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Tournament Roundup - Aug 15-31 2011
September 4th, 2011 00:42 GMT
Results for August 15 – August 31, 2011
Greetings and welcome to International Tournament Roundup! Sick of wading through countless threads, posts, and articles looking for recent SC2 tournament results? The TeamLiquid International Tournament Roundup is the one-stop shop for all of your tournament result needs, and it's coming to you twice each and every month.
Don't be fooled, the GSL is great, but there's a massive amount of talent outside of Korea. These international juggernauts are battling it out in epic games, and in epic tournaments, on a daily basis. After all, these monsters have more than proven that they can compete.
Who's the current top dog outside of Korea?
Please note that if an event is not listed, it is likely because it either didn't make the prizemoney cutoff, or results were simply not properly recorded in public view by tournament administration. Don't blame me, blame the event admins. I can't do their job for them. Thanks!
Featured Events
(Aug 20) XMG Cup Final The 4-part XMG Cup Series concludes at Gamescom, awarding the winner with a stacked laptop! + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 20) 2011 Chinese Battle.net Invitational Blizzard's massive Chinese Blizzcon qualifier, packed with new faces, unique play, and sickmoney! + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 20) Eset Summer Master's 2011 Only the best came out of July's qualifiers, now they clash at Gamescom for a tasty prize. + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 20) Sennheiser Cup Final After a ton of online cups, the top performers face off at Gamescom in a long-awaited finals. + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 21) IEM Global Challenge: Cologne One of SC2's most renowned events puts on perhaps its greatest show yet. + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 28) MLG Pro Circuit 2011: Raleigh The goliath of the international scene, MLG throws down big once again in Raleigh! + Show Spoiler [Results] +
Individual Events
(Aug 20) CG Tournament #4 This seriously prize-heavy Vancouver LAN had steak! And no, not the food! + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 21) TwitchTV Japanese SC2 Community Cup Series This cool little event gives a small glimpse into the mysterious Japanese scene. + Show Spoiler [Results] + MasterGODx - $390 + Prizes nemuke - $195 + Prizes Note: An additional $195+ was paid to 3rd and 4th place finishers, but due to poor coverage I am unaware of the exact player names.
(Aug 24) MSI Pro Cup 8 invitations brought in a stacked European lineup for this beefy little tournament. + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 25) Pokerstrategy.com Community Cup #3 The familiar TSL sponsor hosts a cup not quite as epic as the TSL, but still quite nice! + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 28) MultiPlay UK i43 LAN Coinciding with MLG, this expensive LAN showcased some really strong Euro pros. + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 29) Gigabyte Cup Season 1 Final The recently established Gigabyte Cup wraps up its first season with a mega-sized cup. + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 31) Last Player Standing Open #2 Players from around the world, including... Overthe...wtfwho?! Overtheawesome, it seems. + Show Spoiler [Results] +
Team Events
(Aug 17) vVv's Wednesday Night Starcraft Team vVv continues its challenging trek against Korean team PSW! + Show Spoiler [Results] + PSW(4) - $100 vVv(2)
(Aug 22) Starcraft Gaming League - Season 3 Lesser-known powerhouse teams compete on the big stage in this massive teamleague. + Show Spoiler [Results] + Kiwiclone Army - $?? Think Quick - $?? Infinity Seven - $?? Note: It has come to my attention that the original prize pool for this event was not adhered to.
