Lorning
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Wednesday, Jan 24 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00) 2018 Global StarCraft II League Season 1/Code S Twitch GSL |
Afreeca GSL Casters: Tasteless |
Artosis Dark vs
Trust ByuN vs
Trap + Show Spoiler [Spoiler-Free] + + Show Spoiler [Overall Results] + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [Dark vs Trust] + Poll: Recommend Dark vs Trust Game 1? Meh Game (4)
67%
Good Game (1)
17%
Bad Game (1)
17%
Best Game Ever (0)
0%
Decent Game (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Dark vs Trust Game 1?
(Vote ): Best Game Ever (Vote ): Good Game (Vote ): Decent Game (Vote ): Meh Game (Vote ): Bad Game
Poll: Recommend Dark vs Trust Game 2? Decent Game (4)
67%
Good Game (1)
17%
Meh Game (1)
17%
Best Game Ever (0)
0%
Bad Game (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Dark vs Trust Game 2?
(Vote ): Best Game Ever (Vote ): Good Game (Vote ): Decent Game (Vote ): Meh Game (Vote ): Bad Game
Poll: Recommend Dark vs Trust Game 3? Best Game Ever (3)
38%
Good Game (2)
25%
Meh Game (2)
25%
Decent Game (1)
13%
Bad Game (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Dark vs Trust Game 3?
(Vote ): Best Game Ever (Vote ): Good Game (Vote ): Decent Game (Vote ): Meh Game (Vote ): Bad Game
+ Show Spoiler [ByuN vs Trap] + Poll: Recommend ByuN vs Trap Game 1? Best Game Ever (7)
54%
Good Game (2)
15%
Meh Game (2)
15%
Bad Game (2)
15%
Decent Game (0)
0%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend ByuN vs Trap Game 1?
(Vote ): Best Game Ever (Vote ): Good Game (Vote ): Decent Game (Vote ): Meh Game (Vote ): Bad Game
Poll: Recommend ByuN vs Trap Game 2? Good Game (11)
92%
Decent Game (1)
8%
Best Game Ever (0)
0%
Meh Game (0)
0%
Bad Game (0)
0%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend ByuN vs Trap Game 2?
(Vote ): Best Game Ever (Vote ): Good Game (Vote ): Decent Game (Vote ): Meh Game (Vote ): Bad Game
Poll: Recommend ByuN vs Trap Game 3? Decent Game (3)
60%
Good Game (1)
20%
Meh Game (1)
20%
Best Game Ever (0)
0%
Bad Game (0)
0%
5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend ByuN vs Trap Game 3?
(Vote ): Best Game Ever (Vote ): Good Game (Vote ): Decent Game (Vote ): Meh Game (Vote ): Bad Game
+ Show Spoiler [Winners Match] + Poll: Recommend Winners Match Game 1? Good Game (12)
86%
Meh Game (2)
14%
Best Game Ever (0)
0%
Decent Game (0)
0%
Bad Game (0)
0%
14 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners Match Game 1?
(Vote ): Best Game Ever (Vote ): Good Game (Vote ): Decent Game (Vote ): Meh Game (Vote ): Bad Game
Poll: Recommend Winners Match Game 2? Meh Game (5)
63%
Decent Game (1)
13%
Good Game (1)
13%
Bad Game (1)
13%
Best Game Ever (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners Match Game 2?
(Vote ): Best Game Ever (Vote ): Good Game (Vote ): Decent Game (Vote ): Meh Game (Vote ): Bad Game
Poll: Recommend Winners Match Game 3? Good Game (9)
69%
Decent Game (2)
15%
Best Game Ever (1)
8%
Meh Game (1)
8%
Bad Game (0)
0%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners Match Game 3?
(Vote ): Best Game Ever (Vote ): Good Game (Vote ): Decent Game (Vote ): Meh Game (Vote ): Bad Game
+ Show Spoiler [Losers Match] + Poll: Recommend Losers Match Game 1? Good Game (6)
60%
Decent Game (3)
30%
Meh Game (1)
10%
Best Game Ever (0)
0%
Bad Game (0)
0%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers Match Game 1?
(Vote ): Best Game Ever (Vote ): Good Game (Vote ): Decent Game (Vote ): Meh Game (Vote ): Bad Game
Poll: Recommend Losers Match Game 2? Meh Game (2)
50%
Decent Game (1)
25%
Good Game (1)
25%
Best Game Ever (0)
0%
Bad Game (0)
0%
4 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers Match Game 2?
(Vote ): Best Game Ever (Vote ): Good Game (Vote ): Decent Game (Vote ): Meh Game (Vote ): Bad Game
Poll: Recommend Losers Match Game 3? Decent Game (2)
67%
Meh Game (1)
33%
Best Game Ever (0)
0%
Good Game (0)
0%
Bad Game (0)
0%
3 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers Match Game 3?
(Vote ): Best Game Ever (Vote ): Good Game (Vote ): Decent Game (Vote ): Meh Game (Vote ): Bad Game
+ Show Spoiler [Final Match] + Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 1? Good Game (15)
94%
Decent Game (1)
6%
Best Game Ever (0)
0%
Meh Game (0)
0%
Bad Game (0)
0%
16 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 1?
