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Is what it is. This deadline is 8am for me. | ||
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I can cohost if no alternative arises. | ||
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i.e. only one person posts in the thread, but you can have a mason buddy (via quicktopic) that you communicate with. Hydra is hard to read, because you can have 2 completely different personalities. | ||
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On June 22 2018 03:50 Tictock wrote: Help me out.This game is lacking scrubs... /in Is this a dig at yourself; or a dig at scrubs? | ||
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/cohost Suggest you start the game whilst the iron is hot. | ||
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kk /in still suggest we start asap ================================== START OF FILTER HERE | | | | | V | ||
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On June 26 2018 08:14 Tictock wrote: On second thought, lets vote Regfan, purely for having an obscene prepared post, that I will prob never read. This i can wagon. Otherwise please vote me | ||
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On June 26 2018 08:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: easy and low stress is naturalHolyflare, would you use this wording as a native english speaker if you are town: The addition of low demand reads forced. | ||
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On June 26 2018 08:15 Calix wrote: It was clearly written before he received his role because if he was an investigative role, he (or she, since this is Gemma?) would know that Cops on this site don't get N0 checks. Thus it's not AI. I would like to know more about the two players in the hydra though. How many games have they played, where are they from, stuff like that. Ping.... | ||
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On June 26 2018 09:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually i am more interested in "this is" instead of "this would be", because this clearly isn't unless they are mafia. Ohh i see what you are thinking I treat as null with no knowledge of player It could be easy as you infer because they know the game syate i.e. mafia Could equally be town and think its easy as they can solve the game Perhaps 60% mafia tell and 40% town at worse | ||
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On June 26 2018 10:17 Holyflare wrote: im not against this eitherWe should be lynch ticktock though. | ||
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On June 26 2018 10:58 CopCake wrote: This question caught me off guard.Am I town or am I mafia rayn? If anything, I was anticipating CopCake to declare Rayn: town or mafia. Clearly, the "early game' scum reads struck a chord with CopCake enough to contribute his/her independent thought process of those reads (e.g. Tictock). At minimum, I was expecting that thought process to follow through to the initiator. Therefore, I find this exchange odd. Yes its a dead question - which obviously town can ask. But i find it odd, because its a dead question to someone that I thought woudl be on CopCake radar. | ||
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On June 26 2018 11:25 CopCake wrote: i dont understand how it leads to anything.Lol, the question is to make a better read on rayn. @Regfan that question is too early to ask since not everyone has posted but I would shot HF as mafia. I dont get his tt reasons. If rayn calls you town, as either alignment, you will walk away feeling good about yaself. If rayn calls yo mafia, as either alignment, you will walk away with a sense of OMGUS. Dead question. Having said that, I do share suspicion towards Holyflare. Not enough to lean scum, but enough to pay extra attention to new content. Whether you agreed or not, at least to me, superfically, the Tictock stuff is fine. On the otherhand, whilst the strikethrough is more likely to be mafia than town in origin, its not conclusive and I find to be overly hammed up by HF. My expectation for a town!HF is for him to do his own campaigning. If he does this, even if its against me. I shall call him town. We will have to wait and see. | ||
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On June 26 2018 11:35 Regfan wrote: Can you please share an example.My read on TT is without a lick of meta involved in it, if you've done some meta research that suggests he's town here, I think mentioning that is rather important -- I need to be able to follow /how/ you're getting to reads in this game here and the way it played out didn't really do that. What's your reads/thoughts on Mocsta at the moment? We both read a lot of his posts as him feeling somewhat detached from the actual game thread in a way I see mafia do more often than not, where he's there posting things that seem /somewhat okay/ but then looking at the body of content and going "huh". I'd imagine you've got some actual meta on him, is this something you'd say fits more his town/scum play and why? (Pretty much if you're town here dude I need to see it via your thought process/solving, please) -R Most of my posts are one-liners, so im curious what body of (non-existent) content you are referring to. I would actually prefer as well if "R" did one, and "G" did one. This is due to the above proclamation that you share opinions outside the thread; whereas, I find your opinions posted to be non-congruent beyond differences stemming from personality. | ||
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On June 26 2018 11:50 Regfan wrote: busywork made me chuckle@Conversion - What's your reads/thoughts on Non-Holyflare players? Cheers, most of this makes a lot of sense. Wouldn't mind you getting to the Moscsta question when you get a chance, we're reading his posts here as busywork to a degree and Gemma can't work out why the things he's commenting on are important to him or where he's really trying to go with it and working out if this is just a playstyle concern or not would be nice. -R If it helps Im at work on a shutdown task So bhsywork is apt You know. You can always ask me stuff 2 lol | ||
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On June 26 2018 12:03 Regfan wrote: interesting.Sure, Gemma will likely get around to doing it later too. I found your initial catch up posts...underwhelming for the most part, the response towards Rayn in #78 to be make sense and be something I agreed with but the agreement on TT scum read in #80 with nothing attatched to it as to why you agreed there and to move on from there to focusing on CopCakes question to Rayn in #122 feels like you're...sort of aimlessly posting if that makes any sense, like "I can talk about this for a bit", "I'll focus talking about this" and when I look at it the progression/entirety of it I'm left thinking "His reads are what and why???" and I'm trying to work out if this is a playstyle type thing or not and am hoping Rayns response will help with that. - R I think catch up is a poor phrase for a 2 page game. It also has needless negative connotation. More an fyi if you are non native. I didnt think what i wrote to copcake was talking for the sake of it. In fact copcake calls me town afterwards.... Whilst i appreciate you went tk the effort to pinpoiny some posts. Im am confused how to digest this. In essence i find this poor reasons to scum read someone. Its basically they dont agree witb me so must be scum. Im confused as i dont know if this stems from different game culture on teamliquid or mafia. The difference in play between you and gemma leans me mafia. Of mental note when my workfront clears i need to check your position on holyflare and vice versa | ||
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On June 26 2018 12:30 Regfan wrote: i find it startling that given all that has occured jn the thread. That i am of your primary concern.@Mocsta - Not a non-native at all, but think reading up/catching up on whatever has been missed (regardless of the length of it) is "catching up on the game". You're very much missing my concern with your play here, it's not that I take issue with your questioning of CopCake there, mentioned it twice now, when I look at the individual posts they seem mostly reasonable, it's just the progression/body of work so to speak where I'm stumped with you and left going "Huuhh" with. I can't follow what your reads are on the players here or why you're thinking what you are. I'm fully aware that others think about the game quite differently than I do, I'm also very aware that the meta on TL is hugely different to most of the places I've played at. That doesn't change the fact that when attempting to get a read on someone (No matter who/where it is) I need to be able to see "Oh they're doing A for B" or "They think C due to D/E", I don't need to agree with the reasoning of why you've got somewhere or have a particular read for it to be a real/genuine read from them, I do need to see that it exists. I don't even have a strong scum read on you here at all, I'm very much in a headspace where I'm just gathering data to try and work out/solve the game right now and having others comment on your playstyle (Plus I'm planning on reading through 1-2 of your town/scum games when I get a chance to be able to work it out myself) will help me massively when it comes to you. - R I suspect if you town we are at an impasse. Im not going to share all my thoights on this game. Only those i think thatvare relevant or those i am asked about and care to share. If you doubt my intention i would expect you to probe me on why i acted a certain way. Instead you arensoliciting other opinion. Frankly this comes across to me as suspect. Puppeteer behind the curtain type stuff. I dont think my past games will help much either. I entered this game with diffeerent jntebtions to others and so far think i am living up to them. If you must know and have not realiaed. I was suspicious of cupcake because he toom such an early strong stance. This is reflected in my posts.... | ||
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Yet gloss over hf. This startles me even more when the basis of their issues with me stems from my reaction to HF tictock comments. My recollection of regfan is lots of "process" nitpicking that leads nowhere ##vote: regfan | ||
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I have nothing further to add other than i am super impressed you could gauge me swapping between phone and computer I still find both of you keep adding flair words of negatitve connotatiin when describing processes. This is certainly more scummy then townie. Vote remains. Lunch time. Ciao | ||
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(1) I was perhaps a touch OMGUS towards Regfan. I dont think this is the best place for a vote so ##Unvote (2) i don't have a strong opinion on game state. If anything, the activity and content has been really good. - Things like HF read fine to me. - Rayn play so far, is highly reminiscent of the game just finished. If i had to call one player town, it would be Rayn. (3) Things I am uncertain of with low care factor - Conversion: purely a heuristic where after such a long self-ban. I thought he would be itching to do more than just throw some randoms hit around. - Tictock: because whilst I liked the later posts, it is still not reminding me of the last game I played with him where I vividly remember him as this guy that is all about "accuracy" and his "own logical model". In fairness, the environment of the game state is somewhat different, so im still battling whether this is alignment indicative or not. (4) Things I am uncertain of with moderate care factor (Calix + CopCake). - Calix: for the reasons already expressed in the thread. Which will be easy to prove/disprove once active. - CopCake: has some early exchanges that on a second read I took as pocketing. I need to think about this more, but is just giving me some vibes of things that I personally try to do when mafia. (5) I still think Regfan are focused heavily on things that I don't think are important to scum hunting; and definitely are giving a different weighting to things early game than myself. But this doesn't make them mafia. I am struggling with reading the hydra pairing somewhat as I find them DRASTICALLY different. Even if they were mafia, I would rather lynch them as the second or third because of that uncertainty. | ||
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On June 26 2018 18:15 Holyflare wrote: then do it.I actually really hate this bolded part. Like enough to drop everything and vote Mocsta. Maybe. And at least have the courtesy to explain why it is so scum indicative | ||
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Is calix presenting to you as mafia And if not. Is anyone standing out at this point? | ||
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On June 26 2018 08:06 Calix wrote: small thingSup, long time no see. Fancy randomly bandwagoning some AFK person for the lulz? But if calix is mafia. Its not with tictock | ||
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On June 26 2018 08:09 Tictock wrote: hfMeh, don't see the point when that is literally everyone but us atm. Actually n/m, pointless voting is pointless. I'll prob find some actual work to do. Reading this agaib.. i can sorta see tixtock writing the strike as a joke. Realising its stupid so writes the next part but decides to strike as he personally thinks ita funny | ||
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On June 26 2018 21:38 Conversion wrote: you have been formally upgraded from low care factor to nil care factirI’m peeved Mocsta acknowledged I was “making hits” and didn’t answer my question. CopCake randomly townreading me (though the screen touching joke was funny) bothers me Calix not answering why she voted HF bothers me Nothing substantial yet. CopCake feels town even though she randoy townread peopl earlier but I’d want to mull on it a bit more Congratulations on entering my playlist | ||
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On June 26 2018 21:42 Regfan wrote: gemmaa) Cake never having made a townread during the first cycle isn't a reason to townread her in this game, that's such a copout way to townread someone and I don't understand how it's real. b) You aren't even explicitly saying that you do townread her or giving reasoning for townreading her, so much as saying there's no reason to scumread her. c) The way you're talking through this whole post as if your reads have already been thoroughly established, but they haven't, and there's a huge gulf of missing process where I have no idea where anything you're saying is coming from. It's like you've jumped into positioning yourself in a certain way that feels really forced. c) You're not talking about Calix as if you even think he's mafia. You're coming at this from sideways still, and it's like you're more interested in making Calix look stupid and bad than really scumreading him or actually analyzing anything he's doing. d) You completely ignored my posts on CopCake, despite apparently townreading her, which again makes me feel like you're not really interested in seriously digging into her alignment or approaching any of this honestly, so much as discrediting Calix's push on her. And Regfan just told me while I was writing this that you're dating CopCake, so that's a thing apparently. Don't think it really changes how I am reading this from you very much. Not everything is as black and white .. or.. procedural as you may prefer. ~15% of the populatuon relies on introverted intuitiin to guide their thoight process... this is an understanding of patterns that the mind does sunciously and is EXTREMELY diffiucly to convey to non Ni users. I am an Ni user and i suspect rayn is as well... Trying to understand the truth beind rayn is in some ways pointless because the thought is derived from so many connections and experiences that form the final conclusion even myself or rayn may not fully comprehend. Instead look for consistency. That will tell you if rayn is following gut instinct or bullshitting. Your way may work for you, but is not the only way to skin a cat. Ohh and another thing. Whether i think cupcake/calix is mafia. I am not going to vote and show my hand.. the more info that is released . The more i can form an educated decision once i sleep on it.. i woukdnt base a read on rayn not talking to calix aggressively. This is a sign of experiencw for both town and mafia | ||
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On June 26 2018 22:02 Regfan wrote: lol this is the post that made me solidfy my read on calix vs cupcakeI guess if Calix has a stronger wolf game then this post isn't something I would townread. I could be reading him on too low of a level. The reason I thought this was town was because I don't really think that's how wolves talk to people scumreading them very often. Like, there's discrediting the person pushing on you when you're mafia, and there's saying "I don't believe your scumread on me is real", and it takes two different breeds of wolves. Mainky because of how calix broke out of character to address rayn The tone is so different.. somewhat fearful compared to with ubk own cupcake I.e. hamming up aggression out of fear | ||
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On June 26 2018 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: shorthand for introverted intuitionMocsta what the hell is Ni? My bad | ||
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On June 26 2018 22:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am pretty sure i couldn't be further away from an introvert tbh. Off topic but common misconception Introvert has nothing to do with how you behave in social situations Fact is. We can all be life of the party in the right conditions. Some just reach those conditions easier. I type you as reliant on introverted thinking and intuition. Intro thinking is about logical accuracy. HF is a clear example. Many Ti users fant let go of something factually incorrect even if it doesnt change the outcome. Intro intution is about converging random info into a cinclusion... the problem being you are not always aware of what the inputs are. Ehich leads to challenges expressing why something so simple to the user is so complicated to anyone else. Anyways. Nuff off topic | ||
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On June 26 2018 22:31 Regfan wrote: thats exciting for meSorry I forgot to sign again and got hit with flood control again. I'm bad at this. -G (Fyi I am INFP. I play against type a lot of the time because my intuitive side needs that grounding in process and fundamentals or I just fall off track and lose myself.) Im your complete opposite.. entj We are meant to be mentors for each others weaknesses | ||
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On June 26 2018 22:53 Holyflare wrote: classic town!hfI think your original push on cop wasn't great and was pushed on really mediocre points too hard. I don't like how you kept it up while rayn was disproving it either. It feels like you're grumpy that you shouldn't be pushing copcake anymore rather than pleased it gets rid of a confusing person. You're more concerned with how you look than figuring out. Me likey And on that note. Good night | ||
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On June 26 2018 23:53 Holyflare wrote: fyiIt's weak-ish but enough for me to back off him. Its not redundant to me Im heavily a heuristic is true until proven false player I have no fear to partially out that tell because in my mind at least you cant fabricate ehat im looking for as mafia. Regardless vivax is painful yo read and showing none if his town laser focus Im happy between calix and vivax for a vote Nite 4 realz now | ||
