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[TSL] White-Ra, Cloud, G5 Interviews
December 27th, 2009 07:33 GMT
Interviews with White-Ra, Cloud, and G5
We interviewed a few more TSL Ro48 qualified players about their experience on the TSL Ladder and their thoughts on the upcoming TSL Ro48 Qualifiers. Check out the TSL Top 48 Qualifier Groups, where you can find where your favorite player finished and who he's scheduled to play in the TSL Round of 48.
White-Ra is one of the most well-known and respected Protoss players in the community for his skill and his friendly personality. He's an old school great who is arguably at the top of his game at the moment, as evidenced by his predominantly Korean opponent match list during the TSL Ladder. White-Ra has represented the Ukraine in a half dozen WCGs, and has been invited to countless other live tournaments. He finished #5 in the TSL Ladder.
Interview with ESC.White-RaCongratulations! Were you ever worried about qualifying Top 12?No, I know I will get Top-12, it's not hard but big problem is when you can't play vs TSL members . You had to play many Koreans. Are you flattered that so many TSL players thought you were strong enough to avoid?Yes, 80% of my games were vs Koreans^^. But I do not want to say I'm better than other players. It's a game and you can be better and still lose. It's Starcraft ^^. Sometimes non-Korean can still play a really good game. You had a great stage win in IEF over Boxer! What were you thinking when you beat him?I have made it my mission when I went to Korea to beat Boxer in a TV game. It was my main task. You probably know that we are both old school pros, and it was interesting to see who was better right now. After my win, many Koreans know me and the Ukraine^^. You are known for being a very nice guy. Are you really like this? When does White-Ra get angry?Certainly I get angry, but more often at myself than at others. Still, I'm angry at our government which does not think of the people. Also, earlier in 1996-2001, I often participated in fights, but now I understand nothing good can come of that . Therefore, I also began to spend my time playing Starcraft which took me off the street . You participated in street fights? Did you always win?You know, like fights in a night club with your friends vs other guys all the time. Sometimes my friends and I kick ass, sometimes we get our ass kicked . But the majority of conflicts back then were over girls^^. You said this funny quote about a girl who tried to proxy hatchery you. Good thing you have progamer scouting!Hehe yes, I love girls. At least in Ukraine, I had many girls, and one girl from Kiev said to me that I have daughter. But then I check, and she lied to me^^. Last 3-years I have found my love, so I don't need any more girls. But we are men and sometimes we look at women and we can discuss them with friends^^. Many players when they meet you say that you are very friendly guy. What do you guys do when you meet up at live events?We can drink and talk at parties^^. I like our Starcraft community, the people that I meet and got to know are 90% very good and kind, so it's always easy to talk and joke with them . Did you look at your TSL group? What do you think of your chances against Killer, Drone, and Closer?Three Zergs in my group rocks^^. But they qualified Top-48 so they are all gosu. So I will not relax, because I must play my best if I want to advance to the final stage of TSL. What do you think of other groups? Which players are you cheering for?Group B and F are strong, and I hope Strelok advances. Other groups, it is hard to say. All players have same skill, whoever plays best will advance . Thanks for the interview and good luck in TSL qualifiers!Thank you and TL for working hard for the SC community. I am working on a project in the Ukraine to help develop cybersports, hopefully it will turn out well and help our favorite game! Good luck!
ClouD finished #30 in the TSL Ladder, but do not let that rank fool you. Last year in the Razer TSL, Cloud fought eventual champion IefNaij to a close and deciding third game. After WCG, Cloud is having fun and practicing hard again, and is the main reason why Ret cannot take Group F lightly.