(Vote ): Best Game Ever (Vote ): Good Game (Vote ): Decent Game (Vote ): Meh Game (Vote ): Bad Game
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 2? Good Game (5)
42%
Meh Game (3)
25%
Bad Game (3)
25%
Decent Game (1)
8%
Best Game Ever (0)
0%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
(Vote ): Best Game Ever (Vote ): Good Game (Vote ): Decent Game (Vote ): Meh Game (Vote ): Bad Game
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 3? Decent Game (3)
43%
Good Game (2)
29%
Best Game Ever (1)
14%
Bad Game (1)
14%
Meh Game (0)
0%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
(Vote ): Best Game Ever (Vote ): Good Game (Vote ): Decent Game (Vote ): Meh Game (Vote ): Bad Game
Lorning
Belgica 34430 Posts
Poll: Head? Dark & ByuN (7)
54%
Dark & Trap (6)
46%
Dark & Trust (0)
0%
Trust & ByuN (0)
0%
Trust & Trap (0)
0%
ByuN & Trap (0)
0%
13 total votes
Your vote: Head?
(Vote ): Dark & Trust (Vote ): Dark & ByuN (Vote ): Dark & Trap (Vote ): Trust & ByuN (Vote ): Trust & Trap (Vote ): ByuN & Trap
Poll: Heart? Dark & ByuN (5)
45%
Dark & Trap (4)
36%
Trust & Trap (1)
9%
ByuN & Trap (1)
9%
Dark & Trust (0)
0%
Trust & ByuN (0)
0%
11 total votes
Your vote: Heart?
(Vote ): Dark & Trust (Vote ): Dark & ByuN (Vote ): Dark & Trap (Vote ): Trust & ByuN (Vote ): Trust & Trap (Vote ): ByuN & Trap
Artosis "this is probably a safety warren" This is Dark bro
Lorning
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Go ByuN
Lorning
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pls votePoll: Recommend Dark vs Trust Game 1? Meh Game (4)
67%
Good Game (1)
17%
Bad Game (1)
17%
Best Game Ever (0)
0%
Decent Game (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Dark vs Trust Game 1?
(Vote ): Best Game Ever (Vote ): Good Game (Vote ): Decent Game (Vote ): Meh Game (Vote ): Bad Game
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The only moment when I choose the Dark side of the force Go, Dark, go!
Lorning with the old school passionate LR thread
On January 24 2018 18:42 Durnuu wrote: Artosis "this is probably a safety warren" This is Dark bro
Victory warren
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On January 24 2018 18:45 Durnuu wrote: Lorning with the old school passionate LR thread
I woke up 3 minutes before it began and I didn't see a thread. It was a sign
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On January 24 2018 18:45 ByuuN wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 18:42 Durnuu wrote: Artosis "this is probably a safety warren" This is Dark bro
Victory warren
Nah, it was a true safety warren. The warren saved him the game. The prophet Mondragon showed the way and Dark listened
On January 24 2018 18:46 Lorning wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 18:45 Durnuu wrote: Lorning with the old school passionate LR thread
I woke up 3 minutes before it began and I didn't see a thread.
It was a sign
Thanks! Nice with the head/heart votes.
Lorning
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Someone please fill me in: is Dark still the best Z or is it Roguejwa now?
Lorning
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Hmm, threw away a lot there
On January 24 2018 18:50 Lorning wrote: Someone please fill me in: is Dark still the best Z or is it Roguejwa now?
Dark all the way baby, Rogue is a patchzerg
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On January 24 2018 18:52 Durnuu wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 18:50 Lorning wrote: Someone please fill me in: is Dark still the best Z or is it Roguejwa now?
Dark all the way baby, Rogue is a patchzerg
Nah, Rogue is just still drunk He's following the Classic path. Win a big tourney, lose in GSL RO32 group. Classic made it better, won GSL, failed in the next one few weeks after
Lorning, Wednesday the 24th not Saturday you silly sausage!.
Lorning
Belgica 34430 Posts
Poll: Recommend Dark vs Trust Game 2? Decent Game (4)
67%
Good Game (1)
17%
Meh Game (1)
17%
Best Game Ever (0)
0%
Bad Game (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Dark vs Trust Game 2?
(Vote ): Best Game Ever (Vote ): Good Game (Vote ): Decent Game (Vote ): Meh Game (Vote ): Bad Game
Poll: Recommend Dark vs Trust Game 3? Best Game Ever (3)
38%
Good Game (2)
25%
Meh Game (2)
25%
Decent Game (1)
13%
Bad Game (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Dark vs Trust Game 3?
(Vote ): Best Game Ever (Vote ): Good Game (Vote ): Decent Game (Vote ): Meh Game (Vote ): Bad Game
On January 24 2018 18:50 Lorning wrote: Someone please fill me in: is Dark still the best Z or is it Roguejwa now?
soO is the best zerg.
On January 24 2018 18:50 Lorning wrote: Someone please fill me in: is Dark still the best Z or is it Roguejwa now?
Dark is best vs terran. soO is best vs protoss. ZvZ is random. Rogue is a patchzerg.
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On January 24 2018 18:58 DSK wrote: Lorning, Wednesday the 24th not Saturday you silly sausage!.
Wrong year (2015)
Lorning
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On January 24 2018 18:59 DBooN wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 18:50 Lorning wrote: Someone please fill me in: is Dark still the best Z or is it Roguejwa now?
soO is the best zerg.
who
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On January 24 2018 19:00 Fango wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 18:50 Lorning wrote: Someone please fill me in: is Dark still the best Z or is it Roguejwa now?
