On March 09 2018 17:49 Soke wrote: Alright. I have a question. Scarlett, Maru, Classic, and Dark, are all in WESG. If any of them win, they have scheduling conflict, right?
From what I read in the thread, people theorized that GSL would just delay the ro4.
The second delay for GSL though due to IEM as well, im not sure they will do that. March 14th and 17th semi finals start for GSL and March 13th WESG starts. GSL Finals March 24th with GSL Super Tournament and Season 2 qualifiers beginning 26th...GSL is pretty much set to finish end of March and a week delay will cause the qualifiers to be going on before the final finishes, plus Super Tournament qualifiers need to have the semi finals completed before they begin as they normally invite the two finalists.
On March 09 2018 17:58 Pandemona wrote: The second delay for GSL though due to IEM as well, im not sure they will do that. March 14th and 17th semi finals start for GSL and March 13th WESG starts. GSL Finals March 24th with GSL Super Tournament and Season 2 qualifiers beginning 26th...GSL is pretty much set to finish end of March and a week delay will cause the qualifiers to be going on before the final finishes, plus Super Tournament qualifiers need to have the semi finals completed before they begin as they normally invite the two finalists.
if as an example Scarlett, Dark, Classic and Maru will advance to ro4 GSL then they have to decide on what event they will play, and for me it`s hard to believe that all of them pick WESG as priority though there`s a much bigger prize money, but it will be super funny as then we wouldn`t have GSL champion this season
Most buildings don't have a floor 13, and a lot in Asia don't have any floors with 4 because the word for "four" sounds similar to "death" in a lot of Asian languages.
On March 09 2018 18:38 Solar424 wrote: Most buildings don't have a floor 13, and a lot in Asia don't have any floors with 4 because the word for "four" sounds similar to "death" in a lot of Asian languages.
IIRC they don't have 14 for the same reason. At least in some of China.
On March 09 2018 18:50 Solar424 wrote: What a throw
More like Scarlett just crumbled to the pressure, honestly.
Right, not reacting at all to lings in your base is completely normal.
How would she react? She made 20 more drones. She had no lings to defend that much and if the mutas go back, the mutas of soO ransack her 3rd. She just made way too many drones.
she was ahead but coudn't use her advantage in mutas to control the map since soo got the armor upgrade and she the wrong one, then she gambled and lost
If Scarlett is falling apart this hard, can we stop calling her better than Neeb or Serral? Like, seriously. This is bad, and this was meant to be her golden moment after failing WCS and IEM WC so hard.
On March 09 2018 19:02 Soularion wrote: If Scarlett is falling apart this hard, can we stop calling her better than Neeb or Serral? Like, seriously. This is bad, and this was meant to be her golden moment after failing WCS and IEM WC so hard.
On March 09 2018 19:02 gingerfluffmuff wrote: foreigners on point again
Foreigners spanked her in ZvZ too, or have you forgotten Guru/TRUE/Namshar so swiftly? :^) If anything you should complain about Rogue for letting her get hyped at all
On March 09 2018 19:02 gingerfluffmuff wrote: foreigners on point again
Foreigners spanked her in ZvZ too, or have you forgotten Guru/TRUE/Namshar so swiftly? :^) If anything you should complain about Rogue for letting her get hyped at all
On March 09 2018 19:02 Soularion wrote: If Scarlett is falling apart this hard, can we stop calling her better than Neeb or Serral? Like, seriously. This is bad, and this was meant to be her golden moment after failing WCS and IEM WC so hard.
Did people really think that in the first place?
I don't think Scarlett has been better than Neeb at anytime in the last 2 years
On March 09 2018 19:02 gingerfluffmuff wrote: foreigners on point again
Foreigners spanked her in ZvZ too, or have you forgotten Guru/TRUE/Namshar so swiftly? :^) If anything you should complain about Rogue for letting her get hyped at all
She spanked two of the best foreigners in ZvZ the tournament before that though, are we just ignoring that?
On March 09 2018 19:02 Soularion wrote: If Scarlett is falling apart this hard, can we stop calling her better than Neeb or Serral? Like, seriously. This is bad, and this was meant to be her golden moment after failing WCS and IEM WC so hard.
Did people really think that in the first place?
I got a lot of comments, even after she got knocked out of Katowice, about her being right below Serral and around equal to/above Neeb. I mean, I understand the hype - I bought in after she won IEM Pyeongchang too. But IEM WC was the death of Scarlett for me. Losing twice in your best matchup to mediocre/bad players twice in 3 months is a big no-no.
On March 09 2018 17:58 Pandemona wrote: The second delay for GSL though due to IEM as well, im not sure they will do that. March 14th and 17th semi finals start for GSL and March 13th WESG starts. GSL Finals March 24th with GSL Super Tournament and Season 2 qualifiers beginning 26th...GSL is pretty much set to finish end of March and a week delay will cause the qualifiers to be going on before the final finishes, plus Super Tournament qualifiers need to have the semi finals completed before they begin as they normally invite the two finalists.
if as an example Scarlett, Dark, Classic and Maru will advance to ro4 GSL then they have to decide on what event they will play, and for me it`s hard to believe that all of them pick WESG as priority though there`s a much bigger prize money, but it will be super funny as then we wouldn`t have GSL champion this season
Guess Scarlett at least doesn't have that decision to make now...wow soOjwaaa
On March 09 2018 17:42 Inflicted wrote: Gonna be a short day
Yeah it genuinely just looked like Scarlett wasn't prepared at all. G1 was standard over-greed after getting into a decent position, and then she more or less just tossed G2 into the garbage and G3 was pretty awful too. She played into soO's exact style and then she crumbled.
