I've been reading through past mafia games on here as, like, an introduction to how this usually goes and I have to admit feeling like I'm going to be in way over my head against you veterans. Either that or my n00bie fresh eyes will give me the ultimate advantage.
On March 02 2019 10:08 Fecalfeast wrote: Vote me for mayor. I will be the arbiter of truth and justice
I'm sorry but your username would bring the office into disrepute.
Surely you jest. I am a well respected member of the community at large. Discrimination and prejudice based on choice of moniker disreputable in and of itself.
99% of my comments are in jest. Jesters are important as they remind kings and nobility of their mortality, fallibility and humanity. Kings fart just the same as the rest of us.
Is it me or is meapak throwing suspicion around without actually trying to get any information? Looks like that is the only story of the last couple of pages
On March 02 2019 11:13 Jockmcplop wrote: Is it me or is meapak throwing suspicion around without actually trying to get any information? Looks like that is the only story of the last couple of pages
Oh my god information is exactly what I'm trying to get lol. Conversion has decided that he's not interested in answering my questions and has deflected instead.
Sure you asked the question once, but you seemed pretty happy to derail and then change the object of your suspicion, that's all I'm saying.
On March 02 2019 11:13 Jockmcplop wrote: Is it me or is meapak throwing suspicion around without actually trying to get any information? Looks like that is the only story of the last couple of pages
Which posts do you mean here? the stuff about Conversion or LS or earlier?
Well he always seems to use a question to imply suspicion, but doesn't press for an answer to the question afterwards and is happy to argue about his own motivations instead.
On March 02 2019 10:33 LightningStrike wrote: Me and Damdred aren't masons even though I wish we were masons
Y u say this?
This is the most suspicious thing in the game.
What I said or what LS said?
Again using a simple one line question to imply suspicion on LS.
The he changes up and goes after conversion, again by asking a simple question deigned to imply suspicion, this time implying suspicion whilst claiming to assume no suspicion:
On March 02 2019 10:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: What does it matter who he picked and why if he isn't actually mafia?
lol who says he's not mafia?
u said you thought he was BSing in that post, so why did you care how he chose people? especially since it was almost certainly completely arbitrary
I mean I doubt he just gave up the entire scum team (which is why I said it was probably BS) but I certainly don't think he's somehow cleared. I'm even more interested now since he has apparently read my poking at him as me thinking I've got an "ironclad case"
Then all of a sudden he really starts pushing the 'suspicion' angle again contradicting his claimthat he thinks it was BS by saying its a safe mafia move to make that kind of post.
On March 02 2019 10:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: What does it matter who he picked and why if he isn't actually mafia?
lol who says he's not mafia?
is your ironclad case of me being mafia the fact that I threw 6 random names as mafia?
On March 02 2019 10:55 Chezinu wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:50 Holyflare wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:45 Tumblewood wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:33 LightningStrike wrote: Me and Damdred aren't masons even though I wish we were masons
Y u say this?
This is the most suspicious thing in the game.
nuh uh this is
On March 02 2019 10:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:41 Conversion wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:41 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] So you saying Trfel lied about being mafia earlier?
yeah we should lynch him for lying tbh
Hmm.
I'm gonna go with the assumption that you're just BSing. But I wanna know why you picked those specific players for you scum team?
I can get behind this case. Absolutely.
Holyflare,
Corporate has heard of your desires to be included in the case concerning Conversion. You are now lead investigator on the manner. The executive committee is proud of your high quality work that has been done in such a short amount of time. I am confident that you will perform well in this investigation.
Go forth!
Chezinu Isunizehc
I don't think he's casing me unless I'm reading his quote wrong
I wonder where you read me having an ironclad case on you.
riddle me this: if you believe me to be mafia, in what world would my first post in a rather dull thread be exposing any of my teammates? if you were to believe I was mafia, as a townie you wouldn't care about my list as you'd have to believe I'm playing against mafia win condition by unnecessarily exposing my teammates for a joke post that wasn't even funny
if you believe I am town, then the order doesn't matter cause I'm just making a dumb joke
This is literally all WIFOM lol. Do we still say that around here?
Personally, because of Trfel already (presumably) fake claiming scum in the thread, your "dumb joke" strikes me as a fairly safe entry type post for someone who is scum. I wanted to see what reasons you had for your list since scum often have a habit of including one or two of their teammates in lists like that. And if nothing else you talking about your list could spark a little conversation.
After this he drops the thing and goes back to suspecting LS..
All the while the town has gained nothing but a couple of pages of contradictions and random looking suspicion.
On March 02 2019 14:57 iamperfection wrote: like if he is mafia he did make a mess of those first few pages
Awkward Mafia is awkward?
I see where you are coming from, but personally he is still my strongest scum read.
What do you make of ppl like Jock, Grack, and Mr Wiggles?
2 havent really posted might as well ask me about someone who hasnt posted yet.
Jockstrap had a post i didnt like
To be fair I went on to explain myself as fully as I could.
So far I have: Slight mafia read: MZ - (already explained) acrofales - I have a very slight spidey sense but if he's mafia he doesn't know how to play this game cos goddamn that would be obvious. Then again he could be double bluffing. If he's not going to post any more for a while then I'm suspicious. EXO - Seems to be wanting to post stuff that has no importance to town goals or being deliberately obscure which doesn't help either.
Slight town: Rsoultin - only slight because I have read through previous games but seems to be genuinely trying to help the town chezinu - His RP is entertaining but never struck me as out of place and since then has settled in to gathering. This just seems townish to me.
Rayn sticks out to me but I'm not sure why. I'm keeping an eye on his future posting but its not enough for me to have a read on him at all.
On March 02 2019 17:36 ExO_ wrote: I am playing -- is my playstyle that much to your disliking that you want to go down this road?
Do you have anything at all you want to say in a format that we can understand or is game related?
On March 02 2019 20:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Jockmcplop can you explain to me why you don't have a read on me (or whatever sticks out means here?) when my top scumread atm is your top scumread for basically the same reasons which i stated before you did?
I think its your posting style more than anything. Our reads are the same but that doesn't mean anything if you're being objective about it. Instinctively I read you very town but something about the way you post bugs me enough to want to see a bit more before I read.
I've gotta go off to do some chores I'll see you lot in a few hours.
As an aside, did anyone else really struggle not to edit their posts in their first games? I post alot on tl and I'm always editing. I may get modkilled if I play after a couple of drinks.
On March 03 2019 00:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Stale takes by this point but I have town reads on TT and myself and I'm behind vigging Exo
@rsoultin I'm pretty sure Chez shitposts in every thread regardless of alignment. What makes him scum in this particular case?
you haven't read your role pm but you have a town read on yourself
Someone said that they were suspicious of imp, I'm now down with it.
I'm not suspicious of him but the way he always replies to people without quoting them annoys me greatly. I think it might be a tactic to make filters less useful.
I don't wanna be focusing all on one guy but MZ is contradicting himself again while bringing up the same old discussion that derailed the first 2 pages.
On March 02 2019 22:39 Vivax wrote: Trfels posts on this page read to me like a bit of minimum effort "scumhunting" coupled with sucking up to rsoultin when poked.
I think you might be reading to much into it? Didn't seem like he was trying to suck it up to Tina at least to me.
No? How come he just agrees lazily without even looking up what rso was talking about and realizing that what she "pointed out" wasn't even about Tubesock who mistakenly thought he was being mentioned.
What? That's actually strictly false because I did do that. But it doesn't matter because Tubesock thought he wad being mentioned, so it doesn't matter that it wasn't even about him.
So you don't agree with rso any more?
On March 03 2019 00:19 Conversion wrote: As rayn said, his scum read on me is that I am trailing 2 of my mafia buddies in there as some sort of strategy, and when I specified the reason in the earlier quote [quote=Conversion]is your ironclad case of me being mafia the fact that I threw 6 random names as mafia?
, he nitpicked my use of the word ironclad and ran with it. So I dropped it, found him suspicious, and moved on
[b]There is to date no official scumread from MZ on you. MZ wanted to know why those names cause if you are maybe mafia then you mixed in a few buddies in there. Don't ask me how he would have analyzed an answer if you gave it to him.
Jesus fuck thank you lol. I started this yesterday just to get information. Calling someone confirmed scum off their first post in the thread is retarded. Did I find conversion's first post suspect? Yes. Did I want more information and to get him to talk more? Yes. In a way it worked but I don't understand why he keeps spinning it as me calling him scum. I'm not even voting for him rn yet you'd think I was about to drop the lynch hammer vote on him. His defensiveness is more suspicious than anything. [/QUOTE]
That would be fair enough but then 20 minutes later who should turn up on his list but conversion, the same guy he just claimed not to be scumreading.
[B]On March 03 2019 03:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Aight I'm probably still drunk but I'm caught up with the thread.
I hated that third dude who scum claimed as his thread entry, that makes him, trfel, and conversion.
I Don't like iamp's constant questions and no reads, there are also a few others who are doing that as well but iamp is the most obvious.
I'm still running for mayor so vote me and I'll lynch one of the three people who claimed scum with their first post
Gonna take a nap
Then he says he's drunk which could be true but reads as a get out clause and says he's leaving for a while.
That's definitely the strongest mafia read I've had so far.
On March 03 2019 03:39 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't wanna be focusing all on one guy but MZ is contradicting himself again while bringing up the same old discussion that derailed the first 2 pages.
On March 03 2019 03:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 03 2019 00:32 Vivax wrote:
On March 03 2019 00:25 Trfel wrote:
On March 02 2019 23:36 Vivax wrote:
On March 02 2019 23:25 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 02 2019 22:39 Vivax wrote: Trfels posts on this page read to me like a bit of minimum effort "scumhunting" coupled with sucking up to rsoultin when poked.
I think you might be reading to much into it? Didn't seem like he was trying to suck it up to Tina at least to me.
No? How come he just agrees lazily without even looking up what rso was talking about and realizing that what she "pointed out" wasn't even about Tubesock who mistakenly thought he was being mentioned.
What? That's actually strictly false because I did do that. But it doesn't matter because Tubesock thought he wad being mentioned, so it doesn't matter that it wasn't even about him.
So you don't agree with rso any more?
[b]There is to date no official scumread from MZ on you. MZ wanted to know why those names cause if you are maybe mafia then you mixed in a few buddies in there. Don't ask me how he would have analyzed an answer if you gave it to him.
Jesus fuck thank you lol. I started this yesterday just to get information. Calling someone confirmed scum off their first post in the thread is retarded. Did I find conversion's first post suspect? Yes. Did I want more information and to get him to talk more? Yes. In a way it worked but I don't understand why he keeps spinning it as me calling him scum. I'm not even voting for him rn yet you'd think I was about to drop the lynch hammer vote on him. His defensiveness is more suspicious than anything.
That would be fair enough but then 20 minutes later who should turn up on his list but conversion, the same guy he just claimed not to be scumreading.
[B]On March 03 2019 03:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Aight I'm probably still drunk but I'm caught up with the thread.
I hated that third dude who scum claimed as his thread entry, that makes him, trfel, and conversion.
I Don't like iamp's constant questions and no reads, there are also a few others who are doing that as well but iamp is the most obvious.
I'm still running for mayor so vote me and I'll lynch one of the three people who claimed scum with their first post
Gonna take a nap
Then he says he's drunk which could be true but reads as a get out clause and says he's leaving for a while.
That's definitely the strongest mafia read I've had so far.
What do you see as the difference between MZ and Conversion both bringing up that convo again?
The first posts of MZ don't call Conversion scum correctly, Conversion posts some more, MZ says he doesn't like the defensiveness, and then he ends up on the list.
He was already contradicting himself in the early posts and now he seems intent on continuing that argument that clearly went nowhere and didn't help the town in any way.
It was only 20 minutes between him saying he still wasn't scumreading conversion and then scumreading him, and conversion didn't post in that period.
On March 03 2019 04:31 Alakaslam wrote: It’a high time Rayn focused me down or I caught him
Is this from a meta read on him?
Largely, yes, not entirely but how did you know?
You mentioned earlier a lack of aggression compared to usual. What else are you basing your suspicion from?
His baseless suspicion of me. I am low hanging fruit to a lot of players here, including Rayn. As town, most people know to pretty much ignore me early on, especially if I am doing the pure flavor stuff I was.
Yet I was a target all of a sudden.
That is a weaker case than the meta read though as I was unusual here.
On March 03 2019 05:17 Tumblewood wrote: ok i have finally caught up. herein lies the deal: + Show Spoiler [acrofales] +
On March 02 2019 16:17 Acrofales wrote: I just started reading and 3 pages in stopped again. From this point onwards, I will be operating on a lynch all liars policy, because holy shit, mafia claims are the dumbest things I have ever seen. So yeah. Claim mafia beyond this point and I'll assume it's the truth. I also refuse to read anything else up to here, unless someone specifically points me somewhere in the first 23 pages worth reading.
Now can we keep the postcount reasonable? This isn't a mini, and I'm going sailing all weekend and have a deadline on Monday.
On March 02 2019 17:14 rsoultin wrote: It means you're doing the things you know I look for when I'm trying to get a read on you, which you've admitted to doing as mafia when I'm in a game. So while it makes me want to townread you I can't be as sure as I'd like to be :/
It's mostly tonal with Trfel. Seems really stiff at the start of the game with LS, even disregarding the smilies. There's a caveat here that I think will work itself out before EoD, though.
i like the caveat part of this post because it shows some real gears turning behind the reads. everything else from her has been whatever (i will be interested eventually in what the caveat is)
the way he entered the thread paints a target on his back in such a pointless and ridiculous way that it seems unlikely from mafia. however i hate it so i will be postponing townread until actual contribution
On March 02 2019 10:01 Trfel wrote: Hi, I am mafia
Cool who are your buddies?
Can't you just check the QT?
Also, to unvote in the mayor election you unmayor someone? That sounds pretty crazy xD And before anyone asks the inevitable question, there are seven mafia in the game, so we don't have to argue about it, cool?
No self respecting town person reads setup.
You're mafia.
This is outstanding analysis and I agree with it 100%
Meh, HF's post is NAI for me (seems more like a general poke, than a real accusation) but my gut really seems to think Meap is mafia all the more for this.
On March 02 2019 10:08 Fecalfeast wrote: Vote me for mayor. I will be the arbiter of truth and justice
But how do we know that you're town here?
For anyone to know that I'm town at this point, that person would have to be scum. I'm here to find scum and lynch them, not prove that I'm town by any means that aren't incidental to my stated goals.
Do you know if youre town?
This is prob just kus Rayn and I have very different personalities/outlooks, but these sort of questions bug me. It's really an accusation that FF is slipping that he is actually mafia, but it's very implied that FF means "anyone else" as he is unlikely to be thinking about his own position. So probably just a weak poke from Rayn, but I dislike. Mostly kus what sort of response do you expect from this question? How can it help you?
Meap seems very Mafia to me on this page, he even does this "Guide me Senpai" thing with HF that I hate. + Show Spoiler +
On March 02 2019 10:01 Trfel wrote: Hi, I am mafia
Cool who are your buddies?
Can't you just check the QT?
Also, to unvote in the mayor election you unmayor someone? That sounds pretty crazy xD And before anyone asks the inevitable question, there are seven mafia in the game, so we don't have to argue about it, cool?
No self respecting town person reads setup.
You're mafia.
He already claimed mafia though didn't you read the opening of the game?
No self respecting townie reads the whole thread.
Sheeeeiiiit this is more quality analysis I can get behind
Is lightingstrike scum too HF?
Gut wants me to vote Meap, so vote Meap I shall.
the commentary on meapak is just not good. i have no idea how he gets a scumread out of the first quoted post, and the second is strange because he attributes HF's post as a likely joke but not meapak's even though he is just affirming HF's joke. also the fact that this is labeled as a gut read despite giving reasoning anyway. i do like this though:
On March 02 2019 14:44 Tictock wrote: Willing to give solid townleans on Trefl and LS, and a minor townlean on Damdred thus far. I've also got a bit of a gutread on FF at this point, but I'm not sharing it yet.
i came into this thinking i was gonna make a scum case on him but after actually reading the rest of his walls of text i'm not feeling it anymore. nothing else gives me the sketchy feeling
he seems very image conscious in his posts on meapak
On March 02 2019 11:13 Jockmcplop wrote: Is it me or is meapak throwing suspicion around without actually trying to get any information? Looks like that is the only story of the last couple of pages
On March 03 2019 03:39 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't wanna be focusing all on one guy but MZ is contradicting himself again while bringing up the same old discussion that derailed the first 2 pages.