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On June 27 2018 00:12 Tictock wrote: yes. That one game.Not sure this is AI, but this is your recollection of me based on that bastard game where You, me, and DF got our own QT and I convinced myself you were mafia based off the ring nonsense the hosts threw at us? I'm just not sure I've ever seen anyone describe my playstyle like this before. ... Heh, it just now strikes me that we are both referring to this as "not sure if AI", lol. I was confirmed town and you refused to change ya view kn the world It stuck with me lol I will filter dive you on d2 as you arent in my d1 pool | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Quotes] + [B]On June 26 2018 09:50 Regfan wrote: I've played a little over 20 games, although most of them I wouldn't qualify as real games. I'm from Westeros, where we play alted games with usually pretty short deadlines. Regfan has been mentoring me for a while now, and my love for process comes from him. I'm good at some of the things he's terrible at, like having a personality, and he's good at some of the things I'm terrible at (nothing comes to mind right now), so we complement each other pretty well I think. -G I'm going to go out on a limb that Regfan is town because of this interaction (and how important it is to Gemma later in D1 when talking to Rayn). Gemma got so "horny" to share some info about herself - which in her mind is pivotal to town success; that she later interprets the post from Calix to be (positively) conclusive; when merely it is asking for token info that could be discerned as the game progresses. I can't picture a world where mafia would BOTH lap up the opportunity to talk about themselves AND strongly advocate the post as a basis for town+scum reads. Definitely one or the other, but not both. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [quotes] + On June 26 2018 08:06 Calix wrote: Sup, long time no see. Fancy randomly bandwagoning some AFK person for the lulz? On June 26 2018 08:14 Tictock wrote: On second thought, lets vote Regfan, purely for having an obscene prepared post, that I will prob never read. On June 26 2018 08:15 Calix wrote: It was clearly written before he received his role because if he was an investigative role, he (or she, since this is Gemma?) would know that Cops on this site don't get N0 checks. Thus it's not AI. I would like to know more about the two players in the hydra though. How many games have they played, where are they from, stuff like that. On June 26 2018 10:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Calix literally didn't take a stance on anything since the conclusion says "not alignment indicative". Which is by the way the opposite you claimed a conclusion towards your post should be in the first place. Secondly, the conclusion sucks even more since the first paragraph of her post includes an indirect assumption that your hydra is town, which again contradicts clearly to the conclusion she has made. There is no reason to believe, in case your post is pre-written, that you do not believe you have a cop check on N0 as a cop so a smart person, instead of making that post would instead of writing a nice looking nice sounding nonsense post ask "why don't you wanna claim your check right now?" If you think people who are being nice are more likely to be town and people who are not nice are not, then you have a very terrible view of what this game is about. Also if what you said here: ..if you actually believe this, then you should probably call yourself mafia for the very first post you made this game. On June 26 2018 10:49 Tictock wrote: I'm not sure I saw anything in Calix's post that made the assumption that Gemma-Reg is town, but I overall agree with rayn here. Calix's switch in stance from "lets rando vote someone for lol's" to "thats not AI, don't vote" seemed sudden to me. Especially when my suggestion to pile votes on Reg had nothing to do with alignment. I feel slightly hypocritical here though, kus I switched my own stance of "I don't wanna vote pointlessly" to off the cuff voting someone just kus they did something I think is stupid. Actually maybe I do see what you mean here Rayn, there is no way Calix should be able to make any assumption about when Reg prepared that post. PM's went out an hour before the game started so there was plenty of time to decide to do something like that after getting a role, and there should be no real way to tell when someone makes that call. Anyways, I'll optimistically call Rayn and Mocsta town here. On June 26 2018 10:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: If the underlined part is really what Calix believes, there is no reason to assume a mafia fakecliming to be a cop would not believe they don't have a N0 check (since that's how it clearly works where Gemma usually plays, and there are indications of that for anyone whop has ever played anywhere else since it's almost always how it works). So instead of writing the post off as non-alignment indicative any smart person -- again, believing what Calix clearly implies here -- would try to possibly catch a mafia in a lie by asking "so why don't you wanna claim your check now?" Calix has struck me as a player who digs into stuff and small discrepancies even when they possibly don't matter (especially in the game where i was mafia with bugs and oats), and this "ignorance" towards a possibly revealing discussion seems very un-Calix-like. I have highlighted key parts of the quotes in red, as I do believe this is a genuine scum slip/town tell & may have gone over most peoples heads. (1) Calix requests random vote bandwagon (2) Regfan posts a fake post (3) TT requests to vote Regfan (implied to Calix) (4) Calix provides "analysis of Regfan post" by commenting on validity of cop claim (5) Other posters comment on "Regfan post" by simply stating "copypasta" What I find critical about this sequence of events is that: - Calix cop claim assessment doesn't consider a world where Regfan is mafia and fake-posting, instead - Calix auto-assumes a world where Regfan is cop or VT This is important because Calix is changing gears from "random vote" to "analysis before vote" to provide this contribution that is in essence providing town-lean evidence to upgrade from scummy to NULL. This only satisfies mafia agenda. You provide authentic contribution (i.e. town read), make a potential ally in Regfan, and possibly start a wagon on those that scum read Regfan. I think the townier way to go about the fake-post was what others did. Comment that its a copy/paste and move on. In a world where you only have your PM that is green or blue; how do you read into that fake-post any further.... well, you cant. So why does Calix then go out on a limb so early? Why jump to the conclusion that a fake-post is from town land only? Why change gears in the first place? I absolutely understand why town and scum would not want to random vote; but I cannot comprehend why any town would want to feign a care-free attitude to then ditch it immediately. | ||
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On June 27 2018 08:33 Regfan wrote: That could be important as the game progresses. At some stage, someone said CC asking Rayn "am I town/mafia" was a town-tell. Now it is definitively null.I'm including his knowledge that you and CopCake are dating as meta knowledge, I guess. And you've not exactly been a small presence so far.. | ||
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look at the red & focus on the underline. This is a vote with supporting "case", and the key component has a qualifier inserted in it. This suggests to me a lack of confidence (or self-authenticity) behind the post; yet it is drafted aggressively with confidence. Sometimes, its the devil in the details, and given that Calix had no pressure on her at the time, I see no reason for a townie to feel compelled to release a case with that qualifier. On June 26 2018 16:06 Calix wrote: ##Vote: CopCake Two reasons for this: 1) Asks stupid questions. This is self-explanatory. She hasn't asked anything that would actually advance the game forward. But they are questions you make when you want to LOOK like you're doing things. 2) Makes excuses for way too many players in way too short a time period which she is probably doing because she has TMI and knows that the players are being genuine. | ||
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On June 27 2018 08:44 Regfan wrote: Please comment on my posts on the p22(And by playstyle differences I mean Regfan is better at the game than I am and also has higher standards. I'm completely fine to just post whatever the fuck is on my mind at that moment even if it sucks and I hate it an hour later, Regfan would never post something until it passed all his diagnostics without any error messages, beep boop boop.) -G Thnx | ||
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On June 26 2018 23:48 Tictock wrote: IIRC, HF/tt & Regfan/Calix & Cupcake/RaynMocsta, what was the most interesting thing to you in the thread when you wrote this? Those positions were as laid out as they could be at that point in time, so meh. | ||
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On June 27 2018 00:35 Tictock wrote: What I haven't seen anyone comment is that CopCake only mentioned inactives because Regfan asked for town/scum read with gun2head.Not a fan of Calix's case on Cake. Partially kus I think Cake is almost lock town for me. Her points feel more nitpickey than insightful though, like she isn't sure how or what to address in the game. Her first point is weak as both Town and Mafia can ask weak questions, and I disagree that Cake hasn't done anything to advance the game. She has clearly given her own opinions and seems to be openly weighing in on things. I think I need Calix to give better examples of what she means by Cake making excuses for others kus I don't know what she is referring too. The pointing out inactives stuff is weak as well. I've seen both mafia and town do this so it is not very AI. The point would be stronger if that was ALL cake had posted, but it is far from the only thought Cake has presented so I find this pretty underwhelming. Kinda disappointed, I think Calix likely rolled mafia this game and is struggling with her time constraints. Was hoping to play with her as town. The flow from that to, "hmmm, i have spoken about majority, whom is left" is quite transparent. That Calix misconstrues this indicates a superficial filter dive. | ||
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On June 27 2018 00:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: LolI didn't touch this before for someone else to debunk that shit aswell. well this isn't exactly it but like.. If you read Cake's posts she has either a townread or "non-scumread" on every player who has posted so far other than Calix, Holyflare and Regfan. Regfan is already at least "moderately pressured" by Mocsta at the time. Calix is the same, by me and Mocsta. If you don't think anyone else is mafia, who do you want to pressure as town? Beat me 2 it. | ||
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im hesistant to spam p22 even further, so last one for a bit. p20 I feel will have relevance to solving this game, following a few flips. Definitely some things starting to come out of the woodwork. This is where i am at: ShoCkeyy + Show Spoiler + Nothing. Not worth a lynch D1 with existing activity Holyflare + Show Spoiler + Classic town!HF for 2018 at least in my mind. I have no issues with his logic positions, and they are articulated well, without trying to jam it down your throat. I think the rayn/HF comments on me is overblown. HF position is similar to what i was with Regfan. i.e. acknowledge its not worth pursuing but still pay attention to out of caution Regfan + Show Spoiler + I like my #423 read raynpelikoneet + Show Spoiler + His actions are lined up well with what i perceive his headspace to me Calix + Show Spoiler + Aside from the posts I made on p22 e.g. #426 I find Calix to echo thread sentiment very closely. This could be a coincidence, but I find a few things she is doing mimicking my posts - but with an aura of, im doing something someone townie did, so i should be townie too. Its coming across to me as fake. even the back-down into "maybe I OMGUS" seems a bit theatrical for my liking. Koshi + Show Spoiler + More like a 90% null, 10% scum lean, so very weak. I dont have a problem Koshi isnt active, this is somewhat consistent for him in recent games. Its more that the posts lack any type of passion of fun-factor. The "I dont give a fuck" feel is not present, even though the words are meant to communicate that. I wouldnt lynch over Calix Conversion + Show Spoiler + This is more the "I dont give a fuck" feel that Koshi is meant to have. I also like his transition circa p20 to discussing the game more seriously. Is turning stones others have mentioned in the thread and I like it. TheSlenderMan + Show Spoiler + Lurker afk Ticktock + Show Spoiler + I dont have issue with TT content, I more cannot get over how different his play this game is compared to my preconceived notion. How do i say.. i was expecting him to be more like a town Vivax? Will re-evaluate on d2 if i get to filter dive. Definitely havent seen anything beyond early game that makes me go "must lynch!". CopCake + Show Spoiler + Really consistent posting when querying the game, or responding to pressure and the timing of hipster town reads does not benefit mafia. Like, perhaps issuing one read is OK to feign contribution, but not to dismiss almost everyone that had posted. boxerfred + Show Spoiler + Lurker afk Vivax + Show Spoiler + Like Koshi, more a 90% null, 20% scum lean. Im pretty conflicted with Vivax and dont know how to articulate it. I think he is the type of personality that agitates me, so I am more inclined to negatively perceive him. Having said that, unless the agenda is to shit the thread, I dont see how what Vivax is doing benefits mafia; and I also dont know if this is within Vivax mafia range. Would evaluate on D2, and again, wouldnt lynch over Calix. For whatever reason I would probably also rather take a punt on a lurker afk (e.g. boxerfred/slender) then lynch Vivax on D1. I dont know how to explain why this is so. Perhaps because I find him to be a bit like HF in that once the dog has the bone, it will rarely be let go. So Vivax shoudl self-prove over time | ||
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On June 27 2018 12:50 Tictock wrote: fair enough.I am removing Mocsta from my town pool, until further notice. That is all. i prob should have written tubesock | ||
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just nothing worth talking about. like, standing on a box and yelling calix will probably lead to more people NOT voting that direction cos the good content will get lost in the noise. the onyl relevant thing to me right now is if tictock (who i incorrectly wrote as tubesock before) (1) believes i am null, and if so (2) what in particular has steered him towards that conclusion as I presume it is to do with my calix analysis. | ||
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On June 27 2018 13:21 CopCake wrote: Really? How so?Well, Calix is your lock mafia and your case was poor in that mini case you did. | ||
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On June 27 2018 13:36 CopCake wrote: Firstly, I believe I may have called you out first, possibly even on the same page as Calix "case". Well the fact calix called me out... out of nowhere doesnt seem exactly like he is copying you. I just read your other case post #426 but I dont think just one post is strong enough to lock down someone as mafia lr toen. It is Calix progression and how he contradics what makes me think he is mafia. Secondly, I am not stating Calix is blatantly copying me or thread sentiment; however, if she did, thats more likely to be a town tell than mafia. I am saying she is echoing thread sentiment with her own twist - which is so often a mafia thing to do, simply because it works. Lastly, Calix argued the CopCake read quite vigorously, and talks about OMGUS, which leads to "tunneled" I find that one of the key differences between how mafia and town walk away from tunneled reads is that: mafia are focused on "perception/looking good" so will ensure things are said that look good superficially. Everything is clean and quoteable for future reference. Town on the otherhand are a mess. You have someone that has focused so much energy on one outcome that the rest of the game is almost a non-entity and thus are stuck, and have none of the quotable references to walk out looking good. For me, Calix says she is stuck, but is ensuring that this position is transparent in the thread. That to me is pretty much the most mafia-sided mindset I have seen from anyone all game, which is a large chunk of why my vote is cast that way. | ||
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On June 27 2018 13:50 Tictock wrote: Hi TT,Yea it was these couple of posts. This town read makes absolutely no sense to me. I get that I am probably a little tunneled on Reg myself, possibly even just due to the Hydra thing, but this feels super forced. & Post #426, his Calix case, which kept breaking my post for some reason. It feels off how Mocsta is presenting these things from basically the begging of the game like he just discovered them. I could maybe see the first one but the second post about Calix's 3rd post feels more like something he dug up and realized he could write a whole bunch about it. The post about Calix especially bugs me kus I brought this up withing the first few hours of the game, and eventually dismissed it as being rather flimsy. Mocsta was definitely around then, but had no reaction so it is so weird he is taking such emphasis with it now. Idk, those posts gave me weird vibes when I read them and so I took a quick glance through Mocsta's filter. Everything just felt so flippant in his posts up until the last few hours, then suddenly a bunch of effort posts, a fairly shitty list post, and this "case" on Calix. By flippant here I mean there is no clear reads or direction in his posting. Feels like he suddenly decided to put out the effort. There is a bit more, but I don't feel like writing a full essay here. And I already put it so eloquently in my last post. ... Oh actually I did almost forget one thing. Calix was 100% right about this, my memory was faulty and I was getting Mocsta mixed up with Grack in This game. It's odd that Mocsta would have had no clue what I was talking about but still replied "yea that one." I would be willing to write this point off as whatever since it doesn't scream mafia, but you should remember Mocsta keeps using his meta as a basis to read me. So the fact he is so blase about which game we last played in is super off. + Show Spoiler + Side note: In the last game he was actually referring too, now that I remember, there was like 5 blues. I was rolecop and he was Vig. So the fact that I was doubtful of the claim does not represent the true extent of my ability to crazy tunnel. Yes, you are a 'little tunneled' on Reg. The hydra are clearly 2 different heads, but both have the same intent to be open in dialogue. I truly don't think that mafia get excited to talk about themselves such that it influences their reads of other players. Unless you are talking a Regfan/Calix scum pairing, even then, I still think its odd. You don't have to agree, but it is certainly not a forced position. #426 was written as i think the intent of my ping and Rayns clarity went over most peoples heads. It was an attempt to convey introverted intuition, and seems to have failed. I thought your quote was relevant on a re-read which is why i included it. To be honest, I can only see someone taking issue with this if they are concerned Calix is a mislynch and it will make them look bad. I would say only mafia could have that level of certainty on D1 so I really dont know where that puts us? The stuff about the game, i dont see the issue. i said yes because I didnt think it mattered. You had no recollection of me, but I had a strong recollection of you. You may have been a rolecop, but I was actually confirmed. And every second post I made you called me town, and every other postyou called me scum. Its why I had you pegged as this guy that was accuracy. Once outside that permitted boundary, YOU ARE SCUM. Ironically, this is what you appear to be doing now, so, keep it up! In my own & unique way, you are leaning more town. | ||
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On June 27 2018 14:10 Tictock wrote: Thats ok, i appreciate that you repliedOh before I shower I will say @ Mocsta Sorry I don't really do the whole interacting to sus people out. If I had any specific questions to you I'd ask, but I'm actually just mulling over my thoughts as I have them. I wasn't even going to elaborate on why I wasn't sure about you anymore till I had slept on it, but things just started flowing so I posted it. What you presented was reasonable to me on the assumption you are tunneled. Put another way, beter than calix stuff by a long way. Sleep on it and see where we get to tomorrow. | ||