On March 09 2018 19:12 Soularion wrote: Yeah it genuinely just looked like Scarlett wasn't prepared at all. G1 was standard over-greed after getting into a decent position, and then she more or less just tossed G2 into the garbage and G3 was pretty awful too. She played into soO's exact style and then she crumbled.
It looks like soO had studied her really well, on top of that. Always one step ahead. Maybe (?) she was trying ot throw him off but idk this series was painful
she did face the best player in this stage, at his best matchup, so this result isn't disappointing. It doesn't change that she made top8 in gsl.
She made many mistakes, but normal pro player mistakes. Except for that uncharacteristic bad anti-ravager micro, they weren't mistakes that not even a master players would, like someone said, just bad gambles. which soo who was playing amazingly took advantage of every one of them
On March 09 2018 19:12 Soularion wrote: Yeah it genuinely just looked like Scarlett wasn't prepared at all. G1 was standard over-greed after getting into a decent position, and then she more or less just tossed G2 into the garbage and G3 was pretty awful too. She played into soO's exact style and then she crumbled.
It looks like soO had studied her really well, on top of that. Always one step ahead. Maybe (?) she was trying ot throw him off but idk this series was painful
It's hard to give too much credit to soO when Scarlett was walking into her own biles in game 2. Just an ugly performance.
On March 09 2018 19:06 Morbidius wrote: Lose 2 games to the best ZvZer inthe world, and suddenly she's considered garbage?
Cheese a couple games and suddenly she’s considered best foreigner? Same logic applies tbh.
if u can get ro8 gsl by cheesing a couple of games, then sign me up
tbf she got ro8 gsl by beating billowy and 3 hugely slumping players. This has to be one of the all-time worst Ro8 runs, knowing what we know now about INno and Rogue's form.
On March 09 2018 19:06 Morbidius wrote: Lose 2 games to the best ZvZer inthe world, and suddenly she's considered garbage?
Cheese a couple games and suddenly she’s considered best foreigner? Same logic applies tbh.
if u can get ro8 gsl by cheesing a couple of games, then sign me up
tbf she got ro8 gsl by beating billowy and 3 hugely slumping players. This has to be one of the all-time worst Ro8 runs, knowing what we know now about INno and Rogue's form.
yeah, she still has some more climbing to get on par with naniwa/stephano legacy
On March 09 2018 19:06 Morbidius wrote: Lose 2 games to the best ZvZer inthe world, and suddenly she's considered garbage?
Cheese a couple games and suddenly she’s considered best foreigner? Same logic applies tbh.
if u can get ro8 gsl by cheesing a couple of games, then sign me up
tbf she got ro8 gsl by beating billowy and 3 hugely slumping players. This has to be one of the all-time worst Ro8 runs, knowing what we know now about INno and Rogue's form.
soO's run, to be far, wasn't all that much more impressive. He beat NoRegreT and Zest and then beat aLive twice.
Please dear Starcraft gods give me some 40 minute Golden Armada battles. I want to see some nice lategame PvP. Or some crazy shit. But make it entertaining.
On March 09 2018 19:06 Morbidius wrote: Lose 2 games to the best ZvZer inthe world, and suddenly she's considered garbage?
Cheese a couple games and suddenly she’s considered best foreigner? Same logic applies tbh.
if u can get ro8 gsl by cheesing a couple of games, then sign me up
tbf she got ro8 gsl by beating billowy and 3 hugely slumping players. This has to be one of the all-time worst Ro8 runs, knowing what we know now about INno and Rogue's form.
soO's run, to be far, wasn't all that much more impressive. He beat NoRegreT and Zest and then beat aLive twice.
Yea but at least he faced Dark so he got to be a #2 seed.
On March 09 2018 19:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Alright, hopefully it's a 3-2 with many great games, or I feel bad for the people who showed up to watch live today
I'm going to bed now so it's going to be exactly that. Have fun!
Yeah i don't think you can call Scarlett getting here a "fluke" she was doing very well in that period showing why she was able to win IEM Winter Olympics tourney. Just now maybe travel and what not is catching up with her and ZvZ is a bad match up.
On March 09 2018 19:21 MarthTV wrote: Please dear Starcraft gods give me some 40 minute Golden Armada battles. I want to see some nice lategame PvP. Or some crazy shit. But make it entertaining.
On March 09 2018 19:06 Morbidius wrote: Lose 2 games to the best ZvZer inthe world, and suddenly she's considered garbage?
Cheese a couple games and suddenly she’s considered best foreigner? Same logic applies tbh.
if u can get ro8 gsl by cheesing a couple of games, then sign me up
tbf she got ro8 gsl by beating billowy and 3 hugely slumping players. This has to be one of the all-time worst Ro8 runs, knowing what we know now about INno and Rogue's form.
soO's run, to be far, wasn't all that much more impressive. He beat NoRegreT and Zest and then beat aLive twice.
Yea but at least he faced Dark so he got to be a #2 seed.
