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The terran hope of group D is the future champion
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Zest, Snute, Bunny
soO, Neeb, Trap
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Billowy, Kelazhur, Snute
soO, Patience, Neeb.
Let's go.
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So you rank Patience higher than Cure, Trap, Ragnarok and Hurricane ?
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Groups A and B were way harder than these ones here
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this is like an MLG except every one is really damn good.
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On February 27 2018 07:19 pvsnp wrote: Groups A and B were way harder than these ones here Yes, TRUE and Solar are much better players than Trap or soO
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On February 27 2018 07:30 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2018 07:19 pvsnp wrote: Groups A and B were way harder than these ones here Yes, TRUE and Solar are much better players than Trap or soO soO is the only player in good form, compared to Scarlett, Serral, True, and (maybe?) Solar. Granted, soO is better than any one of them but soO can only take one spot. His group as a whole is weaker.
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Zest, Bunny and Snute; soO, Trap and Hurricane (just a feeling, hard to say for sure).
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With Scarlett out, time to put on my cheering hat for Special and Neeb.
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Cheering for SpeCial & NoRegreT. Also Jin AIr! They're looking strong lately.
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Hopefully Hurricane could make it through, such a hard-working young man.
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Zest, Snute, Kelazhur soO, Neeb, Trap
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BUNNYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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I predict SpeCial, Zest, Bunny and soO, Trap, Patience will go through.
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Sorry, but it is impossible that all of Special, Zest, Bunny will advance. (because they are in the upper bracket, at least one of them will fall)
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On February 27 2018 16:31 SzuperCsiga wrote: Sorry, but it is impossible that all of Special, Zest, Bunny will advance. (because they are in the upper bracket, at least one of them will fall) There is a losers' bracket
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yes. But one player will advance from the lower side of the winner bracket.
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On February 27 2018 16:34 SzuperCsiga wrote: yes. But one player will advance from the lower side of the winner bracket. Ah, you're right, I misunderstood
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I hope Snute will make it! Gogo Snute!
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Yeah this SpeCial guy is fucking toast
BUNNYYYYYYYYY
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Korea vs the world round 2.... Fighting!
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On February 27 2018 16:31 SzuperCsiga wrote: Sorry, but it is impossible that all of Special, Zest, Bunny will advance. (because they are in the upper bracket, at least one of them will fall) You're right, so let's say Zest, Bunny, Namshar for Bracket #3 then.
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Bracket #3: Zest Snute Special/Bunny Bracket #4: soO Trap Neeb
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Wow. These brackets are brutal for everyone involved
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Bunny Cure and soO today, others doesnt matter
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Billowy no-show
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Haven't watched in a while, how good is mech these days?
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I knew that Shield Batteries would create some weird rushes.
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Really hope for TLO, soO and Losira from Group D!
3 of my favorite players in one group!
soO is basically already in the RO24, but i hope Losira and TLO are able to pull it off aswell...
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On February 27 2018 19:21 Heartland wrote: I knew that Shield Batteries would create some weird rushes. What are you? A prophet?
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On February 27 2018 19:24 D-light wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2018 19:21 Heartland wrote: I knew that Shield Batteries would create some weird rushes. What are you? A prophet?
As we say in Sweden, sometimes even a blind hen is correct.
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Rofl the TLnet tweet about today's brackets
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Special 2-0 Hellraiser.
Eonblu will replace Billowy
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6k player to replace a Korean
Still better than BYE, GLGL Eonblu
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There are so insanely many games.
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Zest could have won right then and there.
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God I hate base trading Terran.
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It appears I've awoken to a crazy PvT :o
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Bunny could have had a few good shots on the Colossi so much earlier there.
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TvP broken match-up.
User was warned for this post
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I would say this is such an easy road for Snute since there are no koreans in his side, but HeroMarine and Kelazhur are one of the best foreigner Terrans, HM is also really consistent in european games.
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But he lets the Nexus go down...
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It looks like foreigners cant play Bio well enough vs Zerg
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Even when a kinda cheer for the protoss player, his protoss play disgust me
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Thought Zest blew it when he let the Nexus die for so little. Well played.
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Major vs Zest should be interesting.
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Zest is probably the best PvT player in the world.
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Ziggy losing 0-2 to the Romanian protoss Light in the first loser's round
Poor Artosis
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On February 27 2018 20:22 jarodtou wrote: Major vs Zest should be interesting.
It depends of how he defends the cyclones
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Why would you want to fight into this? Well, maybe because he won the fight and even if he hadn't then trading with mech is worth it.
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There were a couple hiccups from Zest, but damn his game management is so good.
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On February 27 2018 20:25 D-light wrote: Ziggy losing 0-2 to the Romanian protoss Light in the first loser's round
Poor Artosis
GG Light, is he the new NightEnd.. also I like how you "share" the name D-light vs Light
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On February 27 2018 20:27 jarodtou wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2018 20:25 D-light wrote: Ziggy losing 0-2 to the Romanian protoss Light in the first loser's round
Poor Artosis GG Light, is he the new NightEnd.. also I like how you "share" the name D-light vs Light I actually decided to go with this nickname after seeing some dank highlights of Light once.
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Making favourable trades at Bunny's third when down with 10 army supply while reexpanding his third was key for Zest.
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And now the next Code S zerg goes out before the ro24 as NoRegret loses to Risky after losing to Namshar.
EU ZvZ.
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Lmao Noregret actually lost to Risky
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well zest is dead if major knew exactly what his supply is
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I don`t get how is Zest still in this game with half of the supply, applying pressure and all, anyhow, I guess GG special.
Also EU ZvZ the strongest :D
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On February 27 2018 20:23 Zaros wrote: Zest is probably the best PvT player in the world. I don't know, Kev.
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Zest would be better off playing standard instead of trying cute stuff.
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On February 27 2018 20:55 D-light wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2018 20:23 Zaros wrote: Zest is probably the best PvT player in the world. I don't know, Kev. Kev? Sounds more like Artosis
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On February 27 2018 19:29 DieuCure wrote: Rofl the TLnet tweet about today's brackets Did you like it was for you!
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On February 27 2018 21:10 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2018 19:29 DieuCure wrote: Rofl the TLnet tweet about today's brackets Did you like it was for you! No mention of the Bunster tho, 0/10
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On February 27 2018 21:10 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2018 19:29 DieuCure wrote: Rofl the TLnet tweet about today's brackets Did you like it was for you!
Link plz
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On February 27 2018 21:12 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2018 21:10 Pandemona wrote:On February 27 2018 19:29 DieuCure wrote: Rofl the TLnet tweet about today's brackets Did you like it was for you! Link plz
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So many scouted proxies this series
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Close game 3 between Zest and Special. The gap has closed.
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On February 27 2018 20:55 D-light wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2018 20:23 Zaros wrote: Zest is probably the best PvT player in the world. I don't know, Kev.
You were saying?
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Yeahhhh when Zest went robo against proxy cyclone that pretty much was game over.
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Seeing these last games I have a feeling that the players just don`t have enough patience and want to finish the games faster, doing "all in"-ish builds, instead of going for the macro games. ofc, expect Snute/HM
Also, Zest is the first P to qualify from the brackets!
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On February 27 2018 21:15 usopsama wrote: Close game 3 between Zest and Special. The gap has closed. Destroy everything that made Korean esports special and than claim that foreigners closed the gap and caught up aheu
Tfw
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How good in SpeCial's TvT? Bunny is looking very strong
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On February 27 2018 21:15 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2018 20:55 D-light wrote:On February 27 2018 20:23 Zaros wrote: Zest is probably the best PvT player in the world. I don't know, Kev. You were saying? I'm definitely a fool. The horrible first game was just a to give the illusion that Zest isn't best.
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pretty interesting lower bracket: Bunny, Snute, Major and Kelazhur
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On February 27 2018 21:16 EXRNaRa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2018 21:15 usopsama wrote: Close game 3 between Zest and Special. The gap has closed. Destroy everything that made Korean esports special and than claim that foreigners closed the gap and caught up aheu Tfw I for one blame Apollo for that destruction.
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On February 27 2018 21:19 D-light wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2018 21:15 Zaros wrote:On February 27 2018 20:55 D-light wrote:On February 27 2018 20:23 Zaros wrote: Zest is probably the best PvT player in the world. I don't know, Kev. You were saying? I'm definitely a fool. The horrible first game was just a to give the illusion that Zest isn't best.
Meh, having your proxy scouted always puts you behind. Can't really fault him much for that. Played the rest out quite well though.
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On February 27 2018 21:20 D-light wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2018 21:16 EXRNaRa wrote:On February 27 2018 21:15 usopsama wrote: Close game 3 between Zest and Special. The gap has closed. Destroy everything that made Korean esports special and than claim that foreigners closed the gap and caught up aheu Tfw I for one blame Apollo for that destruction.
btw, where is Apollo? I kinda miss his commentaries, such a nice lad.
HeroMarine qualified! yey(more foreign T in groups)
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On February 27 2018 21:20 D-light wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2018 21:16 EXRNaRa wrote:On February 27 2018 21:15 usopsama wrote: Close game 3 between Zest and Special. The gap has closed. Destroy everything that made Korean esports special and than claim that foreigners closed the gap and caught up aheu Tfw I for one blame Apollo for that destruction. soon Apollo will announce his move to LoL
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So either Special or Kela is out for sure, nice.
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On February 27 2018 21:22 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2018 21:19 D-light wrote:On February 27 2018 21:15 Zaros wrote:On February 27 2018 20:55 D-light wrote:On February 27 2018 20:23 Zaros wrote: Zest is probably the best PvT player in the world. I don't know, Kev. You were saying? I'm definitely a fool. The horrible first game was just a to give the illusion that Zest isn't best. Meh, having your proxy scouted always puts you behind. Can't really fault him much for that. Played the rest out quite well though. Eh, I guess.
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On February 27 2018 21:22 jarodtou wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2018 21:20 D-light wrote:On February 27 2018 21:16 EXRNaRa wrote:On February 27 2018 21:15 usopsama wrote: Close game 3 between Zest and Special. The gap has closed. Destroy everything that made Korean esports special and than claim that foreigners closed the gap and caught up aheu Tfw I for one blame Apollo for that destruction. btw, where is Apollo? I kinda miss his commentaries, such a nice lad. HeroMarine qualified! yey(more foreign T in groups) He's now the main producer for the IEM tournaments for ESL, so he's working on the tournaments just behind the camera.
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On February 27 2018 21:25 D-light wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2018 21:22 jarodtou wrote:On February 27 2018 21:20 D-light wrote:On February 27 2018 21:16 EXRNaRa wrote:On February 27 2018 21:15 usopsama wrote: Close game 3 between Zest and Special. The gap has closed. Destroy everything that made Korean esports special and than claim that foreigners closed the gap and caught up aheu Tfw I for one blame Apollo for that destruction. btw, where is Apollo? I kinda miss his commentaries, such a nice lad. HeroMarine qualified! yey(more foreign T in groups) He's now the main producer for the IEM tournaments for ESL, so he's working on the tournaments just behind the camera.
Ok, so still on E-Sports, still, kinda miss him in front of the cameras.
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On February 27 2018 21:10 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2018 19:29 DieuCure wrote: Rofl the TLnet tweet about today's brackets Did you like it was for you!
Obviously
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On February 27 2018 21:28 jarodtou wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2018 21:25 D-light wrote:On February 27 2018 21:22 jarodtou wrote:On February 27 2018 21:20 D-light wrote:On February 27 2018 21:16 EXRNaRa wrote:On February 27 2018 21:15 usopsama wrote: Close game 3 between Zest and Special. The gap has closed. Destroy everything that made Korean esports special and than claim that foreigners closed the gap and caught up aheu Tfw I for one blame Apollo for that destruction. btw, where is Apollo? I kinda miss his commentaries, such a nice lad. HeroMarine qualified! yey(more foreign T in groups) He's now the main producer for the IEM tournaments for ESL, so he's working on the tournaments just behind the camera. Ok, so still on E-Sports, still, kinda miss him in front of the cameras. Yup. Luckily we have a bunch of other great casters, and he's doing fantastic in his current job from all I've heard.
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Dayshi the unexpected French Hope
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On February 27 2018 21:31 D-light wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2018 21:28 jarodtou wrote:On February 27 2018 21:25 D-light wrote:On February 27 2018 21:22 jarodtou wrote:On February 27 2018 21:20 D-light wrote:On February 27 2018 21:16 EXRNaRa wrote:On February 27 2018 21:15 usopsama wrote: Close game 3 between Zest and Special. The gap has closed. Destroy everything that made Korean esports special and than claim that foreigners closed the gap and caught up aheu Tfw I for one blame Apollo for that destruction. btw, where is Apollo? I kinda miss his commentaries, such a nice lad. HeroMarine qualified! yey(more foreign T in groups) He's now the main producer for the IEM tournaments for ESL, so he's working on the tournaments just behind the camera. Ok, so still on E-Sports, still, kinda miss him in front of the cameras. Yup. Luckily we have a bunch of other great casters, and he's doing fantastic in his current job from all I've heard.
That's strange, this is a comment that seems to be positive and I can't really detect sarcasm in it. Are you sure you meant to post this on TL?
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On February 27 2018 21:33 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2018 21:31 D-light wrote:On February 27 2018 21:28 jarodtou wrote:On February 27 2018 21:25 D-light wrote:On February 27 2018 21:22 jarodtou wrote:On February 27 2018 21:20 D-light wrote:On February 27 2018 21:16 EXRNaRa wrote:On February 27 2018 21:15 usopsama wrote: Close game 3 between Zest and Special. The gap has closed. Destroy everything that made Korean esports special and than claim that foreigners closed the gap and caught up aheu Tfw I for one blame Apollo for that destruction. btw, where is Apollo? I kinda miss his commentaries, such a nice lad. HeroMarine qualified! yey(more foreign T in groups) He's now the main producer for the IEM tournaments for ESL, so he's working on the tournaments just behind the camera. Ok, so still on E-Sports, still, kinda miss him in front of the cameras. Yup. Luckily we have a bunch of other great casters, and he's doing fantastic in his current job from all I've heard. That's strange, this is a comment that seems to be positive and I can't really detect sarcasm in it. Are you sure you meant to post this on TL? lol you totally fell for it
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On February 27 2018 21:35 D-light wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2018 21:33 Heartland wrote:On February 27 2018 21:31 D-light wrote:On February 27 2018 21:28 jarodtou wrote:On February 27 2018 21:25 D-light wrote:On February 27 2018 21:22 jarodtou wrote:On February 27 2018 21:20 D-light wrote:On February 27 2018 21:16 EXRNaRa wrote:On February 27 2018 21:15 usopsama wrote: Close game 3 between Zest and Special. The gap has closed. Destroy everything that made Korean esports special and than claim that foreigners closed the gap and caught up aheu Tfw I for one blame Apollo for that destruction. btw, where is Apollo? I kinda miss his commentaries, such a nice lad. HeroMarine qualified! yey(more foreign T in groups) He's now the main producer for the IEM tournaments for ESL, so he's working on the tournaments just behind the camera. Ok, so still on E-Sports, still, kinda miss him in front of the cameras. Yup. Luckily we have a bunch of other great casters, and he's doing fantastic in his current job from all I've heard. That's strange, this is a comment that seems to be positive and I can't really detect sarcasm in it. Are you sure you meant to post this on TL? lol you totally fell for it
Damn
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Sometimes it seems as if Zerg would do well to keep like ten-fifteen lings back after the initial engage with the mech army so the screening units are gone and then lings can get on top of the tanks.