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On June 27 2018 14:15 Tictock wrote: Well thats truly insulting now for me isnt it....Wait that would have made a difference to you? My point was that I'd put Calix, Rayn, and HF as a similar calibure of player, actually I have that sense about Regfan as well. I don't think one day of discussion is sufficient to determine their alignment. fuck off to bed now please. | ||
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On June 27 2018 14:17 Tictock wrote: Aside from the valid slenderman comment.arg, and yes I realize my vote is still on Reg I never said I wasn't a hypocrite myself, but in my defense I am trying to figure out who is actually a good lynch today right now. I would appreciate your take on #454 Prob tomorrow as you seem somewhat biased right now against anything I write. | ||
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On June 27 2018 14:25 CopCake wrote: I will pay that as something I could entertainment.I am going to play with the idea that Gemma didnt know reg was mafia and just posted that beautiful meme and Mafiacalix tried to fix it. I mean even Gemma herself called out regfan in a post. Not for a D1 lynch though. That type of shit is really pushing the limits of acceptable fair play though. I would really hope that isnt the case. | ||
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Gemma aside, where are you at with Calix, Vivax and the content from p20 to 24. Are you advocating to lurker/afk lynch for D1? Which inadvertently suggests, all actives are town-ish? | ||
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On June 27 2018 14:38 Regfan wrote: That is patently false.Planning on doing some ISO's and deeper read thoughts on the more active players when I'm not at work to decide where I want to go today, also think a conversation with Gemma there is massively needed. Current headspace is that I'm very confident (Bet the game level) that there's never more than 1 scum inside of Rayn/Calix/Cake, have Rayn/Calix as non-aligned, Rayn/Cake as non-aligned and Calix/Cake as non-aligned meaning it's going to take a looooot to convince me to lynch inside that grouping since the odds of hitting mafia outside of that is significantly higher. - R 13 players, 3 mafia 9 town. For sake "wank factor" you can treat the originator is lock town. So 3 mafia, 8 town is the game we play. Rayn/Calix/Cake = 1/3 = 33% success rate Remaining pool is 2/8 = 25% success rate If you want to assume no scum in Rayn/Calix/Cake Remaining pool is 3/8 = 37% success rate. Sure, officially its better than 1/3, but practically, there is no difference. Regardless of wanting to consult with Gemma or not, I cannot help but be disappointed that you D1 vote rests on the laurels of percentage instead of deduction. This is quite the anti-climax. Lets see what returns when you have that pow-wow. | ||
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On June 27 2018 14:40 Tictock wrote: This is clear to me, so thanks.I am concerned Calix is a mislynch, but only factor in how that would be bad for town. How would it make me look bad? More to the point here, why would I as mafia stick my neck out to 180 when I've clearly done some legwork to have a perfectly valid reason to push Calix here? These are the little snips that will get me to scumread you, it's hedging at it's finest. You are overall suggesting you think I am town but throw this bit in like you need to keep a line of reasoning that I am mafia. Its not my intention at all, but I absolutely get where you are coming from. Very much appreciated actually. Enjoy the sleep. | ||
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On June 27 2018 15:01 Regfan wrote: Aside from my wrong % (lol) this is still a fancy way to campaigning towards a lurker lynch - which I dont support.You're looking at it the wrong way around Moscta, I think there's a very realistic chance that the three of them are all town here and if there's only one scum inside them then firing inside that pool I'm still just shooting at a 1/3 chance of hitting scum at best. If you think of at it from an angle of "Put them three to the side, remove people I'm confident are town" (Ideally it'll be 2-3 people at minimum) I'm left with a good chance of being in a position where I'm hitting in say 2/6 or 3/6 of the remainder which is fairly decent for D1. I consider the game as a puzzle so to speak, I build and move pieces until I've worked out and gamesolved and I've got a fairly high success rate doing it. If I go through the deep read throughs and come out thinking one of them is suuuper likely scum, obviously this changes and turns into a "They flip scum, clear 2 people from it" but as it currently sits I don't feel that way about any of them at all. Im not going to argue this further. Its a philosophical opinion that people are entitled to have. Im heading off, catcha. | ||
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If i remove calix I end up where you are too | ||
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I dunno if Calix is town, but I trust Regfan enough to relinquish my read. I would vote between Shockeyy and Koshi equally if Calix wont be wagon'd. Shockeyy cos that post shitting on town for being down each others throats is such a mafia style intro post. Koshi for reasons I mentioned prior. Will decide when i wake up. ciao. | ||
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i cant believe 20pages in less than 12hrs! Can someone give me a quick run down; or a link to key posts. I cant read that critically before lynch Thanks, | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:04 Mocsta wrote: Morning! i cant believe 20pages in less than 12hrs! Can someone give me a quick run down; or a link to key posts. I cant read that critically before lynch Thanks, | ||
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he is first vote on shockeyy.... anyways, fuck you all for ignoring me ##Vote; Shockeyy | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:16 CopCake wrote: no. why would i knowYou know shockey has the same scum reads as you right? this is where i was @ last night | ||
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im probably never going ot catch up on this game now I will vote the unturned stone ##Vote: Koshi I dont particuarly care for the filter, and im concerned with the hammer vote | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:19 Koshi wrote: Why is TT townIf I TT is mafia I will pledge my vote to you next 10 games rayn. Next 10 votes. No shit. big claims, need some dot points br0 | ||
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[QUOTE]On June 28 2018 07:20 Mocsta wrote: [QUOTE]On June 28 2018 07:19 Koshi wrote: If I TT is mafia I will pledge my vote to you next 10 games rayn. Next 10 votes. No shit.[/QUOTE]Why is TT town big claims, need some dot points br0 /QUOTE] Not surw if you can read.[/QUOTE]WTF is going on with this game. A, there is no tracker to claim.... B, Why is TT town.... [QUOTE]On June 27 2018 23:10 Koshi wrote: Ended up reading TT and think we should vote Vivax over Calix. I'll still follow rayn but Vivax looks worse from what I read.[/QUOTE][QUOTE]On June 28 2018 07:03 Koshi wrote: After reading tt filter I want to betray rayn.[/QUOTE][QUOTE]On June 28 2018 07:16 Koshi wrote: Reading schockeyy I am ok with him dieing over TT. The betrayel is real but schockeyy is either bad town or mafia. TT is actually playing. ##unvote Vote schockeyy[/QUOTE][QUOTE]On June 28 2018 07:19 Koshi wrote: If I TT is mafia I will pledge my vote to you next 10 games rayn. Next 10 votes. No shit.[/QUOTE] Thats it... | ||
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A, there is no tracker to claim.... B, Why is TT town.... On June 27 2018 23:10 Koshi wrote: Ended up reading TT and think we should vote Vivax over Calix. I'll still follow rayn but Vivax looks worse from what I read. On June 28 2018 07:03 Koshi wrote: After reading tt filter I want to betray rayn. On June 28 2018 07:16 Koshi wrote: Reading schockeyy I am ok with him dieing over TT. The betrayel is real but schockeyy is either bad town or mafia. TT is actually playing. ##unvote Vote schockeyy On June 28 2018 07:19 Koshi wrote: If I TT is mafia I will pledge my vote to you next 10 games rayn. Next 10 votes. No shit. Thats it... | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:26 Calix wrote: WTF... realises he is townie for WHAT REASON!I agree that Mocsta's vote is bad. Because it's off-wagon, nobody really cares about lynching Koshi, and it's basically hammering TT over a scum-read. I am shamelessly giving Koshi a town read because he's agreeing with my reads and realises TT is incredibly townie which elevates him above half the fucking thread already. I agree TT is town but I actually said why... read his fuckn filter and tell me why is shitting on people that think TT is scum.... | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:30 Calix wrote: Can you please re-read the postI realise he's townie as fuck because he's said so much stuff that I, as someone who was in the same position as him, can relate to and it would be very hard for mafia to fake that. He is 100% town to me and everyone who thinks otherwise needs to get an eye check. His tone in particular is very genuine. Also he's not even trying to save himself right now and is trying to help the town despite being the lynch. It's so fucking obvious it hurts. I am referring to Koshi if it was not clear. Also reaD: #999 | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:34 Calix wrote: wtf, and why is koshi not getting lynched?I can't answer for Koshi, dude. I just don't know why you're voting for Koshi over Shockeyy when Koshi is not getting lynched today. what is wrong with you.. | ||
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Filter dive rayn - Theres a couple odditities in his play, but maybe IRL shit. Like, I just dont think he can be that passionate against calix/regfan etc as mafia. Theres a lot of conviction in his posts that I think cannot be faked. Filter dive tictock - Im still not seeing why anyone thinks he is scum. I look at his wagon and see pretty much town (if you treat the shockeyy mafia stuff as a dumbtell) Koshi is probably a crap shoot. I prob more want to lynch him out of spite than I think he is mafia Calix i think is town. #1004 is just something i dont expect mafia to say, but i see town do it all the time. its just a genuine venting of frustration this leaves my voting block to shockeyy, boxer fred, vivax Will filter those guys now ##unvote Who knows, maybe this is a bizarre game where 2 of the scum team are AFK, and vivax is actually by himself lol | ||
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i voted fred please dont vote tictock. hes tote town! | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:48 Holyflare wrote: Just so you know... if BoxerFred is scum, you dont get town pointsJust trust in me like, a scum could easily try to ride cred for an afk scum lynch lol! | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:49 Vivax wrote: Show me how you bend a spoon with your mind and I will https://i.imgur.com/Mmoz6Bn.mp4 | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:49 CopCake wrote: then walk the talk and then fuck off back to raynLiterally considering to vote you after this You read a shit ton of posts on 5 minutes and all your mafia reads are town now? | ||
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theres not that much to filter dive? and its been much more than 5 minutes I am really surprised HF you share this opinion. | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:52 Regfan wrote: Anyone up for a CFD on Vivax here? - R i will | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:53 Holyflare wrote: Do you recall my play as deep and analytical..I don't think the time that elapsed was sufficient for you to filter dive that amount of stuff. Looks weird. I am a reaction player, always have been. why woudl you even try to uphold me to standards of those players.. like, this is beyond stupid HF. | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:57 Holyflare wrote: my vote is on boxerfred dipshitIs this relevant on who to lynch mocsta. | ||
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this is the first afk lurker lynch i have seen lol | ||
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ohh my the shame! | ||
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well i read that stuff when i dived him and thought it was ok why is the inconsistency scummy? like I think he states ?later? that calix is 80% scummy.. so makes sense to me he is fluctuating his position and the 25min pause because stamps is a fair bit of time to change position, at least for me lol is that the only reason he thought you were scum. becase of HF? actually dont bother, i go chec now. | ||
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I thought the first 24hrs went so well I suppose its a bit 'lord of the flies" as in with no genuine wagon everyone has had to create sides, resulting in a lot of tension. TT, I do find it odd that rayn is fluctuating between calling you town/scum thruoghout first 24hrs, and second 24hrs. Moreso, that if you waver like that, I think the position to hold is "null". I dunno if thats really mafia trying to keep options open though. Weird way to do it if you ask me. | ||
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On June 28 2018 08:25 Holyflare wrote: TT is good actually.I think you guys are playing a different game. None of the people (maybe shockey) up for lynch were scummy in the slightest. Half the thread had made absolutely no comment on the leading wagons because they were afk or busy. Rayn had just started to become scummy amd regfan has discord chats outstanding. With me thinking the thread is such a shit show and a lot of townies up for lynch then instead of waiting two cycles and getting two potential modkills that could heavily swing this game badly we elminated a question mark that could have quite easily been mafia. We saved a guy that couldn't be bothered to save himself by voting confirmed town bf and is more than likely town because of it. Calix also voted to save tt and is extremely likely town. That means we have a shit tonne of info that almost all wagons yesterday were town. Mafia love these situations and are happy flitting between lynches and not making much sense. Rayn/cop/shockeyy (yeah if you wanted him lynched then you should have done more. Tough shit.) all look bad doing that. I'd probably add conversion here but that depends on shockey flip and conversion kind of looks ok too. I'm happy with vivax and even koshi. Why am I not included in the "happy flitting between lynches" camp. You even caleld me out for my change of heart in reads? Regardless, Vivax is where I keep coming back. Pretty much acting as a commentator this game, no laser focus. Thats my preferred shot if there is a vigilante | ||
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On June 28 2018 08:33 Calix wrote: Im not sure I will ever catch upI'll accept this as a rationale for your EOD. Doesn't hurt that you agree with me a lot when it comes to reads. I'm not sure about CopCake but it's undeniable that she made a fair few terrible posts near EOD. Might need to reread her. I would add Mocsta to the list but we'll see what he does when he's properly caught up. i dont have the motivation to do it 20pages is a lot, and the game seems to have devolvedinto a shit fest. most likely what will happen is that this is a new slate, and my itnerpretation of p28-48 will be via filter dives. im not apologising for it, but I will try to commit to not throwing out half-baked ideas. | ||
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On June 28 2018 08:38 Holyflare wrote: thats a valid pointIf shockeyy is mafia then tt could have quite easily voted him and those people would be bussing shockeyy if they were mafia for no reason. similar scenario to kita/me/iamp in the last game on d2. no1 voted jumped as needless Do you think Rayn was legit to scum read regfan and then town read based on some "inside info" shit that went over my head? | ||
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On June 28 2018 08:51 Tictock wrote: I do tr readI am confused, I thought you townread me after the stuff so posted about you a day or so ago, which was more or less the last time you were in the game. its why i didnt vote you but koshi has never explained why he didnt want to vote you, and instead shits on me "learn2read br0" | ||
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CopCake is saying I am super bad.. not yo Calix. No need to wring each others necks. I think we are all town here. | ||
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Not sure about anyone trying to be town leader, but I am curious if you have updated thoughts on Rayn, in particular given there are several leaning scum on him. Apologies if you have addressed some of this already. | ||
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On June 28 2018 11:22 Tictock wrote: Yeah I get that, but honestly, I kinda skimmed past the past 2-3 pages cos it looks like people yelling at each other. Perhaps there is content there but I am not motivated to read through it... You may be right, but I'm also all for figuring out a good way of actually getting everyone on that page. It doesn't work to well to say "hey you are all town, don't worry about it" when half the people are still muttering under their breath. However yea, breaks are good. I cant imagine I am the only one feeling that. Any thoughts about Vivax? I noticed that in HF list he put Vivax as leaning town. | ||
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On June 28 2018 11:24 CopCake wrote: I dont know why you have to be like this?What makes rayn mafia? Explain to me on a case because last I remember me and you had the same reads and suddenly in 5 min you changed your mind. I am asking you because my read on Rayn hasnt changed throughout the game; whereas, for others, it is visibly changing. I am genuinely interested in your feedback. | ||
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On June 28 2018 11:33 Tictock wrote: hmm that last bit is a good point. As mafia he certainly had the follow through to commit.Yea I agree, Vivax looks pretty townie to me here. He's been a bit off the walls, but not by a huge margine. I glanced over a bit of his filter at some point and it looks a lot more like Vivax trying to figuer out a world that makes sense to him that trying to see what shit-flinging would stick. Especially Vivax's eod, he pushed for who he wanted lynched, and defended people he thought were town. He was pretty invovled and made some good points. Actually looking back over a bit of his filter, he looks really towny from my PoV kus he had made some posts earlier about suspecting I could be mafia, so I know he could have easily gotten me lynched. Given how active I am being this game, I can't imagine mafia being that willing to save me to help get BF lynched. Me likey Do you what koshi was talking about with a "tracker claim"? | ||
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On June 28 2018 11:36 CopCake wrote: Thanks,My feedback is that I am not seeing raynmafia! In this game. Last time he was mafia it was a rsoultin game, the drawing game in which I had a very difficult time with HF and many others (I bet you are not surprised) and I could feel rayn mafia but I wasnt 100% sure, Rayn made this huge “OMG I feel so insulted brb gonna be modkilled” and the host “cleared him” and HF also did so the rest of the game he afk’d forever and in this game he hasnt done that. In fact, he took the time to read my other games, he was probably not so sure about me because if I remember correctly I jumped on him and told him the whole meme case was dumb since it was a meme, deffended TT, etc (Wow I sheep rayn too much!) until he noticed that I had a meta (Which I never realized) and got a FACT to prove all of YOu that I am town. I never saw this as a pocketing because if he wanted to pocket me he would be all super buddy buddy but no, he was firm and like neutral towards me. He then did a case for Calix, he has been scumhunting and putting effort, his most “eh” post is when I said the only way he could be mafia is if Calix is town but that is it. I'm glad that you mentioned the AFK, cos he did the same thing last time i played scum with him too. Popped in every so and so, and just AFK rest of cycle. He may have mentioned at one point it related to fatigue from rolling scum multiple times in a row, but meh, the impression lasted with me. (a bit like tictock). I suppose my only comment to above is that I dont know how much it means for him to read your other games BECAUSE of his personal connection with you. As mafia, he may subconsciously feel pressure to put some "science" behind the read; instead of saying, "gut feel". But i dont view this strongly, as it could equally apply to town not wanting to be "bamboozled". Also the way he injected into the thread I think was townish. So meh,. What do you make of the sudden change in the hydra? I assume you know at least of them? Is this behaviour plausible? Like, as scum, why would you kick up a hissy fit if you just got a mislynch on a lurker? | ||