There is always chance to go deep with mostly "cheeses" but at the end of the day lets see if this repeats or not cause one time RO8 is "cheese" but if this repeats its on the players to not let cheesy player to beat them
On March 09 2018 19:22 Pandemona wrote: Yeah i don't think you can call Scarlett getting here a "fluke" she was doing very well in that period showing why she was able to win IEM Winter Olympics tourney. Just now maybe travel and what not is catching up with her and ZvZ is a bad match up.
I think she was only truly elite at ZvZ, and even that she's fairly inconsistent at but she certainly looked good at IEM and has shown great potential, while otherwise she's coasted off of ZvP being a pretty imbalanced matchup (and sOs/Zest not being great at it) and INno being really bad form. She's gotten very lucky to only play one terran in all of her major offline outings, I really do think she's quite bad at the matchup right now.
On March 09 2018 19:22 Pandemona wrote: Yeah i don't think you can call Scarlett getting here a "fluke" she was doing very well in that period showing why she was able to win IEM Winter Olympics tourney. Just now maybe travel and what not is catching up with her and ZvZ is a bad match up.
Isn’t that the definition of a fluke though? She had a little bit of a hot streak, usually she’s not an IEM winner or GSL ro8 quality player and now she’s cooled back down to her usual level over the past load of tournaments.
Don’t get me wrong, her streak was cool and all but I feel like you guys expect way too much out of her now.
On March 09 2018 19:06 Morbidius wrote: Lose 2 games to the best ZvZer inthe world, and suddenly she's considered garbage?
Cheese a couple games and suddenly she’s considered best foreigner? Same logic applies tbh.
if u can get ro8 gsl by cheesing a couple of games, then sign me up
tbf she got ro8 gsl by beating billowy and 3 hugely slumping players. This has to be one of the all-time worst Ro8 runs, knowing what we know now about INno and Rogue's form.
soO's run, to be far, wasn't all that much more impressive. He beat NoRegreT and Zest and then beat aLive twice.
Yea but at least he faced Dark so he got to be a #2 seed.
There is always chance to go deep with mostly "cheeses" but at the end of the day lets see if this repeats or not cause one time RO8 is "cheese" but if this repeats its on the players to not let cheesy player to beat them
I do think people are overblowing how much cheese Scarlett really used to get from the ro16 to the ro8. 1 very precise build designed to catch Innovation off guard + 1 cheese. vs Zest, 1 loss, 1 cheese win, 1 macro game win.
On March 09 2018 19:06 Morbidius wrote: Lose 2 games to the best ZvZer inthe world, and suddenly she's considered garbage?
Cheese a couple games and suddenly she’s considered best foreigner? Same logic applies tbh.
if u can get ro8 gsl by cheesing a couple of games, then sign me up
tbf she got ro8 gsl by beating billowy and 3 hugely slumping players. This has to be one of the all-time worst Ro8 runs, knowing what we know now about INno and Rogue's form.
soO's run, to be far, wasn't all that much more impressive. He beat NoRegreT and Zest and then beat aLive twice.
Yea but at least he faced Dark so he got to be a #2 seed.
There is always chance to go deep with mostly "cheeses" but at the end of the day lets see if this repeats or not cause one time RO8 is "cheese" but if this repeats its on the players to not let cheesy player to beat them
I do think people are overblowing how much cheese Scarlett really used to get from the ro16 to the ro8. 1 very precise build designed to catch Innovation off guard + 1 cheese. vs Zest, 1 loss, 1 cheese win, 1 macro game win.
So basically, out of 4 games, the only macro game she won was in a broken matchup against a player who is proven to be terrible at that matchup?
On March 09 2018 19:06 Morbidius wrote: Lose 2 games to the best ZvZer inthe world, and suddenly she's considered garbage?
Cheese a couple games and suddenly she’s considered best foreigner? Same logic applies tbh.
if u can get ro8 gsl by cheesing a couple of games, then sign me up
tbf she got ro8 gsl by beating billowy and 3 hugely slumping players. This has to be one of the all-time worst Ro8 runs, knowing what we know now about INno and Rogue's form.
soO's run, to be far, wasn't all that much more impressive. He beat NoRegreT and Zest and then beat aLive twice.
Yea but at least he faced Dark so he got to be a #2 seed.
There is always chance to go deep with mostly "cheeses" but at the end of the day lets see if this repeats or not cause one time RO8 is "cheese" but if this repeats its on the players to not let cheesy player to beat them
I do think people are overblowing how much cheese Scarlett really used to get from the ro16 to the ro8. 1 very precise build designed to catch Innovation off guard + 1 cheese. vs Zest, 1 loss, 1 cheese win, 1 macro game win.
So basically, out of 4 games, the only macro game she won was in a broken matchup against a player who is proven to be terrible at that matchup?
Yeah, seems about right.
It's actually a little hilarious how lost Zest is in pvz right now
On March 09 2018 19:06 Morbidius wrote: Lose 2 games to the best ZvZer inthe world, and suddenly she's considered garbage?
Cheese a couple games and suddenly she’s considered best foreigner? Same logic applies tbh.
if u can get ro8 gsl by cheesing a couple of games, then sign me up
tbf she got ro8 gsl by beating billowy and 3 hugely slumping players. This has to be one of the all-time worst Ro8 runs, knowing what we know now about INno and Rogue's form.
soO's run, to be far, wasn't all that much more impressive. He beat NoRegreT and Zest and then beat aLive twice.
Yea but at least he faced Dark so he got to be a #2 seed.