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Lol, Dayshi lost six supply depots and didn't drop from his 200 max supply count.
edit: I am dumb
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Special, Kelazhur, Snute and Bunny for only one spot. But in the end, Dayshi takes it !
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BUNNYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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On February 27 2018 21:48 LDaVinci wrote: Special, Kelazhur, Snute and Bunny for only one spot. But in the end, Dayshi takes it ! Really good foreigners there and only 1 can make it, actually I wouldn't even mind if Dayshi is the one, I still remember his mas hellions in one of the HSC
Snute vs Dayshi really good game 1. TvZ is the most entertaining matchup, it always was, always will be.
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he'll lose this one but still impressed by Dayshi
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Why is snute waiting? Pretty sure I've seen snute choke quite a few times from a winning position like this.
*edit: phew.
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I guess it's initiate operation don't let him get there for Dayshi next map
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On February 27 2018 22:31 Penev wrote: jacket is coming of! Zerg pressure > jacket off
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On February 27 2018 22:39 D-light wrote:Zerg pressure > jacket off he just didn't want any bile on it :/
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Wow. anti-armor drone vs early queens is so good.
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"Snute: King of Queens", nice one
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Nice job Heromarine! We getting a lot of Terrans from the open brackets (minus group B of course)
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it seems that Dayshi is like french tennisman, he will never do something despite the hype :/
Major vs Snute is hot
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Go Major! I'd love to see him qualify even though Snute is great.
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I haven't watched SC2 for quite some time, just tuned in since I have nothing better to do right now, and it is sad to see year after year that we constantly have these slug fests like this game... I mean, I know there are others nail-biting games that are really exciting, but somehow whenever I watch a tourney majority of games look like this and I just get bored to death.
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SNute always with the 30 min games
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On February 27 2018 23:30 Ramiz1989 wrote: I haven't watched SC2 for quite some time, just tuned in since I have nothing better to do right now, and it is sad to see year after year that we constantly have these slug fests like this game... I mean, I know there are others nail-biting games that are really exciting, but somehow whenever I watch a tourney majority of games look like this and I just get bored to death. Should avoid Snute vs Terran in the future.
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On February 27 2018 23:30 Ramiz1989 wrote: I haven't watched SC2 for quite some time, just tuned in since I have nothing better to do right now, and it is sad to see year after year that we constantly have these slug fests like this game... I mean, I know there are others nail-biting games that are really exciting, but somehow whenever I watch a tourney majority of games look like this and I just get bored to death.
You happened to tune in when two players that are known for always pushing for the late game (Snute especially) are playing.
Unlucky break for you I guess.
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On February 27 2018 23:17 Mun_Su wrote: it seems that Dayshi is like french tennisman, he will never do something despite the hype :/
Major vs Snute is hot What hype ? Dayshi has been awful for years now.
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On February 27 2018 23:30 Ramiz1989 wrote: I haven't watched SC2 for quite some time, just tuned in since I have nothing better to do right now, and it is sad to see year after year that we constantly have these slug fests like this game... I mean, I know there are others nail-biting games that are really exciting, but somehow whenever I watch a tourney majority of games look like this and I just get bored to death. Not sure what to say, I quite enjoyed especially the last TvZs.. also Zest had some really agressive PvT, and this last game Snute vs Major was really entertaining and hard for both players. I guess depends on what you expect from the game, I found the games from today really nice. (Dayshi vs Snute game 1 was also really nice).
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On February 27 2018 23:33 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2018 23:17 Mun_Su wrote: it seems that Dayshi is like french tennisman, he will never do something despite the hype :/
Major vs Snute is hot What hype ? Dayshi has been awful for years now. Hey but remember that time he was in funny clothes, hungover, and then beat Bomber while drinking more beer?
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Is it just me or are there black bars on the sides and bottom of the stream?
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Cure vs Hurricane will be on esl_sc2c
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So far i really enjoy the games! Katowice delivers as always and the group stage has not even started yet.
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It's on Twitch. Didn't realize it was also on YT, but I'll watch there since it doesn't have the bars. Thanks.
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This tvZ lategame meta is ridiculous.
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Backwater, time for 30 PFs and ghosts.
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On February 27 2018 23:50 Morbidius wrote: This tvZ lategame meta is ridiculous.
It's one of the best that I can remember seeing.
Both sides have very powerful ultimate unit comps that counter each other, so it becomes a micro and positioning battle with spell casters mostly.
Reminds me a lot of WoL TvP.
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Yes TvZ late game is much better than in 2016 (lolol) and 2017.
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On February 27 2018 23:59 DieuCure wrote: Yes TvZ late game is much better than in 2016 (lolol) and 2017.
Parade pushing had it's own charm. There was lots of micro and constant action.
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If snute wins the 3rd bracket wont end till midnight
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On February 28 2018 00:00 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2018 23:59 DieuCure wrote: Yes TvZ late game is much better than in 2016 (lolol) and 2017. Parade pushing had it's own charm. There was lots of micro and constant action.
Thing is, that style was more of a "don't let the Zerg get to late game" than it was a true late game style for Terran.
This new meta, you can be aggressive with Terran trying to prevent Zerg from teching like traditional TvZ, or you can play for a late game army comp with defensive and positional play.
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On February 28 2018 00:03 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 00:00 Heartland wrote:On February 27 2018 23:59 DieuCure wrote: Yes TvZ late game is much better than in 2016 (lolol) and 2017. Parade pushing had it's own charm. There was lots of micro and constant action. Thing is, that style was more of a "don't let the Zerg get to late game" than it was a true late game style for Terran. This new meta, you can be aggressive with Terran trying to prevent Zerg from teching like traditional TvZ, or you can play for a late game army comp with defensive and positional play.
Sure, and the issue was also that there was basically just one style. A healthy (as in, fun to watch) meta has a few major viable styles. I do think that the sort of "break them before they manage to do X"-situation can be a lot of fun as long as it involves lots of action and harassing (rather than WoL pre-BL PvZ timings).
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Snute always looks so sloppy in the lategame every time I watch him, yet always goes for it
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to many workers for special
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Snute is like the epitomy of Zerg players. He just seems to crumble when his Hive unit a-move fails to end the game.
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Sad first map for Cure
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Ha ha ha, landing the Viking to save it from Parasitic Bomb. Cute.
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I like Snute but I hate how drawn out all of his games get
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On February 28 2018 00:13 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Ha ha ha, landing the Viking to save it from Parasitic Bomb. Cute. This is actually really nice, I must try this on ladder :D
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Some suboptimal fights for Snute.
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the drops did win the game
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Man snute had this game won 5 minutes ago if he had some killing instincts when he was in Specials natural Now it looks grim
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WTF, how can you lose with such opening advantage...
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That was a weird attack, wasn't it?
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After that opening rush, I can't believe Snute managed to lose that. If you're Snute that is a REALLY tough loss.
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it wasn't that bad after the initial push, special still had 4 ccs
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Snute just outright chokes when he doesn't get auto-win by Broods.
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Hey Harstem 2-0 Sortof, that's a nice win for him
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On February 28 2018 00:18 Vindicare605 wrote: After that opening rush, I can't believe Snute managed to lose that. If you're Snute that is a REALLY tough loss.
He just doesn't seem to have a killer instinct, he let Terran easily get to 5 bases after that.
And even when he got a good fight on hive tech he doesn't seem to be able to push his advantage.
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Snute needs to work on his lategame harass defense, he took too many unnecessary losses while his army was chilling in the middle of the map.
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I do feel like Patience make sure there is a lot of shame losing to him
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Fan favorite Cure going down to Hurricane 0-2.
:^(
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Top half of group 4 is way too stacked
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On February 28 2018 00:30 iamho wrote: Top half of group 4 is way too stacked Compared to the bottom one yeah, but both soO and Trap can advance so it's ok.
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Hurricane-Neeb comming up
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CURE bypasses the bracketluck by qualifying through theLB
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On February 28 2018 00:28 D-light wrote: Fan favorite Cure going down to Hurricane 0-2.
:^(
well Hurricane=fastest player on earth.. or so he was around 4-5 years ago, but he always was more like a Sniper, hope the american dude will take him out
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Harstem 1 - 0 up against soO on b-stream.
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Special-Bunny is one of those matches where everyone will feel absolutely great if special wins, and absolutely terrible if he loses, with very few people thinking otherwise. Fan-favorite foreigner vs nameless korean
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On February 28 2018 00:36 GreatTrash wrote: Harstem 1 - 0 up against soO on b-stream.
Should we start already the "Year of Harstem" hype?
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On February 28 2018 00:39 jarodtou wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 00:36 GreatTrash wrote: Harstem 1 - 0 up against soO on b-stream. Should we start already the "Year of Harstem" hype? The hype hasn't stopped since the first year of harstem.
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It's at least the 3rd year of Harstem.
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On February 28 2018 00:36 Pandain wrote: Special-Bunny is one of those matches where everyone will feel absolutely great if special wins, and absolutely terrible if he loses, with very few people thinking otherwise. Fan-favorite foreigner vs nameless korean Eh, there's certainly a portion of people who aren't fans of Special for different reasons, and will take a nameless and faceless korean terran before him.
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On February 28 2018 00:36 Pandain wrote: Special-Bunny is one of those matches where everyone will feel absolutely great if special wins, and absolutely terrible if he loses, with very few people thinking otherwise. Fan-favorite foreigner vs nameless korean Fan favorite vs the white guy that spent entire proleague season getting hazed in proleague
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On February 28 2018 00:36 Pandain wrote: Special-Bunny is one of those matches where everyone will feel absolutely great if special wins, and absolutely terrible if he loses, with very few people thinking otherwise. Fan-favorite foreigner vs nameless korean His name is Bunny??
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On February 28 2018 00:36 Pandain wrote: Special-Bunny is one of those matches where everyone will feel absolutely great if special wins, and absolutely terrible if he loses, with very few people thinking otherwise. Fan-favorite foreigner vs nameless korean Absolutely not. Special is the nameless one out of the two.
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On February 28 2018 00:47 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 00:36 Pandain wrote: Special-Bunny is one of those matches where everyone will feel absolutely great if special wins, and absolutely terrible if he loses, with very few people thinking otherwise. Fan-favorite foreigner vs nameless korean Absolutely not. Special is the nameless one out of the two. I wouldn't call him nameless
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On February 28 2018 00:51 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 00:47 Charoisaur wrote:On February 28 2018 00:36 Pandain wrote: Special-Bunny is one of those matches where everyone will feel absolutely great if special wins, and absolutely terrible if he loses, with very few people thinking otherwise. Fan-favorite foreigner vs nameless korean Absolutely not. Special is the nameless one out of the two. I wouldn't call him nameless That's the one thing he has more than enough of.
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94 scvs for Special
Hmm...
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Cure outplaying Kas
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On February 28 2018 00:54 DieuCure wrote:Cure outplaying Kas Wow EU get your shit together.
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Guten Morgen. What has been up so far today
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soO, Neeb and Cure in the loser bracket ?
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On February 28 2018 00:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Guten Morgen. What has been up so far today Katowice ain't german. ;f
Zest is BEST. In his bracket at least.
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On February 28 2018 00:51 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 00:47 Charoisaur wrote:On February 28 2018 00:36 Pandain wrote: Special-Bunny is one of those matches where everyone will feel absolutely great if special wins, and absolutely terrible if he loses, with very few people thinking otherwise. Fan-favorite foreigner vs nameless korean Absolutely not. Special is the nameless one out of the two. I wouldn't call him nameless Well if you change it every few days do you really have a name?
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On February 28 2018 00:58 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 00:51 Penev wrote:On February 28 2018 00:47 Charoisaur wrote:On February 28 2018 00:36 Pandain wrote: Special-Bunny is one of those matches where everyone will feel absolutely great if special wins, and absolutely terrible if he loses, with very few people thinking otherwise. Fan-favorite foreigner vs nameless korean Absolutely not. Special is the nameless one out of the two. I wouldn't call him nameless Well if you change it every few days do you really have a name? Shapeless, the Windy Princess
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Expand more, Bunny?
What are you doing, Bunny?
Hmm...
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On February 28 2018 01:00 D-light wrote: Expand more, Bunny?
What are you doing, Bunny?
Hmm... Just stomping some faceless foreigner
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The only way to make TvT entertaining I guess
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On February 28 2018 01:05 OsaX Nymloth wrote: The only way to make TvT entertaining I guess Bullshit ties for the win.
Or Bunny I guess.
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THE BUNSTER THE BUNJWA BUNNYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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meanwhile soO losing to yearofharstem?
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It's starting to look like a foreigner massacre today. Bracket 4 is looking pretty Korean dominated.
At this rate the Round of 24 will have maybe 6 foreigners at most.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36671 Posts
Holy shit... That was a crazy game...
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very fun game, two more com'on
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Don't you dare lose this series, soO.
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On February 28 2018 01:08 Vindicare605 wrote: It's starting to look like a foreigner massacre today. Bracket 4 is looking pretty Korean dominated.
At this rate the Round of 24 will have maybe 6 foreigners at most. #gap is closed #gap is closed #gap is closed #gap is closed
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I'm dying, possibly Cure, soO, Neeb and Trap in the loser bracket
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On February 28 2018 01:08 Vindicare605 wrote: It's starting to look like a foreigner massacre today. Bracket 4 is looking pretty Korean dominated.
At this rate the Round of 24 will have maybe 6 foreigners at most. Already 6 in ro24 (Elazer, Nerchio, uThermal and Showtime from server qualifiers, Serral and Heromarine from offline qualifiers)
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What the hell did I come home to, why is soO losing?!
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The year of Harstem again?
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soO losing to the 2nd best dutch player
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On February 28 2018 01:12 DBooN wrote: What the hell did I come home to, why is soO losing?! Suboptimal play.
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Wyd soO, you ain't suppose to lose till the finals
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On February 28 2018 01:11 D-light wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 01:08 Vindicare605 wrote: It's starting to look like a foreigner massacre today. Bracket 4 is looking pretty Korean dominated.
At this rate the Round of 24 will have maybe 6 foreigners at most. Already 6 in ro24 (Elazer, Nerchio, uThermal and Showtime from server qualifiers, Serral and Heromarine from offline qualifiers)
Oh my bad I forgot Elazer.
Well then maybe 7 at the rate this is going. 8 tops which I guess wouldn't be THAT bad 33% representation.
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Looks like nobody from NA will make it through
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Oh shoot Harstem being a bracket buster again lol.
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On February 28 2018 01:13 Diabolique wrote: The year of Harstem again? Again for the sixth or seventh year in a row somehow!
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OMG, soO has to play Cure now. It's all difficult matches from now on.
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If mizenhauer kills himself, who will write GSL recaps?
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On February 28 2018 01:15 Ej_ wrote: If mizenhauer kills himself, who will write GSL recaps? His ghost.
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Hope we get TY Zest & soO into group B
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If soO fails to qualify this is the worst tournament of the year!
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On February 28 2018 00:42 D-light wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 00:36 Pandain wrote: Special-Bunny is one of those matches where everyone will feel absolutely great if special wins, and absolutely terrible if he loses, with very few people thinking otherwise. Fan-favorite foreigner vs nameless korean Eh, there's certainly a portion of people who aren't fans of Special for different reasons, and will take a nameless and faceless korean terran before him. I want Bunny to win, not a fan of Special
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How on earth did harstem beat soO?!
