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On February 19 2019 17:18 Jockmcplop wrote: /in I have never played before Perfect time to start welcome! | ||
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Come on, can't you see it's a part of a master plan to give people the will to play again? | ||
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On February 20 2019 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: TL Mafia is not allowed to die before i have 100 games. Aiming for 88 myself. then it can rest | ||
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On February 24 2019 01:46 Trfel wrote: /in? no need for the question mark | ||
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EDIT: or not, didn't see him at the top | ||
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haha | ||
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forcing myself to go through 40 pages right now | ||
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On March 04 2019 02:44 Pandain wrote: I thought there was some special feature on the mafia subforum that let you see "all" posts even after 50. There is none? nope, the special feature we have over the regular forums is the filter button | ||
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On March 02 2019 23:54 Conversion wrote: is that me? what's the point of hiding the name? Why would you jump to that conclusion ? | ||
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On March 04 2019 03:16 LightningStrike wrote: Yay rels is finally posting more hopefully he produces enough content I can actually get a good read on him :D my first real thought in this game was that I hated one of your posts, so not everything might be to your liking p: | ||
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On March 04 2019 03:26 LightningStrike wrote: Go ahead and just say which post and I can explain it better. there is nothing to explain otherwise I would have asked something. I hated this part where you're showing that you're very careful to act as you normally do: On March 02 2019 11:17 LightningStrike wrote: I wasn't being apologetic at all just reacting how I normally do to those type of posts? My first quote there was a reference to a game we played together in 2014 I want to say. I was reminding HF that it's a little early in the game to start acting serious. My 3rd quote was directly telling people I wasn't masons with Damdred since Damdred did claim I was masons with him. The last post was just me explaining that post. | ||
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On March 04 2019 03:33 LightningStrike wrote: I was being blunt in that post which I had similar type of posts hell here is one from when I was town: So your post you hating on me for is something similar to how I done it in the past as town. you're just proving my point lol | ||
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On March 04 2019 03:38 LightningStrike wrote: How was I proving your point? I just happened to remember that post from that H O L Y F * * * E because I kept reading all my old games for fun. just ironic that you're using old games to prove that you've always been self aware p: thanks for the link, I'll check if it's really a similar situation when I'm caught up (up to p33 atm) | ||
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On March 03 2019 23:14 LightningStrike wrote: I just woke up and I saw HF and Rayn were having a fight over what Rayn said was a case of HF lying about his read on Rayn o.o Dunno how to feel I think it was a clash of egos over anything else. Rels didn't post anything over night which made me very sad Hoping Rels post today or tomorrow before EoD so I can get a proper read on him and same with Damdred. @Tina what you think of the fight from Rayn and HF? So you don't have a read on Damdred at that point On March 03 2019 23:17 LightningStrike wrote: I don't blame you but I still a little upset that you not following Damdred's read on me who we both know have high chance of reading me correctly I thought you had more stuff you wanted to say that's all regarding my question towards you :\ But in the next seconds you're using Damdred's read on you to defend yourself ? That doesn't match | ||
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On March 04 2019 02:18 Ace wrote: Holyflare is absolutely hilarious. He/she gets my vote. was your mayor plan a bait? If yes what did you learn? | ||
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On March 04 2019 05:15 rsoultin wrote: Which one? The first was seeing if Rayn would get annoyed and come after me for ignoring his question. Which he both did and didn't so that was a wash. Though he did actively ignore me when I was trying to get clarification on his Iam read changing, which makes me want to lynch him and pretend that's more about scumreading him than ego. He's definitely still a scum lean, though. The second was seeing what happened with a Palmar vote when so many were kinda scumreading him but that one I just kinda abandoned cause impatient rsoul is impatient. And HF's comment on LS was right and that's actually a good way to read LS, but LS is probably just town for getting all out of whack with no real pressure on him lol >< Damdred is probably just scum though so that's nice ^^ It's not as strong a read as my tonal read that I think he's incapable of replicated as mafia but he's not playing this game right. OK disagree on LS raging being alignment indicative, he has shown that he can do it as scum to imitate his town meta | ||
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I skipped it while I'm still catching up p: only 1 page to go though now | ||
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On March 04 2019 05:30 rsoultin wrote: Has he? Ohhh I was trying to avoid looking through old games :/ yeah, millionnaire mafia | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + LS : - don't like his self-aware post "just playing like I normally do!" - p55: doesn't have a read on Damdred, but uses Damdred's townread on him to defend himself? Jockmcplop: - pretty good posts for a newbie - p37: lol so sure he's gonna be townread, pretty townie TT: - p20: first post, 3 bad townleans for nothing on Trfel LS and Chez - p58: emotion post on HF feels strongly real IAMP: - p23: has a good reaction to a passive Jock post, but then ignore the post where Jock explains himself just after. Cherry-picking - p25: getting angry at exo is kinda townie rsoul: - p24: weird doubts on rayn buddying her makes her pretty townie - p52: check what is this experiment Vivax: - p28: fixing on the Conversion post is pretty town Vivax Conversion: - p30: thinks Grack is talking about him for no reason? Hyper defensive about being scumread Ace: - p32: horrible mayor plan from what's supposed to be the old mafia god, might be a bait though WaveofShadow: - p34: Conversion is town because early small wagons are always bad? What a bad reasonning - p56: 3rd time I think that he randomly pops into the thread and makes useless posts Tubesock and Wiggles: - p35: good post by Wiggles about TS Tumblewood: - p36: catch up post feels very natural, especially compared to the TT constant spoiler & thoughts posts SL: - p39: only townreads post, very careful to not throw shade at anyone, very unlike SL BH: - p49: has a "suggestion" but we need to ask him if we want to know it. Could be scum wanting to appear more active than he is. Or might be bait rayn: - p52: triggered =D =D probably town | ||
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On March 04 2019 05:48 Damdred wrote: I think LS using my read on him is partially justifiable. I generally have an amazing read on him. Using me as a shield is kinda meh though but is up his alley. using your read to defend himself only works if he's sure you're town, but he said that he isn't sure you're town. That's TMI | ||
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On March 04 2019 05:53 Fecalfeast wrote: But this time you didn't prod him to do it in mafia chat, he just did it on him own? haha | ||
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On March 04 2019 06:01 Ace wrote: Town consensus is influenced by scum posts. Mayor shouldn't follow it to the tee. Mayor should be someone with their own ideas about who is likely scum while considering "the town's" opinions. We want a leader not a sheep 😁 was your mayor plan a bait? | ||
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On March 04 2019 06:17 Acrofales wrote: 1. Iamp is an idiot. He makes a case on me every game and it's always really bad. can you quote one of them ? IAMP is claiming it has never happen | ||
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On March 04 2019 07:16 rsoultin wrote: I'm not liking wave this game for reasons I can't describe other than he seems like one of those old vulture headed muppets in the peanut gallery. me too. He's popping once in a while to say nothing. His one post that contains something serious is also pretty bad, how Conversion is town because it's an early game wagon | ||
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On March 04 2019 07:25 rsoultin wrote: Lol >< I know this is ironic but you playing D1 is skeezing me out, and though I think I'm obv town I also know I look a bit like a looney toon on crack so I'm not sure why you'd be top towning me in this crowd which I presume is the reason you're voting me mayor? But I'm gonna ignore that as a later in the game concern. Anyone else on Wave? Like I don't really remember ever being so great at reading him or anything and I think he's kinda blah like this as town sometimes but maybe not to this extent idk >< 72 hours of D1 is a blessing for me The way you doubted yourself over rayn was super townie | ||
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On March 06 2019 01:45 LightningStrike wrote: Also where is Rels man Iwould think he would actually do some shit now that it's night 1 but he's MIA. Hmmm.... assembling the motivation needed to play | ||
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BH. Was replaying to this. On March 06 2019 02:59 Vivax wrote: Basically he let BH off the hook way too easily for it to be town iamp. "if BH doesn't get lynched TL mafia is ded" to '"Let's vote the guy who's going to kill Palmar" | ||
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On March 06 2019 03:27 WaveofShadow wrote: I honestly forgot you were in the game entirely. I wish we had like 17 vig shots no worries that will change soon. Starting to be interested in this game now | ||
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On March 05 2019 05:01 Ace wrote: @holyflare: just voted you for Mayor. I haven't fully caught up but I've been skim reading. Assuming you win the election your plan is what again? Just restate for clarity so I'm not confused or in case I missed any new developments. Well, maybe thazt's a scumread after all. WTF is this. You voted someone without knowing what he would do? | ||
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On March 06 2019 03:34 LightningStrike wrote: Why was your motivation so low you finally decided to come back? just the usual, I just don't know what to do D1. People posts some stuff, and I see nothing interesting. People are attackijng eadch other over small stuff that doesn't make sense, and that's almost never right IDK I understand that's it's an important part of the game to have some nfos later but I hate it | ||
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On March 05 2019 10:28 Ace wrote: Him wanting to lynch Palmar =/= good reason to switch. yes it is? That doesn't make sense | ||
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On March 06 2019 03:44 LightningStrike wrote: Spamming wanting to die does wonder on the filter size yeah. 99% sure he's scum playing the too scummy to be scum card. I've seen him do that in another game I've played with him | ||
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On March 06 2019 03:47 Acrofales wrote: Except he isn't being too scummy to be scum. what do you mean? | ||
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On March 06 2019 03:51 Acrofales wrote: I mean, BH is gonna have to die or we're just gonna have this conversation til the end of days. But This while useless seems like a VT who doesn't want to play, and not like a scummer who doesn't want to play. He's at least dropping *some* kinda info there. Note that this was pretty much simultaneous with Conversions shenanigans, so unless they are scum together (a possibility that we shouldn't disregard and why we need the flip), BH really thought he was getting lynched here, and this is his "last words". 100% disagree. That would work on other people, but I've witness the guy fake thinking the deadline was 1 hour earlier than it was to fake try starting shennannies. This kind of post is very possible for him even if he's scum. And that costs him nothing, if he dies he dies, if he lives people townread him for it. | ||
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On March 06 2019 04:01 iamperfection wrote: I don't know. This post was crap though maybe scum sure sry I was talking to rsoul p: but the thing that bothered me about him is how he changed his LS read by just talking to people when he's supposed to have a god read on hipm | ||
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On March 06 2019 04:05 rsoultin wrote: Town circle building + whiny though he hates it when I call him whiny. what about him ejecting LS from his town circle? | ||
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On March 04 2019 05:50 Damdred wrote: It is mostly tonal, and for his lack of reads...sometimes he does roll around the thread and just remarks on stuff with innocence. The rage sora points to town but hes pulled that stunt as scam before with me prodding him of course...so that's more null now I suppose. On March 04 2019 06:01 Damdred wrote: And I sont think there is anything in the thread to indicate ls is scum atm. OK I was wrong, I thought he turned his LS read at this point but reading back he didn't carry on | ||
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On March 06 2019 04:13 rsoultin wrote: Idk why that would be significant? Contrary to LS's opinion, it is possible for people who know him to scumread him for flitting throughout the thread with no real suspicions of any sort. Damdred still didn't want to lynch him and it seemed like he was doubting more than actively scumreading -shrugs- I think that a scum Damdred probably wouldn't waffle on LS's alignment at all, ftr, since he's 'known' for being able to read him yeah I was wrong | ||
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On March 06 2019 09:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Marv dying makes BH mafia. ? why | ||
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On March 06 2019 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Nvm it doesnt. But hes still mafia. Rels do you want to solve the game witm me, hf and rsoultin? I have unlimited amount of time on thursday. ofc. Game is getting interesting | ||
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On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me? Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum. In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me looooool this is so good | ||
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Now. IF HES SCUM AND HE LIVES AND WINS. He's gonna mock me and whoever townread him forever. I know this is a ridiculous way to handle this situation but that's waht I think. So the solution: he msut be lynched in LYLO. I won't be there to push it probably, but if he's alive in LYLO, no matter what, lynch him. IF YOURE READING THIS DURING LYLO, LYNCH HF IF HES STILL ALIVE | ||
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On March 06 2019 09:27 Holyflare wrote: At least we gather some vote d1 vote swap information. The conversion slot, the one that saved BH for no discernible reason (as well as Vivax I guess) was town. If Vivax is town, he's in a great spot to know that there was no mafia last minute shenanigan to save BH and thus BH is likely town. He's auto voted BH though so he's probably not that smart. This seems stupid to me. BH knows he's gonna be lynched when he begins shitting the thread with all the "policy me!" posts. Mafia had time to discuss and prepare for it. Some probably voted him, some probably didn't, whatever, I don't think any kind of vote analysis will be very strong after the moment BH starts martyring. Now after that, scum are always pretty unlikely do switch at deadline. That attracts attention, and scum does not like attention. Now it depdends on the player ofc, but most won't switch at deadline, even to save a partner. Add to that that BH is not even a strong player worth saving, and knows he's gonna get lynched sooner or later. So in my mind, this part is stupid: "there was no mafia last minute shenanigan to save BH and thus BH is likely town". | ||
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On March 07 2019 03:06 Tumblewood wrote: if you don’t want to be lynched, that seems like a pretty pro-mafia thing to want if you are mafia. and by this i mean your logic only works if you begin with the assumption that rels is mafia. I think he's only challenging that my HF post was alignment indicative, not saying that it's scum indicative | ||
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On March 07 2019 04:28 LightningStrike wrote: Tina here is my best scum game since you had retired just so you got a little bit extra info about what Rels was talking about here: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503886-who-wants-to-be-a-millionaire-cell-mini-mafia?user=LightningStrike Speaking of Rels: Rels what is your current read on me and why? if Tina is town you're very likely town. And I think Tina is town | ||
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On March 07 2019 05:35 sicklucker wrote: if we were gonna yolo lynch I think rels is the guy. he starts getting active as mafia starts winning. very nice. also thinks im scum for some reason which seems forced (omgus) ? you know me too much to think this is me being active. And my reason for thinking you're scum is pretty clear too. And I don't like attacking you as scum anyway, you're unlynchable when you get going | ||
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On March 07 2019 08:22 Blazinghand wrote: To be honest, aside from not participating at all D1 and martyring heavily for the first 96 hours of the game (72 hours of hoping to be lynched, 24 of hoping to be shot) I'm not sure how what I did was scummy. Well, this is what you did p: | ||
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On March 07 2019 08:34 Blazinghand wrote: I think I've actually only been mislynched once or twice in my career on TL Mafia. I may not be a particularly accurate catcher of scum, but historically I would put up a hell of a fight as town if people tried to lynch me. Is this a defense or just an observation? Cause you didn't put up a hell of a fight yesterday | ||
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On March 07 2019 11:32 Blazinghand wrote: The sentence afterwards references "Aside from that, Mrs Lincoln, how was the play" so yes congrats on making an observation that i literally made in that part you cropped out of my post yeah but I'm scumreading you for this part of the game, you cannot say to me "if you forget this part of the game I'm not scummy" when my ENTIRE point is based on it | ||
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On March 07 2019 04:19 Grackaroni wrote: The one other thing I'd say is that I'm pretty sure the day 1 votes on Oats are all town HF/Rsoultin/trfes/slam/Acro/Jockmcplolp The only one I really think might be scum is slam and I have no read on him whatsoever. what's the reasonning? | ||
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On March 07 2019 11:37 Blazinghand wrote: ok but aside from that.... The joke is that in USA, President Abraham Lincoln was assassinated shortly after the civil war. He was watching a play, along with his wife. The joke is to imagine someone interviewing his wife, Mrs. Lincoln, and asking her how the play went. She would say something like "it was terrible! my husband is shot!" and then the asker says "ok, but aside from THAT..." I guess it's a highly american-context turn of phrase, to say "the thing I am asking you to set aside is huge, and I acknowledge this, while poking fun at myself" - I forgot that europeans wouldn't know this TIL | ||
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never mind, I thought them voting Oats was why they were town | ||