On March 02 2019 20:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Jockmcplop can you explain to me why you don't have a read on me (or whatever sticks out means here?) when my top scumread atm is your top scumread for basically the same reasons which i stated before you did?
I think its your posting style more than anything. Our reads are the same but that doesn't mean anything if you're being objective about it. Instinctively I read you very town but something about the way you post bugs me enough to want to see a bit more before I read.
i feel that there is a though process going on behind this. this places jock merely on the watch list
in summary acro and jock are scumleans, everyone else listed is either townlean or town
So I'm under suspicion for my tone, rather than the content of my posts?
On March 03 2019 05:17 Tumblewood wrote: ok i have finally caught up. herein lies the deal: + Show Spoiler [acrofales] +
On March 02 2019 16:17 Acrofales wrote: I just started reading and 3 pages in stopped again. From this point onwards, I will be operating on a lynch all liars policy, because holy shit, mafia claims are the dumbest things I have ever seen. So yeah. Claim mafia beyond this point and I'll assume it's the truth. I also refuse to read anything else up to here, unless someone specifically points me somewhere in the first 23 pages worth reading.
Now can we keep the postcount reasonable? This isn't a mini, and I'm going sailing all weekend and have a deadline on Monday.
On March 02 2019 17:14 rsoultin wrote: It means you're doing the things you know I look for when I'm trying to get a read on you, which you've admitted to doing as mafia when I'm in a game. So while it makes me want to townread you I can't be as sure as I'd like to be :/
It's mostly tonal with Trfel. Seems really stiff at the start of the game with LS, even disregarding the smilies. There's a caveat here that I think will work itself out before EoD, though.
i like the caveat part of this post because it shows some real gears turning behind the reads. everything else from her has been whatever (i will be interested eventually in what the caveat is)
the way he entered the thread paints a target on his back in such a pointless and ridiculous way that it seems unlikely from mafia. however i hate it so i will be postponing townread until actual contribution
On March 02 2019 10:01 Trfel wrote: Hi, I am mafia
Cool who are your buddies?
Can't you just check the QT?
Also, to unvote in the mayor election you unmayor someone? That sounds pretty crazy xD And before anyone asks the inevitable question, there are seven mafia in the game, so we don't have to argue about it, cool?
No self respecting town person reads setup.
You're mafia.
This is outstanding analysis and I agree with it 100%
Meh, HF's post is NAI for me (seems more like a general poke, than a real accusation) but my gut really seems to think Meap is mafia all the more for this.
On March 02 2019 10:08 Fecalfeast wrote: Vote me for mayor. I will be the arbiter of truth and justice
But how do we know that you're town here?
For anyone to know that I'm town at this point, that person would have to be scum. I'm here to find scum and lynch them, not prove that I'm town by any means that aren't incidental to my stated goals.
Do you know if youre town?
This is prob just kus Rayn and I have very different personalities/outlooks, but these sort of questions bug me. It's really an accusation that FF is slipping that he is actually mafia, but it's very implied that FF means "anyone else" as he is unlikely to be thinking about his own position. So probably just a weak poke from Rayn, but I dislike. Mostly kus what sort of response do you expect from this question? How can it help you?
Meap seems very Mafia to me on this page, he even does this "Guide me Senpai" thing with HF that I hate. + Show Spoiler +
On March 02 2019 10:01 Trfel wrote: Hi, I am mafia
Cool who are your buddies?
Can't you just check the QT?
Also, to unvote in the mayor election you unmayor someone? That sounds pretty crazy xD And before anyone asks the inevitable question, there are seven mafia in the game, so we don't have to argue about it, cool?
No self respecting town person reads setup.
You're mafia.
He already claimed mafia though didn't you read the opening of the game?
No self respecting townie reads the whole thread.
Sheeeeiiiit this is more quality analysis I can get behind
Is lightingstrike scum too HF?
Gut wants me to vote Meap, so vote Meap I shall.
the commentary on meapak is just not good. i have no idea how he gets a scumread out of the first quoted post, and the second is strange because he attributes HF's post as a likely joke but not meapak's even though he is just affirming HF's joke. also the fact that this is labeled as a gut read despite giving reasoning anyway. i do like this though:
On March 02 2019 14:44 Tictock wrote: Willing to give solid townleans on Trefl and LS, and a minor townlean on Damdred thus far. I've also got a bit of a gutread on FF at this point, but I'm not sharing it yet.
i came into this thinking i was gonna make a scum case on him but after actually reading the rest of his walls of text i'm not feeling it anymore. nothing else gives me the sketchy feeling
he seems very image conscious in his posts on meapak
On March 02 2019 11:13 Jockmcplop wrote: Is it me or is meapak throwing suspicion around without actually trying to get any information? Looks like that is the only story of the last couple of pages
On March 03 2019 03:39 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't wanna be focusing all on one guy but MZ is contradicting himself again while bringing up the same old discussion that derailed the first 2 pages.
On March 02 2019 20:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Jockmcplop can you explain to me why you don't have a read on me (or whatever sticks out means here?) when my top scumread atm is your top scumread for basically the same reasons which i stated before you did?
I think its your posting style more than anything. Our reads are the same but that doesn't mean anything if you're being objective about it. Instinctively I read you very town but something about the way you post bugs me enough to want to see a bit more before I read.
i feel that there is a though process going on behind this. this places jock merely on the watch list
in summary acro and jock are scumleans, everyone else listed is either townlean or town
So I'm under suspicion for my tone, rather than the content of my posts?
i don't think i would call it tone exactly. it's how conscious you are of what other people will think of your alignment while you are stating your reads.
That doesn't seem like a particularly mafialike thing to me though. The first example isn't image conscious at all though. I guess I can see where you're coming from but I'll be posting alot for the next couple of days so you'll probably figure out I'm town sooner or later.
Just catching up now a couple of things are eye catching immediately.
I'd like to know what fecalfeast would do as mayor, specifically.
The only thing palmar has actually committed to is killing sent and I don't see the 'anti town' reasoning as particularly strong. It was only based off of a post or two.
Iamp is suspicious to me. He's posting alot of short, meaningless posts and is pointing out that he's 'obviously town' (if its obvious it doesn't need pointing out).
Oats is weird. I don't know if its just that he's fishing for info by making obviously wrong reads or trying to wind everyone up a bit. Some of his comments are very flamey with the whole 'triggered' thing. Seems like he's trying to obliquely control the conversation and then when everyone starts arguing he disappears.
On March 04 2019 04:10 Jockmcplop wrote: Just catching up now a couple of things are eye catching immediately.
I'd like to know what fecalfeast would do as mayor, specifically.
The only thing palmar has actually committed to is killing sent and I don't see the 'anti town' reasoning as particularly strong. It was only based off of a post or two.
Iamp is suspicious to me. He's posting alot of short, meaningless posts and is pointing out that he's 'obviously town' (if its obvious it doesn't need pointing out).
Oats is weird. I don't know if its just that he's fishing for info by making obviously wrong reads or trying to wind everyone up a bit. Some of his comments are very flamey with the whole 'triggered' thing. Seems like he's trying to obliquely control the conversation and then when everyone starts arguing he disappears.
Townreads at the moment:
LS Rsoultin Acrofales HF
are u saying this because you have reasons or because holyflare said so
On March 04 2019 04:10 Jockmcplop wrote: Just catching up now a couple of things are eye catching immediately.
I'd like to know what fecalfeast would do as mayor, specifically.
The only thing palmar has actually committed to is killing sent and I don't see the 'anti town' reasoning as particularly strong. It was only based off of a post or two.
Iamp is suspicious to me. He's posting alot of short, meaningless posts and is pointing out that he's 'obviously town' (if its obvious it doesn't need pointing out).
Oats is weird. I don't know if its just that he's fishing for info by making obviously wrong reads or trying to wind everyone up a bit. Some of his comments are very flamey with the whole 'triggered' thing. Seems like he's trying to obliquely control the conversation and then when everyone starts arguing he disappears.
Townreads at the moment:
LS Rsoultin Acrofales HF
are u saying this because you have reasons or because holyflare said so
Saying what?
the bolded part about oats' reads being obviously wrong
Ahh I missed the bold.
Uhh he started by basically calling every single person mafia based off a vote. Some stuff he says are assumptions that seem blatantly false: eg
town votes themselves for mayor, not town doesnt.
He wasted a bunch of time on this stuff for no reason unless he had something else in mind. Its less his focus on hf and more his semi random looking list of 'not town'.
On March 04 2019 04:10 Jockmcplop wrote: Just catching up now a couple of things are eye catching immediately.
I'd like to know what fecalfeast would do as mayor, specifically.
The only thing palmar has actually committed to is killing sent and I don't see the 'anti town' reasoning as particularly strong. It was only based off of a post or two.
Iamp is suspicious to me. He's posting alot of short, meaningless posts and is pointing out that he's 'obviously town' (if its obvious it doesn't need pointing out).
Oats is weird. I don't know if its just that he's fishing for info by making obviously wrong reads or trying to wind everyone up a bit. Some of his comments are very flamey with the whole 'triggered' thing. Seems like he's trying to obliquely control the conversation and then when everyone starts arguing he disappears.
Townreads at the moment:
LS Rsoultin Acrofales HF
Why are you townreading LS and Acrofales?
Acro His reads and votes seem sensible and well thought out. He seems pretty consistent about how he is judging people. He doesn't mind being the topic of conversation which doesn't strike me as very scumlike.
LS He's drawing far too much attention to himself. I think he's just having a laugh but again not in a scumlike way.
On March 04 2019 12:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Jock, if you're around, mind explaining that ninja vote on Oats? Your read 8 hours ago on him sounded cautious. What made you vote now?
Sorry I wasn't around but this is what I'm thinking:
Take a look a oats' filter. Nothing he posted really makes sense or seems to contribute much. I voted for him hoping he would come back and start playing a bit more with the rest of us to make it easier to get some kind of read. If not I'm still happy for him to go because he seems like a bit of a timewaster.
On March 04 2019 12:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Jock, if you're around, mind explaining that ninja vote on Oats? Your read 8 hours ago on him sounded cautious. What made you vote now?
Sorry I wasn't around but this is what I'm thinking:
Take a look a oats' filter. Nothing he posted really makes sense or seems to contribute much. I voted for him hoping he would come back and start playing a bit more with the rest of us to make it easier to get some kind of read. If not I'm still happy for him to go because he seems like a bit of a timewaster.
I think he contributes in his own way. Pretty much all his posts have reads in them. He isn’t trying super hard to convince people to kill his target (although he’s scumming Acro isn’t he?) but he’s still giving a lot more info in the form of reads over most of the game.
Those reads seem random and unexplained to me. Anyone can fire off a list of reads based on 'x stupid policy' or whatever but it doesn't help the rest of us at all unless you are some 12d chess playing mafia genius who can gaze into someone's soul through the medium of forum posts. Maybe he is contributing but so far all I can see that he's contributed to was a waste of a few pages when there were some other interesting conversations going on.
On March 04 2019 12:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Jock, if you're around, mind explaining that ninja vote on Oats? Your read 8 hours ago on him sounded cautious. What made you vote now?
Sorry I wasn't around but this is what I'm thinking:
Take a look a oats' filter. Nothing he posted really makes sense or seems to contribute much. I voted for him hoping he would come back and start playing a bit more with the rest of us to make it easier to get some kind of read. If not I'm still happy for him to go because he seems like a bit of a timewaster.
I think he contributes in his own way. Pretty much all his posts have reads in them. He isn’t trying super hard to convince people to kill his target (although he’s scumming Acro isn’t he?) but he’s still giving a lot more info in the form of reads over most of the game.
Those reads seem random and unexplained to me. Anyone can fire off a list of reads based on 'x stupid policy' or whatever but it doesn't help the rest of us at all unless you are some 12d chess playing mafia genius who can gaze into someone's soul through the medium of forum posts. Maybe he is contributing but so far all I can see that he's contributed to was a waste of a few pages when there were some other interesting conversations going on.
He’s definitely not making it easy to get in his head, I’ll give you that. I just don’t think lack of contributions alone makes you scum. While lots of contributions are more likely town. I like that it’s fairly easy to find a read from him and then later compare it to votes.
I was asked why I voted for him, and the main tagline there is that even if he isn't scum I don't think the town would miss him so its a pretty safe lynch. Unless he wants to come here and give me some good reasons not to vote for him.
There's also a tactical side to it as he already has some votes and I've townread acro who, in contrast to oats, could be useful as town. Acro is a much riskier lynch.
On March 04 2019 17:33 Acrofales wrote: Hey @jockmcplop:
You said this was your first game. Yet seem weirdly clued in to terminology as well as the game itself. I asked this before, but you never answered: where did you learn so fast?
I spent the last week reading guides, analyses and old games from here. The rest I'm picking up as I go along.
I'm an analyst for a living (analyitical chemistry) so I would imagine that gives me a good start when it comes to basic skills and objectivity.
On March 04 2019 12:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Jock, if you're around, mind explaining that ninja vote on Oats? Your read 8 hours ago on him sounded cautious. What made you vote now?
Sorry I wasn't around but this is what I'm thinking:
Take a look a oats' filter. Nothing he posted really makes sense or seems to contribute much. I voted for him hoping he would come back and start playing a bit more with the rest of us to make it easier to get some kind of read. If not I'm still happy for him to go because he seems like a bit of a timewaster.
I think he contributes in his own way. Pretty much all his posts have reads in them. He isn’t trying super hard to convince people to kill his target (although he’s scumming Acro isn’t he?) but he’s still giving a lot more info in the form of reads over most of the game.
Those reads seem random and unexplained to me. Anyone can fire off a list of reads based on 'x stupid policy' or whatever but it doesn't help the rest of us at all unless you are some 12d chess playing mafia genius who can gaze into someone's soul through the medium of forum posts. Maybe he is contributing but so far all I can see that he's contributed to was a waste of a few pages when there were some other interesting conversations going on.
So is Oats your leading wagon? Who you going to vote for?
On March 04 2019 12:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Jock, if you're around, mind explaining that ninja vote on Oats? Your read 8 hours ago on him sounded cautious. What made you vote now?
Sorry I wasn't around but this is what I'm thinking:
Take a look a oats' filter. Nothing he posted really makes sense or seems to contribute much. I voted for him hoping he would come back and start playing a bit more with the rest of us to make it easier to get some kind of read. If not I'm still happy for him to go because he seems like a bit of a timewaster.
I think he contributes in his own way. Pretty much all his posts have reads in them. He isn’t trying super hard to convince people to kill his target (although he’s scumming Acro isn’t he?) but he’s still giving a lot more info in the form of reads over most of the game.
Those reads seem random and unexplained to me. Anyone can fire off a list of reads based on 'x stupid policy' or whatever but it doesn't help the rest of us at all unless you are some 12d chess playing mafia genius who can gaze into someone's soul through the medium of forum posts. Maybe he is contributing but so far all I can see that he's contributed to was a waste of a few pages when there were some other interesting conversations going on.
So is Oats your leading wagon? Who you going to vote for?
Doh missed your vote. Anyway, I just think mafia cares more about what others think so would change up a little bit when he gets more heat.
What do you think of Trfel? I think he’s a piggybacker in the scum ways.
I think he needs to come here and explain himself a little more at some point.. My first impression is townie but not for any particular reason. I'll probably wait until he posts more, at least he doesn't seem to be doing any harm to town for now.
On March 04 2019 14:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Lean scum on Pandain for earlier weird commitment on Ace. I'd say solid vig target like MZ just said, and hell, just to introduce some WIFOM shoot him instead of me because I might be more likely to put in some effort at some point?
Statistically speaking I feel like there must be scum amongst the bigger voices this game. Doesn't feel like Iamp to me, and I can't read Holyflare basically ever. Not sure who that leaves but I figure I'll actually resort to a filter dive at some point.
HF is never scum here. If one of us is scum and the other isn't we tear each other apart. I'm not sure if both are scum...I can't remember playing scum with him but chipmunk memory.
It's actually super exciting lol >< it's been forever since we both rolled town.
