Host: KelsierSC; Co-host: Half The Sky Questions may be sent to either of us. Night actions should be sent to all hosts!
Introduction:
Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia.
The game is typically very active, so the thread may grow large quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play.
Rules:
Cheating: Cheating includes (but is not limited to): [*] Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post; but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information. [*] Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town. [*] Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role. [*] Comparing role PM times to determine roles. [*] Posting screenshots of your inbox. [*] Posting any PM you receive from a host. [*] Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip. [*] Signing up more than once using smurf accounts. [*] Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits. [*] Sharing accounts with other players. Only you may post on your account. [*] Posting the link to any QT's you have.
Posting:
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Questions: The color green is reserved for questions by players for the hosts during pre-game.
Once the game begins, please PM the hosts with any questions.
Smurfs: Smurfs must PM the host because TL doesn't allow multiple accounts otherwise. If the host is unaware of smurfs, you (and/or your smurf) can be banned for having multiple accounts
Editing: Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be modkilled. This is the one part of the site where it is okay to be double posting, even triple-posting. "Editing" includes indirect editing like linking an image, then editing the image. Editing your profile or signature are allowed, but if you edit them for any game-related reasons (ie, breadcrumbing, sending messages, etc) this will be considered out-of-thread posting and will be punished.
Inappropriate posts and use of the report post link: If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM a host, or Blazinghand before involving the TL moderation staff or using the report post link. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can appeal to the TL staff normally.
Ban discussions: Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game.
Play to win. This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing.
This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without a ban. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM your host if you need to leave the game.
Out of thread communication:
It is common for players whose roles permit out of thread communication (e.g. mafia, masons) to use a medium outside of TL such as QuickTopics or IRC to communicate during the game. Other players may not attempt to infiltrate such communication channels. Players who have not explicitly been given permission to communicate outside the thread are not allowed to do so.
Voting rules:
Voting is done in a separate voting thread that will be posted at the start of the game. Do not PM your vote to the hosts, it will not be counted.
Please vote in the following format: ##Vote KelsierSC. Votes must be in bold, and votes not written in the correct fashion may not be counted.
No conditional voting.
You may vote only for other living players in the thread. You may not vote for yourself.
This game uses plurality voting, so whoever has the most votes at the end of the day is lynched. There is no minimum number of votes required to lynch someone. If there is a tie for most votes, whoever most recently had more votes than the other is the person who is up for the lynch.
The person who is up for the lynch is whoever has the most votes. Bringing another player up to that number of votes doesn't put him up for the lynch; s/he has to have the most votes.
Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
Signups:
Signups will remain open for 5 days and the game will be balanced around the total number of players.
Game begins Tuesday, Sep 25 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in
Signup for the game by posting /in in the thread
You are responsible for being aware when the game begins. I will send a PM to players one (1) day before starting. If you learn you cannot play when I PM you, please let me know ASAP.
Game-specific rules:
Modkills: This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. If you want to use this game to sit out your ban, post in the Ban List.
Modkills will be used at the host's discretion.
Replacements: No Replacements will be allowed
If you are unable to continue playing for a legitimate reason PM the host and no post game action will be taken.
Clues: The role PMs and day/night posts are purely flavor text. There are no clues.
PMs: PMs and out of thread communication are not allowed in this game, unless your role explicitly allows them.
Activity: You are expected to keep up with the thread and participate in discussion daily. If for some reason you anticipate that you will not be available for a period longer than 24 hours, please notify a host ahead of time.
Activity requirement is 3 posts per cycle and voting each cycle. 1st failure = warning 2nd failure = modkill. These do stack so if D1 you don't post or vote then you will be modkilled.
Being modkilled will result in postgame action.
Time Cycle: This game will follow a 48 hour day/24 hour night cycle. Upon reaching the deadline, the game will be put on hold until the next day or night post is posted. Any votes or night actions timestamped up to and including XX:59 will count; those at or after XX:00 will not.
Once the deadline has been reached, you must not post in the thread until the game is resumed by the next daypost or nightpost. Do not wait until the very last moment to try to post!
The deadline for each cycle will be 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
Credits: Thanks to cohosts, coaches and players. Thanks to every active member of the TL mafia community.
Let's see how we get on, I don't want to keep this open too long and have half the game not be aware we started. I'll balance the game based on numbers.
Player List 1) Holyflare - Vanilla Town - Survived 2)Vivax - Mafia Roleblocker - Lynched D1 3) prplhz - Town Cop - Survived 4) Grackaroni - Mafia Goon - Conceded D2 5) Chezinu - Town Doctor - Survived 6) OriginalName - Vanilla Town - Survived 7) Mocsta - Vanilla Town - Killed N1 8) Koshi - Vanilla Town - Survived 9) Conversion - Vanilla Town - Survived
This game will be balanced based on sign up numbers.
The town's win condition:
The town wins when all mafia are eliminated.
The mafia's win condition:
The mafia wins if the number of mafia players alive is equal or greater to the number of town players alive and town night actions cannot reverse this.
When a player dies in the game, the player's alignment (that is, which team the player wins with), and role will be revealed. This reveal is guaranteed to be accurate.
This game uses a semi-open setup. The possible roles are listed below, but the exact number will remain hidden. All roles are not guaranteed to be present.
Role descriptions:
Vanilla Townie You have no special abilities, but your voice and your vote are just as important as anyone else's. You win with the town.
Town Cop / Detective Every night, you may choose a player to investigate. You will visit the player and receive "Town-aligned" or "Mafia-aligned" as a result. Your results are guaranteed to be accurate. You win with the town.
Town Doctor Every night, you may choose a player other than yourself to protect. You will visit the player, and if the mafia attempt to kill a player you are protecting on the same night, the kill will fail. Neither you nor the target will be notified if you prevent a kill. You win with the town.
Town Vigilante Once per game, at night, you may select a player to kill. That player is shot overnight and dies at the start of the next day. If your target was also shot by mafia, or was protected by a doctor or veteran status, your bullet is lost. If you were roleblocked, you don't use your bullet and can try againt he next night. You win with the town.
Town Veteran You have a bulletproof vest that can absorb one bullet. This means you need to be shot twice in order to die: once to destroy the vest, once to kill you. If you are roleblocked, however, your bulletproof vest doesn't work that night. You win with the town.
Mafia Roleblocker Every night, you may choose a player to roleblock, which will prevent them from performing actions and visits that night. The roleblocked player will be notified, even if s/he is vanilla. Every night, the mafia team must choose a player to kill. You may communicate with other members of your mafia team outside of the game thread at any time. You win with the mafia.
Mafia Goon Every night, the mafia team must choose a player to kill. You may communicate with other members of your mafia team outside of the game thread at any time. You win with the mafia.
Mafia Godfather You return "town" to cop checks, as though you were a vanilla townie. Every night, the mafia team must choose a player to kill. You may communicate with other members of your mafia team outside of the game thread at any time. You win with the mafia.
Sample PMs:
Vanilla Town
Town Cop
Town Vigilante
Town Veteran
Town Doctor
Mafia Goon The mafia team is: A quicktopic has been provided for your team:
Mafia Roleblocker The mafia team is: A quicktopic has been provided for your team:
If there is any confusion about your role PM or the setup, PM me or your coach if you have one.
Notifications:
Roleblocks are always notified, even if the target is vanilla town. Veteran saves are not notified. Doctor saves are not notified.
Please read these rules and if I missed anything important let me know. Otherwise, it's mafia as usual.
Player List 1) Holyflare 2) Vivax 3) prplhz 4) Grackaroni - What kind of Grackaroni should I be this game? 5) Chezinu - undefined 6) OriginalName 7) Mocsta - refusing to claim town 8. [g]Koshi[/g] - claims "I am town" 9. [g]Conversion[/g] - claims "I'm town"
On September 26 2018 07:20 Koshi wrote: I am town. ggwp.
This is a short post. It is like a phone post.
Let us break this down
On September 26 2018 07:20 Koshi wrote: I am town.
This statement here informs the reader that Koshi is claiming to be town.
On September 26 2018 07:20 Koshi wrote: ggwp.
It has been found on the internet that the term "ggwp" was originally used in the game DOTA which basically means "good game, well played".
Since this term was used in the first post of the game, this implies that Koshi already sees the end of the game. He has view his foresight of the game as good and thought his opponents played well.
On September 26 2018 07:49 Koshi wrote: Havent had it. Dont think we have it here in Belgium. At least it isnt popular. I am going to vote the person who made the least posts.
Dnu but sounds like a fun meta.
Here the second post by Koshi,
Let us break it down.
On September 26 2018 07:49 Koshi wrote: Havent had it.
This is in response to the question inquiring what bubble tea was Koshi's favorite. This statement means that Koshi has never experienced the taste or consumption of bubble tea in real life.
On September 26 2018 07:49 Koshi wrote: Dont think we have it here in Belgium.
Here, Koshi justfies why he has never had bubble tea. He blames his residence in Belgium. He blames his country.
