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Charlie Sheens House51325 Posts
Poll: Who Advances?sOs & Classic (18) 43% Classic & Reynor (9) 21% Reynor & sOs (7) 17% Reynor & Ryung (4) 10% Ryung & Classic (3) 7% sOs & Ryung (1) 2% 42 total votes Your vote: Who Advances? (Vote): Classic & Reynor (Vote): sOs & Ryung (Vote): Reynor & sOs (Vote): Ryung & Classic (Vote): sOs & Classic (Vote): Reynor & Ryung
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Reynor came 35 minutes early with his team, setting up his computer and taking selfies. sOs just walked in and waves at them. Reynor has the biggest smile ever on his face. He is so happy to be here.
I am too, and I'm just watching.
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Clasic walks in, confidently and business-like, as though he knows he can get this done. He's happy to be here too, I guess.
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These season 3 outfits. Better than the denim jackets at least
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Italy2573 Posts
GLHF Reynor, do your best!!!
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Australia18228 Posts
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this fucking voiceover lololol
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Strange they're cramming four groups into the same week
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On another note I hope they do something different for GSL vs the world.
Oooh GSL specific map. These usually end up being good but we'll never see it
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Charlie Sheens House51325 Posts
Liqqypiddy guys can you add map pool to the liqqypiddy page so i can add them back into op :D
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Nice to see that GSL once again follows in LRSL's foosteps by including Atlas.
Tho the HotS version was prettier!
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Reynor looks old enough to play GSL but then he starts talking.. :D
GL Reynor!
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Are we not gonna say that Reynor is about to be taken to school?
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Does anyone remember Classic vs State?
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On July 04 2018 18:44 Fango wrote: Does anyone remember Classic vs State?
Only thing I remember about state is Classic Bming him out of Proleague
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Atlas
the "new" map is actually just a reskinned version of this one from 5 years ago - no idea why they randomly brought it back...
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On July 04 2018 18:45 -NegativeZero- wrote:Atlasthe "new" map is actually just a reskinned version of this one from 5 years ago - no idea why they randomly brought it back... They probably saw the LRSL games on LotV version of Sacred Sands. It is a great map.
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On July 04 2018 18:44 LongShot27 wrote:Only thing I remember about state is Classic Bming him out of Proleague In State's first proleague match Classic beat him with proxy one gate. Killed him with two zealots and a stalker
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On July 04 2018 18:46 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2018 18:44 LongShot27 wrote:On July 04 2018 18:44 Fango wrote: Does anyone remember Classic vs State? Only thing I remember about state is Classic Bming him out of Proleague In State's first proleague match Classic beat him with proxy one gate. Killed him with two zealots and a stalker
That's why I said it...
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On July 04 2018 18:46 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2018 18:44 LongShot27 wrote:On July 04 2018 18:44 Fango wrote: Does anyone remember Classic vs State? Only thing I remember about state is Classic Bming him out of Proleague In State's first proleague match Classic beat him with proxy one gate. Killed him with two zealots and a stalker NA players
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So far well defended by Reynor
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On July 04 2018 18:47 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2018 18:46 Fango wrote:On July 04 2018 18:44 LongShot27 wrote:On July 04 2018 18:44 Fango wrote: Does anyone remember Classic vs State? Only thing I remember about state is Classic Bming him out of Proleague In State's first proleague match Classic beat him with proxy one gate. Killed him with two zealots and a stalker That's why I said it... Im pretty sure your post originally said "FlaSh".
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On July 04 2018 18:50 Heartland wrote: So far well defended by Reynor Yeah no, this is over
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On July 04 2018 18:50 Ej_ wrote:Yeah no, this is over
just as I wrote that he lost like five Drones : P
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On July 04 2018 18:47 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2018 18:46 Fango wrote:On July 04 2018 18:44 LongShot27 wrote:On July 04 2018 18:44 Fango wrote: Does anyone remember Classic vs State? Only thing I remember about state is Classic Bming him out of Proleague In State's first proleague match Classic beat him with proxy one gate. Killed him with two zealots and a stalker That's why I said it... I swear you said Flash instead of Classic lol
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Shake it off Reynor. Shake it off.
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Good effort, but Classic is on a different level, expectedly.
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On July 04 2018 18:52 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2018 18:47 LongShot27 wrote:On July 04 2018 18:46 Fango wrote:On July 04 2018 18:44 LongShot27 wrote:On July 04 2018 18:44 Fango wrote: Does anyone remember Classic vs State? Only thing I remember about state is Classic Bming him out of Proleague In State's first proleague match Classic beat him with proxy one gate. Killed him with two zealots and a stalker That's why I said it... I swear you said Flash instead of Classic lol
I was thinking about Flash doing the same thing to Major
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United States32496 Posts
I'm cheering for both players. I just hope they do their best and show us good games
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Classic has lost one pheonix while Reynor lost 4 queens, 12 roaches, and 20 drones
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On July 04 2018 19:04 Fango wrote: Classic has lost one pheonix while Reynor lost 4 queens, 12 roaches, and 20 drones outplayed!