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On March 06 2019 02:48 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + Current list of thoughts. I'll try to keep myself from repeating takes but I didn't write these in order so I might occasionally say the same thing twice, especially if I'm commenting on another player's analysis of a third player. 1) Onegu Onegu's contributions to the thread have been pretty lacking. Up to now all his contributions have been joke reads. But that also seems par for the course for Onegu. I looked at a grand total of two other games for comparison. In Hurricane Shelter he was town and posted like he does now. In Names are Hard 2 he was scum and posted a bunch of reads. So I guess he looks town for now 2) Fecalfeast The good news is there's one theme in his filter and it's "I want to find scum and lynch them". Red reads on chezinu and LS. 3) Holyflare Massive fucking filter. I'm going to skip to the end where he talks to people who aren't me, about me. HF was the first one to accuse me of foul play. Palmar took it and ran from there. Slam has said that already but I'll repeat it here. What I like about HF is at least on the surface his play seems honest On March 04 2019 00:07 Holyflare wrote: So why are you not voting me as mayor when i want to mayor vote Sentinel? On March 04 2019 00:08 Holyflare wrote: You even contradict yourself here. Now you're willing to allow a mayor to policy lynch sentinel? in that whole chain he holds LS accountable for sheeping On March 04 2019 00:55 Holyflare wrote: I am not berating you as a person. I am merely pointing out that it's a very strange platform for you to follow if someone else had said the exact same thing and yet you didn't bat an eyelid. If you did not know I said that and have actual personal reasons to not want to vote for me then fine. I am in no way insulting you as a person, nor do I dislike you as a person. I merely dislike the catch up style because it is contrary with how I like to play, which is conversational, which I believe you've refrained from doing with me for a while. I had genuine points on you this game which you've neglected to answer and then I had seen this vote. Do you think it is in my best interest to just ignore that or push it? I'm sorry you feel this way about me but I truly don't mean any offense by the way I talk. Honestly, I don't even remember the last game I played with you so that's on me I'm afraid. I hope we can get past this and actually talk about the game. Unless you are mafia in which case this post is disgusting. I haven't played the game they're referring to or looked at it, but I agree with the rest of this post. I find myself catching up a lot because like many people in the thread I underestimate the time commitment of this game, but I'd go even further than HF and say that that style is conducive to mafia because it's easier to slip through the cracks. That's not to say everyone who lurks or has other things to do is red, but it is a town strategy to encourage and pressure others to be more active in the thread. 4) Palmar Most of his posts are about lynching me. I think at this point in the game if you're scum, sheeping Palmar is the best strategy. Why Palmar in particular? He's got a commanding role in the thread and all of his actions look like he's finding scum - for now. The schtick might get a little old if he does literally nothing else and disappears but at least for now it's proactive enough to find at least one suspicious looking player and encourage people to vote for a second one (or give him that power - if he was 100% serious it would be trouble but he's not being 100% serious). If he's town well then he kills one of his own, and once I flip town suddenly it's all for naught because people are at least a little suspicious of him. The reason you'd sheep him and not oppose him as mafia is because 1) he's already made the anti-Sentinel arguments for you so you don't need to think, and 2) you could always look good and defend me so that when I flip town you can say "I told you so" but as mafia it's dangerous to be right when everyone else isn't, especially if you haven't made a constructive argument for why I'm actually town. If he's scum it's a pretty safe position since I'm not his teammate and unlike say Rels I've actually posted in this thread from time to time, which gives him just enough rope to hang me. Once I flip he can use the exact same argument to vindicate himself because mistakes happen. 5) LightningStrike It's Mr. No Reads! On March 02 2019 12:42 LightningStrike wrote: Mainly he been taking some of my stuff out context and making them look worse than what they are. Rayn also had a good point about him too regarding his handling of me and conversion. I want to see more from him though to see if I got his alignment right. Very noncommittal and seems to be deflecting from himself rather than pressuring MZ. On March 02 2019 23:25 LightningStrike wrote: I think you might be reading to much into it? Didn't seem like he was trying to suck it up to Tina at least to me. Soft defense of Trfel On March 02 2019 22:18 LightningStrike wrote: Also liking rayn so far this game though and same with Tina hopefully we get more people to post! Soft defense of rsoultin & rayn On March 02 2019 23:41 LightningStrike wrote: Anyways I think Vivax might be town atm just going to see if he can continue posting since he can't keep it up as scum. Soft defense of Vivax On March 03 2019 11:00 LightningStrike wrote: df seems town, Oats null at best atm wanting more content from him. Palmar not really doing shit but it's the weekend he doesn't do shit on the weekend unless he's scum Day 1. I willing to give FF a Day since he's not being lazy FF. I missing a certain french person and a certain american Soft defense of darthfoley, no commitment on Oats, wanting to give FF and rayn more time. On March 03 2019 11:32 LightningStrike wrote: Sent is policy at best I wont lynch him unless there is no better option honestly. Doesn't vote for the policy lynch (e.g. ##Mayor: Palmar). No commitment. On March 03 2019 11:51 LightningStrike wrote: Sent please read your role pm at some point before EoD would greatly appreciate it. <3 There's two universes here. Let's say you're dead set on believing I'm scum. Town LS should be pressuring me in some way. Palmar's entire platform is "Lynch Sentinel" so the easiest way to do that would be vote Palmar for mayor. Scum LS would be doing everything in his power to save his teammate. Or bus me but obviously he isn't doing that here. Now let's say you correctly surmise I'm town. Town LS has no way of knowing this and LS hasn't given any reasons as to why I should be town. There is no take up to this point from him that says "Sentinel is town". You can always unvote later. What do you have to lose by not voting for Palmar in an effort to pressure me? And Scum LS would know I'm town, in which case all of the above comes across as a massive out in the event Palmar succeeds and I flip town. The reason I believe it's the last case - that LS is scum - is because that behavior dovetails very well with his play. All of his reads are null to soft town, never giving too much justification whether or not they're town. He often plays devil's advocate with other people's scum reads and asks people "do you have full faith in your read?" without suggesting any alternatives. Oftentimes he follows this up with "I want to give [suspicious player] more time to post" without actually pressuring the suspicious player in any way. At 5 pages LightningStrike's filter is one of the longest in the game but most of it so far has been this kind of vapid content. On March 03 2019 23:15 LightningStrike wrote: Also the Sent train is a big concerning considering I thought we were going to use our mayor thing on him instead of lynching him? And yet he didn't vote for a mayor (still!) despite admitting "Palmar wants to use his mayor thing on Sent" On March 03 2019 23:28 LightningStrike wrote: But for real though Sent is null at best. I don't think Oats is mafia compared to his last game he actually got some reasoning for his reads instead of just saying why something is bad/mafia. I think Tina is still Town and same with Vivax and Rayn. I kinda want to give a attempt of a sicklucker read and say he's town to make it a tiny bit easier for myself since he did claimed scum as town before. Damdred is just mia and might not be alignment indicative. Still no commitment on me! Null at best. That would be great if LS had any other scum reads but all he has are soft town reads and null reads. Still no conclusions on Oats. Soft defenses on rsoultin & rayn & vivax a second time in this game. Another "I want to give him more time to post" this time on sicklucker. Solid red. 6) Blazinghand Started reading the thread and his analysis of this game should come through around the same time as his analysis of British Empire Mini II. 7) Tictock I'll be happy voting for him if only to get him to stop putting all his reads in spoilers Here are some of his noteworthy takes On March 02 2019 14:30 Tictock wrote: Meap seems very Mafia to me on this page, he even does this "Guide me Senpai" thing with HF that I hate. Gut wants me to vote Meap, so vote Meap I shall. I agree with this for the same reason. More on this in my Meapak DD in the next post On March 02 2019 14:44 Tictock wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2019 10:27 Damdred wrote: LS is town, that is all. More when I get home and find a town circle to kill from within. Ehh, I can't make up my mind what I want to say about this, I agree with him (which typically gives me townfeels for Damdred) but this feels like an easy, "free" read and post from Damdred. For some reason was noteworty to me... idk. Dam Trfel... + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2019 10:29 Trfel wrote: Honestly, just guessing. Seems like the right number, that or six, I'd rather overestimate than underestimate. As to why, I figured it would be eye-catching You said(typed) it with such confidence though, I Believed... + Show Spoiler + Ok... Damdred Probs town. + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2019 10:31 Chezinu wrote: Holyflare, Great detective work! I would love to have you on my team as lead investigator! I will be sure that the corporate office hear of this amazing discovery! Best, Chezinu Isunizehc Why does this game irrelevant post get praise from you Chez? + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2019 10:33 LightningStrike wrote: Me and Damdred aren't masons even though I wish we were masons Honest to a fault... Totes town. Willing to give solid townleans on Trefl and LS, and a minor townlean on Damdred thus far. I've also got a bit of a gutread on FF at this point, but I'm not sharing it yet. What's interesting here is that the foundation of all of this is LS's first three posts. I don't know which three posts qualify but up to the "me and Damdred aren't masons" LS has posted nothing of substance, town or not. Damdy is town because he agrees with LS. He's masons with LS and LS is town so they can't be scum together. Oops LS isn't a mason but LS is town and Damdy is still town because he said LS is town. His justification is LS can be a hard player to read, but all these posts are honest sadness that people are starting to play for real and not just joke around and shoot the breeze as many recent games have started. Not saying I have some kinda God-Read on him or anything, but that is how I try to and what I get from those posts. So all of his town reads by association come from a belief that LS is honest. And that belief is predicated on the fact that LS was joking around. HF seems to be posting to post and I don't like it, but it's not really a scum read right now. It's just him coasting. Speaking of my Watch List, I think it's something like this right now: ... HF (just not comfortable with him just floating around the game making no impact, yet being relatively present) I think this is colored by TT's dislike of HF On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed. I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum. Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor. If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch. I don't like this post because he started with a gutread on her and acted off that information throughout the game, leading to the conclusion: rsoultin is town. It cheapens the value of all the evidence he posts afterward to support the fact rsoultin is town. Leaning red 8) Oatsmaster Oats is one of the few players in this game who's accused too many people of being mafia rather than too few. Then retracts some of them with this: That's more generous than I would have phrased it but OK No Yes I chuckled I haven't played with HF enough to confirm or deny this and I don't have enough time to evaluate the meta of 35 players OK I think if you lean red on everyone it's only slightly better than leaning green on everyone. I'd almost call it a scum play Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean Oats because even with that pressure he doesn't commit to any sort of scum team besides "half the thread", at least in any meaningful way to advance the game. + Show Spoiler + 11) sicklucker The "Hi I'm mafia" post doesn't inherently strike me as bad. The entire first page of his filter is... interesting. Starts out with a lot of one-liners and a one-liner plus a quote from TL's spam warning. To quote Trfel, On March 02 2019 21:59 Trfel wrote: Does that make sense? It doesn't look like he's trying to find mafia, just trying to exist. What's more On March 03 2019 06:44 sicklucker wrote: People i wouldnt lynch yet. Sent claimed for some readon Slam Ryan Hf Ls Rstoulin Tube maybe This provides nothing of value, and On March 03 2019 16:10 sicklucker wrote: its not a joke bro.+ Show Spoiler + makes me think townie palmar for now this, as I said in the previous post, is probably the best thing you can do as scum right now. This is the second-to-last post at the time I wrote this. On March 03 2019 16:14 sicklucker wrote: Hey ls how do you think about the current game. I know your town its really boring but you are and if your not ill kill you later anyway . Knowing you I want to keep your contributions to the game really simple of people you know. I want the dirt boo I want the dandred reads and such. thats your job this game keep it simple but effective. and when im mafia you can lynch me in final 3 like always its fine And this is the final post. Lots of fun stuff here. Claiming LS is town despite having no takes on him before or after this moment, asking LS to provide reads he himself can build off off, and another "I'm the mafia" joke which again in a vacuum isn't bad but on the tail end of a post like this looks bad to me. Overall, no real scum reads, 1/2 iffy town reads on rsoultin and LS. However here's some mitigating factors: On March 02 2019 22:47 sicklucker wrote: im more just pointing out shit reads and im the constant that I know stole my gameplan On March 02 2019 22:50 sicklucker wrote: like im sure there have been some good negative reads for example. I liked rayns read on me that somethings off. I kind of agree on that one On March 02 2019 22:59 sicklucker wrote: I mean not just accurate just something I think a townie would feel about me since I havent played this shit game in years These posts give me the suspicion that SL isn't scum but just being bad town given that it's his first game in a while and it's got 35 people in it. Palmar would probably policy lynch him but I'd rather find scum than take a risk on a bad townie who at least has the ability to lynch red players with everyone else. 12) Acrofales What I don't like about Acrofales is that he read the same TT post I did but somehow he thought TT did a good read whereas I thought he did the opposite. What I do like is he posts a definite shitlist: On March 03 2019 17:52 Acrofales wrote: Going out again til late. Let's lynch Track. If not him, at least someone in this list: 2) Fecalfeast 8) Oatsmaster 9) WaveofShadow 11) sicklucker 17) ExO_ 19) [UoN]Sentinel 20) Grackaroni28) Trfel 30) Mr. Wiggles I do think he has a strong justification to vote for Palmar Mayor rather than HF mayor in that Palmar's fate in the thread is dictated entirely on whether or not I'm scum. It's a more one-to-one relationship. Whereas even if HF is wrong, a malicious HF could use all the other stuff to look town. 15) Chezinu I'm not reading the RP. There's probably something good in there especially in the second half of his filter but I don't care enough to look for it. 17) ExO_ Came into the thread and posted a bunch of memes and left. Hasn't done anything since. The only reason I'd give for vigging him in particular of all the inactives is that he interacted with people (by posting memes), rather than just saying hi and disappearing (which could be for any IRL reason as well). He was following the thread if not reading it. 19) [UoN]Sentinel Confirmed town 26) Mocsta He just came in so I'll probably develop my takes further. Here are some of his deep dives and my thoughts on them On March 04 2019 00:00 Mocsta wrote: Hmmm So far i read sentinel / sicklucker / palmar Sentinel seems ok. Like his first couple posts were iffy but seemed quite comfortable/relaxed esp when asking for vote pile up. I didnt like acro in sentinel filter. Cheesy focus on lurjers.. reqd like he was polishing a turd. Im not against a policy lynch but it would be purely that. I would prefer mayor vote on him so ppl are forced to take a stand for the lynch itself. Sicklucker i read cos i thought he was tubesock lol... filter seemed ok too. Nothing stood out to me and seemdd to have some focus. Not posting to shit the thread Palmar filter was good because it had some quotes from rayn and acro. I like that rayn picked up on acro.. palmars counter about weak play are fair and aceo is a solid player. But i give higher credit to weekend and massive game = preference to cop out even if mafia. I do like palmat back and forth with rayn and even though i know palmar excels at pushing for thread soapbox position it read as if he was trying to work with the thread instead of pretend to keep up a facade. Onto acro filter now The most interesting thing here is the Palmar take. He offers some soft counters against the Palmar mayor platform even though he ultimately agrees with it. On one hand at this point it reads like "I'm behind Palmar but if things don't work out I'm giving myself this escape route". Between this and his analysis of Acrofales and trfel though, and taking into account he had a huge thread to work with by the time he showed up, what I like about Mocsta's posts this game is they've been consistent. He starts with the player's meta and compares it to their play up to now in this thread and draws his conclusion on whether they're town or scum. As opposed to deciding whether or not a player is town or scum based on hunches/other motives and then finding evidence to buttress his position. This is pretty honest play and On March 04 2019 00:30 Mocsta wrote: I will place on whoever has highest vote count at this point. as long as "at this point" doesn't extend too long into D1 I think Mocsta is looking slightly green. I'd like to hear more from him though before I can firmly say he's green or not. 27) Koshi No posts yet 28) Trfel Happy birthday! Just like SL he "Hi I'm mafia" post in itself doesn't strike me as bad. What does strike me as bad is the back-and-forth about how many mafia there are in the game. His exchanges with first HF and then Conversion come at a time when rayn and a few others are trying to grill LS and MZ. Trfel and Chezinu provide a lot of volume between every post in that attack. The flip side to this is that by the next page both he and Chez are gone and the attacks continue, so it's not like he was just running interference as scum until rayn et al. took the heat off his teammates. On March 02 2019 21:59 Trfel wrote: I actually kinda want to lynch sicklucker. He's currently contributed almost no reads (if I recall correctly, dislike of Acrofales and a town-to-meh read on rsoultin). Yet he took the time to defend himself verbosely from the slightest suspicion of rsoultin, which feels highly overdefensive, but his argument was defending his townread of rsoultin while his read, just previously posted, seemed far less committed: Does that make sense? It doesn't look like he's trying to find mafia, just trying to exist. This is correct but I'd also like to point out prior to making this post he had precisely zero reads except calling rayn "maybe mafia" before retracting it in his next post. His next substantial post is agreeing with rsoultin that Tubesock is mafia and providing zero new or contradictory thoughts on TS in that entire post. Then comes this: On March 03 2019 06:43 Trfel wrote: I agree Oatsmaster's play has been quite subpar so far, and I agree that his assessment of your play this game is awful. However maybe I'm wrong in this but I don't feel like his play is mafia-motivated at all. I don't really think mafia would want to enter the thread late and use a bunch of garbage reasons to push suspicion at people, including people like you who are quite likely to respond and respond with a lot of weight. It would be an exceptionally stupid move. Maybe it's dumb but that makes me actually not want to lynch Oatsmaster right now. Or was there something else you were referring to? On March 03 2019 06:44 Holyflare wrote: No, it's that. That's quite a common oats mafia play. Throw darts blindfolded and be controversial and hope something sticks. On March 03 2019 06:46 Trfel wrote: @sicklucker, why wouldn't you want to lynch rsoultin? Last I saw, you were just at maybe nah maybe nah? @Holyflare, fair enough, I'll take a look. Thanks for letting me know. On March 03 2019 06:50 Trfel wrote: Also it's easier to just vote for Oatsmaster than look at his meta so I'll just be doing that. This is a really scummy move. He provides some counterarguments to HF, and then dismisses his own case taking HF at his word. This makes me think he didn't actually consider whether or not Oats is scum but just waffled a bit to figure out which way the wind was blowing and then take his position accordingly. Putting all this together it looks like Trfel is in the thread pretending to find scum without actually contributing anything to finding scum. 30) Mr. Wiggles More active lately. On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear. I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too. I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember. I like this. Pressures people to take more risky positions = information. On March 04 2019 01:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote: @HF, you seem like a cool guy, but I'm thinking my mayor vote will be going to Palmar. You've got a bit of a loose cannon vibe going on whereas Palmar is essentially Judge Dredd. @rsoultin: Chezinu is our albatross. If you kill him you'll be thirsty for the rest of your life. @LS: I don't understand this weird martyrdom thing you're doing. If you're town why the heck would you want to just roll over and die because a couple people scumread you? Bad vibes. His LS read agrees with my LS read but isn't as strong. I dislike the Palmar justification because it seems to me that the end result is the same (both want to lynch me atm) but HF has offered more information to act on. Especially since in the last post Wiggles showed approval for HF, so it's not like he thinks he's red or anything. 31) BloodyC0bbler Posts some early reads, hasn't done much since. Most interesting is his defense of Chezinu and attack on rsoultin for attacking Chezinu. Acrofales has said everything I want to say about him so I'll just quote his post: 2) Cobbler posted some reads and something provocative, and gave time for them to answer. I liked his first post and will wait for more. The fact that he's aggressive seems fine. Not going to do anything meta with it, because the last time I played mafia is probably 4 years ago or so and while I remember playing with Cobbler I can't for the life of me remember his alignment. I do remember him being aggressive tho, but not abusive. 32) Ace The only thing of substance he's done in the thread so far is propose to nominate a lurker for mayor before disappearing from the thread. But it also does carry the cost of another NK. The lurker doesn't even have to show their hand since there's a lot of plausible deniability between "I haven't been keeping up with the thread" and "In the 30 minutes I've been here I think [suspicious townie] is scum". This gives me red vibes but Ace hasn't been here long enough for me to say for certain. 34) iamperfection Comes out the gate with a bunch of one-liners. The rough sequence is: 1. I lean green on Tictock 2. I lean red on MZ 3. Jock had a bad post 4. Acro had bad posts 5. Chez has bad posts and is running interference 6. Sentinel's town read is prescient of his role. The man in the gif holds up 5 fingers which means it's a 5/5 play 7. Actually Tictock might be red 8. Oats is bad but not red Gonna remove a nested quote so it's visible: you know this "8. Oats is bad but not red" is from the iamp read right? | ||