On September 26 2018 07:49 Koshi wrote: At least it isnt popular. I am going to vote the person who made the least posts.
Dnu but sounds like a fun meta.
After considering the ramifications of his last statement of blame, he spreads the blame to the people of his country rather than the country itself. Stating that bubble tea is not popular among the people dwells among.
On September 26 2018 07:49 Koshi wrote: I am going to vote the person who made the least posts.
Sadden by the reality of the unpopular his people of Belguim have toward bubble tea, he tries to distract himself and focus on the game so he doesn't cry. He threatens to vote the person who makes the least posts! GO GO Threat Distraction!
On September 26 2018 07:49 Koshi wrote: Dnu but sounds like a fun meta.
However, the rejection of the bubble tea has not wander far off his heart. Torn by his country men's view of bubble tea and the glorified view that his dual kingdom of Liquidia has, he confess he is in a state of not knowing. He attempts that the discussion of bubble tea is a fun meta. One that he will long to discuss despite the country he dwells for the love of Liquidia! A true patriot.
On September 26 2018 09:48 Chezinu wrote: 7) unizehC - refusing to claim town
Hi Mocsta,
I looked up that acronym. I was not a pleasant read, but it going to be ok!
I also believe that you have spelled my name backwards in that post there.
Also, it seems the description by the bolded name was the same descriptiong I wrote by a bolded name in my list. In fact, that name was yours! OHHHH I GETS IT!!! You are stating it was backwards of me to make a statemenet about you but not apply it to me when there is a possibly in your eyes that I could be refusing to claim as well..
Well.. We can totally flip that if you want. I can be town.
On September 26 2018 07:49 Koshi wrote: Havent had it.
This is in response to the question inquiring what bubble tea was Koshi's favorite. This statement means that Koshi has never experienced the taste or consumption of bubble tea in real life.
On September 26 2018 07:49 Koshi wrote: At least it isnt popular. I am going to vote the person who made the least posts.
Dnu but sounds like a fun meta.
After considering the ramifications of his last statement of blame, he spreads the blame to the people of his country rather than the country itself. Stating that bubble tea is not popular among the people dwells among.
As defined by wikipedia,
Tea is an aromatic beverage commonly prepared by pouring hot or boiling water over cured leaves of the Camellia sinensis, an evergreen shrub native to Asia. After water, it is the most widely consumed drink in the world.
Note where Koshi resides. Belgium. And where is Belgium? In the world...
Things were starting to look fishy, so I did some more digging. Things just didn't add up. I began my investigation by typing 'tea secret meaning' into google.
"It appears that T, also spelled tea, had a double-edged meaning in black drag culture. It could refer to a hidden truth, as Chablis uses it, and it could also refer to someone else's hidden truth—that is, gossip" -merriam webster.
Now this certainly seemed juicy. I knew I needed to follow this trail to to the finish, so I consulted another source.
"Exploring this mystery dimension of tea has been a daunting task. Tea does not easily surrender its secrets. But, as Lu Tong subtly suggested, the more tea you drink, the more relaxed, serene, companionable, healthy, patient, and wise (if the gods allow) you become." http://cms.herbalgram.org/heg/volume6/files/MOT_excerpt.pdf
At this point, upon reviewing the evidence, I decided that Koshi may not be a tea drinker after all.
Tea and bubble tea are not the same. There's a bubble-tea-joint near where I live though I never went because it seems anime and I'm not kawaii (sorry for possible misuse of those terms).
How is it salty? Last game was last game. I just think his "I'll lynch the lowest poster" is fake. Not only is it noticeably different to how he plays (take last game vig shot for example) but it effectively says nothing.
I just see it as lacklustre, which he has been as either alignment.
im probably juts salty you havent called me out for my vote though.
Initial posts from Koshi scum game this year
On June 27 2018 01:12 Koshi wrote: Once I read the thread I'll sheep rayn.
town rolls this year
On September 07 2018 22:51 Koshi wrote: Hi all I am town.
On June 09 2018 08:06 Koshi wrote: Pretty sure I have been town a lot of times in a row now. Going to attempt to make my first vote on a townie and all next votes on mafia. For a change.
On May 25 2018 09:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i dont have time for chit-chat here, i made a terrible post on the last page, i even laughed at it myself and Holyflare decided to not comment on it while he has 100% read the game (aka 1 page) if town. Always. He should imo always comment on the terrible garbage in case he was town. So yeah, there we go.
I kinda agree.
We can start lynching rayn and holyflare. We keep jealous because images in forum mafia make this more fun to play. LS I'll never know, but seems like honest LS we all know, which means could be town.
Grackaroni NAI opening. darthfoley NAI opening.
Hey it been a long time since I played with you how it been? Also side note for myself this fight is a bit forced?
On September 26 2018 16:13 prplhz wrote: Tea and bubble tea are not the same. There's a bubble-tea-joint near where I live though I never went because it seems anime and I'm not kawaii (sorry for possible misuse of those terms).
Prplhz is town for understanding t and bt is not the same.
On September 26 2018 19:44 Koshi wrote: Maybe Grack is mafia for that post. Who doesnt know t and bt isnt the same and attempts to be funny about t while we talk about bt.
I know they're different. I was going to define bubble and tea as two separate objects but then the bubble trail went cold.
On June 09 2018 08:06 Koshi wrote: Pretty sure I have been town a lot of times in a row now. Going to attempt to make my first vote on a townie and all next votes on mafia. For a change.
On May 25 2018 09:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i dont have time for chit-chat here, i made a terrible post on the last page, i even laughed at it myself and Holyflare decided to not comment on it while he has 100% read the game (aka 1 page) if town. Always. He should imo always comment on the terrible garbage in case he was town. So yeah, there we go.
I kinda agree.
We can start lynching rayn and holyflare. We keep jealous because images in forum mafia make this more fun to play. LS I'll never know, but seems like honest LS we all know, which means could be town.
Grackaroni NAI opening. darthfoley NAI opening.
Hey it been a long time since I played with you how it been? Also side note for myself this fight is a bit forced?
On September 26 2018 23:58 Conversion wrote: good morning
Koshi is being lame and HF is being lame. I'd pick Koshi over HF to lynch at this moment if I had to choose.
Probably mafia hiding in AFK because AFK mafia strat wins games lately so I'd be really happy to just policy lynch an inactive if they don't post soon
Dunno, last game we only had one really AFK scum and two pretty active ones. But I think that unless we have a compelling case on someone active, lets lynch into the AFK pool.
On September 27 2018 02:31 OriginalName wrote: I'm down to at the very least pressure some afkers no point to committing to lynching them this early tbh got a whole day to kick around still.
Says he wants to pressure afkers. Procedes to remove all pressure from afkers.
On September 27 2018 02:31 OriginalName wrote: I'm down to at the very least pressure some afkers no point to committing to lynching them this early tbh got a whole day to kick around still.
Says he wants to pressure afkers. Procedes to remove all pressure from afkers.
I might've phrased that kinda mediocrely, I also didn't vote for an afker, lemme fix that rq ##Vote Vivax
On September 27 2018 03:07 prplhz wrote: Also, third person on the "lets lynch into AFKers"-train.
i mean it's definitely not a terrible option with the amount of information we have, I'd rather argue over policy lynching in the first place and have people actually talking than actually going through with the policy lynch but eh its not even getting into least bad option territory - although the faster it becomes the least bad option the better as usually we actually have other options at that point.
TL is dead.. like.. why even join if you not going to play. Why does this discussion keep coming up.. seriously..
we already know that lynching an afk'r is a terrible option.
(1) there is limited to nil content to vote analyse (2) if we hit town, we are essentially at d1 again (3) as proven recently by HF, it can create seeds of distrust in town that never disappear. (4) The rules require 3 posts per cycle. 2nd offense is modkill. So AFK will self-resolve if genuine; and if making 1 post to stay alive, then we can sort that out as required. and lastly, (4) if the lottery pick actually hits, we are unlikely to be closer to finding the other mafia; given the ease for either alignment to bandwagon.
I would rather "no-lynch" vote then throw a random afk.
I can't get over that in a 9 player game, the activity is so poor that 1/3 is contemplating a random afk vote.
On September 27 2018 07:08 Mocsta wrote: TL is dead.. like.. why even join if you not going to play. Why does this discussion keep coming up.. seriously..
we already know that lynching an afk'r is a terrible option.
(1) there is limited to nil content to vote analyse (2) if we hit town, we are essentially at d1 again (3) as proven recently by HF, it can create seeds of distrust in town that never disappear. (4) The rules require 3 posts per cycle. 2nd offense is modkill. So AFK will self-resolve if genuine; and if making 1 post to stay alive, then we can sort that out as required. and lastly, (4) if the lottery pick actually hits, we are unlikely to be closer to finding the other mafia; given the ease for either alignment to bandwagon.
I would rather "no-lynch" vote then throw a random afk.
I can't get over that in a 9 player game, the activity is so poor that 1/3 is contemplating a random afk vote.