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Rotti must be jizzing in his pants right about now lol
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That weird engage outside of a base, trying to focus down queens should have tipped him off that something was happening. Not necessarily mass phoenix, but that should have made warning bells start ringing
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United States32496 Posts
Welp the #1 Protoss in the world faced an complete newcomer in the GSL. It went the way it was supposed to go :s
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Classic is just too good and honestly don't think anyone expected Reynor to beat him, or to even advance this group. It might be good enought to defeat Ryung
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2 allins vs Ryung and 2 allins vs $o$
EZ
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United States32496 Posts
Neeb and NoRegret at Reynor's booth... I can't imagine what kind of advice they're giving him
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GIVE ATLAS
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Australia18228 Posts
On July 04 2018 19:07 Waxangel wrote: Welp the #1 Protoss in the world faced an complete newcomer in the GSL. It went the way it was supposed to go :s
But uThermal isn't playing in GSL
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Typical weak sOs control, he could have killed that red health SCV several times
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This seems like a weird build to do on a map with a backdoor. Usually the stalker/zealot get a quick cancel on a low ground CC but here Ryung just walled on the highground
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On July 04 2018 19:18 Fango wrote: This seems like a weird build to do on a map with a backdoor. Usually the stalker/zealot get a quick cancel on a low ground CC but here Ryung just walled on the highground
It's sOs so he can basically do whatever the fuck he wants and make it work lol
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It feels so good to see a Protoss army power through those liberator and mine siege bs
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It's sad that we won't get to see the dumpster fire that would be sauce vs Reynor
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Frustrating loss for Ryung, he wanted to make reactor cyclones for so long but the adept shade meant he couldn't lift the barracks.
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Australia18228 Posts
Well Reynor vs Ryung will be interesting but can't see either of them advancing
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That feels even more one-sided than the first series.
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Building two helions there was a mistake.
That first build, the proxy gateway, was the only one thay gave Maru trouble when Zest used it. I'll bet we'll be seeing a lot of that.
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sos just outclassed him.
On July 04 2018 19:32 phantomfive wrote: Building two helions there was a mistake. That first build, the proxy gateway, was the only one thay gave Maru trouble when Zest used it. I'll bet we'll be seeing a lot of that. good points.
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On July 04 2018 19:32 phantomfive wrote:That first build, the proxy gateway, was the only one thay gave Maru trouble when Zest used it. I'll bet we'll be seeing a lot of that. Zest did so much more damage with it than sOs as well. The fact he managed to lose still haunts me
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On July 04 2018 19:40 Heartland wrote: Tasselbubs? Very much so.
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Classic didn't panic lol. If that was me I'd have pulled like 10 probes.
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Truly you are the scion of the Dreamer
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i luv how critical micro moves by even the simplest units like stalkers, zealots and probes can make a huge difference in any battle. Dustin Browder.. take a bow.
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It's a little know fact that sOs is the son of a rock paperscissors champion who married a magician. Stuff comes out of nowhere.
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On July 04 2018 19:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i luv how critical micro moves by even the simplest units like stalkers, zealots and probes can make a huge difference in any battle. Dustin Browder.. take a bow. Well when the armies consist of only 4-5 units better micro will always make a huge difference
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On July 04 2018 19:48 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2018 19:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i luv how critical micro moves by even the simplest units like stalkers, zealots and probes can make a huge difference in any battle. Dustin Browder.. take a bow. Well when the armies consist of only 4-5 units better micro will always make a huge difference true, but the interactions could be gimmicky and boring if the units are poorly designed. like in say.. .C&C4.
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On July 04 2018 19:48 phantomfive wrote: It's a little know fact that sOs is the son of a rock paperscissors champion who married a magician. Stuff comes out of nowhere.
Was that a licensed magician, though?
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I don't trust sOs capacity to micromanage two fights
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Charlotte's Web reference
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Australia18228 Posts
Protoss should be able to steal other player's unpowered buildings
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On July 04 2018 19:55 Inflicted wrote: Protoss should be able to steal other player's unpowered buildings
Hahaha, yes
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Austria24413 Posts
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Classic just gave a headshake and smile like "that was such a joke"
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Great play by sOs. Never had a thought that P v P can be a that good.
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Well, if Classic doesn't get second here, I'll be pretty shocked.
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On July 04 2018 19:55 Inflicted wrote: Protoss should be able to steal other player's unpowered buildings In bw Terrans could actually steal other's addons, I wonder why they removed this feature in sc2.
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On July 04 2018 20:01 yht9657 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2018 19:55 Inflicted wrote: Protoss should be able to steal other player's unpowered buildings In bw Terrans could actually steal other's addons, I wonder why they removed this feature in sc2. They didn't.
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On July 04 2018 20:01 yht9657 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2018 19:55 Inflicted wrote: Protoss should be able to steal other player's unpowered buildings In bw Terrans could actually steal other's addons, I wonder why they removed this feature in sc2. Does it not work in sc2? I've never seen it but I've never seen someone try it either
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My body is ready for another season of Jin Air domination.
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Reynor just came to the stage. He's still smiling a bit but has a shell-shocked look on his face.
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I guessed all the mastermind players in Jin Air players like Rogue, Maru and Sos liked to utilize the proxy builds so much.
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Pretty true that the real gsl starts in ro16, talent pool isn't as deep as it used to be.
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On July 04 2018 20:03 phantomfive wrote: Reynor just came to the stage. He's still smiling a bit but has a shell-shocked look on his face.
What -does- Shellshock look like?
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On July 04 2018 20:08 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2018 20:03 phantomfive wrote: Reynor just came to the stage. He's still smiling a bit but has a shell-shocked look on his face. What -does- Shellshock look like? Like your about to get punched in the face.
In his case, it looks like someone who now has zero confidence.
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Well done so far young reynor!
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Reynor doing pretty good this game. Too bad this series is just to see who loses to Classic though.
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Ryung is playing a bit sloppy. He lacked units or vision to defend some of his bases and has some some weird marine rallys. Still a close game though
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I hope Reynor knew about the nuke and stayed intentionally just out of range. That was too close
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Who actually won that fight?
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On July 04 2018 20:32 Heartland wrote: Who actually won that fight? Ryung, but it was good enough for Reynor considering his bank vs Ryung's
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Ryung might have won that battle, but Reynor might still win because of better econ.