Dark is best vs terran. soO is best vs protoss. ZvZ is random. Rogue is a
patchzerg .
Back in my day that word got you banned
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On January 24 2018 19:03 Lorning wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 19:00 Fango wrote: On January 24 2018 18:50 Lorning wrote: Someone please fill me in: is Dark still the best Z or is it Roguejwa now?
Dark is best vs terran. soO is best vs protoss. ZvZ is random. Rogue is a
patchzerg .
Back in my day that word got you banned
It's Mizenhauzer's fault. (or however is he written)
hahahahaha, sick proxy spot
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Shield battery proxy, that's a very bad build.
Best micro in history boys.
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On January 24 2018 19:11 Phredxor wrote: Best micro in history boys.
Top 3 micro!
Lorning
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No comment
This cheese is $@%!ing retarded.
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Poll: Recommend ByuN vs Trap Game 1? Best Game Ever (7)
54%
Good Game (2)
15%
Meh Game (2)
15%
Bad Game (2)
15%
Decent Game (0)
0%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend ByuN vs Trap Game 1?
(Vote ): Best Game Ever (Vote ): Good Game (Vote ): Decent Game (Vote ): Meh Game (Vote ): Bad Game
France 12466 Posts
I don't know if it's the map or the other way around but this is a bit broken
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On January 24 2018 19:12 ByuuN wrote: This cheese is $@%!ing retarded.
You should have scouted it :D :D :D
On January 24 2018 19:13 deacon.frost wrote: You should have scouted it
:D :D :D
On these maps you have to scout for proxy voidray. It's such a popular build there's no excuse not to
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On January 24 2018 19:14 Fango wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 19:13 deacon.frost wrote: On January 24 2018 19:12 ByuuN wrote: This cheese is $@%!ing retarded.
You should have scouted it
:D :D :D
On these maps you have to scout for proxy voidray. It's such a popular build there's no excuse not to
He missed it with few pixels. It's just a bad luck. Unscouted it's a BO win(or BO loss, depending on the view). It's similar to the old PvP, when some builds simply hardcountered other builds.
On January 24 2018 19:16 deacon.frost wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 19:14 Fango wrote: On January 24 2018 19:13 deacon.frost wrote: On January 24 2018 19:12 ByuuN wrote: This cheese is $@%!ing retarded.
You should have scouted it
:D :D :D
On these maps you have to scout for proxy voidray. It's such a popular build there's no excuse not to
He missed it with few pixels. It's just a bad luck. Unscouted it's a BO win(or BO loss, depending on the view). It's similar to the old PvP, when some builds simply hardcountered other builds.
You can put the stargate anywhere above the main, ByuN just didn't scout properly. Bad luck is where you scout the whole area but miss a few pixels, ByuN only scouted a few pixels
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On January 24 2018 19:19 Fango wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 19:16 deacon.frost wrote: On January 24 2018 19:14 Fango wrote: On January 24 2018 19:13 deacon.frost wrote: On January 24 2018 19:12 ByuuN wrote: This cheese is $@%!ing retarded.
You should have scouted it
:D :D :D
On these maps you have to scout for proxy voidray. It's such a popular build there's no excuse not to
He missed it with few pixels. It's just a bad luck. Unscouted it's a BO win(or BO loss, depending on the view). It's similar to the old PvP, when some builds simply hardcountered other builds.
You can put the stargate anywhere above the main, ByuN just didn't scout properly. Bad luck is where you scout the whole area but miss a few pixels, ByuN only scouted a few pixels
Maybe ByuN knew how Trap is playing this andk nows the place of the proxy but still missed it with a minor missclick? Anyway, yeah, should have scouted, we agree on that part
Got to love that widow mine friendly fire
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Did you know Byun has good control?
Byun unburrowed the mines..
On January 24 2018 19:27 Olli wrote: Did you know Byun has good control?
Not one mention of the fact that he can't split though :D
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Famous micro, leaving his medivacs behind above the archons so they all die
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On January 24 2018 19:28 Durnuu wrote: Not one mention of the fact that he can't split though :D
He can and he does it well
It takes perfect control to lose that many medivacs.
Byun looks clueless and Trap pretty solid, I almost forgot how it feels to lose a lb
That was an amazing game by Trap
I just can't believe the greatest micro player of all time would lose to Trap. Buff reapers maybe?
Lorning
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Poll: Recommend ByuN vs Trap Game 2? Good Game (11)
92%
Decent Game (1)
8%
Best Game Ever (0)
0%
Meh Game (0)
0%
Bad Game (0)
0%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend ByuN vs Trap Game 2?
(Vote ): Best Game Ever (Vote ): Good Game (Vote ): Decent Game (Vote ): Meh Game (Vote ): Bad Game
Poll: Recommend ByuN vs Trap Game 3? Decent Game (3)
60%
Good Game (1)
20%
Meh Game (1)
20%
Best Game Ever (0)
0%
Bad Game (0)
0%
5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend ByuN vs Trap Game 3?
(Vote ): Best Game Ever (Vote ): Good Game (Vote ): Decent Game (Vote ): Meh Game (Vote ): Bad Game
Beginning of the end. Byun 100 supply down. I dunno Tasteless.
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On January 24 2018 19:31 Phredxor wrote: I just can't believe the greatest micro player of all time would lose to Trap. Buff reapers maybe?