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@ Regfan I dont know if this is meaningless or not, but, the discord logs is such short conversation compared to how you articulate in the thread. im quite shocked actually. Im not going to lie. One hand it totally makes me go.. ahhh. this is why there is a disconnection On the other hand. it totally makes me go.. this has to be fake I suppose I can appreciate the frustration some may feel with how the lynch went down; but; whats weighing in for me is that I thought it was normal across other sites to each random vote on D1. This is heavily advocated by n00bking IIRC. Im choosing to go down the disconnection route. Primarily because I dont see how your posting style this game suits mafia agenda. In the sense of, if you want to infiltrate town, sure, you have done it. but i dont see how you have been working in a team (aside from each other). | ||
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On June 28 2018 11:49 CopCake wrote: hahah, hissy fit is "kicking up a stink" , 'being a drama queen", "jumping on the bed and screaming"Explain to me the part of the “hissy fit” please? I am refering to Regfan declaring he will quit, everyone is a fuckwit etc. Maybe "Ragequit" would translate well? | ||
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On June 28 2018 11:55 CopCake wrote: I can read through the dialogue with you/Calix if you would like, but my opinions right now are based on what you are stating.I feel kinda mad yeah, I can understand the feeling but to be like “all of you suck” doesnt work because I dont think we have been bad to reg, I think HF called Gemma out for that. What I have problems it to clear Calix and TT. Calix wanted to kill an AFK, she said so when I asked her which were her mafia reads and it seems she had problems to lynch boxfred? I mean maybe is because shotkeys? Was her mafia read but I do think that if she felt firmly that shotkey was mafia she would try to convince people and give reasons why he is mafia and TT isnt. If calix is mafia, and said, lets kill an AFK.. then why hesistate against boxerfred? I dont see the benefit to drop this read AND then campaign to save tictock. If anything, thats pretty townie, instead of voting your possible scum read, protect your biggest town read. Even from a percentage point of view, its more likely to be right on a townread, then a scum read, no? I do think that Calix play is indicative of someone still recovering from early cases and votes against her. In particular, the saving townread thing I mentioned just above. As for TT, I will have to filter dive to understand what your specific issues with his play are. I can do this when I get back from KFC if you like. | ||
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Yeah in isolation to the game, the "grab my tools and go" thing seemed like a super over reaction. If anything, you woudl think rayn is super happy to be town, and his gf (copcake) be town. But, i dont know if there was some "inside story' between rayn/regfan that sparked that reaction. I have chosen to treat that as null on that assumption; but meh, happy for either to clarify though. | ||
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On June 28 2018 12:17 Tictock wrote: That you werent bagging rayn?Wondering if Mocsta will notice his mistake, and in the meantime if reading comprehension is this big an issue or if I'm being pandered too. I was giving my take on it, not going +1 Other than that, not sure what you could be referring to. | ||
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On June 28 2018 12:23 CopCake wrote: Shotkey* lol shock-e shot=key is diode | ||
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On June 28 2018 12:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: dude, mental health is a real thingI am npt sure why i even asked him to play. I probably thought he could actually handle a game where people argue with him. if you have a problem with him as a person, take it out of the game please. this is needless regardless of alignment. | ||
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On June 28 2018 12:22 CopCake wrote: in your eyes, why would mafia hesitate to vote a town boxerfred? especialy, if she already showed she was willing to vote an afk?I have problems with this, I personally would go to lynch my mafia read and go to try to make others follow me, not make others follow me (or in this case with the help of HF) to help to vote for an AFK. If she wouldnt hesitated then I understand because that was her first position but when the time came and she got a gun to shot... she was like “Oh no I am doing this to save TT” It is like she hesitated because she knew boxerfred was town? Or her frustation came because shotkey wasnt being lynched? Either way I would have learned MORE if TT or even Shitjey would have been lynched, now I am here; stuck with ny same reads, confused because I see a lot of change of hearts. mafia cant just keep voting mafia as for shotkey, im not sure, i will have to filter dive that. can do once i finished with the wicked wings. | ||
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On June 28 2018 12:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: if you r town.. i don get y this is bad....He himself proved he is town by bs shit. | ||
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On June 28 2018 12:40 Tictock wrote: you commented on 2 timeline eventsSo, you didn't understand why I would not switch back to Shokey, but thought both of us could be mafia. So you had to have concluded that we were mafia together and I was wanting to save my teammate then correct? The boxer thing I was in total agreence about if you noticed. Care to elaborate? You somehow got reg and conversion totally confused, not sure how you made that mistake unless you only glanced at my post without reading it. i agree conversion/rayn is natural so didnt bother. i was comment on oriignal post which i believe was to regfan | ||
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On June 28 2018 12:41 CopCake wrote: i thought it had to do with regfan going for a run and talking about the good ol' days.I am gonna assume rayn is mad because gemma used a super cheap appeal to emotion card that made him feel bad flr no reason. Rayn is a very sweet person and cares for his friends. That is why he invited refgan and slenderman here. nothing to do wityh gemma? seems odd beef here because even you are adding "super cheap" here etc | ||
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On June 27 2018 21:40 Regfan wrote: @Rayn - Lets talk, want to put your brain in for a second if you can find it? Maybe there's a reason that Gemma and myself weren't playing much as a hydra for the prior parts? Hmmm. Let me think, oh yeah, I wasn't fucking here for ~20 hours and mentioned a few times I'm going to my girlfriends last night and would have zero chance to get to a computer. You know, that thing that I haven't been joining games of mafia for a while due to and why I've had to tell you no to playing prior games, yeah that? This really should be something that you'd have realised fucking ages ago. Oh and me playing this game a jigsaw puzzle and that I'm trying to break things into blocks and solve them that way re; what I was saying with you/calix/cake, the same thing where I've mentioned I assess things differently and look for anti-alignments in games to you before I agreed to come play a game here. And it really shouldn't be that difficult to understand why I'm more hesitant when it comes to reading you here, I pretty much know if you're scum and I state a town read on you here, you'll shoot me N1 and then make fun of me post-game for misreading you; sure I may have had a fairly good grip on reading you in the past, and heck, maybe I still do, but I've made it pretty clear in that I've changed a lot as a player since back then and I'm normally more patient when it comes to some reads. I wanted to be able to interact with you a lot and actually see you gamesolve to be able to solidify a read on you. But yeah, you're town, I don't think you go with this much of a stupid attack here if you're scum at all and think it's literally just another case of you not thinking about anything deeply at all, or stepping back and analysing and trying to solve. So congrats, you've properly tilted me, happens very fucking rarely, but yeah, you're wrong on Calix, you're town and you're still completely unbearable to play with and I'm going for a run because I don't want to even deal with this shit anymore. - R On June 27 2018 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: nothign to do with gemma?Well you're probably town after all. Actually no, definitely. You have some weird way of twisting my play into some fucking bullshit about you when it is -- and has never been like that. It is cheap way to prove you're town Regfan, in my opinion. Whenever i disagree with you or think you are mafia you blow up and make a post like this. Also no, if i am mafia in this game i never shoot you N1 and no, i won't, or ever have made fun of you after game, as any fucking alignment (except for when you told erveryone in the game i am the worst player ever and then i got angry and single-handedly lynched all mafia and SK in a row because i got pissed off at you). And even then, that was my way of making fun of you, indirectly. So if you wanna talk about something yeah, we can talk. I am gonna be gone for like 5-6 hours though. Maybe Gemma can like share the secret of why TT is a scumread because it still isn't out there. I also disagree with your reads on Koshi and Shockeyy. I do not think they are overly townie but when i have an actual scumread i am not lynching a null over scumread. i dunno how important this is.. so going to stop here could just be group beef outside game | ||
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On June 28 2018 12:48 Tictock wrote: i dont understand where pander comes fromSo you are just pandering to me then Mocsta? Kus you clearly weren't trying to understand what I said in that post. u say u give rayn BoD which is null or town you reference convo/rayn as justification im saying view it as null because i consider some external factors. what is this pandering to you that you are mentioning? idg it? | ||
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On June 28 2018 13:39 CopCake wrote: I believe via PoE is where it comes fromI am still waiting for someone to tell me how rayn is mafia. On June 27 2018 21:16 Vivax wrote: HF/koshi/shockey works for me actually. Probably a better combination than one including rayn, although I don't understand his anger about conversion, mostly cause I would just agree that I'm a dick at times. On June 28 2018 05:48 Vivax wrote: Copcop feels slightly townie after reread if I add a spanish accent to her wording so I guess the guys who are scum besides schockey are mocmoc and raynrayn. I'm sort of feeling good about HF as I don't believe he's just going to stay on boxer. I can't get rid of the feeling he's just sort of derping around tho. I am not sure on TT current Rayn read. Filter ebbs and flows for last 10 ctrl+F On June 28 2018 09:55 Tictock wrote: Rayn is totes mafia, you also need to still explain why you think I am mafia. You keep putting out really vuage things about it. Wait, actually weren't you the one who thought I was town and it was G who thought I was mafia? What happened? On June 28 2018 10:22 Tictock wrote: Yea that was after I wanted to lynch Rayn, also I may not have been fully caught up at that time. If so I guess that is my bad. I kept thinking I was was almost caught up, but this game has been pretty active. This is more Rayn is in null-land territory On June 27 2018 21:14 Conversion wrote: 1) I'm not actually being serious about HF. He sounds town, doesn't like TT like me. Overall his play is unimpressive to me so far 2) After some thought,TT is unremarkable and does his whole unlynchable shtick, but I doubt mafia would do that on a day where people get lynched for more inane reasons than that. That lynch pool was a gun to my head if I were to vote on people. I still don't think there's a mafia in Vivax/Calix, but I may be wrong. If I'm going by PoE, you and rayn are not lynches today. Mocsta/HF/Cop are my town reads. Shockeyy/Vivax/Calix/Koshi My Vivax read is more of a gut feel as he hasn't posted enough to form any read to me. I do actively question people who scum read him and Calix together as that makes almost 0% sense in my books On June 28 2018 08:25 Holyflare wrote: I think you guys are playing a different game. None of the people (maybe shockey) up for lynch were scummy in the slightest. Half the thread had made absolutely no comment on the leading wagons because they were afk or busy. Rayn had just started to become scummy amd regfan has discord chats outstanding. With me thinking the thread is such a shit show and a lot of townies up for lynch then instead of waiting two cycles and getting two potential modkills that could heavily swing this game badly we elminated a question mark that could have quite easily been mafia. We saved a guy that couldn't be bothered to save himself by voting confirmed town bf and is more than likely town because of it. Calix also voted to save tt and is extremely likely town. That means we have a shit tonne of info that almost all wagons yesterday were town. Mafia love these situations and are happy flitting between lynches and not making much sense. Rayn/cop/shockeyy (yeah if you wanted him lynched then you should have done more. Tough shit.) all look bad doing that. I'd probably add conversion here but that depends on shockey flip and conversion kind of looks ok too. I'm happy with vivax and even koshi. On June 28 2018 09:33 Holyflare wrote: 2018 power tier list sheep or die Calix TT Vivax Conversion Mocsta Koshi (potential to move up) Copcake Slenderman (why) Reg (possibly not with rayn) Shockey (possibly not with rayn) Rayn | ||
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On June 28 2018 14:09 CopCake wrote: PoE is process of eliminationWhat is PoE? I am not used to the terms. Probably appeal to emotion is the only one I use with meta. so in 13 player game.. if you have 10 town reads, the remaining 3 are mafia by process of elimination | ||
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i dont get how I think it was TT thinks his filter is good. Just looking for those rayn quotes was like meh, completely unfocused and just being there. | ||
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On June 28 2018 16:26 Holyflare wrote: I've tried being nice to you but you decided to modkill yourself instead when faced with totally non-toxic pressure so good day to you. I hope you find pleasure playing mafia elsewhere. Ehen did they get modkilled?? | ||
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My main doubt of rayn is why he got so annoyed with regfan being" town." Could be as simple as twas mafia setting up to get his friend lynched and couldnt make the move anymore because he is now meant to know regfan is town Like its a real oddity for me to get past | ||
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On June 28 2018 19:18 Holyflare wrote: mmm i suppose thats valid too for someone like rayn and i think equally yourselfHe's done it before when someone swore on their life that they were town and he got annoyed that it was a cheap way to confirm themselves. Pretty sure he was town then too. Kk i treat that as null therefore rayn is back in my good boy pile I want to shoot koshi | ||
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On June 28 2018 19:26 Holyflare wrote: I wouldn't care if someone cheaply became town unless I was mafia lol Lol so its totally legit im hung up on this And copcake is annoying about it because clearly biased Meh. If rayn was scum. I treat him as 3rd and just wont bother with it any further. Is rayn still your top read? | ||
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On June 28 2018 22:09 CopCake wrote: if you include the second half of thr sentence it states you are clearly biased (about rayn)Explain the part “copcake is annoying” Thats is why you are annoying | ||
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On June 28 2018 22:24 Calix wrote: this post is sexyRayn came in and asked "why does ShoCkeyy have votes?" At the time, ShoCkeyy had three votes. One vote was me (his top scum-read). One vote was Vivax (another one of rayn's scum-reads). The third vote was Tictock. Therefore it doesn't make sense for him to ask that question. Because the obvious answer from rayn's point of view is that mafia are trying to mislynch ShoCkeyy. When I asked him this, rayn just called me "super scummy" and never answered the question. I would love to hear copcakes biased opinion | ||
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And its not even clear what its relating to.. what the stuoid as fuck 3 shots at night.. If shockeyy has played here b4.. thats nit a dum tell as no game this size has that mechanic. Nor is it a vig crumb Criticse it all you want but calix conclusion is legit because of your position on the dumbtell which you just reinforced.... | ||
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On June 28 2018 22:43 CopCake wrote: So yeah, now 100% confident that Rayn is town now and that bullshit of “He knows town will be lynched” doesnt work because he never had TT in his scumlist, in fact I think I asked him “dont you see TT x Calix” Im on phone Is there any supporting quotes that rayn tr tt at that point? | ||
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On June 28 2018 22:48 CopCake wrote: Yeah I think this is quite solid that you are not mafia. So kind of you to say that about me | ||
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I still want to k ow from rayn why its auch an issue regfan town claimed to him only... | ||
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Time to mud wrestle Yes im such a sexist pig and luvin it | ||
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On June 28 2018 22:58 Calix wrote: ohh your a dude?Referring to yourself as a babe might be a stretch there, luv ^^ 4 some reason i thought otherwise?? | ||
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On June 28 2018 23:03 Vivax wrote: qasnt i in your scum pool b4my current wild guess is cop rayn shockeyy Wheres the vivax passion this game? | ||
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On June 28 2018 23:12 Vivax wrote: lolYea you still are sort of swappable for one of them. Not Shockey tho You make me chuckle Where is the vivax passion this game? | ||
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On June 28 2018 23:19 Vivax wrote: i can buy that actuallySo I caught up a little but not fully. Calix do me a favour and go back to being an obstructive dick and never ever describe me as a beautiful butterfly again, I thought I was going to puke. The only way to overcome my laziness in games is to be given obstacles I want to pass. Right now I don't feel like I have to do anything besides pushing for a shockey lynch attempt take 2. Why do you krep lurking thrn? | ||
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On June 28 2018 23:29 Vivax wrote: Can't get rid of the feeling you are trying to pocket me. What country are you from btw? Weren't you also austrian or something? Me 2 If i have to lynch me to prove green i eill vivax I love u!!! | ||