I mean I'd rather no Lynch too but this is plurality. The reason the disscussion probably comes up time and time again is that at least some people try to post meaningfully, there's no reason we have to commit to it yet but theres no reason that we can't contemplate it.
and even with these points I'd say 3 and 4 are probably the two most valid ones.
point 1 is only bad if literally its 'agree to afk lynch and then do it and everyone shuts up afterwords' point 2 is negated by lack of a no lynch option, since low activity d1 lynches are basically just as random as an afk lynch imo.
hell if you want a no lynch option your not going to get better than lynching a modkillee since its essentially the same thing.
On September 27 2018 07:19 Mocsta wrote: i was wondering, why did originalname select vivax out of all the supposed "afks". was it random, was it first is queue, last in queue etc etc.
Well turns out, Vivax is the only person to not post.. So wtf is this talk about afks..
@Conversion How do you wake up, read through a 2 + 1/2 page game and conclude there are ??AFKs??
oh ya btw can totally confirmed i pick Vivax cause he hasn't posted even once.
On September 27 2018 07:24 Mocsta wrote: Hi OriginalName,
Whats your assessment of the landscape?
Barren and full of generic wtf Chezinu behavior and generic d1 shitposting, but I mean at least we're having a cool conversation and I think thats great.
On September 27 2018 07:24 Mocsta wrote: Hi OriginalName,
Whats your assessment of the landscape?
Barren and full of generic wtf Chezinu behavior and generic d1 shitposting, but I mean at least we're having a cool conversation and I think thats great.
Chez is always Chez.. you appear to know that, so im not sure why you are dangling that about.
Is the HF/Koshi interaction generic d1 shitposting?
What about Koshis interaction with prplhz and me?
Do you think mafia and town are willing to put a lot of effort into making a joke post, realise its not funny and still post?
On September 27 2018 07:24 Mocsta wrote: Hi OriginalName,
Whats your assessment of the landscape?
Barren and full of generic wtf Chezinu behavior and generic d1 shitposting, but I mean at least we're having a cool conversation and I think thats great.
Chez is always Chez.. you appear to know that, so im not sure why you are dangling that about.
Is the HF/Koshi interaction generic d1 shitposting?
What about Koshis interaction with prplhz and me?
Do you think mafia and town are willing to put a lot of effort into making a joke post, realise its not funny and still post?
1) Nostalgia 2) i didn't read to deep into it looked like either salty meta gaming or an in joke to my uneducated eyes and the whole bubble tea thing definitly screamed generic d1 shitposting 3) Not enough data, I don't think its quite as unnatural as you made it out to be, however depending on subsequent behaviors can certainly be revaluated 4)YES
Hello my dudes. It's nice to see I'm one of the latecomers for a change.
On September 26 2018 19:46 Koshi wrote: Well. Weird does not equal mafia so I will wait with judgement.
Hf is being really dumb and confrontational at the same time so he is town.
Still voting for afker.
After seeing how you shot him on a whim in the game when you both were town, I find this justification hard to believe. Hard to believe you would be so quick to dismiss him as town. I'd like to know if you really intend to stick to this read cause to me the vote from HF looked like it was a fuck you vote for last game (please confirm if true) but you decided to take it seriously.
On September 26 2018 19:50 Koshi wrote: Hmmm. 2 mafia. Interesting.
Why? Seems like an out of place thing for you to say.
On September 27 2018 02:31 OriginalName wrote: I'm down to at the very least pressure some afkers no point to committing to lynching them this early tbh got a whole day to kick around still.
Says he wants to pressure afkers. Procedes to remove all pressure from afkers.
I might've phrased that kinda mediocrely, I also didn't vote for an afker, lemme fix that rq ##Vote Vivax
On September 27 2018 03:07 prplhz wrote: Also, third person on the "lets lynch into AFKers"-train.
i mean it's definitely not a terrible option with the amount of information we have, I'd rather argue over policy lynching in the first place and have people actually talking than actually going through with the policy lynch but eh its not even getting into least bad option territory - although the faster it becomes the least bad option the better as usually we actually have other options at that point.
What are you saying here? That you would like the lynch all afkers policy to become the least bad option so you can pull through with it even though there are better options? It's a confusing read for something that probably is simple.
I'd like some more posts from prpl at some point as well, I can't form a lean from what he has posted so far.
you raised a good point about koshi, that made me question the validity of my read.
So I checked the last game, and I think the outcome (vig shot) has masked how it got there.
Koshi voted HF after the first 24hrs, and proceed with this quote "
On September 08 2018 21:20 Koshi wrote: Lynch HF for being anti town on purpose. In this town we needed help. He didn't do that. So he plays super anti town.
If he flips town we got rid of a bad town and can be proud of ourselves. If he flips mafia I should get 3 virgins and a pet dragon.
Bonus: Sergio lasing out on HF was completely unnecessary and suggests a connection.
"
Like whether right or wrong, I can see a connection with the shot and meh..
On September 27 2018 07:08 Mocsta wrote: TL is dead.. like.. why even join if you not going to play. Why does this discussion keep coming up.. seriously..
we already know that lynching an afk'r is a terrible option.
(1) there is limited to nil content to vote analyse (2) if we hit town, we are essentially at d1 again (3) as proven recently by HF, it can create seeds of distrust in town that never disappear. (4) The rules require 3 posts per cycle. 2nd offense is modkill. So AFK will self-resolve if genuine; and if making 1 post to stay alive, then we can sort that out as required. and lastly, (4) if the lottery pick actually hits, we are unlikely to be closer to finding the other mafia; given the ease for either alignment to bandwagon.
I would rather "no-lynch" vote then throw a random afk.
I can't get over that in a 9 player game, the activity is so poor that 1/3 is contemplating a random afk vote.
I mean I'd rather no Lynch too but this is plurality. The reason the disscussion probably comes up time and time again is that at least some people try to post meaningfully, there's no reason we have to commit to it yet but theres no reason that we can't contemplate it.
and even with these points I'd say 3 and 4 are probably the two most valid ones.
point 1 is only bad if literally its 'agree to afk lynch and then do it and everyone shuts up afterwords' point 2 is negated by lack of a no lynch option, since low activity d1 lynches are basically just as random as an afk lynch imo.
hell if you want a no lynch option your not going to get better than lynching a modkillee since its essentially the same thing.
I don’t like this post and I don’t like how hard you are pushing into lynching an AFK
On September 27 2018 17:37 Holyflare wrote: A dude just said everyone is town when nobody has done anything really towny
so should I think everyone is scum because nobody has done anything?
bad argument
before you say that’s not what you meant, let’s delve into your logic
Holyflare thinks no one has done anything towny, so he thinks Conversion is suspicious because he lazily calls everyone town, when in Holyflare’s mind no one is town, maybe just null at best.
Conversion thinks otherwise— he thinks most people posting are town and there needs to be more content to filter through who is scum and needs to be knocked down from a town read for him to push.
Holyflare calls Conversion suspicious because he doesn’t line up with his logic
That is how I base all of my scum reads and suspicions because I try to play as objectively as I can. If you think everyone is town when they have done almost nothing to support that theory nor have you given any information to promote those reads then one can only assume they are flimsy or fabricated. If they are flimsy it's not worth taking that hard a stance as you have been (albeit lazily). If they are fabricated well... You know where that leads me.
I think you are a rational human being. I don't think anyone has done anything noteworthy whatsoever.
i played a 5p mini before and rolled scum or jester. cant remember much other than that it was REALLY hard to initiate conversation. So little player count makes it much easier to scrutinise posts etc.
I think its quite reasonable that in a 9p game, that there is a similar trepidation.
This is what pinged me to originalname.
He is clearly coherent and well-versed in the mechanics of the game; yet is content plodding along and only sharing that wealth of knowledge when prodded. The thing is, whilst logically sound, it is merely an encyclopedic reference, as opposed to insight for *THIS* game. I may as well be connected to an AI chatbot....
For me, this is the strongest correlation to scum comfort/mentality I have seen all game, which is why my vote was placed.
I will not be around between now and deadline. Good luck
On September 27 2018 07:08 Mocsta wrote: TL is dead.. like.. why even join if you not going to play. Why does this discussion keep coming up.. seriously..
we already know that lynching an afk'r is a terrible option.
(1) there is limited to nil content to vote analyse (2) if we hit town, we are essentially at d1 again (3) as proven recently by HF, it can create seeds of distrust in town that never disappear. (4) The rules require 3 posts per cycle. 2nd offense is modkill. So AFK will self-resolve if genuine; and if making 1 post to stay alive, then we can sort that out as required. and lastly, (4) if the lottery pick actually hits, we are unlikely to be closer to finding the other mafia; given the ease for either alignment to bandwagon.
I would rather "no-lynch" vote then throw a random afk.
I can't get over that in a 9 player game, the activity is so poor that 1/3 is contemplating a random afk vote.
