Lambo wrote on sunday on Twitter that he is pretty sick + he lost vs MaNa in group stage, who's probably weaker than PtitDrogo, while PtitDrogo won against Reynor, who's probably better than Lambo... I think Ptit could win this...
Anybody knows how the Reynor vs Ptit games looked like?
On March 14 2019 01:05 Kimb3r wrote: Lambo wrote on sunday on Twitter that he is pretty sick + he lost vs MaNa in group stage, who's probably weaker than PtitDrogo, while PtitDrogo won against Reynor, who's probably better than Lambo... I think Ptit could win this...
Anybody knows how the Reynor vs Ptit games looked like?
One of the games was a simple timing attack that Reynor just wasnt ready for. Was too greedy and went directly into 3 base hydra - no banes, no roaches. The other game Reynor was too greedy again, and didnt build a spore at his third (or maybe any base, I dont recall) and Drogo sniped the third with dts and the game snow-balled from there into another timing attack that Reynor couldnt hold with hydras.
I agree that Lambo is not looking strong, and to be honest he has never really lived up to the hype given to him by others or himself. Drogo has been looking his best recently, and I know he plays a decent amount with Serral.
On March 14 2019 01:05 Kimb3r wrote: Lambo wrote on sunday on Twitter that he is pretty sick + he lost vs MaNa in group stage, who's probably weaker than PtitDrogo, while PtitDrogo won against Reynor, who's probably better than Lambo... I think Ptit could win this...
Anybody knows how the Reynor vs Ptit games looked like?
One of the games was a simple timing attack that Reynor just wasnt ready for. Was too greedy and went directly into 3 base hydra - no banes, no roaches. The other game Reynor was too greedy again, and didnt build a spore at his third (or maybe any base, I dont recall) and Drogo sniped the third with dts and the game snow-balled from there into another timing attack that Reynor couldnt hold with hydras.
I agree that Lambo is not looking strong, and to be honest he has never really lived up to the hype given to him by others or himself. Drogo has been looking his best recently, and I know he plays a decent amount with Serral.
Interesting aspect that he trains with Serral. Nothing to fret about. Thanks for the info!
Especially his interview at IEM where he boasted that he didn't really train and his whole conceited behavior was a little bit irritating.
On March 14 2019 04:11 Charoisaur wrote: Neeb somehow has really strong PvT right now so I think he should be favored against Maru and later vs Inno. Neeb vs Dark finals is likely.
On March 14 2019 02:11 JJH777 wrote: About how long has it been taking WESG to get through each series? I want to try to get up for Maru vs Neeb.
Roughly an hour per series from what I've seen. Ofc it depends on whether the series is 3-0 or 3-2, cheese or macro, etc. No way for average time to be consistent.
On March 14 2019 04:11 Charoisaur wrote: Neeb somehow has really strong PvT right now so I think he should be favored against Maru and later vs Inno. Neeb vs Dark finals is likely.
*cough* Neeb already lost a game to Maru in the WESG group stage *cough* 2-1 though + Show Spoiler +
btw this comment is a trap, if you get it then I applaud your research and that you've done your homework
On March 14 2019 04:11 Charoisaur wrote: Neeb somehow has really strong PvT right now so I think he should be favored against Maru and later vs Inno. Neeb vs Dark finals is likely.
*cough* Neeb already lost a game to Maru in the WESG group stage *cough* 2-1 though + Show Spoiler +
btw this comment is a trap, if you get it then I applaud your research and that you've done your homework
The fact that people need to explain their own sarcasm on the internet is regrettable. Damn Poe's law.
On March 14 2019 04:11 Charoisaur wrote: Neeb somehow has really strong PvT right now so I think he should be favored against Maru and later vs Inno. Neeb vs Dark finals is likely.
*cough* Neeb already lost a game to Maru in the WESG group stage *cough* 2-1 though + Show Spoiler +
btw this comment is a trap, if you get it then I applaud your research and that you've done your homework
The fact that people need to explain their own sarcasm on the internet is regrettable. Damn Poe's law.