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On February 28 2018 01:15 Ej_ wrote: If mizenhauer kills himself, who will write GSL recaps? soO
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On February 28 2018 01:22 Ansibled wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 01:15 Ej_ wrote: If mizenhauer kills himself, who will write GSL recaps? soO
The articles will saddly only be second best
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On February 28 2018 01:15 D-light wrote:Again for the sixth or seventh year in a row somehow! He is just sooooO good!
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On February 28 2018 01:24 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 01:22 Ansibled wrote:On February 28 2018 01:15 Ej_ wrote: If mizenhauer kills himself, who will write GSL recaps? soO The articles will saddly only be second best
Every article will be the best ever writen except for the final recap, it will be shit
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Sweet, come back home to see my boy Harstem has beaten soO! Were they good games or just some lame cheesefest series?
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On February 28 2018 01:28 Fyzar wrote: Sweet, come back home to see my boy Harstem has beaten soO! Were they good games or just some lame cheesefest series? soO cheesed and lost
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On February 28 2018 01:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 01:28 Fyzar wrote: Sweet, come back home to see my boy Harstem has beaten soO! Were they good games or just some lame cheesefest series? soO cheesed and lost Ahh gotcha, not a great series then I assume?
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Special out-scv'ing Bunny.
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special's play is so similar to TY's
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Special can't lose this at this point
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Two more foreigners will qualify today?!
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On February 28 2018 01:35 Fango wrote: Special can't lose this at this point Never underestimate foreigners' ability to throw mate.
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Oof that was an aaaawful fight to take for Bunny
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first mizenhauer now rip duurnu
who's next!?
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Special sooo many clutch victory
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What a throwing contest. Entertaining af though.
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On February 28 2018 01:44 Penev wrote: first mizenhauer now rip duurnu
who's next!? The people of the united states.
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Kind of off topic but, Is the winner really getting 150k? o_O
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Wow, just saw what happened in last few hours. Only one of Neeb and soO will advance. O.o
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On February 28 2018 01:46 StarscreamG1 wrote: Kind of off topic but, Is the winner really getting 150k? o_O Yes. Of 400k prize pool
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On February 28 2018 01:46 HolydaKing wrote: Wow, just saw what happened in last few hours. Only one of Neeb and soO will advance. O.o Perfect.
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On February 28 2018 01:50 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 01:46 HolydaKing wrote: Wow, just saw what happened in last few hours. Only one of Neeb and soO will advance. O.o Perfect. Neither one will, ez lower bracket for Losira.
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On February 28 2018 00:36 Pandain wrote: Special-Bunny is one of those matches where everyone will feel absolutely great if special wins, and absolutely terrible if he loses, with very few people thinking otherwise. Fan-favorite foreigner vs nameless korean Bunny
How many times now has Neeb lost to Hurricane in some kind of qualifier?
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On February 28 2018 00:36 Pandain wrote: Special-Bunny is one of those matches where everyone will feel absolutely great if special wins, and absolutely terrible if he loses, with very few people thinking otherwise. Fan-favorite foreigner vs nameless korean
Bunny is probably one of the best personalities in the korean scene right now. He just doesn't get much of a chance to show it because he never does well in tournaments.
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What's hilarious is that Aligulac still gives Neeb a 75% chance of beating Hurricane in a best of 3 despite him never doing so.
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Thanks.
Finally the Protoss bracket is here. Hoping for Trap, Harstem and Hurricane (like) or Neeb (more potential for interesting matches against non P).
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On February 28 2018 01:54 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 00:36 Pandain wrote: Special-Bunny is one of those matches where everyone will feel absolutely great if special wins, and absolutely terrible if he loses, with very few people thinking otherwise. Fan-favorite foreigner vs nameless korean Bunny is probably one of the best personalities in the korean scene right now. He just doesn't get much of a chance to show it because he never does well in tournaments.
Is he a newer player? I don't really remember him.
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On February 28 2018 01:54 DieuCure wrote: Cure is so unlucky. Don't worry he will win code s next season
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On February 28 2018 01:55 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 01:54 Fango wrote:On February 28 2018 00:36 Pandain wrote: Special-Bunny is one of those matches where everyone will feel absolutely great if special wins, and absolutely terrible if he loses, with very few people thinking otherwise. Fan-favorite foreigner vs nameless korean Bunny is probably one of the best personalities in the korean scene right now. He just doesn't get much of a chance to show it because he never does well in tournaments. Is he a newer player? I don't really remember him. I remember Bunny vs Bunny confusion so he has played for long time.
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i don't think bunny threw that game, to me a throw is when you should naturally win assuming you play the game out standard but instead you mess up from a favorable position. because tvt is so chaotic there was never really a point where bunny had a clear path to push in and win, he was never that far ahead. he was dealing with crazy harassment at home and didn't have a stronger economy (up a base but fewer workers), and armies were split all over the map
ive been saying since the beginning of lotv that because the game is mechanically harder now people are going to incorrectly see games like this as "sloppy" when in reality even the highest level players are doing too much to execute everything crisply
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On February 28 2018 01:56 The_Red_Viper wrote:Don't worry he will win code s next season
I hope so
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On February 28 2018 01:55 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 01:54 Fango wrote:On February 28 2018 00:36 Pandain wrote: Special-Bunny is one of those matches where everyone will feel absolutely great if special wins, and absolutely terrible if he loses, with very few people thinking otherwise. Fan-favorite foreigner vs nameless korean Bunny is probably one of the best personalities in the korean scene right now. He just doesn't get much of a chance to show it because he never does well in tournaments. Is he a newer player? I don't really remember him. No, he played for CJ Entus in proleague
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On February 28 2018 01:58 brickrd wrote: i don't think bunny threw that game, to me a throw is when you should naturally win assuming you play the game out standard but instead you mess up from a favorable position. I'd say it's also a throw if you walk into 5 siege tanks and a liberator and a game goes from "you have a slight advantage" to "you're absolutely dead now"
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which stream had losira vs trap?
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You don't have to be miles ahead to throw a game. Being in a good position and then making one bad decision that loses everything is a throw
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On February 28 2018 02:03 Fango wrote: You don't have to be miles ahead to throw a game. Being in a good position and then making one bad decision that loses everything is a throw Especially when it's really really bad one decision.
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On February 28 2018 01:54 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 00:36 Pandain wrote: Special-Bunny is one of those matches where everyone will feel absolutely great if special wins, and absolutely terrible if he loses, with very few people thinking otherwise. Fan-favorite foreigner vs nameless korean Bunny is probably one of the best personalities in the korean scene right now. He just doesn't get much of a chance to show it because he never does well in tournaments. Yeah I really hope Bunny can find some success this year
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On February 28 2018 02:03 Saggymidgetbooty6969 wrote: which stream had losira vs trap? Match is over, Trap won
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On February 28 2018 02:01 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 01:55 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On February 28 2018 01:54 Fango wrote:On February 28 2018 00:36 Pandain wrote: Special-Bunny is one of those matches where everyone will feel absolutely great if special wins, and absolutely terrible if he loses, with very few people thinking otherwise. Fan-favorite foreigner vs nameless korean Bunny is probably one of the best personalities in the korean scene right now. He just doesn't get much of a chance to show it because he never does well in tournaments. Is he a newer player? I don't really remember him. No, he played for CJ Entus in proleague
Oh yeah, now I remember.
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Also looks like we will get 3 Koreans advancing out of bracket 4 which is nice
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On February 28 2018 02:08 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 02:03 Saggymidgetbooty6969 wrote: which stream had losira vs trap? Match is over, Trap won yeah i know, want to watch vod but dunno which stream
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I dont know what to say if Patience qualifies
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Harstem got some big balls
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That is a ridiculous amount of Disruptors.
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Traps plan does not seem to be working here.
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Great game from Harstem here, looking great
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How do you even beat this?
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I really love Disruptors. LotV PvP is best PvP.
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On February 28 2018 02:22 usopsama wrote: Fucking Bunny. Zoophilia is against the law
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Harstem looks like an evil version of Rotterdam
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It's so sad for Cure
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On February 28 2018 02:25 iamho wrote: Harstem looks like an evil version of Rotterdam Wat
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RagnaroK
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trying to use disruptors smh
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Spire will be so good against this
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RIP in pieces soO
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This should be a fantastic position for Harstem from now on.
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ofc Losira knocks out soO.
soO may be a ZvZ god but Losira's always got his bag of crazy shit
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On February 28 2018 02:43 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: ofc Losira knocks out soO.
soO may be a ZvZ god but Losira's always got his bag of crazy shit my bet is that it was an awful series and soo just roach to some random roach all-ins
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soO is hiding strats for GSL
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when is Patience - Losira playing? Is it possible to find which stream it will be on?
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lol Trap just walks in against a bigger army and kills the third by zoning with balls
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koreans are just superior at disruptor wars
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fuck that escalated quickly gg Trap
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Nice play Trap, that was a good game
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that looked quite full foreignerlike
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holy trap that last game with BALLS
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TRAP!!! All good Jin Air players are in the tournament!
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I love Disruptor PvP so much.
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Trap learned how to PvP after Kespa Cup
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On February 28 2018 02:51 Charoisaur wrote: koreans are just superior at disruptor wars They have finally closed that gap.
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Fucking soO!! I was counting on you to slaughter those dirty foreigners!!! How can you get slaughtered instead.
Dark and Maru are still the most reliable foreigner-killers.
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On February 28 2018 02:52 Diabolique wrote: TRAP!!! All good Jin Air players are in the tournament! Yeah even TRUE made it
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On February 28 2018 02:57 D-light wrote: Let's go Ragnarok! Yeah i am also a big ragnarok fan
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wowow im so surprised Neeb won that!
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Zerg players fucking up hard today
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Okay Harstem just go ezpz 2-0.
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On February 28 2018 02:59 vult wrote: wowow im so surprised Neeb won that! Never doubt the power of lasers.
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neeb looking off today, harstem has a really good chance imo
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On February 28 2018 02:55 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 02:52 Diabolique wrote: TRAP!!! All good Jin Air players are in the tournament! Yeah even TRUE made it I was going to deport TRUE back to foreignerland, but somehow, miraculously, he advanced.
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i hope Patience or Losira can make it 3/3 for koreans, would be crazy to see Losira advance
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On February 28 2018 03:00 sudete wrote: neeb looking off today, harstem has a really good chance imo
Neeb is a god in disruptor wars in PvP though
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On February 28 2018 03:01 usopsama wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 02:55 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 28 2018 02:52 Diabolique wrote: TRAP!!! All good Jin Air players are in the tournament! Yeah even TRUE made it I was going to deport TRUE back to foreignerland, but somehow, miraculously, he advanced. We just need him to win this super hard, and then he'll be the #1 in everyone's hearts.
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I want a Losira interview
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On February 28 2018 03:02 Penev wrote: I want a Losira interview He doesn't have a face tho. I think we should have another Scarlett interview.
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On February 28 2018 03:02 Penev wrote: I want a Losira interview And maybe more pics. Preferably of him with his arms around a body pillow, so we finally know who the REAL best girl is..
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On February 28 2018 03:03 Durnuu wrote:He doesn't have a face tho. I think we should have another Scarlett interview. With that voice you don't need a face
my ovaries :o
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Wtf happened to soO? Was he just playing badly?
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On February 28 2018 03:00 sudete wrote: neeb looking off today, harstem has a really good chance imo
Think neeb has looked off since blizzcon doesnt seem to be his early-mid 2017 self
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On February 28 2018 03:04 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:03 Durnuu wrote:On February 28 2018 03:02 Penev wrote: I want a Losira interview He doesn't have a face tho. I think we should have another Scarlett interview. With that voice you don't need a face my ovaries :o Just win him with your feminine charm.
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If losira doesn't qualify after knocking out a top 2 Zerg i'm gonna be the saltiest yet.
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On February 28 2018 03:10 Fango wrote: If losira doesn't qualify after knocking out a top 2 Zerg i'm gonna be the saltiest yet. I love soO but his play today wasn't inspiring at all Didn't see the match vs losira though
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Did PiG just define Zest as a macro protoss? :D
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On February 28 2018 03:05 Fango wrote: Wtf happened to soO? Was he just playing badly? GSL Ro8 curse, it's claimed 3 now
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Trap going through is nice, but I'm somehow even more happy for Hurricane.
Another really dedicated player that keeps working hard despite not having a huge fanbase or any great results. Hopefully it will pay off sooner or later.
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On February 28 2018 03:11 sneakyfox wrote: Did PiG just define Zest as a macro protoss? :D Marco = economy.
Zest typically has more money in his bank than anyone else.
Therefore Zest is macro protoss.
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On February 28 2018 03:13 intotheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:11 sneakyfox wrote: Did PiG just define Zest as a macro protoss? :D Marco = economy. Zest typically has more money in his bank than anyone else. Therefore Zest is macro protoss. makes sense
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On February 28 2018 03:13 intotheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:11 sneakyfox wrote: Did PiG just define Zest as a macro protoss? :D Marco = economy. Zest typically has more money in his bank than anyone else. Therefore Zest is macro protoss.
seems legit
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On February 28 2018 03:13 intotheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:11 sneakyfox wrote: Did PiG just define Zest as a macro protoss? :D Marco = economy. Polo = control
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Sometimes you just gotta look at it from a different point of view, you know?
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On February 28 2018 03:13 intotheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:11 sneakyfox wrote: Did PiG just define Zest as a macro protoss? :D Marco = economy. Zest typically has more money in his bank than anyone else. Therefore Zest is macro protoss. This is accurate.
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On February 28 2018 03:15 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:13 intotheheart wrote:On February 28 2018 03:11 sneakyfox wrote: Did PiG just define Zest as a macro protoss? :D Marco = economy. Zest typically has more money in his bank than anyone else. Therefore Zest is macro protoss. makes sense Zest is that one paranoid guy who puts all his money under his mattress instead of investing in assets.
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On February 28 2018 03:13 Musicus wrote: Trap going through is nice, but I'm somehow even more happy for Hurricane.
Another really dedicated player that keeps working hard despite not having a huge fanbase or any great results. Hopefully it will pay off sooner or later. if only Bunny had managed to advance as well
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On February 28 2018 03:11 sneakyfox wrote: Did PiG just define Zest as a macro protoss? :D
That's not nearly as absurd as you make it sound. He's more of a macro player than a cheeser.
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On February 28 2018 03:19 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:11 sneakyfox wrote: Did PiG just define Zest as a macro protoss? :D That's not nearly as absurd as you make it sound. He's more of a macro player than a cheeser. Hard to be a cheeser if you only know 3 builds.
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Should I feel bad for soO or mizenhauer?
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On February 28 2018 03:21 Fango wrote: Should I feel bad for soO or mizenhauer? soO
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On February 28 2018 03:21 Fango wrote: Should I feel bad for soO or mizenhauer? Better to fail than get 2nd
So Mizen
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It hurts to see two archons die to 3 hydras... Pull em back man
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losira is going full foreigner?
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Patience vs Losira is painful to watch..
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I can't believe Losira is blowing this game
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This is really not pretty.
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On February 28 2018 03:21 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:19 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:11 sneakyfox wrote: Did PiG just define Zest as a macro protoss? :D That's not nearly as absurd as you make it sound. He's more of a macro player than a cheeser. Hard to be a cheeser if you only know 3 builds. Don't need builds when you're handsome.