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On March 04 2019 03:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I think if you lean red on everyone it's only slightly better than leaning green on everyone. I'd almost call it a scum play Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean Oats because even with that pressure he doesn't commit to any sort of scum team besides "half the thread", at least in any meaningful way to advance the game. On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum. On March 06 2019 09:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: There's actually two parts missing. "I'd almost call it a scum play [but] Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean [red on] Oats because even with..." That being said, it's the slightest of scum leans and I never grouped him in my lynch targets like Trfel, LS, etc. meh. Maybe. It's kinda weak | ||
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On March 07 2019 12:06 Ace wrote: Holyflare is Scum https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27283802 <---bullshit filter dive in fact, there are just too many posts that show he isn't scum hunting. It's either a lax attempt to show what someone else did wrong, asking "what should we do now?" type questions, or just filler. Outside of this, he killed Palmar. The entire reason behind my Day 1 post was to tie any mayor candidate to their lynch choice. It's not just that he didn't lynch Sentinel - if he had justifiable reasons then so be it. But he lynched Palmar and his reasoning rests on because he thought he was scum. Seriously. This guy should be the obvious lynch. How many people really thought Palmar was scum? He just did it because he could.And even if you somehow don't believe he's Scum he is clearly a net negative for the Town. He literally has done nothing - and this is coming from a guy who's been afk, caught up on only 30 pages or so and sees the nonsense plain as day. The nightkills - 3 dead. All Town. I refuse, literally refuse to think a vigilante shot any of them over Holyfield. Like it seems unfathomable that the targets would end up at Marv, Iamp, or Koshi (lol wut?). Especially with one being Vet and dying (maybe Rb + shot). If there's a third party out there, I think it goes without saying you should start shooting scum or clashing flips from now on Lastly, I saw something about marv playing cop wrong. I actually think he made himself "obvious town" or whatever you want to call it and should have drawn night protection. Especially since he was a replacement with fresh eyes into the game. Maybe we have no more docs or the kill went through somehow. Either way I think it's worth backtracking him and iamps posts (-2 nightlife means very desperate kill) especially. I don't know if you've ever played with HF but him being lax is the one reason I think he's town. I don't understand if your point on the nightkills is tied to HF? Or is it just a rant | ||
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I've joined TL Mafia in 2015. I've played a number of games since, exactly 1 more than you actually going by the list kita posted in this thread. I had great moments, I had great rage quits, and I met some great people, most of which are excellent mafia players. I even made friends with a few of them. TL Mafia is a part of my life now. During all those games, your legend was always there. The best mafia player. The one there at the beginning. The teacher. The god. You're supposed to be great at solving games when you're town. You're supposed to be unbeatable for you're mafia. And in this game, I'm seeing neither, and I'm kinda disappointed. Please show me I'm wrong. | ||
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On March 07 2019 12:40 Grackaroni wrote: Honestly I've been mostly going just off Palmar/Marv's take on Sentinel for my read so far but I'm wading into his filter now and it's really not pretty. Read here: His read on TT is In line with thread sentiment as he said in the post. Later in his big reads post he drops a scum read on TT based off the same early game posts that he already read when he called TT town the first time. (note the timestamps.) + Show Spoiler + On March 04 2019 03:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 7) Tictock I'll be happy voting for him if only to get him to stop putting all his reads in spoilers Here are some of his noteworthy takes I agree with this for the same reason. More on this in my Meapak DD in the next post What's interesting here is that the foundation of all of this is LS's first three posts. I don't know which three posts qualify but up to the "me and Damdred aren't masons" LS has posted nothing of substance, town or not. Damdy is town because he agrees with LS. He's masons with LS and LS is town so they can't be scum together. Oops LS isn't a mason but LS is town and Damdy is still town because he said LS is town. His justification is So all of his town reads by association come from a belief that LS is honest. And that belief is predicated on the fact that LS was joking around. I think this is colored by TT's dislike of HF I don't like this post because he started with a gutread on her and acted off that information throughout the game, leading to the conclusion: rsoultin is town. It cheapens the value of all the evidence he posts afterward to support the fact rsoultin is town. Leaning red man did TT really post nothing between these 2 posts ??? this is looking mych better | ||
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On March 07 2019 12:50 LightningStrike wrote: I am around was playing some scbw with my friend after playing pokemon if anyone wants to talk. Also I saw your answer rels and fair play. I got some more questions for you and it same ones I gave tina: lWhat you think of EoD in terms of like spread of the mafia votes on the following scenarios: If BH is Town? If BH is Scum? given BH begged to be lynched, there is anything worthwhile to analyze in the vote. If he's scum, his team has known for a long time he's a likely D1 lynch and has planned accordingly. If he's town, well, same thing. THe only thing is that scum probably didn't vote en masse for the same guy, but that's not specific to this vote, more of a general rule | ||
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On March 07 2019 12:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: What os the post in question and where does sentinel clearly do that? I cant see it. just open the spoiler in Grack's post | ||
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On March 04 2019 03:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: EBWOP: I put thoughts on Ace before he returned to the thread. Obviously now I'm going to have to reevaluate him. then you didn't? Like, ever | ||
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On March 03 2019 08:42 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: This is the 6th post Ace has made in the thread Is this a really oblique way of saying "you guys should nominate me for mayor"? On March 04 2019 03:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 32) Ace The only thing of substance he's done in the thread so far is propose to nominate a lurker for mayor before disappearing from the thread. But it also does carry the cost of another NK. The lurker doesn't even have to show their hand since there's a lot of plausible deniability between "I haven't been keeping up with the thread" and "In the 30 minutes I've been here I think [suspicious townie] is scum". This gives me red vibes but Ace hasn't been here long enough for me to say for certain. On March 04 2019 03:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: EBWOP: I put thoughts on Ace before he returned to the thread. Obviously now I'm going to have to reevaluate him. These are weirdly cautious, like you're afraid of talking about Ace. If you're town, why? I can imagine why if you're scum (afraid to talk about your partner, or afraid to get Ace's attention) | ||
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On March 07 2019 13:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Someday. Probably Friday when I stop getting barraged by homework and exams. I still have to do a proper Acro read as well. looking forward to it! | ||
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On March 07 2019 23:07 LightningStrike wrote: Cool reasoning for using the power on Tina? Not much, some combination of: I like her outside the game, I townread her in game, she was scumreading me and she was seemingly not well in the thread at some point. | ||
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On March 07 2019 23:13 LightningStrike wrote: Noted. How you feel about her yolo voting you now? Betrayed. She's even voting me? | ||
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On March 07 2019 23:24 rsoultin wrote: @Rels only sorry if you're town ^^ and regardless you should be happy because some people seem to think it clears you Don't talk to me | ||
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On March 08 2019 00:35 Ace wrote: 1 shot Mason that gets to pick a partner or is it Mason where mod confirms alignment of who you pick? neither. Not 1 shot and no mod confirm | ||
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On March 08 2019 02:02 Acrofales wrote: Can you add new people to your QT? Or do you get a new QT with the new person? They're added to the same QT | ||
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On March 08 2019 02:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why did you hesitate. I dont care what you thought about rsoultin. What do you not undersatnd? I thought it would be cool to have a nice private QT with you or rsoul for the same 2 reasons (I like you outside the game, I townread you), then the other 2 reasons is what pushed rsoul in front of you. | ||
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On March 08 2019 02:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont understand why you picked her over me. And i still dont because your post doesnt say anything regarding that. rsoul scumreading me => talking to me in private will stop her tunnel rsoul not feeling well => having a private place to talk would be nice for her | ||
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On March 08 2019 02:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: rsoul scumreading me => talking to me in private will stop her tunnel what kind of reasoning is this? It's mine On March 08 2019 02:03 Rels wrote: why do you think you and rsoultin will solvethe game over you and me? I don't, and I was planning to invite you next. Maybe still am but IDK if there is a purpose now that my role is public | ||
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On March 08 2019 02:29 LightningStrike wrote: Rels you can invite me if you feel like you can make use of it. <3 | ||
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On March 08 2019 02:30 Acrofales wrote: I understand you three have a little thing going on, but mind explaining to the scrubs on the sideline why Rels should have picked you? Is it that you have an ego the size of Holyflare's? Or is there a reason he should always mason you? I talk a lot with rsoul and rayn outside the agme, even met them a few times | ||
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On March 08 2019 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: I rephrase my question, knowing you, why did you invite any player in this game other then me first? my goal is (was ?) to have a rsoul / rayn / me QT, and I chose rsoul first because of the reasons above. Sorry if you feel left alone lol | ||
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On March 08 2019 02:35 Jockmcplop wrote: I've just had a quick look through his filter and I think meta information might be useful. Is he always this nice? Most other people in here have got aggressive once or twice. I'm not seeing alot of specifically scummy posts or mistakes really, just a feeling that his posts aren't coming from where we're supposed to think they are. I don't know if he's a lynch candidate (yet), but you seem pretty sure after the QT thing.. I can be nice or aggressive as both alignments, just read my past scum games to see what I'm capable of On March 08 2019 02:35 Jockmcplop wrote: This post in particular seems like an odd idea. I can't figure out the real motivation behind it. Rels if you're going to lynch someone as active as hf, why delay until later so they can cause some chaos? But I don't want to lynch him, otherwise I would push him. But I don't want him to mock me forever if I'm wrong | ||
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On March 09 2019 09:02 Dandel Ion wrote: rsoultin, the Vanilla Townie has been killed. Damdred, the Vanilla Townie has been killed. BloodyC0bbler, the Mafia Roleblocker has been killed. WaveofShadow, the Vanilla Townie has been killed. raynpelikoneet, the Vanilla Townie has been killed. Yeah for the scum death! But there goes my town circle And lol @ 3 townies hard townreading HF + 1 scum hard pushing HF dying. HF is town and scum are trying to ML him again | ||
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On March 09 2019 09:13 Tumblewood wrote: oh whoops, i meant to post my celebration of killing town in my scum QT, not here + Show Spoiler + yes i killed BC WP Just so that is clear: if you are a vig that shot BC, you counterclaim NOW. Any counterclaim later than today will be met with an immediate lynch. | ||
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On March 09 2019 11:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Wake up Rels it's time for the Ace DD Knowing now BC was scum, it's important to point out Ace was the second one to have a problem with this post, after iamperfection. But iamp was mad about BC's reads on him and Onegu. Ace's main point is that BC is scum. His initial attack on Holyflare seems honest enough on the surface. He attacks him after the D1 lynch, then comes back two days later with more reasons including this extrapolation. If it's town Ace it's pretty insightful because I learned something new. It could be scum Ace in which case he's got the benefit of hindsight (and knowing exactly whether or not a vig shot those players). The other thing I notice here is that if I were vig and I didn't know BH was town, I'd probably shoot BH at this point in time (as in, N1). It's a compelling case Ace makes but I'm not sure if it would've been enough to make me shoot Holyflare Night 1. I had the opposite take on that BH post. Suppose for a minute Ace is scum. I don't think the bolded is enough of an out in case he gets Holyflare lynched and has to justify his actions somehow. At this point I'm certain they're not scum together, but just off of the Ace-HF dynamic alone there doesn't seem to be anything that would disqualify scum Ace coming into the thread to tunnel town HF. It's entirely dependent either on how you view Holyflare (him scum -> Ace town) or potentially by taking into account Ace's other posts. Prescient I'm actually curious about this as someone who was totally lost during those few days. And the quoted post actually acknowledges it but I don't think it's possible to get an answer that isn't clouded by hindsight. Why exactly was BH more probable to flip town? Consistency See above It's a good case. I can imagine a scum Ace making the case but I don't see any prevailing evidence over town Ace making it. But really the thing that pushes Ace into a green lean for me is that first post where he called out BC. So to answer your question Rels, I don't see anything wrong with Ace, or any reason I would intentionally avoid him. WP From what I remember I disagree with him attacking BC making him town. The scumread went nowhere and changed into a townread later, during D2 maybe ? He's the first person I want to filter tonight so I'll check the timing | ||
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On March 09 2019 11:24 LightningStrike wrote: EoD1 votes with conrfirmed flips and claims so ya BC wasted his vote on a throwaway on iamp and town was scattered all over the place on the two lynch wagons Day 1. Ace,Pandain,MZ, Chezinu, and Onegu wasted their votes Day 1. might have a scum within those throw away votes since town was so scattered it's a safe play to do that. the D1 lynch vote is useless since it was TvT. The mayor vote might be mor einteresting, I owuld imagine scum would very much like HF mayor lynching Palmar and being a target when Palmar flips town. | ||
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On March 09 2019 11:52 Ace wrote: I'm thinking a cop has investigated HF by now and hasn't gotten a scum result so feels no need to claim. What kind of a reasonning is this? We had 2 cop roles flipped already. Is this the only reason you're not pushing HF anymore? | ||
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On March 09 2019 11:55 Mocsta wrote: The other problem i have is If town has delayed role Lurker vig Delayed vig Backup cop Scum needs compensation Im concerned about rels role Who did he mason n2? At first i assumed he was a JOAT hence why i immediately wrote off tumbelweed But now im thinking rels is a scum delay role so you think I have a role where I can invite someone to a private QT, then they die one day later ? 2 things: 1 - that's effectively giving scum an additional KP, seems very OP 2 - most importantly, it is supposed to be a normal game. We have some delayed vig and lurker vig, but mason/vig would be very outside of normal And I masoned rayn N2 | ||
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On March 09 2019 12:00 Ace wrote: I asked Rels about his role function yesterday. I didn't get the idea that it was mod confirmed Town Mason. I remember the point about rsoul outting his role (usually is a scummy thing) but I also don't recall her saying she thought Rels was scum. If he's scum Mason I think he's easily outed next night cycle. she definitely outted me because she thought I was scum, then reconsidered when she saw I was upset at her for doing it. I was a hard null in her last listpost | ||
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On March 09 2019 14:19 Pandain wrote: Great job vig but you missed someone important too. ##Shoot Holyflare LOL we'll see if it's as effective as VIvax' nuke p: | ||