There is always chance to go deep with mostly "cheeses" but at the end of the day lets see if this repeats or not cause one time RO8 is "cheese" but if this repeats its on the players to not let cheesy player to beat them
I do think people are overblowing how much cheese Scarlett really used to get from the ro16 to the ro8. 1 very precise build designed to catch Innovation off guard + 1 cheese. vs Zest, 1 loss, 1 cheese win, 1 macro game win.
So basically, out of 4 games, the only macro game she won was in a broken matchup against a player who is proven to be terrible at that matchup?
Yeah, seems about right.
Does that even matter? If one player is better he should play aggressive and win games from there. No problem to be a few workers behind instead of getting rekt.
On March 09 2018 19:06 Morbidius wrote: Lose 2 games to the best ZvZer inthe world, and suddenly she's considered garbage?
Cheese a couple games and suddenly she’s considered best foreigner? Same logic applies tbh.
if u can get ro8 gsl by cheesing a couple of games, then sign me up
tbf she got ro8 gsl by beating billowy and 3 hugely slumping players. This has to be one of the all-time worst Ro8 runs, knowing what we know now about INno and Rogue's form.
soO's run, to be far, wasn't all that much more impressive. He beat NoRegreT and Zest and then beat aLive twice.
Yea but at least he faced Dark so he got to be a #2 seed.
There is always chance to go deep with mostly "cheeses" but at the end of the day lets see if this repeats or not cause one time RO8 is "cheese" but if this repeats its on the players to not let cheesy player to beat them
I do think people are overblowing how much cheese Scarlett really used to get from the ro16 to the ro8. 1 very precise build designed to catch Innovation off guard + 1 cheese. vs Zest, 1 loss, 1 cheese win, 1 macro game win.
So basically, out of 4 games, the only macro game she won was in a broken matchup against a player who is proven to be terrible at that matchup?
Yeah, seems about right.
It's actually a little hilarious how lost Zest is in pvz right now
On March 09 2018 19:06 Morbidius wrote: Lose 2 games to the best ZvZer inthe world, and suddenly she's considered garbage?
Cheese a couple games and suddenly she’s considered best foreigner? Same logic applies tbh.
if u can get ro8 gsl by cheesing a couple of games, then sign me up
tbf she got ro8 gsl by beating billowy and 3 hugely slumping players. This has to be one of the all-time worst Ro8 runs, knowing what we know now about INno and Rogue's form.
soO's run, to be far, wasn't all that much more impressive. He beat NoRegreT and Zest and then beat aLive twice.
Yea but at least he faced Dark so he got to be a #2 seed.
There is always chance to go deep with mostly "cheeses" but at the end of the day lets see if this repeats or not cause one time RO8 is "cheese" but if this repeats its on the players to not let cheesy player to beat them
I do think people are overblowing how much cheese Scarlett really used to get from the ro16 to the ro8. 1 very precise build designed to catch Innovation off guard + 1 cheese. vs Zest, 1 loss, 1 cheese win, 1 macro game win.
So basically, out of 4 games, the only macro game she won was in a broken matchup against a player who is proven to be terrible at that matchup?
Yeah, seems about right.
Does that even matter? If one player is better he should play aggressive and win games from there. No problem to be a few workers behind instead of getting rekt.
No, as we all know if you win with aggressive builds it just means your worse. Good players only play honourable macro games
On March 09 2018 19:10 Fyzar wrote: [quote] Cheese a couple games and suddenly she’s considered best foreigner? Same logic applies tbh.
if u can get ro8 gsl by cheesing a couple of games, then sign me up
tbf she got ro8 gsl by beating billowy and 3 hugely slumping players. This has to be one of the all-time worst Ro8 runs, knowing what we know now about INno and Rogue's form.
soO's run, to be far, wasn't all that much more impressive. He beat NoRegreT and Zest and then beat aLive twice.
Yea but at least he faced Dark so he got to be a #2 seed.
There is always chance to go deep with mostly "cheeses" but at the end of the day lets see if this repeats or not cause one time RO8 is "cheese" but if this repeats its on the players to not let cheesy player to beat them
I do think people are overblowing how much cheese Scarlett really used to get from the ro16 to the ro8. 1 very precise build designed to catch Innovation off guard + 1 cheese. vs Zest, 1 loss, 1 cheese win, 1 macro game win.
So basically, out of 4 games, the only macro game she won was in a broken matchup against a player who is proven to be terrible at that matchup?
Yeah, seems about right.
Does that even matter? If one player is better he should play aggressive and win games from there. No problem to be a few workers behind instead of getting rekt.
No, as we all know if you win with aggressive builds it just means your worse. Good players only play honourable macro games
It doesn't make you worse, but it makes you one-dimensional. If people can understand the cheesy stuff you're doing, you fall apart, unless you can consistently come up with new cheeses - which, well, I don't think Scarlett has done. People celebrate macro play because, even if you understand the macro style someone is using, that doesn't mean the game's over. If you know someone's going to proxy a stargate at a certain location, and you scout that location and see it, you're probably going to win.
Wow Scarlett got rektt. But honestly peole really thought that she could beat in a bo5 a really good and consistent korean player without abusing a match up or have the surprise advantage ?
On March 09 2018 19:10 Fyzar wrote: [quote] Cheese a couple games and suddenly she’s considered best foreigner? Same logic applies tbh.
if u can get ro8 gsl by cheesing a couple of games, then sign me up
tbf she got ro8 gsl by beating billowy and 3 hugely slumping players. This has to be one of the all-time worst Ro8 runs, knowing what we know now about INno and Rogue's form.
soO's run, to be far, wasn't all that much more impressive. He beat NoRegreT and Zest and then beat aLive twice.