Buff micro! (and FFS don't pull boys against archons)
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On January 24 2018 19:31 Phredxor wrote: I just can't believe the greatest micro player of all time would lose to Trap. Buff reapers maybe?
We just have to wait for 29th of january iirc
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What am I listening to? Me do like!
It's obvious that no way terran could beat that protoss army without committing more.
On January 24 2018 19:32 Poopi wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 19:31 Phredxor wrote: I just can't believe the greatest micro player of all time would lose to Trap. Buff reapers maybe?
We just have to wait for 29th of january iirc
Is that when Byun is going to try to play well again?
On January 24 2018 19:34 deacon.frost wrote: What am I listening to? Me do like!
Shazam is essential to watching GSLVIDEO
On January 24 2018 19:36 Fyzar wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 19:32 Poopi wrote: On January 24 2018 19:31 Phredxor wrote: I just can't believe the greatest micro player of all time would lose to Trap. Buff reapers maybe?
We just have to wait for 29th of january iirc
Is that when Byun is going to try to play well again?
It's when ByuN can finally go back to his true nature : that of a patchterran
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On January 24 2018 19:36 Fyzar wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 19:32 Poopi wrote: On January 24 2018 19:31 Phredxor wrote: I just can't believe the greatest micro player of all time would lose to Trap. Buff reapers maybe?
We just have to wait for 29th of january iirc
Is that when Byun is going to try to play well again?
He played really well ^^ That's when the patch hits afaik
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That explains why I loved it, not how I missed the release. I'm so bad in following. Thanks!
On January 24 2018 19:32 Phredxor wrote: Beginning of the end. Byun 100 supply down. I dunno Tasteless.
Yeah, he always says that when it's the end of the end and the game is basically over.
On January 24 2018 19:37 Poopi wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 19:36 Fyzar wrote: On January 24 2018 19:32 Poopi wrote: On January 24 2018 19:31 Phredxor wrote: I just can't believe the greatest micro player of all time would lose to Trap. Buff reapers maybe?
We just have to wait for 29th of january iirc
Is that when Byun is going to try to play well again?
He played really well ^^
That's when the patch hits afaik
Were we watching the same series?
On January 24 2018 19:37 Durnuu wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 19:36 Fyzar wrote: On January 24 2018 19:32 Poopi wrote: On January 24 2018 19:31 Phredxor wrote: I just can't believe the greatest micro player of all time would lose to Trap. Buff reapers maybe?
We just have to wait for 29th of january iirc
Is that when Byun is going to try to play well again?
It's when ByuN can finally go back to his true nature : that of a patchterran
You'll need to bring back tankivacs, 30HP banes, and reaper nades
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On January 24 2018 19:39 Fyzar wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 19:37 Poopi wrote: On January 24 2018 19:36 Fyzar wrote: On January 24 2018 19:32 Poopi wrote: On January 24 2018 19:31 Phredxor wrote: I just can't believe the greatest micro player of all time would lose to Trap. Buff reapers maybe?
We just have to wait for 29th of january iirc
Is that when Byun is going to try to play well again?
He played really well ^^
That's when the patch hits afaik
Were we watching the same series?
I dunno, do you know of a terran doing well in TvP?
On January 24 2018 19:42 Poopi wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 19:39 Fyzar wrote: On January 24 2018 19:37 Poopi wrote: On January 24 2018 19:36 Fyzar wrote: On January 24 2018 19:32 Poopi wrote: On January 24 2018 19:31 Phredxor wrote: I just can't believe the greatest micro player of all time would lose to Trap. Buff reapers maybe?
We just have to wait for 29th of january iirc
Is that when Byun is going to try to play well again?
He played really well ^^
That's when the patch hits afaik
Were we watching the same series?
I dunno, do you know of a terran doing well in TvP?
Matchup being bad doesn’t mean he should be playing poorly
Tastosis overhyping ByuN like crazy given past year
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On January 24 2018 19:42 Poopi wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 19:39 Fyzar wrote: On January 24 2018 19:37 Poopi wrote: On January 24 2018 19:36 Fyzar wrote: On January 24 2018 19:32 Poopi wrote: On January 24 2018 19:31 Phredxor wrote: I just can't believe the greatest micro player of all time would lose to Trap. Buff reapers maybe?
We just have to wait for 29th of january iirc
Is that when Byun is going to try to play well again?
He played really well ^^
That's when the patch hits afaik
Were we watching the same series?
I dunno, do you know of a terran doing well in TvP?
Inno? If he doesn't play against Classic ATM. I believe at the Community update he had 60 % TvP and 90 % TvP - Classic. I was too lazy to check how much is this true though
On January 24 2018 19:42 Poopi wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 19:39 Fyzar wrote: On January 24 2018 19:37 Poopi wrote: On January 24 2018 19:36 Fyzar wrote: On January 24 2018 19:32 Poopi wrote: On January 24 2018 19:31 Phredxor wrote: I just can't believe the greatest micro player of all time would lose to Trap. Buff reapers maybe?
We just have to wait for 29th of january iirc
Is that when Byun is going to try to play well again?
He played really well ^^
That's when the patch hits afaik
Were we watching the same series?
I dunno, do you know of a terran doing well in TvP?
I have seen you making some outlandish remarks in the past but I know you understand SC2, you must have noticed Byun making a lot of mistakes?