And apart from the rsoul-focused reason, there's also how he handled the argument with rayn. Scum HF just keeps tearing and tearing, town HF backs off and tries to understand people after his stubborn argumentative streak is appeased. So.
I mostly agree with you.
Not sold on lamp. His main contribution is hounding me all game so far, so I know he is at least very very wrong. Still gotta figure out whether that's because he's being an idiot or just picked a target and stuck with it because it's easier as scum than actually reading the thread. Especially this huge one...
I think Iam's town. I thought he was town before his case on you. He's got this organic thing going when reacting to the thread. Also think it's a mischaracterization to say that he's not focused on anything else.
Agree with this. Also town iamp makes me laugh more than scum iamp I thinks? That's a lie fuck it I just like when he calls people names
This is simultaneously backtracking and sowing suspicion. I don't like it:
On March 04 2019 14:43 WaveofShadow wrote: My weakness is I often tie people's alignments to their reads of me but I can't help but be curious. Stuff like rsoul's read of me makes me lean scum on her because it feels like a massive cop-out when I know she's way more capable and at the very least could have taken the bad=scum route or formulated some opinion on my lacklustre performance thus far. It's real easy.
On March 04 2019 14:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Lean scum on Pandain for earlier weird commitment on Ace. I'd say solid vig target like MZ just said, and hell, just to introduce some WIFOM shoot him instead of me because I might be more likely to put in some effort at some point?
Statistically speaking I feel like there must be scum amongst the bigger voices this game. Doesn't feel like Iamp to me, and I can't read Holyflare basically ever. Not sure who that leaves but I figure I'll actually resort to a filter dive at some point.
HF is never scum here. If one of us is scum and the other isn't we tear each other apart. I'm not sure if both are scum...I can't remember playing scum with him but chipmunk memory.
It's actually super exciting lol >< it's been forever since we both rolled town.
And apart from the rsoul-focused reason, there's also how he handled the argument with rayn. Scum HF just keeps tearing and tearing, town HF backs off and tries to understand people after his stubborn argumentative streak is appeased. So.
Disagree with your points on HF entirely. HF is a free spirit and does more or less whatever the fuck he pleases as either alignment. Kinda like me :D
You can disagree. I'm not going to believe someone has a better read on him than me until they can prove it, though, cause my track record's actually pretty decent.
Especially not from someone who claims to never be able to read him.
That's exactly it--- I never claimed to be able to read him. I didn't call him scum, I'm just not bothering entirely. I'm definitely not calling him town though.
On March 04 2019 12:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Jock, if you're around, mind explaining that ninja vote on Oats? Your read 8 hours ago on him sounded cautious. What made you vote now?
Sorry I wasn't around but this is what I'm thinking:
Take a look a oats' filter. Nothing he posted really makes sense or seems to contribute much. I voted for him hoping he would come back and start playing a bit more with the rest of us to make it easier to get some kind of read. If not I'm still happy for him to go because he seems like a bit of a timewaster.
I think he contributes in his own way. Pretty much all his posts have reads in them. He isn’t trying super hard to convince people to kill his target (although he’s scumming Acro isn’t he?) but he’s still giving a lot more info in the form of reads over most of the game.
Those reads seem random and unexplained to me. Anyone can fire off a list of reads based on 'x stupid policy' or whatever but it doesn't help the rest of us at all unless you are some 12d chess playing mafia genius who can gaze into someone's soul through the medium of forum posts. Maybe he is contributing but so far all I can see that he's contributed to was a waste of a few pages when there were some other interesting conversations going on.
So is Oats your leading wagon? Who you going to vote for?
Doh missed your vote. Anyway, I just think mafia cares more about what others think so would change up a little bit when he gets more heat.
What do you think of Trfel? I think he’s a piggybacker in the scum ways.
I think he needs to come here and explain himself a little more at some point.. My first impression is townie but not for any particular reason. I'll probably wait until he posts more, at least he doesn't seem to be doing any harm to town for now.
No harm? He’s jumped on threeish other peoples ideas to scum someone, and never bothered to look further in any of them, and dropped a vote on Oats who in the post earlier he defended as probably town. If anyone is skating by it’s him.
Do you still scumread me?
I have never scumread you. AFAIK I haven't even check your filter as of yet.
On March 04 2019 22:11 Palmar wrote: I'm also interested in people who do not want to lynch Conversion and why.
Well he's gone quiet recently which is a bit interesting but in that early exchange MZ came across much more scumlike to me. He was poking but in a weird way and conversion reacted defending himself.
On March 04 2019 22:11 Palmar wrote: I'm also interested in people who do not want to lynch Conversion and why.
Well he's gone quiet recently which is a bit interesting but in that early exchange MZ came across much more scumlike to me. He was poking but in a weird way and conversion reacted defending himself.
What are you actually saying here?
Are you going to take your vote off oats?
I'm just answering the question directly as to why i don't want to lynch conversion.
On March 04 2019 22:11 Palmar wrote: I'm also interested in people who do not want to lynch Conversion and why.
Well he's gone quiet recently which is a bit interesting but in that early exchange MZ came across much more scumlike to me. He was poking but in a weird way and conversion reacted defending himself.
Okay but did you read my point, how he's asking a question that can be figured out in 3 mouse clicks and basing his game on that?
Vivax put it nicely.
Both yours and vivax's points make sense i gotta say.
Thing is, I can't see two mafia guys getting into it so early and my case against MZ:
On March 04 2019 22:11 Palmar wrote: I'm also interested in people who do not want to lynch Conversion and why.
Well he's gone quiet recently which is a bit interesting but in that early exchange MZ came across much more scumlike to me. He was poking but in a weird way and conversion reacted defending himself.
Okay but did you read my point, how he's asking a question that can be figured out in 3 mouse clicks and basing his game on that?
Vivax put it nicely.
Both yours and vivax's points make sense i gotta say.
Thing is, I can't see two mafia guys getting into it so early and my case against MZ:
On March 05 2019 00:30 Vivax wrote: I think you should cancel the flight, go to a coffee shop and try something else than what you've been smoking so far.
Who the fuck is supposed to be mafia on the Palmar for mayor wagon?
On March 05 2019 00:30 Vivax wrote: I think you should cancel the flight, go to a coffee shop and try something else than what you've been smoking so far.
Who the fuck is supposed to be mafia on the Palmar for mayor wagon?
On March 05 2019 00:30 Vivax wrote: I think you should cancel the flight, go to a coffee shop and try something else than what you've been smoking so far.
Who the fuck is supposed to be mafia on the Palmar for mayor wagon?
MZ. Possibly Wave.
Thanks HF.
Wait.
Who the fuck are you again?
Regarding this post.
It isn't supposed to say "fuck you you're new here and I don't want to talk to you".
It's supposed to say "why are you answering for HF".
You've gone oddly silent since and I wanted to make it clear I have no qualms whatsoever if you chime in.
no worries. I was on my way home from work... I wasn't trying to answer for hf as much as just chiming in i guess.
On March 05 2019 02:53 Koshi wrote: Oats is also not worthy to be lynched because he is making good posts. Nobody knows who mafia is but we can only try to find them in our fragmented little world we live in.
Oats is not a good lynch.
Why do you think he was making horrible posts before and good posts now?
I don't get the palmar kill. I get why hf would say he's going to lynch palmar but I really thought he was going to go on something stronger than 'Well I said I would' when deciding who to kill. He had already got himself a ton of info, could have got even more by killing someone else.
My townread on rsoultin is fading fast. Something about the way she kickstarted the trfel train and the got out of the way at the last second.
On March 05 2019 17:55 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't get the palmar kill. I get why hf would say he's going to lynch palmar but I really thought he was going to go on something stronger than 'Well I said I would' when deciding who to kill. He had already got himself a ton of info, could have got even more by killing someone else.
My townread on rsoultin is fading fast. Something about the way she kickstarted the trfel train and the got out of the way at the last second.
That's fair. I think I look bad, too xD
I will say though that all this 'I didn't think he'd do what he said he would' stuff is pretty blah. HF did it. Figure out what that makes him. This just reads like you don't want to be associated with the flip.
This is exactly what I intend to do. What are you thinking about hf currently?
On March 05 2019 17:55 Jockmcplop wrote: I get why hf would say he's going to lynch palmar but I really thought he was going to go on something stronger than 'Well I said I would' when deciding who to kill. He had already got himself a ton of info, could have got even more by killing someone else.
Who? And what info would that have given?
What did we get from palmar's lynch? HF is playing a game I don't yet understand I think. It was surely a huge risk lynching palmar cos hf is likely to get killed tonight (given what I've read so far any way). He could have achieved the same results lynching one of palmar's wagon - maybe even BH without as much of the risk to himself - and the mafia reaction would have been easier to gain info from than now..
Rsoul making damn sure we don't forget she's been wrong about lots of things. I'm keeping an eye on this.
On March 05 2019 17:55 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't get the palmar kill. I get why hf would say he's going to lynch palmar but I really thought he was going to go on something stronger than 'Well I said I would' when deciding who to kill. He had already got himself a ton of info, could have got even more by killing someone else.
My townread on rsoultin is fading fast. Something about the way she kickstarted the trfel train and the got out of the way at the last second.
That's fair. I think I look bad, too xD
I will say though that all this 'I didn't think he'd do what he said he would' stuff is pretty blah. HF did it. Figure out what that makes him. This just reads like you don't want to be associated with the flip.
This is exactly what I intend to do. What are you thinking about hf currently?
Him lynching Palmar changes absolutely nothing for me lol >< I am not the sort of idiot who thinks that someone being wrong makes them scum, or that going after a 'top town player if he's town' makes them scum (biased here cause I know I'm town but whatevs).
I'm willing to admit that I could be wrong on him just like any other player, but I still think how he's played and how he interacted with rayn in particular when they were fighting comes from a town HF. And I'd like to be right about something so there's that lol ><
I don't know if he was 'wrong' about palmar or uncommitted to any POV and just playing some other game. That's how it reads to me anyway. That isn't a town or mafia read yet so much as a wtf. Many of his interactions seem townie and I'm leaning that way at the moment.
On March 05 2019 18:29 rsoultin wrote: i'm done with you acro. go back to something interesting, if you can manage it. calling your maybes in your reads list bad was a good start
@jock uhhuh...yeah i don't get how you read this game and claim that hf didn't have a scumread on palmar that he made overwhelmingly clear multiple times including his intention to use the mayor lynch to vote him. if your uncommitted to any pov is your way of saying he's scum i guess that makes some sense but it's a lot of words just to nullread someone
At one point he said he wasn't going to lynch palmar and was just using the platform to find out who would go for it. The he said that was a lie. This is the post that is making me question his motives and how genuine his palmar read was.
On March 05 2019 18:29 rsoultin wrote: i'm done with you acro. go back to something interesting, if you can manage it. calling your maybes in your reads list bad was a good start
@jock uhhuh...yeah i don't get how you read this game and claim that hf didn't have a scumread on palmar that he made overwhelmingly clear multiple times including his intention to use the mayor lynch to vote him. if your uncommitted to any pov is your way of saying he's scum i guess that makes some sense but it's a lot of words just to nullread someone
At one point he said he wasn't going to lynch palmar and was just using the platform to find out who would go for it. The he said that was a lie. This is the post that is making me question his motives and how genuine his palmar read was.
-squints at- are you referring to the thing he said right at deadline cause that negates my point not at all for everyone who was voting HF for mayor. i missed it if he said anything like that earlier
On March 05 2019 06:20 sicklucker wrote: na I need a confirmation too many rambos on this site who will shot vivax day 1 and waste are shit or something
Iamp is advocating to lynch bh constantly. It is our best bet.
Palmar tje fucker will shoot sentinel because palmar might be mafia.
Holyflare will shoot Palmar because town!HF is not really top tier and he doesnt know better.
On March 05 2019 06:20 sicklucker wrote: na I need a confirmation too many rambos on this site who will shot vivax day 1 and waste are shit or something
Iamp is advocating to lynch bh constantly. It is our best bet.
Palmar tje fucker will shoot sentinel because palmar might be mafia.
Holyflare will shoot Palmar because town!HF is not really top tier and he doesnt know better.
On March 05 2019 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Whoever said Acrofales was trying to do something during EoD is completely wrong, he was never doing anything, that was just headless running from one place to another with no fucking direction.
He might be mafia, he kinda strongly said conversion was mafia right after the flip but then didn’t reference me at all once I’d started posting, thought it was a bit weird
Damn there goes my last hope that you somehow were town.
Don't worry though, I'll lynch HF with you cause I don't care about this game any more since he killed Palmar.
Are you saying that for people who care about the game lynching HF would be wrong?
What I like about hf's case here is that it shows that mocsta is fully getting behind one POV and then completely changing 180 more than once. That would suggest that it isn't the totality of someone's posting that is causing him to change his mind but other factors like voting scores, and looking 'aligned' to a certain group.
On March 05 2019 17:55 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't get the palmar kill. I get why hf would say he's going to lynch palmar but I really thought he was going to go on something stronger than 'Well I said I would' when deciding who to kill. He had already got himself a ton of info, could have got even more by killing someone else.
My townread on rsoultin is fading fast. Something about the way she kickstarted the trfel train and the got out of the way at the last second.
That's fair. I think I look bad, too xD
I will say though that all this 'I didn't think he'd do what he said he would' stuff is pretty blah. HF did it. Figure out what that makes him. This just reads like you don't want to be associated with the flip.
This is exactly what I intend to do. What are you thinking about hf currently?
Him lynching Palmar changes absolutely nothing for me lol >< I am not the sort of idiot who thinks that someone being wrong makes them scum, or that going after a 'top town player if he's town' makes them scum (biased here cause I know I'm town but whatevs).
I'm willing to admit that I could be wrong on him just like any other player, but I still think how he's played and how he interacted with rayn in particular when they were fighting comes from a town HF. And I'd like to be right about something so there's that lol ><
Neither of those things are why I want HF dead, btw.
What's the number one reason for wanting him dead?
Meapak - He still hasn't done anything to change my mind from the very beginning of the thread. If anything some of his later posts were worse. He seems to want to argue when its pointless and drops things when they are going somewhere.
WaveofShadow - He has a couple of okay posts but ignores his conclusions in favor of 'we should lynch hf because of what he did to palmar' which is a bit weak and seems like justification for failing to continue reading other posters.
Ace - There's just not very much here at the moment. There's just enough zero content posts to push him into scum territory.
Oats - Sometimes he posts well (nothing particularly insightful - but not unexpectedly awful), other times he's making similar posts but the logic is missing. Very strange and scummy.
Possible Scum:
Sent: His reads don't chime with what I'm thinking at all, and I can't see very many good explanations of what he's thinking.
rsoultin: Inconsistent logic and unexplained/unexplainable voting if townie.
rayn: I need to go back and look at his previous games but everyone's saying he's normally super aggressive and I don't get that vibe from him at the moment. This isn't really a read but a note to self to go check his meta.
Mocsta: I had a bad feeling about his early posting and hf's case makes sense.
------------- LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO I CAN'T READ YET
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Town: Acrofales: His posts are continuously pro town and useful.
Koshi: This guy makes me laugh so he's a townie. Fuck you if that doesn't make sense.
Vivax
Most people I haven't mentioned are town leans.
HF is playing a game I don't understand and I'm trying to work out what that is. If anyone has input it would be delightful.
Specifically from that 'will I/won't I' lynch palmar thing that briefly happened. I'm not ruling out that you were just having a laugh but it piqued my interest.
truffle = scumread, then his return feels townie = vote leading other wagon BH = think he'll probably flip town too
call for shennanies on Oneg
So, where are you getting lost exactly?
I'm not lost, I'm suspicious. It was explained in an exchange before about you jumping ship away from trfel at the last moment on a 'feeling', which you simultaneously decided was because you had been duped.
What changed your vote iirc wasn't trfel's return directly but another player's suggestion (i think hf) that trfel was townie. It was a following move which seemed in anticipation of something, or because of group alignment rather than a read.
I can perfectly well understand suddenly having a feeling like that a crucial moment in a vote, it happens, but it seems a little out of character when all of your other reads were explainable using facts, or a user's posts.