(Aug 15-31) IPL Team Arena These weekly IGN showmatches pit some of the highest regarded teams against each other. + Show Spoiler [Results] + Reign(5) - $500 x6(2) Reign(5) - $500 vile(0) Fnatic(5) - $900 Reign(4)
Showmatches
(Aug 20) Champion's Trophy Gamescom KotH $1,000 per game KotH style showmatches at Gamescom! + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 21) Complexity's "The V" - Week 24 Eager to prove himself once again, the champion Hawk takes on the beastly Spades ! + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 26) Kas vs. Beastyqt Showmatch! Beastyqt sets off to prove he can compete with with an equally 'beasty' Kas ! + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 30) CatZ vs. Europe - Week 3 CatZ continues his trek across Europe, can he break the 'vs. Region' showmatch curse? + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 15-31) Destiny vs. Korea Showmatch Series Streaming superstar Destiny continues to challenge Koreans, hoping for a repeat performance. + Show Spoiler [Results] +
Recurrent Cups
(Aug 15) Gamecreds Cup #27 + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 15) Gigabyte Cup #10 + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 16) XILENCE Cup #6 + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 18) 4pl.de Close Combat Cup #69 + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 19) HyperCrew Open #25 + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 19) Esmus.net Friday Madness #12 + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 20) TeamLiquid Teamspeak Open #21 + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 20) ZOTAC Cup NA #15 + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 21) Go4SC2 Cup US #83 + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 21) ZOTAC Cup EU #70 + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 22) Gamecreds Cup #28 + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 22) Gigabyte Cup #11 + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 23) XILENCE Cup #7 + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 25) 4pl.de Close Combat Cup #70 + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 25) Stim.tv Open #33 + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 26) Esmus.net Friday Madness #13 + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 27) ZOTAC Cup NA #16 + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 28) SC2SEA Master's Cup #7 + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 28) Go4SC2 Cup US #84 + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 28) Go4SC2 Cup EU #129 + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 28) ZOTAC Cup EU #71 + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 29) Gamecreds Cup #29 + Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Aug 30) XILENCE Cup #8 + Show Spoiler [Results] +
Total Prizemoney: ~$93,497 USD (+ Prizes!)
Top Dog There's a ton of powerhouses in the international scene, but who's this edition's top dog? Let's take a look at which players have posted the most impressive results over the past 2 weeks.
Note: This isn't a simple prize-money or medals ranking. It is based upon a combination of overall player performance, quality of competition, significance of events won, money won, activity, and my most sincere attempt at unbiased subjectivity. It only considers performances in events which concluded within this period.
+ Show Spoiler [Honorable Mentions] + XiGua !! If you didn't happen to catch the Chinese Blizzcon regional qualifiers, it certainly was an interesting glimpse into the Chinese scene. Out of the fray of this event came XiGua, a player who's name you may soon identify as a serious player in the international scene. Luckily, we'll get to see more of him in mid-October at Blizzcon, and perhaps he can show the world that the Chinese SC2 scene is still as powerful as it was in Brood War. Total Prizewinnings: ~$10,000 USD GoOdy !! Rumor has it that if you listed the achievements of GoOdy in a line, it'd wrap around the world. Twice. Maybe that's a slight exaggeration, but this past couple weeks he managed to yet again add to his massive compilation, placing 2nd in the XMG Cup Final, and 1st in the Pokerstrategy Community Cup, a Gigabyte Cup, and a Zotac Cup. Total Prizewinnings: ~$1,435 USD (+Prizes) Stephano !! The wrecking ball continued on his path of destruction, once again proving he's here to stay, and his ELO dominance isn't just a fluke. The young French prodigy showed excellent results in taking 2nd in the Gigabyte Cup Final, 3rd in the Sennheiser Cup Final, and 1st in the MSI Pro Cup. Additionally, despite being eliminated in groups, he ran up an even score at IEM in a group consisting of eventual champion PuMa and 3rd placing MaNa. Total Prizewinnings: ~$2,530 USD (+Prizes) Kas !! Europe's resident monster-Terran showed up in force, placing 2nd in the Gigabyte Cup Final, 2nd in the MSI Pro Cup, and tied for 5th at IEM. He additionally took down the always underrated Beastyqt in an excellent showmatch series. While he didn't manage to take home any golds, Kas raked in a ton of cash in the solid performances he has become well known for. This isn't all though, in perhaps the most under-covered yet biggest Showmatch KotH event to date, Kas slammed his way through the likes of Stephano, mOOnGLaDe, and GSL superstar MC in $1,000 games at Gamescom. The always beastly Ukrainian powerhouse has proven that he hasn't fallen off as one of Europe's premiere Terran players. Total Prizewinnings: ~$5,545 USD (+Prizes)