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On January 24 2018 19:44 Fyzar wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 19:42 Poopi wrote: On January 24 2018 19:39 Fyzar wrote: On January 24 2018 19:37 Poopi wrote: On January 24 2018 19:36 Fyzar wrote: On January 24 2018 19:32 Poopi wrote: On January 24 2018 19:31 Phredxor wrote: I just can't believe the greatest micro player of all time would lose to Trap. Buff reapers maybe?
We just have to wait for 29th of january iirc
Is that when Byun is going to try to play well again?
He played really well ^^
That's when the patch hits afaik
Were we watching the same series?
I dunno, do you know of a terran doing well in TvP?
Matchup being bad doesn’t mean he should be playing poorly
He didn't play poorly but I should not expect LR guys to judge that well
On January 24 2018 19:44 Nebuchad wrote: Tastosis overhyping ByuN like crazy given past year
I feel like if you win blizzcon tasteless will overhype you. He loves it whenever ByuN kites marines or sOs puts an archon on a bridge
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On January 24 2018 19:44 Nebuchad wrote: Tastosis overhyping ByuN like crazy given past year
Tastosis overhyping? No way INnoVation IS the BEST RTS player EVER
On January 24 2018 19:46 Lorning wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 19:44 Nebuchad wrote: Tastosis overhyping ByuN like crazy given past year
Tastosis overhyping? No way
INnoVation IS the BEST RTS player EVER
RoGuE iS tHe bEsT lAtEgaMe zeRG In tHe WorLd
On January 24 2018 19:45 Poopi wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 19:44 Fyzar wrote: On January 24 2018 19:42 Poopi wrote: On January 24 2018 19:39 Fyzar wrote: On January 24 2018 19:37 Poopi wrote: On January 24 2018 19:36 Fyzar wrote: On January 24 2018 19:32 Poopi wrote: On January 24 2018 19:31 Phredxor wrote: I just can't believe the greatest micro player of all time would lose to Trap. Buff reapers maybe?
We just have to wait for 29th of january iirc
Is that when Byun is going to try to play well again?
He played really well ^^
That's when the patch hits afaik
Were we watching the same series?
I dunno, do you know of a terran doing well in TvP?
Matchup being bad doesn’t mean he should be playing poorly
He didn't play poorly but I should not expect LR guys to judge that well
The guy is famed for his micro yet unburrows his mines, flies medivacs over archons, gets his ghosts forcefielded out. I know you love complaining but do you really think he played well that game?
On January 24 2018 19:46 Lorning wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 19:44 Nebuchad wrote: Tastosis overhyping ByuN like crazy given past year
Tastosis overhyping? No way
INnoVation IS the BEST RTS player EVER
Yeah I know =) I just feel like this was the expected winner's match by a mile.
oh no casters overhyping people who have won are people's choices of the earth, quick tl, riot
On January 24 2018 19:46 Durnuu wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 19:46 Lorning wrote: On January 24 2018 19:44 Nebuchad wrote: Tastosis overhyping ByuN like crazy given past year
Tastosis overhyping? No way
INnoVation IS the BEST RTS player EVER
RoGuE iS tHe bEsT lAtEgaMe zeRG In tHe WorLd
Iirc Rogue won only a single lategame ZvP in GSL but Artosis spent the rest of the year talking about how he never loses
I'm just tuning in now. How have the games been so far?
On January 24 2018 19:46 Fyzar wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 19:45 Poopi wrote: On January 24 2018 19:44 Fyzar wrote: On January 24 2018 19:42 Poopi wrote: On January 24 2018 19:39 Fyzar wrote: On January 24 2018 19:37 Poopi wrote: On January 24 2018 19:36 Fyzar wrote: On January 24 2018 19:32 Poopi wrote: On January 24 2018 19:31 Phredxor wrote: I just can't believe the greatest micro player of all time would lose to Trap. Buff reapers maybe?
We just have to wait for 29th of january iirc
Is that when Byun is going to try to play well again?
He played really well ^^
That's when the patch hits afaik
Were we watching the same series?
I dunno, do you know of a terran doing well in TvP?
Matchup being bad doesn’t mean he should be playing poorly
He didn't play poorly but I should not expect LR guys to judge that well
The guy is famed for his micro yet unburrows his mines, flies medivacs over archons, gets his ghosts forcefielded out. I know you love complaining but do you really think he played well that game?
i guess whats really good is his stutter-step and sniping, easy to find counter-points when people praise his micro in general
On January 24 2018 19:49 Fango wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 19:46 Durnuu wrote: On January 24 2018 19:46 Lorning wrote: On January 24 2018 19:44 Nebuchad wrote: Tastosis overhyping ByuN like crazy given past year
Tastosis overhyping? No way
INnoVation IS the BEST RTS player EVER
RoGuE iS tHe bEsT lAtEgaMe zeRG In tHe WorLd
Iirc Rogue won only a single lategame ZvP in GSL but Artosis spent the rest of the year talking about how he never loses
I don't know how many he won but I'm pretty sure he only lost two, one against Neeb and one against herO
On January 24 2018 19:51 neutralrobot wrote: I'm just tuning in now. How have the games been so far?
Trap vs ByuN game 2 was really good, Trap was really impressive. Dark vs Trust game 2 was also interesting although a bit one sided.On January 24 2018 19:51 Nebuchad wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 19:49 Fango wrote: On January 24 2018 19:46 Durnuu wrote: On January 24 2018 19:46 Lorning wrote: On January 24 2018 19:44 Nebuchad wrote: Tastosis overhyping ByuN like crazy given past year
Tastosis overhyping? No way
INnoVation IS the BEST RTS player EVER
RoGuE iS tHe bEsT lAtEgaMe zeRG In tHe WorLd
Iirc Rogue won only a single lategame ZvP in GSL but Artosis spent the rest of the year talking about how he never loses
I don't know how many he won but I'm pretty sure he only lost two, one against Neeb and one against herO
Let's not forget Dear.