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On February 28 2018 03:25 Charoisaur wrote: Patience vs Losira is painful to watch.. It's the Blaze vs Sleep of modern times.
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this game is so bad, I can´t believe they made it this far
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are they going to draw the players into groups today after the games?
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On February 28 2018 03:27 starkiller123 wrote: are they going to draw the players into groups today after the games? I'm already looking forward to the glorious rigging
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On February 28 2018 03:21 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:19 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:11 sneakyfox wrote: Did PiG just define Zest as a macro protoss? :D That's not nearly as absurd as you make it sound. He's more of a macro player than a cheeser. Hard to be a cheeser if you only know 3 builds.
That's about all the PvZ builds, so why learn any more?
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On February 28 2018 03:19 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:11 sneakyfox wrote: Did PiG just define Zest as a macro protoss? :D That's not nearly as absurd as you make it sound. He's more of a macro player than a cheeser.
There are other options. I mean Zest relies much more on unit control than macro, and he rarely goes for the big macro-lategame. Sometimes he even stops macroing altogether...
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On February 28 2018 03:28 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:19 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:11 sneakyfox wrote: Did PiG just define Zest as a macro protoss? :D That's not nearly as absurd as you make it sound. He's more of a macro player than a cheeser. There are other options. I mean Zest relies much more on unit control than macro, and he rarely goes for the big macro-lategame. Sometimes he even stops macroing altogether... #ZestMacro
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On February 28 2018 03:27 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:27 starkiller123 wrote: are they going to draw the players into groups today after the games? I'm already looking forward to the glorious rigging Group of 6 zerg somehow.
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On February 28 2018 03:28 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:19 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:11 sneakyfox wrote: Did PiG just define Zest as a macro protoss? :D That's not nearly as absurd as you make it sound. He's more of a macro player than a cheeser. There are other options. I mean Zest relies much more on unit control than macro, and he rarely goes for the big macro-lategame. Sometimes he even stops macroing altogether... "sometimes"
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Austria24413 Posts
On February 28 2018 03:28 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:19 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:11 sneakyfox wrote: Did PiG just define Zest as a macro protoss? :D That's not nearly as absurd as you make it sound. He's more of a macro player than a cheeser. There are other options. I mean Zest relies much more on unit control than macro, and he rarely goes for the big macro-lategame. Sometimes he even stops macroing altogether...
He floats money midgame, but that doesn't make him not a macro player. I disagree he relies more on control, it's his game management that wins games.
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On February 28 2018 03:28 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:21 Ej_ wrote:On February 28 2018 03:19 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:11 sneakyfox wrote: Did PiG just define Zest as a macro protoss? :D That's not nearly as absurd as you make it sound. He's more of a macro player than a cheeser. Hard to be a cheeser if you only know 3 builds. That's about all the PvZ builds, so why learn any more? That's the difference between Zest and Bisu though... One revolutionized PvZ and the other looks good
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soO looking rough.. good luck vs. scarlett when you lost 2-0 to Losira haha.
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On February 28 2018 03:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:28 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:21 Ej_ wrote:On February 28 2018 03:19 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:11 sneakyfox wrote: Did PiG just define Zest as a macro protoss? :D That's not nearly as absurd as you make it sound. He's more of a macro player than a cheeser. Hard to be a cheeser if you only know 3 builds. That's about all the PvZ builds, so why learn any more? That's the difference between Zest and Bisu though... One revolutionized PvZ and the other looks good
Bisu is hotter than Zest.
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On February 28 2018 03:32 youngjiddle wrote: soO looking rough.. good luck vs. scarlett when you lost 2-0 to Losira haha. Scarlett lost 2-0 to Guru, so she's not doing much better.
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On February 28 2018 03:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:28 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:21 Ej_ wrote:On February 28 2018 03:19 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:11 sneakyfox wrote: Did PiG just define Zest as a macro protoss? :D That's not nearly as absurd as you make it sound. He's more of a macro player than a cheeser. Hard to be a cheeser if you only know 3 builds. That's about all the PvZ builds, so why learn any more? That's the difference between Zest and Bisu though... One revolutionized PvZ and the other looks good
It's hard to look good AND revolutionize PvZ. You'd have to be HerO.
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On February 28 2018 03:32 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 28 2018 03:28 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:21 Ej_ wrote:On February 28 2018 03:19 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:11 sneakyfox wrote: Did PiG just define Zest as a macro protoss? :D That's not nearly as absurd as you make it sound. He's more of a macro player than a cheeser. Hard to be a cheeser if you only know 3 builds. That's about all the PvZ builds, so why learn any more? That's the difference between Zest and Bisu though... One revolutionized PvZ and the other looks good Bisu is hotter than Zest. Different types of attractive to be honest. Bisu's more fly, while Zest has that animalistic thing going on.
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On February 28 2018 03:32 youngjiddle wrote: soO looking rough.. good luck vs. scarlett when you lost 2-0 to Losira haha. lmao i mean Scarlett lost to Guru and TRUE, i think she has more to worry about than soO does
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On February 28 2018 03:33 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:32 youngjiddle wrote: soO looking rough.. good luck vs. scarlett when you lost 2-0 to Losira haha. Scarlett lost 2-0 to Guru, so she's not doing much better. Losing to a Polish Zerg is inevitable, they're always coming to ruin your day.
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On February 28 2018 03:33 intotheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:32 Heartland wrote:On February 28 2018 03:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 28 2018 03:28 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:21 Ej_ wrote:On February 28 2018 03:19 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:11 sneakyfox wrote: Did PiG just define Zest as a macro protoss? :D That's not nearly as absurd as you make it sound. He's more of a macro player than a cheeser. Hard to be a cheeser if you only know 3 builds. That's about all the PvZ builds, so why learn any more? That's the difference between Zest and Bisu though... One revolutionized PvZ and the other looks good Bisu is hotter than Zest. Different types of attractive to be honest. Bisu's more fly, while Zest has that animalistic thing going on. You're so gay.
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On February 28 2018 03:28 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:21 Ej_ wrote:On February 28 2018 03:19 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:11 sneakyfox wrote: Did PiG just define Zest as a macro protoss? :D That's not nearly as absurd as you make it sound. He's more of a macro player than a cheeser. Hard to be a cheeser if you only know 3 builds. That's about all the PvZ builds, so why learn any more? I meant for all 3 matchups.
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On February 28 2018 03:33 intotheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:32 Heartland wrote:On February 28 2018 03:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 28 2018 03:28 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:21 Ej_ wrote:On February 28 2018 03:19 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:11 sneakyfox wrote: Did PiG just define Zest as a macro protoss? :D That's not nearly as absurd as you make it sound. He's more of a macro player than a cheeser. Hard to be a cheeser if you only know 3 builds. That's about all the PvZ builds, so why learn any more? That's the difference between Zest and Bisu though... One revolutionized PvZ and the other looks good Bisu is hotter than Zest. Different types of attractive to be honest. Bisu's more fly, while Zest has that animalistic thing going on.
What's up heartbro?
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On February 28 2018 03:33 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 28 2018 03:28 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:21 Ej_ wrote:On February 28 2018 03:19 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:11 sneakyfox wrote: Did PiG just define Zest as a macro protoss? :D That's not nearly as absurd as you make it sound. He's more of a macro player than a cheeser. Hard to be a cheeser if you only know 3 builds. That's about all the PvZ builds, so why learn any more? That's the difference between Zest and Bisu though... One revolutionized PvZ and the other looks good It's hard to look good AND revolutionize PvZ. You'd have to be HerO. I expect like 6-7 hours for the Zest history video btw
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On February 28 2018 03:34 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:33 intotheheart wrote:On February 28 2018 03:32 Heartland wrote:On February 28 2018 03:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 28 2018 03:28 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:21 Ej_ wrote:On February 28 2018 03:19 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:11 sneakyfox wrote: Did PiG just define Zest as a macro protoss? :D That's not nearly as absurd as you make it sound. He's more of a macro player than a cheeser. Hard to be a cheeser if you only know 3 builds. That's about all the PvZ builds, so why learn any more? That's the difference between Zest and Bisu though... One revolutionized PvZ and the other looks good Bisu is hotter than Zest. Different types of attractive to be honest. Bisu's more fly, while Zest has that animalistic thing going on. What's up heartbro? Not a lot, trying to figure out an assignment. What about you?
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What we learned this IEM is that GSL is fucking worthless compared to a WCS.
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Austria24413 Posts
On February 28 2018 03:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:33 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 28 2018 03:28 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:21 Ej_ wrote:On February 28 2018 03:19 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:11 sneakyfox wrote: Did PiG just define Zest as a macro protoss? :D That's not nearly as absurd as you make it sound. He's more of a macro player than a cheeser. Hard to be a cheeser if you only know 3 builds. That's about all the PvZ builds, so why learn any more? That's the difference between Zest and Bisu though... One revolutionized PvZ and the other looks good It's hard to look good AND revolutionize PvZ. You'd have to be HerO. I expect like 6-7 hours for the Zest history video btw
HerO honestly impacted the metagame a lot more than Zest ever did. I'd argue more than anyone else.
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On February 28 2018 03:36 Ej_ wrote: What we learned this IEM is that GSL is fucking worthless compared to a WCS. Apollo must be so proud of his work
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On February 28 2018 03:36 intotheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:34 Heartland wrote:On February 28 2018 03:33 intotheheart wrote:On February 28 2018 03:32 Heartland wrote:On February 28 2018 03:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 28 2018 03:28 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:21 Ej_ wrote:On February 28 2018 03:19 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:11 sneakyfox wrote: Did PiG just define Zest as a macro protoss? :D That's not nearly as absurd as you make it sound. He's more of a macro player than a cheeser. Hard to be a cheeser if you only know 3 builds. That's about all the PvZ builds, so why learn any more? That's the difference between Zest and Bisu though... One revolutionized PvZ and the other looks good Bisu is hotter than Zest. Different types of attractive to be honest. Bisu's more fly, while Zest has that animalistic thing going on. What's up heartbro? Not a lot, trying to figure out an assignment. What about you?
Paying bills. Watching Starcraft.
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On February 28 2018 03:33 intotheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:32 Heartland wrote:On February 28 2018 03:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 28 2018 03:28 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:21 Ej_ wrote:On February 28 2018 03:19 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:11 sneakyfox wrote: Did PiG just define Zest as a macro protoss? :D That's not nearly as absurd as you make it sound. He's more of a macro player than a cheeser. Hard to be a cheeser if you only know 3 builds. That's about all the PvZ builds, so why learn any more? That's the difference between Zest and Bisu though... One revolutionized PvZ and the other looks good Bisu is hotter than Zest. Different types of attractive to be honest. Bisu's more fly, while Zest has that animalistic thing going on. Bisu is incredibly overrated + Show Spoiler + Look at this...
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On February 28 2018 03:36 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 28 2018 03:33 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 28 2018 03:28 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:21 Ej_ wrote:On February 28 2018 03:19 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:11 sneakyfox wrote: Did PiG just define Zest as a macro protoss? :D That's not nearly as absurd as you make it sound. He's more of a macro player than a cheeser. Hard to be a cheeser if you only know 3 builds. That's about all the PvZ builds, so why learn any more? That's the difference between Zest and Bisu though... One revolutionized PvZ and the other looks good It's hard to look good AND revolutionize PvZ. You'd have to be HerO. I expect like 6-7 hours for the Zest history video btw HerO honestly impacted the metagame a lot more than Zest ever did. I'd argue more than anyone else. He probably just took Mvp's builds.
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On February 28 2018 03:37 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:33 intotheheart wrote:On February 28 2018 03:32 Heartland wrote:On February 28 2018 03:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 28 2018 03:28 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:21 Ej_ wrote:On February 28 2018 03:19 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:11 sneakyfox wrote: Did PiG just define Zest as a macro protoss? :D That's not nearly as absurd as you make it sound. He's more of a macro player than a cheeser. Hard to be a cheeser if you only know 3 builds. That's about all the PvZ builds, so why learn any more? That's the difference between Zest and Bisu though... One revolutionized PvZ and the other looks good Bisu is hotter than Zest. Different types of attractive to be honest. Bisu's more fly, while Zest has that animalistic thing going on. Bisu is incredibly overrated + Show Spoiler + Look at this...
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36671 Posts
IIRC, it is not possible to pick up an archon if it's still morphing, correct?
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On February 28 2018 03:39 Seeker wrote: IIRC, it is not possible to pick up an archon if it's still morphing, correct? Correct.
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On February 28 2018 03:38 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:37 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 28 2018 03:33 intotheheart wrote:On February 28 2018 03:32 Heartland wrote:On February 28 2018 03:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 28 2018 03:28 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:21 Ej_ wrote:On February 28 2018 03:19 Olli wrote:On February 28 2018 03:11 sneakyfox wrote: Did PiG just define Zest as a macro protoss? :D That's not nearly as absurd as you make it sound. He's more of a macro player than a cheeser. Hard to be a cheeser if you only know 3 builds. That's about all the PvZ builds, so why learn any more? That's the difference between Zest and Bisu though... One revolutionized PvZ and the other looks good Bisu is hotter than Zest. Different types of attractive to be honest. Bisu's more fly, while Zest has that animalistic thing going on. Bisu is incredibly overrated + Show Spoiler + Look at this... The haircut is mvp on this picture tbh, other than that...
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I see the Mondragon Counter still works.
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Austria24413 Posts
On February 28 2018 03:40 Fanatic-Templar wrote: I see the Mondragon Counter still works.
Always has, always will
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On February 28 2018 03:39 Seeker wrote: IIRC, it is not possible to pick up an archon if it's still morphing, correct? and you can't cancel the morph either
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I feel like I'm in the Nada's body thread
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On February 28 2018 03:41 Penev wrote: I feel like I'm in the Nada's body thread Shame we ran out of material on that one.
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On February 28 2018 03:41 Penev wrote: I feel like I'm in the Nada's body thread NaDa is like way better looking than Bisu, don't insult the Otter Terran
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Even more beautiful than watching Zergs die to laz0rs.
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I'm loving the cyber core kills from Losira, really well timed
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On February 28 2018 03:43 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:41 Penev wrote: I feel like I'm in the Nada's body thread NaDa is like way better looking than Bisu, don't insult the Otter Terran report me
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On February 28 2018 03:39 Seeker wrote: IIRC, it is not possible to pick up an archon if it's still morphing, correct? yea, you can't pick up any temporary/transforming units, which are technically the same thing in the game code
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This series is something else.
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I wonder if during these ling allin situations if it's better to just build a void ray instead for the constant attack instead of the on-and-off oracles
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One of these players 2-0d soO.
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I feel like the 3 hatch version is way better
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Good ol' microing your macro
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On February 28 2018 03:47 Ej_ wrote: One of these players 2-0d soO. The one who is losing this right after that.
ffs
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I was too busy buying Chrono Trigger, how did Losira lose this
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And Patience will be stomped as soon as he plays a strong opponent.
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On February 28 2018 03:52 Penev wrote: my interview :/ You still have your body pillows.
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On February 28 2018 03:52 chipmonklord17 wrote: I was too busy buying Chrono Trigger, how did Losira lose this Wall > lings
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On February 28 2018 03:54 D-light wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:52 chipmonklord17 wrote: I was too busy buying Chrono Trigger, how did Losira lose this Wall > lings
But he broke the wall a couple of times no?