Looking through your filter, every time you have town read someone you have quoted something they have posted and given a reason why that post makes you town read them. Usually this process makes sense but then with trfel we get this:
On March 05 2019 08:32 Trfel wrote: STILL NO ONE HAS SAID A SINGLE THING TO ME
NOT ONE EXPLANATION OF WHY I AM MAFIA NOT ONE QUESTION NOTHING
Do you realize what is happening? If I'm lynched, fine, whatever, but someone acknowledge my existence please!
You've been way too confident on your reads for me and it seems convenient where you ended up but fuck me if I'm not being a sucker :/
I don't know what this post is at all. Unless I'm literally reading your words wrong, you're giving a reason why you should lynch trfel whilst changing your vote. This isn't a town read.
On March 05 2019 08:46 rsoultin wrote: it's not even for a good reason it just /feels/ like maybe he's town lol >< fml
And then that happened and it just seems weird to me.
On March 06 2019 05:31 WaveofShadow wrote: And, like HF, I refuse to believe you are that terrible. You are one of very few people who have flat out caught me as scum. In your damn signature, a quote from Lord Marvellosity himself: "rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
That isn't you in this game.
Lol I still don't know what game you're referring to ><
Look, I'm not going to sit here and pretend to you or anyone that my read wasn't much more than feels cause it wasn't. Palmar wasn't engaged in the thread the way I associate with a town Palmar and the one I'm familiar with is the one who doesn't care and kinda does tone things with early posts and stuff. So you add that in with what I've already said and some of his reads particularly the one on me like somehow my LS read has any bearing on my alignment and yes...then throw in other people also thinking he's scum (HF-who I did and still do have as one of my top townreads) and that's where I land.
you see, I do struggle with this.
the mafia motivation for killing Palmar is so huge and HF has the balls. That alone should remove him from being a top townread even if you townread him for other reasons.
I will never claim that I can't be wrong on HF's alignment. But I can't remember the last time we've been opposite alignments and we haven't gotten into a massive drawn-out shitfight. Years. He has had multiple opportunities to just bury people and shit up the thread arguing till he's blue in the face and he de-escalates even when others continue to throw shit. The rayn episode is the one that comes most readily to mind.
You tell me but Tina don't you think he'd lynch Palmar as scum? Yes. Of course I know he's that brazen. Which to me brings lynching Palmar and Palmar flipping green to a flat null. I don't really understand why people think that Palmar being town makes HF scum. My read is based on everything else not someone thinking the same person I thought was scum was scum and being wrong.
Like is there some reason that you think HF wouldn't do that as town that makes the flip indicative of alignment?
because I think he (should) knows better. but maybe not which is why it's not definitive . I was really convinced he was just playing for reactions when I started reading before the lynch because I couldn't believe he'd actually lynch him.
I mean obviously I missed the context from the previous 71 hours, but meh
On March 05 2019 04:34 Acrofales wrote: Hey Holyflare, is your mayorial shank still aimed straight at Palmar's heart? If so, this mayor train that's forming up on you is pretty damn troubling.
Nobody piled onto me and nobody really went to save palmar so I've learnt either mafia don't care or palmar shouldn't die.
On March 05 2019 04:34 Acrofales wrote: Hey Holyflare, is your mayorial shank still aimed straight at Palmar's heart? If so, this mayor train that's forming up on you is pretty damn troubling.
Nobody piled onto me and nobody really went to save palmar so I've learnt either mafia don't care or palmar shouldn't die.
On March 05 2019 06:20 sicklucker wrote: na I need a confirmation too many rambos on this site who will shot vivax day 1 and waste are shit or something
Iamp is advocating to lynch bh constantly. It is our best bet.
Palmar tje fucker will shoot sentinel because palmar might be mafia.
Holyflare will shoot Palmar because town!HF is not really top tier and he doesnt know better.
I literally said I wouldn't.
He took it back immediately but why introduce that seed of doubt?
On March 05 2019 07:36 Jockmcplop wrote: I've been keeping up but not posting. Shouldn't trfel be here defending himself if he's scum instead of that 'take it or leave it' bullshit?
On March 05 2019 18:29 rsoultin wrote: i'm done with you acro. go back to something interesting, if you can manage it. calling your maybes in your reads list bad was a good start
@jock uhhuh...yeah i don't get how you read this game and claim that hf didn't have a scumread on palmar that he made overwhelmingly clear multiple times including his intention to use the mayor lynch to vote him. if your uncommitted to any pov is your way of saying he's scum i guess that makes some sense but it's a lot of words just to nullread someone
At one point he said he wasn't going to lynch palmar and was just using the platform to find out who would go for it. The he said that was a lie. This is the post that is making me question his motives and how genuine his palmar read was.
This is literally hours after the flip dude. What about him literally killing palmar is making you question his motives. Jock you've waffled so many times on HF in the last 24 hours I can't help but feel like you're setting yourself up for either side of an HF lynch and you're just waiting to see which way the thread goes.
You also ask a lot of questions and push very few reads. You have only one substantial post detailing who you think is scum and have done nothing to advance your case... my goodness we're gonna have quite the docket of scum once I'm done sifting through the HF voters.
Yeah but this is a stupid case, and heavily cherry picked. Unfortunately you accidentally cherry picked the part that shows exactly why I did what I did. I'm sure you'll be gone for a week or whatever now though so you just left this here like a fart before you left. Great job.
Is there anything about my explanation for my questioning of hf yesterday that doesn't make sense? I had him as a townread and he's probably the most influential guy in the game at the moment. The way he went for the will I/won't I that you quoted here with Palmar and then explained it as just trying to have a laugh and inject fun into the thread (which is his explanation for all his anti-town actions) was something that got me thinking...
So given that during the night phase I have nothing pressing to take care of I thought I'd try and get more information to try and see where he's coming from (this is also why I'm didn't make alot of reads yesterday - no-one's listening to me anyway so it wouldn't help with town decision making either).
You guys read each other and make cases based off years of meta knowledge (which probably explains this weakass shit I wake up to), I only have people's actual posts to go off, and HF's were something I found a little weird. He is by no means the most suspicious guy in the game to me, but he's the most important at the moment so I don't want to be caught with my pants down accidentally townreading him.
Same goes for rsoultin. My thinking was exactly the same - although as the day went on it became clear that no-one's really paying her any attention so I dropped it.
When it comes to the trfel vote I was mostly concerned with making sure acro didn't get voted out as he's definitely town and useful. I wanted to get on a wagon and BH seemed like an interesting guy to keep around which was enough to go on for what was basically a coinflip.
'Just having a laugh' isn't really a mafia excuse for anti-town behaviour also, because that's just incredibly low effort mafia play if so and you aren't really a low effort kind of player from what i gather.
I think its a little bit hit or miss but pretty much confirms what I was originally thinking.
Ace seems like a lurker and I already had him as scum. I don't know where he was going with the whole mayor thing. Fishing maybe? He never explained why he wants to kill hf from what I saw. Just 'we need to kill hf'.
I think its a little bit hit or miss but pretty much confirms what I was originally thinking.
Ace seems like a lurker and I already had him as scum. I don't know where he was going with the whole mayor thing. Fishing maybe? He never explained why he wants to kill hf from what I saw. Just 'we need to kill hf'.
Dude
Ace states he is supportive of hf and palmar
Then says to rsoultin.. why not lynch hf..
Ace never comments on hf changing to palmar but knows all about trfel so we can surmise hes actively reading the game
Then when palmar is town.. ace rubs his hands and pipes up for an hf lynch
He was behind hf and palmar and didnt care to lynch either.
Then instead of voting his only scumpsect in bloodycobbler.. he throws a random vote on town
This is as mafia as yoy can get.
Its a 2page filter.. no excuses for anyone not to read this ...
Read my post again. I agree he's mafia but your case is reading stuff into some things that don't really look like they are there and that makes your case weaker. Just because your case is weaker than it needs to be doesn't mean he isn't mafia.
On March 06 2019 17:24 Holyflare wrote: BH who is just sitting there with the most information in the game about his wagon and instead he's still just repeating to kill him.
A) I actually have not asked to be lynched today B) the only extra information I have is that I'm town, and presumably people fall into two categories:
1) people who think I am town and so have just as much information as I do 2) people who think I am scum, and i'm not sure i'd convince such people that I have "more information" than them just by asserting I am town
Are you going to start engaging properly with the game now? FWIW I think you're town. Do you have any reads other than hf? What's your thinking on ace?
Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi.
Well at least he's confirmed town now
This?!
Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through.
Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you.
I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things. Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit.
Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi.
Well at least he's confirmed town now
This?!
Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through.
Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you.
I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things. Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit.
Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town?
Because of what he was lying about.
If goal 1 is to make the game about holyflare and goal 2 is to win for town lying about stuff like that (if it was a lie) makes sense.
I thought if you were replying to a 2 line post you'd at least go as far as reading the second line of it.
Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi.
Well at least he's confirmed town now
This?!
Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through.
Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you.
I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things. Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit.
Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town?
Because of what he was lying about.
If goal 1 is to make the game about holyflare and goal 2 is to win for town lying about stuff like that (if it was a lie) makes sense.
I thought if you were replying to a 2 line post you'd at least go as far as reading the second line of it.
HOW THE FUCK IS THAT PLAYING FOR THE TOWN.
If I am mafia and I can make the entire game my plaything to hide my scum team thats awesome play. To make it all about me when I am town is a fucking asshole shit move. It auto means you will invalidate others opinions (who could be right) just because you disagree. And lying? Especially more than once is insanely fucking scummy. Especially when they don't make sense.
Wait do you think we should lynch all liars? From what I've read that's a fucking moronic strategy and you probably already know that.
Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi.
Well at least he's confirmed town now
This?!
Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through.
Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you.
I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things. Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit.
Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town?
Because of what he was lying about.
If goal 1 is to make the game about holyflare and goal 2 is to win for town lying about stuff like that (if it was a lie) makes sense.
I thought if you were replying to a 2 line post you'd at least go as far as reading the second line of it.
HOW THE FUCK IS THAT PLAYING FOR THE TOWN. To make it all about me when I am town is a fucking asshole shit move. It auto means you will invalidate others opinions (who could be right) just because you disagree.
That depends on your opinion about who is best placed to put in the work. I think hf thinks he can lead the town to victory and make the game more fun for everyone while he's at it.
I certainly don't think that - given what's happened so far - but its pretty clear to me that he thinks that.
Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi.
Well at least he's confirmed town now
This?!
Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through.
Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you.
I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things. Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit.
Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town?
Because of what he was lying about.
If goal 1 is to make the game about holyflare and goal 2 is to win for town lying about stuff like that (if it was a lie) makes sense.
I thought if you were replying to a 2 line post you'd at least go as far as reading the second line of it.
If goal 1 is to make the game about holyflare he has succeeded. But goal 1 and goal 2 only coincide if the town leader does pro-town things. Holyflare isn't doing pro-town things. He's doing pro-mafia things.
You think goal 1 cannot exist if holyflare is mafia?
The only thing he's done that is specifically pro mafia rather than just being vaguely anti-town is lynch Palmar, and that could have just been a bad read.
Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi.
Well at least he's confirmed town now
This?!
Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through.
Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you.
I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things. Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit.
Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town?
Because of what he was lying about.
If goal 1 is to make the game about holyflare and goal 2 is to win for town lying about stuff like that (if it was a lie) makes sense.
I thought if you were replying to a 2 line post you'd at least go as far as reading the second line of it.
HOW THE FUCK IS THAT PLAYING FOR THE TOWN.
If I am mafia and I can make the entire game my plaything to hide my scum team thats awesome play. To make it all about me when I am town is a fucking asshole shit move. It auto means you will invalidate others opinions (who could be right) just because you disagree. And lying? Especially more than once is insanely fucking scummy. Especially when they don't make sense.
Wait do you think we should lynch all liars? From what I've read that's a fucking moronic strategy and you probably already know that.
On March 06 2019 18:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:39 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:37 Acrofales wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:31 Holyflare wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:29 kitaman27 wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:27 Holyflare wrote: [quote]
I feel like this guy wanted in and was abandoned.
He had to drop out.
Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi.
Well at least he's confirmed town now
This?!
Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through.
Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you.
I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things. Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit.
Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town?
Because of what he was lying about.
If goal 1 is to make the game about holyflare and goal 2 is to win for town lying about stuff like that (if it was a lie) makes sense.
I thought if you were replying to a 2 line post you'd at least go as far as reading the second line of it.
HOW THE FUCK IS THAT PLAYING FOR THE TOWN. To make it all about me when I am town is a fucking asshole shit move. It auto means you will invalidate others opinions (who could be right) just because you disagree.
That depends on your opinion about who is best placed to put in the work. I think hf thinks he can lead the town to victory and make the game more fun for everyone while he's at it.
I certainly don't think that - given what's happened so far - but its pretty clear to me that he thinks that.
Hes also fucking experience enough to know this. If he dies while making the game all about him / lying to push his own agenda's etc... Then dies? Say for this argument the town believes the same shit he does? Moment he dies they are fucked.
Any smart player knows that pushing to be a leading voice is not a bad thing, but thats not making the game about you, its being a central voice in the chaos. Lying? Give me an example in a game where we can't communicate outside of thread that lying is a good move?
The only definite lie hf got caught in was saying he wasn't going to lynch Palmar. That would be better classified as misleading because saying that when hf already had a bunch of mayor votes was obviously going to have effects you could analyze for the benefit of the town.
Otherwise its this dumbass thing about whether or not he could change his lynch which we don't know because the hosts won't come here and tell us so what's even the point of arguing about it.
The whole 'lynch hf' thing reeks of pitchforks and lack of objectivity to me.
Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi.
Well at least he's confirmed town now
This?!
Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through.
Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you.
I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things. Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit.
Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town?
Because of what he was lying about.
If goal 1 is to make the game about holyflare and goal 2 is to win for town lying about stuff like that (if it was a lie) makes sense.
I thought if you were replying to a 2 line post you'd at least go as far as reading the second line of it.
This makes me think you know my alignment and are justifying my actions because you know they are true tbh.
I can see why you would think that. I'm pretty sure on your alignment. I've spent the entire last day analyzing your filter and previous games at the expense of doing pretty much anything else.
Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through.
Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you.
I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things. Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit.
Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town?
Because of what he was lying about.
If goal 1 is to make the game about holyflare and goal 2 is to win for town lying about stuff like that (if it was a lie) makes sense.
I thought if you were replying to a 2 line post you'd at least go as far as reading the second line of it.
HOW THE FUCK IS THAT PLAYING FOR THE TOWN.
If I am mafia and I can make the entire game my plaything to hide my scum team thats awesome play. To make it all about me when I am town is a fucking asshole shit move. It auto means you will invalidate others opinions (who could be right) just because you disagree. And lying? Especially more than once is insanely fucking scummy. Especially when they don't make sense.
Wait do you think we should lynch all liars? From what I've read that's a fucking moronic strategy and you probably already know that.
On March 06 2019 18:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:39 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:37 Acrofales wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:31 Holyflare wrote: [quote]
Well at least he's confirmed town now
This?!
Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through.
Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you.
I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things. Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit.
Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town?
Because of what he was lying about.
If goal 1 is to make the game about holyflare and goal 2 is to win for town lying about stuff like that (if it was a lie) makes sense.
I thought if you were replying to a 2 line post you'd at least go as far as reading the second line of it.
HOW THE FUCK IS THAT PLAYING FOR THE TOWN. To make it all about me when I am town is a fucking asshole shit move. It auto means you will invalidate others opinions (who could be right) just because you disagree.
That depends on your opinion about who is best placed to put in the work. I think hf thinks he can lead the town to victory and make the game more fun for everyone while he's at it.
I certainly don't think that - given what's happened so far - but its pretty clear to me that he thinks that.
Hes also fucking experience enough to know this. If he dies while making the game all about him / lying to push his own agenda's etc... Then dies? Say for this argument the town believes the same shit he does? Moment he dies they are fucked.
Any smart player knows that pushing to be a leading voice is not a bad thing, but thats not making the game about you, its being a central voice in the chaos. Lying? Give me an example in a game where we can't communicate outside of thread that lying is a good move?
The only definite lie hf got caught in was saying he wasn't going to lynch Palmar. That would be better classified as misleading because saying that when hf already had a bunch of mayor votes was obviously going to have effects you could analyze for the benefit of the town.
Otherwise its this dumbass thing about whether or not he could change his lynch which we don't know because the hosts won't come here and tell us so what's even the point of arguing about it.
The whole 'lynch hf' thing reeks of pitchforks and lack of objectivity to me.
