On May 30 2012 01:44 Benjamin99 wrote:
You cant not overhype one of the best players in the world. Its like saying DRG and MVP are overhyped. I felt he should have won this tournament but MC got him congratz to MC.
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On May 29 2012 10:13 Shaddar wrote:
Half the reason people do that is because he keeps getting massively overhyped, 35% of people picked him to win this tourney, compared to 11% for MC...and I'll bet if he was Korean there's no way he would have been seen as the favourite to win
On May 29 2012 04:44 revel8 wrote:
And those people are rightly mocked. As are those who continue to attempt to belittle Stephano's abilities.
On May 29 2012 04:43 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
erm there's people out there who still maintain that MC is bad (after $250,000 and some 6+ major LAN wins). He gets it far worse than Stephano.
On May 29 2012 04:38 revel8 wrote:
No. People would not hate on him for stupid reasons. They would not ignore his extraordinary level of consistency. They would not make excuses for his opponents when he beats them. They would not go through extraordinary lengths to attempt to belittle his achievements.
On May 29 2012 04:35 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
If Stephano was Korean people would just see him as a Jjakji/Alive type player. i.e a solid Code S guy who on his day can win a major tournament but not in the MMA/MVP/MKP/DRG/MC level of constant success.
On May 29 2012 04:26 revel8 wrote:
If Stephano was Korean, you would not have people attempting to constantly discredit his achievements.
For example, poster writes Stephano struggles against Korean Protoss, then this becomes Parting is not very good at PvZ, then becomes Squirtle does not care about the $3000 at stake in matches against Stephano!
I guess the haters have moved on from claiming Stephano being French stops him from being a successful pro-gamer. Haha.
On May 29 2012 04:16 jj33 wrote:
you're missing the point.
everybody knows Stephano is good. what he's saying is if Stephano was Korean, he'd just be another really good Korean player. but since he's a foreigner he gets that extra foreigner bias and hype.
On May 29 2012 03:50 tdt wrote:
I doubt it. Even Korean pros think he's fantastic. Sure he may not win but you can't win them all in SC2. Game has never had anyone people just say they are impossible to beat yet like in BW but he's near top of players who can win any matchup.
On May 29 2012 02:17 Kkxtrouble wrote:
Some people seen to think that Stephano is some kind of SC2 god. Were he Korean things would be different.
Some people seen to think that Stephano is some kind of SC2 god. Were he Korean things would be different.
I doubt it. Even Korean pros think he's fantastic. Sure he may not win but you can't win them all in SC2. Game has never had anyone people just say they are impossible to beat yet like in BW but he's near top of players who can win any matchup.
you're missing the point.
everybody knows Stephano is good. what he's saying is if Stephano was Korean, he'd just be another really good Korean player. but since he's a foreigner he gets that extra foreigner bias and hype.
If Stephano was Korean, you would not have people attempting to constantly discredit his achievements.
For example, poster writes Stephano struggles against Korean Protoss, then this becomes Parting is not very good at PvZ, then becomes Squirtle does not care about the $3000 at stake in matches against Stephano!
I guess the haters have moved on from claiming Stephano being French stops him from being a successful pro-gamer. Haha.
If Stephano was Korean people would just see him as a Jjakji/Alive type player. i.e a solid Code S guy who on his day can win a major tournament but not in the MMA/MVP/MKP/DRG/MC level of constant success.
No. People would not hate on him for stupid reasons. They would not ignore his extraordinary level of consistency. They would not make excuses for his opponents when he beats them. They would not go through extraordinary lengths to attempt to belittle his achievements.
erm there's people out there who still maintain that MC is bad (after $250,000 and some 6+ major LAN wins). He gets it far worse than Stephano.
And those people are rightly mocked. As are those who continue to attempt to belittle Stephano's abilities.
Half the reason people do that is because he keeps getting massively overhyped, 35% of people picked him to win this tourney, compared to 11% for MC...and I'll bet if he was Korean there's no way he would have been seen as the favourite to win
You cant not overhype one of the best players in the world. Its like saying DRG and MVP are overhyped. I felt he should have won this tournament but MC got him congratz to MC.
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On May 29 2012 20:24 revel8 wrote:
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On May 29 2012 10:13 Shaddar wrote:
Half the reason people do that is because he keeps getting massively overhyped, 35% of people picked him to win this tourney, compared to 11% for MC...and I'll bet if he was Korean there's no way he would have been seen as the favourite to win
On May 29 2012 04:44 revel8 wrote:
And those people are rightly mocked. As are those who continue to attempt to belittle Stephano's abilities.