Well I wanted to have some fun but at the same time didn't want to deal with people who didn't know that Masa' actual name was Maru so....
What a wrong assesment of Drogos chances apparently... pretty bad decision making going into the Zergs base instead of recalling back home when that Nydus came...
On March 14 2019 16:19 IshinShishi wrote: nydus fiesta is clearly tilting drogo lmao
honestly i think this is what Nydus was meant to be used. I dont feel like it s getting nerfed cuz so many zergs are using it for lategame army movement and flanks, but because it makes allining with queens so much easier.
On March 14 2019 16:19 IshinShishi wrote: nydus fiesta is clearly tilting drogo lmao
honestly i think this is what Nydus was meant to be used. I dont feel like it s getting nerfed cuz so many zergs are using it for lategame army movement and flanks, but because it makes allining with queens so much easier.
Have to agree, how many of worms finished because Drogo couldn't kill it fast enough? One or two? Armor nerf won't change the ping-ping army movement and that's what tore him apart.
Less armor will make them weaker for allins though, and that's good.
On March 14 2019 16:19 IshinShishi wrote: nydus fiesta is clearly tilting drogo lmao
honestly i think this is what Nydus was meant to be used. I dont feel like it s getting nerfed cuz so many zergs are using it for lategame army movement and flanks, but because it makes allining with queens so much easier.
its too cheap, its like you could have empty medivacs summoning bio for half the money anywhere you want all the time in multiple locations
pulling probes is just not doing anything, drogo didnt scout with his adept early on, had no idea lambo didnt have a 3rd. you need to get óut an immortal quicker vs 2 hatches
On March 14 2019 17:09 Zerg.Zilla wrote: Why would you attack into that?! -.-"
Because he almost won with it? inno was like 20 supply off having 3 colossus camping his natural ramp.
That attack was fine but he tried again
disagree, the first attack was utterly stupid. If there was like 3 or 4 mines sitting near the natural / 3rd those zealots melt and that fight looks ridiculous. Once he did break through and still having his colossus alive it was a good move, but Inno's +2 ship weapons kicked in right as rail went in for round 2.
On March 14 2019 17:09 Zerg.Zilla wrote: Why would you attack into that?! -.-"
Because he almost won with it? inno was like 20 supply off having 3 colossus camping his natural ramp.
That attack was fine but he tried again
disagree, the first attack was utterly stupid. If there was like 3 or 4 mines sitting near the natural / 3rd those zealots melt and that fight looks ridiculous. Once he did break through and still having his colossus alive it was a good move, but Inno's +2 ship weapons kicked in right as rail went in for round 2.
I dont know if i would call it utterly stupid since Rail did test the waters first (and it ended up working for him), but if i were in his position i wouldnt have done it - i wouldve just tried to macro up, map control, and prevent any push instead of trying to break inno right then and there
He shouldve stopped after he forced evacuation but failed to kill CC imo.
What I meant was that "round 2" was questionable af. It looks like he got tunnel vision at that point
This is gonna be a good one. I think Dark finally gets his revenge, but still trying to keep the Maru vs Serral dream alive. It'd also be funny to see Dark get humbled again
Thought long and hard about Serral vs Dark, and I think 3-1 is just not gonna happen. I think it's gonna be super nail-biting, same as Neeb vs Maru, good day for SC2 *fingers crossed*
On March 14 2019 17:46 xongnox wrote: he saw protoss 4th base before building his 3rd. No way in hell you don't take the boys.
neeb was never able to beat maru until recently because he'd always play greedy af
He played pretty damn greedy against Maru at IEM still. Game 1 he went up to three bases of three gateways while getting blink, and game 2 he even took a fourth base while Maru was doing two base allin aggression.
I believe in neeb's ability to win macro games against the best, but it just feels like a lot lot lot of things would have to go right (or go wrong for maru) for him to win a bo5. I'd fancy him in a bo3, no doubt, but not for a longer series
On March 14 2019 18:11 xongnox wrote: Maru seems kinda lost in TvP, Neeb is in good form, and TvP is... let's say hard. So Neeb totally can win, i would way 50/50 chance.