I didn't get caught in any lie??? Not even 1 minute goes past where I literally say I was just kidding and was still going to lynch Palmar.
I never got caught in a lie.
I only lied the once because I thought it'd be funny.
I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things. Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit.
Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town?
Because of what he was lying about.
If goal 1 is to make the game about holyflare and goal 2 is to win for town lying about stuff like that (if it was a lie) makes sense.
I thought if you were replying to a 2 line post you'd at least go as far as reading the second line of it.
HOW THE FUCK IS THAT PLAYING FOR THE TOWN.
If I am mafia and I can make the entire game my plaything to hide my scum team thats awesome play. To make it all about me when I am town is a fucking asshole shit move. It auto means you will invalidate others opinions (who could be right) just because you disagree. And lying? Especially more than once is insanely fucking scummy. Especially when they don't make sense.
Wait do you think we should lynch all liars? From what I've read that's a fucking moronic strategy and you probably already know that.
On March 06 2019 18:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:39 Jockmcplop wrote: [quote]
I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things. Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit.
Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town?
Because of what he was lying about.
If goal 1 is to make the game about holyflare and goal 2 is to win for town lying about stuff like that (if it was a lie) makes sense.
I thought if you were replying to a 2 line post you'd at least go as far as reading the second line of it.
HOW THE FUCK IS THAT PLAYING FOR THE TOWN. To make it all about me when I am town is a fucking asshole shit move. It auto means you will invalidate others opinions (who could be right) just because you disagree.
That depends on your opinion about who is best placed to put in the work. I think hf thinks he can lead the town to victory and make the game more fun for everyone while he's at it.
I certainly don't think that - given what's happened so far - but its pretty clear to me that he thinks that.
Hes also fucking experience enough to know this. If he dies while making the game all about him / lying to push his own agenda's etc... Then dies? Say for this argument the town believes the same shit he does? Moment he dies they are fucked.
Any smart player knows that pushing to be a leading voice is not a bad thing, but thats not making the game about you, its being a central voice in the chaos. Lying? Give me an example in a game where we can't communicate outside of thread that lying is a good move?
The only definite lie hf got caught in was saying he wasn't going to lynch Palmar. That would be better classified as misleading because saying that when hf already had a bunch of mayor votes was obviously going to have effects you could analyze for the benefit of the town.
Otherwise its this dumbass thing about whether or not he could change his lynch which we don't know because the hosts won't come here and tell us so what's even the point of arguing about it.
The whole 'lynch hf' thing reeks of pitchforks and lack of objectivity to me.
I didn't get caught in any lie??? Not even 1 minute goes past where I literally say I was just kidding and was still going to lynch Palmar.
I never got caught in a lie.
I only lied the once because I thought it'd be funny.
OK mate.
You do know what the phrase "caught in a lie" means right?
eh its semantics. You were called out after you hinted that you wouldn't kill Palmar and then you came out and lied, immediately saying you were lying.
I'm off to actually try and find some scum. Can't carry on like this, I'm at work and right now playing this game is more boring than the work I'm supposed to be doing.
On March 05 2019 04:59 iamperfection wrote: Even you aren't this bad you have to be scum
On March 05 2019 04:59 Acrofales wrote:
On March 05 2019 04:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 05 2019 04:48 Trfel wrote: Voting Palmar for mayor because of all of the mayors' targets I want to see [UoN]Sentinel lynched most. Him having a townread on himself while claiming to have not read his role PM is super suspicious, moreso the more I think about it. Other than his huge list post he hasn't shown much thought at all, he's been just following the thread sentiment. His overall play makes his effort seem fabricated. A few reasons being quoting my reasoning in one area while highly scumreading me in another, and more importantly not seeming at all invested in his reads. If he put all that effort into reading and making his scumreads, he wouldn't not actually push those reads and follow the thread sentiment like a headless chicken. It feels forced, and like he's trying to use the effort to prove he's town.
##Mayor Palmar
Catching up but nearly everything in this post is either wrong or disingenuous
BH isn't in this game and unless this is some sort of last minute ploy to get him to come out, seeing as we've got 4 hours to deadline I don't approve of wasting a vote on a player who isn't even around to defend himself
Turns out he was here all along, lurking until his train took out from the station. If he flips scum, I'm looking at you next.
I just didn't expect this game to be so high in activity. I gave up on reading the thread and just did a couple searches of my name to see who was talking to me. Since I don't have an important role and I don't think I'll ever be able to catch up with all this, I figure I might as well be lynched first. Even if I'm spared, how will I catch up on these scores of pages? I don't know how I did this in the past, tbh.
Dang homie. I remember you being fun to play with. Don't give up so early ^_^
On March 06 2019 20:30 WaveofShadow wrote: So, the past few hours are the absolute best indication why HF has to die. I don't even give a shit about his alignment anymore I'm just sick of hearing from and about him.
So much time wasted. Put your votes on him and get your minds off him. Move on.
Weird post.
Its like you want everyone not to talk about hf but at the same time you want everyone to talk about him.
On March 06 2019 21:13 rsoultin wrote: My goal, for anyone who cares, is to work toward a consensus for a counter lynch to HF. I'm a bit distracted with our new house guest and other things but by the end of today (not the day phase) I'll have reread the game and everyone's intentions around the voting and put forth some scumreads as options.
Anyone else with options is absolutely encouraged to voice them. Ace is one of those. I've put forth Tube pending a reread. Onegu's been mentioned.
I'll try to keep an eye on the thread to discuss with anyone who wants to discuss.
And I'd encourage those of you who are town and determined to lynch HF because either you think he's scum or 'has to go' to stop engaging. We know your point of view. It's boring and getting in the way. You can imagine what we're doing is a scum scramble and call us all mafia for considering alternatives. Let HF focus on the game. If you want to discuss other reads be my guest.
Obviously can't enforce this but in the scenario where HF is town (which I believe) it minimizes scum's ability to goad him into uselessness and make this day a complete wash.
What do you think of sent?
I've just spent half an hour looking through his filter and he hasn't contributed anything new at all in the last few visits. Its not just a case of low activity but its what he's doing (or not doing) when he's active. He's arguing points that have no benefit to town or hedging on his previous reads.
On March 06 2019 02:42 Holyflare wrote: Can someone explain why sentinel is mafia other than using the words he didn't read his role PM?
Look at his big post and try explaining to me what happened to his Oats scum lean, or how even what he wrote about it makes the slightest sense.
1. I lean green on Tictock 2. I lean red on MZ 3. Jock had a bad post 4. Acro had bad posts 5. Chez has bad posts and is running interference 6. Sentinel's town read is prescient of his role. The man in the gif holds up 5 fingers which means it's a 5/5 play 7. Actually Tictock might be red 8. Oats is bad but not red
This is literally at the bottom of his reads list.
On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum.
That was my summary of iamp's reads, not my own takes. The oats take was my take.
On March 06 2019 09:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 06 2019 02:45 Holyflare wrote:
On March 06 2019 02:43 Vivax wrote:
On March 06 2019 02:42 Holyflare wrote: Can someone explain why sentinel is mafia other than using the words he didn't read his role PM?
Look at his big post and try explaining to me what happened to his Oats scum lean, or how even what he wrote about it makes the slightest sense.
1. I lean green on Tictock 2. I lean red on MZ 3. Jock had a bad post 4. Acro had bad posts 5. Chez has bad posts and is running interference 6. Sentinel's town read is prescient of his role. The man in the gif holds up 5 fingers which means it's a 5/5 play 7. Actually Tictock might be red 8. Oats is bad but not red
This is literally at the bottom of his reads list.
On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum.
That was my summary of iamp's reads, not my own takes. The oats take was my take.
Ok, but there's more then. You didn't specify your Oats lean in the post, it looks like you missed out a word like scum lean.
Then you come out with:
On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum.
Your oats summary is in direct contradiction with what you said after it with nothing else changing in between. Why?
I think if you lean red on everyone it's only slightly better than leaning green on everyone. I'd almost call it a scum play Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean Oats because even with that pressure he doesn't commit to any sort of scum team besides "half the thread", at least in any meaningful way to advance the game.
There's actually two parts missing. "I'd almost call it a scum play [but] Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean [red on] Oats because even with..."
That being said, it's the slightest of scum leans and I never grouped him in my lynch targets like Trfel, LS, etc.
On a related note, skimming LS's posts I am getting a much more town vibe than before, but I only got this vibe long after someone said "LS is looking more town now". I think at the time he was sheeping yet another read. I don't know LS as much as some of you but even though I'm not ready to tunnel him at the moment I do think some of you guys are cutting him too much slack.
On March 06 2019 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i have no doubt in anyone's abilities to figure out all the wiggleses, onegus, blazinghands and aces in this game, i have serious doubts on 26/30 people's abilities to out-yell acrofales.
That's ok. They don't have to out-yell me, they can just sheep me to a town victory.
Its ok I hang in USPol with acrofales he's all bark and bark and bark and bark and shit I fell asleep did he bite yet?
On March 06 2019 23:45 Jockmcplop wrote: Alakaslam explain yourself. Let's lynch ace. Or sent they are both super scummy.
Sentinel even has a 'scum' t shirt in a frame on his wall the scum that was gifted to him by the only person more scummy than he is. Which is ace.
comment on acro
This is my next priority. He posts alot so I'll probably wait until I'm home in ~2 hours though because I can't get through that much uninterrupted reading here at work.
The next thing you'll hear from me is a detailed post on acrofales and something about chezinu to see if they belong on my list of confirmed scum which currently reads: MZ Ace Sentinel
Oats is there or thereabouts too but I need to take another look I think.
Acrofales was a strong town read but he's confused me a bit today but more on that later.
On March 07 2019 18:04 Holyflare wrote: BH you have an uncanny knack to sound disingenuous with everything you write. How do you do it?
A few days ago I gave up on trying to sound town and just write what I want to write. It's a lot of fun!
Why were you trying to sound town?
I'm always trying to sound town. If you're scum, you do it so you don't get lynched, which allows you to win the game. If you're town, you do it so you don't get lynched, which allows you to win the game, and also so you can build cred and convince other townies to vote the scum that you find. At all times you should focus, in addition to hunting scum, on looking town, regardless of alignment.
On March 07 2019 18:18 Blazinghand wrote: On top of all that, After spending 24 hours D1 and all of N1 trying to get lynched and shot, it didn't happen. And if it won't happen when I'm actively trying to make it happen, it's not happening. So, there's really no reason to avoid saying things that might get misunderstood and lead people to think I'm scum. who cares? None of you are going to pull together a group big enough that it's going to lynch me anyways. So... I'm free. I can post what I want. I don't have to stop and think about what will build cred, because I have none. I don't have to carefully maneuver to avoid scum trapping me into getting lynched, because as we've seen, it's impossible to lynch me. I've transcended this game. I am beyond suspicion. People just don't want to lynch me, so why should I defend myself? Why should I worry about my appearance, or any pressure anyone puts on me? Feh. I'll analyze what I want to analyze and do what I want, and see if I can find some scum. I'm cursed to play out this game for my hubris, trapped, never lynched, vigied, or nked, no matter what I try. So... I might as well play, and fuck caring about what I look like
This is kind of what I was getting at. That would be a ballsy play to make as scum particularly.
On March 07 2019 18:22 Holyflare wrote: So please look at the people that didn't want to vote you if you're town? Or how about just look at exo who called you town and wanted to lynch you anyway?
ExO and Ace are both suspicious for thinking i'm town and being kind to me when I was actively martyring
On March 07 2019 18:18 Blazinghand wrote: On top of all that, After spending 24 hours D1 and all of N1 trying to get lynched and shot, it didn't happen. And if it won't happen when I'm actively trying to make it happen, it's not happening. So, there's really no reason to avoid saying things that might get misunderstood and lead people to think I'm scum. who cares? None of you are going to pull together a group big enough that it's going to lynch me anyways. So... I'm free. I can post what I want. I don't have to stop and think about what will build cred, because I have none. I don't have to carefully maneuver to avoid scum trapping me into getting lynched, because as we've seen, it's impossible to lynch me. I've transcended this game. I am beyond suspicion. People just don't want to lynch me, so why should I defend myself? Why should I worry about my appearance, or any pressure anyone puts on me? Feh. I'll analyze what I want to analyze and do what I want, and see if I can find some scum. I'm cursed to play out this game for my hubris, trapped, never lynched, vigied, or nked, no matter what I try. So... I might as well play, and fuck caring about what I look like
This is kind of what I was getting at. That would be a ballsy play to make as scum particularly.
Yeah, it would be pretty ballsy to make as scum. Also, I'm probably one of the best scum players on TL Mafia - or I was back in the day, anyways. I'm just a decent town player, mostly skilled in avoiding getting lynched (which is actually a useful skill!) and driving discussion, typically. But as scum I've pulled all kinds of stunts. Once, I pretended that I was moving to a different house, put stuff in boxes and took photos of it, and people let it slide that I wasn't active for a full day. I'm a complete bastard. I'm pretty amazing.
Is it fair to characterize your day 1/night 1 activity as follows?
As town: High risk for you - medium risk for town team - some reward for you - no reward for town team
As scum: High risk for you - high risk for scum team - high reward for both you and scum team.
I'm leaning heavily towards a scum read on BH right now. The more he posts the more scummy his motivations seem to be. His attacks on hf look as if he has made them up on the spot in an effort to try and paint hf as mafia, rather than coming to natural conclusions about hf from available evidence.
The best example of this is the following post:
On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me
This is pure speculation and I like how creative it is, but it is not evidence.
He then refers back to this as 'compelling' a few posts later, but as we can see it isn't compelling its a rather badly shoehorned piece of fiction, designed to create an mirage.
On March 06 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case:
On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me
HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby
On March 07 2019 22:32 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm leaning heavily towards a scum read on BH right now. The more he posts the more scummy his motivations seem to be. His attacks on hf look as if he has made them up on the spot in an effort to try and paint hf as mafia, rather than coming to natural conclusions about hf from available evidence.
The best example of this is the following post:
On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me
This is pure speculation and I like how creative it is, but it is not evidence.
He then refers back to this as 'compelling' a few posts later, but as we can see it isn't compelling its a rather badly shoehorned piece of fiction, designed to create an mirage.
On March 06 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case:
On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me
HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby
Ok, so what is the point of town!HF to claim a fake vig shot? I didn't incorporate it in my case, because it's mostly wifom, but I really don't see it:
1. He made a big play and it backfired spectacularly. 2. He makes another big play just for shit and giggles? WTF?
Now, lets say BH had gotten vig'd. We'd have a townie counterclaiming the vig shot, and today would have been an even bigger shitshow. Lynch all liars is a damned good policy for a reason, because even if townies *do* do this kind of stupid shit, it is blatantly anti-town play. And the *second* time HF does a big anti-town play in the same damn game.
That's true, but doesn't say anything about the point I am making. This story BH is telling is meaningless, as if he needed something completely made up to emphasize his argument for some reason. Also, if we are lynching people for anti-town play, what about the whole of D1/N1 from BH? Blatant anti-town play that has no upside or no possible upside for town.
On March 07 2019 23:31 Holyflare wrote: Also if you want to know why I've got not much in terms of scum reads the game started when I was on holiday and I was off work Tuesday so yesterday onwards I've just been skimming in the office and not doing much in terms of formulating reads in comparison to the start of the game.
You have put so much effort into survival that I don’t expect it from you, I Vote you for entirely different reasons.
If you are somehow town in all this:
Stop shitting up the thread and making it even more inhospitable to low activity players
Start doing what you just said here so you can start looking town by being town
I.E. lurk silently for a long while until you have something of value.
Hahahaha no man this is me and I'm not changing me. Why would I sit idly lurking when I'm getting lynched. You know that is never me and will never be me.
Which is why you need to be lynched; you are ruining the game.
he is ruining the game because of?
Overposting without changing the subject. AFAIK he isn’t even the leading lynch anymore and he will talk about nothing else
On March 08 2019 01:17 rsoultin wrote: Actually, if we're looking for people over-justifying votes I'd say Jock qualifies. Caveat is I think he was planning on looking into BH earlier.
I've said that since I voted for trfel on the first night. I wanted to see more from BH to see what he's all about. I have done, but I still don't know who to vote for tonight so I'm keeping an eye out.