Interview with inF.ClouDCongratulations! Were you ever worried about qualifying? How much did you play on the last day?Thank you! i didn't play much because my pc was crashing a lot so I only played a few games to make sure to qualify. I probably could have made it to Top 24, but didn't want to risk my spot. In the end I'm happy like this anyway . You were not very active in the period before TSL. What made you decide to play? Did you ever consider not participating?After WCG, I really wanted to start playing again. TSL2 was the occasion to start over again, and prove to myself I could still be a top foreign player, or even become better than I was. I am enjoying my time playing Starcraft right now, and I'm not planning on quitting again any soon. Do you consider yourself in better shape than before? You came quite close to beating the Razer TSL Champion Iefnaij last time.Last time it was pretty stupid, because if I didn't forget 1/3 of my goons away in the decisive fight i would have won 2-0. This time though after the warm up provided by TSL2 ladder, I feel I'm a much better player, and I believe I will eventually get much better before the group stage. You have a very difficult group. Do you think you have a good chance to defeat G5, Flaf, and Ret?Well my predictions always turn out wrong, so I kind of want to cheer against myself this time. I actually respect G5's skills, I have no idea who Flaf is, and I really have no idea how challenging it would be to face Ret right now. People say he's unbeatable but I'll just practice on ICCup and eventually see if it's true in case I get to play him. Have you had some time to look at the other groups? Do you have friends you are cheering for? Who has the toughest group?Yeah, I think overall groups are pretty nice, not too many top players will eliminate each other before the playoffs. I am mostly cheering for ToT guys and Mondragon. Even if i'm not in their team anymore, I still love them :D I think the group with the most raw skills in it is mine, while the most balanced one is Group L. You have many fans on TL that like your personality as well as your play. Do you have any words to say to them? I'm sure they fear for your qualification because you are in Ret's group.I am being kind of an ass lately because I'm having a bad period in my life, so I think I've actually lost quite a bit of popularity. Yet I really appreciate some people still cheer for me and like how I play. Every time I get appreciation I'm very grateful and it motivates me a lot. I don't think my chances to pass the Group are that bad, I'm in a good form now and I'm really taking my game to the next level for this TSL. So if I don't worry, no one else should Thanks and good luck!Thank you. Much love to Teamliquid <3
G5 squeaked into the Top 48 behind a few last minute wins and the last few ladder abuser disqualifications. Many believe G5 much stronger than his #43 rank, especially in PvT. He has his work cut out for him though, as Group F is believed by many to be the TSL Ro48's "Group of Death" with both Ret and ClouD.
Interview with G5[Media]Congratulations on qualifying! You had a really really close call at the end there.Thanks. Yeah I was happy to get in but I was also sad some people such as Dimaga get DQ'd. In the games you played against Morrow in the final hours of the TSL Ladder, you admitted in the chat that you were going to qualify. Was it a surprise when you saw your name in the "qualified" list? When did you realize that you had a chance?When the first list of DQ's came out so fast, I knew there would be more. There was so much tension, dodging and anger in this ladder from many of the top players that I had a feeling people would cheat / get DQ'd. If I didn't qualify I was content with that, but throughout the entire ladder I had to feeling there would be many DQ's. Everyone really cared about qualifying for this tournament and put a lot of pressure on themselves which is always a recipe for cheating. I wish it didn't turn out that way though because I ran into so many Koreans who would specifically say "NO TSL" when spamming for games and when I asked why, they would say it's because people with the TSL tag are BM. The cheating / BM due to the intensity of the ladder really brought out the worst in some and it ruins foreigner reputation. I just wish it didn't go down like it did. Let's talk a little about that. There was some tension between you and TSL admins last time. Without getting too much into it, since we've all put it behind us, did your outlook change toward the ladder? Did the admins change? We noticed you seemed a lot happier and carefree in our interactions.Last time was a disgrace and I won't even get into it. I have been playing this game since I was 13, I have grown up and matured with this game and I think since the last TSL I have grown up quite a bit. I have a good life and Starcraft isn't a huge priority in it anymore. I have learned to not take what people say to you online personally anymore. A lot of that is from all of the LANs / good times I have had with people I have hated online. You qualified while playing many Koreans, and you even helped your friend Idra by beating Morrow, which stopped him from stealing #1. Did Idra thank you for that?Yeah as soon as I came out of the game Greg congratulated me. Infamous quote from after the game - G5 "4 fact from 1 base only works once". IdrA - "But it works once? I'll keep that in mind" [Editor's Note: Morrow performed a quick 1-base 2-fac rush two times against G5, succeeding the first time but failing the second time.] What was your reaction when you officially found out you qualified?When I officially found out I qualified it was from the Dimaga list of DQ's and I was actually stunned that Dimaga cheated. So... I was actually just stunned for about 5-10 minutes / sad about Dimaga and then got happy later on. As you can tell Dimaga is a friend of mine and an absolutely awesome guy to hang out with (may i add) ^^. Your group is quite difficult. What are your thoughts on your opponents and your chances?I have seen my group and it's definitely a tough one. I have played Ret and Cloud a good amount. I have no idea who FlaF is. First and foremost I can't look past Cloud, I will get most prepared for that match. Cloud is a very solid / strong PvP player. I have met him on ladder a lot / some tournaments and we always seem to go just around 50/50 with each other. FlaF, as I said, I have no idea who that is. So I probably won't prepare too much for that match and just look straight on to Ret and prepare decently for him. Ret is obviously the favorite in the group. If I do loose I hope it will be to Ret or Cloud. It's always easier on yourself losing to friends. Who are you rooting for in the other groups?I guess I will just go through the groups and list who I want to win. A - IdrA > NonY, NonY win group. D - Strelok. E - White_rA. G - Nyoken (if not him, Fenix). H - KawaiiRice. I - XiaOzi. J - iNcontroL. K - Sen. L - Infernal. The rest of the groups I don't really care. Either way I think IdrA will win this tournament with 90% certainty. Good luck in qualifiers. Do you have any last words to say to fans or TL?Thanks for supporting me and thanks for the interview and tournament.