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Italy2573 Posts
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I expect Ryung not to let zerg get to mass BL/Infestor this time
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Guess who's gonna pay a visit to KeSPA jail
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Oh Yeah Reynorrrrrr!!! GG WP
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Damn RyunG has fallen hard. Grats to Reynor!
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Nice! At least he made it to the top 24 best players in the world
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damn, Reynor's gonna take it with the rematch curse now
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rematch curse's first defeat of the season coming up one would imagine
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Was Reynor really behind at any point in those two games? Artosis and tastelss seemed to think so, but he seemed slightly ahead to me basically the whole time.
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On July 04 2018 21:03 phantomfive wrote: Was Reynor really behind at any point in those two games? Artosis and tastelss seemed to think so, but he seemed slightly ahead to me basically the whole time. He was kinda behind at points but just counterattacked with lings and swung the game massively in his favour. Once the game went longer I don't think he was gonna lose.
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I doubt it'll be enough against Classic, but Reynor is really impressing me so far.
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Australia18228 Posts
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This isn't even impressive by Reynor anymore this is just bad from Classic. Twice not haivng hold position on the zealot and twice no prove pull at the 3rd
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Reynor filling the gap in my heart left by Life. This is great.
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I really shouldn't underestimate this curse
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Well played by raynor, was fun to see all the aggressive ling runbys and positioning. Sick templar snipe with mutas too , right before pushing in with hydras :D
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On July 04 2018 20:54 Durnuu wrote: Guess who's gonna pay a visit to KeSPA jail Classic?
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Classic back to his usual shitty PvZ. Without an advantage from the early game he always looks terrible.
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On July 04 2018 21:14 neutralrobot wrote: Reynor filling the gap in my heart left by Life. This is great. That is almost exactly what I was thinking. He has a way to go, but......he just beat the best Protoss in the world.
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Suicide mutas to kill every high templar and a-move LBH to win. These are the kind of moves zergs should be doing.
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I didn't expect this, but I'm so glad he's proving me wrong. So amazing how he's improving in every game he's playing on this stage.
Grande, cazzo
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Reynor has now taken 3 consecutive maps in his GSL group. Kid hasn't played in WCS due to being too young.
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On July 04 2018 21:18 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: Reynor has now taken 3 consecutive maps in his GSL group. Kid hasn't played in WCS due to being too young.
I find it weird that WCS has an age requirement but GSL doesn't....gotta love the GSL.
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The real question now is to see if Classic can remember how to stop zergling harass.
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On July 04 2018 21:20 phantomfive wrote: The real question now is to see if Classic can remember how to stop zergling harass. Apparently so few zergs actually do zergling harass that players forgot how to stop it
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On July 04 2018 21:18 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: Reynor has now taken 3 consecutive maps in his GSL group. Kid hasn't played in WCS due to being too young.
IIRC GSL has an age restriction as well... it's 12.
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Oh my god how did Classic hold that
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Italy2573 Posts
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Ok, classic just showed why he's the best protoss in the world. Reynor.made him play his multitasking game and Classic has won.
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Oh shit that muta switch, vs 17 immortals, lets hope it works :D
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Australia18228 Posts
Muta switch on 1 base economy
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On July 04 2018 21:33 Inflicted wrote: Muta switch on 1 base economy Not to mention Classic already hsa 3 stargates and a fleet beacon
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Artosis kinda overhyping Reynor here. His economy isn't good enough for broodlords.
Edit: Or maybe it is...
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Jesus that was good by Reynor
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damn this game is fun, insane amount of engagements :D
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The amount of stuff zerg can do never ceases to amaze me
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Classic might be the best Protoss in the world, but he's definitely not the best PVZ player.
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Australia18228 Posts
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fuck that nexus snipe whit his 3 corruptors :D
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That 1 tempest wins the game I think
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What the hell is this game O.o
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HOOLLLLLYYY SHITTTTTT!!!!
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W T F REYNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR
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Damn that was prolly the most fun game ive watched in months, insane defense by Classic, and awesome decisionmaking by reynor throughout :D
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Wow Classic went full retard.
Embarrassing display this series.
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WHAT A GAME. GG RAYNOR THAT WAS INSANE!
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THATS A SPICY-A-MEATBALL!
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OH MY GOD! That was incredible.
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I HAVE NOT CHEERED FOR A PLAYER THIS HARD IN YEARS!!!!!! RRRREEEYYYYYNOOOOORRRRRRRRRRR!
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Holy shit! Ridiculous tense game and amazing win!
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Oh my god Reynor you stud
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On July 04 2018 19:07 gingerfluffmuff wrote: WELCOME TO KOREA
Thank you!
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RICCARDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Unbelievable last game!!! That was insane, Reynor pushed Classic to his limits then broke him! O.O
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Austria24413 Posts
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So incredible... it was like watching Life play in his prime.
Reynor fighting!
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This translator looks like Wolf
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Well... I guess Reynor just got a new fan
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On July 04 2018 21:45 Fango wrote: This translator looks like Wolf he does haha
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we are not in the soccer world cup, but apparently pretty good at SC2
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Italy2573 Posts
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On July 04 2018 21:45 VHbb wrote:we are not in the soccer world cup, but apparently pretty good at SC2 No, just Reynor.
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LUL @ Classic, gratz to Reynor
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On July 04 2018 21:47 D-light wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2018 21:45 VHbb wrote:we are not in the soccer world cup, but apparently pretty good at SC2 No, just Reynor.
yeah gg wp for him!! :D so happy
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RO16 at 16, unbelievable.
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Is there not a TL Reynor fan club?
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Reynor does the things zergs should do. The constant counterattacks made it so he couldn't lose the game. The mass amount of lurkers was disgusting. And remembering to use the corruptor anti-building bs won the game in the end
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The translator was like "I'm not gonna have to do anything when he gets 4-0'd...OH SHIT!"