Ace is still a good candidate... turning up with his one word replies pointing out other people's mistakes while keeping his mouth pretty much shut about everything.
On March 08 2019 01:17 rsoultin wrote: Actually, if we're looking for people over-justifying votes I'd say Jock qualifies. Caveat is I think he was planning on looking into BH earlier.
I've said that since I voted for trfel on the first night. I wanted to see more from BH to see what he's all about. I have done, but I still don't know who to vote for tonight so I'm keeping an eye out.
Ace is still a good candidate... turning up with his one word replies pointing out other people's mistakes while keeping his mouth pretty much shut about everything.
I agree. I just don't see him ever being lynched over HF, BH or alternatively a low-posting lurker like ExO_ if people decided they don't want to lynch the former two.
And honestly I'm not really too interested in lynching someone I don't strongly feel is scum? Cause I think BH has a slightly larger chance of flipping town than scum but I wouldn't wager a so much as a quarter on it lol ><
I'd like to lynch Rels but people think his role makes him town and arguing till I'm blue in the face that he's not talking to me when he masoned me which he seemed eager to do is probably not going to get me anywhere. In part because people aren't experiencing what I am and in part because it's kind of tonal anyway. Excite -> not solving game with me.
Also I'd feel a bit like a dick if he's a townie with no time and was just being nice so maybe I should have let it slide and see what he did later >< thing is I'm not sure how long this thing lasts and I don't expect to survive N2 anyway.
I've just had a quick look through his filter and I think meta information might be useful. Is he always this nice? Most other people in here have got aggressive once or twice.
I'm not seeing alot of specifically scummy posts or mistakes really, just a feeling that his posts aren't coming from where we're supposed to think they are.
I don't know if he's a lynch candidate (yet), but you seem pretty sure after the QT thing..
On March 07 2019 02:48 Rels wrote: this HF situation is annoying. I think he is town. I'm not as sure as rayn and rsoul seems to be, like HF is a super strong scum and could easily do whatever he's done in this game. BUT, him not shitting up the thread feels weird if he's scum. He has the potential to throw the game into chaos easily, like he did when he got red checked in ... Himalayas probably?, saying he's the best lynch while posting a lot, and he is not doing it.
Now. IF HES SCUM AND HE LIVES AND WINS. He's gonna mock me and whoever townread him forever. I know this is a ridiculous way to handle this situation but that's waht I think.
So the solution: he msut be lynched in LYLO. I won't be there to push it probably, but if he's alive in LYLO, no matter what, lynch him. IF YOURE READING THIS DURING LYLO, LYNCH HF IF HES STILL ALIVE
This post in particular seems like an odd idea. I can't figure out the real motivation behind it. Rels if you're going to lynch someone as active as hf, why delay until later so they can cause some chaos?
On March 08 2019 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: oh btw from now on i am gonna be a little bitch and report all "offences" to hosts because they can be hurstful to a soul of some person..... so no swearing, no anything else. inbetween tl rules you idiots. i am done with me getting all the shit for nothing.
On March 05 2019 07:36 Jockmcplop wrote: I've been keeping up but not posting. Shouldn't trfel be here defending himself if he's scum instead of that 'take it or leave it' bullshit?
Essentially gives a reason for Trfel not to be scum
On March 05 2019 07:56 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm voting trfel because so many people have reads on him and I'm not sure what's going on with BH at all.
This vote doesn't make sense in the slightest. He doesn't have a read on Trfel, says a reason for him not to be mafia and votes Trfel because other people have reads on him.
Town reads me at some point. No mention of BH No mention of BH No mention of BH
When it comes to the trfel vote I was mostly concerned with making sure acro didn't get voted out as he's definitely town and useful. I wanted to get on a wagon and BH seemed like an interesting guy to keep around which was enough to go on for what was basically a coinflip.
BH was kept alive because he was interesting but BH never featured in any reads list he posted.
On March 06 2019 17:24 Holyflare wrote: BH who is just sitting there with the most information in the game about his wagon and instead he's still just repeating to kill him.
A) I actually have not asked to be lynched today B) the only extra information I have is that I'm town, and presumably people fall into two categories:
1) people who think I am town and so have just as much information as I do 2) people who think I am scum, and i'm not sure i'd convince such people that I have "more information" than them just by asserting I am town
Are you going to start engaging properly with the game now? FWIW I think you're town. Do you have any reads other than hf? What's your thinking on ace?
On March 07 2019 18:04 Holyflare wrote: BH you have an uncanny knack to sound disingenuous with everything you write. How do you do it?
A few days ago I gave up on trying to sound town and just write what I want to write. It's a lot of fun!
Why were you trying to sound town?
I'm always trying to sound town. If you're scum, you do it so you don't get lynched, which allows you to win the game. If you're town, you do it so you don't get lynched, which allows you to win the game, and also so you can build cred and convince other townies to vote the scum that you find. At all times you should focus, in addition to hunting scum, on looking town, regardless of alignment.
On March 07 2019 18:18 Blazinghand wrote: On top of all that, After spending 24 hours D1 and all of N1 trying to get lynched and shot, it didn't happen. And if it won't happen when I'm actively trying to make it happen, it's not happening. So, there's really no reason to avoid saying things that might get misunderstood and lead people to think I'm scum. who cares? None of you are going to pull together a group big enough that it's going to lynch me anyways. So... I'm free. I can post what I want. I don't have to stop and think about what will build cred, because I have none. I don't have to carefully maneuver to avoid scum trapping me into getting lynched, because as we've seen, it's impossible to lynch me. I've transcended this game. I am beyond suspicion. People just don't want to lynch me, so why should I defend myself? Why should I worry about my appearance, or any pressure anyone puts on me? Feh. I'll analyze what I want to analyze and do what I want, and see if I can find some scum. I'm cursed to play out this game for my hubris, trapped, never lynched, vigied, or nked, no matter what I try. So... I might as well play, and fuck caring about what I look like
This is kind of what I was getting at. That would be a ballsy play to make as scum particularly.
Questions BH, says it's a ballsy play as scum and then:
On March 07 2019 22:32 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm leaning heavily towards a scum read on BH right now. The more he posts the more scummy his motivations seem to be. His attacks on hf look as if he has made them up on the spot in an effort to try and paint hf as mafia, rather than coming to natural conclusions about hf from available evidence.
The best example of this is the following post:
On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me
This is pure speculation and I like how creative it is, but it is not evidence.
He then refers back to this as 'compelling' a few posts later, but as we can see it isn't compelling its a rather badly shoehorned piece of fiction, designed to create an mirage.
On March 06 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case:
On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me
HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby
scum reads BH
don't get me wrong, it's all true but it still seems a bit of a weird 180 when BH hasn't done anything new that he hadn't been already doing
On March 07 2019 22:32 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm leaning heavily towards a scum read on BH right now. The more he posts the more scummy his motivations seem to be. His attacks on hf look as if he has made them up on the spot in an effort to try and paint hf as mafia, rather than coming to natural conclusions about hf from available evidence.
The best example of this is the following post:
On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me
This is pure speculation and I like how creative it is, but it is not evidence.
He then refers back to this as 'compelling' a few posts later, but as we can see it isn't compelling its a rather badly shoehorned piece of fiction, designed to create an mirage.
On March 06 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case:
On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me
HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby
Ok, so what is the point of town!HF to claim a fake vig shot? I didn't incorporate it in my case, because it's mostly wifom, but I really don't see it:
1. He made a big play and it backfired spectacularly. 2. He makes another big play just for shit and giggles? WTF?
Now, lets say BH had gotten vig'd. We'd have a townie counterclaiming the vig shot, and today would have been an even bigger shitshow. Lynch all liars is a damned good policy for a reason, because even if townies *do* do this kind of stupid shit, it is blatantly anti-town play. And the *second* time HF does a big anti-town play in the same damn game.
That's true, but doesn't say anything about the point I am making. This story BH is telling is meaningless, as if he needed something completely made up to emphasize his argument for some reason. Also, if we are lynching people for anti-town play, what about the whole of D1/N1 from BH? Blatant anti-town play that has no upside or no possible upside for town.
On March 08 2019 01:17 rsoultin wrote: Actually, if we're looking for people over-justifying votes I'd say Jock qualifies. Caveat is I think he was planning on looking into BH earlier.
I've said that since I voted for trfel on the first night. I wanted to see more from BH to see what he's all about. I have done, but I still don't know who to vote for tonight so I'm keeping an eye out.
Ace is still a good candidate... turning up with his one word replies pointing out other people's mistakes while keeping his mouth pretty much shut about everything.
but then says he doesn't know who to vote for and maybe vote for Ace?????????? (who is also another good pick for mafia but it's just a weird thought process when you think BH is mafia???)
Conclusion: Says a lot of stuff that appeals to me but it's his first game, he's got a 100% town read on me after meta reading?????? (read his filter with regards to me and thinking my alignment is town through the read and you'll become suspicious) and scum reads BH and is unsure of who to vote?
Honestly if you read his filter it looks like he's playing with perfect info and knows alignments of people when he talks about them but I feel bad because he's also defending me and I like the guy.
Don't take this the wrong way but scumreading me while apologizing because I'm new is condescending af. If you think I'm scum just lay it out there don't apologize for it.
you say this:
This vote doesn't make sense in the slightest. He doesn't have a read on Trfel, says a reason for him not to be mafia and votes Trfel because other people have reads on him.
Town reads me at some point. No mention of BH No mention of BH No mention of BH
The vote makes sense and I'll refer you back to your own post as to why. Find this quote of yours that I'm replying to and move your eyes down the page about an inch. There it is! I voted trfel because acro had quite a few votes and I was wondering how deep the shenanigans go and EoD here. I wanted to keep acro alive because he seems the most town out of anyone here (or did tome at the time).
Why not mention of BH? Well at this point all he had done is ask to die. I wanted to see what happened when he stopped asking to die. What would he do? Then I could read him.
You're right I did scumread BH. Honestly I ended up going for an impropmtu night out which took us past the deadline. My plan was to keep my vote on Ace and switch to a wagon if required,but fuck me if I didn't get wasted and only got home 15 minutes ago.
Its quote convenient that a TMI read on me from you automatically exonerates you from being scum though. Its almost like attacking me has a secondary purpose here.
Its incredibly easy for anyone to see that ace is scum. He only has a 4 page filter and most of it is literally useless, apart from one obvious wagon that he can sink all of his reasonable looking posts into.
1: 1 word answers and anti discussion posting
The following is a list of just a few the times Ace simply quotes something questionable and puts a single word there or something obviously designed to avoid people coming back to him and asking questions about it. Its effective, because no=one ever does that and he gets away with artificially inflating his post count for basically doing nothing.
On March 05 2019 06:20 sicklucker wrote: na I need a confirmation too many rambos on this site who will shot vivax day 1 and waste are shit or something
Iamp is advocating to lynch bh constantly. It is our best bet.
Palmar tje fucker will shoot sentinel because palmar might be mafia.
Holyflare will shoot Palmar because town!HF is not really top tier and he doesnt know better.
Still no comprendo. Me no speak English.
He wants you to pad his ego.
Hey ace why koshi?
Random vote. Got a prod that I didn't have a vote on anyone. I'll change if Im around before EOD.
On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else.
Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you.
So no I am not down for lynching him -_-
If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison.
We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing.
So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game.
How about instead we look into this pool.
Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content
Iamperfection
I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it.
On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question.
i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow.
i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment
Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum.
This post reeks. Why would you pop up near EOD to post this? You even segregated players and faked outrage. Heavy FoS here.
Asks the question but isn't there to answer it. No detail just an accusation. Doesn't bring it up again.
On March 05 2019 10:21 Ace wrote: Well that was terrible.
@Trfel: Really wish you claimed :'(. GG tho dude/dudette.
There are no mafia doctors so vigis can shoot Holyflare at will. If he somehow does not die tonight he is an auto-lynch tomorrow.
Earlier in the thread when I was talking to HF and Wiggles, I was alluding to the fact that Hf or Palmar have to stick to their plan on the lynch (Sentinel). It would take a very convincing reason to lynch someone else. For all his talk, Palmar never came across as a strong scum read. HF lynching him instead of Sentinel or even BH means he has to die. He did not stick to his guns and did not have good reason to lynch Palmar.
side note:Would have been funny (and rage inducing) if Trfel flipped Cop and Palmar flipped back up Cop.
Anyway, we kill HF asap. No fucking around.
What is this? Even I know hf stuck to his guns he wan ted to lynch palm for a long time no?
Him wanting to lynch Palmar =/= good reason to switch.
Again there's nothing useful here just poking holes in posts.
On March 05 2019 10:21 Ace wrote: Well that was terrible.
@Trfel: Really wish you claimed :'(. GG tho dude/dudette.
There are no mafia doctors so vigis can shoot Holyflare at will. If he somehow does not die tonight he is an auto-lynch tomorrow.
Earlier in the thread when I was talking to HF and Wiggles, I was alluding to the fact that Hf or Palmar have to stick to their plan on the lynch (Sentinel). It would take a very convincing reason to lynch someone else. For all his talk, Palmar never came across as a strong scum read. HF lynching him instead of Sentinel or even BH means he has to die. He did not stick to his guns and did not have good reason to lynch Palmar.
side note:Would have been funny (and rage inducing) if Trfel flipped Cop and Palmar flipped back up Cop.
Anyway, we kill HF asap. No fucking around.
Good one voting the guy into mayorship that was saying he was sticking to his plan there, Ace.
On March 05 2019 07:36 Jockmcplop wrote: I've been keeping up but not posting. Shouldn't trfel be here defending himself if he's scum instead of that 'take it or leave it' bullshit?
On March 05 2019 07:56 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm voting trfel because so many people have reads on him and I'm not sure what's going on with BH at all.
Soo post one suggests that you think trfel is town and then you decide to vote for him as scum bc "you don't know whats going on with BC"
HMMMMMM
Also you're one of those HF lurker voters...
On March 05 2019 18:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 05 2019 18:29 rsoultin wrote: i'm done with you acro. go back to something interesting, if you can manage it. calling your maybes in your reads list bad was a good start
@jock uhhuh...yeah i don't get how you read this game and claim that hf didn't have a scumread on palmar that he made overwhelmingly clear multiple times including his intention to use the mayor lynch to vote him. if your uncommitted to any pov is your way of saying he's scum i guess that makes some sense but it's a lot of words just to nullread someone
At one point he said he wasn't going to lynch palmar and was just using the platform to find out who would go for it. The he said that was a lie. This is the post that is making me question his motives and how genuine his palmar read was.
This is literally hours after the flip dude. What about him literally killing palmar is making you question his motives. Jock you've waffled so many times on HF in the last 24 hours I can't help but feel like you're setting yourself up for either side of an HF lynch and you're just waiting to see which way the thread goes.
You also ask a lot of questions and push very few reads. You have only one substantial post detailing who you think is scum and have done nothing to advance your case... my goodness we're gonna have quite the docket of scum once I'm done sifting through the HF voters.
Yeah but this is a stupid case, and heavily cherry picked. Unfortunately you accidentally cherry picked the part that shows exactly why I did what I did. I'm sure you'll be gone for a week or whatever now though so you just left this here like a fart before you left. Great job.
Is there anything about my explanation for my questioning of hf yesterday that doesn't make sense? I had him as a townread and he's probably the most influential guy in the game at the moment. The way he went for the will I/won't I that you quoted here with Palmar and then explained it as just trying to have a laugh and inject fun into the thread (which is his explanation for all his anti-town actions) was something that got me thinking...
So given that during the night phase I have nothing pressing to take care of I thought I'd try and get more information to try and see where he's coming from (this is also why I'm didn't make alot of reads yesterday - no-one's listening to me anyway so it wouldn't help with town decision making either).
You guys read each other and make cases based off years of meta knowledge (which probably explains this weakass shit I wake up to), I only have people's actual posts to go off, and HF's were something I found a little weird. He is by no means the most suspicious guy in the game to me, but he's the most important at the moment so I don't want to be caught with my pants down accidentally townreading him.
Same goes for rsoultin. My thinking was exactly the same - although as the day went on it became clear that no-one's really paying her any attention so I dropped it.
When it comes to the trfel vote I was mostly concerned with making sure acro didn't get voted out as he's definitely town and useful. I wanted to get on a wagon and BH seemed like an interesting guy to keep around which was enough to go on for what was basically a coinflip.