There will be many more interviews with the other TSL Top 48 qualifiers soon. Until then, enjoy the replay packs that have been released by the players, and discuss the TSL Qualifier Groups with other fans.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
Great interviews, looking forward to more.
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Awesome. Stories from the player's perspective are always fun reads.
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great interviews once again ^_^... so can someone pm me what happened with g5 last tsl? I dont remember
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so White-Ra didnt only use to be everywhere, he used to be in bar fights!? Ukraine's a scary place, no doubt about it..
Great interviews. Some personal gems in there!
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More great interviews, thanks TSL team!
Try to get some info on that flaf dude please
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United States11637 Posts
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Strongly underestimating FlaF... He's got a nice ZvP and I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up playing Ret in the finals of group F o.o;
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Good interviews as always Definitely building the hype.
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Great XD really enjoy that thx
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Awww... White-Ra so nice
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Thank you guys. Professionnal and entertaining warm-up you're providing !
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I don't think anyone is underestimating FlaF is just that no one knows him. But the TSL has proved that if you are were you are is because you deserve that spot.
I am looking forward to the next stage because there a re a lot of names I want to see play which are not the usual players. FlaF being one of them. Almost all of the groups have an underdog to root for. Hopefully we will have another BRAT_OK this TSL.
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Artosis
United States2135 Posts
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I lol'd hard at White-Ra interview. Hard to imagine him being a punk in his 20s. And G5 interview was fun too, except his lacks in math of course.
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How did cookie monster and cloud become associated wiht one another?
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Haha after reading this interview I believe I am growing partial to White-Ra
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and again great interviews with great players.
thanks TL <3
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
On December 27 2009 19:13 SiZ.FaNtAsY wrote: How did cookie monster and cloud become associated wiht one another? Nobody knows. It's a mistery.
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Nice interviews But you should have asked White-ra about this thread
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Classy bunch! Loving the white-ra and G5/Idra quotes.
"But it works once? I'll keep that in mind." :D
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Thanks for more interviews. One thing I didn't know was that Koreans didn't want to play people with TSL tag due to bm
Sad to hear stuff like that.
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MURICA15980 Posts
White-Ra is hilarious hahahaha!
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Flaf took out white-ra 2:0 in iccup league few days ago.
keep that in mind.
Cheering for Cloud, love the guy. Too bad he will have to face Ret if he gets up the qualifiers.
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white-ra is like the soviet version of legionaire.
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White-Ra = BAMF
such a baller
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Great interviews. Reading White-Ra's was so entertaining. How can anyone not love this guy. Hoping to see a showdown between him and Cloud, would be cool and a match where I want both players to advance.
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ah yes mistaking the 2 fac for 4 facs
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This White-ra guy is like an old man sitting atop a mountain and staring at stuff, chuckling and thinking "Oh, if only they knew...".
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On December 27 2009 20:38 Klogon wrote: White-Ra is hilarious hahahaha!
Lol. White-Ra had a baby-daddy incident? But he called that lying bitch out, that's pretty fucking baller.
I hope ClouD can make it out of his group!
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lol so little time of the ladder left my only option was to allin all of my games at the end xD
cant believe my 2fac worked first game against his 2gate reaver on crosspositon
nice interviews, <3 ra :DD
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Great interviews good to see the other side of ra :D
Gl guys
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Katowice25012 Posts
Everything White-Ra says and does is amazing, great interviews
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good luck cloud! show us your magic again.