I mean I'd rather no Lynch too but this is plurality. The reason the disscussion probably comes up time and time again is that at least some people try to post meaningfully, there's no reason we have to commit to it yet but theres no reason that we can't contemplate it.
and even with these points I'd say 3 and 4 are probably the two most valid ones.
point 1 is only bad if literally its 'agree to afk lynch and then do it and everyone shuts up afterwords' point 2 is negated by lack of a no lynch option, since low activity d1 lynches are basically just as random as an afk lynch imo.
hell if you want a no lynch option your not going to get better than lynching a modkillee since its essentially the same thing.
I don’t like this post and I don’t like how hard you are pushing into lynching an AFK
question is, do you also like taro boba?
I don't think I'm pushing that hard into afk lynching at all considering I stated multiple times that if a better option presented itself I'd prefer that. I also don't think Mocsta is scum just for voting me over a difference of opinion and I'm honestly confused why he went all "IF ITS BETWEEN ME AND ON IM GOING TO VOTE ON!!!!" when honestly I think both of us are pretty piss poor options since at least we were trying have some posts with actual substance. Holyflare and Conversion both arguing over minor semantics like 'how green should your reads start' literally just reads like posting for the sake of posting to me. Which I mean is better than just lurking but considering that honestly it shouldn't matter how people read as long as you're willing to be objective and actually be willing to change your reads.
and like cool now everyones posted, tbh i think its weird that chezinu just quickly hops on the first wagon presented and I'd like to know why he did that. I haven't exactly been around for more than a few years and I'm not trawling 5-6 games to metagame you guys so I'm just saying how it looks to me without past context.
trying to understand why someone is calling me scum, and then challenging him on it isn't what I'd quite necessitate as posting for the sake of posting, but eh
so who would you lynch between Mocsta and Chezinu, now that everyone has posted?
On September 27 2018 22:21 Conversion wrote: good point on Mocsta's all or nothing play
trying to understand why someone is calling me scum, and then challenging him on it isn't what I'd quite necessitate as posting for the sake of posting, but eh
so who would you lynch between Mocsta and Chezinu, now that everyone has posted?
I don't think Mocsta is scum so id pick Chez, hes allowed to be weird and cryptic all he wants as long as hes at least helpful and playing not just ayy lmao bandwagon and throw out a question. He's not stupid and shouldnt be allowed to get away with acting like it either.
Btw gonna be sporadically around next few hours while ay work. Might post when my boss isnt looking and at lunch but wont be as prompt as i might be otherwise
I dont mind gracks shit posting. I think it leans town to have wasted 1hr doing rhe bubvle t shitpost and then immediately spam about hf crumpets. Its very "in thr moment" having fun etc.
The two sticking out to me is chez and prplhz I couldnt care which is voted out first.
On September 08 2018 21:20 Koshi wrote: Lynch HF for being anti town on purpose. In this town we needed help. He didn't do that. So he plays super anti town.
If he flips town we got rid of a bad town and can be proud of ourselves. If he flips mafia I should get 3 virgins and a pet dragon.
Bonus: Sergio lasing out on HF was completely unnecessary and suggests a connection.
"
Like whether right or wrong, I can see a connection with the shot and meh..
On September 27 2018 22:07 Mocsta wrote: i played a 5p mini before and rolled scum or jester. cant remember much other than that it was REALLY hard to initiate conversation. So little player count makes it much easier to scrutinise posts etc.
I think its quite reasonable that in a 9p game, that there is a similar trepidation.
This is what pinged me to originalname.
He is clearly coherent and well-versed in the mechanics of the game; yet is content plodding along and only sharing that wealth of knowledge when prodded. The thing is, whilst logically sound, it is merely an encyclopedic reference, as opposed to insight for *THIS* game. I may as well be connected to an AI chatbot....
For me, this is the strongest correlation to scum comfort/mentality I have seen all game, which is why my vote was placed.
I will not be around between now and deadline. Good luck
On September 27 2018 07:08 Mocsta wrote: TL is dead.. like.. why even join if you not going to play. Why does this discussion keep coming up.. seriously..
we already know that lynching an afk'r is a terrible option.
(1) there is limited to nil content to vote analyse (2) if we hit town, we are essentially at d1 again (3) as proven recently by HF, it can create seeds of distrust in town that never disappear. (4) The rules require 3 posts per cycle. 2nd offense is modkill. So AFK will self-resolve if genuine; and if making 1 post to stay alive, then we can sort that out as required. and lastly, (4) if the lottery pick actually hits, we are unlikely to be closer to finding the other mafia; given the ease for either alignment to bandwagon.
I would rather "no-lynch" vote then throw a random afk.
I can't get over that in a 9 player game, the activity is so poor that 1/3 is contemplating a random afk vote.
I mean I'd rather no Lynch too but this is plurality. The reason the disscussion probably comes up time and time again is that at least some people try to post meaningfully, there's no reason we have to commit to it yet but theres no reason that we can't contemplate it.
and even with these points I'd say 3 and 4 are probably the two most valid ones.
point 1 is only bad if literally its 'agree to afk lynch and then do it and everyone shuts up afterwords' point 2 is negated by lack of a no lynch option, since low activity d1 lynches are basically just as random as an afk lynch imo.
hell if you want a no lynch option your not going to get better than lynching a modkillee since its essentially the same thing.
I don’t like this post and I don’t like how hard you are pushing into lynching an AFK
question is, do you also like taro boba?
I don't think I'm pushing that hard into afk lynching at all considering I stated multiple times that if a better option presented itself I'd prefer that. I also don't think Mocsta is scum just for voting me over a difference of opinion and I'm honestly confused why he went all "IF ITS BETWEEN ME AND ON IM GOING TO VOTE ON!!!!" when honestly I think both of us are pretty piss poor options since at least we were trying have some posts with actual substance. Holyflare and Conversion both arguing over minor semantics like 'how green should your reads start' literally just reads like posting for the sake of posting to me. Which I mean is better than just lurking but considering that honestly it shouldn't matter how people read as long as you're willing to be objective and actually be willing to change your reads.
and like cool now everyones posted, tbh i think its weird that chezinu just quickly hops on the first wagon presented and I'd like to know why he did that. I haven't exactly been around for more than a few years and I'm not trawling 5-6 games to metagame you guys so I'm just saying how it looks to me without past context.
Good defense. But that is what it is. A defense.
Would be better if the good observation made here was on the attack.
Why are you smart while defending and mediocre on the attack?
I think Vivax may be an lynch, he looks pretty different from last game in that he is very much less active. However, in both this game and in the last game he started out by arguing against thread sentiment, last game against the Kaley-scum-read and this game against the Koshi-town-read. He seems sort of fit for fight so mostly I think he looks scummy because he's not as active as I think he almost always are.
On September 27 2018 07:08 Mocsta wrote: TL is dead.. like.. why even join if you not going to play. Why does this discussion keep coming up.. seriously..
we already know that lynching an afk'r is a terrible option.
(1) there is limited to nil content to vote analyse (2) if we hit town, we are essentially at d1 again (3) as proven recently by HF, it can create seeds of distrust in town that never disappear. (4) The rules require 3 posts per cycle. 2nd offense is modkill. So AFK will self-resolve if genuine; and if making 1 post to stay alive, then we can sort that out as required. and lastly, (4) if the lottery pick actually hits, we are unlikely to be closer to finding the other mafia; given the ease for either alignment to bandwagon.
I would rather "no-lynch" vote then throw a random afk.
I can't get over that in a 9 player game, the activity is so poor that 1/3 is contemplating a random afk vote.
I mean I'd rather no Lynch too but this is plurality. The reason the disscussion probably comes up time and time again is that at least some people try to post meaningfully, there's no reason we have to commit to it yet but theres no reason that we can't contemplate it.
and even with these points I'd say 3 and 4 are probably the two most valid ones.
point 1 is only bad if literally its 'agree to afk lynch and then do it and everyone shuts up afterwords' point 2 is negated by lack of a no lynch option, since low activity d1 lynches are basically just as random as an afk lynch imo.
hell if you want a no lynch option your not going to get better than lynching a modkillee since its essentially the same thing.
I don’t like this post and I don’t like how hard you are pushing into lynching an AFK
question is, do you also like taro boba?
This post annoys me quite a bit. After Mocsta went all "ME OR ON", I think scum will feel sort of pressured to take a side and this post looks like taking a side while still keeping things very much at arms length. Chezinu went all in with the "ON the ON train" post, but Conversion just takes a slight poke.
On September 27 2018 07:08 Mocsta wrote: TL is dead.. like.. why even join if you not going to play. Why does this discussion keep coming up.. seriously..
we already know that lynching an afk'r is a terrible option.
(1) there is limited to nil content to vote analyse (2) if we hit town, we are essentially at d1 again (3) as proven recently by HF, it can create seeds of distrust in town that never disappear. (4) The rules require 3 posts per cycle. 2nd offense is modkill. So AFK will self-resolve if genuine; and if making 1 post to stay alive, then we can sort that out as required. and lastly, (4) if the lottery pick actually hits, we are unlikely to be closer to finding the other mafia; given the ease for either alignment to bandwagon.
I would rather "no-lynch" vote then throw a random afk.