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Erm did I just saw somebody's password in notepad?
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On February 28 2018 03:55 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:54 D-light wrote:On February 28 2018 03:52 chipmonklord17 wrote: I was too busy buying Chrono Trigger, how did Losira lose this Wall > lings But he broke the wall a couple of times no? he ran out of units before oracles ran out of energy
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On February 28 2018 03:55 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:54 D-light wrote:On February 28 2018 03:52 chipmonklord17 wrote: I was too busy buying Chrono Trigger, how did Losira lose this Wall > lings But he broke the wall a couple of times no? Doesn't matter when it's a never-ending wall.
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On February 28 2018 03:53 sneakyfox wrote: And Patience will be stomped as soon as he plays a strong opponent. Like Harstem or Neeb, or you mean stronger?
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Almost perfect balance coming from these 2 days, 5t, 3z, and 4p
edit: looks like main bracket is perfectly balanced 8/8/8
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I'm rooting for yearof now. Unfortunately people I started rooting for in this 4th bracket all tend to lose immediately
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so at day 2 from one bracket all protoss advanced and in another one Snute divorced the perfect balance for not making it
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United States32511 Posts
On February 28 2018 03:59 AUGcodon wrote: Almost perfect balance coming from these 2 days, 5t, 3z, and 4p
edit: looks like main bracket is perfectly balanced 8/8/8
ooooo
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On February 28 2018 04:03 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:59 AUGcodon wrote: Almost perfect balance coming from these 2 days, 5t, 3z, and 4p
edit: looks like main bracket is perfectly balanced 8/8/8 ooooo Praise DK!
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On February 28 2018 04:02 Mike L wrote: so at day 2 from one bracket all protoss advanced and in another one Snute divorced the perfect balance for not making it you could say he performed a force choke
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What is this balance? Three Terrans yesterday. Then three Zergs yesterday. Now three Protosses.
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So how they add those guys to the group stage? Bracket 1 goes to group A etc?
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On February 28 2018 03:59 Xamo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 03:53 sneakyfox wrote: And Patience will be stomped as soon as he plays a strong opponent. Like Harstem or Neeb, or you mean stronger?
I mean stronger. But yeah, he could lose to one of those two as well.
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On February 28 2018 04:06 buffzerg33 wrote: So how they add those guys to the group stage? Bracket A goes to group A etc?
No. Groups are getting drawn.
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On February 28 2018 04:09 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 04:06 buffzerg33 wrote: So how they add those guys to the group stage? Bracket A goes to group A etc? No. Groups are getting drawn.
Thx bro. Thats awsome!!! When?
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On February 28 2018 04:09 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 04:06 buffzerg33 wrote: So how they add those guys to the group stage? Bracket A goes to group A etc? No. Groups are getting drawn.
That just means they'll get rigged lol
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On February 28 2018 04:11 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 04:09 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On February 28 2018 04:06 buffzerg33 wrote: So how they add those guys to the group stage? Bracket A goes to group A etc? No. Groups are getting drawn. That just means they'll get rigged lol
If we get 6 zergs in group C would that be evidence of rigging or evidence against?
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Patience > Harstem/Losira > soO
Am I high or is this really happening
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On February 28 2018 04:12 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 04:11 Fango wrote:On February 28 2018 04:09 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On February 28 2018 04:06 buffzerg33 wrote: So how they add those guys to the group stage? Bracket A goes to group A etc? No. Groups are getting drawn. That just means they'll get rigged lol If we get 6 zergs in group C would that be evidence of rigging or evidence against?
Yes
Although why they choose to have a ZvZ group be the first thing the audience sees is beyond me.
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Nexus first low ground pylon.
hmm
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On February 28 2018 04:04 argonautdice wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 04:03 Waxangel wrote:On February 28 2018 03:59 AUGcodon wrote: Almost perfect balance coming from these 2 days, 5t, 3z, and 4p
edit: looks like main bracket is perfectly balanced 8/8/8 ooooo Praise DK! You mean Michael Scipione
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On February 28 2018 04:06 Diabolique wrote: What is this balance? Three Terrans yesterday. Then three Zergs yesterday. Now three Protosses. 8 protoss 8 zerg 8 terran
We are blessed.
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On February 28 2018 04:15 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 04:04 argonautdice wrote:On February 28 2018 04:03 Waxangel wrote:On February 28 2018 03:59 AUGcodon wrote: Almost perfect balance coming from these 2 days, 5t, 3z, and 4p
edit: looks like main bracket is perfectly balanced 8/8/8 ooooo Praise DK! You mean Michael Scipione Praise Scippy!
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Race distribution in the group stage is 8/8/8. 8/8/8 is a Terran build.
There's only one logical conclusion. Tesagi.
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On February 28 2018 04:16 D-light wrote: What is this shit? depends
are you looking into your toilet?
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On February 28 2018 04:16 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 04:15 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On February 28 2018 04:04 argonautdice wrote:On February 28 2018 04:03 Waxangel wrote:On February 28 2018 03:59 AUGcodon wrote: Almost perfect balance coming from these 2 days, 5t, 3z, and 4p
edit: looks like main bracket is perfectly balanced 8/8/8 ooooo Praise DK! You mean Michael Scipione Praise Scippy! Excuse me but his name is SetGuitarsToKim
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On February 28 2018 04:20 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 04:16 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On February 28 2018 04:15 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On February 28 2018 04:04 argonautdice wrote:On February 28 2018 04:03 Waxangel wrote:On February 28 2018 03:59 AUGcodon wrote: Almost perfect balance coming from these 2 days, 5t, 3z, and 4p
edit: looks like main bracket is perfectly balanced 8/8/8 ooooo Praise DK! You mean Michael Scipione Praise Scippy! Excuse me but his name is SetGuitarsToKim
This is my favorite meme
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36671 Posts
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for completeness it should be SetGuitarsToPardoBrowderKimScipione great event so far.
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Never anger Kevin the King
!@#
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On February 28 2018 04:24 Seeker wrote: !@#?
How is your son?
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On February 28 2018 04:20 Penev wrote:depends are you looking into your toilet? Yes.
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On February 28 2018 04:28 D-light wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 04:20 Penev wrote:On February 28 2018 04:16 D-light wrote: What is this shit? depends are you looking into your toilet? Yes. If it's clogged you should check for archons
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R O T T E R D A M B U I LD O R D ER
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I don't understand why that proxy Stargate isn't in the main.
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every single 3rd place qualifying match is a mirror matchup
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Make another pylon neeb?
Doesn't matter I guess.
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On February 28 2018 04:31 D-light wrote: Make another pylon neeb? tasteless and artosis dont need help
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Harstem pls do it for yurop
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Harstems void ray control has been quite bad
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Canada8774 Posts
Lazors on lazors on lazors on lazors
Amazing game
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Dutch Airforce status = rekt
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Fun game, but Harstem had too bad Void Ray control.
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poor harstem
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On February 28 2018 04:32 Nakajin wrote: Lazors on lazors on lazors on lazors
Amazing game
EVERYBODY DANCE NOW!
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He had a timer until Neeb's second cybercore finished?
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noregret vs bly pvp version
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Harstem looks shocked. Gotta feel a little bad
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On February 28 2018 04:31 Ej_ wrote:tasteless and artosis dont need help Had only one for a while there.
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On February 28 2018 04:32 sneakyfox wrote: Harstems void ray control has been quite bad
Yep, he threw it with a decision to hit'n'run with stalkers vs zealots, instead should've been micro voidrays (it was something around 2 stalkers and 1 centry vs 2 voidrays) and it would be over for neeb
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Neeb will beat Patience for sure.
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On February 28 2018 04:15 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 04:04 argonautdice wrote:On February 28 2018 04:03 Waxangel wrote:On February 28 2018 03:59 AUGcodon wrote: Almost perfect balance coming from these 2 days, 5t, 3z, and 4p
edit: looks like main bracket is perfectly balanced 8/8/8 ooooo Praise DK! You mean Michael Scipione Can't we just rename him to David Kim II.
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On February 28 2018 04:30 argonautdice wrote: every single 3rd place qualifying match is a mirror matchup
It's a ploy to quiet the balance whiners.
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On February 28 2018 04:35 leublix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 04:15 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On February 28 2018 04:04 argonautdice wrote:On February 28 2018 04:03 Waxangel wrote:On February 28 2018 03:59 AUGcodon wrote: Almost perfect balance coming from these 2 days, 5t, 3z, and 4p
edit: looks like main bracket is perfectly balanced 8/8/8 ooooo Praise DK! You mean Michael Scipione Can't we just rename him to David Kim II. Do you want him to become worse at his job?
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On February 28 2018 04:38 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 04:35 leublix wrote:On February 28 2018 04:15 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On February 28 2018 04:04 argonautdice wrote:On February 28 2018 04:03 Waxangel wrote:On February 28 2018 03:59 AUGcodon wrote: Almost perfect balance coming from these 2 days, 5t, 3z, and 4p
edit: looks like main bracket is perfectly balanced 8/8/8 ooooo Praise DK! You mean Michael Scipione Can't we just rename him to David Kim II. Do you want him to become worse at his job?
You're doing a great job man, don't worry about it.
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On February 28 2018 04:41 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 04:38 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On February 28 2018 04:35 leublix wrote:On February 28 2018 04:15 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On February 28 2018 04:04 argonautdice wrote:On February 28 2018 04:03 Waxangel wrote:On February 28 2018 03:59 AUGcodon wrote: Almost perfect balance coming from these 2 days, 5t, 3z, and 4p
edit: looks like main bracket is perfectly balanced 8/8/8 ooooo Praise DK! You mean Michael Scipione Can't we just rename him to David Kim II. Do you want him to become worse at his job? You're doing a great job man, don't worry about it. those ravens tho
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When will we know David Kim's new secret project though
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Just got into the scene again recently, whos david kim's replacement?
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On February 28 2018 04:49 AUGcodon wrote: Just got into the scene again recently, whos david kim's replacement?
One of TL:s finest!
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On February 28 2018 04:50 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 04:49 AUGcodon wrote: Just got into the scene again recently, whos david kim's replacement? One of TL:s finest!
But is he the undefeated Battle Report Champion? I think not.
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On February 28 2018 04:49 AUGcodon wrote: Just got into the scene again recently, whos david kim's replacement? Michael Scipione
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On February 28 2018 04:51 Heartland wrote: So no IEM tomorrow, or? Yeah tomorrow is off.
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United States32511 Posts
Suave Europeans buttoning their coat jackets
Slob Americans with open jackets
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On February 28 2018 04:54 Waxangel wrote:Suave Europeans buttoning their coat jackets Slob Americans with open jackets
What is it with Americans and not knowing how to dress anyway?
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This is starting to remind me of that one time where the entire GSL group was made of protoss
Minus the glorious play of the master, of course
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Neeb got rekt quite nicely.
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France12469 Posts
Foreigners favorites eliminated in mirror by bad koreans? Pls Neeb don't do a Scarlett
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On February 28 2018 05:03 sneakyfox wrote: This is starting to remind me of that one time where the entire GSL group was made of protoss
Minus the glorious play of the master, of course
Ah yes that one time last week.
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I still can't believe soO is fucking dead.
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On February 28 2018 05:04 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 05:03 sneakyfox wrote: This is starting to remind me of that one time where the entire GSL group was made of protoss
Minus the glorious play of the master, of course Ah yes that one time last week.
Seeing all these pvp's tonight, it's almost like there has never been played anything but pvp
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On February 28 2018 04:34 vult wrote: Neeb will beat Patience for sure.
I hope so. Patience took a game off of PvP God hurricane
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On February 28 2018 05:06 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 05:04 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On February 28 2018 05:03 sneakyfox wrote: This is starting to remind me of that one time where the entire GSL group was made of protoss
Minus the glorious play of the master, of course Ah yes that one time last week. Seeing all these pvp's tonight, it's almost like there has never been played anything but pvp Still better than the ZvZ fest of yesterday
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36671 Posts
Why would you kill your own shield battery like that...?
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Lol patience lets a DT into his main intentionally?
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lol neeb
I mean lol Patience
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Permanent invisible units xD
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PvP has surely improved a lot in watchability since WoL
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On February 28 2018 05:12 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Permanent invisible units xD It's okay because it was in BW though
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pvp becomes weirder every year
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Nice, shilling for warcraft. Are we gonna hype up heroes of the storm when IEM starts?
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Patience somehow looks as if he should be a Star Wars character.
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On February 28 2018 05:15 Heartland wrote: Patience somehow looks as if he should be a Star Wars character. yeah no kidding, dude could be selling information on the location of darth vaders corpse for 2 thousand credits
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Maybe he's the codebreaker they were supposed to find instead of Benicio del Toro
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On February 28 2018 05:16 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 05:15 Heartland wrote: Patience somehow looks as if he should be a Star Wars character. yeah no kidding, dude could be selling information on the location of darth vaders corpse for 2 thousand credits
Or possibly make some sort of weird noise while sitting in a bar with his buddy, the huge yellow and blue brute.
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On February 28 2018 05:20 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 05:16 Ej_ wrote:On February 28 2018 05:15 Heartland wrote: Patience somehow looks as if he should be a Star Wars character. yeah no kidding, dude could be selling information on the location of darth vaders corpse for 2 thousand credits Or possibly make some sort of weird noise while sitting in a bar with his buddy, the huge yellow and blue brute. That's a crude way to speak of iloveoov.
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On February 28 2018 05:16 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 05:15 Heartland wrote: Patience somehow looks as if he should be a Star Wars character. yeah no kidding, dude could be selling information on the location of darth vaders corpse for 2 thousand credits For some death sticks
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No repeat of yesterday, Neeb qualifies
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United States97248 Posts
Neeb in the losers bracket? wow biggest upset of the year
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Neeb Skywalker slices of another guys hands in a cantina.
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On February 28 2018 05:26 Heartland wrote: Neeb Skywalker slices of another guys hands in a cantina. That was Obi-Wan
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I guess Neeb had the high ground this whole time
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Great tournament to finally settle the foreigner vs. korean gap debate.
We have pretty much all the best foreigners(except Snute and Scarlett) versus all the best Koreans (minus soO/Stats)
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Lol PvP isnt really interesting, both had 20 zealots jiggling behind and one won the fight because you know he had a little more
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Neeb went full $O$ mindset lol
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On February 28 2018 05:29 DieuCure wrote: Lol PvP isnt really interesting, both had 20 zealots jiggling behind and one won the fight because you know he had a little more
That's just because they didn't make Disruptors. Disruptors are awesome.
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When are Round Robin group drawings?
Also perfect balance 8/8/8 of each race in RO24
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On February 28 2018 05:27 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 05:26 Heartland wrote: Neeb Skywalker slices of another guys hands in a cantina. That was Obi-Wan
Yes, but now we are talking about Neeb who's got Luke's hair.
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So we get a PvT and a PvZ group to determine balance .
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On February 28 2018 05:33 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 05:27 Elentos wrote:On February 28 2018 05:26 Heartland wrote: Neeb Skywalker slices of another guys hands in a cantina. That was Obi-Wan Yes, but now we are talking about Neeb who's got Luke's hair. that's Snute
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We better see Dark vs Innovation on stream
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On February 28 2018 05:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote:So we get a PvT and a PvZ group to determine balance .
Seems reasonable that Protoss would be trusted to determine balance. They have the Arbiters.