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gogo
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On December 27 2009 23:06 bugsybins wrote: This White-ra guy is like an old man sitting atop a mountain and staring at stuff, chuckling and thinking "Oh, if only if they knew...". Haha! Exactly my thoughts!
Really nice content once again!
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It's been said before, but still: It's frustrating that Ret, Cloud, and G5 are in the same group.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On December 27 2009 23:06 bugsybins wrote: This White-ra guy is like an old man sitting atop a mountain and staring at stuff, chuckling and thinking "Oh, if only if they knew...".
That White-Ra interview was amazing.
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G5 to look past FlaF? I mean I know you have no idea who he is, but you should know to NEVER look past anyone in a Tournament.
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"Either way I think IdrA will win this tournament with 90% certainty."
Argh. Stats-man ANGRY!
I think people greatly underestimate the role of chance in tournaments like this (same deal as the OSL/MSL/whatever). If someone is really good at a specific matchup in Korea, they tend to have a 70%+ win-rate. Let's give Idra an 85% win-rate in all three matchups, and a 95% chance at making the RO16. To win the tournament, he'll need to qualify for the RO16, then win 5 consecutive matches: 0.95 * (0.85^5) = 0.422, or less than 43%.
Obviously, this isn't a slight on Idra -- the point is that even 16 players is a lot, and all of the people who make the RO16 are going to be good. To have a 90% chance of winning, even just starting from the RO16, a player would need over a 97% winrate against other RO16 players.
Having now wandered wildly off-topic -- these interviews are always awesome. Are we going to all the groups before group play starts?
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My god 3 of my favorite toss's in 1 interview, Ty TL
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On December 28 2009 02:29 oberon wrote: "Either way I think IdrA will win this tournament with 90% certainty."
Argh. Stats-man ANGRY!
I think people greatly underestimate the role of chance in tournaments like this (same deal as the OSL/MSL/whatever). If someone is really good at a specific matchup in Korea, they tend to have a 70%+ win-rate. Let's give Idra an 85% win-rate in all three matchups, and a 95% chance at making the RO16. To win the tournament, he'll need to qualify for the RO16, then win 5 consecutive matches: 0.95 * (0.85^5) = 0.422, or less than 43%.
Obviously, this isn't a slight on Idra -- the point is that even 16 players is a lot, and all of the people who make the RO16 are going to be good. To have a 90% chance of winning, even just starting from the RO16, a player would need over a 97% winrate against other RO16 players.
Having now wandered wildly off-topic -- these interviews are always awesome. Are we going to all the groups before group play starts?
While this is statistically sound this doesn't really work for application to a tournament like this -.-
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Dominican Republic825 Posts
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On December 28 2009 03:36 sAfuRos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2009 02:29 oberon wrote: "Either way I think IdrA will win this tournament with 90% certainty."
Argh. Stats-man ANGRY!
I think people greatly underestimate the role of chance in tournaments like this (same deal as the OSL/MSL/whatever). If someone is really good at a specific matchup in Korea, they tend to have a 70%+ win-rate. Let's give Idra an 85% win-rate in all three matchups, and a 95% chance at making the RO16. To win the tournament, he'll need to qualify for the RO16, then win 5 consecutive matches: 0.95 * (0.85^5) = 0.422, or less than 43%.
Obviously, this isn't a slight on Idra -- the point is that even 16 players is a lot, and all of the people who make the RO16 are going to be good. To have a 90% chance of winning, even just starting from the RO16, a player would need over a 97% winrate against other RO16 players.
Having now wandered wildly off-topic -- these interviews are always awesome. Are we going to all the groups before group play starts? While this is statistically sound this doesn't really work for application to a tournament like this -.-
Oh? And why's that?
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BTW, White-Ra new mantoss!? ^.^
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On December 28 2009 04:19 Welmu wrote: BTW, White-Ra new mantoss!? ^.^
No, not new mantoss
there will never be another
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United States17042 Posts
Looking forward for more interviews. Let's go Cloud!
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Canada5565 Posts
yay more interviews! I had no idea White-Ra was still this good, awesome
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On December 28 2009 04:29 onihunter wrote:No, not new mantoss there will never be another
Stork's the new mantoss. White-Ra's the badass toss, and been so for a long time.