I can't get over that in a 9 player game, the activity is so poor that 1/3 is contemplating a random afk vote.
I mean I'd rather no Lynch too but this is plurality. The reason the disscussion probably comes up time and time again is that at least some people try to post meaningfully, there's no reason we have to commit to it yet but theres no reason that we can't contemplate it.
and even with these points I'd say 3 and 4 are probably the two most valid ones.
point 1 is only bad if literally its 'agree to afk lynch and then do it and everyone shuts up afterwords' point 2 is negated by lack of a no lynch option, since low activity d1 lynches are basically just as random as an afk lynch imo.
hell if you want a no lynch option your not going to get better than lynching a modkillee since its essentially the same thing.
I don’t like this post and I don’t like how hard you are pushing into lynching an AFK
question is, do you also like taro boba?
This post annoys me quite a bit. After Mocsta went all "ME OR ON", I think scum will feel sort of pressured to take a side and this post looks like taking a side while still keeping things very much at arms length. Chezinu went all in with the "ON the ON train" post, but Conversion just takes a slight poke.
On September 28 2018 01:48 prplhz wrote: I think Vivax may be an lynch, he looks pretty different from last game in that he is very much less active. However, in both this game and in the last game he started out by arguing against thread sentiment, last game against the Kaley-scum-read and this game against the Koshi-town-read. He seems sort of fit for fight so mostly I think he looks scummy because he's not as active as I think he almost always are.
I have no idea what the conclusion is on the first quoted post. Are you saying that Conversion/Chezinu contains mafia because of the "pressure" to take a side?
On the contrary, why wouldn't scum just sit back when they're not being pressured?
Second post says "I might lynch Vivax, he looks different than last game (mafia?). But also kind of looks the same (town?). But he also looks kind of scummy because he's not as active (mafia?)"
Both of them are "here are some words, I am active," but they don't conclude much.. if anything
I think this is a townie post. I especially like the bolded where I think some confidence from OriginalName about the value of his own contributions posts casually slips into the post with a dig about the worthlessness of HF/Conversion's argument.
On September 27 2018 07:08 Mocsta wrote: TL is dead.. like.. why even join if you not going to play. Why does this discussion keep coming up.. seriously..
we already know that lynching an afk'r is a terrible option.
(1) there is limited to nil content to vote analyse (2) if we hit town, we are essentially at d1 again (3) as proven recently by HF, it can create seeds of distrust in town that never disappear. (4) The rules require 3 posts per cycle. 2nd offense is modkill. So AFK will self-resolve if genuine; and if making 1 post to stay alive, then we can sort that out as required. and lastly, (4) if the lottery pick actually hits, we are unlikely to be closer to finding the other mafia; given the ease for either alignment to bandwagon.
I would rather "no-lynch" vote then throw a random afk.
I can't get over that in a 9 player game, the activity is so poor that 1/3 is contemplating a random afk vote.
I mean I'd rather no Lynch too but this is plurality. The reason the disscussion probably comes up time and time again is that at least some people try to post meaningfully, there's no reason we have to commit to it yet but theres no reason that we can't contemplate it.
and even with these points I'd say 3 and 4 are probably the two most valid ones.
point 1 is only bad if literally its 'agree to afk lynch and then do it and everyone shuts up afterwords' point 2 is negated by lack of a no lynch option, since low activity d1 lynches are basically just as random as an afk lynch imo.
hell if you want a no lynch option your not going to get better than lynching a modkillee since its essentially the same thing.
I don’t like this post and I don’t like how hard you are pushing into lynching an AFK
question is, do you also like taro boba?
I don't think I'm pushing that hard into afk lynching at all considering I stated multiple times that if a better option presented itself I'd prefer that. I also don't think Mocsta is scum just for voting me over a difference of opinion and I'm honestly confused why he went all "IF ITS BETWEEN ME AND ON IM GOING TO VOTE ON!!!!" when honestly I think both of us are pretty piss poor options since at least we were trying have some posts with actual substance. Holyflare and Conversion both arguing over minor semantics like 'how green should your reads start' literally just reads like posting for the sake of posting to me. Which I mean is better than just lurking but considering that honestly it shouldn't matter how people read as long as you're willing to be objective and actually be willing to change your reads.
and like cool now everyones posted, tbh i think its weird that chezinu just quickly hops on the first wagon presented and I'd like to know why he did that. I haven't exactly been around for more than a few years and I'm not trawling 5-6 games to metagame you guys so I'm just saying how it looks to me without past context.
I don't like this post:
On September 27 2018 22:07 Mocsta wrote: i played a 5p mini before and rolled scum or jester. cant remember much other than that it was REALLY hard to initiate conversation. So little player count makes it much easier to scrutinise posts etc.
I think its quite reasonable that in a 9p game, that there is a similar trepidation.
This is what pinged me to originalname.
He is clearly coherent and well-versed in the mechanics of the game; yet is content plodding along and only sharing that wealth of knowledge when prodded. The thing is, whilst logically sound, it is merely an encyclopedic reference, as opposed to insight for *THIS* game. I may as well be connected to an AI chatbot....
For me, this is the strongest correlation to scum comfort/mentality I have seen all game, which is why my vote was placed.
I will not be around between now and deadline. Good luck
The accusation is written in a way that sounds very convincing with a lot of rhetorical flourishes but as far as I can tell the underlying accusation is basically "ON talked about lurker lynching and then replied to my own post arguing against lurker lynching and is doing too much talking about setup." I think Mocsta is overpushing his case in a scummy way in this post. It kind of feels like I'm reading propaganda.
On September 26 2018 19:46 Koshi wrote: Well. Weird does not equal mafia so I will wait with judgement.
Hf is being really dumb and confrontational at the same time so he is town.
Still voting for afker.
I think HF's posts seemed like pretty standard early game pressure and weren't all that alignment indicative.
And on one kind of random note, the end of Vivax's post struck me as weird just because this is a pretty meh game so far and the last thing I would think to post is "I Really need more posts from Prplhz!!"
On September 26 2018 19:46 Koshi wrote: Well. Weird does not equal mafia so I will wait with judgement.
Hf is being really dumb and confrontational at the same time so he is town.
Still voting for afker.
I think HF's posts seemed like pretty standard early game pressure and weren't all that alignment indicative.
And on one kind of random note, the end of Vivax's post struck me as weird just because this is a pretty meh game so far and the last thing I would think to post is "I Really need more posts from Prplhz!!"
Thinking about this more it might mean that Vivax is having difficulty looking for things to fluff up his content.
At this point voting vivax looks like a no lunch equivalent sinces posted exactly once and hasnt voted so modkill ho on that regard, I'm prob gonna swap to chezinu unless he pops in with a superb last minute post.
On September 28 2018 05:04 OriginalName wrote: At this point voting vivax looks like a no lunch equivalent sinces posted exactly once and hasnt voted so modkill ho on that regard, I'm prob gonna swap to chezinu unless he pops in with a superb last minute post.
why is swapping to Chezinu considered not a no-lynch alternative?
On September 28 2018 05:04 OriginalName wrote: At this point voting vivax looks like a no lunch equivalent sinces posted exactly once and hasnt voted so modkill ho on that regard, I'm prob gonna swap to chezinu unless he pops in with a superb last minute post.
why is swapping to Chezinu considered not a no-lynch alternative?
Because chez fulfilled activity rules at the time whil3 at time of post vivax hadnt.
Altho 'i had spoopy reasons for afking and suddenly last minute avoiding modkill is suspect af especially when you dont even attempt to respond to the votes on you regardless.
On September 28 2018 05:36 Conversion wrote: @Grack why did you suddenly stop reading Mocsta's filter as he backed off OriginalName?
was that irrelevant to your analysis?
When I read through the thread I flaged posts that I thought were townie or scummy so that is what the structure of my post is from not filters.
But yeah him backing off ON doesn't change my mind because what I found scummy was the language of that post rather than him pushing ON. I think he portrayed ON really uncharitably compared to what ON actually posted in a way that I don't think is coming from a townie.
On September 28 2018 06:17 Grackaroni wrote: The post looked more like "I want to smear player X" rather than "I'm voicing a suspicion".
That is a fair observation, but why must be from mafia only?
please consider the game from my point of view. The deadline is 6AM for me. I got to bed around 10PM... theres 8hrs where all the vote shennanies goes on, that I will never be a part of.
Its paramount I articulate my votes as clearly as I can. I actually perceived the greater risk to be the opposite of what you claimed. That I vote for shits n giggles, therefore, I am mafia!!! This is in the realm of how HF mislynched me last time we played...
On September 27 2018 19:31 Vivax wrote: Hello my dudes. It's nice to see I'm one of the latecomers for a change.
In hindsight, its pretty clear hes struggling to enter the game, and and trying to create himself value by associating himself as a earlycomer content creator. This alone was telling....sigh
On September 26 2018 19:46 Koshi wrote: Well. Weird does not equal mafia so I will wait with judgement.
Hf is being really dumb and confrontational at the same time so he is town.