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Group C is here just to get a foreigner through the ro12, r*gged
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On February 28 2018 05:34 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 05:33 Heartland wrote:On February 28 2018 05:27 Elentos wrote:On February 28 2018 05:26 Heartland wrote: Neeb Skywalker slices of another guys hands in a cantina. That was Obi-Wan Yes, but now we are talking about Neeb who's got Luke's hair. that's Snute Think Snute has the ability to use the Force?
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I'm rooting for flagfi
meh it got fixed
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That group C ain't rigged
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Seriously, what's up with group A? wtf
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France12469 Posts
8P 8Z 8T? Very nice. Kinda sucks that they managed to have group A and C tho (didn't see if it was random)
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uthermal got fucked again I see
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I guess the groups are fairly even. B and D were way stronger before adding the new players. A and C definitely got the strongest players from the qualifiers. So it evens out.
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Serral is gonna rek group C.
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Pretty easy first place for Gumigod in A
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On February 28 2018 05:38 sneakyfox wrote: I guess the groups are fairly even. B and D were way stronger before adding the new players. A and C definitely got the strongest players from the qualifiers. So it evens out.
Group C is Code A
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On February 28 2018 05:29 DieuCure wrote: Lol PvP isnt really interesting, both had 20 zealots jiggling behind and one won the fight because you know he had a little more
I don't get stupid comments like this.
PvP is the most interesting mirror matchup though (but TvT has gotten better too). Making a comment like "one won the fight because he had a little more" is ironic because it sounds like you're talking about zvz roach vs roach.
Except in PvP there's tons of ways to get ahead and many openers that might end at a strong zealot charge army...
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On February 28 2018 05:39 youngjiddle wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 05:29 DieuCure wrote: Lol PvP isnt really interesting, both had 20 zealots jiggling behind and one won the fight because you know he had a little more I don't get stupid comments like this. PvP is the most interesting mirror matchup though (but TvT has gotten better too). Making a comment like "one won the fight because he had a little more" is ironic because it sounds like you're talking about zvz roach vs roach. Except in PvP there's tons of ways to get ahead and many openers that might end at a strong zealot charge army...
Welcome to DieuCure's posting!
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Does anyone know how the groups are paired in the brackets for the knockout phase? Or is it going to be a draw?
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Zest gets the zerg group ugh, hopefully he has improved.
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Just think about this....
These groups are stacked. Wait until the bottom half are eliminated and we are left with just 12 in brackets.
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The supposedly strongest foreigners got the easiest group
rigged again
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Group A = death to protoss
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On February 28 2018 05:37 Penev wrote: uthermal got fucked again I see Why? He has a decent shot to get 3rd. Special got fucked much more. Group D is hilariously weak.
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On February 28 2018 05:41 Penev wrote: The supposedly strongest foreigners got the easiest group
rigged again
No no it's totally random
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On February 28 2018 05:41 sneakyfox wrote: Does anyone know how the groups are paired in the brackets for the knockout phase? Or is it going to be a draw? you can look at last years tournament. had the same format. so might be the same bracket
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Group B is free for Dark and Innovation. Rest groups are stacked AF
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On February 28 2018 05:41 Penev wrote: The supposedly strongest foreigners got the easiest group
rigged again Nerchio and Serral, right?
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On February 28 2018 05:41 sneakyfox wrote: Does anyone know how the groups are paired in the brackets for the knockout phase? Or is it going to be a draw?
Yeah. Another draw with people finishing in first place in the groups going into the quarter finals, and people finishing 2nd and 3rd in the Ro12. Additional restriction that you can't face someone from your group in quarter finals, and each number 2 finisher is paired with a number 3 finisher from a different group or something like that.
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So let's see.
My picks:
Group A:
Maru/TY/Gumiho. Dear didn't look good in his last GSL group, Showtime and Special are outclassed in this group IMO. Tough draw for them, getting 3 of the 4 horsemen in their group.
Group B:
Dark/Innovation/Hurricane or Solar.
Group C:
Zest/Rogue/Impact
Zest and Rogue have pedigree. Impact looked outrageously strong when he qualified over all of the other contestants in the Korean qualifiers.
Group D:
sOs/Classic/Trap
The Protoss players in this group are just stronger than the opposition, however Elazer can be a definite dark horse. He looked really good at Pyeongchang, maybe can show some more of that form.
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On February 28 2018 05:43 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 05:41 Penev wrote: The supposedly strongest foreigners got the easiest group
rigged again Nerchio and Serral, right? Elazer and Heromarine
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On February 28 2018 05:42 Charoisaur wrote:Why? He has a decent shot to get 3rd. Special got fucked much more. Group D is hilariously weak. being fucked less doesn't mean not being fucked at all
anyway korean wise group C is the weakest
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On February 28 2018 05:39 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 05:39 youngjiddle wrote:On February 28 2018 05:29 DieuCure wrote: Lol PvP isnt really interesting, both had 20 zealots jiggling behind and one won the fight because you know he had a little more I don't get stupid comments like this. PvP is the most interesting mirror matchup though (but TvT has gotten better too). Making a comment like "one won the fight because he had a little more" is ironic because it sounds like you're talking about zvz roach vs roach. Except in PvP there's tons of ways to get ahead and many openers that might end at a strong zealot charge army... Welcome to DieuCure's posting!
I forget too often to not expect so much out of TL posters when discussing Protoss lol.
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On February 28 2018 05:36 DieuCure wrote: Group C is here just to get a foreigner through the ro12, r*gged
On February 28 2018 05:39 DieuCure wrote: Group C is Code A Tell us how you really feel, pls.
On February 28 2018 05:41 Penev wrote: The supposedly strongest foreigners got the easiest group
rigged again Dunno how many consider Nerchio and neeb to be the very strongest atm.
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On February 28 2018 05:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 05:41 sneakyfox wrote: Does anyone know how the groups are paired in the brackets for the knockout phase? Or is it going to be a draw? Yeah. Another draw with people finishing in first place in the groups going into the quarter finals, and people finishing 2nd and 3rd in the Ro12. Additional restriction that you can't face someone from your group in quarter finals, and each number 2 finisher is paired with a number 3 finisher from a different group or something like that.
great thanks!
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On February 28 2018 05:42 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 05:41 Penev wrote: The supposedly strongest foreigners got the easiest group
rigged again No no it's totally random
You mean the group rigging mafia cares about something other than rigging the bracket against Cure?
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But now we can dream of a final Maru vs TY
ZigguratOfUr, you can not deny the fact that Cure is unlucky between the GSL qualifiers and his IEM bracket
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On February 28 2018 05:46 D-light wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 05:36 DieuCure wrote: Group C is here just to get a foreigner through the ro12, r*gged Tell us how you really feel, pls. Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 05:41 Penev wrote: The supposedly strongest foreigners got the easiest group
rigged again Dunno how many consider Nerchio and neeb to be the very strongest atm. Neeb at ESL rigging headquarters? A lot
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Nah fam the real finals will be $O$ vs. the guy who will lose this tournament to him.
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On February 28 2018 05:50 DieuCure wrote:But now we can dream of a final Maru vs TY ZigguratOfUr, you can not deny the fact that Cure is unlucky between the GSL qualifiers and his IEM bracket Yeah playing LosirA and Billowy is real unlucky lmao
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On February 28 2018 05:52 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 05:50 DieuCure wrote:But now we can dream of a final Maru vs TY ZigguratOfUr, you can not deny the fact that Cure is unlucky between the GSL qualifiers and his IEM bracket Yeah playing LosirA and Billowy is real unlucky lmao
Day 1 he had toughest opponents.
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Zest in a PvZ group, that will end badly.
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I think we can all agree that Group D is good news for Elazer. His only strong Korean opponents are all Protoss players, his specialty.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36671 Posts
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Really disappointing groups. Group A is crazy, group C has no one special (just like last year).
Put TY, Maru, or Innovation in group C and I wouldn't be suprised if they went10-0
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On February 28 2018 05:42 Charoisaur wrote:Why? He has a decent shot to get 3rd. Special got fucked much more. Group D is hilariously weak.
How does he have a decent shot at getting 3rd? His chances at beating even one of Dark, Solar or INnoVation are incredibly slim.
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So let's see,
My picks:
Group A:
Showtime/Special/Dear, Gumiho didn't look good in his last GSL group, TY and Maru are outclassed in this group IMO. Tough draw for them, getting 3 of the many foreigner gods in their group.
Group B: Uthermal/True/Hurricane
Group C:
Nerchio/Serral/Neeb
Neeb and Serral have pedigree. Nerchio looked outrageously strong when he qualified over all of the other contestants in the WCS qualifiers.
Group D:
Elazer/Heromarine/Ryung
The foreigner players in this group are just stronger than the opposition, however Trap can be a definite dark horse. He looked really good at Pyeongchang, maybe can show some more of that form.
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Salty about TY/Dear/Maru/Gumiho/Dark/Inno playing on day one. Literally all the players I care about (minus zest I guess, but I have no faith in him).
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lol poor Ryung, got all the best Protoss in one group, also Special is fucked
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If Zest gets his shit together the KR only ro12 dream can become true. Though it's fun to see foreigners getting embarassed in longer series so it may be okay if some sneak through.
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France12469 Posts
On February 28 2018 06:19 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 05:42 Charoisaur wrote:On February 28 2018 05:37 Penev wrote: uthermal got fucked again I see Why? He has a decent shot to get 3rd. Special got fucked much more. Group D is hilariously weak. How does he have a decent shot at getting 3rd? His chances at beating even one of Dark, Solar or INnoVation are incredibly slim. Isn't he positive against INno?
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On February 28 2018 06:34 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 06:19 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On February 28 2018 05:42 Charoisaur wrote:On February 28 2018 05:37 Penev wrote: uthermal got fucked again I see Why? He has a decent shot to get 3rd. Special got fucked much more. Group D is hilariously weak. How does he have a decent shot at getting 3rd? His chances at beating even one of Dark, Solar or INnoVation are incredibly slim. Isn't he positive against INno? No. But he beat him at Katowice last year with proxies. So maybe he can repeat
Group A blows hard
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On February 28 2018 05:45 Vindicare605 wrote: So let's see.
My picks:
Group A:
Maru/TY/Gumiho. Dear didn't look good in his last GSL group, Showtime and Special are outclassed in this group IMO. Tough draw for them, getting 3 of the 4 horsemen in their group.
Group B:
Dark/Innovation/Hurricane or Solar.
Group C:
Zest/Rogue/Impact
Zest and Rogue have pedigree. Impact looked outrageously strong when he qualified over all of the other contestants in the Korean qualifiers.
Group D:
sOs/Classic/Trap
The Protoss players in this group are just stronger than the opposition, however Elazer can be a definite dark horse. He looked really good at Pyeongchang, maybe can show some more of that form. i like this prediction
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On February 28 2018 06:37 starkiller123 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 05:45 Vindicare605 wrote: So let's see.
My picks:
Group A:
Maru/TY/Gumiho. Dear didn't look good in his last GSL group, Showtime and Special are outclassed in this group IMO. Tough draw for them, getting 3 of the 4 horsemen in their group.
Group B:
Dark/Innovation/Hurricane or Solar.
Group C:
Zest/Rogue/Impact
Zest and Rogue have pedigree. Impact looked outrageously strong when he qualified over all of the other contestants in the Korean qualifiers.
Group D:
sOs/Classic/Trap
The Protoss players in this group are just stronger than the opposition, however Elazer can be a definite dark horse. He looked really good at Pyeongchang, maybe can show some more of that form. i like this prediction Me too.
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On February 28 2018 06:34 Charoisaur wrote: If Zest gets his shit together the KR only ro12 dream can become true. Though it's fun to see foreigners getting embarassed in longer series so it may be okay if some sneak through.
And why exactly is that fun?
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On February 28 2018 06:54 Avicularia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 06:34 Charoisaur wrote: If Zest gets his shit together the KR only ro12 dream can become true. Though it's fun to see foreigners getting embarassed in longer series so it may be okay if some sneak through. And why exactly is that fun? Don't kink-shame him.
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Kinda given up on predictions, though I am salty that I can't watch groups A and B
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I wonder how the open bracket players were seeded. Too bad Serral can't be swapped with TY or Maru.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36671 Posts
On February 28 2018 06:34 Charoisaur wrote: If Zest gets his shit together the KR only ro12 dream can become true. Though it's fun to see foreigners getting embarassed in longer series so it may be okay if some sneak through. Whose dream is that exactly? I'm pretty sure that most people would prefer not to see a KR only Ro12.
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On February 28 2018 07:32 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 06:34 Charoisaur wrote: If Zest gets his shit together the KR only ro12 dream can become true. Though it's fun to see foreigners getting embarassed in longer series so it may be okay if some sneak through. Whose dream is that exactly? I'm pretty sure that most people would prefer not to see a KR only Ro12. Most people prefer a KR only Ro12.
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On February 28 2018 07:37 usopsama wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 07:32 Seeker wrote:On February 28 2018 06:34 Charoisaur wrote: If Zest gets his shit together the KR only ro12 dream can become true. Though it's fun to see foreigners getting embarassed in longer series so it may be okay if some sneak through. Whose dream is that exactly? I'm pretty sure that most people would prefer not to see a KR only Ro12. Most people prefer a KR only Ro12.
Where's the poll?
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On February 28 2018 07:32 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 06:34 Charoisaur wrote: If Zest gets his shit together the KR only ro12 dream can become true. Though it's fun to see foreigners getting embarassed in longer series so it may be okay if some sneak through. Whose dream is that exactly? I'm pretty sure that most people would prefer not to see a KR only Ro12.
Did you make the draw ?
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36671 Posts
On February 28 2018 07:43 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 07:32 Seeker wrote:On February 28 2018 06:34 Charoisaur wrote: If Zest gets his shit together the KR only ro12 dream can become true. Though it's fun to see foreigners getting embarassed in longer series so it may be okay if some sneak through. Whose dream is that exactly? I'm pretty sure that most people would prefer not to see a KR only Ro12. Did you make the draw ? Come again?
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Bracket are so... bad '--
group C is a joke.
Group A : TY - Maru - Major Group B : Dark - INno - Solar Group C : Neeb - Impact - Serral Group D: Classic - sOs - Elazer
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On February 28 2018 07:42 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 07:37 usopsama wrote:On February 28 2018 07:32 Seeker wrote:On February 28 2018 06:34 Charoisaur wrote: If Zest gets his shit together the KR only ro12 dream can become true. Though it's fun to see foreigners getting embarassed in longer series so it may be okay if some sneak through. Whose dream is that exactly? I'm pretty sure that most people would prefer not to see a KR only Ro12. Most people prefer a KR only Ro12. Where's the poll?
Poll: How do you feel about Koreans vs foreigners?Watching Koreans destroy foreigners brings me unspeakable joy. (19) 76% Watching foreigners lose to the Korean master race makes me disturbingly butt-hurt. (6) 24% 25 total votes Your vote: How do you feel about Koreans vs foreigners? (Vote): Watching Koreans destroy foreigners brings me unspeakable joy. (Vote): Watching foreigners lose to the Korean master race makes me disturbingly butt-hurt.
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Ha ha ha, is this actually a thing? I thought it was a running gag I wasn't getting.
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On February 28 2018 07:32 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 06:34 Charoisaur wrote: If Zest gets his shit together the KR only ro12 dream can become true. Though it's fun to see foreigners getting embarassed in longer series so it may be okay if some sneak through. Whose dream is that exactly? I'm pretty sure that most people would prefer not to see a KR only Ro12.