On May 29 2012 04:43 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
erm there's people out there who still maintain that MC is bad (after $250,000 and some 6+ major LAN wins). He gets it far worse than Stephano.
On May 29 2012 04:38 revel8 wrote:
No. People would not hate on him for stupid reasons. They would not ignore his extraordinary level of consistency. They would not make excuses for his opponents when he beats them. They would not go through extraordinary lengths to attempt to belittle his achievements.
On May 29 2012 04:35 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
If Stephano was Korean people would just see him as a Jjakji/Alive type player. i.e a solid Code S guy who on his day can win a major tournament but not in the MMA/MVP/MKP/DRG/MC level of constant success.
On May 29 2012 04:26 revel8 wrote:
If Stephano was Korean, you would not have people attempting to constantly discredit his achievements.
For example, poster writes Stephano struggles against Korean Protoss, then this becomes Parting is not very good at PvZ, then becomes Squirtle does not care about the $3000 at stake in matches against Stephano!
I guess the haters have moved on from claiming Stephano being French stops him from being a successful pro-gamer. Haha.
On May 29 2012 04:16 jj33 wrote:
you're missing the point.
everybody knows Stephano is good. what he's saying is if Stephano was Korean, he'd just be another really good Korean player. but since he's a foreigner he gets that extra foreigner bias and hype.
On May 29 2012 03:50 tdt wrote:
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I doubt it. Even Korean pros think he's fantastic. Sure he may not win but you can't win them all in SC2. Game has never had anyone people just say they are impossible to beat yet like in BW but he's near top of players who can win any matchup.
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I doubt it. Even Korean pros think he's fantastic. Sure he may not win but you can't win them all in SC2. Game has never had anyone people just say they are impossible to beat yet like in BW but he's near top of players who can win any matchup.
you're missing the point.
everybody knows Stephano is good. what he's saying is if Stephano was Korean, he'd just be another really good Korean player. but since he's a foreigner he gets that extra foreigner bias and hype.
If Stephano was Korean, you would not have people attempting to constantly discredit his achievements.
For example, poster writes Stephano struggles against Korean Protoss, then this becomes Parting is not very good at PvZ, then becomes Squirtle does not care about the $3000 at stake in matches against Stephano!
I guess the haters have moved on from claiming Stephano being French stops him from being a successful pro-gamer. Haha.
If Stephano was Korean people would just see him as a Jjakji/Alive type player. i.e a solid Code S guy who on his day can win a major tournament but not in the MMA/MVP/MKP/DRG/MC level of constant success.
No. People would not hate on him for stupid reasons. They would not ignore his extraordinary level of consistency. They would not make excuses for his opponents when he beats them. They would not go through extraordinary lengths to attempt to belittle his achievements.
erm there's people out there who still maintain that MC is bad (after $250,000 and some 6+ major LAN wins). He gets it far worse than Stephano.
And those people are rightly mocked. As are those who continue to attempt to belittle Stephano's abilities.
Half the reason people do that is because he keeps getting massively overhyped, 35% of people picked him to win this tourney, compared to 11% for MC...and I'll bet if he was Korean there's no way he would have been seen as the favourite to win
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I disagree about the reasoning. Stephano has had people scoffing at his potential since he became a Pro. There was a thread about his ladder run in EU. Haters scoffed at him and said he would get owned at LANS. He won IPL3 and the haters said he only won because his opponents were unprepared for his style. He struggled against Korean Terrans at MLG and the haters said he has been found out by the opponents he beat a week or so before at IPL3. He won ESWC and the haters said that he would be found out soon. He went to Korea for Blizzard Cup and within a week had smashed into the Korean GM Ladder beating ForGG, Sage, Bomber repeatedly. Haters said ladder does not matter and that Koreans are not playing those games to win because they are saving their strategies for LANS. They said he would get owned at Blizzard Cup. He went 2-2 at Blizzard Cup and went out despite having the same score as MC (due to the head-to-head). Haters said he only beat Hero because Hero was having an off-day - clearly untrue. Whenever Stephano beats a Korean his bashers make attempts to belittle this achievement by disrespecting these opponents. Oh Bomber is not very good, Puma is average, Polt is just OK, JYP is not so good, Ryung is no good etc. No-one else gets this level of disrespect. When Jjakji rose to win GSL did haters slag off the opponents he defeated? Did people disrespect DRG's opponents last year?