Still voting for afker.
On September 27 2018 19:31 Vivax wrote:After seeing how you shot him on a whim in the game when you both were town, I find this justification hard to believe. Hard to believe you would be so quick to dismiss him as town. I'd like to know if you really intend to stick to this read cause to me the vote from HF looked like it was a fuck you vote for last game (please confirm if true) but you decided to take it seriously.
Vivax is disagreeing with Koshi, with a relatively strong tone - almost factual, or at the very least, considered to be fact.
This may directly point to a HF partner.......... At least thats where eye would be looking.
On September 26 2018 19:50 Koshi wrote: Hmmm. 2 mafia. Interesting.
On September 27 2018 19:31 Vivax wrote:Why? Seems like an out of place thing for you to say.
Again, speaking with a relatively strong tone - almost factual, or at the very least, considered to be fact.
FYI, Koshi was commenting Grack + Mocsta are mafia I know im town, and im pretty sure Grack is town, so again, Vivax being "matter-of-fact" lines up.
On September 27 2018 02:31 OriginalName wrote: I'm down to at the very least pressure some afkers no point to committing to lynching them this early tbh got a whole day to kick around still.
On September 27 2018 03:04 Koshi wrote: Says he wants to pressure afkers. Procedes to remove all pressure from afkers.
On September 27 2018 06:49 OriginalName wrote: I might've phrased that kinda mediocrely, I also didn't vote for an afker, lemme fix that rq ##Vote Vivax
On September 27 2018 03:07 prplhz wrote: Also, third person on the "lets lynch into AFKers"-train.
On September 27 2018 06:49 OriginalName wrote:i mean it's definitely not a terrible option with the amount of information we have, I'd rather argue over policy lynching in the first place and have people actually talking than actually going through with the policy lynch but eh its not even getting into least bad option territory - although the faster it becomes the least bad option the better as usually we actually have other options at that point.
On September 27 2018 19:31 Vivax wrote:What are you saying here? That you would like the lynch all afkers policy to become the least bad option so you can pull through with it even though there are better options? It's a confusing read for something that probably is simple.
I'd like some more posts from prpl at some point as well, I can't form a lean from what he has posted so far.
This one is interesting.
Firstly, hes clearly setting himself up to move onto prplhz, so I think that sets him as town.
OriginalName is interesting. Given this is quite an awkward poke. hes merely pointing a BB gun, and refusing to put the finger near the trigger.
Could easily be creating distance with a scum!ON, or hesistant to shit on a town!On.
Given the way the game transgressed, and I think ON voted Vivax, it should be pretty clear its the latter, i.e. town!On.
So from one post we have this (+ the lynch itself) Vivax Post ( Koshi, Mocsta, Grack, prplhz) Lynch (ON, Koshi, prplhz)
On September 28 2018 07:32 OriginalName wrote: My conspiracy theory is that koshi threw vivax under the bus. Might not be true and it might be wait but my gut says that.
I dunno how we would ever tell because Koshi goes from this
On September 28 2018 00:26 Koshi wrote: Vivax last game he entered with vote and then nothing xcept ignoring me and make dumb posts about Kelsier.
Here he is way different.
Different and I think town.
and then literally to this (bear in mind, no one else posted in between this)....
On September 28 2018 01:18 Koshi wrote: Mocsta Conversion Holyflare prplhz Grackaroni OriginalName Vivax Chezinu
Thats the big one, that and how hard koshi was pushing the RREeEEE im right vote vivax now thing but i mean allegedly hes always like that and i might be reading too much into it.
ON being on Vivax from start but attacking the person jumping on Vivax and soft defending Vivax in his last x posts before flip doesnt seem zeird to anyone?
If Koshi bussed Vivax it might be the most left field mafia play since the Damdred/Zenman double bus onto their roleblocker into Damdred getting modkilled and losing the game
also because Koshi could have literally picked anyone else and they’d fare better than a 6-1 situation with their roleblocker dead.. I don’t buy this conspiracy theory just yet
On September 28 2018 08:06 Mocsta wrote: Wouls you bus the roleblocker so easily?
Without koshi vote thr lynch coukd have gone anywhere. Esp with grack voting me.
I put wine image because vivax first post commented on koshi/hf stronger than it did you so i consider it somewhat natural to fall on koshi.
When he avoids modkill by 30 minutes hell fucking yeah I would but I mean theres a reason i said conspiracy, its certainly a worthwhile gut read and conversation. I fully admit I voted him to start off an afk policy lynch that decided to stick with it off that pathetic end of day lol I wont be modkilled meme. However you have to realize that regardless of his exact role as scum he was a liability and dumping him is certainly an option.
I fully realize that all of those points apply to me as well but lieke idgaf Id rather be under the gun than people being quote unquote cleared off of this sham of a lynch.
On September 28 2018 08:10 Conversion wrote: also because Koshi could have literally picked anyone else and they’d fare better than a 6-1 situation with their roleblocker dead.. I don’t buy this conspiracy theory just yet
On September 28 2018 08:10 Conversion wrote: also because Koshi could have literally picked anyone else and they’d fare better than a 6-1 situation with their roleblocker dead.. I don’t buy this conspiracy theory just yet
spot on, way too early
It could be 2 - 5 but i mean ~~setup speculation~~
On September 28 2018 08:25 Conversion wrote: 6/3 is way too unforgiving as town imo, and I don’t know anything about balance in mafia. I’d buy a 6/2/1 maybe
i already considered if chez could be 3rd party, but OP only lists town and mafia.
On September 28 2018 07:32 OriginalName wrote: My conspiracy theory is that koshi threw vivax under the bus. Might not be true and it might be wait but my gut says that.
I dunno how we would ever tell because Koshi goes from this
On September 28 2018 01:18 Koshi wrote: Mocsta Conversion Holyflare prplhz Grackaroni OriginalName Vivax Chezinu
I think this is my list.
btw, thank you to prplhz for seeking clarification from koshi.
This post is false.
Koshi confirms later that the first post is about HF being town. Koshi never actually comments on vivax until this list post.
so i can totally see a world where scum!koshi/vivax are bantering with each other, and keeping options open to then jump across.. but that never happens. this is more relevant given that grack voted me BEFORE prplhz went onto vivax, so vivax lynch was certainly not set in stone.
Grack vote on me looks pretty honest and left-field, so I dont see it as an attempt by scum to take pressure off vivax.
I just think this conspiracy stuff is over the top.
On September 26 2018 09:48 Chezinu wrote: Player List 1) Holyflare 2) Vivax 3) prplhz 4) Grackaroni - What kind of Grackaroni should I be this game? 5) Chezinu - undefined 6) OriginalName 7) Mocsta - refusing to claim town 8. Koshi - claims "I am town" 9. Conversion - claims "I'm town"
First 3 signups still need to report
OriginalName joins Post Chez and no post
Vivax has reported.
So.. Mocsta did not claim town. ON was suspect. Chez joins Mocsta and scares everybody OFF ON including Mocsta. Being undefined in a game with no 3rd party. Plurality for vote, yet so few votes. Vivax afk, so mafia could not save. Until the end, when Vivac was there, but by then Mafia afk or bus or lacked a possible hop. With Vivax and a fellow Mafia, if the mafia was on Vivax and active. Once Vivax appeared, could have hopped together joining a town against another town, which there was plenty. Making a 3 v 2. However, if mafia not on Vivax.. what hope? Vivax voted solo with no forced wagon hope. So fellow afk mafia, committed busser mafia, or hopeless/hopless option.
On September 26 2018 09:48 Chezinu wrote: Player List 1) Holyflare 2) Vivax 3) prplhz 4) Grackaroni - What kind of Grackaroni should I be this game? 5) Chezinu - undefined 6) OriginalName 7) Mocsta - refusing to claim town 8. Koshi - claims "I am town" 9. Conversion - claims "I'm town"
First 3 signups still need to report
OriginalName joins Post Chez and no post
Vivax has reported.
So.. Mocsta did not claim town. ON was suspect. Chez joins Mocsta and scares everybody OFF ON including Mocsta. Being undefined in a game with no 3rd party. Plurality for vote, yet so few votes. Vivax afk, so mafia could not save. Until the end, when Vivac was there, but by then Mafia afk or bus or lacked a possible hop. With Vivax and a fellow Mafia, if the mafia was on Vivax and active. Once Vivax appeared, could have hopped together joining a town against another town, which there was plenty. Making a 3 v 2. However, if mafia not on Vivax.. what hope? Vivax voted solo with no forced wagon hope. So fellow afk mafia, committed busser mafia, or hopeless/hopless option.
Except by the time the lynch on vivax had more or less solidified moving the lynch last second wouldve been by far the most suspicious possible play. At least that's kind of what I'm parsing from this.
On September 26 2018 09:48 Chezinu wrote: Player List 1) Holyflare 2) Vivax 3) prplhz 4) Grackaroni - What kind of Grackaroni should I be this game? 5) Chezinu - undefined 6) OriginalName 7) Mocsta - refusing to claim town 8. Koshi - claims "I am town" 9. Conversion - claims "I'm town"
First 3 signups still need to report
OriginalName joins Post Chez and no post
Vivax has reported.