Third + Show Spoiler [Third] + DIMAGA !! When he's not busy running around and winning massive LAN events, he's perhaps the scariest online cup player there is. DIMAGA crushed a Gamecreds Cup, a Xilence Cup, a Close Combat Cup, and the Gigabyte Cup Final. He also placed 2nd in the Eset Summer Masters, an event in which he qualified for via (you guessed it) an online cup. Total Prizewinnings: ~$1,830 USD (+Prizes)
Runner-Up + Show Spoiler [Runner-Up] + MaNa !! Many of us have known him since the Brood War days, but seriously, what is this kid on?! A switch seems to have gone off in the brain of the Polish Mousesports player, turning him from an amazing player into an absolute wrecking machine. MaNa stormed through the Eset Summer Master's event taking out huge names such as White-Ra, GoOdy, Tarson, and DIMAGA, only dropping a single game in one BO5. More impressively, he was the highest placing non-korean player at IEM, taking 3rd place while impressively defeating mOOnGLaDe(3-1), SaSe(2-0), Stephano(2-1) and eventual Champion PuMa(2-0) on his warpath. Total Prizewinnings: ~$3,186 USD (+Prizes)
Top Dog + Show Spoiler [The Top Dog] + PuMa !! That's right, a Korean. In accordance with the evolving SC2 scene, it's time that the standards of the roundup change as well. Korean players on predominantly Non-Korean teams are now eligible for this ranking. With this, we have PuMa: EG Member, IEM Champion, and MLG 5th place finisher. He 5-0'ed his terrifying group at MLG, and 3-0'ed Socke, Nerchio, and MC on his path to the gold at IEM, a truly impressive run in the two largest recent events. PuMa and other Korean players, such as HerO and Rain, have begun to join international teams and are now a true members of the international scene. These results speak for themselves, and they cannot be denied, because let's face it: PuMa is one of us, and he's the Top Dog! Total Prizewinnings: ~$7,500 USD
Medal Podium
Note: Only players with multiple non-showmatch podium appearances are included.
Next Edition: Mid-September 2011!
Archive
+ Show Spoiler [Archive] +August 1-14, 2011July 15-31, 2011July 1-14, 2011June 15-30, 2011May 16-Jun 14, 2011May 1-15, 2011April 15-30, 2011April 1-14, 2011March 15-31, 2011March 1-14, 2011February 15-28, 2011
Stay tuned for the next edition sometime around the beginning and middle of every month!
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Braavos36362 Posts
I love these posts, reading this stuff always gives me so much info that I didn't know over the last two weeks.
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Sweet, thanks for this! Glad to see Goody and Stephano both still doing well! Super happy that Dimaga is keeping strong after winning Assembly.
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Israel2209 Posts
Simply great. Its literally impossible to keep track of every tournament without these wonderful roundups.
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Sick writeup, always nice to read whats been happening thanks
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Thanks guys. =)
Also, this marks 6 months of roundups, so here's to another 6 months!
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
In the last month Mana has gone from a good player to a GODDAM FUCKING BOSS!>!>!>! Holy moly he is good. EDIT: Awesome roundup, as usual, you guys are awesome for doing this so often, and so well!
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Wow no Nerchio :O Great to see dimaga up there now.
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DEMACIA6550 Posts
On September 04 2011 09:59 Mikilatov wrote:Thanks guys. =) Also, this marks 6 months of roundups, so here's to another 6 months! Good job! keep it up
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On September 04 2011 10:11 nooboon wrote: Wow no Nerchio :O Great to see dimaga up there now.
Yeah Nerchio must have been busy or something, I didn't see his name much of anywhere... And I can only assume that's due to lack of participation, because lack of results isn't really something he's capable of, haha.
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So many tournaments these days. Can't possibly keep track of them all so thanks for writing this.
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the tuornament roundup is always the first thing i look on TL hehe, nice to see so many tuorneys popping and so much cash input into sc2
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These are great - thanks!