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of course he ends in the trademark "i will try my hardest for my fans, please cheer for me" ending LOL
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In the end, Classic's PvZ comes to bite him in the ass. But Reynor, what a stud this kid is. At 16 freakin' years old. Imagine how good he'll be a few years down the line.
And Jesus, Reynor practiced with Neeb and Stats. Two of the best practice partners you can have to prepare for someone like Classic.
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On July 04 2018 20:02 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2018 20:01 yht9657 wrote:On July 04 2018 19:55 Inflicted wrote: Protoss should be able to steal other player's unpowered buildings In bw Terrans could actually steal other's addons, I wonder why they removed this feature in sc2. Does it not work in sc2? I've never seen it but I've never seen someone try it either
TLO did this in a game vs boxer once on metalopolis many years ago
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Finland855 Posts
If you want to be the best, you have to beat the best. If Classic wants to be talked about in the same vein as Maru, he’ll have to take his game to another level this season. Last season, we saw how he adapted to nemesis Dark as he ousted him from Code S in a very satisfying revenge game. But does he have the resolve to keep refining his play after so much disappointment?
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On July 04 2018 21:45 LongShot27 wrote: USA! USA! USA!
ITALIA!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On July 04 2018 21:48 yht9657 wrote: RO16 at 16, unbelievable. gonna make it to Ro8 at 8, truly a blessed player
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Australia18228 Posts
I have a feeling Korean zergs will pick on him in the group nominations
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On July 04 2018 21:51 Fran_ wrote:ITALIA!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Every country in the world belongs to America."
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On July 04 2018 21:45 VHbb wrote:we are not in the soccer world cup, but apparently pretty good at SC2
Yep. We should pay this kid some good money instead
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On July 04 2018 21:50 Fango wrote: Reynor does the things zergs should do. The constant counterattacks made it so he couldn't lose the game. The mass amount of lurkers was disgusting. And remembering to use the corruptor anti-building bs won the game in the end
If not for the fact that he was doing all these things at the same time against the second strongest player in the world. That was some insane speed and precision. Just insane.
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Is Reynor the next Life in the making?
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On July 04 2018 21:50 GTR wrote: of course he ends in the trademark "i will try my hardest for my fans, please cheer for me" ending LOL Those faceless foreigners stealing Korean money yet again.
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On July 04 2018 21:54 IMSupervisor wrote: Is Reynor the next Life in the making?
Let's hope not.
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Classic is so sad. I always feel sorry for these pro players who lose, but that was an amazing series.
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Seems I decided to check out Sc2 again at the right time. Just WOW. And his play was what I always wanted to see Zergs do... he used both Corruptor ability and he slimed the buildings to stop their production with Overseers.
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Those were some fucking crazy games, I feel like I need a cigarette or something
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I would really love to cheer for a foreign player but without a proper Terran... thats hard
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On July 04 2018 21:54 Fran_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2018 21:50 Fango wrote: Reynor does the things zergs should do. The constant counterattacks made it so he couldn't lose the game. The mass amount of lurkers was disgusting. And remembering to use the corruptor anti-building bs won the game in the end If not for the fact that he was doing all these things at the same time against the second strongest player in the world. That was some insane speed and precision. Just insane. I'm more impressed by his tactics than speed/precision. He wasn't really controlling in multiple areas or outdoing Classic with great micro/macro. He won by attacking in the right places at the right times. I don't even think Classic considered he would get counterattacked by lings or corruptors like that.
He used everything zerg has in the bag and that's something you rarely see. If zergs start playing like him we'll see much more than one in the next ro8
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On July 04 2018 21:59 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2018 21:54 Fran_ wrote:On July 04 2018 21:50 Fango wrote: Reynor does the things zergs should do. The constant counterattacks made it so he couldn't lose the game. The mass amount of lurkers was disgusting. And remembering to use the corruptor anti-building bs won the game in the end If not for the fact that he was doing all these things at the same time against the second strongest player in the world. That was some insane speed and precision. Just insane. I'm more impressed by his tactics than speed/precision. He wasn't really controlling in multiple areas or outdoing Classic with great micro/macro. He won by attacking in the right places at the right times. I don't even think Classic considered he would get counterattacked by lings or corruptors like that. He used everything zerg has in the bag and that's something you rarely see. If zergs start playing like him we'll see much more than one in the next ro8
This is a very good point.
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absolutely INSPIRING play by reynor vs classic. well done kid !!!!!!!
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That was legit. Super exciting series, this coming from someone who finds ZvP a snorefest at the moment. Classic was very shaky on game 1 but that second game was was lit.
Reynor showing some scary zerg play with the level of map awareness, positioning and multi-tasking he displayed. Reminds me of he-who-shall-not-be-named’s + Show Spoiler + counter-attack style. Constantly keeping his opponents busy and on their side of the map. A crazy hard brand of zerg to execute but so exciting to watch as a spectator, especially when pulled off like that!
Loving that happy go lucky grin as well, and the barely containable happiness during the interview. The passionate Italiano style is definitely a refreshing contrast to the archetypal Korean demeanour that we’re used to.
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On July 04 2018 21:59 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2018 21:54 Fran_ wrote:On July 04 2018 21:50 Fango wrote: Reynor does the things zergs should do. The constant counterattacks made it so he couldn't lose the game. The mass amount of lurkers was disgusting. And remembering to use the corruptor anti-building bs won the game in the end If not for the fact that he was doing all these things at the same time against the second strongest player in the world. That was some insane speed and precision. Just insane. I'm more impressed by his tactics than speed/precision. He wasn't really controlling in multiple areas or outdoing Classic with great micro/macro. He won by attacking in the right places at the right times. I don't even think Classic considered he would get counterattacked by lings or corruptors like that. He used everything zerg has in the bag and that's something you rarely see. If zergs start playing like him we'll see much more than one in the next ro8
Worth mentioning, he didn't just counterattack with lings. If there were cannons there, he would send a few roaches to help with it. There was no way to shut down the counterattack permanently with defenses, his opponents constantly have to be ready.