On March 14 2019 18:11 xongnox wrote: Maru seems kinda lost in TvP, Neeb is in good form, and TvP is... let's say hard. So Neeb totally can win, i would way 50/50 chance.
You're in SC2 section, 40-40
Can someone explain 40-40 instead of 50-50 to me please?
On March 14 2019 18:11 xongnox wrote: Maru seems kinda lost in TvP, Neeb is in good form, and TvP is... let's say hard. So Neeb totally can win, i would way 50/50 chance.
You're in SC2 section, 40-40
Can someone explain 40-40 instead of 50-50 to me please?
On March 14 2019 18:11 xongnox wrote: Maru seems kinda lost in TvP, Neeb is in good form, and TvP is... let's say hard. So Neeb totally can win, i would way 50/50 chance.
You're in SC2 section, 40-40
Can someone explain 40-40 instead of 50-50 to me please?
There's this beautiful guy Golden and Day9's laugh. When Golden was asked for his chances he understood it as what's the score of your training games or something similar and answered almost 40-40
Edit> I put the video in spoiler as it's alraedy here + Show Spoiler +
On March 14 2019 18:16 HolydaKing wrote: Serral didn't drone closely enough in the early game and remained behind in that regard for the whole game, which essentially killed him.
He droned fine, he just lost like 15 if not more to Dark's ling/bane.
On March 14 2019 18:11 xongnox wrote: Maru seems kinda lost in TvP, Neeb is in good form, and TvP is... let's say hard. So Neeb totally can win, i would way 50/50 chance.
You're in SC2 section, 40-40
Can someone explain 40-40 instead of 50-50 to me please?
On March 14 2019 18:16 HolydaKing wrote: Serral didn't drone closely enough in the early game and remained behind in that regard for the whole game, which essentially killed him.
Yes, but let's not totally forget that Dark took a gamble, going blindly for double expand before pool.... Which sure, if works give you an eco advantage.
Not to take anything away from him, it's a calculated risk, and it's not auto-win even if you get away with it, but yeah...
I wouldnt read that much into this one game, let s see the rest
On March 14 2019 17:46 xongnox wrote: he saw protoss 4th base before building his 3rd. No way in hell you don't take the boys.
neeb was never able to beat maru until recently because he'd always play greedy af
He played pretty damn greedy against Maru at IEM still. Game 1 he went up to three bases of three gateways while getting blink, and game 2 he even took a fourth base while Maru was doing two base allin aggression.
well, neeb lost game 1 lol
and in game 2, maru got played pretty hard by neeb
maru only pushed with 1 tank thinking neeb was going for chargelots, and decided to split his all in by sending a drop to the main. neeb anticipated the drop and had a colossus army waiting for the drop. neeb lost almost nothing
On March 14 2019 17:46 xongnox wrote: he saw protoss 4th base before building his 3rd. No way in hell you don't take the boys.
neeb was never able to beat maru until recently because he'd always play greedy af
He played pretty damn greedy against Maru at IEM still. Game 1 he went up to three bases of three gateways while getting blink, and game 2 he even took a fourth base while Maru was doing two base allin aggression.
well, neeb lost game 1 lol
and in game 2, maru got played pretty hard by neeb
maru only pushed with 1 tank thinking neeb was going for chargelots, and decided to split his all in by sending a drop to the main. neeb anticipated the drop and had a colossus army waiting for the drop. neeb lost almost nothing
And that changes the point how? The point being that Neeb still played greedy.
On March 14 2019 18:22 BerserkSword wrote: serral is pissed lmao
I remember that match in 2015 MC vs Stardust in WCS EU S1. Stardust won the first game, he danced his stalkers then MC 'was pissed' and he just 3-0's Stardust after losing the first game.