On March 06 2019 17:24 Holyflare wrote: The people voting me are on the biggest cop out lynch of 2019. I bet they're the same people that whined that BH didn't get shot too.
What benefit does my flip bring other than drawing you closer to end game? BH at least gives you the information about wagons. I'm also pumping out content comparatively to BH who is just sitting there with the most information in the game about his wagon and instead he's still just repeating to kill him. You may not agree with what I'm writing but that's your choice.
You can look at MZ's spreadsheet to see how stupid lynching palmar would have been if I was mafia. I'm not stupid as mafia, I demand thread consensus and people town reading me because it's the path of least resistance.
I will look into you Holyflare voters and if I see that you complained that BH isn't dead I will know your motivation about lynching me is completely feigned.
R.O.F.L.
That second bolded though. Explain. Really :D. I don't see how a person who mostly wanted to kill himself would reveal more information on someone with strong opinions and an actual action we can tie to them.
Some point this cycle. Preferably after ace responds. I want ur take on my ace case
I don't agree with it. Why would someone fabled for being so good at mafia make such blatantly false accusations? If he doesn't come up with some read based on those posts then yeah, probably mafia.
You definitely did not read Mocsta's post then. How many accusations did I make, to whom?, and how would you know they are false?
3 nothing posts in one.
1: no scumhunting
Ace has done no scumhunting. You can't call jumping on the obvious hf wagon and pushing that one kill scumhunting, it isn't, its hiding while posting. In sea of thousands of 'lynch hf' posts its hard to even notice ace's posts. Can anyone remember any of them specifically? Its a camouflage.
Over the course of the entire game, he has accused 3 people of being scum. HF: All of his posts that contain any detail at all are about hf. Most of them add nothing new to the discussion and just hang there like little grapes in a big ol basket of fruit.
Myself: He says I'm an obvious vigi shoot (I was voting to lynch him at the time). That's all
BC: Calls him scumcobbler at one point and posts a single sentence after a post he didn't like.
Its fair to say that there's no actual content here, but importantly the hf stuff gives the illusion of content, but its all just nothing.
3: Staying silent instead of defending himself
Ace ha been accused of being scum by multiple people on multiple occasions, and the only one time he has remotely defended himself was to say that he doesn't use meta in his play. Otherwise he's perfectly happy to stay silent. If he's town why doesn't he want people to know he's town?
Why is he acting so weird and only putting out the most basic timewasting posts?
On March 08 2019 19:07 Pandain wrote: Anyone five pages or less. At first glance that seems to be Onegu, BC, Ticktock, TW, SL, Damdred, exo, sentinel, tubesock, darthfolely, and wiggles.
On March 08 2019 18:57 Acrofales wrote: I don't support a holyflare lunch tomorrow. D2 was totally lost because of making it about holyflare vs BH. Holyflare is probably scum, but it's clear he made himself unlynchable with a whole army of Sheeples who aren't even playing the game. So we just need to kill off the rest of his team first. I also realized that because of D2, I don't even know where the rest of the scum is. They're in a huge pile of blehhhhhhhhhh. I read exo_ fully expecting to think he was scum, but he is no worse than the whole pile of shitty inactives, which includes you, pandain.
I will be ignoring everything HF says for the rest of the game, and am || <- this close to doing the same with rayn.
If someone wants me to comment on something holyflare said, please quote it as I am literally skipping over any post he makes.
PS. I will treat pandain as modconfirmed town, as I refuse to believe mods would allow a scummer to replace out and back in again. So that makes 3 confirmed townies
I had a quick look through Exo's filter expecting it to be a horrible scummy mess but didn't really see that much. Got a bit upset quite easily when people were complaining about his filter and made a bunch of bad reads (which says nothing given the first couple of days haha). Says he's going to be busy all week. Don't know what to think of him. Does anyone have a case on him?
On March 08 2019 19:26 Acrofales wrote: Reading through Damdred's filter gives me a big fat nothingburger. So he's scum.
He sure does say sorry alot. Thinks alot of people are probably town but makes no scumreads. I like it. Damdred come here and explain yourself mister. Your filter is simply not good enough.
On March 08 2019 19:33 Acrofales wrote: Hmmm. Fecalfeast is the strongest scumfeel from the filters I read today. He's been around. He has been "helpful" and has the completely unconcerned feel of a scummer who knows his buddies are all safe. Add this to the "bid" he did for mayor, knowing he'd never get elected and use it all of D1 to do effectively nothing. GG.
I asked him more than once why i should vote for him for mayor and he never responded. Thread was chaotic at the time, but i was a little suspicious.
On March 08 2019 18:57 Acrofales wrote: I don't support a holyflare lunch tomorrow. D2 was totally lost because of making it about holyflare vs BH. Holyflare is probably scum, but it's clear he made himself unlynchable with a whole army of Sheeples who aren't even playing the game. So we just need to kill off the rest of his team first. I also realized that because of D2, I don't even know where the rest of the scum is. They're in a huge pile of blehhhhhhhhhh. I read exo_ fully expecting to think he was scum, but he is no worse than the whole pile of shitty inactives, which includes you, pandain.
I will be ignoring everything HF says for the rest of the game, and am || <- this close to doing the same with rayn.
If someone wants me to comment on something holyflare said, please quote it as I am literally skipping over any post he makes.
PS. I will treat pandain as modconfirmed town, as I refuse to believe mods would allow a scummer to replace out and back in again. So that makes 3 confirmed townies
Is this a real thing? Can anyone else confirm?
The opposite is more likely because a townie would get information out of the game and be observing from the sidelines. Mafia know who mafia are so not much would change. Don't know why acro feels the opposite.
Interesting. I can't really go off other players' reads if you are all saying different things about something like this. That means more work for me fml I'll just treat him like everyone else then and go read his filter.
hf are we gonna get some of these lurkers involved?
Also if you think I'm mafia come at me I got all day today. Is it just a vague TMI read with one piece of evidence or is there more?
Have a look through my filter I explained the trfel thing and it does make sense.
I ended up out on the piss last night but I would have changed my vote to BH eventually if I had been around. I was hoping that an ace wagon could get started because if that guy's not scum I don't know what planet I'm on.
Here's where I'm at right now: Onegu Fecalfeast Tictock Tumblewood sicklucker Damdred Chezinu ExO_ [UoN]Sentinel Pandain replaced by AMG darthfoley Meapak_Ziphh BloodyC0bbler Ace Rels
Notable:
MZ has made more townie posts recently. I wish he would quit trying to lynch me though and hunt some scum with me instead. No longer on my scumlist.
Sentinel gotta go.
Rels looks townie to me because he has been scumhunting and his reasoning seems genuine. If rsoultin wants to come and convince me otherwise I'm listening but that qt thing, although suspicious, isn't really enough for me.
Damdred, onegu and Exo are all scumleans.
Any townies on that list need to come and play so we can have more to go off because this is just frustrating.
I'm afk for the rest of the day after another half an hour. If anyone has any questions or something I can answer other than 'jock is scum' ask now or spend the evening actually hunting scum instead.
On March 09 2019 02:43 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm afk for the rest of the day after another half an hour. If anyone has any questions or something I can answer other than 'jock is scum' ask now or spend the evening actually hunting scum instead.
I've got one for you.
It's your first game here.
Mafia chose to kill three dudes at night.
Have you gone to their filters who aren't a lot to read and tried to figure out what made mafia kill them?
Not really.
I had a brief (at least) look through everyone's filters. Did mafia definitely kill all three? I thought there was some discussion about that. From what I've seen of Iamp, koshi and marv's filters there's not much conclusive in there. Iamp was a bit all over the place and the other two hadn't done a huge amount of work so there isn't anything clear coming from them (unless you can enlighten me).
NKs are a little confusing to me at the moment. Even reading through previous games is a bit bewildering trying to figure out what's going on at night.
On March 09 2019 03:22 Vivax wrote: There is no town roleblocker, the doctor died D1. So mafia kills always stand.
Iamp was probably roleblocked N1, so either we don't have a vig or he's still holding the bullet.
oh that all makes things slightly clearer. So we'll probably learn alot more from whoever gets killed tonight than we did last time.
HF is eyeing you so the day you have to defend against lynch pressure is super close.
Btw you don't like MZ, Exo and TS for mafia?
I have to go like right now but short answers:
MZ: At first but as I've got more used to reading people I dunno if my original read was just nitpicking more than anything else. He was top ofmy list for a while, but I've gone cold on that idea for some reason
Exo: His filter doesn't look that scummy to me but my mind is open on that one. If he posts more or a wagon appears I would be interested.
TS: I haven't looked very much into compared to everyone else.
If I have to defend against lynch pressure from hf so be it.
I've answered all of his points and asked him to come at me today while i had the whole day free and he didn't bother. If he's waiting for me to leave then make of that what you will.
I would much prefer to spend my time scumhunting than defending myself but defending myself can't be that hard. I've tried to think through all the reads I've made so far. Mind you that didn't palmar or BH.
On March 09 2019 10:00 Holyflare wrote: I can't wait for your new reads list by the way Ace. It will literally be the highlight of my morning.
Are you sure that isn't going to be my post about how to ignore the main message of all your posts and instead look for what you're hiding in there?
I have no idea what you mean :D
Where in the uk you from btw?
Manchestaaaaaaaar!
Bloody northerners.
I'm worse I'm a voluntary northerner. I'm originally from near Peterborough in a little fantasy Harry Potter land called Stamford but all the fucking poncy southern shandy drinking bastards chased me up ere.
Its incredibly easy for anyone to see that ace is scum. He only has a 4 page filter and most of it is literally useless, apart from one obvious wagon that he can sink all of his reasonable looking posts into.
1: 1 word answers and anti discussion posting
The following is a list of just a few the times Ace simply quotes something questionable and puts a single word there or something obviously designed to avoid people coming back to him and asking questions about it. Its effective, because no=one ever does that and he gets away with artificially inflating his post count for basically doing nothing.
On March 05 2019 06:20 sicklucker wrote: na I need a confirmation too many rambos on this site who will shot vivax day 1 and waste are shit or something
Iamp is advocating to lynch bh constantly. It is our best bet.
Palmar tje fucker will shoot sentinel because palmar might be mafia.
Holyflare will shoot Palmar because town!HF is not really top tier and he doesnt know better.
Still no comprendo. Me no speak English.
He wants you to pad his ego.
Hey ace why koshi?
Random vote. Got a prod that I didn't have a vote on anyone. I'll change if Im around before EOD.
On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else.
Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you.
So no I am not down for lynching him -_-
If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison.
We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing.
So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game.
How about instead we look into this pool.
Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content
Iamperfection
I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it.
On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question.
i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow.
i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment
Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum.
This post reeks. Why would you pop up near EOD to post this? You even segregated players and faked outrage. Heavy FoS here.
Asks the question but isn't there to answer it. No detail just an accusation. Doesn't bring it up again.
On March 05 2019 10:21 Ace wrote: Well that was terrible.
@Trfel: Really wish you claimed :'(. GG tho dude/dudette.
There are no mafia doctors so vigis can shoot Holyflare at will. If he somehow does not die tonight he is an auto-lynch tomorrow.
Earlier in the thread when I was talking to HF and Wiggles, I was alluding to the fact that Hf or Palmar have to stick to their plan on the lynch (Sentinel). It would take a very convincing reason to lynch someone else. For all his talk, Palmar never came across as a strong scum read. HF lynching him instead of Sentinel or even BH means he has to die. He did not stick to his guns and did not have good reason to lynch Palmar.
side note:Would have been funny (and rage inducing) if Trfel flipped Cop and Palmar flipped back up Cop.
Anyway, we kill HF asap. No fucking around.
What is this? Even I know hf stuck to his guns he wan ted to lynch palm for a long time no?
Him wanting to lynch Palmar =/= good reason to switch.
Again there's nothing useful here just poking holes in posts.
On March 05 2019 10:21 Ace wrote: Well that was terrible.
@Trfel: Really wish you claimed :'(. GG tho dude/dudette.
There are no mafia doctors so vigis can shoot Holyflare at will. If he somehow does not die tonight he is an auto-lynch tomorrow.
Earlier in the thread when I was talking to HF and Wiggles, I was alluding to the fact that Hf or Palmar have to stick to their plan on the lynch (Sentinel). It would take a very convincing reason to lynch someone else. For all his talk, Palmar never came across as a strong scum read. HF lynching him instead of Sentinel or even BH means he has to die. He did not stick to his guns and did not have good reason to lynch Palmar.
side note:Would have been funny (and rage inducing) if Trfel flipped Cop and Palmar flipped back up Cop.
Anyway, we kill HF asap. No fucking around.
Good one voting the guy into mayorship that was saying he was sticking to his plan there, Ace.
On March 05 2019 07:36 Jockmcplop wrote: I've been keeping up but not posting. Shouldn't trfel be here defending himself if he's scum instead of that 'take it or leave it' bullshit?
On March 05 2019 07:56 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm voting trfel because so many people have reads on him and I'm not sure what's going on with BH at all.
Soo post one suggests that you think trfel is town and then you decide to vote for him as scum bc "you don't know whats going on with BC"
HMMMMMM
Also you're one of those HF lurker voters...
On March 05 2019 18:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 05 2019 18:29 rsoultin wrote: i'm done with you acro. go back to something interesting, if you can manage it. calling your maybes in your reads list bad was a good start
@jock uhhuh...yeah i don't get how you read this game and claim that hf didn't have a scumread on palmar that he made overwhelmingly clear multiple times including his intention to use the mayor lynch to vote him. if your uncommitted to any pov is your way of saying he's scum i guess that makes some sense but it's a lot of words just to nullread someone
At one point he said he wasn't going to lynch palmar and was just using the platform to find out who would go for it. The he said that was a lie. This is the post that is making me question his motives and how genuine his palmar read was.
This is literally hours after the flip dude. What about him literally killing palmar is making you question his motives. Jock you've waffled so many times on HF in the last 24 hours I can't help but feel like you're setting yourself up for either side of an HF lynch and you're just waiting to see which way the thread goes.
You also ask a lot of questions and push very few reads. You have only one substantial post detailing who you think is scum and have done nothing to advance your case... my goodness we're gonna have quite the docket of scum once I'm done sifting through the HF voters.
Yeah but this is a stupid case, and heavily cherry picked. Unfortunately you accidentally cherry picked the part that shows exactly why I did what I did. I'm sure you'll be gone for a week or whatever now though so you just left this here like a fart before you left. Great job.
Is there anything about my explanation for my questioning of hf yesterday that doesn't make sense? I had him as a townread and he's probably the most influential guy in the game at the moment. The way he went for the will I/won't I that you quoted here with Palmar and then explained it as just trying to have a laugh and inject fun into the thread (which is his explanation for all his anti-town actions) was something that got me thinking...
So given that during the night phase I have nothing pressing to take care of I thought I'd try and get more information to try and see where he's coming from (this is also why I'm didn't make alot of reads yesterday - no-one's listening to me anyway so it wouldn't help with town decision making either).
You guys read each other and make cases based off years of meta knowledge (which probably explains this weakass shit I wake up to), I only have people's actual posts to go off, and HF's were something I found a little weird. He is by no means the most suspicious guy in the game to me, but he's the most important at the moment so I don't want to be caught with my pants down accidentally townreading him.
Same goes for rsoultin. My thinking was exactly the same - although as the day went on it became clear that no-one's really paying her any attention so I dropped it.
When it comes to the trfel vote I was mostly concerned with making sure acro didn't get voted out as he's definitely town and useful. I wanted to get on a wagon and BH seemed like an interesting guy to keep around which was enough to go on for what was basically a coinflip.
yikes
On March 06 2019 17:24 Holyflare wrote: The people voting me are on the biggest cop out lynch of 2019. I bet they're the same people that whined that BH didn't get shot too.
What benefit does my flip bring other than drawing you closer to end game? BH at least gives you the information about wagons. I'm also pumping out content comparatively to BH who is just sitting there with the most information in the game about his wagon and instead he's still just repeating to kill him. You may not agree with what I'm writing but that's your choice.
You can look at MZ's spreadsheet to see how stupid lynching palmar would have been if I was mafia. I'm not stupid as mafia, I demand thread consensus and people town reading me because it's the path of least resistance.