On January 24 2018 19:52 Durnuu wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 19:51 neutralrobot wrote: I'm just tuning in now. How have the games been so far?
Trap vs ByuN game 2 was really good, Trap was really impressive.
Dark vs Trust game 2 was also interesting although a bit one sided.
Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 19:51 Nebuchad wrote: On January 24 2018 19:49 Fango wrote: On January 24 2018 19:46 Durnuu wrote: On January 24 2018 19:46 Lorning wrote: On January 24 2018 19:44 Nebuchad wrote: Tastosis overhyping ByuN like crazy given past year
Tastosis overhyping? No way
INnoVation IS the BEST RTS player EVER
RoGuE iS tHe bEsT lAtEgaMe zeRG In tHe WorLd
Iirc Rogue won only a single lategame ZvP in GSL but Artosis spent the rest of the year talking about how he never loses
I don't know how many he won but I'm pretty sure he only lost two, one against Neeb and one against herO
Let's not forget Dear.
I did :/ when was that?
On January 24 2018 19:54 Nebuchad wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 19:52 Durnuu wrote: On January 24 2018 19:51 neutralrobot wrote: I'm just tuning in now. How have the games been so far?
Trap vs ByuN game 2 was really good, Trap was really impressive.
Dark vs Trust game 2 was also interesting although a bit one sided.
On January 24 2018 19:51 Nebuchad wrote: On January 24 2018 19:49 Fango wrote: On January 24 2018 19:46 Durnuu wrote: On January 24 2018 19:46 Lorning wrote: On January 24 2018 19:44 Nebuchad wrote: Tastosis overhyping ByuN like crazy given past year
Tastosis overhyping? No way
INnoVation IS the BEST RTS player EVER
RoGuE iS tHe bEsT lAtEgaMe zeRG In tHe WorLd
Iirc Rogue won only a single lategame ZvP in GSL but Artosis spent the rest of the year talking about how he never loses
I don't know how many he won but I'm pretty sure he only lost two, one against Neeb and one against herO
Let's not forget Dear.
I did :/ when was that?
VIDEO
On January 24 2018 19:51 Nebuchad wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 19:49 Fango wrote: On January 24 2018 19:46 Durnuu wrote: On January 24 2018 19:46 Lorning wrote: On January 24 2018 19:44 Nebuchad wrote: Tastosis overhyping ByuN like crazy given past year
Tastosis overhyping? No way
INnoVation IS the BEST RTS player EVER
RoGuE iS tHe bEsT lAtEgaMe zeRG In tHe WorLd
Iirc Rogue won only a single lategame ZvP in GSL but Artosis spent the rest of the year talking about how he never loses
I don't know how many he won but I'm pretty sure he only lost two, one against Neeb and one against herO
He beat Dear, herO, and Neeb in series but lost almost all the skytoss games. Artosis kept bringing it up since the single map he won against Stats He was great at doing hydra timings and killing protoss before they got to mass carrier, but he was as hopeless as every other zerg against actual lategame skytoss.
this is frustrating to watch as a zerg
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On January 24 2018 19:58 ShAd_1337 wrote: this is frustrating to watch as a zerg
I know about few things to make it worst. e.g. I make a proxy shield batteries "mini bases" - like 1 pylon, 10 batteries and then attack the Zerg. Or get attacked. Both ways it's the most cancer IMO.
Hahaha the banes blindly killing the DTs :D
This unit comp for Trap though. How the hell do you fight that?
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On January 24 2018 20:02 Vindicare605 wrote: This unit comp for Trap though. How the hell do you fight that?
Same as everyone against protoss. Stop them before they get there
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What a great game from Trap
On January 24 2018 20:03 Fango wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 20:02 Vindicare605 wrote: This unit comp for Trap though. How the hell do you fight that?
Same as everyone against protoss. Stop them before they get there
"Don't let them get there" - tm
Great to see a non-top player like Trap playing like this!
Dark should've had corruptors way earlier. He had nothing to compete with the tempest. Sure, he had hydras, but they were fighting immortals, sentries and high templars on the ground. They would always die way before they even got close to the air units. The brood lords would've done a lot of work if they had some air support, but there was nothing to kill the tempests. Great play by Trap, not so much for Dark. He did react somewhat, but he didn't have the composition he needed in the end.
Trap surely didn't get there that game
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On January 24 2018 20:16 Alchemik wrote: how was dark vs trust
One sided
builds like these are only fun to watch the first time
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The fuck is this shit lol
Trap going full Has here.
Trap should consider shading just 2 adepts in the main just to kill drones i think.
there are enough lings that he can deal with 2adepts easily
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On January 24 2018 20:22 Vendethiel wrote: there are enough lings that he can deal with 2adepts easily
Of course, but Trap is forcing Dark to make ONLY lings. 2 adepts wouldn't make a big difference but if he can get even just 2 drones, it's really big considering Dark is making spines (and can't really afford to remake the drones because he has to make lings).