Yea but at least he faced Dark so he got to be a #2 seed.
There is always chance to go deep with mostly "cheeses" but at the end of the day lets see if this repeats or not cause one time RO8 is "cheese" but if this repeats its on the players to not let cheesy player to beat them
I do think people are overblowing how much cheese Scarlett really used to get from the ro16 to the ro8. 1 very precise build designed to catch Innovation off guard + 1 cheese. vs Zest, 1 loss, 1 cheese win, 1 macro game win.
So basically, out of 4 games, the only macro game she won was in a broken matchup against a player who is proven to be terrible at that matchup?
Yeah, seems about right.
It's actually a little hilarious how lost Zest is in pvz right now
I totally get it though
Oh yeah pvz looks pretty rough right now, Zest just makes it look way more imbalanced than it really is
On March 09 2018 19:10 Fyzar wrote: [quote] Cheese a couple games and suddenly she’s considered best foreigner? Same logic applies tbh.
if u can get ro8 gsl by cheesing a couple of games, then sign me up
tbf she got ro8 gsl by beating billowy and 3 hugely slumping players. This has to be one of the all-time worst Ro8 runs, knowing what we know now about INno and Rogue's form.
soO's run, to be far, wasn't all that much more impressive. He beat NoRegreT and Zest and then beat aLive twice.
Yea but at least he faced Dark so he got to be a #2 seed.
There is always chance to go deep with mostly "cheeses" but at the end of the day lets see if this repeats or not cause one time RO8 is "cheese" but if this repeats its on the players to not let cheesy player to beat them
I do think people are overblowing how much cheese Scarlett really used to get from the ro16 to the ro8. 1 very precise build designed to catch Innovation off guard + 1 cheese. vs Zest, 1 loss, 1 cheese win, 1 macro game win.
So basically, out of 4 games, the only macro game she won was in a broken matchup against a player who is proven to be terrible at that matchup?
Yeah, seems about right.
Does that even matter? If one player is better he should play aggressive and win games from there. No problem to be a few workers behind instead of getting rekt.
No, as we all know if you win with aggressive builds it just means your worse. Good players only play honourable macro games
shown by dark when he dared to take elazer head-on instead of relying on cheeses
On March 09 2018 19:06 Morbidius wrote: Lose 2 games to the best ZvZer inthe world, and suddenly she's considered garbage?
Cheese a couple games and suddenly she’s considered best foreigner? Same logic applies tbh.
if u can get ro8 gsl by cheesing a couple of games, then sign me up
tbf she got ro8 gsl by beating billowy and 3 hugely slumping players. This has to be one of the all-time worst Ro8 runs, knowing what we know now about INno and Rogue's form.
soO's run, to be far, wasn't all that much more impressive. He beat NoRegreT and Zest and then beat aLive twice.
Yea but at least he faced Dark so he got to be a #2 seed.
There is always chance to go deep with mostly "cheeses" but at the end of the day lets see if this repeats or not cause one time RO8 is "cheese" but if this repeats its on the players to not let cheesy player to beat them
I do think people are overblowing how much cheese Scarlett really used to get from the ro16 to the ro8. 1 very precise build designed to catch Innovation off guard + 1 cheese. vs Zest, 1 loss, 1 cheese win, 1 macro game win.
Thats 2 cheeses and 1 build that will NEVER work again versus intelligent player and one macro game. Dont get me wrong Cheese no cheese its still REALLY impressive to get to CODE S ro8 but there is a reason we see few people get even in ro32 its tough and people prepare vs you. Oh and by the way that 3-rd game today that +1 carapice rush in zvz was another "specific" build that what do you know did NOT work this time. NO zerg has excuse to go +1 attack in muta vs muta battle after 20 years of Starcraft NO ONE!
On March 09 2018 19:16 Muffloe wrote: [quote] if u can get ro8 gsl by cheesing a couple of games, then sign me up
tbf she got ro8 gsl by beating billowy and 3 hugely slumping players. This has to be one of the all-time worst Ro8 runs, knowing what we know now about INno and Rogue's form.
soO's run, to be far, wasn't all that much more impressive. He beat NoRegreT and Zest and then beat aLive twice.
Yea but at least he faced Dark so he got to be a #2 seed.
There is always chance to go deep with mostly "cheeses" but at the end of the day lets see if this repeats or not cause one time RO8 is "cheese" but if this repeats its on the players to not let cheesy player to beat them
I do think people are overblowing how much cheese Scarlett really used to get from the ro16 to the ro8. 1 very precise build designed to catch Innovation off guard + 1 cheese. vs Zest, 1 loss, 1 cheese win, 1 macro game win.
So basically, out of 4 games, the only macro game she won was in a broken matchup against a player who is proven to be terrible at that matchup?
Yeah, seems about right.
It's actually a little hilarious how lost Zest is in pvz right now
I totally get it though
Oh yeah pvz looks pretty rough right now, Zest just makes it look way more imbalanced than it really is
It's quite sad, cause his PvP and PvT are both really good. 3-0'd herO just yesterday. But he can't PvZ for the life of him.