Stephano has not gone away, he has improved during 2012. The haters have been embarrassed by their predictions of his failure being wide of the mark and yet some are still clinging to them despite the ever-growing evidence that Stephano is actually pretty good at SC2. Now they are reduced to saying he will fail in GSL due to the preparations aspect or that DRG is still better at ZvP in an attempt to put down Stephano. They should try and be objective and acknowledge that their intial doubts have been proven unfounded. Haters should just hold up their hands and admit they were wrong in their predictions about Stephano being a flash in the pan.
SC2 has only been around for a few years, but already we can see new players have emerged during that time. During Beta no-one had heard of DRG, Stephano, Jjakji, Squirtle or Bomber. It was all about Tester, Fruitdealer, Idra and MakaPrime. The players at the top have changed somewhat although some players like MC and MKP have endured. Some players have risen and some players have fallen. Even the game has changed, with new maps and new patches and a new meta-game.
Stephano gets a lot of attention and hype because he is a Foreigner tearing up the scene. If there were other Foreigners doing this to the same extent, then this attention would be shared. So it is up to other players to raise their game. Maybe Thorzain, Ret, Mana, Sheth or Illusion could go up a gear. Who knows? I don't know the future, but I do know that if someone I had not anticipated started doing really well, I would not ignore the evidence and bash them due to outdated predictions.
Stephano is good for the foreign SC2 scene. He gives hope to other Foreign pros and his popularity helps sustain Foreign Tournaments. Even if you don't like him personally, that should be acknowledged. Of course some want the Foreign scene to die. Not me. I think it is great having IPL, MLG, DreamHack, IronSquid, IEM, Assembly etc plus all the numerous mini-tournaments. It is my understanding that Boxer's popularity helped establish the BW scene in Korea. If Stephano's popularity can help establish a sustaining SC2 Foreign Scene then that is certainly a good thing. I am not crediting Stephano with being the Foreign Boxer of SC2, but if the Foreign Scene becomes sustaining and growing in popularity then all SC2 pros and fans will benefit. Stephano is helping with that.
Stephano has not gone away, he has improved during 2012. The haters have been embarrassed by their predictions of his failure being wide of the mark and yet some are still clinging to them despite the ever-growing evidence that Stephano is actually pretty good at SC2. Now they are reduced to saying he will fail in GSL due to the preparations aspect or that DRG is still better at ZvP in an attempt to put down Stephano. They should try and be objective and acknowledge that their intial doubts have been proven unfounded. Haters should just hold up their hands and admit they were wrong in their predictions about Stephano being a flash in the pan.
SC2 has only been around for a few years, but already we can see new players have emerged during that time. During Beta no-one had heard of DRG, Stephano, Jjakji, Squirtle or Bomber. It was all about Tester, Fruitdealer, Idra and MakaPrime. The players at the top have changed somewhat although some players like MC and MKP have endured. Some players have risen and some players have fallen. Even the game has changed, with new maps and new patches and a new meta-game.
Stephano gets a lot of attention and hype because he is a Foreigner tearing up the scene. If there were other Foreigners doing this to the same extent, then this attention would be shared. So it is up to other players to raise their game. Maybe Thorzain, Ret, Mana, Sheth or Illusion could go up a gear. Who knows? I don't know the future, but I do know that if someone I had not anticipated started doing really well, I would not ignore the evidence and bash them due to outdated predictions.
Stephano is good for the foreign SC2 scene. He gives hope to other Foreign pros and his popularity helps sustain Foreign Tournaments. Even if you don't like him personally, that should be acknowledged. Of course some want the Foreign scene to die. Not me. I think it is great having IPL, MLG, DreamHack, IronSquid, IEM, Assembly etc plus all the numerous mini-tournaments. It is my understanding that Boxer's popularity helped establish the BW scene in Korea. If Stephano's popularity can help establish a sustaining SC2 Foreign Scene then that is certainly a good thing. I am not crediting Stephano with being the Foreign Boxer of SC2, but if the Foreign Scene becomes sustaining and growing in popularity then all SC2 pros and fans will benefit. Stephano is helping with that.
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People in polls do not especially overhype Stephano but foreigners in general imo. It is useless to bash the foreign players or the community for that. If you don't like that, maybe you could try to implement a betting system with money or points and this biais would probably disappear.