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On June 28 2018 23:31 Calix wrote: mud wrestle plsI'm now tempted to add saccharine descriptions of how wonderful you are every time I refer to you. But for real, we're all fucking around, making glorified shit-posts and waiting for the less-townie people (ShoCkeyy, TheSlenderMan, rayn, Koshi, whoever floats your boat) to do something. I'm just bored right now and have no drive to do anything because nothing's made me consider whether my reads are well off. Maybe mafia team are demotivated so that leaves the townies bickering among themselves or something. Seems a bit easy but I'm not seeing why I should think otherwise. | ||
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On June 28 2018 23:51 Conversion wrote: Lack of choiceMocsta, why did you vote BF? my filter is very transparent about what I walked into... 20+pages and a shit-show. I can't help it if people dont like how I reacted to that, but I doubt others could have done much better | ||
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On June 29 2018 00:30 Holyflare wrote: This is beyond obtuse.My nk analysis just said it's a mocsta nk and it was....? In the QT, Kitaman wanted that NK. I think I was going to shoot slenderman LOL + you dont mention my name at all. You always are so loose with implications, and then ham it up.. yeah i meant that , imeant that! *wanking my hand off gesture* now | ||
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On June 29 2018 01:23 Tictock wrote: Thats because you're the brawn, and I'm the brains.You are also probably mafia for not doing any investigation yourself and just constantly reacting to what everyone else is presenting. Like you changed your own opinion about Rayn after every post HF made. You are just on the sidelines cheering ppl on and nodding your head at what you assume to be the right time. Now please serve me some more investigative work. | ||
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On June 29 2018 01:35 CopCake wrote: HF wants modkills as town. That I can confirm.Also just a friendly reminder that HF wants modkills :D and ai think Vivax too. | ||
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On June 29 2018 07:34 Conversion wrote: I tr Regfan and I tr Rayn.Didn't you hard townread Regfan who said don't vote boxerfred, and wanted to lynch Shockeyy? or anyone but boxerfred? Rayn said there is some dumb-tell which I (PRESUMED) to be the mafia shots in the night thing. Either way, I had more trust in general of Rayns assessment of town/scum leans, so chose to not vote shockeyy. I actaully really wanted to lynch Koshi though. Still do, but ppl saying. stop wasting ya vote. dickhead. So i swapepd to boxer fred, given i didnt want to lynch TT. | ||
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On June 29 2018 03:25 Holyflare wrote: not gonna get it.He is an entity that has completely fallen from grace. Null tbh. Want more. I can stop spamming "in the moment" stuff; but you arent gonig to get analysis. Too far behind and I think this game is relying now on a view nk/lynches to clear big question marks. i in particular do not like people assuming so and so is town, because unknown player is mafia (i.e. rayn re: shockeyy). thus, i genuinely dont know how to interpret where we are at right now without flips. frankly, im really disappointed you say this. my game is dramatically different to the kitaman/iamp game.. like night and day TT is legit, that I am sitting in the back as a coordinator; but this is COMPLETELY different then sitting in the back as a +1'r. If you think I am being a +1'r I will cop it on the chin and reevaluate how im playing; but, i really dont see how that is possible. | ||
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On June 29 2018 05:48 Tictock wrote: Why is lack of direction and drive mafia only?I was hoping for a bit more than this as well. As for my own view, I've stated it at least once today, but I'm gunna back it up a bit more. First off Mocsta's reads are really not very clear in his filter. He made one big list post in #440 which has a bunch of townreads, Calix as his main scum read, and some sus on Vivax and Koshi. He has some discussion with Reg which results in this. Not really clear what happened to his Vivax read, and it is a bit odd that he is willing to drop his main scumread Calix because he trusts Reg. He returns to the game just a few hours before lynch and has almost no direction, though he does stick with his earlier post about Koshi and Shokey as he votes both of them. However none of these reads have any real conviction as he kinda throws the votes out just kus. Not gunna dig too much on this as a couple other people pointed out Mocsta goes from asking for help getting caught up to sudden;y having time to dive filters. He also seems to have remembered he had a scumread on Vivax at this point. Other than Vivax dropping off his radar Mocsta's read are fairly consistent I suppose. My issue is that there is just no drive to catch mafia in Mocsta's play. He dropped his only real scumread kus he respected Regs opinion, and kinda just floundered all of EoD. Now we get back to his play this night phase which has a similar lack of direction and drive. He is playing nice and talking with people, but his opinion changes almost every other post due to what someone else says. I keep coming back to my interaction with him last night as well. He acted like he was reading my post about Rayn and Conversion, but totally missed the mark and somehow thought I was talking about Regfan. When I pointed that out he still didn't read the post correctly. He similarly pulled a few quotes from my filter but didn't bother to check the context and misread the meaning again. It felt a lot like the thing me mistaking the last game I played with him, he just agreed to whatever I said without caring that it was wrong. Just this very consistent sense that he doesn't actually want to solve this game. I can't shake it. I dont know whom is the most suitable lynch... and ppl standing up beating the chest are full of shit. Im finding this game overwhelmingly townie.. which is the problem My gut says that mafia are the people we arent talking about.. i.e. ppl blending in This happens to be Conversion, Koshi and one of (Shockeyy,Vivax, TheSlenderMan) TheSlenderMan could actually explain a lot of how everything has unfolded, and general lack of shti from Koshi. Thats where I am at.. and.. how am I meant to get people to vote with that logic. So go fuck yaself and ya reads Further, you are really agitating me with this missing the point shit.. Your point was abundantly clear, and what you keep missing is that I added another tidbit of information. You are clearly doing what you did that last game and its infuriating me in the way that regfan infuriated rayn. Do you have to so cheaply make yoruself town! Seriously, YOU ARE THE ONE THAT MISSED THE POINT! | ||
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On June 29 2018 07:58 Tictock wrote: You are such a dipshitMocosta you added nothing, Reg had nothing to do with any of the stuff I was talking about re: Rayn vs Conv. Look at the fucking post, or read the goddam game yourself. I'm tired of you talking past what I was pretty clearly pointing out. Rayn even made a post that confirmed what I was saying, and I pointed this out and linked it back to the post in question. And my point was less that all of this tells me you are mafia, than it leaves me no grounds to call you town. i have commited so many posts to talking about that regfan/rayn thing its a fuckn important issue in my eyes. go fuck yoruself | ||
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On June 29 2018 08:02 Tictock wrote: I am going to try one last time to explain this.Dude I was never talking about Regfan-Rayn Geezus TT: References (indirect) quote from Rayn to REGFAN, and then spoilers (earlier) dialogue between Rayn/Conversion and talks about Rayn being suss for AFK (which is actually in relation to REGFAN). Mocsta: Talks more about the (indirect) quote from Rayn to REGFAN because it doesnt make any sense for a town player to be annoyed they can read someone cheaply as town. I know from personal experience when I chuck the shits like this, its because I was mafia setting up a trap over a period of time, and now I cant execute it (Im referring to BeenThereDoneThat in my comeback game this year). I really dont know how to express this any clearer & I cannot comprehend what is so challenging to accept I used your post as a starting point for my own thought process. This is exactly the shit im talking about, where you are this "accurate" dipshit and its extremely unpleasant to play with. The difference between this game and last game is that I know to at least expect this from you and so it doesnt change my read on you. This is really fucked because I would hope you have the courtesy to apply the same to me. | ||
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I truly recalled that being associated outside conversion. Please dont ignore me. Now we are both town in each others eyes, we can at least communicate effectively. I will commit to reading more. My early thoughts are that the Vivax NK is a similar 2-for-1 selection like with Superbia last game. (A) Vivax is medic dodge (B) Vivax may have been on the right track I have dived his filter and still forming a conclusion, but this post is sticking out to me. I am not entirely sure where Conversion fits, but I can totally see Rayn/CC being the same alignment. And in a lot of ways this pairing makes sense to me, even though I have advocated majority of game has been town dominated. It makes sense because without a supporting filter-dive, my recollection of CC is a focus purely on Calix and Rayn. Not much further. And I can't get past Rayn chucking the shits at the hydra. On June 27 2018 01:29 Vivax wrote: Conversion seems to be super hedgy this game. Several instances of CC suspicion but he isn't doing much with it. On June 28 2018 23:58 Vivax wrote: I can also see a conversion cop mocsta world btw. Where if it isn't mocsta it's rayn. This is why it's super annoying to play mafia with couples, especially when at least one of them takes it to the personal level. Short story is, i can swing a vote to Rayn, but then i wont be motivated to re-read the game. So thats it, im going to spend the nexst 24-36hrs reading the game and not posting. Hoepfully this will do you all a service from me. | ||
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On June 29 2018 09:39 CopCake wrote: What a waste of a post.Yeah, mafia never kills to frame 🙄 | ||
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im not going to waste my time reading this shit coming up on a weekend, if you are just going to throw away everyone from d1 and call me mafia for fuckn stupid non-alignment indicative reasons. i have made up my mind ##Vote: conversion See you at deadilne. | ||
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but i cant see CC as scum from the first 4 pages. I just cant. | ||
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On June 29 2018 11:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Its not the point.Noone is going to lynch you today most likely. Unless you decide to go all emo over nothing and possibly throw away your vote like 5 minutes into D2. like ppl are already iffy about me because they expect me to do things I simply don't do. Some ppl are good at deductive logic and others at inductive. im the former but TL is jam packed with deductive types. im just stating mi not going to invest literally 12hrs of my life to read something and then get lynched later. waste of time. conversion to me has been blending in all game and skating the line of active enough to not be forgotten, and not pissing one off. Hes doing it really well actually. Thats enough for my vote regardless of filter dive and/or thread catch up. peace. | ||
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i did want to lynch calix, i really thought it was a kitaman thing all over again. everyone shit on my calix points, in particular regfan whom input i valued. since then i have treated calix as town. | ||
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On June 29 2018 11:54 CopCake wrote: This is false, stop being a fangrlNope, you changed your mind like in 3 minutes on the end of the day when she was leading. I was here 1hr before deadline. thats guaranteed cos i start work 1hr before deadline. You dont get to stand on your soapbox and tell me what i was thinking. it took me a lot of effort to write those calix posts so fuck off. | ||
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go fuck off and read some posts before that. | ||
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On June 27 2018 20:54 Regfan wrote: Cos you are so fuckn stupid , here you go.I want to respond to this before I start on anything else because I know you said you value my input considering how differently we think about things, and I don't want you to think that I don't respect your reads or care about the work you've done. I actually don't think what you're looking at is super indicative, I think town make small assumptions like that pretty often and sometimes it's just that they make an inductive leap or because it isn't or doesn't seem necessary. I don't think you're right that what he did only satisfies scum agenda. I understand what you're seeing there, but I think it can also just be him as town making a post, maybe a bad post, but just a post about things that he thought. I kind of think that you might be going a little too deep. I don't think that mafia very often think on that many levels inside one post, or try to do all of those things at once like that. Not that early in the game anyway. I think if you simplify the whole thing, then you've got Calix seeing people talk about something, recognizing to himself that it's not actually indicative, and moving to put a close to a discussion that isn't really fruitful by saying that it's not AI. I think there's actually a fair bit more mafia motivation in stirring shit up about it, trying to keep town distracted from meaningful gamesolving, keep them thinking that it's a scummy or weird post, or even attacking someone who is attacking it. I don't know if any of that makes sense or not or helps you at all. i dropped my calix read after this. | ||
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heres a big tip why dont you go and put all this nice effort into conversion vote actions. like. yeah im mafia and the way to win is to cop this type of heat for lynch actions. this is so fuckn stupid. rayn and hf might want to gloat how they fuckn are nk this and that. well i will gloat as mafia, i simply do not put myself in positions to be scrutinised like this from wagons. i jsut dont, everything is meticulous in the filter for follow through. | ||
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On June 29 2018 12:28 CopCake wrote: Sorry if I am "difficult" but then explain to me your vote on Boxerored and not Shockey if you think he is mafia? "REASONS" It is difficult to me to imagine a town not voting for a mafia read but instead an afk person. This is because of inductive vs deductive logic. when i say i have a mafia read, it is at a completely different intensity to what the majority state. my game play is based on impressions because i look at everything.. which also means what i do view is in many ways, shallow or superficial. this is why at the game start, regfan thought i was detached because i can easily jump from person to person. i dont need you to get that.. you just need to understand not everyone plays the way you do. | ||
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On June 29 2018 12:38 CopCake wrote: its ok, i've calmed down somewhat.Conversion was on TT, last moment was on Shockey, gonna check his filter again to see if he ever mentioned him. The problem here is that you had a scum read, two scum reads on wagons. You got convinced on one, but the other one???? I am gonna start to type sorry in each post in case I piss off some for my questions. Sorry. i do apologise for those outburts, not that it is acceptable in the first place. this game is frustrating to me because the first 24hrs seemed almost perfect (from my PoV at least). the next 72hr.. meh anyways, my lynch options one hour from EoD was Calix, Shockeyy and Koshi. I have already explained why i didnt want to vote calix and shockeyy. and it should be clear i didnt want to vote TT. so i voted koshi, and everyone shit on me. Thats why i swapped to fred, it was a 50/50 lynch when i had no options. I think it may have been HF saying TT was town for not swapping to boxer to savehimself? it sounded plausible when i read it, but now i think about it, i dont agree. as town i have swapped onto unknowns to save myself. i only wouldnt swap if the alternate wagon was a very strong town read. i still think tt is town though, just not for that reasoning. | ||
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On June 29 2018 12:43 CopCake wrote: this went over my headThere you have it. Conversion is so fucking town. His change of vote was to save Boxfred. GG. i dont understand how saving boxerfred makes someone town? | ||
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Everything is just loose throw away comments that echo others "ohh, this person rubs me the wrong way" Heres one for you, do any of conversions opinions that you share come first? I suspect it does not. | ||
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On June 29 2018 13:01 CopCake wrote: Please listen carefully.He wanted to kill his mafia reads, never a town. Unless you think TT and Shockey are both town idk how Conversion's pov doesn't work with yours since you also think Shockey is mafia. Conversion tried HARD to kill Shockey to save Boxerfred. Do you even understand why conversion has those reads.... The act of follow through is non-alignment indicative. Both mafia and town have reasons to do it. Its why and how that matters, and at least to me, its very much lacking with conversion. | ||
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On June 28 2018 01:58 Conversion wrote: And this unlynchable thing.. this happened on what.. p8 and is an outcome of HF + me/rayn saying we could swing a vote.Tictock’s unlynchable bit bothered me and then he chooses to completely ignore the fact that I wasn’t trying to actually policy you and make up some crap about how I perceive you when playing together, and pins that as why I pushed you for the greater half of day1, which is just a flat out lie. I don’t see the reason for town anyone to misrepresent something I clarified about and then disseminate false information. It wasn’t even a mistake of misreading my filter, it was pulled out of thin air. Yet, what is conversion reaction at that phase. On June 26 2018 21:38 Conversion wrote: I’m peeved Mocsta acknowledged I was “making hits” and didn’t answer my question. CopCake randomly townreading me (though the screen touching joke was funny) bothers me Calix not answering why she voted HF bothers me Nothing substantial yet. CopCake feels town even though she randoy townread peopl earlier but I’d want to mull on it a bit more Which is related to this: On June 26 2018 10:17 Holyflare wrote: We should be lynch ticktock though. On June 26 2018 10:19 Mocsta wrote: im not against this either On June 26 2018 11:49 Conversion wrote: why and you call me shallow? jeez | ||