On March 09 2018 19:16 Muffloe wrote: [quote] if u can get ro8 gsl by cheesing a couple of games, then sign me up
tbf she got ro8 gsl by beating billowy and 3 hugely slumping players. This has to be one of the all-time worst Ro8 runs, knowing what we know now about INno and Rogue's form.
soO's run, to be far, wasn't all that much more impressive. He beat NoRegreT and Zest and then beat aLive twice.
Yea but at least he faced Dark so he got to be a #2 seed.
There is always chance to go deep with mostly "cheeses" but at the end of the day lets see if this repeats or not cause one time RO8 is "cheese" but if this repeats its on the players to not let cheesy player to beat them
I do think people are overblowing how much cheese Scarlett really used to get from the ro16 to the ro8. 1 very precise build designed to catch Innovation off guard + 1 cheese. vs Zest, 1 loss, 1 cheese win, 1 macro game win.
So basically, out of 4 games, the only macro game she won was in a broken matchup against a player who is proven to be terrible at that matchup?
Yeah, seems about right.
Does that even matter? If one player is better he should play aggressive and win games from there. No problem to be a few workers behind instead of getting rekt.
No, as we all know if you win with aggressive builds it just means your worse. Good players only play honourable macro games
It doesn't make you worse, but it makes you one-dimensional. If people can understand the cheesy stuff you're doing, you fall apart, unless you can consistently come up with new cheeses - which, well, I don't think Scarlett has done. People celebrate macro play because, even if you understand the macro style someone is using, that doesn't mean the game's over. If you know someone's going to proxy a stargate at a certain location, and you scout that location and see it, you're probably going to win.
On March 09 2018 19:10 Fyzar wrote: [quote] Cheese a couple games and suddenly she’s considered best foreigner? Same logic applies tbh.
if u can get ro8 gsl by cheesing a couple of games, then sign me up
tbf she got ro8 gsl by beating billowy and 3 hugely slumping players. This has to be one of the all-time worst Ro8 runs, knowing what we know now about INno and Rogue's form.
soO's run, to be far, wasn't all that much more impressive. He beat NoRegreT and Zest and then beat aLive twice.
Yea but at least he faced Dark so he got to be a #2 seed.
There is always chance to go deep with mostly "cheeses" but at the end of the day lets see if this repeats or not cause one time RO8 is "cheese" but if this repeats its on the players to not let cheesy player to beat them
I do think people are overblowing how much cheese Scarlett really used to get from the ro16 to the ro8. 1 very precise build designed to catch Innovation off guard + 1 cheese. vs Zest, 1 loss, 1 cheese win, 1 macro game win.
So basically, out of 4 games, the only macro game she won was in a broken matchup against a player who is proven to be terrible at that matchup?
Yeah, seems about right.
Does that even matter? If one player is better he should play aggressive and win games from there. No problem to be a few workers behind instead of getting rekt.
No, as we all know if you win with aggressive builds it just means your worse. Good players only play honourable macro games
It doesn't make you worse, but it's a less reliable method of winning because it relies on luck over skill. If you outmacro/micro someone, then you can confidently say you're the better player. If you get an autowin with some cheese it doesn't mean much in terms of actual skill/how likely you are to win your next match.
Edit: just look at soul vs stats ffs. It's obvious that the better player lost there
On March 09 2018 19:17 Soularion wrote: [quote] tbf she got ro8 gsl by beating billowy and 3 hugely slumping players. This has to be one of the all-time worst Ro8 runs, knowing what we know now about INno and Rogue's form.
soO's run, to be far, wasn't all that much more impressive. He beat NoRegreT and Zest and then beat aLive twice.
Yea but at least he faced Dark so he got to be a #2 seed.
There is always chance to go deep with mostly "cheeses" but at the end of the day lets see if this repeats or not cause one time RO8 is "cheese" but if this repeats its on the players to not let cheesy player to beat them
I do think people are overblowing how much cheese Scarlett really used to get from the ro16 to the ro8. 1 very precise build designed to catch Innovation off guard + 1 cheese. vs Zest, 1 loss, 1 cheese win, 1 macro game win.
So basically, out of 4 games, the only macro game she won was in a broken matchup against a player who is proven to be terrible at that matchup?
Yeah, seems about right.
It's actually a little hilarious how lost Zest is in pvz right now
I totally get it though
Oh yeah pvz looks pretty rough right now, Zest just makes it look way more imbalanced than it really is
It's quite sad, cause his PvP and PvT are both really good. 3-0'd herO just yesterday. But he can't PvZ for the life of him.
in 10 days he at least will be able to not open stargate
On March 09 2018 19:33 Mun_Su wrote: Wow Scarlett got rektt. But honestly peole really thought that she could beat in a bo5 a really good and consistent korean player without abusing a match up or have the surprise advantage ?
Yes, it's not like it's unheard of. Scarlett has a better winrate vs Koreans than most other foreigners. Not saying she was favored at all but I expecte it to at least be closer
On March 09 2018 19:21 FrkFrJss wrote: [quote] soO's run, to be far, wasn't all that much more impressive. He beat NoRegreT and Zest and then beat aLive twice.
Yea but at least he faced Dark so he got to be a #2 seed.
There is always chance to go deep with mostly "cheeses" but at the end of the day lets see if this repeats or not cause one time RO8 is "cheese" but if this repeats its on the players to not let cheesy player to beat them
I do think people are overblowing how much cheese Scarlett really used to get from the ro16 to the ro8. 1 very precise build designed to catch Innovation off guard + 1 cheese. vs Zest, 1 loss, 1 cheese win, 1 macro game win.