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On July 04 2018 22:11 AaBbCc wrote:That was legit. Super exciting series, this coming from someone who finds ZvP a snorefest at the moment. Classic was very shaky on game 1 but that second game was was lit. Reynor showing some scary zerg play with the level of map awareness, positioning and multi-tasking he displayed. Reminds me of he-who-shall-not-be-named’s + Show Spoiler + counter-attack style. Constantly keeping his opponents busy and on their side of the map. A crazy hard brand of zerg to execute but so exciting to watch as a spectator, especially when pulled off like that! Loving that happy go lucky grin as well, and the barely containable happiness during the interview. The passionate Italiano style is definitely a refreshing contrast to the archetypal Korean demeanour that we’re used to.
Italians do it better :D
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So vs this can protoss ever move Out?
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On July 04 2018 22:12 phantomfive wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2018 21:59 Fango wrote:On July 04 2018 21:54 Fran_ wrote:On July 04 2018 21:50 Fango wrote: Reynor does the things zergs should do. The constant counterattacks made it so he couldn't lose the game. The mass amount of lurkers was disgusting. And remembering to use the corruptor anti-building bs won the game in the end If not for the fact that he was doing all these things at the same time against the second strongest player in the world. That was some insane speed and precision. Just insane. I'm more impressed by his tactics than speed/precision. He wasn't really controlling in multiple areas or outdoing Classic with great micro/macro. He won by attacking in the right places at the right times. I don't even think Classic considered he would get counterattacked by lings or corruptors like that. He used everything zerg has in the bag and that's something you rarely see. If zergs start playing like him we'll see much more than one in the next ro8 Worth mentioning, he didn't just counterattack with lings. If there were cannons there, he would send a few roaches to help with it. There was no way to shut down the counterattack permanently with defenses, his opponents constantly have to be ready. He counterattacked with corruptors to kill the nexus at the end as well. I've always hated that ability but it's great to see a zerg finally using it to great effect.
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On July 04 2018 22:14 darklycid wrote: So vs this can protoss ever move Out?
you can but its 10x harder for the protoss. zerg players will say otherwise. your army is way less mobile and you don’t have permanent revelation (creep). smart positional play has always been nearly impossible against a good zerg so they have to rely on crap like forcefields or high dps amove units and hope you win (immortals/archon/etc)
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On July 04 2018 22:14 darklycid wrote: So vs this can protoss ever move Out? It feels impossible but if you know its coming, you can just leave a small army near home to help defend, or save some army supply for warp ins in the area that gets attacked. I say "just" but this play style is neither easy to play nor defend against.
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Damn Reynor won What an upset!!! Ro16 is going to be fun. I wonder who will try to pick him
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Wow... really sad I completely forgot this is today. But I just watched the twitch vod of the last game. Amazing. Reminded me of Serral so much.
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On July 04 2018 21:50 Fango wrote: Reynor does the things zergs should do. The constant counterattacks made it so he couldn't lose the game. The mass amount of lurkers was disgusting. And remembering to use the corruptor anti-building bs won the game in the end Just Play Like Maru
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On July 04 2018 22:14 darklycid wrote: So vs this can protoss ever move Out?
'Course they can - IMO it requires a different approach than what classic showed.
1) More map awareness from P. For example - more observers watching the various attack paths, squads of units on roving patrols to keep checking for groups of zerg set up to counter. You only move out to posture once you've checked then you assume that Zerg is sending units around yours while you move towards their side of the map.
2) More harassment - a warp prison + proxy pylons to send in units every time he sends an attack towards a protoss base. These attacks don't require much attention or micro from P, with the result being zerg's precision takes a hit as they divert some attention away from to coordinating such incisive strikes.
Yes, yes, I know. much easier said than done - especially for Protoss players like classic and herO who generally like to gain early advantages using sharp early or mid-game timing attacks.
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On July 04 2018 22:34 AaBbCc wrote:'Course they can - IMO it requires a different approach than what classic showed. 1) More map awareness from P. For example - more observers watching the various attack paths, squads of units on roving patrols to keep checking for groups of zerg set up to counter. You only move out to posture once you've checked then you assume that Zerg is sending units around yours while you move towards their side of the map. 2) More harassment - a warp prison + proxy pylons to send in units every time he sends an attack towards a protoss base. These attacks don't require much attention or micro from P, with the result being zerg's precision takes a hit as they divert some attention away from to coordinating such incisive strikes. Yes, yes, I know. much easier said than done - especially for Protoss players like classic and herO who generally like to gain early advantages using sharp early or mid-game timing attacks. To 1) observers Just get killed and you need your robos for other things. Unit squads are also too fragile and you dont want to lose immortals or hts so thats not rly an Option i think especially when zergs Just kill those Units for free and move Back
To 2) harrassment ist pretty hard vs this as Pylons get easily killed by lings and If the prism dies once its difficult to replace it because you need robos for immos :D also vs these pushes you often need all Warp ins at Home
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Reynor! So bloody hyped right now. Will watch the games in the next few days.
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On July 04 2018 22:14 darklycid wrote: So vs this can protoss ever move Out? It's not really necessary if the harass is good enough. If you have enough cannons, batteries and are maxed out it's certainly possible.
Classic's moveout was just a bad time imo. Getting more air units out would have been better.
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On July 04 2018 22:44 DSK wrote: Reynor! So bloody hyped right now. Will watch the games in the next few days. Watch them as soon as you can. The last game vs. Classic is a... classic. Sorry, I had to.