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I feel like im trying to create linkages to suit my outcome, which probably means im wrong. BUT... what i will say is, going through conversion made me specifcally look through shockeyy because converision asks him at one point why tictock over calix. Im still going through the filter, but the stuff i was looking for... .man. that mofo is town as. just sweet and direct and with impact. so..im back to square-1. in my certainly-town world (Holyflare, rayn, CopCake) in my I-assume-to-be-town world (Shockeyy, conversion) in my prioritise-evaluation pile (Calix, tictock) in my No-fucknig-idea (koshi, Slender) ticktock has shifted to re-evalute because of shockeyy. Once i digest the content I will have a better idea of where i sit. Calix. i havent read much of what she was written she since had the copcake case. I think its time i stop giving her a free town read for reaction and read the content. meh.. in short, im a sheep this cycle. anwaysy, i will spoiler what i was writing about b4 just in case you think i was bullshitting. but its probably not relevant + Show Spoiler + actions do lie, especially when you are aware of the outcome before others. im going to summarise my perspective of what you are saying: Conversion position: Shock=TT >Vivax>Calix>Koshi via #517 Mildly amusing in between this (and note its to his scum-read about his scum-read) On June 26 2018 22:40 ShoCkeyy wrote: I go to dinner, sleep, get ready for work, get my day started, visit TL, see 13 pages, type this response, close TL, be back later to read walls of text T_T On June 27 2018 01:39 Conversion wrote: Actually it might be a tossup between him and ShoCkeyy for the worst entrances in this game why even post this On June 27 2018 22:21 Conversion wrote: Is this a manufactured dumb mechanics thing from Shock? I highly doubt a dude who has played mafia here before honestly thinks mafia getting 3 KP in one night is balanced. at all On June 27 2018 22:49 Calix wrote: [...] So I'm just going with ShoCkeyy/ Vivax/ ??? for my current scum reads. I'd like some thoughts on ShoCkeyy/ Calix from the rest of the thread please. On June 27 2018 22:59 Conversion wrote: I recall having the same frustrations with Shock making posts that never seemed town, and he ended up being town, in a game I played with him. I’ll metacheck that when I’m at a computer The voting block is deceiving because there are lots of errors in it & came about very infrequently. I will make the assumption that people were too lazy to count what the actuals were, and went off the host counts. Keep in mind Conversion position from above, and that prior to this he was trolling with a HF vote. On June 28 2018 01:14 Tictock wrote: ##Vote: ShoCkeyy On June 28 2018 01:18 Conversion wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote:Tictock On June 28 2018 02:59 ShoCkeyy wrote: ##Vote:Tictock At this point, surely Conversion has to be suspicious that his scum-reads are voting each other, which to his credit there is some "follow-through" On June 28 2018 03:15 Conversion wrote: Tictock why aren't you talking with me Shockeyy why do you scumread TT over Calix On June 28 2018 03:19 Conversion wrote: Let me reword that-- Shockeyy why do you want to lynch Tictock OVER Calix regardless if bother are scum or not? I feel like the general vibe that I felt from you was that Calix was your read On June 28 2018 08:17 Tubesock wrote: Final Day 1 Vote Count Tictock[3]: ShoCkeyy[4]: Calix[0]: boxerfred[5]:boxerfred, Holyflare Holyflare[0]: Regfan[0]: Koshi[0]: TheSlenderMan[1]:TheSlenderMan CopCake[0]: Vivax[0]: raynpelikoneet [0]: Boxerfred has been lynched. I dont know why you arent considering a world where boxerfred & shockeyy are town. imagine that, scum can choose whatever wagon they want without risk... | ||
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i dont like this, whether i was still anti-conversion or not. the votes were so unpredictable at that point. (a) there was EoD wagons forming like boxer (b) the vote counts were rarely updated and had errors.. there was no certainty but i dont like this because you are insinuating that with 1 minute to spare there is enough time to reload the page, see the change, process what needs to happen to save whomeever, and then type the vote. thats a buttload, and then yuo have different internet speeds.. basically the 1min separate could be considered logging at the same time. the other factor is that philosophically, smoe ppl are just simply opposed to voting an afk lurker. town, perhaps because they wish it wouldnt happen to them; or morals or whatever scum, perhaps because they feel they will cop limelight they dont want, or whatever. like im not gonig to call someone scum because they didnt want to vote boxerfred, and definitely not because of something that happened 1min in sequence. where im getting it is that such a simple thing debunks that whole post.. im not really sure what the point was other than, here, rayn wants me off the island, now here is another plattter to choose. | ||
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ok, noted you have expressed that, and i have finally reached the same conclusion but, i havent asked you anything? i was merely putting my position out there having reevaluated on conversion for me, as above, mafia is 3 out of (koshi/slender/calix/tictock). without diving any of them, i feel tictock is likely town; which leaves koshi/slender/calix if that is the case, i applaud calix for toughing it out. and would also go someway to support my personal feelings that majority of the game is town not sure if the NK support a solo mafia though. who knows maybe vivax was a blue snipe, especially if mafia hve an RB. Speaking of that, its not even clear if we get notifications. To me its inferred there is none as there is no successful block notice tot he RB. | ||
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On June 29 2018 14:37 CopCake wrote: i dont really know what else to say to you.The problem here is that some people decided not to bote for their reads and vivax derped hard. The problem is also you not voting for shockey. I am sorry once again, but you dont voting dor your mafia read is strange. This come again with: Did you not want shockey lynched because it would clear me, rayn, etc or not? (If town) Would his death put a red light (if mafia) to Calix, yourself, etc. I cant believe people picked an afk over a read -____- it was a real issue to me that rayn got pissed at regfan, and im over it. im not the only one that voted boxerfred.. like, why arent you doing this to holyflare. I tried to vote all my reads before going to boxer.. like, i just dont get what your problem is. we just keep doing the same dance over and over again, im trying to talk to you in a different way and you are being a brick-wall about this. | ||
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On June 29 2018 17:00 Calix wrote: one vote one focusI already think ShoCkeyy is mafia. I'm not sure whether you're mafia. Why is that strange? You are diluting It is odd even with shift work | ||
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The question is the motivation which i dont think you covered Tldr. Im not seeing why this cant be town | ||
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On June 27 2018 21:43 ShoCkeyy wrote: good postI think Vivax is town, after reading convos between Tictock and Calix... Who btw barely even talk to each other in the thread other than "I didn't like your case against Cake". It stars with Calix here: What I've found in past games is that afkers are usually town, and away, since they don't have a huge role in the game, they tend to just sit back, watch, and post when needed. And also honestly, I've notice way more mafia trying to lynch into afk towns, than anything. I would understand the afkers too because I thought the game was starting Tuesday. Not Monday night, so I had to play a large catch up as part of it. here Calix still trying to put blame on afker's, low post count trying to lynch them off, or Vivax, who is starting to look more town after each post because of the interactions between Tictock and Calix. Then tictock's reasoning of not "voting for Cilax" Possibly lynching off a teammate d1 won't work for him, so yea let's go for the afkers or Vivax the well known town... | ||
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On June 28 2018 01:24 ShoCkeyy wrote: hmmm another good post i suspectSays this 8 mins ago, votes for me 4 mins ago, so what made you come to the conclusion of voting for me? Was it because I've been calling Calix out? Or you out? | ||
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On June 28 2018 04:03 ShoCkeyy wrote: supa town post btwI don't care why you may think I'm more mafia, but what is making you think TT maybe town? | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:15 ShoCkeyy wrote: this actually makes sense from his perspectiveSo mocsta comes back, and within 5 mins already votes for me, cool, this guy reads... mafia qt. At the time i didnt know cos this was the first post i saw of him Deffo town ##vote: calix | ||
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Like i suppose he hasnt been complete dog with a bome this gamr and im still surprised he dropped his scum read on me but thats about it on the negatives for me | ||
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On June 29 2018 22:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: I didn't basically read anything he wrote after that very terrible opening in the last game he was mafia in so i can't tell. What was the game I will try to have a read Having said that. I was looking through cc filter for the hf case she mentions and seen anlotbof stuff about tt emotiin appeals to save calix which i wasnt aware of. Tt makes more sense to me than hf. Esp with shockeyy points | ||
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Actually if shoxkeyy is onto bith buddies in calix and tt. Boxer is distancing himself from a scum all in Its a possibility | ||
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On June 28 2018 00:52 Holyflare wrote: lol....I would lynch tt in a heartbeat btw. Pretty confident he's mafia. Just putting that out there for future shenanigans. | ||
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On June 28 2018 02:35 Holyflare wrote: my god.... is this a qt scum slip....When did I ever say there was one vote difference? Wtf? | ||
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On June 29 2018 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta i wanna ask you something. Read TT's filter and tell me what do you see or find interesting. Ok will do. I will say hf filter this game doesnt flow the same to me as elementary BUT the circusmtances of the game may be very different if scum buddy calix was early pinged. I stopped at the potential qt scum slip post.. but its odd how much he is skirting around calix and tt being scum .. i have no idea how he got to boxerfred.. im a bit puzzled to be honest. Will do tt now | ||
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On June 29 2018 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dislike the comment from HF, the starting one. very much. Regfan was always town for dick move analysis after his outburst on me. Always. Its more than that.... Calix is talking about vote counts which is never mentioned in the thread Like its a fredudian slip from calix. Legit. Now you could say she just did a count so was thinking about it..but it comes out so natutal as if HF had done the count for her | ||
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On June 27 2018 00:35 Tictock wrote: Not a fan of Calix's case on Cake. Partially kus I think Cake is almost lock town for me. Her points feel more nitpickey than insightful though, like she isn't sure how or what to address in the game. Her first point is weak as both Town and Mafia can ask weak questions, and I disagree that Cake hasn't done anything to advance the game. She has clearly given her own opinions and seems to be openly weighing in on things. I think I need Calix to give better examples of what she means by Cake making excuses for others kus I don't know what she is referring too. The pointing out inactives stuff is weak as well. I've seen both mafia and town do this so it is not very AI. The point would be stronger if that was ALL cake had posted, but it is far from the only thought Cake has presented so I find this pretty underwhelming. Kinda disappointed, I think Calix likely rolled mafia this game and is struggling with her time constraints. Was hoping to play with her as town. Bottom line sounds truthful Feels emotional I do comments like that as scum quite often | ||
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On June 27 2018 00:41 Tictock wrote: i always thought this was an overreaction from ttYou guys should stop trying to call me mafia, I already told you I'm unlynchable this game. Unfortunately I'm getting too distracted with this game and need to actually work, so will have to finish catching up later. It is defi itely standing out for me now | ||
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On June 27 2018 05:15 Tictock wrote: ooo i see now. Thats all it tookDon't take it as that, I'm just going gung-ho with my initial reads this game rather than being a tad passive in the early stages. Always open to re-evaluation. As such, while nothing has stood out to me as clearly Town!Calix I no longer think you are lock scum. Though it's just me being swayed by tone more than anything specific really. I think I am going with the strategy of building a solid group of people I think are town and sorting out the Mafia from the remainder this phase. Right now I think my town list is Rayn, Cake, Mocsta, and I'm probably going to add HF and Conversion but am less sure about them atm (though I'm pretty unlikely to want to lynch them today regardless). | ||
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On June 27 2018 06:53 Tictock wrote: not a good post in hindsight either from ttMostly kus you keep questioning why people townread you, seems like an odd thing to do as mafia. The rest of your play I could go either way about. I seem to recall you having a decent mafia game, and in general I have little experience playing with you. Based on my instinct though you are pretty likely to be town here, I just have very little reason to back that up. | ||
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I can see a world of hf/calix/tt But i really need to read those missing 20p near end of day1 to understand how they went from disyancing to saving each ither. Doeant make sense But i suppose in thaf last game when kita and iamp were up for lynch i just went yolo Perhaps yolo for calix is.. i will try tl save tt and it might come across as too scummy to be scum | ||
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On June 27 2018 13:50 Tictock wrote: i always thought his 180 flip kn me was weirdYea it was these couple of posts. This town read makes absolutely no sense to me. I get that I am probably a little tunneled on Reg myself, possibly even just due to the Hydra thing, but this feels super forced. & Post #426, his Calix case, which kept breaking my post for some reason. It feels off how Mocsta is presenting these things from basically the begging of the game like he just discovered them. I could maybe see the first one but the second post about Calix's 3rd post feels more like something he dug up and realized he could write a whole bunch about it. The post about Calix especially bugs me kus I brought this up withing the first few hours of the game, and eventually dismissed it as being rather flimsy. Mocsta was definitely around then, but had no reaction so it is so weird he is taking such emphasis with it now. Idk, those posts gave me weird vibes when I read them and so I took a quick glance through Mocsta's filter. Everything just felt so flippant in his posts up until the last few hours, then suddenly a bunch of effort posts, a fairly shitty list post, and this "case" on Calix. By flippant here I mean there is no clear reads or direction in his posting. Feels like he suddenly decided to put out the effort. There is a bit more, but I don't feel like writing a full essay here. And I already put it so eloquently in my last post. ... Oh actually I did almost forget one thing. Calix was 100% right about this, my memory was faulty and I was getting Mocsta mixed up with Grack in This game. It's odd that Mocsta would have had no clue what I was talking about but still replied "yea that one." I would be willing to write this point off as whatever since it doesn't scream mafia, but you should remember Mocsta keeps using his meta as a basis to read me. So the fact he is so blase about which game we last played in is super off. + Show Spoiler + Side note: In the last game he was actually referring too, now that I remember, there was like 5 blues. I was rolecop and he was Vig. So the fact that I was doubtful of the claim does not represent the true extent of my ability to crazy tunnel. But with the calix association.. well.. much more sense now | ||
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On June 27 2018 14:00 Tictock wrote: I think I am also just pretty against lynching Calix today. I still a bit of sus on her, but her play as the day has gone on has left me feeling like their is a solid chance she could be town here still. Even if I was still toying with the idea of Calix being in my working Mafia team (which is purely just to keep my imagination going, I don't actually think I have a good chance at pinging the entire team D1), I would probably advocate against her lynch today as she is a bad player to lynch D1. Honestly I really want to push town to do the smart thing for once D1 and kill off someone like Shokey or Koshi. Boxer deserves something worse than a lynch for signing up with an exclamation right before the game starts then not posting for most of D1 (assuming he does post and nothing truly terrible happened to him). I also think Vivax is probably a fine lynch, and want more people to relook at Mocsta again since he's fresh on my mind now. Oihb wow... this is heinous in hindsight. My god Its amazing how differently thr game unfolds on a reread I havent really experienced this before lol Always reacion fishing | ||
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On June 27 2018 14:40 Tictock wrote: middle parapragh is important.I am concerned Calix is a mislynch, but only factor in how that would be bad for town. How would it make me look bad? More to the point here, why would I as mafia stick my neck out to 180 when I've clearly done some legwork to have a perfectly valid reason to push Calix here? These are the little snips that will get me to scumread you, it's hedging at it's finest. You are overall suggesting you think I am town but throw this bit in like you need to keep a line of reasoning that I am mafia. Tt states he has legwork to lynch calix if wanted But everything before is that calix is town and calibhr to not lynch Yes. Filter dive is done Calix/tt/ and hf | ||
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On June 29 2018 23:40 CopCake wrote: Rayn, what are you doing? Clearing HF? Dotting is and crossing ts I think its good as a backup I really think calix qt slipped with hf though | ||
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Its definitely a weird game Hf Before the modkill why did you say calix xould still be scum without tt? | ||
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Malleable if someone comes up ejth someyhing better is called lack of ego And its town as fuck | ||
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On June 30 2018 09:51 CopCake wrote: wtfI can only lynch HF or mocsta Calix, the same way you ask us to think in worlds in which you are town, I want you to think who are the mafia from the info you have from the past days. Why me? Like if there was no medic claim i could easily lynch you + rayn as well You are the most obnoxious player i have seen in a long time | ||
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You had no scum reads b4 tt was modkilled Where are u now? | ||
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Can calix and shockey ever be on the same team?? | ||
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Why was shockeyy town... just the dumbtell which later was apparently bait? Disregard my posts yesterday as i was associating tt as scum. Why is shockeyy town now?? | ||
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like if conversion and others think i am, surely, i should be in your pile? | ||
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On June 30 2018 16:56 Mocsta wrote: and this one too please.And hf Can calix and shockey ever be on the same team?? | ||
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On June 30 2018 17:28 Calix wrote: ssshhhsssss.And why am I now mafia after you wrote a bunch of posts about how townie I am? Do not like. im considering you could be town. | ||
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which is ~50% of the vote. For me, the lynch which gives us the most INFO and resolutions is calix vs shockeey. Without this, i think we will still be at each others necks tomorrow. Without the TT modkill i was 100% calix.. now im not so sure shockee filter is pretty much tunnel vision. 1 iffy town read on vivax, and the rest is blinkers non-stop and using others cases as a push. ##Unvote | ||