So basically, out of 4 games, the only macro game she won was in a broken matchup against a player who is proven to be terrible at that matchup?
Yeah, seems about right.
It's actually a little hilarious how lost Zest is in pvz right now
I totally get it though
Oh yeah pvz looks pretty rough right now, Zest just makes it look way more imbalanced than it really is
It's quite sad, cause his PvP and PvT are both really good. 3-0'd herO just yesterday. But he can't PvZ for the life of him.
in 10 days he at least will be able to not open stargate
He'll be opening double archon drop until he retires
On March 09 2018 19:37 Morbidius wrote: Did she even know soO was going mutas when she started attack upgrade?
Probably not but you shouldn't really cancel in that situation I don't think. I've also seen her intentionally go with attack first before, but that was a long time ago.
On March 09 2018 19:17 Soularion wrote: [quote] tbf she got ro8 gsl by beating billowy and 3 hugely slumping players. This has to be one of the all-time worst Ro8 runs, knowing what we know now about INno and Rogue's form.
soO's run, to be far, wasn't all that much more impressive. He beat NoRegreT and Zest and then beat aLive twice.
Yea but at least he faced Dark so he got to be a #2 seed.
There is always chance to go deep with mostly "cheeses" but at the end of the day lets see if this repeats or not cause one time RO8 is "cheese" but if this repeats its on the players to not let cheesy player to beat them
I do think people are overblowing how much cheese Scarlett really used to get from the ro16 to the ro8. 1 very precise build designed to catch Innovation off guard + 1 cheese. vs Zest, 1 loss, 1 cheese win, 1 macro game win.
So basically, out of 4 games, the only macro game she won was in a broken matchup against a player who is proven to be terrible at that matchup?
Yeah, seems about right.
It's actually a little hilarious how lost Zest is in pvz right now
I totally get it though
Oh yeah pvz looks pretty rough right now, Zest just makes it look way more imbalanced than it really is
It's quite sad, cause his PvP and PvT are both really good. 3-0'd herO just yesterday. But he can't PvZ for the life of him.
On March 09 2018 19:33 Mun_Su wrote: Wow Scarlett got rektt. But honestly peole really thought that she could beat in a bo5 a really good and consistent korean player without abusing a match up or have the surprise advantage ?
Yes, it's not like it's unheard of. Scarlett has a better winrate vs Koreans than most other foreigners. Not saying she was favored at all but I expecte it to at least be closer
Well yes tbf could is harsh to say but i didn't thought that pool bet will be so close..
On March 09 2018 19:21 FrkFrJss wrote: [quote] soO's run, to be far, wasn't all that much more impressive. He beat NoRegreT and Zest and then beat aLive twice.
Yea but at least he faced Dark so he got to be a #2 seed.
There is always chance to go deep with mostly "cheeses" but at the end of the day lets see if this repeats or not cause one time RO8 is "cheese" but if this repeats its on the players to not let cheesy player to beat them
I do think people are overblowing how much cheese Scarlett really used to get from the ro16 to the ro8. 1 very precise build designed to catch Innovation off guard + 1 cheese. vs Zest, 1 loss, 1 cheese win, 1 macro game win.
So basically, out of 4 games, the only macro game she won was in a broken matchup against a player who is proven to be terrible at that matchup?
Yeah, seems about right.
It's actually a little hilarious how lost Zest is in pvz right now
I totally get it though
Oh yeah pvz looks pretty rough right now, Zest just makes it look way more imbalanced than it really is
It's quite sad, cause his PvP and PvT are both really good. 3-0'd herO just yesterday. But he can't PvZ for the life of him.
And of course he gets Dark
Atleast that way he wont eliminate great players before losing in disappointing fashion in a PvZ.
On March 09 2018 19:21 Soularion wrote: [quote] Yea but at least he faced Dark so he got to be a #2 seed.
There is always chance to go deep with mostly "cheeses" but at the end of the day lets see if this repeats or not cause one time RO8 is "cheese" but if this repeats its on the players to not let cheesy player to beat them
I do think people are overblowing how much cheese Scarlett really used to get from the ro16 to the ro8. 1 very precise build designed to catch Innovation off guard + 1 cheese. vs Zest, 1 loss, 1 cheese win, 1 macro game win.
So basically, out of 4 games, the only macro game she won was in a broken matchup against a player who is proven to be terrible at that matchup?
Yeah, seems about right.
It's actually a little hilarious how lost Zest is in pvz right now
I totally get it though
Oh yeah pvz looks pretty rough right now, Zest just makes it look way more imbalanced than it really is
It's quite sad, cause his PvP and PvT are both really good. 3-0'd herO just yesterday. But he can't PvZ for the life of him.
And of course he gets Dark
Atleast that way he wont eliminate great players before losing in disappointing fashion in a PvZ.
You mean Impact? I mean Inno looked pretty bad in GSL and IEM.
On March 09 2018 19:35 Olli wrote: It's quite sad, cause his PvP and PvT are both really good. 3-0'd herO just yesterday. But he can't PvZ for the life of him.
He should just cannon rush and proxy 4 gate every PvZ.