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The thing that shows he's scum is how he treated HF all game. Everything reeks of a mafia plan getting HF elected, then getting him lynched. We can follow it all thorough the day: First part during EOD1, voting him while not even knowing who he would lynch: On March 05 2019 05:01 Ace wrote: @holyflare: just voted you for Mayor. I haven't fully caught up but I've been skim reading. Assuming you win the election your plan is what again? Just restate for clarity so I'm not confused or in case I missed any new developments. Second part during N1, he acts surprised that HF has lynched Palmar and begins pushing him: On March 05 2019 10:21 Ace wrote: Well that was terrible. @Trfel: Really wish you claimed :'(. GG tho dude/dudette. There are no mafia doctors so vigis can shoot Holyflare at will. If he somehow does not die tonight he is an auto-lynch tomorrow. Earlier in the thread when I was talking to HF and Wiggles, I was alluding to the fact that Hf or Palmar have to stick to their plan on the lynch (Sentinel). It would take a very convincing reason to lynch someone else. For all his talk, Palmar never came across as a strong scum read. HF lynching him instead of Sentinel or even BH means he has to die. He did not stick to his guns and did not have good reason to lynch Palmar. side note:Would have been funny (and rage inducing) if Trfel flipped Cop and Palmar flipped back up Cop. Anyway, we kill HF asap. No fucking around. On March 05 2019 10:28 Ace wrote: Him wanting to lynch Palmar =/= good reason to switch. Third, he AFKs the start of D2. His first post when he comes back D2 is a big post on HF. Note that it's a time where HF is in the lead 9 - 4 over BH, but talks about alternative targets start being discussed for real => see the pages before page 239, BH being ofc the main other lynch. I don't know if it's really this or just a coincidence, but it sures comes at a convenient time so that HF keeps being the lynch. On March 07 2019 12:06 Ace wrote: Holyflare is Scum https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27283802 <---bullshit filter dive in fact, there are just too many posts that show he isn't scum hunting. It's either a lax attempt to show what someone else did wrong, asking "what should we do now?" type questions, or just filler. Outside of this, he killed Palmar. The entire reason behind my Day 1 post was to tie any mayor candidate to their lynch choice. It's not just that he didn't lynch Sentinel - if he had justifiable reasons then so be it. But he lynched Palmar and his reasoning rests on because he thought he was scum. Seriously. This guy should be the obvious lynch. How many people really thought Palmar was scum? He just did it because he could.And even if you somehow don't believe he's Scum he is clearly a net negative for the Town. He literally has done nothing - and this is coming from a guy who's been afk, caught up on only 30 pages or so and sees the nonsense plain as day. The nightkills - 3 dead. All Town. I refuse, literally refuse to think a vigilante shot any of them over Holyfield. Like it seems unfathomable that the targets would end up at Marv, Iamp, or Koshi (lol wut?). Especially with one being Vet and dying (maybe Rb + shot). If there's a third party out there, I think it goes without saying you should start shooting scum or clashing flips from now on Lastly, I saw something about marv playing cop wrong. I actually think he made himself "obvious town" or whatever you want to call it and should have drawn night protection. Especially since he was a replacement with fresh eyes into the game. Maybe we have no more docs or the kill went through somehow. Either way I think it's worth backtracking him and iamps posts (-2 nightlife means very desperate kill) especially. Then he goes on for all day, mainly talking about lynching HF. Note that he's now OK with BC, pushing HF together and referencing him in his posts. I'll elaborate about that in another part of the post - I don't think BC/Ace relationship necessarily show that they're partners, but it sure as hell don't prove they're cannot be partners. Finally, today. Mafia probably shot rayn, rsoul and WOS. Let's say they definitely shot at least 2 out of 3 to account for weird stuff like SK or whatever. They shot people that hard townread HF. At this point, Ace's narrative change - in his last big post during N3, Ace says that HF "definitely needs to be lynched whatever his alignment is". On March 09 2019 04:45 Ace wrote: Anyone who is saying they think Holyflare is scum but won't lynch him because it's going to be too difficult and should be saved for LYLO is pretty much not worth keeping around. Cops and vigis should get their utmost attention. For whatever reasons that Holyflare will be alive Day 3, this support block needs to be eradicated. At this point I literally do not care that HF can possibly flip Town - he is detrimental to our win condition. Of course I find him funny so I would like to keep him around but I also want to win. I think their plan was to continue pushing HF during D3 with BC. BUT BC DIES. So there goes that plan. Ace stops pushing for HF after that, and his reasonning is weird: On March 09 2019 09:03 Ace wrote: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo BC On March 09 2019 09:08 Ace wrote: Some of his reasons were good. He just happened to be your scum buddy :'( On March 09 2019 09:28 Ace wrote: Wow. Ah well. All that fun trying to lynch HF is now down the drain. On March 09 2019 11:52 Ace wrote: I'm thinking a cop has investigated HF by now and hasn't gotten a scum result so feels no need to claim. this last post makes no sense for 2 reasons. First, until just now HF has been a man that was probably gonna be vigd or lynched. Cops probably wouldn't bother with HF until now. Second, we already have a cop and a backup cop flipped, and 2 vigs. I don't know if it's reasonnable to suppose we have a lot more investigative role. The answer is that Ace stopped pushing HF because his helping buddy BC died, and because almost nobody else wants HF dead now. But he had to invent a reason to stop that push, and he crafted this one. Problem is that, it makes no sense 'cause it's fake. A final point. Sent bought up the point that Ace / BC relationship make them unlikely partners. I disagree, I don't think it proves they're partners either, but nothing proves they aren't. It's true Ace attacked BC with during EOD1: On March 05 2019 08:49 Ace wrote: This post reeks. Why would you pop up near EOD to post this? You even segregated players and faked outrage. Heavy FoS here. That turns into a kinda townread during D2: On March 07 2019 12:57 Ace wrote: Wiggles, not sure of the timing of the vote nor do I really disagree with this post. But I just checked the voting thread quickly and see BC has a vote on HF. Unless he finds reason to move, do you think BC + HF is a possible scum team? I also called BC scummy for the post near last EOD but outside of this do you sense scum motive from him? On March 07 2019 13:16 Ace wrote: Yea :/. Was having this exchange with BC because I definitely did not see HF doing what he did. I actually thought Palmar had way too much sway for that move not to be met with instagib and also he didn't appear as scum to enough people for it to even be approachable. BC took my HF vote as a Palmar supported kill because he obviously believed the threat and was correct in the end. And a real townread during N2: On March 09 2019 00:18 Ace wrote: We are not lynching BC @Mocsta: you are a weird player. So all over the place 😏 On March 09 2019 04:45 Ace wrote: I've already said 2 of these people are scum. This is the BH wagon. Now we obviously know some townies are lazy or were duped into thinking this was even a good idea. I doubt anyone seriously reading this game would think BH was ever a real suspect. Myself and others echoed this during Day 2. On Day 1 I prodded BH to stay in the game not only because I have good memories of him in past games and iirc modding, but I know scum would just pile on the easy mislynch and misguided townies would follow. I would expect BC to pick up on this because he's a very good player and of course he did. Doesn't mean he isn't scum but someone caring about the nature of the lynch is probably Town. Of course I've currently got a Town read on Vivax too. Fuck me if either of them are Scum 🤦🏼♂️. So no, I don't think their interactions are alignment indicative by themselves, and I think them trying to push a HF lynch / vig during the whole N1 / D2 / N2 makes a lot of sense. | ||
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On March 09 2019 15:01 kitaman27 wrote: Announcement Holyflare the Vanilla Townie has been killed. LOOOL IT WAS REAL | ||
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on the contrary, it's pretty important 'cause I don't believe you believed HF was town because you thought a third cop checked them | ||
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On March 09 2019 15:34 Ace wrote: It's pretty obvious I reversed my read on HF with BC flip. And we never pushed a case on HF together. Although I thought BC was Town we weren't tag teaming HF. Nice narrative tho 😁 happy you like it just for the record, I don't think you 2 pushing HF makes you partners, what I think is your play thus far has followed a clearcut plan, indicative of scum talk to me about who you think is scum now? Gonna filter Meapeak next, I remember hating something about him during EON2 | ||
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On March 04 2019 09:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Not as strongly as I was earlier, I just finished reading everyone's filter which took me a solid 6ish hours so I'm going to take a quick break and clear my head. In the mean time y'all can feel free to check out my notes I created. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JaeEcpko74-Vdm8iN3r1TWsKBW8HITOXUhutGH3bSY8/edit?usp=sharing How you interpret the information there is up to you but I'm just giving out the raw data. Later tonight I'll compile some thoughts based off of that but I'm kinda burnt out now The one thing I know for sure is that I need someone to vigi the shit out of Blazinghand and possibly Pandain as well. has this be useful? Did you help you make reads? If yes, how? | ||
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On March 09 2019 15:45 Jockmcplop wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 08 2019 18:54 Jockmcplop wrote: The Case For Ace Being scum Or dumb Its incredibly easy for anyone to see that ace is scum. He only has a 4 page filter and most of it is literally useless, apart from one obvious wagon that he can sink all of his reasonable looking posts into. 1: 1 word answers and anti discussion posting The following is a list of just a few the times Ace simply quotes something questionable and puts a single word there or something obviously designed to avoid people coming back to him and asking questions about it. Its effective, because no=one ever does that and he gets away with artificially inflating his post count for basically doing nothing. discussion killer here. Asks the question but isn't there to answer it. No detail just an accusation. Doesn't bring it up again. Again there's nothing useful here just poking holes in posts. Nothing post 3 nothing posts in one. 1: no scumhunting Ace has done no scumhunting. You can't call jumping on the obvious hf wagon and pushing that one kill scumhunting, it isn't, its hiding while posting. In sea of thousands of 'lynch hf' posts its hard to even notice ace's posts. Can anyone remember any of them specifically? Its a camouflage. Over the course of the entire game, he has accused 3 people of being scum. HF: All of his posts that contain any detail at all are about hf. Most of them add nothing new to the discussion and just hang there like little grapes in a big ol basket of fruit. Myself: He says I'm an obvious vigi shoot (I was voting to lynch him at the time). That's all BC: Calls him scumcobbler at one point and posts a single sentence after a post he didn't like. Its fair to say that there's no actual content here, but importantly the hf stuff gives the illusion of content, but its all just nothing. 3: Staying silent instead of defending himself Ace ha been accused of being scum by multiple people on multiple occasions, and the only one time he has remotely defended himself was to say that he doesn't use meta in his play. Otherwise he's perfectly happy to stay silent. If he's town why doesn't he want people to know he's town? Why is he acting so weird and only putting out the most basic timewasting posts? Because he's in the mafia. EBWOP the small text is meant to say 'or I'm dumb'. No disrespect intended ace. Anyway this all still stands imo. ##vote ace fighting the right battle TBH I think point 3 of your case is pretty bad, on the contrary scum tends to defend themselves too much. Point 1 is a series of posts that are not AI by themselves except that "lynch Palmar =/= good reason to swithc" which I agree was pretty bad. Point 2 is basically my case and tha'ts what makes Ace scum | ||
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On March 09 2019 15:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Why? They have to shoot in thread I assume. Doesn’t seem that op to me 'cause they can autowin anytime they reach LYLO with it | ||
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On March 09 2019 15:47 Ace wrote: I have Jock + Wiggles as my top 2 suspects. As for your idea of a plan - of course there was. I posted what I was doing on Day 1 😁. Should also check my post a few hours before EoD 2. Once today came with no guilty investigation on HF I was thinking he's probably innocent. BCs flip just made it a much stronger stance. I was wrong on their alignments Day 2 and I thought it was clear I wasn't going after HF at all anymore. I even said I may have been tunneling him and looking for confirmation bias in his posts. Their filters are next after Meapak. Can you quote the post you're referrencing with "I posted what I was doing on D1" ? | ||
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thanks, I thought you were talking about this but it was in D2: On March 07 2019 12:06 Ace wrote: Outside of this, he killed Palmar. The entire reason behind my Day 1 post was to tie any mayor candidate to their lynch choice. It's not just that he didn't lynch Sentinel - if he had justifiable reasons then so be it. But he lynched Palmar and his reasoning rests on because he thought he was scum. Since HF has said for a long time he'll lynch Palmar, I don't believe you really thought that, I think it was a fake justification to have an easy way of playing and get HF lynched. | ||
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Like this post represents everything I'm talking about: On March 08 2019 08:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm voting for scum. I have repeatedly given my reasons for not wanting to lynch HF and I have no idea which way to read you, people martyr both as town and scum and your play since then has been 50/50. If the jubjubs are gonna lynch between you and HF I honestly don't care which of you goes. My vote however is gonna be on the people I'm very confident are scum. ???? Then he got super defensive when people attacked him for it. | ||
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On March 09 2019 16:43 Ace wrote: Pretty much the same thing reiterated. I think you're misunderstanding what I was saying. I really wasn't concerned with him repeatedly stating he wanted to lynch Palmar. It was the why. I didn't believe he had any actual reason. But again, the beginning of this day shows I reversed my read on him. As for the cop thing I don't know what you meant by 3rd cop. We have already 2 cops being flipped, so we would need to have a 3rd cop for your "I think HF is town because if he was scum a cop would have claimed a red check on him" to work | ||
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On March 09 2019 16:51 Ace wrote: Oh you're counting the backup cop. I wasn't. I don't think those are the only two investigation roles in the game. by themselves sure, but with all the vigs it's unlikely we have another full cop | ||
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On March 09 2019 21:55 Onegu wrote: Rels fucking help me. Like this yes 100% And he shot him after this. The fucking cherry on top is the Ace claim with pandain in it. What Ace claim? Role speculation aside, scum don't want to be under scrutiny. I don't think scum shoots HF when he's being finally being townread by everyone. Yesterday was a perfect day for him to shoot if he really was a dayvig scum. | ||
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On March 10 2019 03:46 sicklucker wrote: Real talk chez might be a better lynch tonight. While host could have given a 3 town list its not likely. The other 2 are town alot of the time and we can have are role investigative role check pain if we have one. Ace is scum but chez is near poe scum ans unreadable. Acro claimed lurker vig, he didn't give more details but if he's telling the truth, it's likely his targets were chosen by some alignment agnostic rule, like "the 3 players that have the less posts" or something like that. | ||
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On March 10 2019 06:04 Acrofales wrote: Yeah, sure. I had a half-baked plan of making ppl think I had more bullets and got weird lists, to make scum RB and shoot me, but messed it up already and their RB is dead. I had 1 bullet and could shoot anyone who didn't vote it had less then 5 posts during the day. I whined to the hosts that I couldn't use it n1 as nobody met the requirements, but n2 it was more useful. Judging by the last post I should have shot the brown. I haven't gotten to why yet, tho :p I feel smart | ||
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On March 10 2019 08:15 Tictock wrote: Why is there a HF death link but not a Day 3 link? I think I have about a 25 hours before next deadline ya? Good shit on the Bloody shot. Also more confirmation for me that my D1 reads were pretty good. Am going to make some time tonight to be around. I think my RL situation is ok for a little while. I'm happy to hear that mate | ||
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On March 10 2019 10:51 Chezinu wrote: Would be so funny if wiggle and vivax had bombs on thems. On March 10 2019 10:52 Chezinu wrote: I don't think vivax is mafia anymore.. I would switch the bomb off of him. On March 10 2019 10:54 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm also a mad hatter yolo claim fight me LOL | ||
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On March 10 2019 11:32 Chezinu wrote: Getting lynched is lame. Everyone said they were going to shoot me... sigh... How am I supposed to use my abilities if I get lynched? well looks like you got played | ||
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On March 10 2019 11:52 LightningStrike wrote: It is a meta tell he mentioned in Star Wars The Mafia Awakened that the biggest for him is if he calls himself town. As far I remember I don't think he broke that. that's so stupid to unvote him for that it's the last game, if he's scum that's the perfect game to break this meta to not get lynched | ||
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On March 10 2019 12:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: FecalFeast claim is somehow worse than Chez. Why? On the contray, Chez was being pretty sneaky about it, and FF was very clearcut | ||
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On March 10 2019 13:06 LightningStrike wrote: Some people have a hard breaking their meta like me on the contrary, I think you're the perfect exemple of using your meta to get townread. You got DF and I to fight to the death in millionaire because you just faked being angry when you never did that as scum before | ||
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On March 10 2019 13:08 LightningStrike wrote: So you suggesting Chez decided to break his meta for the first time he started playing in probably the very last game on TL Mafia although there is a slight chance we can get more people to play another game or so? that's exactly what I'm suggesting. And BTW I'll check if this meta is even true, probably a waste of time 'cause I think it's pretty likely it is real but just to be sure | ||
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I guess I'll see how I feel about it tomorrow p: good night | ||
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On March 10 2019 17:51 Tictock wrote: @Rels, not that I am sure about my logic on Chez/FF but what besides the claim would lead you to think FF might be town? I'm pretty sure one of them has to be scum, and there could even be a chance they both are. not much, I think he's town purely because of the counterclaim. I don't see why scum fake cc there just to get Chez lynched, when Chez is a no-entity this game | ||
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On March 10 2019 18:40 Acrofales wrote: Point is that she didn't. She thought he was scum. not towards the end. | ||
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On March 11 2019 02:44 Acrofales wrote: Went through rayn and rsoul's filter about rels. I think rsoul was almost certainly killed for her reads. I just need to figure out which ones. Rels figures quite prominently among her "we need to kill" list until other people started convincing her that neighbourizer is a town role. I don't know if I still believe that with how weird this game has gotten. I'm really starting to feel a Rels lynch, guys. I will filter him next and assume neighbourizer is a null role. rayn thought I was town all day long, even before my role was outted, how do that work with that theory? | ||