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On June 30 2018 17:38 Calix wrote: yeah im ashamed to sayDid you not make lots of posts where you called a bunch of ShoCkeyy posts townie? Can you walk me through how your thoughts have changed since the last filter dive and now? But it was all associayion reads on tt being mafia. So i got horny on this guy being on point. Now tt is town. His filter is reduced to never evaluating anything outside that. Rubbish for halfway through day2 Thats the phone tldr I also never liked him extending his calix case by referencing me plus rayn. When noone liked my case | ||
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And im never available for the 8hrs before lynch Can you please help me out and link the relevant posts you want me to read through | ||
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On June 30 2018 18:06 Calix wrote: And Mocsta, how have you not realised that you can't unvote without having a new target to vote? lol Doesnt it jusr go back to me? | ||
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Without that. I need to dive conversion to see what ither posts occured. Like. J didnt interpret him to use the unlyncahble thing tk get back on tt It read to me like he was responding to someone I have noted to check though tmwhether both conversion and holyflare stated shcokeey was town after the d1 flip. | ||
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I dint find it a bad case but i do find it association based Will go through filter soon | ||
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If you believe the medic claim. That line of reasoning is silly Btw i think rayn is vig that held shot and reaction fished hf Meh. Irrelevant | ||
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On June 30 2018 17:26 Mocsta wrote: for hf againwhy am i not scum? like if conversion and others think i am, surely, i should be in your pile? | ||
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On June 30 2018 19:32 Holyflare wrote: so put yourself jn conversion world.Your reactions seem genuinely offended rather than fake offended. You're still trying to salvage some sort of game and ask questions. That's the reason I'm not scum reading you currently. Is it acceptable to throw my name around as a lynch option. And if calix/shockee arent a pair If calix is lynched as mafia. Does this indicate a team? If shockee is lynched as mafia. Does this lock conversion? | ||
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On June 30 2018 19:54 Koshi wrote: but the last 3 pages is more than a case on conversion.Gimme time. I am discussing the book sapiens with gf while reading this. Brain overload. I think I can vote Calix after reading filter last 3 pages. Not convinced on Shockey or Conversion being mafia based on her filter alone. And I can sense when somebody is mafia from somebody else their filter U know tt flipped town? I believe calix was top lynch on d1 and tryed to stop a tt wagon?? I await your dive on shockee. I have about 2 hrs before i duck off. Then im not back till after lynch. I need as much as info by thrn as my vote will be my final. | ||
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On June 30 2018 19:56 Calix wrote: yes that was legit point i thought beforeHis TT posts ARE terrible though and don't look like a townie with a legitimate scum read or progression on him. Check his filter for yourself and tell me he actually believes what he's saying about TT. Go on, I'll wait. In the meantime, I will draw more attention to this: To anyone reading this, think about why someone might want to add a sentence that says "I'm pretty sure I used this reasoning before to scum-read someone." | ||
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On June 26 2018 16:06 Calix wrote: i would like another opinion on my observationBecause I can. But I've changed my mind. ##Vote: CopCake Two reasons for this: 1) Asks stupid questions. This is self-explanatory. She hasn't asked anything that would actually advance the game forward. But they are questions you make when you want to LOOK like you're doing things. 2) Makes excuses for way too many players in way too short a time period which she is probably doing because she has TMI and knows that the players are being genuine. I'll try and explain the part that first made me suspicious. The several posts she made where she claimed Regfan's post was a joke would seemingly imply that Regfan's post isn't AI (since it's just a joke). But then she says this: This stood out to me because in the same sentence, she says it's a joke ('probably tried to be funny') but then also gives reasoning that implies Regfan is town for 'putting effort into claiming seer when there is a real seer'. I do not understand how she concludes that a 'meme' or 'joke post' makes someone town just because they put a lot of effort into it. Especially when she says straight afterwards that it is "probably a meme". The thought process seems a bit inconsistent here. A lot of her posts either make excuses for players or town-read them a bit too easily for my liking. I think it's because she knows they're town and thus KNOWS they're genuine. Here are some examples of where I got this impression: + Show Spoiler + On June 26 2018 10:44 CopCake wrote: He had the same thinking process as me - I have free time but no one will do shit - Actually I will try to do work - Oh look, a silly post by regfan, it is the more interesting shit but is not worth. On June 26 2018 11:53 CopCake wrote: I literally touch my screen, close my eyes and try to read your aura. Yours is green. On June 26 2018 12:20 CopCake wrote: Nah, Mocsta question about why I asked that makes a lot of sense. It doesnt bother me at all, in fact it is pretty townie. On June 26 2018 12:28 CopCake wrote: Yeah it leans mafia, well not exactly how different gemma/reg are but the mini case of you seemed out of place. I do think your question was reasonable from someone who doesnt know how close rayn and me are ^^ so dont worry there. I also hated these posts. We have this super-analytical start to the game, CopCake is in the thread as all this stuff is going down, and all she really wants to do is talk about inactives and defend people. In conclusion, CopCake's early game and her attempts to hide how she isn't pushing the game forward is more likely to come from mafia than town. In other news, I've only skim-read the thread and haven't filtered anyone but CopCake. I didn't understand raynpelikoneet's wall-posts on me or how anything he said makes me scummy, not gonna lie. Mocsta seems townie to me but the main reason I say this is because he's posting differently from his last game (where he was mafia). His tone seems more natural and carefree to me and I don't get the impression he's pushing any kind of agenda. I haven't properly read the cases put forth by HF, Regfan, Mocsta, rayn, whatever, so no opinion on those until I reread. This presents very similar to calix case on conversion By this i mean the flow of thoughts and the emphasised conclusions. I think its relevant as one case was written with no pressure and the other as a wagon. Yet her mindset is consisteny = honest / pure. I realise i am referring to 2 posts in a 12 page but i do find this observation to strongly favour town mindset. | ||
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On June 27 2018 23:49 Calix wrote: sigh this is legit about hfTalking to me? I am assuming you're asking why I'm not calling you mafia despite your play somewhat matching what I think mafia does, I don't think you not doing much on D1 means anything other than you being busy because you're more than capable of curb-stomping the thread towards my mislynch if you really wanted to. I haven't properly read your filter but I remember one moment where it looked like you were preparing to attack Mocsta and then you saw a post from him and said "nah" and it looked kinda townie to me. Because you gave yourself the opportunity to go after someone and try and get them lynched while disturbing the 'town circle' and looking like you're doing something. And you didn't take it. Also because you're not D1 lynch material and you haven't really done anything scummy to make me change my mind so I'm fine to let you do whatever for the time being. So yeah. Like as mafia he really had no need to drop his read on me No need at all I still would have thought he would be biting onto something at this point of the game though. | ||
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On June 28 2018 01:54 Calix wrote: IMPORTANT postI'm not a god-tier mafia player though, lol. I don't know how TT has that impression of me. I don't want to lynch TT and don't like how that might become an alternative to myself + Show Spoiler + (this is based on my impressions of the thread: I actually have no idea who is the lynch right now) If one of the people scum-reading him wants to explain why he's mafia or make an actual case instead of unremarkable one-liners then I'll try hearing you out. But right now, no way. I think this stems as the core of the whole tt/calix team But with tt town. Read this post carefully I have read calix d1 filter carefully and her position is ABSOLUTELY consistent and predictable. calix. Welcome to my town circle | ||
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On June 30 2018 21:23 Holyflare wrote: can you please review the posts and conclusion i made on calixI should be the easiest mislynch to push, dunno why nobody is pushing it hard. I would like your opinion | ||
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How does conversion work if you believe shockee is town? Like maybe i shouldnt rely on heuristics at eod2 but if copcake was scum. I expect rayn to have clued in by now. And frankly. I find her too polarising ti be scum. Bkg committment to do that thrkughtout the whole game. | ||
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On June 30 2018 21:14 Koshi wrote: .....There is nothing in Shockeys filter that makes him mafia. Maybe it is too clean.. blah blah. He makes a lot of posts that solely imply he is town though. Saw like 4 of them easily. Who is lynch nr 3? Reads like a town lean to me | ||
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On June 30 2018 22:18 Koshi wrote: im not going to be around lynchWhy wouldnt it work? And I do not believe shockey is town. His filter is just okay. But conversion filter is way worse. Dont say things I never said. Why you people do this I will never understand. Shockey and conversion are 2 different playerd who both can be mafia or town. The only persons who cannot be mafia together are Calix and Shockeyy. Or they are insanely bussing. Which is possible. Because everything is possible. Vote people who have highest chamce to be mafia and go from there = thx My focus is to put a vote on whom i think is scum and whom will get traction I refuse to vote calix and could do 1 of shockee or conversion. My preferred was shockee cos i think it clears calix and should make game easier to resolve | ||
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On June 30 2018 22:28 CopCake wrote: regardless, its disappointing you havrnt reevaluated your position on conversion.Dude it is 6:28 here, I was having breakfast. And Koshi are you saying I am mafia, right? We know tt and boxer were town. Calix is likely town. So whats the big deal concersion didnt want to swap. He was on town lynch no matter what. Again this highlights shockeey for me. | ||
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Like the conversion vote is only scummy if shockee is town which fucks up all my pairings Actual On June 28 2018 08:17 Tubesock wrote: Final Day 1 Vote Count Tictock[3]: ShoCkeyy[4]: Calix[0]: boxerfred[5]:boxerfred, Holyflare Holyflare[0]: Regfan[0]: Koshi[0]: TheSlenderMan[1]:TheSlenderMan CopCake[0]: Vivax[0]: raynpelikoneet [0]: Boxerfred has been lynched. Edit for my world On June 28 2018 08:17 Tubesock wrote: i find it so hard to believe that copcake is townFinal Day 1 Vote Count Tictock[3]: ShoCkeyy[4]: Calix[0]: boxerfred[5]:boxerfred, Holyflare Holyflare[0]: Regfan[0]: Koshi[0]: TheSlenderMan[1]:TheSlenderMan CopCake[0]: Vivax[0]: raynpelikoneet [0]: Boxerfred has been lynched. Voting tells me Shoxkee is town Concersion koshi holyflare is mafia | ||
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However calix is absolutely lock town for me going forward which is whh i coliured her green Maybe it is as simple as TSM is the 3rd scum because teams just seem odd | ||
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If convo scum and shoxk toen. The hammer makes nk sense as all wagons were town and he didnt have to move | ||
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On June 28 2018 08:17 Tubesock wrote: Final Day 1 Vote Count Tictock[3]: ShoCkeyy[4]: Calix[0]: boxerfred[5]:boxerfred, Holyflare Holyflare[0]: Regfan[0]: Koshi[0]: TheSlenderMan[1]:TheSlenderMan CopCake[0]: Vivax[0]: raynpelikoneet [0]: Boxerfred has been lynched. | ||
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On June 30 2018 23:19 Conversion wrote: I don’t understand why people are focusing on me switching from TT to shockeyy and not the 4 people who switched to an irrelevant noinfo lynch and looking for scum there. does everyone here seriously think that was a pure town wagon? At least 3 of the 4 voters i bekieve is town I said my reasons. I cant help it yoy are so (personally) against it | ||
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On June 30 2018 23:24 CopCake wrote: actually.I take more in consideration actions than words tbh. I cant see a mafia last minute voting shockey if they see that boxerfred is getting majority and there is no way mafia would know vivax voted last second. I am gonna re check that and see the order of the last 4 votes to be pretty and absolutly clear of that in case I am missing another possible universe. I feel like a clumsy dr. Strange. The only benefit as sfum would be so he can shit on the boxerfred wagon. This ONLY is possible if shockee is town Ironically this is what convo has been doing though | ||
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On June 30 2018 23:25 CopCake wrote: i dont want to believe it but i dont see what other choixes there areIf you believe this then HF is mafia with this comment? It is really annoying TSM acknowledged he knew about the game and would come back and hasnt Not annoying because it blocks finding scum but it makea the team combos frustrating | ||
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On June 30 2018 23:29 Conversion wrote: it doesntI’ve been shitting on the wagon as did town!Regfan because it was bad and I seriously doubt that a pure town wagon believes that lynching an AFK townie is better than clearing up reads from certain people (TT/shockeyy being mafia). Why does this make me scum? I more commented it was the only scenario possible in my eyes and its gearing up thatt shockee may be town. Im gonns chrck that d1 koshi vote on shockee. Brb | ||
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This post still annoys me B4 that the only thing on tt is On June 27 2018 23:10 Koshi wrote: Ended up reading TT and think we should vote Vivax over Calix. I'll still follow rayn but Vivax looks worse from what I read. | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:16 Koshi wrote: Reading schockeyy I am ok with him dieing over TT. The betrayel is real but schockeyy is either bad town or mafia. TT is actually playing. ##unvote Vote schockeyy D2 On June 30 2018 21:14 Koshi wrote: There is nothing in Shockeys filter that makes him mafia. Maybe it is too clean.. blah blah. He makes a lot of posts that solely imply he is town though. Saw like 4 of them easily. Who is lynch nr 3? | ||
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On June 30 2018 23:39 CopCake wrote: Mocsta Who do you want to lynch? Koshi > hf = shockee One problem i have with scum koshi is why noy keep town shock as a mislynch this cycle | ||
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Thats my preference but will sheeo yoy for consolidation. Where to? | ||
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And i go to bed I highly doubt i will be here at deadline ##vote: holyflare | ||
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But day1 man.. cant change that Hey btw. Ehat scum game i have lmayed eith you were my reads fluctuate so much... | ||
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Please read after my lynch 1. You are in lylo tomorrow 2. Calix rayn and copcake is still my town circle 3. I think i raised good points why calix is town. This save tt stuff calix is on about is not right. If you ignore actual and go off host count, the only way she could save tt is by evening the numbers kn a countwrwagon which is boxerfred 4. Read hf case on me once im dead and you can trust me. Its just pointing out inconsistencies and does not link scum agenda at all. Thjs is not normal for hf who cases me every game. He has taken advantage that i woukd not be around. Hf is scum #1p | ||
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Phone slipped Thats where im at Hf is scum for because game has devolved since boxerfred lynch Hf was there near eod1 when i asked for catch up and did nothing which is so uncharacteristic for him Im suspecting shockee is scum ehich is why hf created boxer xounter. He was prob never jntending to stay on it but the opportunity fell his way nrcause of me. This cleara conversiin who is the inky person i am ok with to gote me. I mean all game hf has been hesitant to call me mafia. Nkw im afk and strikes. So hf / shockee and i wont bother #3 as slendy hasnt posted. Guys good luck Im disappointed i xouldnt stick to bow i played thr furst 24hrs. I never caught up from eod2 and should have stopped posting. Sorry. In some ways i derserve the mislynch. Vote hf or shockee next pls. Gonna enjoy time with the kids now. Bye | ||
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On July 01 2018 07:24 Holyflare wrote: i meant copcakeI also think there's a massive disconnect between your point 2 and 3. Why are you saying Calix is your town circle but then shitting all over her points about saving TT? Thanks for clarifixationl | ||
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On June 30 2018 20:57 Mocsta wrote: pls dont forget about thisIMPORTANT post I think this stems as the core of the whole tt/calix team But with tt town. Read this post carefully I have read calix d1 filter carefully and her position is ABSOLUTELY consistent and predictable. calix. Welcome to my town circle | ||
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On July 01 2018 07:32 Holyflare wrote: i could say the same to youWhy did you vote me today after you called me town Mocsta? My preference was koshi Now its you. Anyways thats my final post Good luck town | ||
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On July 01 2018 07:32 Holyflare wrote: What did you expect me to do after that? Are my points on you wrong? Lol teasing me for 1 more I didnt read it constructively because its wrong by default But it was pointing out 10 or so posts with public inconsistrncies. Guess what. Thats what im known for as town. I need to talk to people to establish my reads. And when no one talks back to me the outcomr is paranoia and lack of firm ground. I see no point arguing this 30min before lynch because ppl seem to think scum play this style when its simply way too hard to have the confidence tk do that all game. I made it clear i wouldnt be around before lynch so had to sheep. You alk get the luxury ro debate 6hrs befoee tk reach consensus. Itsna clear disadvantage as any allignmrnt. Anyways. Peace out All please read my fjnal posts after flip. | ||
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On July 01 2018 07:27 Mocsta wrote: dont forgetBugger wasnt meant to post Phone slipped Thats where im at Hf is scum for because game has devolved since boxerfred lynch Hf was there near eod1 when i asked for catch up and did nothing which is so uncharacteristic for him Im suspecting shockee is scum ehich is why hf created boxer xounter. He was prob never jntending to stay on it but the opportunity fell his way nrcause of me. This cleara conversiin who is the inky person i am ok with to gote me. I mean all game hf has been hesitant to call me mafia. Nkw im afk and strikes. So hf / shockee and i wont bother #3 as slendy hasnt posted. Guys good luck Im disappointed i xouldnt stick to bow i played thr furst 24hrs. I never caught up from eod2 and should have stopped posting. Sorry. In some ways i derserve the mislynch. Vote hf or shockee next pls. Gonna enjoy time with the kids now. Bye And dont forget about koshi Now byebye | ||