I will look into you Holyflare voters and if I see that you complained that BH isn't dead I will know your motivation about lynching me is completely feigned.
R.O.F.L.
That second bolded though. Explain. Really :D. I don't see how a person who mostly wanted to kill himself would reveal more information on someone with strong opinions and an actual action we can tie to them.
On March 06 2019 17:29 Holyflare wrote:
On March 06 2019 17:28 Mocsta wrote: Hf
Some point this cycle. Preferably after ace responds. I want ur take on my ace case
I don't agree with it. Why would someone fabled for being so good at mafia make such blatantly false accusations? If he doesn't come up with some read based on those posts then yeah, probably mafia.
You definitely did not read Mocsta's post then. How many accusations did I make, to whom?, and how would you know they are false?
3 nothing posts in one.
1: no scumhunting
Ace has done no scumhunting. You can't call jumping on the obvious hf wagon and pushing that one kill scumhunting, it isn't, its hiding while posting. In sea of thousands of 'lynch hf' posts its hard to even notice ace's posts. Can anyone remember any of them specifically? Its a camouflage.
Over the course of the entire game, he has accused 3 people of being scum. HF: All of his posts that contain any detail at all are about hf. Most of them add nothing new to the discussion and just hang there like little grapes in a big ol basket of fruit.
Myself: He says I'm an obvious vigi shoot (I was voting to lynch him at the time). That's all
BC: Calls him scumcobbler at one point and posts a single sentence after a post he didn't like.
Its fair to say that there's no actual content here, but importantly the hf stuff gives the illusion of content, but its all just nothing.
3: Staying silent instead of defending himself
Ace ha been accused of being scum by multiple people on multiple occasions, and the only one time he has remotely defended himself was to say that he doesn't use meta in his play. Otherwise he's perfectly happy to stay silent. If he's town why doesn't he want people to know he's town?
Why is he acting so weird and only putting out the most basic timewasting posts?
Because he's in the mafia.
EBWOP the small text is meant to say 'or I'm dumb'. No disrespect intended ace.
Sorry I'm not posting much guys I'm reading everything but I have flu and analyzing stuff is giving me a major headache. As long as there's a wagon on ace I've been pushing for that lynch for days now anyway.
Hi everyone. I should be back and posting more today. My brain is no longer a hazy fog of dense wet sadness. Can someone explain to me why the NKs are weird this time? I'm not quote following the logic. Thanks
On March 12 2019 15:44 Jockmcplop wrote: Hi everyone. I should be back and posting more today. My brain is no longer a hazy fog of dense wet sadness. Can someone explain to me why the NKs are weird this time? I'm not quote following the logic. Thanks
We have claimed vigis who were not shot last night. Take that as you will since some people believe they were left alive as lynch bait. You'll have to draw your own conclusions
OK that makes perfect sense actually, thanks. I shall be looking into this with the utmost gusto.
On March 12 2019 15:44 Jockmcplop wrote: Hi everyone. I should be back and posting more today. My brain is no longer a hazy fog of dense wet sadness. Can someone explain to me why the NKs are weird this time? I'm not quote following the logic. Thanks
Gamestate, tumbleweed makes sense as confirmed town.
Ace and ticktock are the weird ones, because ticktock was a number with low pull; and ace was potentially lynchable. He did get 7 votes after all.
Why ace > Rels for example.
hmm ace was a bit more active as the game went on. From a brief look at his filter he wasn't really pushing for lynches though so i don't understand why the mafia would kill him and what we can learn from that. From the last couple of pages, he looked like he had suspicions about chezinu and onegu but that is all. Everyone has suspicions about chezinu and onegu.
On March 12 2019 18:37 Onegu wrote: I hate to say this.
Pandain looks a bit better after ace flipped green...
Is it possible he would move the wagon off of ace onto sent. Sure but not sure why he would... Only thing is chez was still I think even in votes when he made his case. But then to shoot ace... If he is scum that is a fucking next lvl play and I give props to him.
Here was my problem with pandain. Shooting HF so early in the day was like really bad for a townie. As town you want to balance getting as much info as possible vs giving town enough time to react. I think 24 hours into the day is the best option, not 5 minutes into the day. And after those NK HF looked alot more townie. I guess town can make a bad shot but meh. I will move pandain up to null/light town for now...
Chez has to flip today boys. We need to know his alignment. We need to know what that wagon looked like.
No. We need to lunch scum. Maybe we need to lunch you, you sneaky lurker
Im here... Not lurking...
Insofar as I have seen, your main push on Chez came from misinterpreting my role. Me explaining how it worked ended with you still saying Chez is scum for non-definite reasons.
Now I still have no fucking idea what the hell alignment the brown one is this game, but I really don't trust your intentions right now.
Right now I think its really doubtful there are 2 mad hatters. Other then that I think he needs to flip for info on the wagons yesterday.
If chez flips town what does that tell us about the wagons yesterday?
On March 12 2019 19:23 Pandain wrote: GG WP Ace and TW. TT is a weird shot. Either attempted blue snipe or he must have been on to something.
Looking through ticktock's filter he doesn't really seem to be 'on to' much of anything. He was having an argument with mocsta but I don't really think that's indicative of anything. He mentions onegu but he's not really pushing it. I reckon it was an attempted blue snipe.
The ace NK is confusing to me. I would have thought he was getting lynched soon anyway.
On March 12 2019 21:34 LightningStrike wrote: Me and Rels been talking in the QT and concluding that MZ is very likely Mafia based on the night kills. WoS scumread him Tina needed a closer look on him Rayn was scumreading him? (Don't know if he changed his read or kept the read after he said MZ is possible scum) Marv didn't say much on him Koshi was townreading him Iamp ??????? TT: Lynch into MZ and Wiggles Ace: ?????? Plus Rels been scumreading him and I agree with him on that front he’s very likely to flip scum for us. ##Unvote ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh
I downgraded MZ from scum to null but it might be worth a third look.
None of this is really conclusive though.
From these night kills there's 2 definite scumreads and one maybe but you can probably find those stats with pretty much any of the remaining players.
On March 13 2019 06:55 Grackaroni wrote: I'd actually put Jock in the lean scum category at the moment.
He's clearly very intelligent but he reads so sterile to me. It's like he's missing a certain spark of townie first game excitement. Just a lot of pointing out of the least useful filters.
Here's the problem I'm having at the moment: At first it was pretty fun going through filters and looking for contradictions and errors in consistency that could lead me to think people are scum. Everyone was doing the same things and some of my points were taken on board. As the game has progressed, more reads are to do with obscure/complex game mechanics and long chains of logic and with this stuff I genuinely have nothing to add and feel a bit stupid because I wouldn't know where to begin looking to get reads like that. The last 2 days (game time) I have been mostly confused and a little bit out of the game because of it. I'm reading everything and trying to get up to speed but the nature of the game at this point has completely changed from the beginning and I feel disadvantaged by it.
That's not to say I'm giving up on the game but until I know enough about certain things there's really no point in me getting involved in an argument about what 'mafia traitor' usually means how to deal with someone who is claiming and then unclaiming and then claiming something else.
On March 12 2019 23:39 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm coming around to the idea of a chez lynch at the moment. The evidence is piling up against him and tubesock's post is quite convincing.
Mind you, I like the idea that ff, chez are both mafia. That would be fun.
Since you seem to be around. What is this evidence you speak of?
It was mostly what onegu (I think) was saying about the various ff/chez scenarios considering they both claimed mad hatter. There were a bunch of posts around the same time that all the tended to say the same thing.
On March 12 2019 23:39 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm coming around to the idea of a chez lynch at the moment. The evidence is piling up against him and tubesock's post is quite convincing.
Mind you, I like the idea that ff, chez are both mafia. That would be fun.
Since you seem to be around. What is this evidence you speak of?
It was mostly what onegu (I think) was saying about the various ff/chez scenarios considering they both claimed mad hatter. There were a bunch of posts around the same time that all the tended to say the same thing.
It is odd that you only notice Onegu talking about it.
What would you say those things are, in your own words.
I didn't only notice Oneug talking about it. Read what i said again. I'll bold and italic the bit for you to make it nice and easy.
What would you say those things are, in your own words.
That since FF looks much more likely to be the genuine hatter chez probably isn't, was fakeclaiming and that is scummy.
On March 12 2019 23:39 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm coming around to the idea of a chez lynch at the moment. The evidence is piling up against him and tubesock's post is quite convincing.
Mind you, I like the idea that ff, chez are both mafia. That would be fun.
Since you seem to be around. What is this evidence you speak of?
It was mostly what onegu (I think) was saying about the various ff/chez scenarios considering they both claimed mad hatter. There were a bunch of posts around the same time that all the tended to say the same thing.
It is odd that you only notice Onegu talking about it.
What would you say those things are, in your own words.
I didn't only notice Oneug talking about it. Read what i said again. I'll bold and italic the bit for you to make it nice and easy.
What would you say those things are, in your own words.
That since FF looks much more likely to be the genuine hatter chez probably isn't, was fakeclaiming and that is scummy.
You are approaching the game only with binary arguments, they are easy to make for scum. What do you make of Tubesocks read post.
Nope. What you're doing is picking on a fairly old post and treating it as current. I haven't voted to lynch chez and since he claimed (again) I probably won't, for now. I haven't conclusively scumread chez, and at the moment I have him as a scumlean. There's nothing binary about that at all.
On March 14 2019 02:21 ExO_ wrote: Let me clarify, you correctly pointed out that [so far] "I'm doing just enough to not get mod killed" but just end with
"Why even bother with that if you are town".
You don't even address the possibility of me being scum. Ergo, you know I'm town because you are scum, so subconsciously you don't even feel the need to include this possibility in your post
That makes no sense.
When I say 'Why even bother with that if you are town' the implication is that you are scum. That was the whole point of the post. Basically I've scumread you so you lynchvoted me.
On March 14 2019 02:21 ExO_ wrote: Let me clarify, you correctly pointed out that [so far] "I'm doing just enough to not get mod killed" but just end with
"Why even bother with that if you are town".
You don't even address the possibility of me being scum. Ergo, you know I'm town because you are scum, so subconsciously you don't even feel the need to include this possibility in your post
That makes no sense.
When I say 'Why even bother with that if you are town' the implication is that you are scum. That was the whole point of the post. Basically I've scumread you so you lynchvoted me.
I didn't read it that way -- I think if you were scum reading me you wouldn't leave the language so soft. I honestly believe it's more likely you slipped a bit because you know I'm town.
@acrofales I was about to quote that post. That explanation of the chezinu situation makes total sense.
I don't know about the case against onegu though. I didn't understand how those night kills made hf definite town either, but I get what he's saying about the day vig should be waiting until later to get more info before shooting.
He's also right that no-one gets town cred from the sentinel lynch. Scum could have easily been on that wagon without knowing he was traitor.
The thing i find most scummy is that he needed to find a way to avoid responding to you.
On March 15 2019 16:08 Oatsmaster wrote: Also yeah I’m down for an onegu lynch
I don’t think it’s lylo, just because 4 mislynches is really punishing for town
Math me up, scumboi. How many scum are there and how do the KP work to make it not-lylo?
Do you know if the mafia traitor usually contributes to KP?
I only ask because if not, its more like 5 mislynches if you assume that the main focus of lynching early game is to reduce mafia KP rather than just kill any mafia.
On March 15 2019 16:08 Oatsmaster wrote: Also yeah I’m down for an onegu lynch
I don’t think it’s lylo, just because 4 mislynches is really punishing for town
Math me up, scumboi. How many scum are there and how do the KP work to make it not-lylo?
Do you know if the mafia traitor usually contributes to KP?
I only ask because if not, its more like 5 mislynches if you assume that the main focus of lynching early game is to reduce mafia KP rather than just kill any mafia.
I've outlined what I think are the likely scenarios for mafia KP and why we're in lylo. In neither of those does killing the traitor affect their KP.
The reason I think these are the most likely is because we can be fairly certain mafia had 3 KP on nights 2-4, and probably on night 1 as well. If we take that for true, then the only 2 formulas (that I thought of) that give a reasonable size scumteam and explain this KP number are the ones I outlined.
Killing the traitor who doesn't know about his team members and who in turn don't know about him isn't a mislynch, but it's not a clear victory either. No reduction in KP and no useful associations.
Anyway, you need to vote for Oats.
Is your case against oats mostly based off his politeness to Palmar being scummy? I'm not sure that's enough, although I don't like the way he has responded without answering that case.
On March 15 2019 11:52 Alakaslam wrote: Acrofales:
Why am i drawing your attention to this?
I have no idea. Because nobody has taken control of this boat?
Or because you think scum is captaining the boat?
Or because you really want to be in charge of rations?
Anyway, back to task.
I don't trust Mocsta's claim, rescinding it, or any of the reasoning around it. DF is probably scum, from my read through yesterday, but Oats is a sure thing.
We need a sure thing. So sheep me onto Oats!
Really starting to look like this
I wish this was my scumgame. I wouldn't be as worried about my reads flipping the wrong color.
That's the main reason I don't trust mocsta, btw. With Grack and SL flipping town, there's scum hiding in my townreads.
wtf is this shit
U gave me clear town read yesterday
Pull ya head out
Today is not about ego Its about lylo survival
Do u think oats n exo can be scum together? If not. Oats cannot be the best lynch choice today.
Again. This isnt ego Darthfoley has zero redeeming features. Absolutely zilch.
Oats has exo
Sorry, explain to me like I'm a 5 year old what the connection between oats and exo is please! Thanks
I have no idea. Because nobody has taken control of this boat?
Or because you think scum is captaining the boat?
Or because you really want to be in charge of rations?
Anyway, back to task.
I don't trust Mocsta's claim, rescinding it, or any of the reasoning around it. DF is probably scum, from my read through yesterday, but Oats is a sure thing.
We need a sure thing. So sheep me onto Oats!
Really starting to look like this
I wish this was my scumgame. I wouldn't be as worried about my reads flipping the wrong color.
That's the main reason I don't trust mocsta, btw. With Grack and SL flipping town, there's scum hiding in my townreads.
wtf is this shit
U gave me clear town read yesterday
Pull ya head out
Today is not about ego Its about lylo survival
Do u think oats n exo can be scum together? If not. Oats cannot be the best lynch choice today.
Again. This isnt ego Darthfoley has zero redeeming features. Absolutely zilch.
Oats has exo
Sorry, explain to me like I'm a 5 year old what the connection between oats and exo is please! Thanks
exo and oats are both playing lone wolf
Exo is complete loner but is awarw of thread sentiment Oats is loner but seems to be out of sync
The 2 styles are so different but same outcome (= loner) . I dont see both being scum.
I thought it exo was town and oats scum night 4. But acro thought exo was scummy which made me reconsider if exo could be scum and oata is playing dumb town.
Someone would have to meta dive oats and give a recent example of hom being dumb scum intentionally before i vote him in lylo with 15player pool.
This is enough doubt to lynch df or onegu over oats in my opinion
This all makes alot of sense to me, especcially the bolded part. Acro, you're up. I'm gonna need more from you if I'm going to vote Oats.
@acro Another interesting point to be gleamed from your post is that when Oats wanted us to stick to voting on the wagons it was confirmed TvT. The fact that he changes his tune for chez vs TS throws TS's alignment into question.. if you are going to scumread oats for that.
Thanks hosts + everyone else also for welcoming me. I know I faded towards the end (I didn't know how much effort was going to be required when i signed up lol) but i really enjoyed it and I'll be back for more if more happens
btw acrofales basically handed me my fake role in the game when he called me 'clueless townie' on day 1. Fine, I'm clueless, so I just played that angle up all game making stupid nonsensical reads (this is half because i don't know how to read people properly and half because i enjoyed the whole strategy). It worked because then the old confirmation bias kicked in and acro was my biggest defender after that just assuming that i was a clueless townie- actually i was clueless mafia.
I need to try and learn from this game so I have a couple of questions if you guys don't mind:
1: Was the win a result of bad town play more than good mafia play?
2: How to avoid the constant TvT wagons that wrecked this game for town?
3: Was there any more the mafia could have done to control the game or would this ultimately be an unnecessary risk?
4: Were there any big, defining errors made by town where the game should have gone differently?
I'm not asking for any detailed analysis, more just off the tops of your heads from memory as a guide for me so I know what to look for as I re-read the game.