So.. Mocsta did not claim town. ON was suspect. Chez joins Mocsta and scares everybody OFF ON including Mocsta. Being undefined in a game with no 3rd party. Plurality for vote, yet so few votes. Vivax afk, so mafia could not save. Until the end, when Vivac was there, but by then Mafia afk or bus or lacked a possible hop. With Vivax and a fellow Mafia, if the mafia was on Vivax and active. Once Vivax appeared, could have hopped together joining a town against another town, which there was plenty. Making a 3 v 2. However, if mafia not on Vivax.. what hope? Vivax voted solo with no forced wagon hope. So fellow afk mafia, committed busser mafia, or hopeless/hopless option.
On September 28 2018 10:52 Conversion wrote: IMO day 2 lynch should be into non-Vivax votes and into me/holyflare/grackaroni/chezchez/mocsta? or am I seeing this game wrong
ON is most likely mafia. But you could do what you suggest.
On September 27 2018 02:31 OriginalName wrote: I'm down to at the very least pressure some afkers no point to committing to lynching them this early tbh got a whole day to kick around still.
Contradictive sentence but also with his next move in the game.
On September 27 2018 02:31 OriginalName wrote: I'm down to at the very least pressure some afkers no point to committing to lynching them this early tbh got a whole day to kick around still.
Says he wants to pressure afkers. Procedes to remove all pressure from afkers.
I might've phrased that kinda mediocrely, I also didn't vote for an afker, lemme fix that rq ##Vote Vivax
On September 27 2018 03:07 prplhz wrote: Also, third person on the "lets lynch into AFKers"-train.
i mean it's definitely not a terrible option with the amount of information we have, I'd rather argue over policy lynching in the first place and have people actually talking than actually going through with the policy lynch but eh its not even getting into least bad option territory - although the faster it becomes the least bad option the better as usually we actually have other options at that point.
I pressure him a bit on that post and he votes Vivax. So basically doing what he didnt want to do because pressure.
On September 27 2018 07:19 Mocsta wrote: i was wondering, why did originalname select vivax out of all the supposed "afks". was it random, was it first is queue, last in queue etc etc.
Well turns out, Vivax is the only person to not post.. So wtf is this talk about afks..
@Conversion How do you wake up, read through a 2 + 1/2 page game and conclude there are ??AFKs??
oh ya btw can totally confirmed i pick Vivax cause he hasn't posted even once.
Very nonchalant post style. One may say too nonchalant and oit of character.
On September 27 2018 07:08 Mocsta wrote: TL is dead.. like.. why even join if you not going to play. Why does this discussion keep coming up.. seriously..
we already know that lynching an afk'r is a terrible option.
(1) there is limited to nil content to vote analyse (2) if we hit town, we are essentially at d1 again (3) as proven recently by HF, it can create seeds of distrust in town that never disappear. (4) The rules require 3 posts per cycle. 2nd offense is modkill. So AFK will self-resolve if genuine; and if making 1 post to stay alive, then we can sort that out as required. and lastly, (4) if the lottery pick actually hits, we are unlikely to be closer to finding the other mafia; given the ease for either alignment to bandwagon.
I would rather "no-lynch" vote then throw a random afk.
I can't get over that in a 9 player game, the activity is so poor that 1/3 is contemplating a random afk vote.
I mean I'd rather no Lynch too but this is plurality. The reason the disscussion probably comes up time and time again is that at least some people try to post meaningfully, there's no reason we have to commit to it yet but theres no reason that we can't contemplate it.
and even with these points I'd say 3 and 4 are probably the two most valid ones.
point 1 is only bad if literally its 'agree to afk lynch and then do it and everyone shuts up afterwords' point 2 is negated by lack of a no lynch option, since low activity d1 lynches are basically just as random as an afk lynch imo.
hell if you want a no lynch option your not going to get better than lynching a modkillee since its essentially the same thing.
I don’t like this post and I don’t like how hard you are pushing into lynching an AFK
question is, do you also like taro boba?
I don't think I'm pushing that hard into afk lynching at all considering I stated multiple times that if a better option presented itself I'd prefer that. I also don't think Mocsta is scum just for voting me over a difference of opinion and I'm honestly confused why he went all "IF ITS BETWEEN ME AND ON IM GOING TO VOTE ON!!!!" when honestly I think both of us are pretty piss poor options since at least we were trying have some posts with actual substance. Holyflare and Conversion both arguing over minor semantics like 'how green should your reads start' literally just reads like posting for the sake of posting to me. Which I mean is better than just lurking but considering that honestly it shouldn't matter how people read as long as you're willing to be objective and actually be willing to change your reads.
and like cool now everyones posted, tbh i think its weird that chezinu just quickly hops on the first wagon presented and I'd like to know why he did that. I haven't exactly been around for more than a few years and I'm not trawling 5-6 games to metagame you guys so I'm just saying how it looks to me without past context.
On September 27 2018 07:08 Mocsta wrote: TL is dead.. like.. why even join if you not going to play. Why does this discussion keep coming up.. seriously..
we already know that lynching an afk'r is a terrible option.
(1) there is limited to nil content to vote analyse (2) if we hit town, we are essentially at d1 again (3) as proven recently by HF, it can create seeds of distrust in town that never disappear. (4) The rules require 3 posts per cycle. 2nd offense is modkill. So AFK will self-resolve if genuine; and if making 1 post to stay alive, then we can sort that out as required. and lastly, (4) if the lottery pick actually hits, we are unlikely to be closer to finding the other mafia; given the ease for either alignment to bandwagon.
I would rather "no-lynch" vote then throw a random afk.
I can't get over that in a 9 player game, the activity is so poor that 1/3 is contemplating a random afk vote.
I mean I'd rather no Lynch too but this is plurality. The reason the disscussion probably comes up time and time again is that at least some people try to post meaningfully, there's no reason we have to commit to it yet but theres no reason that we can't contemplate it.
and even with these points I'd say 3 and 4 are probably the two most valid ones.
point 1 is only bad if literally its 'agree to afk lynch and then do it and everyone shuts up afterwords' point 2 is negated by lack of a no lynch option, since low activity d1 lynches are basically just as random as an afk lynch imo.
hell if you want a no lynch option your not going to get better than lynching a modkillee since its essentially the same thing.
I don’t like this post and I don’t like how hard you are pushing into lynching an AFK
question is, do you also like taro boba?
I don't think I'm pushing that hard into afk lynching at all considering I stated multiple times that if a better option presented itself I'd prefer that. I also don't think Mocsta is scum just for voting me over a difference of opinion and I'm honestly confused why he went all "IF ITS BETWEEN ME AND ON IM GOING TO VOTE ON!!!!" when honestly I think both of us are pretty piss poor options since at least we were trying have some posts with actual substance. Holyflare and Conversion both arguing over minor semantics like 'how green should your reads start' literally just reads like posting for the sake of posting to me. Which I mean is better than just lurking but considering that honestly it shouldn't matter how people read as long as you're willing to be objective and actually be willing to change your reads.
and like cool now everyones posted, tbh i think its weird that chezinu just quickly hops on the first wagon presented and I'd like to know why he did that. I haven't exactly been around for more than a few years and I'm not trawling 5-6 games to metagame you guys so I'm just saying how it looks to me without past context.
Good defense. But that is what it is. A defense.
Would be better if the good observation made here was on the attack.
Why are you smart while defending and mediocre on the attack?
On September 27 2018 22:07 Mocsta wrote: i played a 5p mini before and rolled scum or jester. cant remember much other than that it was REALLY hard to initiate conversation. So little player count makes it much easier to scrutinise posts etc.
I think its quite reasonable that in a 9p game, that there is a similar trepidation.
This is what pinged me to originalname.
He is clearly coherent and well-versed in the mechanics of the game; yet is content plodding along and only sharing that wealth of knowledge when prodded. The thing is, whilst logically sound, it is merely an encyclopedic reference, as opposed to insight for *THIS* game. I may as well be connected to an AI chatbot....
For me, this is the strongest correlation to scum comfort/mentality I have seen all game, which is why my vote was placed.
I will not be around between now and deadline. Good luck
imo decent post + reasoning to lynch somebody.
Also. This is a really good post by Mocsta. It pinged me when I read it as pure gold.
On September 27 2018 22:21 Conversion wrote: good point on Mocsta's all or nothing play
trying to understand why someone is calling me scum, and then challenging him on it isn't what I'd quite necessitate as posting for the sake of posting, but eh
so who would you lynch between Mocsta and Chezinu, now that everyone has posted?
I don't think Mocsta is scum so id pick Chez, hes allowed to be weird and cryptic all he wants as long as hes at least helpful and playing not just ayy lmao bandwagon and throw out a question. He's not stupid and shouldnt be allowed to get away with acting like it either.