Well played by Trap. Taking a map off, and almost defeating, a far far superior player! Cool series.
hope trap makes it as well
On January 24 2018 20:24 ShAd_1337 wrote: hope trap makes it as well
Can see him beating ByuN again in the final match. Or Trust if ByuN flops hard
On January 24 2018 20:23 kyllinghest wrote: Well played by Trap. Taking a map off, and almost defeating, a far far superior player! Cool series.
Yeah, and I honestly still can't believe how lucky Trap was to win 7-4 against a "far far superior player" a couple of weeks ago either.
On January 24 2018 20:23 Durnuu wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 20:22 Vendethiel wrote: there are enough lings that he can deal with 2adepts easily
Of course, but Trap is forcing Dark to make ONLY lings. 2 adepts wouldn't make a big difference but if he can get even just 2 drones, it's really big considering Dark is making spines (and can't really afford to remake the drones because he has to make lings).
I don't think he'd be able to get any drone. Maybe one? Dark can back all of his lings without losing ground.
Byun went from blond to blue, the saiyan route doesn't seem to work as well as in the anime
On January 24 2018 20:31 Vendethiel wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 20:23 Durnuu wrote: On January 24 2018 20:22 Vendethiel wrote: there are enough lings that he can deal with 2adepts easily
Of course, but Trap is forcing Dark to make ONLY lings. 2 adepts wouldn't make a big difference but if he can get even just 2 drones, it's really big considering Dark is making spines (and can't really afford to remake the drones because he has to make lings).
I don't think he'd be able to get any drone. Maybe one? Dark can back all of his lings without losing ground.
Adepts don't get killed instantly by lings and can shade on top of the drones (even if Dark pulls them away). Regardless, Trap wasn't getting anything done just faking the shade in the main over and over with all his adepts, so he should have tried something else
Best micro player right there
LOL this is such a Byun game already.
Lorning
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Is this LilleKanin playing
Didn't repair nearly enough for that to work
I like trying ByuN strats at home
In case anyone missed it.
Byun's cyclone drop micro.
Lorning
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Wait, do Artosis and Tasteless really believe ByuN is the greatest micro player of all time?
Trust getting the foreigner treatment
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On January 24 2018 20:44 EatingBomber wrote: Wait, do Artosis and Tasteless really believe ByuN is the greatest micro player of all time?
Forgot about MarineKing. Can't blame 'em, it's been years.
Tasteless is in love with ByuN
On January 24 2018 20:44 EatingBomber wrote: Wait, do Artosis and Tasteless really believe ByuN is the greatest micro player of all time?
hard to say with artosis hyperboling all the time
Trust's building placement this series has been seriously awful.
As an avid fan of Siege Tank pushes, this game has me so hard right now.
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Now for the rematch curse
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On January 24 2018 20:45 Lorning wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 20:44 EatingBomber wrote: Wait, do Artosis and Tasteless really believe ByuN is the greatest micro player of all time?
Forgot about MarineKing. Can't blame 'em, it's been years.
MKP - Maru - ByuN top 3 micro all time
After watching Trust's play I can now accept NoRegret to be a code S player, cuz he actually prepared.
Artosis cursing Trap. rip
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Why is it called Blackpink if it's purple?
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On January 24 2018 21:07 Lorning wrote: Why is it called Blackpink if it's purple?
Maybe it was made by a male. And you know, males don't know colors beyond black and white
On January 24 2018 21:07 Lorning wrote: Why is it called Blackpink if it's purple?
To get ez votes in the TLMC
That pickup was extremely bad.
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On January 24 2018 21:15 deacon.frost wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 21:07 Lorning wrote: Why is it called Blackpink if it's purple?
Maybe it was made by a male. And you know, males don't know colors beyond black and white
What
idk, i though trap looked pretty solid there
ByuN vs Trap is looking like a really interesting match-up at the moment.
2 things: - that was a good game - Byun does not have the best micro of all time
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On January 24 2018 21:21 Myrddrael wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 21:15 deacon.frost wrote: On January 24 2018 21:07 Lorning wrote: Why is it called Blackpink if it's purple?
Maybe it was made by a male. And you know, males don't know colors beyond black and white
What
it was a joke. Which was just confirmed by tastosis don't recognizing the color of hair Edit> this kind of joke: (added into a spoiler as this is OT)+ Show Spoiler +
Great game just now. Minor nitpick Lorning: The way your Poll is 4 is basically the best I'll give. Best game ever is a bit too much for 5, it would be okay on a 1-10 scala for a 10 maybe.
Interesting to see a robo first, after going stargate every PvT iirc Might just be scared of almost dying to a stim timing like last game
On January 24 2018 21:23 deacon.frost wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 21:21 Myrddrael wrote: On January 24 2018 21:15 deacon.frost wrote: On January 24 2018 21:07 Lorning wrote: Why is it called Blackpink if it's purple?
Maybe it was made by a male. And you know, males don't know colors beyond black and white
What
it was a joke.
Which was just confirmed by tastosis don't recognizing the color of hair
It was super funny
On January 24 2018 21:25 Durnuu wrote: Interesting to see a robo first, after going stargate every PvT iirc
Maybe I haven't been paying close enough attention to the meta lately, but is there a reason why stargate openings have become the norm lately in PvT? It used to be Robo or Twilight openings.
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gotta get that yung prime micro rip...?
On January 24 2018 21:30 Muffloe wrote: gotta get that yung prime micro rip...?
Of course. Pretty bad game.