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On July 04 2018 08:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: nah, he played within what town allowed.No, these fucking no-shows should be modkilled on D1. It ruins the game. boxerfred was 100% town lynch, and the surivors all copped shit for it. town needs to be stricter instead of say modkill when playerpool available is already barely enough for a 13p liek. you started off really well and as soon as you medic claimed progressively played less and less but with more and more tunnel. I unashamedly called you scum in the obs qt for it. | ||
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On July 04 2018 08:35 Tictock wrote: Sorry to see you go, please take me with you!!Personally I thought it was clear why I modkilled myself. I realized I could never be as good as Rayn. I don’t think I could ever be so totally wrong for an entire game and then shit on everyone else when I find out I am wrong. Clearly that is a level of skill not meant for meat mortals to compete with. Sadly I will just have to live with that as I was serious about never playing here again. And just in case there is any confusion, I am not tying to take any moral high ground here. My actions were completely shitty and against any spirit of the game. But what is the point in playing with people who have no interest in anything that challenges their own viewpoint and just shit on or ignore anything they disagree with? And I am not talking about any one person anymore. Now I will stop posting as I have a fair idea what sort of reactions this post will get and I don’t really want to shitfight with anyone. But yes, no point playing if you aren't getting anything out of it. Good luck with what you choose to do next. | ||
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On June 28 2018 11:10 Mocsta wrote: Please remember You guys should take a break, breathe deep and read the content before firing. CopCake is saying I am super bad.. not yo Calix. No need to wring each others necks. I think we are all town here. *i want to cry now* | ||
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On July 04 2018 08:38 ShoCkeyy wrote: My personal opinion is that if Rayn didnt stick up for you on D1 you would have been lynched.I'm just happy i made it all the way to endgame lmao, how was my general level of play based on the mafia QT as well? I think I was reading the town and their actions decently. The rest then doesn't matter. | ||
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Very mafia first post shock 06-26-2018 09:57 AM ET (US) i got completely ignored on my opening post. They're really at each others necks right now.Edited 06-26-2018 09:57 AM 4 shock 06-26-2018 08:56 AM ET (US) seems like were already doing well... none of us have posted, and theyre up to their necks already lmao On June 27 2018 20:32 Mocsta wrote: ##Unvote I dunno if Calix is town, but I trust Regfan enough to relinquish my read. I would vote between Shockeyy and Koshi equally if Calix wont be wagon'd. Shockeyy cos that post shitting on town for being down each others throats is such a mafia style intro post. Koshi for reasons I mentioned prior. Will decide when i wake up. ciao. | ||
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On July 04 2018 08:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes, I agree (and forgot) that Slendy should have MK after D2 no vote.No Mocsta, hte people who do not play should be removed from the game by hosts. It is simply just unfun to other people when someone does not play. I asked Kelsier, and after this permission i sent two messages to Slendy throughout the game to remind him the game is on. Like if you can't play, or don't want to play, then ask to be replaced. He didn't vote D1, he didn't vote on D2, i don't think he even posted anything during those days other than something on N1. It is fucking disrespectful towards the game, i could understand a day phase, yes, but not like a WEEK. I am not even gonna go into TT and Regfan, just hand like 5 game bans or something. Well i don't care because Regfan is not gonna play here anymore and i am never going to go into a game with TT so whatever, maybe just pat TT on back like the thing here is nowadays. Don't care. I am just putting people who ruin the game on my black list, not that i even wanna think about playing a agame of mafia right now because this one was so fucking horrible on all fronts, including myself. D3 play was within acceptable limits (defined by town) given we was alive though. Even moreso because of the parity cop claim. like even though town was certain calix was scum, they had a duty and due dilligence to investigate the viability of the claim. I cant recall this occuring by anyone. | ||
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On July 04 2018 08:43 KelsierSC wrote: I will play in ya games, we all gotta start somewhereI'd like to say a few things about the game. Firstly I want to apologise for the general standard of moderation. It was my first time running a game and to put it mildly things did not go smoothly. My primary aim was to keep people having fun and playing the game, more recently games have been a lot quieter, people are busier in general and I wanted to follow the same concept as Calix so I wouldn't have to modkill anyone (hopefully). However the game didn't play out that way. In hindsight I should have absolutely modkilled TheSlenderMan after D2. The way he played would have been unacceptable in 99% of games on this site. My own inexperience and indecisiveness was at fault here. Not modkilling him definitely angered people and sapped any motivation from the town. Going forward if I host another game I would have stricter activity rules not use the self voting system that I used in this game, it is too easily abused. Thank you all who stayed with the game for not modkilling yourselves and putting in a tremendous amount of effort for the first few days. I hope going forward that you play in my games (and other mafia games on TL) and I will try to do better by you all Thanks and much appreciated. For me, the only grievance i had was the vote counting to be honest. Its really hard to make decisions when the vote count has errors in it and updated infrequently. The MK thing is neither here or there, every game has a problem that ppl get pissed about. I mean, in the newbie eariler this yaer. Koshi replced in on D3 lol Ppl will get over it. vote counts are permanent!! Thanks again and pleae dont be discouraged. | ||
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On July 04 2018 09:04 Regfan wrote: Hi,Mocsta, please please please please please please leave this site and never ever come back. I'm begging you, for your own good. Please don't stay and "learn" from these people. I am interested in playing with a different culture of people; however, you shouldnt discount TL mafia as each site has their pros/cons. I think i general TL mafia relies too much on T-minus 6hours from lynch to determine wagons which is mafia-aligned in my opinion. But that aside, I am a true believer we all can "learn" from our own mislynches, and people that we mislynch. This game showed no remorse for mislynches, which is a shame. However, that is partly because it devolved into 'lord of the flies' which is a human nature thing and can apply to any site if the right ingredients occur. I actually think this is a fascinating game that has potential to be stickied. Mafia did great and I will nominate them for an award. It truly takes a lot of self-control to post the bare minimum; especially because that small quantity of post has potential to be heavily scrutinised. Its a shame you got MK out, because I think the game would have gone a different route if you were here. I look forward to play with you elsewhere in the future though! | ||
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From scum QT"Kill regfan" Thats genuinely annoying! | ||
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On July 01 2018 01:11 Holyflare wrote: + Show Spoiler [1] + On June 30 2018 20:53 Mocsta wrote: sigh this is legit about hf Like as mafia he really had no need to drop his read on me No need at all I still would have thought he would be biting onto something at this point of the game though. + Show Spoiler [2] + On June 30 2018 21:32 Mocsta wrote: can you please review the posts and conclusion i made on calix I would like your opinion + Show Spoiler [3] + On June 30 2018 22:23 Mocsta wrote: im not going to be around lynch My focus is to put a vote on whom i think is scum and whom will get traction I refuse to vote calix and could do 1 of shockee or conversion. My preferred was shockee cos i think it clears calix and should make game easier to resolve + Show Spoiler [4] + On June 30 2018 22:36 Mocsta wrote: regardless, its disappointing you havrnt reevaluated your position on conversion. We know tt and boxer were town. Calix is likely town. So whats the big deal concersion didnt want to swap. He was on town lynch no matter what. Again this highlights shockeey for me. + Show Spoiler [5] + On June 30 2018 22:58 Mocsta wrote: Im so confused i cant even sheep Like the conversion vote is only scummy if shockee is town which fucks up all my pairings Actual Edit for my world i find it so hard to believe that copcake is town Voting tells me Shoxkee is town Concersion koshi holyflare is mafia + Show Spoiler [6] + On June 30 2018 23:04 Mocsta wrote: Realisitically yoy are town in my eyes However calix is absolutely lock town for me going forward which is whh i coliured her green Maybe it is as simple as TSM is the 3rd scum because teams just seem odd + Show Spoiler [7] + On June 30 2018 23:16 Mocsta wrote: If shockee and convo scum. Its a stupid bus If convo scum and shoxk toen. The hammer makes nk sense as all wagons were town and he didnt have to move + Show Spoiler [8] + On June 30 2018 23:28 Mocsta wrote: actually. The only benefit as sfum would be so he can shit on the boxerfred wagon. This ONLY is possible if shockee is town Ironically this is what convo has been doing though + Show Spoiler [9] + On June 30 2018 23:31 Mocsta wrote: i dont want to believe it but i dont see what other choixes there are It is really annoying TSM acknowledged he knew about the game and would come back and hasnt Not annoying because it blocks finding scum but it makea the team combos frustrating + Show Spoiler [10] + On June 30 2018 23:37 Mocsta wrote: This post still annoys me B4 that the only thing on tt is + Show Spoiler [11] + + Show Spoiler [12] + On June 30 2018 23:41 Mocsta wrote: Koshi > hf = shockee One problem i have with scum koshi is why noy keep town shock as a mislynch this cycle + Show Spoiler [13] + On June 30 2018 23:42 Mocsta wrote: Im going to bed in 10 though and dont want to throw away my vote Thats my preference but will sheeo yoy for consolidation. Where to? + Show Spoiler [14] + On July 01 2018 00:17 Mocsta wrote: ok lets do it And i go to bed I highly doubt i will be here at deadline ##vote: holyflare 1. HF IS TOWN "Sigh, this is so town hf because no agenda!" 2. I want HF's opinion on these posts because I respect it and I just read him town. 3. I will vote who I think is mafia. Won't vote Calix, will vote shockeyy and conversion. Shockeyy preferably. 4. Shockeyy is mafia. Conversion's swap is no big deal. 5. Conversion is town. Conversion is only scummy if shockeyy is town. Voting tells me shockeyy is town and Koshi/HF/Conversion(????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????) is mafia. Can't also believe cop is town, looks mafia(??) 6. Cop is now town. Calix is lock town. Maybe slender is mafia. 7. Pointless logic loops. 8. Maybe if he's mafia he did it to shit on the bf wagon. Oh, wait, he did do that. 9. slenderman whining 10. Koshi correctly guessed TT's alignment and it bugs me. 11. These are not contentious points because they can both be applicable. 12. Koshi is now the biggest scum read with HF and Shockeyy being the next biggest???????? 13. Don't want to throw away my vote. I'll sheep copcake who I have complained about her logic the entire game and whined that none of her cases make sense. 14. Oh, yeah, I'll throw away my vote on holyflare who I have mentioned 0 times why he is mafia and even called him basically definitely town just 10 posts ago. Even though he has 0 votes. Just because copcake said so. Look at point 5. Then point 8. Point 5 gives Mocsta a mafia team of Conversion/Koshi/HF Point 8 he says points that would make Conversion mafia even though he just said votes make Conversion mafia. Point 12 says Koshi now somehow ends up being the biggest scum read WHEN KOSHI VOTED ON SHOCKEYY. I am also somehow on this list AFTER HE CALLED ME TOWN. If he doesn't acknowledge conversion is mafia because of votes then why the fuck do Koshi and I suddenly become mafia? The answer is because he changes his reads arbitrarily based on who he is talking to to blend in with sentiment. Do you remember what he said about 90% of cop's posts? That he couldn't follow them or they didn't make sense. Yet, who does he now sheep? You got it, Cop. Hi HF, now I know you are town I will do the courtesy of pointing out a couple reasons why this is invalid (besides role PM ;P) (1) You are referencing different conclusions presented as scummy; yet, fail to consider they are drawn from different sources (1 was my interpretation of VCA, and the other being my interpretation of in-thread events). (2) I can accept you taking issue with point 12 but thats not a reason to vote someone. Further, your evidence for point 11 clearly explains why point 12 is a vaid position by me to take. (3) As for sheeping cop, I made it abundantly clear I wouldnt be around before the lynch, and most likely during the lynch. The only reason I would be around deadlines on a weekend, is if the kids wake up early. Like 3am early. Again, I am under the most pressure out of anyone to place a vote that means something which should actually be town as fuck. In hindsight, its clear this is written from a tunneled perspective; but with my knowledge at the time, you had been calling me town all game (which is reversible to me as well) so this came across to me as fake. Lessons for both of us. | ||
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On July 04 2018 09:41 Calix wrote: In this game, some people should take blame for signing up with known future committments.On the matter of inactivity, I honestly don't think you can regulate for it. My old site used to be active with lots of engaged players. Then it slowly became more inactive until minimum posting, unexplained reads and the like became the norm. No amount of bans, rule changes, discussions, etc, changed this overall trend. I think the same thing is happening with TL Mafia where you're having the problem of "the playerbase is small so if the rules are too harsh then there won't be enough players because they would all be banned for inactivity/ bad behaviour. But if we don't punish people for those things then the bad quality of games will drive away players." If a solution exists to this problem then I have yet to find it. e.g. as town, would Koshi have posted more? I honestly hope not, enjoy that fuckn holiday dude and dont sign up. however, i think equally there are people that have genuine intent to play the game with a committment of 2hrs a day MAXIMUM. when you have people with 25page filter in a 13p game; you can barely read the thread with 2hrs, let alone form a decision opinino. If you inject those half-formed thoughts into the thread, you get shit on for being mafia ;P. This is a long winded way of saying , its not necessarily about post minimum, but having a post MAXIMUM Then town has to have the courage to lynch people that intentionally spam to the post maximum whilst delivering nothing of value. In some ways, I may prefer a game where the first 24hrs nominated 3 people for lynch. Then the second 24hrs forces a vote only within those 3 ( or no-lynch). Maybe I should host a theme game doing this? | ||
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The "dumb bitch" comment was directed at me, yet, I am also a recipient of being too nice for TL lol Which is it! For the record, I did apologise that the behaviour was not necessary or acceptable. On June 29 2018 12:47 Mocsta wrote: [..] its ok, i've calmed down somewhat. i do apologise for those outburts, not that it is acceptable in the first place. [..] You should play Adam and show us by example how to be more diplomatic. Perhaps in the game I may be hosting soon ;P | ||
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Perhaps you are not directly solely at me; however, if you were, I firmly believe being marginalized for that over other sins people occurring on each and every TL-mafia game is a rubbish position to take. | ||
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Haha thanks for compliment b4. You gonna critque my game concept in active games thread, please? I would like to start sign ups ASAP | ||
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On July 01 2018 07:55 Mocsta wrote: dont forget And dont forget about koshi Now byebye I wont claim this as anything given how quickly i disbanded it in the obsqt lolprob more out of butthurt haha | ||
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On July 05 2018 06:52 Holyflare wrote: Thats a legitimate point.It's also really annoying you said I played badly when my list post was 100% correct for my town reads after the BF lynch which you heavily criticised. Any read I wavered on was largely because you kept repeating I was trash and how correct you were. Rayn had town cred D1, and this was amplified on D2 because of the medic claim. As the game dragged on, Rayn was absent more and more; yet continuing to push his reads into the thread as the defacto leader. Man.. tough game. As i mentioned before, I wouldnt lynch Boxerfred again for two reasons: (1) I think a lot of the neck-wrangling didnt start because of mafia; rather, it had to do with the ethics of Boxerfred. Pople like Conversion and Copcake had genuine personal issues with this lynch and struggled to compute the mindset was from town (ironically all 4 voters); and in this game, conversion/copcake were critical for voting block adhesion. (2) People needed closure on the Day1 lynch that was based on people having a strong scum read, not some randomised crap shoot. I hate to say it, but if Calix was lynched Day1, I think a lot of the town group could mentally move forward and consider other options. I still think this was a great game.. i mean.. 130+pages and no mafia lynched.. what an effort regardless of whether town was on the brink of being able to solve it. | ||
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On July 05 2018 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: You did 2 me ; and in my world at that time, that was all that mattered I think both of these points are not good. I didn't have town credit D1. | ||
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On July 05 2018 07:44 Holyflare wrote: Like, its the same thing with me though. Whilst what you say is an absolutely true opinion, the ability to play mafia with no reads is SO EASY no one wants to be bamboozled against it! I don't think I'd ever have no mafia reads as mafia. Certainly wouldn't push modkills for lynch lol. EGO sux | ||
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On July 05 2018 08:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Please re-direct that post-game energy into assisting me with some 13p balanced setups for "max post cap" mafia :0This game could still be going "differently" if some retards hadnt modkilled themselves.... Something balanced that has a slight difference to it that hasnt been seen in a bit to spark some creativity across either alignment. | ||
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no one was defended, i was actually asking for your genuine feedback on the game I am hosting. anyways, I am thinking of spicing it up and going with a themed "JK9++" just to do something different | ||
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Lemme help ya http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/535177-n-max-post-cap-mafia | ||
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