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On March 11 2019 02:45 Acrofales wrote: Speak of the devil. Hey rels, why are you coasting by on your confirmed town status? Both rsoul and rayn are your friends, and both got shot when they were very unhappy that you didn't want to scumhunt with them... LOL. I'm the most influential player today, if Ace is lynched it will mainly be because of me | ||
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On March 11 2019 03:01 Acrofales wrote: Well, Rels's filter is really blehhh. His only real scum case is Ace... and he made it *after* Ace was catching a load of flak and was gonna be pushed today. Other than that I don't even know who he thinks is scum... he's just sorta following along. Then again, I thought the exact same about damdred and he flipped town. At least in this case I also have rsoul and rayn thinking there was something off about his play tho, and they do know him well, apparently. If you don't know who I think is scum you're lying about having read my filter. | ||
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On March 11 2019 03:02 Acrofales wrote: He wasn't happy with you at all. He doesn't mention you much, but he was frustrated that you didn't scumhunt with him. Point me to the town read plz. Before role outting: On March 03 2019 20:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well whatever. I am really gonna try to sleep now because after thursday morning i have slept no more than maybe 4 hours and i fell like i am dead. HF Acrofales Meapak Palmar sicklucker - i think he is too calm to be town, dunno hard to explain Then probably x number of lurkers or something because i am most likely wrong on something. Trfel doesn't look town anymore, FF still doesn't impress in anyway but i am terrible at reading him. I don't really have any problems with BC. Rels and Mocsta are people who tend to put effort as mafia because they hate to not help their team so i think their absence points towards town more, especially Rels' who genuinely doesn't know what to do on D1 as town. Umm what else, Exo_ seems more like stubborn idiot than mafia, Maybe tubesock is mafia because he acknowledged HF's comment on me as scumread yet +1'd it despite it being lies. DF looked okayish, a bit "lame" but given he's not been around much i'd give him more time. If Ace doesn't start playing properly on D2 lynch with fire. I understand he may not want to give away too much information as per his playbook on D1 but this becomes unacceptable D2. On March 06 2019 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Nvm it doesnt. But hes still mafia. Rels do you want to solve the game witm me, hf and rsoultin? I have unlimited amount of time on thursday. After role outting: On March 07 2019 22:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Come on HF Rels' role is not mafia ever. If I'm calling out scum's shots like you're suggesting, I never shoot rayn | ||
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On March 11 2019 03:09 Acrofales wrote: Interesting. Maybe quote your own filter where you scumread someone other than BH, and today Ace. sure On March 09 2019 16:22 Rels wrote: Meapak has made a lot of small attacks against a lot of players, I don't know if I like it, it's not strong but it feels a little bit opportunist On March 09 2019 16:33 Rels wrote: oh yeah I remember what I hated about MZ EOD2, I don't remember who bought it up but someone did earlier. When he came back, the lynch was always gonna be HF or BH, and he said he had a HF townread and a BH nullread; but he didn't want to commit to one of the wagon, repeating he "wanted to lynch scum". That screams someone knowing the vote is TvT and not wanting to be a part of it. Like this post represents everything I'm talking about: ???? Then he got super defensive when people attacked him for it. On March 10 2019 13:06 Rels wrote: I have no doubt Chez is scum after that move. He tried to sneakily suggests he's hatter and got slammed hard then if I really have to prove I'm not "coasting by" today, here is me defending two people that are generally being scumread On March 09 2019 16:55 Rels wrote: Jock is always town if he's really a newbie. If he's playing that well as a scum he's lying about this game being his first. Interacting with people, making cases, committing reads in the HF vs BH lynch ... the bad thing is that he's using a lot of easy / bad reasonning to scumread people, but as it's his first game it's totally normal. On March 10 2019 13:27 Rels wrote: just finished Wiggles filter and I think he's alright. He's been consistent with his activity and reads, he looks like he's having fun with his radio show (please continue it's pretty to read too ) but is not using it to hide behind RP to not play. Not the strongest read but I think he's town. If anyone thinks he's scum I would like to know why I think you read my filter with a "Rels is scum" mindset and that blinded you. | ||
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On March 11 2019 03:12 Grackaroni wrote: I don't know why Rayn thinks that. Mafia mason isn't uncommon and I've had that role before as mafia where you get to choose a new person to invite to QT each day. yeah TBH I agree, I don't think my role by itself is alignment indicative | ||
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On March 11 2019 03:17 Acrofales wrote: @Rels: you forget that we know you *have* to invite him to your QT, and you *have* to scumhunt with him actively. And rayn has many faults, but inactivity is not one of them. So if you don't actively bounce ideas around with him (and rsoul), I think he starts suspecting you. Or at least, a scum!Rels fears that. That's my hypothetical for why a scum!Rels shoots rayn. I have been trying to wrap my brain around why scum shoot rayn in general. He was making the thread an unhappy place for many people, and that seems like a good thing for scum, even if nobody was actually strongly scumreading him. rsoul and wos make sense: obvious townies making reads and being happy. but rayn was just angry and destructive (although it might just have been me who felt like that being on the ass end of his tunnel all game). He was also wrong on his tunnel. Why shoot him at all? My theory behind the night kills is that scums shot people that were hard townreading HF | ||
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On March 11 2019 03:30 LightningStrike wrote: Who do I lynch today? Gogo Ace! | ||
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On March 11 2019 03:31 Acrofales wrote: I read that on MZ, but I guess I read it differently, as calling one thing scummy doesn't seem to go anywhere. Where should it go? I've read his filter and thought it was scummy for the 2 reasons I've said. But Ace is the person I want to lynch first, and Ace is getting lynched. On March 11 2019 03:31 Acrofales wrote: Chezinu, well, is being chezinu. The fact that you think you're scumming him for being chezinu is well, bleh. That's not true. I usually never know how to read people that RP like Slam and Chez, and I kinda just hope their alignments become known by other means like them being roles, or being vigd / checked, etc. But here, Chez tries to sneakily say he's hatter without really saying it. It's an obvious red flag for me, and not at all similar to the other RP he's done On March 11 2019 03:31 Acrofales wrote: Townreading people doesn't count. Especially innocent children like jock. The fact that you couldn't townread BH for the same reasons is troubling tho. ??? What same reasons ? 1 - my read on Jock mainly comes from the fact that it's his first game, that doesn't apply to BH 2 - my scumread on BH came from his martyring D1, that doesn't apply to Jock ??? | ||
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On March 11 2019 03:37 Acrofales wrote: well, this game's train is rife with afk people and lurching towards killing ace, and I don't have a good reason to not call him scum. nothing about him screams scum at all. but nothing about him screams townie either. he's just blegh. Yeah too many lurkers, I agree. But the lurkers are not voting Ace, they're not voting at all: Not voting (10): Onegu, LightningStrike, ExO_, [UoN]Sentinel, Tubesock, Pandain, darthfoley, Mocsta, Meapak_Ziphh, Ace Not all of this list are lurkers, but most lurkers are on this list. | ||
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On March 11 2019 03:40 Acrofales wrote: Rels, can you post your transcripts with rsoul? I don't know, I'll ask kita. If not I can provide paraphrasing. rsoul already did it at some point too | ||
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On March 11 2019 03:40 Acrofales wrote: BH had a very obvious town post (his post when he thought he was being lynched). He was as close to an innocent child as you can get. Yet you persisted in scumreading him all through D2 (you weren't the only one tho). 100% disagree. I know I would make that kind of post in his place 100% of the time, strategically speaking it's a no-risk high-reward as scum - if you somehow live it gains you towncred. And BH is the kind of player to do it - I talked about that D2 | ||
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On March 11 2019 03:44 LightningStrike wrote: I voting but I also not really a lurker either filter count wise. yeah like I've said not all the list are lurkers | ||
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On March 11 2019 03:46 sicklucker wrote: I didnt even know you had a role... Why are you alive I don't know, tell me? | ||
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On March 11 2019 03:50 sicklucker wrote: I save you for lylo <3 I missed playing with you | ||
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So the case against TS isbasically inactivity and hyprocrisy? Town can also do those 2 things so I don't find that very strong | ||
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On March 11 2019 05:15 Pandain wrote: @rels what do you think about my point about ace wanting hf vigi'd. I think he would have been very happy if a vig shot was wasted on HF instead of hitting a lynchbait like Damdred or another scum like BC. Him calling for a vig doesn't change my points about him | ||
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On March 11 2019 05:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote: We have also take some time to analyse the recent motion put forward by Liquidia Town Council to execute a warrant for Ace's arrest and subsequent execution. Based on Ace's behaviour, we do not find him particularly likely to be scum. Ace's posts show that he is indeed analysing the game with the goal of solving it. This host feels that Ace is taking a lot of flak for the culture clash he induces by playing within the new Liquidia meta. Ace plays some stuff according to a different style but then is using this to inform his reads. A perfect example of this is BC, where BC plays according to what Ace considers good town play, and so becomes a town read. The problem with this is that most of the rest of the thread spurns this type of play and so it probably throws off Ace's reads and then that portion of the town thinks he's scum because it doesn't jive with their own notions of what constitutes town play. I was around for the sort of transitional period where the game here changed from the old 2010 style to the newer more conversational/emotional/meta heavy style. As such, I can see where both sides of the players are coming from, and can also see that it's causing scum reads because of clashes in expected play. I disagree Ace posts showing he's "indeed analysing the game with the goal of solving it". If you discard everything related to HF in his filter, there is almost nothing. And I've shown why I think the parts related to HF are scummy. For example, he has said today that his 2 current scumreads are Jock and Wiggles: On March 09 2019 15:47 Ace wrote: I have Jock + Wiggles as my top 2 suspects. As for your idea of a plan - of course there was. I posted what I was doing on Day 1 😁. Should also check my post a few hours before EoD 2. Once today came with no guilty investigation on HF I was thinking he's probably innocent. BCs flip just made it a much stronger stance. I was wrong on their alignments Day 2 and I thought it was clear I wasn't going after HF at all anymore. I even said I may have been tunneling him and looking for confirmation bias in his posts. But when we look for why he scumread them, there isn't much: On March 08 2019 07:47 Ace wrote: Jock is an obvious vigi shot. Good post though. Figuring out who's posting under an alias in the Scum QT is excellent detective work. On March 09 2019 00:26 Ace wrote: Lol @ Jock's post. Having a short filter, not throwing around a lot of accusations, and....asking a question but not answering it (umm...duh?) makes me scum. I really do not believe any vigi reading that post would let you live. Its just random shit thrown at a wall to look active 😁 On March 09 2019 17:01 Ace wrote: My reason for Wiggles was the little chat we had about BC. It was like he believed BC was scum and then disappeared. Difficult to tell because he could have legit been afk. So no, I don't feel like this kind of reads show that he's trying to solve the game. | ||
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On March 11 2019 05:23 Mr. Wiggles wrote: New listener Rels calls in with this compliment and question: We believe this is a mischaracterisation of the case. If we had to put it in bullet points, it would be the following:
thanks, that looks better. I'll read his filter and see if I agree | ||
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On March 11 2019 05:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote: HF seemed like much stronger lynch bait than someone like Damdred. Going into D2 HF was public enemy number one for a lot of people. N2, scum killed a couple of the people defending HF who had stronger town reads on them. For scum that could have been a setup to try to push the HF lynch again on D3. I don't think it would have been hard for them to push the WIFOM perspective to the people who started to call HF town because of the flips. Pandain came in with their shot before anyone did that though. If Pandain hadn't shot HF, this would have probably turned into another HF vs counter-lynch day. Given this, it sounded like Ace was off the lynch HF train into D3 (though based on the theoretical existence of a cop?), so I think that gives him some more town cred. I would have expected a scum Ace to continue the HF tunnel and argue the WIFOM thing. Scum Ace doesn't come in and say he thinks HF got checked town by a cop before going back to continue a HF tunnel. Overall, I think scum were trying to set up another lynch HF day and Pandain screwed it up. Ace had come off the lynch HF wagon before the shot, so that looks good for him. I agree with you about the intention of scums being trying to get HF vs the world going again in D3 if HF was not vigd. I disagree that it would have worked even without Pandain shotting HF, 'cause BC flipping made it too obvious; but I agree it was their plan. I disagree about Ace calling for a vig shot on HF makes him town. He vig shoots HF, great, a vig has shot one of the best town in the game! If not, proceed to push HF as happened. | ||
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On March 11 2019 05:48 Pandain wrote: If this is your argument, I get it. But I think Sentinel is just as guilty as this and has other scumslips. this is just a counter argument to "Ace calling a vig shot on HF makes Ace town", I don't think it makes Ace town or scum. Why I think Ace is scum is: On March 09 2019 15:27 Rels wrote: yeah I don't like Ace's filter. I'm happy he started playing for real though it will be an honor to lynch mafia god in the last TL game! The thing that shows he's scum is how he treated HF all game. Everything reeks of a mafia plan getting HF elected, then getting him lynched. We can follow it all thorough the day: First part during EOD1, voting him while not even knowing who he would lynch: Second part during N1, he acts surprised that HF has lynched Palmar and begins pushing him: Third, he AFKs the start of D2. His first post when he comes back D2 is a big post on HF. Note that it's a time where HF is in the lead 9 - 4 over BH, but talks about alternative targets start being discussed for real => see the pages before page 239, BH being ofc the main other lynch. I don't know if it's really this or just a coincidence, but it sures comes at a convenient time so that HF keeps being the lynch. Then he goes on for all day, mainly talking about lynching HF. Note that he's now OK with BC, pushing HF together and referencing him in his posts. I'll elaborate about that in another part of the post - I don't think BC/Ace relationship necessarily show that they're partners, but it sure as hell don't prove they're cannot be partners. Finally, today. Mafia probably shot rayn, rsoul and WOS. Let's say they definitely shot at least 2 out of 3 to account for weird stuff like SK or whatever. They shot people that hard townread HF. At this point, Ace's narrative change - in his last big post during N3, Ace says that HF "definitely needs to be lynched whatever his alignment is". I think their plan was to continue pushing HF during D3 with BC. BUT BC DIES. So there goes that plan. Ace stops pushing for HF after that, and his reasonning is weird: this last post makes no sense for 2 reasons. First, until just now HF has been a man that was probably gonna be vigd or lynched. Cops probably wouldn't bother with HF until now. Second, we already have a cop and a backup cop flipped, and 2 vigs. I don't know if it's reasonnable to suppose we have a lot more investigative role. The answer is that Ace stopped pushing HF because his helping buddy BC died, and because almost nobody else wants HF dead now. But he had to invent a reason to stop that push, and he crafted this one. Problem is that, it makes no sense 'cause it's fake. A final point. Sent bought up the point that Ace / BC relationship make them unlikely partners. I disagree, I don't think it proves they're partners either, but nothing proves they aren't. It's true Ace attacked BC with during EOD1: That turns into a kinda townread during D2: And a real townread during N2: So no, I don't think their interactions are alignment indicative by themselves, and I think them trying to push a HF lynch / vig during the whole N1 / D2 / N2 makes a lot of sense. | ||
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On March 11 2019 05:51 Ace wrote: Wow a guy goes afk for a day and there's a lynch train Rels, you're reading me way off. Iirc your first point of contention with me had to do with HF. I clearly admitted I read him wrong before he died. I also think you should be thinking about the motives behind those NKs. I had no serious heat on me from Rayn/Wos/Rsoul/ (the 3 non vigi shots). Even if they were HFs defenders as scum I would still need to convince people to lynch him next day. I did not. Once I saw the BC flip I instantly townread HF. Yeah that's actually my point if BC didn't flip you would have continued pushing HF, and the 3 best HF defenders would have been dead this time. On March 11 2019 05:51 Ace wrote: In fact I think if anyone looks bad for those nightkills, it's you. You had QT interaction with 2 of them did you not? Only one of them | ||
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I don't know if I agree with your assertion that he is voluntarily hiding his reads Wiggles, he has spent his D2 trying to get an Acro lynch. He doesn't have a lot of reads to be sure, but he didn't hide his main target | ||
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On March 11 2019 06:11 sicklucker wrote: nks suggested they wanted hf dead. but when the scummer flipped who was pushing him it was obvious yep | ||
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On March 11 2019 06:43 Tictock wrote: Also, I'm still like 80% sure that Wiggles and Meap are scum with those off wagon Votes. Especially considering I don't remember them having anything to say to weigh in on the main wagons. Which makes this... One of the biggest issues I have with Rels atm. Do you disagree with my read? That siad, Wiggles keeping his vote offwagon until deadline would definitely alter my view of him | ||
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On March 11 2019 07:12 Grackaroni wrote: Why is the timing scummy? That puts him at a disadvantage if people leave a vote on him and fuck off and he waits until the EoD to contest his lynch. that's what I do when I'm scum and don't want to defend myself all day, putting my effort when it matters the most | ||
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On March 11 2019 07:14 Tictock wrote: I've been calling Wiggles scum all game dude. I am super sure of it, and your weak ass town-read of him here doesn't sway me at all. now is not the best time, but I'll check why later | ||
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On March 11 2019 07:17 Ace wrote: Lol @ Rels. You're so cute 😘 Does anyone have any comments regarding going back and looking at Iamps suspects Day 1? I think there was major effort to kill him because he was on to more than 1 person. thanks I guess BTW I'm really happy that you're now playing for real, regardless of your alignment | ||
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If sentinel flips scum Ace is always town too so that's a good thing | ||