On March 14 2019 17:46 xongnox wrote: he saw protoss 4th base before building his 3rd. No way in hell you don't take the boys.
neeb was never able to beat maru until recently because he'd always play greedy af
He played pretty damn greedy against Maru at IEM still. Game 1 he went up to three bases of three gateways while getting blink, and game 2 he even took a fourth base while Maru was doing two base allin aggression.
well, neeb lost game 1 lol
and in game 2, maru got played pretty hard by neeb
maru only pushed with 1 tank thinking neeb was going for chargelots, and decided to split his all in by sending a drop to the main. neeb anticipated the drop and had a colossus army waiting for the drop. neeb lost almost nothing
And that changes the point how? The point being that Neeb still played greedy.
completely neutralizing an all-in and expanding is not playing greedy
On March 14 2019 17:46 xongnox wrote: he saw protoss 4th base before building his 3rd. No way in hell you don't take the boys.
neeb was never able to beat maru until recently because he'd always play greedy af
He played pretty damn greedy against Maru at IEM still. Game 1 he went up to three bases of three gateways while getting blink, and game 2 he even took a fourth base while Maru was doing two base allin aggression.
well, neeb lost game 1 lol
and in game 2, maru got played pretty hard by neeb
maru only pushed with 1 tank thinking neeb was going for chargelots, and decided to split his all in by sending a drop to the main. neeb anticipated the drop and had a colossus army waiting for the drop. neeb lost almost nothing
And that changes the point how? The point being that Neeb still played greedy.
completely neutralizing an all-in and expanding is not playing greedy
it's playing smart
Taking a fourth while holding an allin is pretty fucking greedy. Just because he won doesn't mean he didn't play greedy.
On March 14 2019 18:27 BerserkSword wrote: why are people in this twitch chat cheering for USA and serral
dude is from finland
I'd imagine this is in reference to an old meme about Stephano and Polt. Long before the days of Neeb and actually having a player that was remotely top-tier, we just made good players honorary citizens >_>
On March 14 2019 17:46 xongnox wrote: he saw protoss 4th base before building his 3rd. No way in hell you don't take the boys.
neeb was never able to beat maru until recently because he'd always play greedy af
He played pretty damn greedy against Maru at IEM still. Game 1 he went up to three bases of three gateways while getting blink, and game 2 he even took a fourth base while Maru was doing two base allin aggression.
well, neeb lost game 1 lol
and in game 2, maru got played pretty hard by neeb
maru only pushed with 1 tank thinking neeb was going for chargelots, and decided to split his all in by sending a drop to the main. neeb anticipated the drop and had a colossus army waiting for the drop. neeb lost almost nothing
And that changes the point how? The point being that Neeb still played greedy.
completely neutralizing an all-in and expanding is not playing greedy
it's playing smart
Taking a fourth while holding an allin is pretty fucking greedy. Just because he won doesn't mean he didn't play greedy.
Neeb is a macro player and Maru is a micro player, and it's PvT
it's not greedy at all imo
i used to main protoss and i definitely wouldve done the same since at that point protoss army is still garbage at breaking terran
If Dark had been able to put an evo where the red square is (prevented by the debris), it's a full wall until Serral kills said evo, which he couldn't have done because he didn't have any banes left (and the evo chamber at the very bottom didn't die, and I believe (not sure) Dark would get another wall if an evo were placed in the blue square). It wasn't a guaranteed hold (because Dark lost the roach warren), but Serral wouldn't have gotten in that early which obviously gives Dark a better chance to hold.
On March 14 2019 18:31 Zambrah wrote: To be fair, Maru did lose to Leenock in IEM because he beat Leenock's all in, expanded greedily, and then died to Leenock's desperation all in.
Beating an all in and then getting super greedy is risky if you aren't going to be able to handle a follow up appropriately
Yeah happens to all of us. Stretching a lead by being unnecessarily greedy when all you need to do is play safe and losing the game is just unfortunate
Thought long and hard about Serral vs Dark, and I think 3-1 is just not gonna happen. I think it's gonna be super nail-biting, same as Neeb vs Maru, good day for SC2 *fingers crossed*
I dont understand why Koreans never learn... Serral is always doing this its his signature play to send burrowed roaches left and right. Just get spores in the pathways for fuck sake and split your army better and you are fine. Well, clearly Dark is a level below Serral and cant keep up with the multitasking
If Dark had been able to put an evo where the red square is (prevented by the debris), it's a full wall until Serral kills said evo, which he couldn't have done because he didn't have any banes left (and the evo chamber at the very bottom didn't die, and I believe (not sure) Dark would get another wall if an evo were placed in the blue square). It wasn't a guaranteed hold (because Dark lost the roach warren), but Serral wouldn't have gotten in that early which obviously gives Dark a better chance to hold.