On March 09 2018 19:24 SatsuinoHado wrote: [quote]
There is always chance to go deep with mostly "cheeses" but at the end of the day lets see if this repeats or not cause one time RO8 is "cheese" but if this repeats its on the players to not let cheesy player to beat them
I do think people are overblowing how much cheese Scarlett really used to get from the ro16 to the ro8. 1 very precise build designed to catch Innovation off guard + 1 cheese. vs Zest, 1 loss, 1 cheese win, 1 macro game win.
So basically, out of 4 games, the only macro game she won was in a broken matchup against a player who is proven to be terrible at that matchup?
Yeah, seems about right.
It's actually a little hilarious how lost Zest is in pvz right now
I totally get it though
Oh yeah pvz looks pretty rough right now, Zest just makes it look way more imbalanced than it really is
It's quite sad, cause his PvP and PvT are both really good. 3-0'd herO just yesterday. But he can't PvZ for the life of him.
And of course he gets Dark
Atleast that way he wont eliminate great players before losing in disappointing fashion in a PvZ.
You mean Impact? I mean Inno looked pretty bad in GSL and IEM.
I don't understand what you mean, I wasn't referencing anything in particular.
On March 09 2018 19:27 FrkFrJss wrote: [quote] I do think people are overblowing how much cheese Scarlett really used to get from the ro16 to the ro8. 1 very precise build designed to catch Innovation off guard + 1 cheese. vs Zest, 1 loss, 1 cheese win, 1 macro game win.
So basically, out of 4 games, the only macro game she won was in a broken matchup against a player who is proven to be terrible at that matchup?
Yeah, seems about right.
It's actually a little hilarious how lost Zest is in pvz right now
I totally get it though
Oh yeah pvz looks pretty rough right now, Zest just makes it look way more imbalanced than it really is
It's quite sad, cause his PvP and PvT are both really good. 3-0'd herO just yesterday. But he can't PvZ for the life of him.
And of course he gets Dark
Atleast that way he wont eliminate great players before losing in disappointing fashion in a PvZ.
You mean Impact? I mean Inno looked pretty bad in GSL and IEM.
I don't understand what you mean, I wasn't referencing anything in particular.
You were talking about Zest eliminating great players before losing in PvZ. I assumed this meant Zest eliminating Innovation, as Zest hasn't really eliminated anyone in a while.
On March 09 2018 20:00 Morbidius wrote: Weird thing about that game 1 is that at first Stats supply plumetted, and i was sure Classic had, but then Stats rolled him.
Yeah it was a weird fight for sure, then again my pvp knowledge is extremely limited
On March 09 2018 20:00 Morbidius wrote: Weird thing about that game 1 is that at first Stats supply plumetted, and i was sure Classic had, but then Stats rolled him.
Yeah it was a weird fight for sure, then again my pvp knowledge is extremely limited
On March 09 2018 19:28 Soularion wrote: [quote] So basically, out of 4 games, the only macro game she won was in a broken matchup against a player who is proven to be terrible at that matchup?
Yeah, seems about right.
It's actually a little hilarious how lost Zest is in pvz right now
I totally get it though
Oh yeah pvz looks pretty rough right now, Zest just makes it look way more imbalanced than it really is
It's quite sad, cause his PvP and PvT are both really good. 3-0'd herO just yesterday. But he can't PvZ for the life of him.
And of course he gets Dark
Atleast that way he wont eliminate great players before losing in disappointing fashion in a PvZ.
You mean Impact? I mean Inno looked pretty bad in GSL and IEM.
I don't understand what you mean, I wasn't referencing anything in particular.
You were talking about Zest eliminating great players before losing in PvZ. I assumed this meant Zest eliminating Innovation, as Zest hasn't really eliminated anyone in a while.
I was just referring in general to players that are strong in one matchup and weak in another eliminating a strong player in their strong matchup and then performing poorly against a relatively weaker opponent in their weak matchup.
On March 09 2018 20:05 Fango wrote: Classic vs soO is gonna be another 4-0 isn't it?
How has soO's ZvP looked lately? I can't remember any recent games from him vs toss
It's probably good enough to beat Classic, who's PvZ is a glaring weakness right now
I wouldn't say it's a glaring weakness, yeah he lost badly to Rogue but pvz is zerg favored plus Rogue was on fire. Zest on the other hand has a glaring weakness in pvz
On March 09 2018 20:05 Fango wrote: Classic vs soO is gonna be another 4-0 isn't it?
How has soO's ZvP looked lately? I can't remember any recent games from him vs toss
It's probably good enough to beat Classic, who's PvZ is a glaring weakness right now
It absolutely is not a glaring weakness.
0-4 to Rogue and (what should have been) 0-2 to Elazer doesn't convince me otherwise. Especially considering he looks unbeatable in the other two MUs
He beat elazer and only lost a map to a nydus allin.
Thing is, the reason he didn't lose 0-2 was because of a huge mistake from Elazer, not an amazing play by classic. So I still view it as a lacking PvZ performance. SoO wouldn't make those mistakes outside of a final
On March 09 2018 20:27 Pandain wrote: Really interesting choice to take a third but no upgrades, seems like youre aiming at two different things
He had to, Stats was just gonna sit at home on two bases as long as Classic didn't have a third himself, meaning Stats' upgrade advantage only grows and Classic's not gaining any ground on him (and can't kill him). The goal for Classic there is to kill Stats' army or at least cancel his third for so long that his pure army supply equals out the upgrade disadvantage, and he needs a third to do that.
I'm so happy that mah boy soO made it through but... Damn it all... Classic, why did you have to lose to Stats when your momentum is so insane right now...?