocker, he was vanilla - Fidei was godfather - HF townread me that game while I scumread him, in this game, Fidei was suspicious of me and I responded by calling him out on his behavior. Doesn't that make sense? Fidei as scum pushing a lot of people for "lurking", me calling him out and pushing for his lynch, beentheredonethat attacking me for it and saying Fidei is town. Like how does this not make sense from a me being town and fidei + possibly beentheredonethat being scum? Explain that to me please. Also explain why I would be so hesistant to post: last game I would make shit up and recklessly vote during night phases, post random reads, sometimes without explanation, etc. Right now I'm clearly trying to actually put effort in the content of what I say....rather than the presentation of it. I'm sorry if i come off desinterested, I'm not, I just couldn't get myself to read through everything + I am busy I'll try to get as far as I can and will drop my thoughts, I did plan on dropping a list, but for now I think beentheredonethat is scum and vivax is someone I want to look into more. And I've given a lot of townreads that I still think are town as well but I'll filter them to confirm Self-explanatory. Claims to have filtered people he doesn't like (that's basically me) and admits to not have done anything and excuses. wow. amazing! Okay, so you have lots of town reads, fine, but why don't you then filter the others who should at least be scummy to you then, right? right? ????? "Based on me scumreading BTDT and townrteading a bunch of others, I am not buying this claim!" ?????????? On June 08 2017 05:26 ritoky wrote: that's a pretty decent case. | ||
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But can I ask, am I just in the territory where I'm always a potential mafia? I'm never going to have like the BH obvious thought process posts because a lot of the things people post about I don't find very telling. | ||
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On June 12 2017 05:59 Holyflare wrote: No you just haven't done that much. And you afkd to come back yesterday and say ritoky's crumbs didn't make sense but did nothing. So it's fishy. But not btdt fishy. I don't agree really. I sheep voted the first scum and then I told you why you shouldn't lynch Vivax and then I spent the rest of my time pushing Ritoky. I'm not sure what else I could have done other than saving Tumblewood. | ||
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On June 12 2017 07:23 Tubesock wrote: I'm not making the connection here. Why does Ritoky endorsing or not endorsing this case mean anything for btdt? I'm more used to seeing scum do that to a townie's case and usually see scum waiting for other reactions/being more critical of a teammate's case, especially since the case is primarily just yelling at PB for not giving reads. | ||
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On June 12 2017 23:48 LightningStrike wrote: Day One Final Vote Count Fidei86 (6): Onegu, Tumblewood (2): Prison Break (2): Conversion, beentheredonethat (1): Prison Break, Vivax (1): LightningStrike (1): Blazinghand (0): Grackaroni (0): Holyflare (0): Conversion (0): Fidei86 the Mafia Godfather has been lynched. So this vote count I pretty much right about scum had no control of the lynch seeing that ritoky only appeared EoD and James was afk. Tubesock is cleared I think for being the 2nd one on the wagon. I know I am town and I think Grack is town too therefore I think the wagon is pure on James. So that again leaves PB, Conversion, and BTDT which would seem to lead to BTDT more than PB and Conversion from what I looked at James filter and ritoky's filter. What in James' filter and Ritoky's filter lead you to BTDT? | ||
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I'm a little nervous about you tbh because I know that you're clever enough to change up your play style from the last game. | ||
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On June 14 2017 04:05 Prison Break wrote: Well isn't that the same way people were paranoid about HF, who also flipped town? I guess go ahead and check my filter 10x, you won't find a thing. I think there's not enough paranoia. HF, LS and even you have argued that you aren't scum because your game play is stylistically a lot different from generic II, but I have enough respect for your play to discount that. | ||
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He talks about the possibility of Onegu/BH bussing after Onegu flipped. He spends a long time believing BH voted Fidei because BH made a joke taking credit for the lynch. He forgets about HF's case on TW when he pushes HF. He pushes HF after Ritoky scum claims He pushes HF/Ritoky as a team when there clearly wasn't going to be another blue claim. Before I even look at HF's filter, I'm going to guess that the bulk of his case is based on these last three things, which I think is misguided since HF hasn't been under all that much real pressure of being lynched when they happened. + Show Spoiler + (lol ok right after I read BTDT's filter I took a look at the end of HF's filter and I was wrong) I'm going to focus on Ritoky's claim and see if there were inconsistencies that BTDT should have picked up on regarding how Ritoky read him pre-claim post-check. I'm not all that interested in the way BTDT responded to Ritoky's day 1 accusation because he had a calm response to something I wrote about his posts too right after his Ritoky response | ||
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BTDT seems like the best lynch, even though I don't think he's as lock scum as everyone else does. | ||
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Was that just for shits and giggles or do you think it was important for why he could be mafia? | ||
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On June 14 2017 11:44 LightningStrike wrote: Ritoky and James were really the only ones asking me stuff during my page 1-3 at the time so yes it just a coincidence lol. Actually now that I think about it Ritoky and Fidei both bugged me too for not posting reads. | ||
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To be honest I'm not all that enthused to spend a lot of time poring over filters when the person I spend a lot of time reading might not be here tomorrow, or I might not even be in the game anymore. | ||
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On June 20 2017 06:57 Holyflare wrote: wait what why is this over now??? LS concession kind of. There would have been too much modkill wifom to keep the game going. | ||
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