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On March 11 2019 07:39 Onegu wrote: Not moving my vote in the next 20 min. so only moving yuor vote at 59 ? | ||
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On March 11 2019 07:42 Tumblewood wrote: all i'm saying is we're up to at least 3, all we need is 4 more, and there are probably 4 people active who don't like slam I don't like Slam but I would lynch all the current wagons before him | ||
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On March 11 2019 07:48 sicklucker wrote: See my post in vote thread im phone posting cant copy pasta. Its like the best post i have made in thr entire game For reference: On March 11 2019 07:43 sicklucker wrote: This is why i want chez to die. Tumbletown vivax town ff town acro town grack not scummy. Slam who i used to think was town and big mafis bus driver. He once bussed me when i was are teams only hope when i was gone for the day | ||
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On March 11 2019 07:50 Onegu wrote: Link sent case plz. To lazy to find it. Pandain: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=334#6665 Ace: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=335#6693 Grack: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=335#6696 | ||
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On March 11 2019 07:51 Vivax wrote: It's not even about Sentinel, it's about how people like Grack and TT show a pinpoint burst of effort I haven't seen before in this game. yeah that's kinda what I feel. Sentinel looks like shit but I don't like the timing of this whole thing | ||
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On March 11 2019 07:55 Grackaroni wrote: Bullshit. I've been pushing Sentinel for a while now. It just finally looked like there might be some traction today. not you specifically, but the fact that it's gaining traction right now, when Ace comes back and makes a big post | ||
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On March 11 2019 08:10 Grackaroni wrote: What is mafia traitor? the one time I've played with one, it worked as followed: they win with mafia but don't know who the mafia team is and vice versa. | ||
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On March 11 2019 08:09 kitaman27 wrote: [UoN]Sentinel always struggled to fit in. Abandoned by his own brothers, he was left alone to fend for himself. His inability to form a connection with anyone left him feeling a lack of identity. But today that would change. He would read his role PM and finally learn who his true friends were. Sadly, that information was redacted. the flavor kinda says it too | ||
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On March 11 2019 08:13 Vivax wrote: Read flavour, Sentinel knew who mafia was. Mafia most likely knew there was a traitor but not who it was. I read it the opposite way => he wanted to know who his real friends were, but the information was not there | ||
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On March 11 2019 08:16 LightningStrike wrote: Ace is likely town based on Sent thing on Ace unless you guys think he was going for a bus? Ace if scum didn't know Sent was traitor. A traitor flip is nice but don't give any associative infos | ||
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On March 11 2019 08:20 Ace wrote: Indeed. If Mafia didn't know who traitor was, then a Sent flip tells you nothing about me via association. But, looking at the cases being made against Sent in isolation should tell you the probability of me being Scum here is low. I'll resume fighting you later | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + 69 Rels 03-08-2019 07:05 PM ET (US) EDIT DELETE I was town you dummy 68 rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-08-2019 05:05 PM ET (US) I hate that I can't link anything in here lol >< My reads are at the end of my filter if I'm deaded and you're not, and you're town and care about my opinion lol >< 67 rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-07-2019 03:22 PM ET (US) I mean, I thought you were mafia? Honestly still think you could be but your upset is making me question that >< And yes I do feel like a dick if I ruined your fun when you were just trying to be nice to me. For that I apologize. Wouldn't have outed your role ever if I was town or even null-reading you. 66 Rels 03-07-2019 03:10 PM ET (US) disappointed 65 Rels 03-07-2019 03:10 PM ET (US) I stil lthink it was super bad mannered from you to claim my role before consulting me. I'm kinda angry at you for that. Angry is not the right word but IDK what is the word I'm looking for 64 Rels 03-07-2019 03:09 PM ET (US) and I wanted to invite rayn, but I invited you 'cause I thought you needed it, and now rayn is angry (even though he shouldn't be, that ego lol), and you have betrayed me so nothing is going well 63 Rels 03-07-2019 03:07 PM ET (US) but IDK it was my role I wanted to create a secret town club and win the last game of TL like that. Would have been awesome 62 Rels 03-07-2019 03:06 PM ET (US) I realize I might be petty 61 rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-07-2019 02:30 PM ET (US) i didn't read it. you're fine. i'm still not entirely sure what would make you so upset? this doesn't appear to be a role that requires any kind of secrecy 60 Rels 03-07-2019 12:47 PM ET (US) sry about the slur 59 Deleted by author 03-07-2019 12:47 PM 58 Rels 03-07-2019 12:44 PM ET (US) rayn is right, should have invited him 57 rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-07-2019 09:54 AM ET (US) why do you care if i claim your "useless" role? edit: well, regardless, if you're town i apologize but it was necessary to explain my scumread on you. or at least i thought it was and i'm not going to analyze your reaction here from a town/mafia dichotomy out of respect that you might be town and genuinely upset if you are though i hope to see something to convince me cause yeah...you're just not showing your town self in your postsEdited 03-07-2019 11:12 AM 56 Rels 03-07-2019 09:53 AM ET (US) ofc. Not talking to you anymore 55 rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-07-2019 09:51 AM ET (US) are you? 54 Rels 03-07-2019 09:50 AM ET (US) fuck you. Don't talk to as if I'm town after claiming lmty role 53 Rels 03-07-2019 09:49 AM ET (US) ?? 52 rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-07-2019 09:27 AM ET (US) Blah my motivation is nill. My methods don't work for a game this size and I can't find energy after yesterday to slog through the game. So what's holding you back, then, assuming I'm wrong and you're actually town here? 51 Rels 03-07-2019 08:58 AM ET (US) Ok 50 rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-07-2019 04:05 AM ET (US) Yeah, so you should check the thread. I told everyone about the QT and the way you've handled things makes me think you're scum -shrugs- It really feels like you just expected me to townread you off this. I gave you a lot of time to start talking about literally anything unprompted and only your grack read sort of comes close. 49 Rels 03-06-2019 11:23 PM ET (US) don't think you ahve a read on sent, he's a good filter if you didn't read it already. Some fishy things => see my filter, should be at the end 'cause I don't think I'm gonna stay up much longer 48 Rels 03-06-2019 11:22 PM ET (US) well fucking Grack got me when I was gonna sleep so I've done most of them Grack is weird. Pretty agreeable and flawless, that might be mean but I expected something more raw from him. BUT he has good points on sent which made me filter him. 47 Rels 03-06-2019 09:11 PM ET (US) yeah I have like 15 people I wanna filter. Don't think it's gonna happen tonight though. And I didn't see anything that was scummier than BH 46 Rels 03-06-2019 08:53 PM ET (US) lol p: 45 rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-06-2019 07:00 PM ET (US) Looking forward to your read vomit 44 rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-06-2019 02:34 PM ET (US) Blah I'm going to need to prioritize filters no way I'm getting through everything when I wanted to. 43 rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-06-2019 02:01 PM ET (US) oats just looks really town to me tbh. like super duper town lol >< i could elaborate but i'd just be like describing the definition of what it means to be 'town' 42 rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-06-2019 02:00 PM ET (US) ah yeah fair 41 Rels 03-06-2019 01:17 PM ET (US) lol cant post link. Post 1144 from TT feels real, and cheap if he's scum 40 Rels 03-06-2019 01:10 PM ET (US) I remember having a good reason thinking TT was town but I don't remember it 39 rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-06-2019 12:50 PM ET (US) Eh, TT is someone I wanted to townread for his early approach to the game and his comments about how rayn and I play, but I'm not sure what's going on with his disappearing scumreads. I find his response okay and in-line with what else I've seen but yeah that downgrades him to just a town lean. Reactions aren't exactly contradictory but they make me itch.Edited 03-06-2019 01:15 PM 38 rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-06-2019 12:49 PM ET (US) Just look in his filter around EoD when he's confronting Iam? (and you can definitely right cause I'm bad at reading BH lol ><) 37 Rels 03-06-2019 12:38 PM ET (US) shitting the thread with a stupid read is a good mafia motivation? I read BH filter yesterday and I remember thinking all this talk about policy lynch and proper lynch etc. played perfectly with a plan of creating chaos. Dunno if you have a particular post in mijnd? 36 rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-06-2019 12:25 PM ET (US) Well I'm glad you responded, but I'm not saying him voting for himself shows he's town. I'm saying that going after Iam for claiming it was more than a policy lynch I don't see a mafia motivation for. 35 Rels 03-06-2019 12:00 PM ET (US) I disagree pretty strongly on BH. Given his play D1, if he's mafia his buddies has prepared his lynch and are playing accordingly. Him shitting up the thread and not voting himself is a nice strategy, that doesn't show he's town at all 34 rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-06-2019 10:03 AM ET (US) Yeah, I'm okay with Tube. Light townlean. Still have reservations with his lack of a read on Palmar but nothing major. 33 rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-06-2019 09:58 AM ET (US) BH...yeah the original reason he seemed a bit townish to me was his thing with Iamp. Not sure what the mafia motivation for it could be when he was likely to be lynched. I hate his little narrative things but I frequently want to lynch him when he's town because he sets off my BS meter and he's actually doing less of that than he usually does, overdramatized lynch me aside. Also yeah no vote to save himself. Townlean. 32 Rels 03-06-2019 09:27 AM ET (US) So that'll have to wait a little :p 31 Rels 03-06-2019 09:26 AM ET (US) I'm at work now, planning on playing at lunch break if nothing else explodes at work 30 rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-06-2019 09:24 AM ET (US) Apart from being irritated at LS for calling my one genuinely emotional post at rayn 'forced', there're no red flags in his filter after he came back from his yelling fit to make me reconsider the townread on him. Strong town. 29 rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-06-2019 09:16 AM ET (US) Yeah I'm against fear kills, especially on good town players who can win us the game and might actually be kept alive because of all of the scrutiny and chaos in thread. I think the fact this opinion is being voiced so little is also a wifomy factor in favor of his being town tbh. Talk to me about someone I haven't discussed yet. Tube's posting is okayish I can see where his head's at and that he might be poking into things. The part I'm really unclear on is where he stood with Palmar. I asked about conversion but I suspect he was just townreading Acro and didn't have much of an opinion on Conv when he said he was okay with lynching him. Null until he clarifies Palmar. 28 Rels 03-06-2019 09:00 AM ET (US) Like, I have this cycle of: - he's not shitting up the thread he's engaging people and making good posts! - but if he's scum and we let him live he's gonna mock us forever 27 Rels 03-06-2019 08:58 AM ET (US) I'm waffling on hf hard. I don't want to let him win and look stupid 26 rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-06-2019 08:54 AM ET (US) You should start discussing your reads now too since you're actually here xP we can pretend it's a real mason thread and not me trying to get a read on mr. eager >> 25 rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-06-2019 08:53 AM ET (US) Eh he's a lean because I usually can see something smart and shiny in town Onegu's posting. Granted it's been years and was always a bit of a fine line which is why I'm not super sold on it. Yeah, I may be the biggest sucker of them all but HF just screams town to me. Even poking through his shit looking for anything with other people's scumreads and arguments in mind his thought process is so crystal clear, progression there, and adjusting with new info. I'm fine being wrong on him if it turns out that way. 24 Rels 03-06-2019 08:15 AM ET (US) I want Ace to be the legend I thought he was 23 Rels 03-06-2019 08:14 AM ET (US) I don't know how that changes from town Onegu though but I can never read the guy 22 rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-06-2019 07:49 AM ET (US) Fecalfeast - townread (med to strong) - seems super engaged, having fun, arriving at reads before or independently of others several of which gave me similar vibes, relaxed responses to suspicion on him. pretty confident this is a town FF 21 rsoultin 03-06-2019 07:34 AM ET (US) So I'm just gonna start using this for personal notes rather than spamming the thread or writing in a notebook. Any comments/counters are welcome. Onegu - scumlean - votes match up w/ reads fine and the damdred read shows a little bit of a glimmer of what i meant by onegu doing his own thing, but I'd expect more from him and at least some sort of even weak opinion on what's actually going on right now, of which there's nothing 20 Rels 03-05-2019 08:13 PM ET (US) good night ^^ 19 rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-05-2019 08:11 PM ET (US) Cool hi stella! And if that's the case that's good for my purple read heh >> 18 rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-05-2019 08:10 PM ET (US) Pft it's after 2. I only glanced at thread cause trouble sleeping and saw the pm notification lol >< gonna try to get some sleep. So like dude if you want to talk reads or whatever just leave an here for me and I'll take a look in morning ^^ 17 Rels 03-05-2019 08:10 PM ET (US) BTW Stella says hi she's shadowing me she even wanted to play at some point but too many people in this game lol 16 Rels 03-05-2019 08:09 PM ET (US) oh I see the post you're thinking about. Don't think he's saying he shot him 15 rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-05-2019 08:06 PM ET (US) I'm unclear if he did it was just scumreading him and I hate trying to filter on phone lol >< 14 Rels 03-05-2019 08:04 PM ET (US) ? did Vivax claim he shot marv? 13 rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-05-2019 08:03 PM ET (US) I'm the other hand it's a get out of jail free card for just discussing with another player in the game so...not so bad either ^^ 12 rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-05-2019 07:58 PM ET (US) Lol shh >> it started off butthurt and then it was just fun to express frustration at people not being able to read. And no it's not a great role since it doesn't confirm alignments. 11 Rels 03-05-2019 07:55 PM ET (US) not super useful TBH but maybe you can be butthurt here instead of in the thread p: 10 Rels 03-05-2019 07:54 PM ET (US) just mason. I can invite someone each night 9 rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-05-2019 07:54 PM ET (US) Lol figured given your hints. So what is this weirdo role? 8 Rels 03-05-2019 07:53 PM ET (US) I knew it, coming from a sideway flag girl p: 7 rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-05-2019 07:52 PM ET (US) Nope ^^ 6 GUESS 03-05-2019 07:49 PM ET (US) no? Come on at least 1 and I'll tell you p: 5 GUESS 03-05-2019 07:45 PM ET (US) guess? 4 rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-05-2019 07:44 PM ET (US) So this is a possibility not in the role listing which means I can't suss alignment easily pfft. How rude. Who this? I can guess but am deciding not to ^^ 3 rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-05-2019 07:40 PM ET (US) Lol >< i don't even have an idea of the roles in this game but yay qt? 2 DefinitelyLexNeverNotLex 03-05-2019 07:13 PM ET (US) hello it's definitely Lex. No bait | ||
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On March 11 2019 08:33 Onegu wrote: Rels I am expecting a mason invite now... we'll see | ||
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On March 11 2019 08:35 Tictock wrote: Boom! Ty for giving me the lynch I asked for town! Time for a bit of tinfoil before I read what I missed: This probably means Rel's role shit would be mafia related as it is the most likely way that Mafia would recruit a traitor. However I don't really think role related reads work very well and I kinda now heavily suspect Rels due to some other stuff (such as calling Chez v Ace as Scum v Scum, when I noted the EoD felt dead and possibly meant TvT). Actually it's probably dinner time for me and then will come back to this game tonight. Need to think as well because Sent being a traitor could mean he didn't know anything about the full mafia team, which makes my earlier conclusion of him flipping scum clearing Ace possibly moot. I thought Chez v Ace were SvS because I thought both Chez and Ace were scum, and because a lot of lurkers didn't vote | ||
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On March 11 2019 08:43 Vivax wrote: This seems plausible. If Rels picks a townie, it's a new qt. If Rels picks the traitor, he gets access to the mafia qt. He picked tina N1 cause idk, and apparently rayn N2 maybe because of this post. that only makes sense if you think rayn wasn't shot by scum | ||
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On March 11 2019 17:30 Acrofales wrote: @rels: thanks for posting the transcripts. I'm still not sure why you got so angry about rsoul posting your role. You didn't use the QT much before she blurted it out in the thread and this seems like a totally cool reason for telling the chat: What exactly made you so upset? You say betrayed, but I don't see how. Care to elaborate on why the QT being outed even affects at all how you can use it? Anyway, if this is somehow a scum tool for finding sentinel, rels' use seems weird. Did he think rsoultin might be the traitor? Don't really see why from her filter. So if this was the scum tool for that he either went and used it in his own way, or was playing badly. I'm back to this being a pretty townie use of the neighborizer role. Still not too sure of Rels, but the exchange we had yesterday made me lean more towards town, and I don't think the use of the QT was somehow scummy either. I don't have a logical reason p: that's kinda my ego talking. But I thought having a secret club of townies was really cool, even more so if it was rsoul and rayn 'cause I like playing with them. With her outting the QT, it's not possible anymore. Furthermore, I masoned her instead of rayn partly because I thought she would like to have a place to breathe outside the game, she was quite angry at some point early in the game; I did her a favor and she outted my role without even talking to me about it first! At least tha'ts how it felt at the time. I realize she was trying to solve the game and her actions are logical; but I felt betrayed all the same. It's not logical, it's emotional. | ||
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On March 12 2019 05:07 Vivax wrote: HEY RELS, WHO DID YOU MASON. IF YOU SAY NO-ONE, YOU ARE CONFIRMED MAFIA N1 rsoul N2 rayn, N3 I ve decided but won't say until tomorrow if I live | ||
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Also paraphrase what? | ||
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Well, no spoil but I wouldn't bet on it | ||
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On March 12 2019 09:13 Fecalfeast wrote: My bomb was on chezinu for the record probably why scum was afraid to kill you | ||
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On March 12 2019 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Can we talk about vivax? He should be 100% gone by now also 1000% gone. I wanna say the ace kill means that scum knew that sent was mafia that's a good theory actually | ||
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On March 12 2019 15:53 sicklucker wrote: Thats acualy true. If mafia knows ff is town they kill him if chez is town because its a 2 for 1 shot. Of course ff puts the bomb on the guy claiming his role who wouldnt. Like the logic is so sound no one can dispute today is over not voting chez is a scum claim. Goodbye see you next cycle this ones already over yep. That was my reasonning | ||