My personal dream is the exact top 12 players being the ro12.
It just so happens they are all korean, but if Serral or Neeb prove they are on that level then power to them
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TL is so toxic with all this foreigner hate... I have no idea where does it come from but it is seriously very lame.
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any game i must watch? i dont think i will have the time to watch everything
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Nerchio and Special will upset all of those foreigner hating users.
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On February 28 2018 08:49 Topin wrote:any game i must watch? i dont think i will have the time to watch everything
I enjoyed Harstem vs. Trap, depending on how much you like PvP.
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On February 28 2018 09:04 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 08:49 Topin wrote:any game i must watch? i dont think i will have the time to watch everything I enjoyed Harstem vs. Trap, depending on how much you like PvP.
Dayshi vs Snute had a first good game. Stats vs Maru was good, a little "camping" but with late game composition and clever use of all the tools at the disposal of the races. Zest vs Bunny was good; SpeCial vs Snute and Special vs Bunny also really good.
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On February 28 2018 08:49 Topin wrote:any game i must watch? i dont think i will have the time to watch everything
Cure vs Kas TvT Matchup
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
Any recommended matches?
Edit: Nevermind, someone just asked it!
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Damn, seems I missed a lot of good games in the morning bracket. I'll have to take a look at those.
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On February 28 2018 08:33 Avicularia wrote: TL is so toxic with all this foreigner hate... I have no idea where does it come from but it is seriously very lame. blame brood war, its been around since then. Plus koreans are better lol
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On February 28 2018 08:33 Avicularia wrote: TL is so toxic with all this foreigner hate... I have no idea where does it come from but it is seriously very lame.
It's mostly Usopama and Charosieur that are really toxic about it, it's just that they make up like 8% of all TL posts in this the Tourneys channel lol
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On February 28 2018 13:09 nick00bot wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 08:33 Avicularia wrote: TL is so toxic with all this foreigner hate... I have no idea where does it come from but it is seriously very lame. It's mostly Usopama and Charosieur that are really toxic about it, it's just that they make up like 8% of all TL posts in this the Tourneys channel lol 8% is oddly specific......did you run the math on that or something?
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On February 28 2018 13:09 nick00bot wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 08:33 Avicularia wrote: TL is so toxic with all this foreigner hate... I have no idea where does it come from but it is seriously very lame. It's mostly Usopama and Charosieur that are really toxic about it, it's just that they make up like 8% of all TL posts in this the Tourneys channel lol I just need to balance out the blatant foreigner favouritism that is so common in this community. I never got the concept of cheering for players just because they're white.
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On February 28 2018 14:50 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 13:09 nick00bot wrote:On February 28 2018 08:33 Avicularia wrote: TL is so toxic with all this foreigner hate... I have no idea where does it come from but it is seriously very lame. It's mostly Usopama and Charosieur that are really toxic about it, it's just that they make up like 8% of all TL posts in this the Tourneys channel lol I just need to balance out the blatant foreigner favouritism that is so common in this community. I never got the concept of cheering for players just because they're white. Masa's Korean you know...Has is Taiwanese...TIME is Chinese....
The blatant foreigner favouritism? If anything people favour Koreans.
I understand not liking the foreigner bias, but I don't actively rooting against foreigners because they're foreigners. When people cheer for Neeb or Scarlett or Serral, they're cheering for those players to do well, but they're not cheering for soO or Innovation or TY to fail.
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On February 28 2018 14:50 Charoisaur wrote:
I just need to balance out the blatant foreigner favouritism that is so common in this community. I never got the concept of cheering for players just because they're white.
But you got the concept of hating players just because they're white down very well.
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On February 28 2018 14:55 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 14:50 Charoisaur wrote:On February 28 2018 13:09 nick00bot wrote:On February 28 2018 08:33 Avicularia wrote: TL is so toxic with all this foreigner hate... I have no idea where does it come from but it is seriously very lame. It's mostly Usopama and Charosieur that are really toxic about it, it's just that they make up like 8% of all TL posts in this the Tourneys channel lol I just need to balance out the blatant foreigner favouritism that is so common in this community. I never got the concept of cheering for players just because they're white. Masa's Korean you know...Has is Taiwanese...TIME is Chinese.... The blatant foreigner favouritism? If anything people favour Koreans. I understand not liking the foreigner bias, but I don't get hating foreigners for being foreigners. Wasn't foreigner favouritism the reason the WCS system was introduced? Because people wanted to see white guys winning? I don't hate foreigners lol. I just don't really care for them, I find the foreign scene very boring.
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On February 28 2018 14:50 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 13:09 nick00bot wrote:On February 28 2018 08:33 Avicularia wrote: TL is so toxic with all this foreigner hate... I have no idea where does it come from but it is seriously very lame. It's mostly Usopama and Charosieur that are really toxic about it, it's just that they make up like 8% of all TL posts in this the Tourneys channel lol I just need to balance out the blatant foreigner favouritism that is so common in this community. I never got the concept of cheering for players just because they're white.
"People are unfairly biased towards foreign players, so I should be prejudiced against them to make things even."
Yeah ok that definitely sounds logical.
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On February 28 2018 15:01 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 14:55 FrkFrJss wrote:On February 28 2018 14:50 Charoisaur wrote:On February 28 2018 13:09 nick00bot wrote:On February 28 2018 08:33 Avicularia wrote: TL is so toxic with all this foreigner hate... I have no idea where does it come from but it is seriously very lame. It's mostly Usopama and Charosieur that are really toxic about it, it's just that they make up like 8% of all TL posts in this the Tourneys channel lol I just need to balance out the blatant foreigner favouritism that is so common in this community. I never got the concept of cheering for players just because they're white. Masa's Korean you know...Has is Taiwanese...TIME is Chinese.... The blatant foreigner favouritism? If anything people favour Koreans. I understand not liking the foreigner bias, but I don't get hating foreigners for being foreigners. Wasn't foreigner favouritism the reason the WCS system was introduced? Because people wanted to see white guys winning? I don't hate foreigners lol. I just don't really care for them, I find the foreign scene very boring. No, it was because both the EU and AM scenes were dying. It wasn't healthy for the global scene if the foreigners couldn't be competitive because unlike BW, the majority of people watching were not Koreans.
Also, again, you realize that the entire foreign Asian Starcraft 2 scene is....not white, right? Also a large chunk of the SA and Mexican scene are not white.
What exactly do you find boring about the foreigner scene? Their playstyle? Do you remember Rain playing? He wasn't exactly the most exciting guy to watch? Their personality? I mean...foreigners have avilo. He's more than enough personality for the entire scene combined. Storylines? I mean Neeb being a highschooler and then being the first foreigner to win a Korean SC2 tournament.
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I'm enjoyed watching games korean pros vs non-koreans. Ah, good old times.
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Upsets will come I'm sure about that. We already got soO or Stats knockout early by lower tie. Offline event is a different story, you don't play in your comfort zone, plus this one is stacked AF! Some player's considering even coming out to Katowice because it's so hard to win even one game! Also with that many top Koreans it's obvious some of them will make it far. But don't count foreigners out yet, they got some stuff prepared as well, WCS points are no joke plus huge money line. I'm super hyped for this, Katowice becoming major, prestige event. Much bigger than GSL for me.
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Czech Republic12116 Posts
On February 28 2018 16:05 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 15:01 Charoisaur wrote:On February 28 2018 14:55 FrkFrJss wrote:On February 28 2018 14:50 Charoisaur wrote:On February 28 2018 13:09 nick00bot wrote:On February 28 2018 08:33 Avicularia wrote: TL is so toxic with all this foreigner hate... I have no idea where does it come from but it is seriously very lame. It's mostly Usopama and Charosieur that are really toxic about it, it's just that they make up like 8% of all TL posts in this the Tourneys channel lol I just need to balance out the blatant foreigner favouritism that is so common in this community. I never got the concept of cheering for players just because they're white. Masa's Korean you know...Has is Taiwanese...TIME is Chinese.... The blatant foreigner favouritism? If anything people favour Koreans. I understand not liking the foreigner bias, but I don't get hating foreigners for being foreigners. Wasn't foreigner favouritism the reason the WCS system was introduced? Because people wanted to see white guys winning? I don't hate foreigners lol. I just don't really care for them, I find the foreign scene very boring. No, it was because both the EU and AM scenes were dying. It wasn't healthy for the global scene if the foreigners couldn't be competitive because unlike BW, the majority of people watching were not Koreans. Also, again, you realize that the entire foreign Asian Starcraft 2 scene is....not white, right? Also a large chunk of the SA and Mexican scene are not white. What exactly do you find boring about the foreigner scene? Their playstyle? Do you remember Rain playing? He wasn't exactly the most exciting guy to watch? Their personality? I mean...foreigners have avilo. He's more than enough personality for the entire scene combined. Storylines? I mean Neeb being a highschooler and then being the first foreigner to win a Korean SC2 tournament. And now is the Korean scene rising above everything and more lively than ever. And foreigners are not taking their money while Koreans are banned from WCS. /s
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Foreigner whined so loudly that they can now take Korean monney in GSL while competiting in WCS (hello scarlett) and Korean just have gsl and global events. Yeah it's been a while but it still struck in my throat
but it's not foreigner hate, the player I really like happens to be mostly koreans (playstyle or personnality); I really like Snute, Major and I support french player but Koreans are just more likeable imo.
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On February 28 2018 16:47 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 16:05 FrkFrJss wrote:On February 28 2018 15:01 Charoisaur wrote:On February 28 2018 14:55 FrkFrJss wrote:On February 28 2018 14:50 Charoisaur wrote:On February 28 2018 13:09 nick00bot wrote:On February 28 2018 08:33 Avicularia wrote: TL is so toxic with all this foreigner hate... I have no idea where does it come from but it is seriously very lame. It's mostly Usopama and Charosieur that are really toxic about it, it's just that they make up like 8% of all TL posts in this the Tourneys channel lol I just need to balance out the blatant foreigner favouritism that is so common in this community. I never got the concept of cheering for players just because they're white. Masa's Korean you know...Has is Taiwanese...TIME is Chinese.... The blatant foreigner favouritism? If anything people favour Koreans. I understand not liking the foreigner bias, but I don't get hating foreigners for being foreigners. Wasn't foreigner favouritism the reason the WCS system was introduced? Because people wanted to see white guys winning? I don't hate foreigners lol. I just don't really care for them, I find the foreign scene very boring. No, it was because both the EU and AM scenes were dying. It wasn't healthy for the global scene if the foreigners couldn't be competitive because unlike BW, the majority of people watching were not Koreans. Also, again, you realize that the entire foreign Asian Starcraft 2 scene is....not white, right? Also a large chunk of the SA and Mexican scene are not white. What exactly do you find boring about the foreigner scene? Their playstyle? Do you remember Rain playing? He wasn't exactly the most exciting guy to watch? Their personality? I mean...foreigners have avilo. He's more than enough personality for the entire scene combined. Storylines? I mean Neeb being a highschooler and then being the first foreigner to win a Korean SC2 tournament. And now is the Korean scene rising above everything and more lively than ever. And foreigners are not taking their money while Koreans are banned from WCS. /s And it haa nothing to do with the Korean matchfizing scandal and the Korean sponsors and KeSPA leaving SC2 behind, right :o?
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On February 28 2018 17:25 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 16:47 deacon.frost wrote:On February 28 2018 16:05 FrkFrJss wrote:On February 28 2018 15:01 Charoisaur wrote:On February 28 2018 14:55 FrkFrJss wrote:On February 28 2018 14:50 Charoisaur wrote:On February 28 2018 13:09 nick00bot wrote:On February 28 2018 08:33 Avicularia wrote: TL is so toxic with all this foreigner hate... I have no idea where does it come from but it is seriously very lame. It's mostly Usopama and Charosieur that are really toxic about it, it's just that they make up like 8% of all TL posts in this the Tourneys channel lol I just need to balance out the blatant foreigner favouritism that is so common in this community. I never got the concept of cheering for players just because they're white. Masa's Korean you know...Has is Taiwanese...TIME is Chinese.... The blatant foreigner favouritism? If anything people favour Koreans. I understand not liking the foreigner bias, but I don't get hating foreigners for being foreigners. Wasn't foreigner favouritism the reason the WCS system was introduced? Because people wanted to see white guys winning? I don't hate foreigners lol. I just don't really care for them, I find the foreign scene very boring. No, it was because both the EU and AM scenes were dying. It wasn't healthy for the global scene if the foreigners couldn't be competitive because unlike BW, the majority of people watching were not Koreans. Also, again, you realize that the entire foreign Asian Starcraft 2 scene is....not white, right? Also a large chunk of the SA and Mexican scene are not white. What exactly do you find boring about the foreigner scene? Their playstyle? Do you remember Rain playing? He wasn't exactly the most exciting guy to watch? Their personality? I mean...foreigners have avilo. He's more than enough personality for the entire scene combined. Storylines? I mean Neeb being a highschooler and then being the first foreigner to win a Korean SC2 tournament. And now is the Korean scene rising above everything and more lively than ever. And foreigners are not taking their money while Koreans are banned from WCS. /s And it haa nothing to do with the Korean matchfizing scandal and the Korean sponsors and KeSPA leaving SC2 behind, right :o? Everyone knows Apollo killed the korean scene.
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On February 28 2018 17:04 Mun_Su wrote:Foreigner whined so loudly that they can now take Korean monney in GSL while competiting in WCS (hello scarlett) and Korean just have gsl and global events. Yeah it's been a while but it still struck in my throat but it's not foreigner hate, the player I really like happens to be mostly koreans (playstyle or personnality); I really like Snute, Major and I support french player but Koreans are just more likeable imo. I mean, that's a fair opinion. If you just happen to like the Koreans more, then that's that.
I will say, though, that in the two years of WCS EU and AM, all six tournaments were won by Koreans, this in addition to having WCS Korea for those two years, and foreigners were a small percentage of the ro8. I feel like Koreans living in Korea and then coming to America and then leaving was not what Blizzard had in mind. Hi Pigbaby.
So, to talk about foreigners coming and taking the GSL money while also taking the foreign money is interesting seeing as Koreans have been doing it for years, and the same people didn't say anything about it.
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On February 28 2018 17:36 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 17:04 Mun_Su wrote:Foreigner whined so loudly that they can now take Korean monney in GSL while competiting in WCS (hello scarlett) and Korean just have gsl and global events. Yeah it's been a while but it still struck in my throat but it's not foreigner hate, the player I really like happens to be mostly koreans (playstyle or personnality); I really like Snute, Major and I support french player but Koreans are just more likeable imo. So, to talk about foreigners coming and taking the GSL money while also taking the foreign money is interesting seeing as Koreans have been doing it for years, and the same people didn't say anything about it.
And the same people that complained about koreans flying over and taking the WCS EU/NA money now aren't complaining that foreigners do the same.
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On February 28 2018 17:36 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 17:04 Mun_Su wrote:Foreigner whined so loudly that they can now take Korean monney in GSL while competiting in WCS (hello scarlett) and Korean just have gsl and global events. Yeah it's been a while but it still struck in my throat but it's not foreigner hate, the player I really like happens to be mostly koreans (playstyle or personnality); I really like Snute, Major and I support french player but Koreans are just more likeable imo. I mean, that's a fair opinion. If you just happen to like the Koreans more, then that's that. I will say, though, that in the two years of WCS EU and AM, all six tournaments were won by Koreans, this in addition to having WCS Korea for those two years, and foreigners were a small percentage of the ro8. I feel like Koreans living in Korea and then coming to America and then leaving was not what Blizzard had in mind. Hi Pigbaby. So, to talk about foreigners coming and taking the GSL money while also taking the foreign money is interesting seeing as Koreans have been doing it for years, and the same people didn't say anything about it.