WHY R WE NOT LYNCHING CHEZ BOIS
Any normal townie would have swapped by now. He keeps repeating he doesnt want to lynch afkers (I didnt quote that boring post).
On September 27 2018 23:00 OriginalName wrote: Btw gonna be sporadically around next few hours while ay work. Might post when my boss isnt looking and at lunch but wont be as prompt as i might be otherwise
On September 28 2018 05:04 OriginalName wrote: At this point voting vivax looks like a no lunch equivalent sinces posted exactly once and hasnt voted so modkill ho on that regard, I'm prob gonna swap to chezinu unless he pops in with a superb last minute post.
On September 28 2018 05:04 OriginalName wrote: At this point voting vivax looks like a no lunch equivalent sinces posted exactly once and hasnt voted so modkill ho on that regard, I'm prob gonna swap to chezinu unless he pops in with a superb last minute post.
why is swapping to Chezinu considered not a no-lynch alternative?
Because chez fulfilled activity rules at the time whil3 at time of post vivax hadnt.
Altho 'i had spoopy reasons for afking and suddenly last minute avoiding modkill is suspect af especially when you dont even attempt to respond to the votes on you regardless.
On September 28 2018 07:32 OriginalName wrote: My conspiracy theory is that koshi threw vivax under the bus. Might not be true and it might be wait but my gut says that.
IT IS NOW BUS BOIS. I have 0 reasons to think Vivax is mafia. I have never in this game gave 1 reason why Vivax is mafia.
(1) Grack filter is the least flowy / consistent (2a) Grack momentum on me, came at an awkward time in relation to vivax. (2b) Conversion gets bonus points for commenting on Grack disregarding half my filter (3) When commenting on vivax first post, I didnt consider he could have been interested in Koshi calling me/grack mafia.. because one of us is his team mate
Koshi, I like ON and is there a possibility you are butthurt cos he mentioned you in a conspriacy theory?
On September 28 2018 23:12 Koshi wrote: You are dropping low in a list of mine Mocsta. Not yet sure which one.
Its ok you keep dropping lower on mine too. Theres a lot of posts up there but the most substance you can come up with is reiterating the you werent aggro enough argument early and then the second i turn the aggression up you basically go "NO I AM THE TOWNIEST TOWN WHO TOWNED" you can catagorically deny and laugh at any theory i have but at no point do you rebute it. Especially when the whole point is that voting Vivax is of minimal proof of townieness considering that I basically was (as you pointed out) saying i suspected chez but never voted him. However considering how pathetic that second vivax post was (as ive said before) there was really no reason to switch off him when he came back last minute.
So i ask this if I hadnt waffled and moved to chez would you have moved as well or would you have stayed on vivax?
In what world does antagonizing my scumbuddy Mocsta make sense if I was defending my scumbuddy Chezinu yesterday?
In world does that unhinged rant count as a response to what I said. Which is within the realm of possibility esp. Considering vivaxs throwaway vote against you?
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On September 29 2018 00:20 prplhz wrote: is this 6/2/1 or 6/3?
6/3 seems like, town only has one mislynch or something unless they're stacked with vets or whatever.
If moc is actually a vig its prob 7/2 and hes our only power role and if we have another its a cop which considering maf is likely gf/rb is useless atm
Still lynching ON lol. What a terrible rant on someone who lynched mafia. Was it ON that also said there'd be no reason for a bus this early too or was that someone else?
On September 29 2018 00:32 Holyflare wrote: Still lynching ON lol. What a terrible rant on someone who lynched mafia. Was it ON that also said there'd be no reason for a bus this early too or was that someone else?
Nah it was conversion. Still though, liked Koshi's points enough. Going from ON's contradiction or whatever to voting vivax out of the blue is really bold but it was done in such an awkward way that it was very likely a mafia distancing thing.
On September 29 2018 00:32 Holyflare wrote: Still lynching ON lol. What a terrible rant on someone who lynched mafia. Was it ON that also said there'd be no reason for a bus this early too or was that someone else?
why would mafia push hard on conspiracy theorirs night 1.
Town are the one with thr polarizing opinions that are also poorly timed.
On September 29 2018 00:32 Holyflare wrote: Still lynching ON lol. What a terrible rant on someone who lynched mafia. Was it ON that also said there'd be no reason for a bus this early too or was that someone else?
Nah it was conversion. Still though, liked Koshi's points enough. Going from ON's contradiction or whatever to voting vivax out of the blue is really bold but it was done in such an awkward way that it was very likely a mafia distancing thing.
im willing to be convinced but am not there at this junction.
On had viax vote from first 24hrs. I completely get hesitating on chez
Koshi said it best Hes acting toi mafia to be mafia
In this situation why cant a town keep it on the low activity vivax?
What actual diff is there between kosji jumping on vivax vs. ON??
Because I could have parked on Chez and disappear. Instead I re evaluated and voted Vivax. Claiming I was the smartest of em all and posting why votes should go to Vivax and not Chez.
ON did the exact opposite. He voted Vivax. Kept evaluated that he should go to Chezinu instead. Called people on the Vivax train mafia trying to misslynch town Vivax. Then when the lynch came closer but still unflipped it was a double buss.
I'm not seeing the value in me shooting Mocsta tho. Like its a good move if me and koshi are both town cause we are at each other's throats and it makes a ML easy. If one of us is maf it hella favors koshi cause mix was medium defending me. The other reason being why would i shoot the alleged vig who was going to shoot the guy pushing me hardest. With in intreasts of trying not to tunnel Im not sold on koshi shooting him either it just seems too obvious and considering my last bout of paranoia cause i dont like his posting style was while maybe not dumb but not exactly smart either id say it was someone else trying.to create some chaos.
On September 30 2018 00:08 OriginalName wrote: I'm not seeing the value in me shooting Mocsta tho. Like its a good move if me and koshi are both town cause we are at each other's throats and it makes a ML easy. If one of us is maf it hella favors koshi cause mix was medium defending me. The other reason being why would i shoot the alleged vig who was going to shoot the guy pushing me hardest. With in intreasts of trying not to tunnel Im not sold on koshi shooting him either it just seems too obvious and considering my last bout of paranoia cause i dont like his posting style was while maybe not dumb but not exactly smart either id say it was someone else trying.to create some chaos.
On September 30 2018 00:08 OriginalName wrote: I'm not seeing the value in me shooting Mocsta tho. Like its a good move if me and koshi are both town cause we are at each other's throats and it makes a ML easy. If one of us is maf it hella favors koshi cause mix was medium defending me. The other reason being why would i shoot the alleged vig who was going to shoot the guy pushing me hardest. With in intreasts of trying not to tunnel Im not sold on koshi shooting him either it just seems too obvious and considering my last bout of paranoia cause i dont like his posting style was while maybe not dumb but not exactly smart either id say it was someone else trying.to create some chaos.
My current nr 2 is HF or Chez.
Chez is pretty self explanatory but the only things that really sticks out to me about HF is the I wouldve sheeped on vivax post and the "you should look deeper into me (hf) conversion and prplhz" post which seems kinda like hes trying to shift attention to them.
On September 28 2018 22:51 Mocsta wrote: ok dipshits
im voting Grackeroni tomorrow
(1) Grack filter is the least flowy / consistent (2a) Grack momentum on me, came at an awkward time in relation to vivax. (2b) Conversion gets bonus points for commenting on Grack disregarding half my filter (3) When commenting on vivax first post, I didnt consider he could have been interested in Koshi calling me/grack mafia.. because one of us is his team mate
Koshi, I like ON and is there a possibility you are butthurt cos he mentioned you in a conspriacy theory?
No I actually changed the kill while you were town reading me. At first I wanted to kill off Vivax voters and I figured Koshi was too likely to be protected and ON seemed like a less likely busser to me than prplhz.
When Koshi/ON started accusing each other I thought I'd go the other direction and line up kills on you and then HF and see if people get paranoid about a Vivax bus.
On September 26 2018 09:48 Chezinu wrote: 7) unizehC - refusing to claim town
Hi Mocsta,
I looked up that acronym. I was not a pleasant read, but it going to be ok!
I also believe that you have spelled my name backwards in that post there.
Also, it seems the description by the bolded name was the same descriptiong I wrote by a bolded name in my list. In fact, that name was yours! OHHHH I GETS IT!!! You are stating it was backwards of me to make a statemenet about you but not apply it to me when there is a possibly in your eyes that I could be refusing to claim as well..
Well.. We can totally flip that if you want. I can be town.
btw, i found this hillarious.
That acronym was not my intent.. i was going with "fixed that for you" lol
I might have opted for a Miller or framer myself. Neither of which are on the role list though.
I prefer a false red check that gets everyone involved and causes havoc than a false green check that a cop gets and then sits on. Makes for a better spectacle.
I did some research before choosing the set-up so it wasn't just picked on a whim.
This set-up was fairly balanced and tested so I was happy to run it. I think it is fair that mafia has to overcome some sort of town power to win the game. Role hunting or a fake claim.
A miller would be the only change I'd consider, maybe have roleblocker targets not be notified. Some small change like that.