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Trap 4-0 best micro player of all time
Byun played a great series, but I had such a strong feeling Trap was getting out of this group. Liquibets!!!
Trap destroyed Byun so hard today.
yes Trap! After seeing him in onpoong vs dark and Maru I knew he was going to get out.
Trap micro was so good, awesome, protoss is the race of the micro
Jjakji getting out of his group confirmed by Artosis.
Man, Tasteless didnt say he loves us.... maybe we have balance whine too much this time?
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On January 24 2018 21:40 Argonauta wrote: Man, Tasteless didnt say he loves us.... maybe we have balance whine too much this time?
Nah, he just used all his passion on micro and was too fatigued to mention us.
On January 24 2018 20:54 Poopi wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 20:45 Lorning wrote: On January 24 2018 20:44 EatingBomber wrote: Wait, do Artosis and Tasteless really believe ByuN is the greatest micro player of all time?
Forgot about MarineKing. Can't blame 'em, it's been years.
MKP - Maru - ByuN top 3 micro all time
parting and dream
I was gonna ask if there were any games worth watching, but I can just look myself thanks the Lornjwa
This patch is so bad for byun's playstyle
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On January 25 2018 00:56 Uberfather wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 20:54 Poopi wrote: On January 24 2018 20:45 Lorning wrote: On January 24 2018 20:44 EatingBomber wrote: Wait, do Artosis and Tasteless really believe ByuN is the greatest micro player of all time?
Forgot about MarineKing. Can't blame 'em, it's been years.
MKP - Maru - ByuN top 3 micro all time
parting
and dream
PartinG is not a terran player.
Tastosis missed a sick micro move that trap did on that last game. at the beginning of his first attack, he triggered the mines onto the zealots next to the bio, but managed to pick up the zealots with his warp prism, making the friendly fire the only part of the mine shot that remained
Tastosis were focusing so much of ByuN's micro they barely mention Trap one's and it was even better than ByuN's
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On January 25 2018 04:07 Seeker wrote: Show nested quote + On January 25 2018 00:56 Uberfather wrote: On January 24 2018 20:54 Poopi wrote: On January 24 2018 20:45 Lorning wrote: On January 24 2018 20:44 EatingBomber wrote: Wait, do Artosis and Tasteless really believe ByuN is the greatest micro player of all time?
Forgot about MarineKing. Can't blame 'em, it's been years.
MKP - Maru - ByuN top 3 micro all time
parting
and dream
PartinG is not a terran player.
MC. Better? IIRC MC was mentioned as a great practice partner with Terran almost on par with his Protoss.
Seeker
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On January 25 2018 05:22 deacon.frost wrote: Show nested quote + On January 25 2018 04:07 Seeker wrote: On January 25 2018 00:56 Uberfather wrote: On January 24 2018 20:54 Poopi wrote: On January 24 2018 20:45 Lorning wrote: On January 24 2018 20:44 EatingBomber wrote: Wait, do Artosis and Tasteless really believe ByuN is the greatest micro player of all time?
Forgot about MarineKing. Can't blame 'em, it's been years.
MKP - Maru - ByuN top 3 micro all time
parting
and dream
PartinG is not a terran player.
MC. Better? IIRC MC was mentioned as a great practice partner with Terran almost on par with his Protoss.
MC is not a terran player either.
On January 25 2018 06:05 Seeker wrote: Show nested quote + On January 25 2018 05:22 deacon.frost wrote: On January 25 2018 04:07 Seeker wrote: On January 25 2018 00:56 Uberfather wrote: On January 24 2018 20:54 Poopi wrote: On January 24 2018 20:45 Lorning wrote: On January 24 2018 20:44 EatingBomber wrote: Wait, do Artosis and Tasteless really believe ByuN is the greatest micro player of all time?
Forgot about MarineKing. Can't blame 'em, it's been years.
MKP - Maru - ByuN top 3 micro all time
parting
and dream
PartinG is not a terran player.
MC. Better? IIRC MC was mentioned as a great practice partner with Terran almost on par with his Protoss.
MC is not a terran player either.
This is why Classic is so good. Got that Terran micro with OP Protoss units.
On January 25 2018 06:09 Phredxor wrote: Show nested quote + On January 25 2018 06:05 Seeker wrote: On January 25 2018 05:22 deacon.frost wrote: On January 25 2018 04:07 Seeker wrote: On January 25 2018 00:56 Uberfather wrote: On January 24 2018 20:54 Poopi wrote: On January 24 2018 20:45 Lorning wrote: On January 24 2018 20:44 EatingBomber wrote: Wait, do Artosis and Tasteless really believe ByuN is the greatest micro player of all time?
Forgot about MarineKing. Can't blame 'em, it's been years.
MKP - Maru - ByuN top 3 micro all time
parting
and dream
PartinG is not a terran player.
MC. Better? IIRC MC was mentioned as a great practice partner with Terran almost on par with his Protoss.
MC is not a terran player either.
This is why Classic is so good. Got that Terran micro with OP Protoss units.
Does that mean that ByuN's micro sucks? Since he has Protoss micro with UP Terran units.
ByuN losing brings me joy.
im very sad becuse of ByuN elimination but Trap played really good games and he deserved the win. gratz Trap!
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DnS said Trap is top 3 protoss atm, looks like he was true
On January 26 2018 08:42 Poopi wrote: DnS said Trap is top 3 protoss atm, looks like he was true
He's usually very good for one tournament each year