Thanks.
There was a difference no ? I mean koreans weren't allowed to go to both circuits, and they had to forfeit GSL in order to go to WCS American/Europe. At the time I cheered hard for foreigner against that "invasion" except in America since there wasn't very strong players at the time so yeah without Polt or Bomber I wouildn't have watch it at all. But both for' and kor were kind on equal foot. Here SpeCial and Scarlett and co' can play in Korea and in Homeland. Koreans just have homeland... that's why even I like Major i can't cheer for him in GSL, just like I was agaisnt godMvp in WCS EU. And I hated to see people saying that koreans have no personality when the tree most emotionnal victory of tournament were arguably those of DuckDeok, Forgg and sOs I mean they have a lot to show, while foreigner since the glorious days of Stephano or Naniwa don't look badass anymore in my opinion.
But it's not foreigner hate. best player ever was a foreigner after all.
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On February 28 2018 16:05 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 15:01 Charoisaur wrote:On February 28 2018 14:55 FrkFrJss wrote:On February 28 2018 14:50 Charoisaur wrote:On February 28 2018 13:09 nick00bot wrote:On February 28 2018 08:33 Avicularia wrote: TL is so toxic with all this foreigner hate... I have no idea where does it come from but it is seriously very lame. It's mostly Usopama and Charosieur that are really toxic about it, it's just that they make up like 8% of all TL posts in this the Tourneys channel lol I just need to balance out the blatant foreigner favouritism that is so common in this community. I never got the concept of cheering for players just because they're white. Masa's Korean you know...Has is Taiwanese...TIME is Chinese.... The blatant foreigner favouritism? If anything people favour Koreans. I understand not liking the foreigner bias, but I don't get hating foreigners for being foreigners. Wasn't foreigner favouritism the reason the WCS system was introduced? Because people wanted to see white guys winning? I don't hate foreigners lol. I just don't really care for them, I find the foreign scene very boring. What exactly do you find boring about the foreigner scene? Their playstyle? Do you remember Rain playing? He wasn't exactly the most exciting guy to watch? Their personality? I mean...foreigners have avilo. He's more than enough personality for the entire scene combined. Storylines? I mean Neeb being a highschooler and then being the first foreigner to win a Korean SC2 tournament. I don't really know tbh. I just can't find myself cheering for one of those players. I watched a few WCS events and just felt complete empathy about who wins the game as opposed to the korean scene where I'm cheering like crazy for my favourites to advance. Not sure why this is, maybe the lower skilllevel and the knowledge that the players are just competing there because the better players are excluded.
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But let's be honest - without foreigners the scene would be dead. It is not fun to watch any sport (or esport) dominated by one country. Other than that it really is not the players fault. They are giving their best, and often they are doing it for us, so there is no reason to bash them... If you like Koreans it is fine (it is not like we have something against them) but no need to insult foreigners. It is natural that people are cheering for palyers from their countries, or their region (like NA or EU). Moreover cheering for underdogs is always fun. Like yesterday in a Neeb vs Harstem match I think that most people would cheer for the second one. And foreigners are most of the time underdogs, so it is natural.
The other thing is language barrier. It is obviously way more fan to listen to interviews in language you can understand. Or read twits or forum posts. All the Koreans that speak even occasionally some English have way more fans than the rest of them.
All in all - you can cheer for whoever you like, you can hate region lock but please stop insulting players. I can only imagine how awful it must feel to read "I hope all foreigners will be smashed" all the time from their point of view.
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On February 28 2018 19:07 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 17:36 FrkFrJss wrote:On February 28 2018 17:04 Mun_Su wrote:Foreigner whined so loudly that they can now take Korean monney in GSL while competiting in WCS (hello scarlett) and Korean just have gsl and global events. Yeah it's been a while but it still struck in my throat but it's not foreigner hate, the player I really like happens to be mostly koreans (playstyle or personnality); I really like Snute, Major and I support french player but Koreans are just more likeable imo. So, to talk about foreigners coming and taking the GSL money while also taking the foreign money is interesting seeing as Koreans have been doing it for years, and the same people didn't say anything about it. And the same people that complained about koreans flying over and taking the WCS EU/NA money now aren't complaining that foreigners do the same.
You are very much correct on that point. And perhaps there is some hypocrisy in that regard.
But the extent to which Scarlett, Sortof, and Special take GSL money is negligible compared to the amount of winnings the top Koreans won in WCS AM/EU. Scarlett winning instead of Innovation does' hurt him very much monetarily.
Now, I do agree that the lower tier Koreans are suffering, but the occasional placement in Code S isn't going to fix that problem. They need a secondary tournament that is only for low skilled Koreans.
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On February 28 2018 19:40 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 19:07 Charoisaur wrote:On February 28 2018 17:36 FrkFrJss wrote:On February 28 2018 17:04 Mun_Su wrote:Foreigner whined so loudly that they can now take Korean monney in GSL while competiting in WCS (hello scarlett) and Korean just have gsl and global events. Yeah it's been a while but it still struck in my throat but it's not foreigner hate, the player I really like happens to be mostly koreans (playstyle or personnality); I really like Snute, Major and I support french player but Koreans are just more likeable imo. So, to talk about foreigners coming and taking the GSL money while also taking the foreign money is interesting seeing as Koreans have been doing it for years, and the same people didn't say anything about it. And the same people that complained about koreans flying over and taking the WCS EU/NA money now aren't complaining that foreigners do the same. You are very much correct on that point. And perhaps there is some hypocrisy in that regard. But the extent to which Scarlett, Sortof, and Special take GSL money is negligible compared to the amount of winnings the top Koreans won in WCS AM/EU. Scarlett winning instead of Innovation does' hurt him very much monetarily. Now, I do agree that the lower tier Koreans are suffering, but the occasional placement in Code S isn't going to fix that problem. They need a secondary tournament that is only for low skilled Koreans.
And Koreans want foreigners in GSL because it adds more hype and increase number of viewers.
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On February 28 2018 19:40 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 19:07 Charoisaur wrote:On February 28 2018 17:36 FrkFrJss wrote:On February 28 2018 17:04 Mun_Su wrote:Foreigner whined so loudly that they can now take Korean monney in GSL while competiting in WCS (hello scarlett) and Korean just have gsl and global events. Yeah it's been a while but it still struck in my throat but it's not foreigner hate, the player I really like happens to be mostly koreans (playstyle or personnality); I really like Snute, Major and I support french player but Koreans are just more likeable imo. So, to talk about foreigners coming and taking the GSL money while also taking the foreign money is interesting seeing as Koreans have been doing it for years, and the same people didn't say anything about it. And the same people that complained about koreans flying over and taking the WCS EU/NA money now aren't complaining that foreigners do the same. You are very much correct on that point. And perhaps there is some hypocrisy in that regard. But the extent to which Scarlett, Sortof, and Special take GSL money is negligible compared to the amount of winnings the top Koreans won in WCS AM/EU. Scarlett winning instead of Innovation does' hurt him very much monetarily. Now, I do agree that the lower tier Koreans are suffering, but the occasional placement in Code S isn't going to fix that problem. They need a secondary tournament that is only for low skilled Koreans.
But it annihilates the careers of young teamless players who have the potential but who must also feed themselves.
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On February 28 2018 21:25 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 19:40 FrkFrJss wrote:On February 28 2018 19:07 Charoisaur wrote:On February 28 2018 17:36 FrkFrJss wrote:On February 28 2018 17:04 Mun_Su wrote:Foreigner whined so loudly that they can now take Korean monney in GSL while competiting in WCS (hello scarlett) and Korean just have gsl and global events. Yeah it's been a while but it still struck in my throat but it's not foreigner hate, the player I really like happens to be mostly koreans (playstyle or personnality); I really like Snute, Major and I support french player but Koreans are just more likeable imo. So, to talk about foreigners coming and taking the GSL money while also taking the foreign money is interesting seeing as Koreans have been doing it for years, and the same people didn't say anything about it. And the same people that complained about koreans flying over and taking the WCS EU/NA money now aren't complaining that foreigners do the same. You are very much correct on that point. And perhaps there is some hypocrisy in that regard. But the extent to which Scarlett, Sortof, and Special take GSL money is negligible compared to the amount of winnings the top Koreans won in WCS AM/EU. Scarlett winning instead of Innovation does' hurt him very much monetarily. Now, I do agree that the lower tier Koreans are suffering, but the occasional placement in Code S isn't going to fix that problem. They need a secondary tournament that is only for low skilled Koreans. But it annihilates the careers of young teamless players who have the potential but who must also feed themselves. There are no young, teamless Koreans who have the potential but whose spots have been taken by foreigners. All Koreans that foreigners have taken out either would not have made it anyways or are already established Koreans with the ability to make Code S. Take a look at any qualifier where a foreigner beat a Korean and show the up and coming Korean who would have made it without the foreigners.
As I said, these Koreans need a secondary tournament that is only for low skilled Koreans.
The problem with Korea is that you have many top tier, some middle tier, and few low tier. The rest are mainly ladder players. They don't have a base of middle and low tier players.
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They can't go full time because of for greediness, then they can't progress.
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On February 28 2018 21:25 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 19:40 FrkFrJss wrote:On February 28 2018 19:07 Charoisaur wrote:On February 28 2018 17:36 FrkFrJss wrote:On February 28 2018 17:04 Mun_Su wrote:Foreigner whined so loudly that they can now take Korean monney in GSL while competiting in WCS (hello scarlett) and Korean just have gsl and global events. Yeah it's been a while but it still struck in my throat but it's not foreigner hate, the player I really like happens to be mostly koreans (playstyle or personnality); I really like Snute, Major and I support french player but Koreans are just more likeable imo. So, to talk about foreigners coming and taking the GSL money while also taking the foreign money is interesting seeing as Koreans have been doing it for years, and the same people didn't say anything about it. And the same people that complained about koreans flying over and taking the WCS EU/NA money now aren't complaining that foreigners do the same. You are very much correct on that point. And perhaps there is some hypocrisy in that regard. But the extent to which Scarlett, Sortof, and Special take GSL money is negligible compared to the amount of winnings the top Koreans won in WCS AM/EU. Scarlett winning instead of Innovation does' hurt him very much monetarily. Now, I do agree that the lower tier Koreans are suffering, but the occasional placement in Code S isn't going to fix that problem. They need a secondary tournament that is only for low skilled Koreans. But it annihilates the careers of young teamless players who have the potential but who must also feed themselves. To be fair I think a lack of an organized tier 2 is probably doing that more than anything else, across all regions.
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Czech Republic12116 Posts
On February 28 2018 17:25 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 16:47 deacon.frost wrote:On February 28 2018 16:05 FrkFrJss wrote:On February 28 2018 15:01 Charoisaur wrote:On February 28 2018 14:55 FrkFrJss wrote:On February 28 2018 14:50 Charoisaur wrote:On February 28 2018 13:09 nick00bot wrote:On February 28 2018 08:33 Avicularia wrote: TL is so toxic with all this foreigner hate... I have no idea where does it come from but it is seriously very lame. It's mostly Usopama and Charosieur that are really toxic about it, it's just that they make up like 8% of all TL posts in this the Tourneys channel lol I just need to balance out the blatant foreigner favouritism that is so common in this community. I never got the concept of cheering for players just because they're white. Masa's Korean you know...Has is Taiwanese...TIME is Chinese.... The blatant foreigner favouritism? If anything people favour Koreans. I understand not liking the foreigner bias, but I don't get hating foreigners for being foreigners. Wasn't foreigner favouritism the reason the WCS system was introduced? Because people wanted to see white guys winning? I don't hate foreigners lol. I just don't really care for them, I find the foreign scene very boring. No, it was because both the EU and AM scenes were dying. It wasn't healthy for the global scene if the foreigners couldn't be competitive because unlike BW, the majority of people watching were not Koreans. Also, again, you realize that the entire foreign Asian Starcraft 2 scene is....not white, right? Also a large chunk of the SA and Mexican scene are not white. What exactly do you find boring about the foreigner scene? Their playstyle? Do you remember Rain playing? He wasn't exactly the most exciting guy to watch? Their personality? I mean...foreigners have avilo. He's more than enough personality for the entire scene combined. Storylines? I mean Neeb being a highschooler and then being the first foreigner to win a Korean SC2 tournament. And now is the Korean scene rising above everything and more lively than ever. And foreigners are not taking their money while Koreans are banned from WCS. /s And it haa nothing to do with the Korean matchfizing scandal and the Korean sponsors and KeSPA leaving SC2 behind, right :o? Even if we blame the fall of Korean scene only on this and not on the fact that SC2 wasn't so popular and other games were/are more popular. When that happened the region lock rule didn't change. While Koreans lost the team support(appart from the JAGW) they are threatened by foreigners while foreigners are still protected. I kinda see double standards when circumstances changed. And I don't like that.
BTW most of the Koreans in WCS EU were living there and playing on the EU ladder. While yes, Koreans were dominating the EU scene at least they were there and were improving the quality of the scene. I can see how WCS NA was wrong and I was one of the peopel who actually argued for "you have to live there to compete" in the way EU was done(because of the lag issues )
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On February 28 2018 21:40 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 21:25 DieuCure wrote:On February 28 2018 19:40 FrkFrJss wrote:On February 28 2018 19:07 Charoisaur wrote:On February 28 2018 17:36 FrkFrJss wrote:On February 28 2018 17:04 Mun_Su wrote:Foreigner whined so loudly that they can now take Korean monney in GSL while competiting in WCS (hello scarlett) and Korean just have gsl and global events. Yeah it's been a while but it still struck in my throat but it's not foreigner hate, the player I really like happens to be mostly koreans (playstyle or personnality); I really like Snute, Major and I support french player but Koreans are just more likeable imo. So, to talk about foreigners coming and taking the GSL money while also taking the foreign money is interesting seeing as Koreans have been doing it for years, and the same people didn't say anything about it. And the same people that complained about koreans flying over and taking the WCS EU/NA money now aren't complaining that foreigners do the same. You are very much correct on that point. And perhaps there is some hypocrisy in that regard. But the extent to which Scarlett, Sortof, and Special take GSL money is negligible compared to the amount of winnings the top Koreans won in WCS AM/EU. Scarlett winning instead of Innovation does' hurt him very much monetarily. Now, I do agree that the lower tier Koreans are suffering, but the occasional placement in Code S isn't going to fix that problem. They need a secondary tournament that is only for low skilled Koreans. But it annihilates the careers of young teamless players who have the potential but who must also feed themselves. There are no young, teamless Koreans who have the potential but whose spots have been taken by foreigners. All Koreans that foreigners have taken out either would not have made it anyways or are already established Koreans with the ability to make Code S. Take a look at any qualifier where a foreigner beat a Korean and show the up and coming Korean who would have made it without the foreigners. As I said, these Koreans need a secondary tournament that is only for low skilled Koreans. The problem with Korea is that you have many top tier, some middle tier, and few low tier. The rest are mainly ladder players. They don't have a base of middle and low tier players. Last year Elazer beat Prince twice to make it into Code S
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