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On April 05 2012 03:21 Catatonic wrote:Violet is sooooooooo good but I think MC will take this though it should be pretty close it finished yesterday + Show Spoiler +
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On April 05 2012 01:15 tranmillitary wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 01:10 Bagi wrote:On April 05 2012 00:58 Zzoram wrote: FF does not remove micro, in fact it forces MORE micro.
Roach burrow move is designed specifically for use against FF. Also, Medivacs can pick up MM to move them behind FF.
We have seen those things be done successfully by good players against FF. There is no equivalent way to get out of a Fungal. Those things usually aren't available when sentries are at their strongest though, in the early game. Strongest? do you know how much gas it cost to get out 4 or 5 sentries?? even with those sentries you got no gas for stalkers or if you go zealots you need the sentries to build up energy. There are plenty of counters. FF can be eliminated by massive units, where as fungel can't. So whats op now? I would like to see you get out ultras early enough to to break those forcefields especially since it's the only zerg unit which is massive (apart from brood lord).
Also, infestor comes out way later than sentries, fungel requires more energy and they cost more gas. Did I mention infestor does not have a base damage? Why compare apples to oranges?
Sentries are in the game like it or not and they are apparently not going anywhere in WoL... Nice fix to the problem would be to remove smart cast from the sentries, but wont happen, and it's not like it's an insta-win unit either... Violet took some bad engagements which allowed MC to force field as good as he did.
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On April 05 2012 03:30 ZpuX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 01:15 tranmillitary wrote:On April 05 2012 01:10 Bagi wrote:On April 05 2012 00:58 Zzoram wrote: FF does not remove micro, in fact it forces MORE micro.
Roach burrow move is designed specifically for use against FF. Also, Medivacs can pick up MM to move them behind FF.
We have seen those things be done successfully by good players against FF. There is no equivalent way to get out of a Fungal. Those things usually aren't available when sentries are at their strongest though, in the early game. Strongest? do you know how much gas it cost to get out 4 or 5 sentries?? even with those sentries you got no gas for stalkers or if you go zealots you need the sentries to build up energy. There are plenty of counters. FF can be eliminated by massive units, where as fungel can't. So whats op now? I would like to see you get out ultras early enough to to break those forcefields especially since it's the only zerg unit which is massive (apart from brood lord). Also, infestor comes out way later than sentries, fungel requires more energy and they cost more gas. Did I mention infestor does not have a base damage? Why compare apples to oranges? Sentries are in the game like it or not and they are apparently not going anywhere in WoL... Nice fix to the problem would be to remove smart cast from the sentries, but wont happen, and it's not like it's an insta-win unit either... Violet took some bad engagements which allowed MC to force field as good as he did.
The whole FF vs Fungal started coz some zerg whined about FF. Fungal not only keeps units from moving but also does damage. Not to mention that the same unit can spam supply-free high dps units.
At the end of the day, they are apples and oranges, but in this case the apple taste better than orange (assuming apple is the fungal)
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And I was thinking how a protoss of MC's level will deal with the Stephano-style max with roaches on 12-14 mins that looks so unbeatable in ZvP recently, but MC just smashed Violet into 5 different pieces. Granted Violet didn't do it enough, only once on Tal Darim but MC hold it so beautifully it brought a tear to my eyes. Still think Violet could have forced the issue though in that game but whatever, gogo Obamatoss MC MC MC!!
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On April 05 2012 21:49 elwoodng wrote: And I was thinking how a protoss of MC's level will deal with the Stephano-style max with roaches on 12-14 mins that looks so unbeatable in ZvP recently, but MC just smashed Violet into 5 different pieces. Granted Violet didn't do it enough, only once on Tal Darim but MC hold it so beautifully it brought a tear to my eyes. Still think Violet could have forced the issue though in that game but whatever, gogo Obamatoss MC MC MC!! MC crushes Stephano when they play. 5-0 since blizzcup and it's not even close. Basically I don't see any zerg but DRG or Nestea beating MC regularly.
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On April 05 2012 21:49 elwoodng wrote: And I was thinking how a protoss of MC's level will deal with the Stephano-style max with roaches on 12-14 mins that looks so unbeatable in ZvP recently, but MC just smashed Violet into 5 different pieces. Granted Violet didn't do it enough, only once on Tal Darim but MC hold it so beautifully it brought a tear to my eyes. Still think Violet could have forced the issue though in that game but whatever, gogo Obamatoss MC MC MC!!
MC is undefeated against Stephano.
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On April 06 2012 06:27 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 21:49 elwoodng wrote: And I was thinking how a protoss of MC's level will deal with the Stephano-style max with roaches on 12-14 mins that looks so unbeatable in ZvP recently, but MC just smashed Violet into 5 different pieces. Granted Violet didn't do it enough, only once on Tal Darim but MC hold it so beautifully it brought a tear to my eyes. Still think Violet could have forced the issue though in that game but whatever, gogo Obamatoss MC MC MC!! MC crushes Stephano when they play. 5-0 since blizzcup and it's not even close. Basically I don't see any zerg but DRG or Nestea beating MC regularly.
DRG doesn't even beat MC regularly anyway. I don't know for sure, but I think the score between them isn't one sided but of course, i only watch the GSL and GSL related events.
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On April 06 2012 06:34 ma70 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 06:27 tdt wrote:On April 05 2012 21:49 elwoodng wrote: And I was thinking how a protoss of MC's level will deal with the Stephano-style max with roaches on 12-14 mins that looks so unbeatable in ZvP recently, but MC just smashed Violet into 5 different pieces. Granted Violet didn't do it enough, only once on Tal Darim but MC hold it so beautifully it brought a tear to my eyes. Still think Violet could have forced the issue though in that game but whatever, gogo Obamatoss MC MC MC!! MC crushes Stephano when they play. 5-0 since blizzcup and it's not even close. Basically I don't see any zerg but DRG or Nestea beating MC regularly. DRG doesn't even beat MC regularly anyway. I don't know for sure, but I think the score between them isn't one sided but of course, i only watch the GSL and GSL related events. It's like 7-4 in DRG favor. Nestea hardly ever loses to protoss and is 2-0 vs MC.
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On April 06 2012 06:39 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 06:34 ma70 wrote:On April 06 2012 06:27 tdt wrote:On April 05 2012 21:49 elwoodng wrote: And I was thinking how a protoss of MC's level will deal with the Stephano-style max with roaches on 12-14 mins that looks so unbeatable in ZvP recently, but MC just smashed Violet into 5 different pieces. Granted Violet didn't do it enough, only once on Tal Darim but MC hold it so beautifully it brought a tear to my eyes. Still think Violet could have forced the issue though in that game but whatever, gogo Obamatoss MC MC MC!! MC crushes Stephano when they play. 5-0 since blizzcup and it's not even close. Basically I don't see any zerg but DRG or Nestea beating MC regularly. DRG doesn't even beat MC regularly anyway. I don't know for sure, but I think the score between them isn't one sided but of course, i only watch the GSL and GSL related events. It's like 7-4 in DRG favor. Nestea hardly ever loses to protoss and is 2-0 vs MC.
I believe MC beat Nestea when GSL was BO1
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