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On July 04 2018 22:42 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2018 22:34 AaBbCc wrote:On July 04 2018 22:14 darklycid wrote: So vs this can protoss ever move Out? 'Course they can - IMO it requires a different approach than what classic showed. 1) More map awareness from P. For example - more observers watching the various attack paths, squads of units on roving patrols to keep checking for groups of zerg set up to counter. You only move out to posture once you've checked then you assume that Zerg is sending units around yours while you move towards their side of the map. 2) More harassment - a warp prison + proxy pylons to send in units every time he sends an attack towards a protoss base. These attacks don't require much attention or micro from P, with the result being zerg's precision takes a hit as they divert some attention away from to coordinating such incisive strikes. Yes, yes, I know. much easier said than done - especially for Protoss players like classic and herO who generally like to gain early advantages using sharp early or mid-game timing attacks. To 1) observers Just get killed and you need your robos for other things. Unit squads are also too fragile and you dont want to lose immortals or hts so thats not rly an Option i think especially when zergs Just kill those Units for free and move Back To 2) harrassment ist pretty hard vs this as Pylons get easily killed by lings and If the prism dies once its difficult to replace it because you need robos for immos :D also vs these pushes you often need all Warp ins at Home Well Zealots are not that useful at home so there are usually some minerals to spare for some counter attack warp-ins (although you need cannons as well. I think Classic's harass was fine though, he made other mistakes.
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On July 04 2018 21:52 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2018 21:51 Fran_ wrote:On July 04 2018 21:45 LongShot27 wrote: USA! USA! USA! ITALIA!!!!!!!!!!!! "Every country in the world belongs to America."
Only if they have oil.
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On July 04 2018 22:49 leublix wrote:It's not really necessary if the harass is good enough. If you have enough cannons, batteries and are maxed out it's certainly possible. Classic's moveout was just a bad time imo. Getting more air units out would have been better. I mean thats how i play pvz on ladder (defend defend defend until Air) but thats pretty stupid gameplay imho
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On July 04 2018 22:34 AaBbCc wrote:'Course they can - IMO it requires a different approach than what classic showed. 1) More map awareness from P. For example - more observers watching the various attack paths, squads of units on roving patrols to keep checking for groups of zerg set up to counter. You only move out to posture once you've checked then you assume that Zerg is sending units around yours while you move towards their side of the map. 2) More harassment - a warp prison + proxy pylons to send in units every time he sends an attack towards a protoss base. These attacks don't require much attention or micro from P, with the result being zerg's precision takes a hit as they divert some attention away from to coordinating such incisive strikes. Yes, yes, I know. much easier said than done - especially for Protoss players like classic and herO who generally like to gain early advantages using sharp early or mid-game timing attacks.
If Zergs start playing like Reynor and Protosses start playing like you describe, the games are going to be so amazing. I remember liquid hero did this kind of thing a lot. Toward the end of his career he crushed Life in proleague doing this kind of harass with dts. You'd think a few spores or overseers would shut that kind of thing down, but it didn't.
Worth mentioning that in game 1 of the first series, he basically died to counter harass.
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On July 04 2018 22:32 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2018 21:50 Fango wrote: Reynor does the things zergs should do. The constant counterattacks made it so he couldn't lose the game. The mass amount of lurkers was disgusting. And remembering to use the corruptor anti-building bs won the game in the end Just Play Like Maru
In some ways it is quite similar to the multi-pronged aggression that successful Terrans often use. A bit harder to pull off as Zerg (IMO) though, given T's relatively shorter list of mechanical tasks that offset their much harder micro requirements needed for good trades. Effectively controlling and utilizing multiple counter-attack groups as Z, while also staying on top of creep spread, injects, overlord positioning, defense, etc. requires pretty slick mechanics! When pulled of though, I the dividends it can pay are obvious - by taking the initiative, Terran is suddenly off Zerg's back for half a minute, without that pressure, the Z player now has more attention available to focus on maintaining their tempo control, all the while is more likely to be able to keep on top of their other zergy jobs.
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amazing play by reynor for game 2.
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Swag
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Wow really shocked that Classic couldn't get through. SoS looked pretty strong at least though. He needs at least a round of 4 I believe to get to Blizzcon. Congrats to Reynor though.
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Amazing.
And does GSL bringing back Atlas mean that no has been making 4 player maps for them? And I'm not surprised to see they kept Eastwatch also :/.
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And here we go with the one million excuses as to why Classic lost. And it's from the people who were hilariously confident he'd be 2-0'd every match and whatnot. People were simply just not aware of how good he was (all the Korean players knew already from ladder). Anyway, huge congrats to Reynor. What a kid
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Wow. This rekindled my passion. And for a Zerg at that? I'm blown away
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Amazing adjustment between the first and last series. Typically you see Koreans do that to foreigners but damn. Reynor’s late game seems pretty legit!
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On July 05 2018 00:18 Heartland wrote: Wow. This rekindled my passion. And for a Zerg at that? I'm blown away Zerg was dominating at the most recent top tier tournament, ehich was homestory cup. Commentators were suggesting korean zergs just haven't had much creativity in their play, and that's wh6 they've been losing.
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Wow, he did it, congrats Reynor! That last game was crazy, can't believe he won that map.
Best zerg counter attacks I've seen in a long time, those 3 10hp corruptors were amazing.
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On July 04 2018 23:50 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Swag
How does it feel to be in first place?
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On July 04 2018 23:50 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Swag
I'm triggered beyond measure
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On July 04 2018 22:53 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2018 22:49 leublix wrote:On July 04 2018 22:14 darklycid wrote: So vs this can protoss ever move Out? It's not really necessary if the harass is good enough. If you have enough cannons, batteries and are maxed out it's certainly possible. Classic's moveout was just a bad time imo. Getting more air units out would have been better. I mean thats how i play pvz on ladder (defend defend defend until Air) but thats pretty stupid gameplay imho It depends on the situation. Reynor didn't have good upgrades and not the greatest economy, sitting back, at least for a bit, seemed like a good choice.