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Informative as usual! Thanks for these
EDIT: LOL 2K
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Again you got the wrong Master for SC2SEA Master's Cup #7. If it's that New Zealand MaSteR (who is inactive to play poker atm) it will always be nGenMaSteR, xGKingMaSteR or Soft.
If it just says Master then it's SoulmanfOu the Korean Protoss, as it is in this case!
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On September 04 2011 10:58 deL wrote: Again you got the wrong Master for SC2SEA Master's Cup #7. If it's that New Zealand MaSteR (who is inactive to play poker atm) it will always be nGenMaSteR, xGKingMaSteR or Soft.
If it just says Master then it's SoulmanfOu the Korean Protoss, as it is in this case!
lol, damnit again. Need to get that alias added to TLPD. I always assume it's the nGenMaSteR since it's a SEA cup. Thanks again.
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Another great writeup. Can't believe no news of that $1000 KOTH was mentioned till this. Always looking forward to the next round up.
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Gj, I always look forward to these!
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On September 04 2011 10:20 Mikilatov wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2011 10:11 nooboon wrote: Wow no Nerchio :O Great to see dimaga up there now. Yeah Nerchio must have been busy or something, I didn't see his name much of anywhere... And I can only assume that's due to lack of participation, because lack of results isn't really something he's capable of, haha.
Yeah, lol he was busy winning the TL open XD
(woops srry Tl accidental double-post!!)
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Nice to see Kas back, though its only in the honorable mentions, he is back on track! Also the fact that DIMAGA is performing so well is very nice. Thanks for the write-up!
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Thank you Mikilatov! You're the best <3
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These are great! So hard to keep up with all the tournaments.
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Thanks for the roundup! There's always too many tournaments to keep track of for us normal folk =P
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SGL wasn't $3k+ in prizes, I think it was just some SS gear.
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puma counts? these roundups will be pretty boering from here on...
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On September 04 2011 12:09 Xeris wrote: SGL wasn't $3k+ in prizes, I think it was just some SS gear.
Hrm, apparently they changed the pool at some point then. Thanks for the info.
And if anyone can confirm what exactly happened with this it'd be great.
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thanks again! this is by far my favorite threads on TL
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Yeah these are really great, when I see a player preform bad in the highest mainstream tournament going on at the time I always worry about them, but then I usually see great results from them in these so it reassures me.
THANK YOU :D
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Thank you so much for this!
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Excellent, I am now completely caught up, thanks!
Good to see Dimaga and Mana in the list, hadn't been keeping up as well with the European scene of late as I should have. Too much GSL
Looking forward to the next edition.
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Where is Puma on the medal podium?
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Quick fix here, MaNa didn't 3-0 SeleCT, that was MC....he 3-1 mOOnGLaDe after the group stage
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Wow no nerchio.
+ Show Spoiler +He should be back next time with his yesterdays TLOpen win though
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When Nerchio is on hollidays, the other players are happy =D
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ty for all of this man this is fucking awesome stuff to read! =DDDD
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Whoa! Dimaga dethroning GoOdy in the cups won department! A rivalry, perhaps?
Great fun reading these, roundup
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hah. Was wondering who could have possibly beaten mana. Made pretty perfect sense though. Thanks for the writeup. Love reading this stuff. Dimaga fighting!
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Always like reading this .
Although for the zotac cup #15 it was tsl revival not sterling who won just thought I would point that out .
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On September 04 2011 18:45 blade55555 wrote:Always like reading this . Although for the zotac cup #15 it was tsl revival not sterling who won just thought I would point that out . Oh? The official bracket says Sterling?!
http://sc2na.zotac-cup.com/en/cups/136-zotac-starcraft-ii-na-cup-15
On September 04 2011 16:06 ChemBroTron wrote: Where is Puma on the medal podium? Need multiple medals to show up in the podium.
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On September 04 2011 16:06 ChemBroTron wrote: Where is Puma on the medal podium? As it says in the OP:
Note: Only players with multiple non-showmatch podium appearances are included.