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Thanks for more excellent interviews. I appreciate hearing from the big name players, but it'd be nice to get to know some of the dark horse players as well.
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White-Ra is doing it right. Not dodging Koreans, beating Boxer and staying home to actively advance the gaming scene there.
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i really like G5 and Cloud. Why do they have to be in the same group as ret?
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Great interviews. Kawaiirice next?
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Haha, loved the White ra interview, white ra in his 20's reminds me of a greaser.... fighting and all.
Good interviews as usual.
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Thanks for more great interviews!
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United States12607 Posts
Thanks for the interviews!
Protoss fighting!
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Great interviews! White-Ra defiantly gained a fan from this event!
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
really nice job <3
<3 eric/whitera/cloud
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Good luck White-Ra. Will be rooting for you! Here's hoping for NonY vs White-Ra in the Finals!! (After White-Ra stomps on Idra of course )
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On December 28 2009 04:18 Ganfei wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2009 03:36 sAfuRos wrote:On December 28 2009 02:29 oberon wrote: "Either way I think IdrA will win this tournament with 90% certainty."
Argh. Stats-man ANGRY!
I think people greatly underestimate the role of chance in tournaments like this (same deal as the OSL/MSL/whatever). If someone is really good at a specific matchup in Korea, they tend to have a 70%+ win-rate. Let's give Idra an 85% win-rate in all three matchups, and a 95% chance at making the RO16. To win the tournament, he'll need to qualify for the RO16, then win 5 consecutive matches: 0.95 * (0.85^5) = 0.422, or less than 43%.
Obviously, this isn't a slight on Idra -- the point is that even 16 players is a lot, and all of the people who make the RO16 are going to be good. To have a 90% chance of winning, even just starting from the RO16, a player would need over a 97% winrate against other RO16 players.
Having now wandered wildly off-topic -- these interviews are always awesome. Are we going to all the groups before group play starts? While this is statistically sound this doesn't really work for application to a tournament like this -.- Oh? And why's that?
Basically because of the consecutive coin flips scenario. The chances of you flipping heads 10 times in a row are really really small, but that doesn't mean that after the 9th flip, the chances of the coin ending up heads are any smaller. It's still 50-50.
So if Idra has ~75% chance of beating someone, he will have that chance in every match (not to mention he only has to win 2 out of 3 or 3 out of 5, which gives a good room for minor errors). That intial chance that will always be high, and the room for error should turn up with a higher percentage than 43.
And even so, if Idra has 43% chance of winning, it means that others in the top 16 have ~5% to ~20% tops, which would STILL mean that Idra is twice as likely to win this than anyone else, were you to calculate everything in percentages that is.
So yeah, you can't really do that in a tournament because there are many factors to take into account, and even if you do, you won't have complete results unless you do it for other players too (or at least favorites and such).
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It makes me happy that G5 is rooting for KawaiiRice in group H.
He's one of my favorite players. Up and coming, very young, and he likes Jpop which is an auto win in my book <3.
KAWAIIRICE FIGHTING!!!!!
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oh man White-Ra is a fighter ;D
I really hope Cloud gets a chance to advance from his group. <3 Cloud
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killer will win the tsl 98% certain
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That math doesn't work because the matches aren't Bo1s. (Also, you only need 4 wins from Ro16 on, not 5.)
White-Ra really is everywhere if there are lots of little White-Ras running around the Ukraine.
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On December 29 2009 03:47 Pablols wrote: killer will win the tsl 98% certain
94.324% certain you are wrong =\
GL G5, Cloud and White-ra!
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On December 28 2009 02:29 oberon wrote: "Either way I think IdrA will win this tournament with 90% certainty."
Argh. Stats-man ANGRY!
I think people greatly underestimate the role of chance in tournaments like this (same deal as the OSL/MSL/whatever). If someone is really good at a specific matchup in Korea, they tend to have a 70%+ win-rate. Let's give Idra an 85% win-rate in all three matchups, and a 95% chance at making the RO16. To win the tournament, he'll need to qualify for the RO16, then win 5 consecutive matches: 0.95 * (0.85^5) = 0.422, or less than 43%.
Obviously, this isn't a slight on Idra -- the point is that even 16 players is a lot, and all of the people who make the RO16 are going to be good. To have a 90% chance of winning, even just starting from the RO16, a player would need over a 97% winrate against other RO16 players.