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On March 12 2019 23:00 Tubesock wrote: Acrofales - confirmed Sicklucker -he picked up why Chez is scum and FF is town Fecalfeast - bombing Chez is brilliant. I believe his claim and he’s the only hatter. Onegu - feels plus I like his mechanical analysis LightningStrike - Trust of the dead, too active for mafia LS Vivax - he’s alive because he’s useful for mafia, he does not promote town circles. Alakaslam- feels. I used to study Slam. This isn’t like any Slam I’ve ever seen. But feels. Grackaroni - he had a few posts I thought were spot on. Mocsta - probably should be null. Hmm Jockmcplop Meapak_ziph Mr. Wiggles - I think he could be town BUT OMGUS, he half assed went after LS (LS rule), and most the dead wanted his lynch. Including Ticktock. Darthfoley - POE mostly Rels- mafia need a mason to find Traitor, Rsoultin said scum with good reason, and Ticktock, plus I think 8 blues is a bit much. Pandain- I’ll never believe that a town day vig would make this post + Show Spoiler [call 4 HF vig] + On March 08 2019 18:43 Pandain wrote: Hey everyone. For those who don't know me, I'm pretty sure it's pretty obvious to tell when I'm town or not when I'm actually playing. Expect to see a hell of a lot more activity, and actually I was pretty up to date with the whole part of day 2 when I asked Kita to replace after I saw AMG was similarly overwhelmed like me the first day. I won't dwell on the past too much, but Holyflare 100% needs to be vigi'd tonight. It was remarkable watching the last day. HF talk has already spammed the thread and later tonight I'm going to be looking into others, but I want to emphasize two points. 1. Fake claimed for no town reason . I don't care about fake claims in general ,I used to do it all the time. However, when Town does it it's because they have a reason to (and holyflare already established he did not just do it for the "Lolz".) There was no reason to fake-claim, and honestly I'm not sure about how it benefits mafia but it sure as hell makes no sense from a town perspective. Also can we just kill people who outright lie for no reason? 2. Furthermore, HF dying gives a huge amount of information. If he's mafia, I actually think we can start wrapping up the game because HF has been at the center of the thread and voting thread for both days. If he actually does just turn out to be a balls-out crazy town, I think it's very safe to say a good amount of mafia probably voted for him after he made his intentions clear to vote Palmar. Either way, town is in a good position. However, I am pleading for a vigilante to end the job. The information best helps us if we know it at the start of the day cycle. I'm actually not even certain I would support a Holyflare day 3 lynch. Also just FYI BC and Ace need to die with fire if either of them live to day four. Oatsmaster- He townread then scumread Mr. Wiggles before this exchange + Show Spoiler [The Tube Trap] + On March 08 2019 04:42 Tubesock wrote: I never scumread him. So, it’s hilarious you are saying I’m scum for this, but apparently Wiggles is somehow town for doing exactly that. Take a look at my two posts: Then Why do you think i wrote the big and bold?? It’s a fucking trap and you fell right into it. Oatsmaster didn’t bother to read anything more than the single post and looking for “reads” at the shallowest of levels. You went straight to Tube is mafia because of this “slip” you found. Yet you had no idea it was a trap and you fell into it!!! This action on your part is representative of your entire game. You are mafia. Chezinu - there’s four scenarios concerning the Great FF/Chezinu Mad Hatter Debate of 2019. 1)Both are Mafia. This would be so goddamn genius. Lynch one they flip mafia and the other is confirmed town with 0% chance of being questioned for not being NK’d. Having a backup Cop flip day one and HF going on how this is a themed game I can see a world where Chez and FF think up this shit. Especially if Sicklucker is mafia also. They’re all crafty. But I think it is unnecessary and considering there’s only two dead mafia, I think it’s unlikely. But yolo end of era plays. HF tried one. 2) Fecalfeast/Chezinu- a one for one would be a complete waste. Almost zero chance. 3) both town- possible. Mafia could hold the shot on FF hoping they could mlynch Chezinu, and then shoot FF if he places a bomb on a mafia friendly target the next night. Seems needlessly risky for two free dead towns. 4)FecalfeastCezinu- mafia would never shoot in this instance unless for some crazy bad reason they thought FF was lying about his bomb. I think this is by far the most likely situation. My vote will not waver from Chezinu. I haven’t had internet since Thursday. Apologies. This Thursday and Friday I probably won’t have it again. There were technical difficulties at work. I’m caught up, going to be rereading stuff. I’ll be here for several hours. that post is so bad. Bunch of one liners for reads that should be way more explained, and an a super long explanation for the lead wagon that is arleady getting lynched. Good bus I gotta say Basically all of them are garbage, the worst ones: Sicklucker -he picked up why Chez is scum and FF is town This is it? I did that first, where are my town points? Fecalfeast - bombing Chez is brilliant. I believe his claim and he’s the only hatter. Claiming a bomb on the person he's counterclaiming makes him town? Vivax - he’s alive because he’s useful for mafia, he does not promote town circles. That doesn't make anyone town. Rels- mafia need a mason to find Traitor, Rsoultin said scum with good reason, and Ticktock, plus I think 8 blues is a bit much. ofc I'm biaised =D but everything here is wrong. Do you think I thought rsoul and rayn were traitors? rsoul rescinded her scum read before dying. TT was suspicious of me but his main targets were MZ and Wiggles. | ||
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On March 13 2019 08:04 Vivax wrote: Okay so I just spent an hour reading the last 15-20 pages. I get why y'all are annoyed with me for low activity but that's just the way the cookie has crumbled.Don't expect cases cuz I'm on one handed mobile I don't understand why everyone is shocked Ace got NK'd. I'm pretty sure he's some old FULL STOP THIS IS TOO ANNOYING So you're telling me you wrote this on a phone, one handed. You put in spaces after the commas, you capitalize everything correctly. You even quote a goddamn post. DF is lying guys. There is no human being on this earth patient enough to put up with all that shit one handed. Hell, I've tried retyping this on a computer with my right hand and by the time I stopped, 2:55 had passed. If df actually did what he claimed to have done, then he'd probably have needed more time than that. And on top of it, he'd have gone insane by the time he finished. Just try it out for yourself. Also bring a volunteer in to do it on mobile. LOL THIS IS THE BEST ANALYSIS POST IVE EVER SEEN | ||
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On March 13 2019 08:36 Mocsta wrote: Sorry if this has been covered, but how do we explain 3KP on N3? 2 scummers dead = 1KP reduction N1 = Cop, Vet, VT Claims: Nil Scum KP: Max (3 or 4) Option 1 = 4KP (Scum) - 2shots on Iamp Option 2 = 3KP (Scum) - RB on iamp Option 3 = 3KP (Scum) + 1KP (3P) - Scum + 3P shoot iamp [b]N2 = VT, VT, VT, VT, RB[b/] Claims: Lurker Vig, Delayed Vig Scum KP: Max (3 or 4) Option 1 = 3KP (Scum) + 1KP (Lurker Vig) + 1KP (Delayed Vig) Option 2 = 4KP (Scum) + 1KP (Delayed Vig) Option 3 = 3KP (Scum) + 1KP (Delayed Vig) + 1KP (3P) D3 = VT Claims: Dayvig N3 = Ace, Vig, VT Scum KP: Max -1 (2 or 3) Claims: Nil Option 1 = 3KP (Scum) Option 2 = 2KP Scum) + 1KP (3P) Analysing N3 If option 1 applies (3KP), then, scum had 4KP on N1 + N2; OR a 3P is in play. No matter what, Acro lurker vig claim is false. If option 2 applies (2KP), then scum had 3KP on N1 + N2 AND a 3P is in play. No matter what, Acro lurker vig claim is false. ???!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?? this is a lot of assumptions when we have no idea what the KP formulas is, or if it even depends of the number of mafia being alive. | ||
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as I'm not SL I will give you the full credit of posting it first | ||
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On March 13 2019 11:57 Fecalfeast wrote: Well what do you think of this then I gotta go for 30 minutes, but to be short I think a lurker vig is weird but possible, and more than that I don't know why acro as scum kills damdred if he could kill anyone he wanted Be back soon if you wanna talk more about it | ||
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On March 13 2019 12:03 Fecalfeast wrote: as cover/wifom/sick plays to make his story consistent is the only real answer to that seems like a bad story, since the more days pass, the more likely he's gonna be lynched for still being alive | ||
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On March 14 2019 02:50 Tubesock wrote: Same people I said before although I’m rethinking Chezinu. I thought I read that FF claimed he bombed him before nightfall but I was mistaken. So he’s definitely no longer surely mafia. that is it? But scum!Chez will always assume FF is gonna bomb him at night so how does that change anything about your huge reasonning? | ||
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On March 15 2019 00:54 Onegu wrote: I am 3p survivor. Don’t really care who I win with, plz don’t Lynch me... Hard to believe. The best way to play survivor is to claim D1; you claiming now when a lot of people wants your lynch is way less believable. | ||
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Your "breadcrumb" is only 30 hours old? Why not post one at the start of the game? This looks like not a breadcrumb but an afterthought, were you already a serious lynch candidate 30 hours ago? I need to check the timing | ||
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On March 13 2019 18:45 Acrofales wrote: Yeahhhh. Case incoming when I get to a PC. Let's lunch scum, ##vote: onegu And 1 hour later the breadcrumb appears: On March 13 2019 19:49 Onegu wrote: Unless we see a red flip at night from being shot I’m not even going to think about it.. if there is a third party I would put my money much more on there being a survivor... It's not a breadcrumb if you only do it when you're attacked ... a breadcrumb is supposed to prove you're not lying by showing that you committed secretly to your claim early on. This is not a secret commit, this is a reaction to being pushed | ||
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Yeah OK. But what is super weird a the timing of your breadcrumb. A breadcrumb is supposed to be done at the start of the game, so that when you reveal it, it supports that you were actually committing to this particular claim D1. Leaving a breadcrumb only after being attacked is like washing your bloody hands in front of a police officer | ||
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On March 16 2019 00:27 LightningStrike wrote: Ya guys DF just claimed scum with that reaction like if he is town and gotten the vt pm he should of just claimed that he was the unaware miller but his first reaction is to call him scum trying to win the game? His reaction was to call him town, then scum wehn mocsta said again he had a red check if I remember ? TBH I also don't understand anything about mocsta s claim , and I think that's by design. I think it s just a bait and he's riding it to provoke reactions. | ||
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On March 16 2019 04:46 Pandain wrote: Mocsta is almost certainly bullshiting about his claim, making him almost certainly mafia Nothing about his claim makes sense. 1. He claimed parity cop last night already, without revealing his checks. If he was really cop and was afraid to get shot, he almost certainly would have revealed his checks right before day. Not doing this shows he either isn't afraid of getting shot, or he doesn't care about revealing his information, neither of which makes sense if he's actually cop. 2. None of his checks make sense. Let's see who he says a. Koshi night one - Makes no sense. Mocsta had a strong town read on Koshi. Why would you check someone you have a town read on, especially when they were not posting at all like Koshi night one? + Show Spoiler + On March 06 2019 08:30 Mocsta wrote: I absolutely agree on that. You/acro/koshi/jock/HF are pretty much my only town reads. Note this is 30 minutes before day 2, so as recent that night as you can get b. Holyflare night two - Same deal here, Mocsta thought he was town. See spoilers below. Not only that, Mocsta was scumreading people like Exo and Oats. Like the last night, this filter makes no sense. I will also say this is the "lazy" choice for a fakeclaim check night two, as I bet with all the drama most people would have checked him if not the night before. However based on Mocsta's filter? No way. + Show Spoiler + On March 07 2019 20:20 Mocsta wrote: they are voting you because you are an internet narcissist. You have 10% of the page count for what? Congrats, you won the last mayor, and in my opinion wrecked town atmosphere. I dont think you are scum, I actually thought you were pretty sincere before you when you said you were burnt out. Makes sense, its a bucket load of effort to maintain. Acro has been putting it in equally too you know. I really think you are both town. I really want damdred lynched. or someone from the lurker pool Or vivax, i dont care at this point. I invested most of my energy into Ace and for what. fuckn 3P. sigh. On March 08 2019 11:02 Mocsta wrote: yep and thats what most townies do under pressure focus on anything to do with them. c. Ticktock night three - Alright, maybe, in that he was at least scumming him before. However, it is also convenient that they just all happen to be dead as well. And there's no way town had three cops, that's way way way too imbalanced. Can you imagine if the cops did not die day 1? This game would have been over from long before. However, the final nail in the coffin is that Mocsta rescinded his vote on DF. We are in a possible lylo situation right now depending on KP and how many mafia there are. Why would a parity cop who just checked someone who is red ever in a million years not keep pushing for his red check? Makes absolutely no sense if he's telling the truth. If we actually are in a lylo situation, it would be a perfect time for mafia to fake claim because they just need to get one person lynched. The whole circumstances surrounding Mocsta are super sketchy, shady, and scummy, and he's practically mafia in my book now. These circumstances also makes darthfoley a strong town in my book. If he is town, I'm not surprised that mafia would fakeclaim check him considering there is tons of suspicion on him. In short, he's contradictory, his "checks" don't make sense, and he isn't playing like someone who just checked scum. Thank you. This is exactly what is bothering me about Mocsta's claim, and why I wanted him to make a clear claim. I also wanted to check his reads on his check targets, so this is sparing me the effort lol | ||
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3P is also not possible. I've explained why it is only a strategy he came up while being pushed: On March 15 2019 07:00 Rels wrote: Yeah lol. Acro indicates he was post a case soon against Onegu, and votes him: And 1 hour later the breadcrumb appears: It's not a breadcrumb if you only do it when you're attacked ... a breadcrumb is supposed to prove you're not lying by showing that you committed secretly to your claim early on. This is not a secret commit, this is a reaction to being pushed To add something to this reasonning I didn't think at the time, there is the following: Onegu as a player showed that he's someone that thinks a breadcrumb is necessary to a claim, as evidenced by him ... leaving a breadcrumb while planning to claim, and also by his own words: On March 15 2019 02:31 Onegu wrote: Then just claim if I had to. And since I am going to be lynched I claimed. But not before I breadcrumb. BUT with this mindset, the best thing to do would be to breadcrumb very early in the game, ideally in his first post. That would prove beyond reasonnable doubts he's really survivor. The important point is: there is a disconnect between Onegu's awareness of him needing a breadcrumb to support his claim, and him only breadcrumbing 30 hours before his claim, when he's already under attack. How can we explain this disconnect? Easy; at the time you made your "Onegu is scum and I'll explain why soon" post, he thought his best chance to avoid lynch was to fakeclaim survivor, and he made his breadcrumb. Easy. Occam's razor in action here. There is also LS' point that he wouldn't be that angry after the Sentinel's point; I don't know how much of a strong point it is, and I don't need to - the above is already strong enough | ||
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On March 16 2019 07:59 Onegu wrote: I wasnt seriously being pushed when I crumbed. as scum, this kind of post will always make you react, even if you don't show it in thread: On March 13 2019 18:45 Acrofales wrote: Yeahhhh. Case incoming when I get to a PC. Let's lunch scum, ##vote: onegu so yeah, my assumption is that this post caused you to think of a fakeclaim, decide survivor, and plant a breadcrumb just in case you needed it later | ||
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On March 16 2019 08:09 Onegu wrote: has the presence of mind to think up a fake claim. breadcrumb it. off of a small push if that is not what happened, what did? | ||
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On March 16 2019 08:14 Onegu wrote: I knew my role. I knew I was getting a bit of heat. Nothing serious, but knew it could become something in the future. Also it was when people were talking about 3p so it felt like a good time. in your mind, you were getting "quite a bit of heat" way earlier: On March 15 2019 02:40 Onegu wrote: Because it would mean I was up for Lynch after that for not being on that Lynch. As people said I looked really bad after that flip. Bringing this up takes pressure of of me. By your reasonning, you would breadcrumb at that point (after the Sentinel flip). Why didn't you? | ||
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On March 16 2019 08:22 Onegu wrote: also did I crumb after the grack flip? I dont remember... no, it was during last day | ||
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On March 16 2019 13:51 Mocsta wrote: My PSA TL;DR I sheep my vote to Acro - He deserves this much for the only guy left giving a real shit about the game If this is it - Its been a bittersweet pleasure & I think Pandain + Rels are scum Im feeling much better about DF - I prob more wanted him to be scum, then I thought he was scum. I actually watched the whole thing and I think you're town now I thought your claim was shitty but I understand the attempt now, and I think the reaction you got out of DF was pretty good Lots of things in the video ofc I don't agree with the scumread on me. You say I'm backseating and just popping off from time to time, and that's why I'm scum; but this doesn't apply to me. As scum, I take the town leadership and get the lynches I want. As town I do my own thing when I have time to play. p: There are two things I really liked in the video: - the BH post about lurkers. I also have the mindset that most of the scumteam are lurkers, and have been watching town self-desotry themselves from the beginning. That's why actually the best lynch everyday would have been someone like ExO; not the most exciting one, but a good chance to hit scum - Oats' response to rsoul's scumread of BC and DF, commenting that her DF's scumread is "the worst scumread he's ever seen". That's might be a good parnter indicator right there. I didn't find Acro's point on Oats / BC beta / alpha very scummy, but this is way better Now one question: why do you think my reasonning on Onegu(s claim is wrong? | ||
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On March 16 2019 23:54 Mocsta wrote: I agree with the onegu reasoning - that survivor is unlikely I just find it hard to accept lynching a guy with 10% chance to flip survivor when theres at least another 3 scummers Ironically i forgot i even scum read u. I was focused on pandain. I think exo and mz both look real shit for lack of presence this cycle Goijg to bed now. OK, so we agree on the principle. I just disagree it's 10% chance, more like 1% for me | ||
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On March 17 2019 00:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Before we get into the show, we are paging Professor Acrofales, paging Professor Acrofales. If you're still here, we would like to know your thoughts on one 'darthfoley'. We consider him the strongest alternate lynch to Oats that we can rally town behind today. how can he be stronger than ExO or MZ? | ||
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On March 17 2019 00:17 darthfoley wrote: The fact that MZ had a lot of heat on him D1, by good players who we have since confirmed Town, yet has stayed under the radar and has been just active enough to avoid a wagon starting... I think he’s likely to flip scum. What do you remember about his play from the last two cycles? For me, my perception is that he’s pretty much parked his ass behind “I’ll sheep you Acro, I believe in you!!” Without actually committing to anything. He did this about me, where he’s said that he’s willing to sheep acro’s read on me. It feels TMI in a sense: he doesn’t seem worried AT ALL that Acro has been kept alive day after day after a vigi claim. No tin foil, no second guessing. No assuming Acro could be wrong (and hence, kept alive). He’s left himself a lot of wide open doors on what we assume is LYLO, except for this one. Then there is the fact that he’s been quite inactive to boot. I mean, read the last two pages of his filter. Give me the creeps the fact that TT had MZ and Wiggles as scum just before dying is still in my mind too | ||