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So if Puma counts because of his team, does that mean Fenix is no longer a foreigner and has joined the ranks of Koreans? Or should we just accept the fact that Koreans and others are mixing a lot more than in BW and not make this distinction. Wouldn't it be easier to just make the tournament roundup everything except GSL?
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Im amazed Kas earned so much loot without even a single 1st place! That champions trophy was a nice earner for him
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On September 04 2011 18:57 Acrofales wrote: So if Puma counts because of his team, does that mean Fenix is no longer a foreigner and has joined the ranks of Koreans? Or should we just accept the fact that Koreans and others are mixing a lot more than in BW and not make this distinction. Wouldn't it be easier to just make the tournament roundup everything except GSL? Trust me when I say it's been thought about a lot. Without getting too deep into it, this was the best solution. Doing everything but Gom Events still creates an issue where it's very difficult to accurately compare the performances of international players to Koreans on Korean teams who swoop in on international events. Essentially, it'd disallow the highlighting of strong international players, as the roundup intends. Players such as Rain, Puma, and HerO have crossed into the realm of being consdiered 'international' with the joining of predominantly non-korean teams.
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Puma first ! the koreans are now dominating non korean events and placing in tournament roundup! they are everywhere!
congrats puma, hope you have a great time with EG!
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It's so cool if you compare the price money of the first Round Ups (10k) with now (between 50k and 100k). ESPORTS
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It just keeps getting better
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Maybe my favourite articles from TL such a nice insight :D
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First time I read The Tournament Roundup. It's very nice, thank you, I will never miss another one.
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go goody, win polarfluke pls!
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"Rumor has it that if you listed the achievements of GoOdy in a line, it'd wrap around the world. Twice."
Since Feb.2011: 22 Gold, 11 Silver, 2 Bronze. Impressive, but not impressive enough to get an invite to NASL 2.
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On September 04 2011 19:09 Mikilatov wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2011 18:57 Acrofales wrote: So if Puma counts because of his team, does that mean Fenix is no longer a foreigner and has joined the ranks of Koreans? Or should we just accept the fact that Koreans and others are mixing a lot more than in BW and not make this distinction. Wouldn't it be easier to just make the tournament roundup everything except GSL? Trust me when I say it's been thought about a lot. Without getting too deep into it, this was the best solution. Doing everything but Gom Events still creates an issue where it's very difficult to accurately compare the performances of international players to Koreans on Korean teams who swoop in on international events. Essentially, it'd disallow the highlighting of strong international players, as the roundup intends. Players such as Rain, Puma, and HerO have crossed into the realm of being consdiered 'international' with the joining of predominantly non-korean teams.
Okay Thanks for your explanation. I'm glad you have thought about it and can explain it: it's not as arbitrary as I thought
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I am always curious why Goody is forever in honorable mention. He wins A LOT of events, he may be the most consistent person on the roundup since it started. He is always piling on the gold and doesn't seem to get much recognition. I think I've only seen him in top dogs once or twice, considering he wins so much. But man I can never find any replays of him, I really want to learn his style but with such limited info it's hard.
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Sorry guys i was on holidays so it's pretty disappointing i am not here but i will be in the next one! :D
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Such amazing work, these posts really are among the top achievements of this site
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Is it possible to start having the tournaments also broken down into a summary of the podium with respect to race?
Such as:
T) 1st 2nd 3rd P) 1st 2nd 3rd Z) 1st 2nd 3rd
I am always curious when I read this thread about that myth of "Terran is dominating in Korea", but I have to dig through each of the spoiler tabs to find the info I want.
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Thank you so much for taking your time writing this. Awesome stuff!
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Nearly 100k without a major season finisher to boister the total prize-pool. o.O
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comment contains spoilers of very recent tournaments
+ Show Spoiler +Good start for Goody in the next Roundup-Season (may I call it like that?)! It's not that much money, but it's still a gold medal in a tournament with players like Sjow, Haypro!
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Tournament roundup : whe we look back at it in several years we will be even more thankfull.