Having now wandered wildly off-topic -- these interviews are always awesome. Are we going to all the groups before group play starts? Except the games are not BO1... + Show Spoiler [for people who are bored (UPDATED)] + Let's say idra has 85% chance to win in all three matchups against any opponent, and 95% chance of advancing to round of 16.
Assuming the tournament is BO5 all the way to the finals (I am ignorant of the format, i'm just doing this to prove a point), you need to win 3 in every BO5
You can win in either 3 games, 4 games or 5 games
Case 1, three games: x ^ 3 = A, P(case 1) = A Case 2, four games: 4C3 * x ^ 3 * (1 - x) - x ^ 3 * (1 - x) = B Case 3, five games: 5C3 * x ^ 3 * (1 - x) ^ 2 - 4C3 x ^ 3 * (1 - x) ^ 2 = C
You add all of those together, you get: P(case 1) = 0.614125 P(case 2) = 0.276 P(case 3) = 0.083
Total = .97
So Idra has 97% chance of winning any BO5
There are 4 BO series (16 - 8 - 4 - 2 -> win), assuming 95% chance of getting into round of 16, the total chance of winning is
.95 * .973 ^ 4 = 85%
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Cambium, your math is wrong as well. Just intuitively, it should be clear if Idra is 85% to win any one game he will be more than 85% to win a Bo5. The full math:
Idra wins in 3: .85^3 = .614 * 1 scenario (WWW) = .614 Idra wins in 4: .85^3*.15 = .092 * 3 scenarios (LWWW, WLWW, WWLW) = .276 Idra wins in 5: .85^3*.15^2 = .013 * 6 scenarios (LLWWW, LWLWW, LWWLW, WLLWW, WLWLW, WWLLW) = .083
So Idra's probability of winning a Bo5 would be .614 + .276 +.083 = .973, a massive 97%. Thus, his probability of winning the tournament would be .95 * .973^4, which comes out to 85%. Still not quite 90%, but very, very high.
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On December 29 2009 09:59 Jaksiel wrote: Idra wins in 3: .85^3 = .614 * 1 scenario (WWW) = .614 Idra wins in 4: .85^3*.15 = .092 * 3 scenarios (LWWW, WLWW, WWLW) = .276 Idra wins in 5: .85^3*.15^2 = .013 * 6 scenarios (LLWWW, LWLWW, LWWLW, WLLWW, WLWLW, WWLLW) = .083
So Idra's probability of winning a Bo5 would be .614 + .276 +.083 = .973, a massive 97%. Thus, his probability of winning the tournament would be .95 * .973^4, which comes out to 85%. Still not quite 90%, but very, very high.
edit: nvm he's right. Overlooked two things.
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The simplest way to do the math I think: find the probability that idra wins at least 3 games out of 5. Don't stop after idra has won 3 times. Obviously they would stop playing after idra wins 3, but this won't overcount anything since all permutations of form WWWxx will be counted. Nothing will be missed since idra can't both win 3 games and lose 3 games out of 5. The probability is what Jaksiel calculated, about 97 and 1/3rd %.
Also of course if he wins 1 game 85% of the time, he wins a BO5 more than 85% of the time. A 15% likely occurance has to happen 3 times out of 5, how could that happen 1-.75 = 1/4th of the time?
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On December 29 2009 10:24 Cambium wrote: if we assume Idra's chance of winning is 100%, your probability exceeds 1 (lol)
Er, no it doesn't. If his chance is 100%, WWW is the only scenario and it has probability 1.
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Yes you are right. Overlooked two things. My apologies.
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Artosis
United States2135 Posts
ACTUALLY,
Nemu is 30% to beat idra.
100% - 30% = 70%
idra has a 70% chance to win tsl2.
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Great interviews, Fuck yeah White Ra
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I have to say go G5, always came off as a cool guy whenever I had the pleasure of having him in a tournament I was hosting.
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Good luck White-Ra! I hope he wins this tournament.He really deserves it. And if he doesn't, he'll kick your ass so you better not cheese him! White-Ra fighting!
Also
+ Show Spoiler + ROFL at the guys making useless calculations to decide Idra's winning chances.
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On December 31 2009 17:31 cestatoi wrote: haha great interviews!
truth
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Ra is awesome
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