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That last game brought a tear to my eye. Just a great game. Haven't seen a really good scrappy one like that in a long time.
sOs being back in money mode also warms my heart
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On July 04 2018 22:57 phantomfive wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2018 22:34 AaBbCc wrote:On July 04 2018 22:14 darklycid wrote: So vs this can protoss ever move Out? 'Course they can - IMO it requires a different approach than what classic showed. 1) More map awareness from P. For example - more observers watching the various attack paths, squads of units on roving patrols to keep checking for groups of zerg set up to counter. You only move out to posture once you've checked then you assume that Zerg is sending units around yours while you move towards their side of the map. 2) More harassment - a warp prison + proxy pylons to send in units every time he sends an attack towards a protoss base. These attacks don't require much attention or micro from P, with the result being zerg's precision takes a hit as they divert some attention away from to coordinating such incisive strikes. Yes, yes, I know. much easier said than done - especially for Protoss players like classic and herO who generally like to gain early advantages using sharp early or mid-game timing attacks. If Zergs start playing like Reynor and Protosses start playing like you describe, the games are going to be so amazing. I remember liquid hero did this kind of thing a lot. Toward the end of his career he crushed Life in proleague doing this kind of harass with dts. You'd think a few spores or overseers would shut that kind of thing down, but it didn't. Worth mentioning that in game 1 of the first series, he basically died to counter harass. Not sure which tournament but there were some sick Serral vs Neeb games with this kind of style at the start of the year.
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Best fucking game. Thanks kid
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On July 05 2018 01:07 phantomfive wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2018 00:18 Heartland wrote: Wow. This rekindled my passion. And for a Zerg at that? I'm blown away Zerg was dominating at the most recent top tier tournament, ehich was homestory cup. Commentators were suggesting korean zergs just haven't had much creativity in their play, and that's wh6 they've been losing. A tournament won by a Terran player in the end...
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Still think mass cannons + batterys are very underrated as defensive measures. Great job Reynor.
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On July 05 2018 01:07 phantomfive wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2018 00:18 Heartland wrote: Wow. This rekindled my passion. And for a Zerg at that? I'm blown away Zerg was dominating at the most recent top tier tournament, ehich was homestory cup. Commentators were suggesting korean zergs just haven't had much creativity in their play, and that's wh6 they've been losing.
I meant that I don't feel anything for Zerg except pleasure as they're roasted by lasers. But this time Reynor made Zerg fun!
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On July 04 2018 21:52 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2018 21:51 Fran_ wrote:On July 04 2018 21:45 LongShot27 wrote: USA! USA! USA! ITALIA!!!!!!!!!!!! "Every country in the world belongs to America."
That´s what i really really hate about the States. So arrogant.
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On July 05 2018 04:51 Rob-Zero wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2018 21:52 LongShot27 wrote:On July 04 2018 21:51 Fran_ wrote:On July 04 2018 21:45 LongShot27 wrote: USA! USA! USA! ITALIA!!!!!!!!!!!! "Every country in the world belongs to America." That´s what i really really hate about the States. So arrogant.
That's what i really really hate about Germany. No humor.
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On July 05 2018 05:43 SpikeStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2018 04:51 Rob-Zero wrote:On July 04 2018 21:52 LongShot27 wrote:On July 04 2018 21:51 Fran_ wrote:On July 04 2018 21:45 LongShot27 wrote: USA! USA! USA! ITALIA!!!!!!!!!!!! "Every country in the world belongs to America." That´s what i really really hate about the States. So arrogant. That's what i really really hate about Germany. No humor.
No bad humor, no. Good humor a lot. And I´m not even german. And when this stuff is so funny, why i never hear Americans shout "Italy! Italy!" when Neeb wins something ? When it started with Polt i thought it was funny, but when it happens every time someone from outside the US wins something then its just arrogant. But okay, on topic, really insane that Reynor was able to pull that off, played really well overall and in the last game i thought he was going to lose several times, but somehow he made it. Now it will be very interesting to see what he can do in the Ro16, after beating Classic he can surely seriously challenge nearly anyone else.
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Amazing amazing game. That's what LOTV should be. Who can multi-task the best? Who can defend, harass, attack at multiple simultaneous locations
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1/1 for GSL Ro32, confirmed best foreigner already
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On July 05 2018 08:44 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: 1/1 for GSL Ro32, confirmed best foreigner already To be honest I'm feeling the Reynor hype more than Serral right now. Serral tends to win games by simply having vastly superior mechanics to his opponents, but it's unclear if that will hold up against the best koreans (when they eventually meet). Reynor won his games today with great tactics and decision making. Korean zergs don't seem to embrace that side all too much.
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On July 04 2018 23:50 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Swag
Nicely done. I voted Classic & Reynor. I figured it was a foolish choice, but I went half head and half heart. Turns out I shoulda gone 100% all heart for once!
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Wow Reynor is incredibly fast... he was actually crushing Classic with it, hard to believe. And he has excellent micro and group control. Classic is no joke when it comes to speed and control either but he fell behind and had to stabilise, he probably wasn't even ready for it. This kid is gonna go far if he can keep up that level of play. Awesome series.
Stats you traitor
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I can't remember the last time I saw a protoss with like a maxed out vs. 150 zerg (sorry if that's not exactly correct but you get the gist) lose...that was an amazing game 2. This Reynor kid is going places...just hope he doesn't hit Maru (but then who can actually beat him, haha).
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His next opponent will have a chance to analyze his builds and adjust. He looked good the last game, but he looked really bad the first two games.