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On September 04 2011 23:51 Reborn8u wrote: I am always curious why Goody is forever in honorable mention. He wins A LOT of events, he may be the most consistent person on the roundup since it started. He is always piling on the gold and doesn't seem to get much recognition. I think I've only seen him in top dogs once or twice, considering he wins so much. But man I can never find any replays of him, I really want to learn his style but with such limited info it's hard. Goody is notorious for going mech every game. His style is very turtle-ish where he will just build up a mech force on 2-3 base and then slow push his way into a contain on the oponent. It's a style that's quite predictable but it gives him great results (Also, it's funny to see goody chill at 120 apm while the oponent is blazing around with 200+)
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great write up ! thank you
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On September 04 2011 23:51 Reborn8u wrote: I am always curious why Goody is forever in honorable mention. He wins A LOT of events, he may be the most consistent person on the roundup since it started. He is always piling on the gold and doesn't seem to get much recognition. I think I've only seen him in top dogs once or twice, considering he wins so much. But man I can never find any replays of him, I really want to learn his style but with such limited info it's hard.
The internet is full of goody replays. PM me if u need a link.
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I don't know if this is shared thing that the staff take turns on, but its really great to see tourney results from all month long, keep it up :D
edit- thanks Mikilatov
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On September 05 2011 07:47 captainwaffles wrote: I don't know if this is shared thing that the staff take turns on, but its really great to see tourney results from all month long, keep it up :D
Nope, this is all Mikilatov. The man deserves some praise for his tireless work putting this together every two weeks.
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OMG IM FAMOUS ETERNAL GLORY IS MINE
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These roundups always get me excited for SC2 for some reason 8D
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On September 05 2011 07:50 Primadog wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 07:47 captainwaffles wrote: I don't know if this is shared thing that the staff take turns on, but its really great to see tourney results from all month long, keep it up :D Nope, this is all Mikilatov. The man deserves some praise for his tireless work putting this together every two weeks.
Heh, thanks PrimaDog<3
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I must say I don't understand what Puma is doing here. Yes, he's in a foreign team but he's not "one of us" as you say in the OP, he was trained in Korea, he's skilled as a top Korean and if you begin to add korean players who attend international events to this ranking, then you have to add all the MVP players (because of CoL-MVP), and actually all those who compete in MLGs, Dreamhacks and other big foreign tourneys.... and you'll have only Koreans in the top-dog section
Still, I love these tournament round-ups, gg for the good work !
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Thanks as always. Great work putting this together and I look forward to it each month
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On September 07 2011 01:08 SolidMustard wrote: I must say I don't understand what Puma is doing here. Yes, he's in a foreign team but he's not "one of us" as you say in the OP, he was trained in Korea, he's skilled as a top Korean and if you begin to add korean players who attend international events to this ranking, then you have to add all the MVP players (because of CoL-MVP), and actually all those who compete in MLGs, Dreamhacks and other big foreign tourneys.... and you'll have only Koreans in the top-dog section
Still, I love these tournament round-ups, gg for the good work !
While I share your concerns, only Koreans who are in predominantly non-Korean teams are being counted. Koreans on Korean teams who simply attend foreign events, or only attend due to a partnership still do not count. This means that CoL-MVP, Ogs players (partnered with Liquid), and FXOKorea players still do not count. At this point it's essentially just Rain/Puma/HerO/Tandongho, I believe.
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On September 04 2011 12:09 Xeris wrote: SGL wasn't $3k+ in prizes, I think it was just some SS gear. Hey, I just wanted to clear this up. SGL Season 3 was supposed to run with 2 divisions, SGL-1 for pro teams and SGL-2 for amateur teams. I took over as the admin for SGL-2, SGL-1 head admin left before it kicked off and it just pretty much fizzled. I ran the rest of division 2 which promised SS gear and have been sent. Sorry about any confusion.
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I love this thread! Why you dont did it this weeks? ( just asking)
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On September 25 2011 19:55 Vira wrote: I love this thread! Why you dont did it this weeks? ( just asking)
Sorry about the hiccup guys, I'm currently moving from Michigan to California so I'll be doing a double-sized roundup at the beginning of October for the missed set!
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