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On March 17 2019 00:34 Acrofales wrote: Nope. I'm with you that he's probably scum, but at this point we just ignore him and find his scumbuddies. If he flips 3p we lose, and there is a real risk his 3p claim is real. A survivor in a 35-player game is totally possible. If we had killed 3 or 4 scummers and were having a terrible time finding their friends, I'd say lynch him to be sure. But we have gotten a single scummer and no associations from it. So it's really no need to lynch a possible 3p right now. Alright. ##Vote Oatsmaster | ||
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On March 16 2019 12:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ok i finally made it home. I think mocstas claim is wayyy too sloppy to be scum. I don't think this clears DF. I believe onegu's claim and I also believe we're at lylo so I'm not real impressed with the people who are pushing him rn. Why do you believe Onegu's claim? | ||
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On March 17 2019 02:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Mostly because of his breadcrumb. I know that's not the strongest reasoning in the world but on a potential lylo lynch I'd rather not take chances. I also think his play is consistent with a survivor type role. His breadcrumb was made only a day and a half before the claim, just after Acro started attacking him though. When you say his play is consistent with survivor, are you talking about before or after his claim? | ||
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On March 17 2019 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Literally DF hasn’t even flipped yet you muppet talking about BC here On March 17 2019 02:52 Oatsmaster wrote: I mean, believing in them means that he thought through it beforehand yes? again, how does that make me mafia? 'cause you still scumread him after that ... that's the whole point lol | ||
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On March 17 2019 04:31 Oatsmaster wrote: didnt say jack shit about rsouls read on BC. That's the point! | ||
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Dota 2 Mafia Mafia Killed Day 4 - 6 pages out of 281, or 2.1% of the thread Im a cop you idiot mafia --- the reboot Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 2 - 6 pages out of 281, or 2.1% of the thread Liquidmania Qualifier #1 Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1 - 3 pages out of 108, or 2.8% of the thread Hosts Revenge Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2 - 6 pages out of 172, or 3.5% of the thread MafiacalFeast I Town [b]Parity Cop Killed Night 3 - 6 pages out of 166, or 3.6% of the thread Classic Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 1 - 4 pages out of 193, or 2% of the thread TS: this game, 1% of the thread The New Personality Mafia Mafia Holyflare Killed Night 2 - 3 pages out of 220, or 1.4% of the thread TL Mafia LXXIII: The Nutcracker Mafia Godfather Endgamed Day 4 - 6 pages out of 88, or 6.8% of the thread Unoriginal Name Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2 - 6 pages out of 74, or 8.1% of the thread TL Mafia LXXIV: Storm Mafia 3 Town Forensics Expert Lynched Day 1 - 3 pages out of 220, or 0.6% of the thread Dota 2 Mafia Town Wraith King Survived Day 6 - 11 pages out of 382, or 3.9% of the thread A Wonderful Normal Game of Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1 - 3 pages out of 81, or 3.7% of the thread Newbie Student Mafia XXVI Mafia Roleblocker Survived Day 6 - 9 pages out of 158, or 5.7% of the thread Mafia For Busy People Town Vanilla Survived Day 3 - 2 pages out of 55, or 3.6% of the thread MafiacalFeast I Town Veteran Survived Day 6 - 12 pages out of 166, or 7.2% of the thread Medic Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1 - Cant access the thread?? darthfoley: this game, 2% of the thread Newbie Student Mafia XXVIII Mafia Vanilla Killed Night 1 - 3 pages out of 109, or 2.8% of the thread Vendee Globe 16 Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Day 3 - 13 pages out of 126, or 10.3% of the thread Heroes of the Storm Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 1 - 6 pages out of 77, or 7.8% of the thread Newbie Student Mafia XXVII Town Vanilla Killed Night 1 - 4 pages out of 77, or 4.2% of the thread Mafia Mafia Mafia Mafia Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 4 - 12 pages out of 68, or 17.6% of the thread Elementary Mafia Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 4 - 3 pages out of 74, or 3.1% of the thread Classic Mafia Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 3 - 17 pages out of 193, or 8.8% of the thread Medic Mafia Town Medic Survived Night 3 - Still can't access for some reason LOL this is kinda useless | ||
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On March 17 2019 04:21 Tubesock wrote: I don’t think Wiggles has played towny. I started disliking him once he started doing the radio show, but he was getting the benefit of the doubt because we voted similarly. But recently I feel like he’s following sentiment. I thought Oatsmaster was scum for sure for awhile. My doubts started when he didn’t kill me the day we lynched Chezinu. He had every opportunity and plenty of justifications, but he stayed on you. Then kept me in his scum lists. It weirded me out a bit, and this day cycle I think I like most his posts. Except the ones where he tells Acro to just believe him or pull his head out. But town people seem to like saying that shit too. This is it? First, what does it change that he stayed on Meapak instead of you? If you're town, maybe his vote would have been the difference between you dying or a town veteran dying; does it matter? Second, I don't see what you're finding good about his posts. He's clearly just trying to survive, he picked a target and is trying to get him. His "case" was cherry-pick 4 back-to-back recent Wiggles posts then pasting the convenient conclusion of "Wiggles is passive". | ||
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On March 16 2019 17:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Wriggles is mafia Lets start with this post he doesnt really entertain the idea that Onegu is mafia fakeclaiming 3p seriously, instead wanting to take the claim at face value but like he isnt suspicious at all. Instead, its a really long part of fluff that basically says "meh hes probably survivor for no reason and I dont want to lynch him today" scummy waste of time post okay so this post, right before this wriggles seems to "know" that df is mafia with a lot of confidence right so like its a joke but that comes from no question at all that he thinks DF is mafia because of the red check from mocsta In the post analyzing mocsta, he states that the claim is off but he doesnt commit to a read on mocsta because of that and that seems to me like a lot of hedging kinda seeing where the town read him and then commit to that read. Like he basically says "shrug, i dunno its weird, dont look at me i dont know". Again, another post that looks good but says absolutely nothing. Im just gonna stop here for now, but throughout his filter, theres a lack of like interest to actually get the people he thinks is scum lynched. He kinda waffles a bit, plays a bit of mentor advice role but legitimately just hides in the shadows. His show is just a way to fluff up his posts, and if you notice, for the most part he doesnt actually progress anything in his show. Its basically him answering some questions and peacing out. So he is putting his opinion in the thread but not actually using it for any reason whatsoever to look townie. Theres a reason Palmar wanted him to die. this is the lynch for today ##vote wriggles Like, this is a lot of words, but this is so bad. For context, before that case, the last Wiggles' posts spree was these 7 posts: + Show Spoiler + On March 15 2019 11:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Good evening to our long time fans and first time listeners alike. You're tuned in to the Dead Zone Show, Liquidia's number one and only late night radio program. I'm your host Mr. Wiggles, and it's truly a pleasure to still be with you here tonight, whether you're patiently counting down the time until blood runs red in the streets once again or frantically looking to avert your scum buddies' imminent slaughter. We'll be opening the line up right away to our dedicated callers; for the first time in Dead Zone Show history we find our fan mail bag empty. We hope you enjoy the program. + Show Spoiler + On March 15 2019 11:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: In recent news, suspected mafia accomplice Onegu has claimed the role of 3rd Party Survivor. Your host is pleased that their read of 'not-town' turned out correct. However, there still remains the matter of determining the absolute truth in this case. We are not sure that it made sense for Onegu to claim 3rd party at night. There's no threat of lynch at that point, and it is doubtful scum would shoot them given the general suspicion surrounding their business in the town. So, what's the point of the claim at that time? Is it because the claim had been previously planned by scum and they were nervous in wanting to post after the lynch? Time will tell. This is yet another point added to a growing pile of inconsistencies surrounding Onegu's claimed allegiance. Now, if our listeners would indulge us as we take a trip down a line of inquiry smelling of fine wine, we can theorise as to the possible scum motivations of Onegu's claim. From the reads stated in calls to the show, Onegu was widely regarded as being a good lynch candidate and a likely member of Liquidia's most notorious crime family. Without a doubt, the pressure would have been on today. So, claiming 3rd party at this point allows Onegu to take himself out of the pool of suspects and buy more time. Given that town is likely on the brink of failure and needs to lynch correctly several times in a row (see professor Acrofales' excellent analysis) this provides benefit to scum since town will now be looking into their weaker reads, where the chance of mislynch is higher. Given that town's reads are likely to become more accurate over time, this gives a higher chance of success for scum than if we had simply proceeded with the Onegu lynch directly. With this being said, we are still evaluating how to handle Onegu. He is surely not a member of our town, but is he a threat? After the events of last night, we may have a sure lock on another scum candidate, so this question can probably be put on the back burner for now. We think it may be in our best interest to lynch him if we find ourselves in muddy waters in the next few cycles, but we can likely leave him be for today. On March 15 2019 12:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Suspected criminal mastermind Oatsmaster calls in with the following question: We would direct their attention to the two recent journal articles published by esteemed citizen Professor Acrofales in the Liquidia Journal of Criminology: Your hosts at the Dead Zone Show tend to agree with this analysis, and at least the general sentiment that we must try our hardest to lynch into scum. There should be no more talk of throw-away lynches to thin lurkers or bad players at this point. On March 15 2019 12:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Though, on reflection, is that a slip from our red friend DarthFoley? On March 15 2019 12:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ever-faithful listener and #1 Dead Zone Show fan LightningStrike calls in with the following question: We're still trying to wrap our heads around the claim. We agree on the general scumminess of darthfoley and will be voting there as we figure out the rest of the day. We'll be interested in seeing any letter addressed from Professor Acrofales regarding the target of today's lynch. During the night cycle he argued strongly that we need to lynch Oatsmaster, and we'd like to see some more reasoning for that target compared to df. Now for the claim itself, we're not sure whether we believe it. There was some weirdness, a so-called 'ploy', around last night's check. Similarly, the timing of the claim was odd. Why post a claim with almost the full night ahead so that scum can decide whether to shoot you? mocsta was around for just before the flips, so that would have been the more logical time for the claim to come out. The scum motivation for this would be if we're in a do or die situation like the Professor pointed out, and df is town. This would cement a scum victory if we followed the claimed check blindly. On the other hand, we have been reading mocsta as town, and historically they have acted quite compulsively. From that perspective, your hosts are pondering whether a town mocsta would try to fake claim to ensure they got the lynch they wanted. We haven't followed their past career closely enough to know if this is something they would do, but it does seem possible. The alternative is that we're over-thinking this and mocsta really does moonlight as a private eye, but overall the claim needs to be clarified since something smells off to us here at the show. On March 15 2019 12:24 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Death row inmate darthfoley calls in with the following: On March 15 2019 13:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote: We'll be shutting down the lines early for tonight's episode of the Dead Zone Show to catch some shut eye. Sweet dreams Liquidia. Remember to send in your letters so we can read them on air live during the next show. We'll see you tomorrow evening! And what do we find in Oats' case? 4 out of the 7 posts are used to justify his scumread on Wiggles. It looks like he just opened his filter, went to the last page, and made a case with what he found. Then his conclusion starts with: "Im just gonna stop here for now, but throughout his filter, theres a lack of like interest to actually get the people he thinks is scum lynched" Stop where? You just quoted his few last posts, you didn't show anything that proved you went "throughout his filter". | ||
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yep, I think he's town. Why are you not suspicious of TS making a 180 on his read on you for bad reasons? Everything that made TS scum yesterday still makes him scum today. | ||
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On March 16 2019 06:10 Tubesock wrote: Oatsmaster, I don’t understand why you didn’t kill me since you’ve been scum reading me near as long as MZ. And I can’t really tell why you apparently want him dead over me as I’m in your filter about as much. So why MZ over me? I don't understand how this interrogation turns into a townread. So, in the scenario you're town, Oats sees a TvT lynch between Chez (claimed vet) and you (a scumread). He doesn't pick side and stay on MZ without making waves, the lynch falls on Chez. Why is it a reason to townread him? If anything, it's kinda scum indicative that he didn't pick a side in a TvT lynch. I'm not saying it makes him scum by itself, but it NEVER makes him town | ||
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On March 17 2019 05:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Anyway so you kinda brushed aside the case without giving a real reason why it’s bad. Do you think wriggles has been proactive? Do you think that those dead zone posts are good posts and why? I've explained exactly why it's bad lol I think his dead zone posts are pretty good. He's clearly having fun and playing his own little game, but he's not hiding behind it to not give his thoughts. His logic is easy to follow and makes sense. | ||
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On March 17 2019 05:40 LightningStrike wrote: Slam and ExO aren't here and not voted either. Very concerning. TBH there is a very high chance ExO is scum just lurking around. I'm sure he'll get back just in time to vote too Slam's votes last EOD were pretty townie though, especially if TS is scum | ||
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On March 17 2019 02:13 Rels wrote: His breadcrumb was made only a day and a half before the claim, just after Acro started attacking him though. When you say his play is consistent with survivor, are you talking about before or after his claim? MZ you never answered that I think | ||
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On March 17 2019 06:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm talking about his play throughout the whole game. He hasn't sought to draw attention to himself. What about these? On March 11 2019 08:15 Onegu wrote: NO ONE GETS ANY TOWN POINTS FOR BEING ON THAT WAGON!!! On March 11 2019 08:40 Onegu wrote: ONCE AGAIN TO HAMMER THIS HOME NO ONE GETS ANY TOWN CRED FROM THAT LYNCH. | ||
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On March 17 2019 06:47 ExO_ wrote: here for the last bit...whatd I miss. Think im just going to sheep acro I called it =D | ||
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On March 17 2019 06:52 Onegu wrote: Like I want people to look at what I have said about my role... I am 3p it is the only thing that makes sense for me. I AM A SURVIOR. I have talked about why I screamed about that traitor lynch. It made me look bad so I had to make a reason why I dont look bad. calm down, only LS, me, and now exo wants you lynched today. Unless Acro or Mocsta changed their minds you're not gonna get lynched | ||
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On March 17 2019 06:55 Onegu wrote: I dont see why you would want to lynch me... Like tell me why I am not a survivor? Read my filter and it looks like a survivor because I am one... I talked about it a lot already about why I don't think you're survivor, we talked about it actually at some point. You're not getting lynched today so it's whatever. It's in my filter if you want really want to reopen the debate | ||
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On March 17 2019 07:11 Alakaslam wrote: Shit shit shit where my vote going the dude TS is defending when he shouldn't? | ||
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On March 17 2019 07:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Holy shit you can't be serious. Did you learn nothing last EOD? TBH I thought it was a good idea too if ExO didn't show up, but him coming back asking for Onegu's head made me think otherwise | ||
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On March 17 2019 07:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Dear Dead Zone Show listeners, we have a situation on our hands! Suspected scum Rels has been whispering dark things into the ear of our #1 fan LightningStrike. LightningStrike is now prepared to turn his back on the town and elope with Rels after murdering ExO_. We'll be commenting live on this situation as it develops. Concerned citizen Meapak_Ziphh writes in: We agree with this. You can break if off with Rels and join the town before it's too late! Don't give in to this manipulation LOL nice theory but the transcripts will show you're wrong | ||
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On March 17 2019 07:59 Onegu wrote: I doubt oats is scum but hey we wont lynch LS or Pandain... why would you even care if you're survivor lol | ||
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On March 01 2019 23:48 iamperfection wrote: This game is for the title btw give us the title! =D Thanks kita and Dandel for hosting | ||
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On March 18 2019 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Jock played ok, all other mafia were just random shit not wanting to kill themselves. Well done Jock. we played a really good game. Lying low when town were fighting themselves, townie enough to not be lynched but not enough so that it would be surprising we were not night killed, and influencing the thread when needed. The closest scum got to being lynched was Wiggles D5, and we managed to succeed at diverting the counterwagon to MZ. I agree Jock played a really impressive game given it's his first one. | ||
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On March 18 2019 01:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I really hope this isn't the end of TL Mafia. I've played on and off here for almost 9 years and this place was sort of a haven for me when I was growing up. I like all the vets who showed up and had fun getting to know the new people I hadn't played with. I felt like the thread atmosphere was a lot of fun and I'd love to see us run a game maybe once a quarter or so, that way people don't get burned out and also have a chance to block out their schedules to play. Me too! | ||
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On March 18 2019 02:45 rsoultin wrote: I'm not upset with you no worries <3 Game was tough. And I really find it funny Rels that you qt'd me cause you thought you could buddy me xDDDDD Thanks for the town read btw :D Yeah that was definitely a bad plan lol | ||
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