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Damn... just watched the vods. You can pencil me a fan of Reynor!
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Finally was able to catch the vod and wow Reynor's play was vintage. Hope to see his success continue.
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On July 05 2018 11:44 jjmmtt wrote:Wow Reynor is incredibly fast... he was actually crushing Classic with it, hard to believe. And he has excellent micro and group control. Classic is no joke when it comes to speed and control either but he fell behind and had to stabilise, he probably wasn't even ready for it. This kid is gonna go far if he can keep up that level of play. Awesome series. Stats you traitor
Some interesting data points: - Riccardo (Reynor) goes to high school in Italy, which goes from 8am to 1pm every day excluding weekends - Homeworks are mandatory and take few hours every day - According to a recent interview, he could play only 2/3 games a day in the evening before sleep for about 9 months every year - He started training seriously only since end of May when school closed - When he had to choose between attending the BTSL finals in Vancouver and going to school, he chose school because he had to miss too many days to attend WESG.
And he's that good.
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On July 06 2018 01:42 Fran_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2018 11:44 jjmmtt wrote:Wow Reynor is incredibly fast... he was actually crushing Classic with it, hard to believe. And he has excellent micro and group control. Classic is no joke when it comes to speed and control either but he fell behind and had to stabilise, he probably wasn't even ready for it. This kid is gonna go far if he can keep up that level of play. Awesome series. Stats you traitor Some interesting data points: - Riccardo (Reynor) goes to high school in Italy, which goes from 8am to 1pm every day excluding weekends - Homeworks are mandatory and take few hours every day - According to a recent interview, he could play only 2/3 games a day in the evening before sleep for about 9 months every year - He started training seriously only since end of May when school closed - When he had to choose between attending the BTSL finals in Vancouver and going to school, he chose school because he had to miss too many days to attend WESG. And he's that good.
8am - 1pm? Man I wish I were Italian, my school lasted from like 7a-3p lol.
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On July 06 2018 01:42 Fran_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2018 11:44 jjmmtt wrote:Wow Reynor is incredibly fast... he was actually crushing Classic with it, hard to believe. And he has excellent micro and group control. Classic is no joke when it comes to speed and control either but he fell behind and had to stabilise, he probably wasn't even ready for it. This kid is gonna go far if he can keep up that level of play. Awesome series. Stats you traitor Some interesting data points: - Riccardo (Reynor) goes to high school in Italy, which goes from 8am to 1pm every day excluding weekends - Homeworks are mandatory and take few hours every day - According to a recent interview, he could play only 2/3 games a day in the evening before sleep for about 9 months every year - He started training seriously only since end of May when school closed - When he had to choose between attending the BTSL finals in Vancouver and going to school, he chose school because he had to miss too many days to attend WESG. And he's that good.
Reynor is really good, and yes, he is doing school, but let`s be serious here, we all went to school but also played at least 4-5 hours a day, doing also homeworks and all. He may be not full time, but to say he plays 2/3games a day is a big joke.
Anyhow congrats to him, hope he can become someone who makes Serral bleed.
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Did anyone notice tastosis speak like rick and morty, I was utterly surprised.. like two video content universes merged together
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Can't believe that last game, even if it was a Korean Zerg, that play would have been impressive, that literally constant harassment throughout that game was awesome, but that he is a foreigner playing Classic was even more awesome. He looked like he was drunk on happiness in his interview.
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Reynor
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Watching the vods (awesome that the live replay is on twitch GSL channel btw, things change), it was great ! Especially after he got 2-0ed first.
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On July 06 2018 02:12 jarodtou wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2018 01:42 Fran_ wrote:On July 05 2018 11:44 jjmmtt wrote:Wow Reynor is incredibly fast... he was actually crushing Classic with it, hard to believe. And he has excellent micro and group control. Classic is no joke when it comes to speed and control either but he fell behind and had to stabilise, he probably wasn't even ready for it. This kid is gonna go far if he can keep up that level of play. Awesome series. Stats you traitor Some interesting data points: - Riccardo (Reynor) goes to high school in Italy, which goes from 8am to 1pm every day excluding weekends - Homeworks are mandatory and take few hours every day - According to a recent interview, he could play only 2/3 games a day in the evening before sleep for about 9 months every year - He started training seriously only since end of May when school closed - When he had to choose between attending the BTSL finals in Vancouver and going to school, he chose school because he had to miss too many days to attend WESG. And he's that good. Reynor is really good, and yes, he is doing school, but let`s be serious here, we all went to school but also played at least 4-5 hours a day, doing also homeworks and all. He may be not full time, but to say he plays 2/3games a day is a big joke. Anyhow congrats to him, hope he can become someone who makes Serral bleed.
The 2/3 games is a "joke" Reynor made in an interview and I see no reason why he should lie about it.
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With Classic eliminated, how does seeding work for ro16? Is it just next in line in WCS points?
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On July 18 2018 02:18 hegemony wrote: With Classic eliminated, how does seeding work for ro16? Is it just next in line in WCS points? Not WCS points, GSL points. Similar concept, but not the same thing.
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On July 18 2018 02:30 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2018 02:18 hegemony wrote: With Classic eliminated, how does seeding work for ro16? Is it just next in line in WCS points? Not WCS points, GSL points. Similar concept, but not the same thing. Yeah, but in this case, they probably come up with the same result in Stats.
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On July 18 2018 02:34 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2018 02:30 Elentos wrote:On July 18 2018 02:18 hegemony wrote: With Classic eliminated, how does seeding work for ro16? Is it just next in line in WCS points? Not WCS points, GSL points. Similar concept, but not the same thing. Yeah, but in this case, they probably come up with the same result in Stats. Yup. If Stats had also dropped out it would be Dark.
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