Interesting, it would probably had a better chance of making the game more even! Most people kill it when they had the chance and I guess Dark will start doing that now!
On March 14 2019 18:40 MarianoSC2 wrote: I dont understand why Koreans never learn... Serral is always doing this its his signature play to send burrowed roaches left and right. Just get spores in the pathways for fuck sake and split your army better and you are fine. Well, clearly Dark is a level below Serral and cant keep up with the multitasking
I mean.. you're basically saying just play better. It's generally easier to be the roach burrow harraser than defender. Dark was extremely behind regardless, the harassment just felt like icing on the win.
On March 14 2019 18:31 Zambrah wrote: To be fair, Maru did lose to Leenock in IEM because he beat Leenock's all in, expanded greedily, and then died to Leenock's desperation all in.
Beating an all in and then getting super greedy is risky if you arent going to be able to handle a follow up appropriately
that's TvZ, not PvT, and the scenarios were different too. Neeb did delay Maru's 2nd
Maru played extremely greedily, Neeb didnt (in game 2)
On March 14 2019 18:51 MarianoSC2 wrote: Lol Dark. Still terrible in ZvZ :D
I wouldn't call it terrible, but I guess being top 4 in the world at a matchup doesn't do it for MarianoSC2, the renowned sc2 analyst and zerg vs zerg mirror expert
Serral's consistency is unbelievable. He's been at the very top for so long that I start to doubt that he can keep the level any more. But he keeps delivering. Amazing.
If Dark had been able to put an evo where the red square is (prevented by the debris), it's a full wall until Serral kills said evo, which he couldn't have done because he didn't have any banes left (and the evo chamber at the very bottom didn't die, and I believe (not sure) Dark would get another wall if an evo were placed in the blue square). It wasn't a guaranteed hold (because Dark lost the roach warren), but Serral wouldn't have gotten in that early which obviously gives Dark a better chance to hold.
On March 14 2019 18:55 Poopi wrote: I have a feeling Neeb will rob us of Serral vs Maru finals
yes he will instead bless us with the Neeb vs Serral Finals that we were robbed of the entirety of last year in WCS, and we will be shown who is the current best foreigner.
On March 14 2019 18:55 Poopi wrote: I have a feeling Neeb will rob us of Serral vs Maru finals
Depends, if Maru kicks in with his Code S play off standard, Neeb doesn't stand a chance. If not, Maru is so shaky it can be 3:0 for Neeb at this state of the game.
On March 14 2019 18:58 HolydaKing wrote: I think Scarlett is more scary for Serral than Dark. Their (last?) series was a damn close 3-2 for Serral, but we'll see.
Scarlett's style always works well against Serral but she usually chokes against him
On March 14 2019 18:51 MarianoSC2 wrote: Lol Dark. Still terrible in ZvZ :D
I wouldn't call it terrible, but I guess being top 4 in the world at a matchup doesn't do it for MarianoSC2, the renowned sc2 analyst and zerg vs zerg mirror expert
He might be top 4 (4th, and I am really not sure about that, wouldnt bet on him even against guys like Reynor or Lambo), but there is such a huge skill difference between 3rd and 4th that yes, it does not do it for me. He is just bad, slow, and cant multitask in the matchup.
On March 14 2019 18:55 Poopi wrote: I have a feeling Neeb will rob us of Serral vs Maru finals
Depends, if Maru kicks in with his Code S play off standard, Neeb doesn't stand a chance. If not, Maru is so shaky it can be 3:0 for Neeb at this state of the game.
Seeing MarineLord replies on various threads I don't think Maru stands much of a chance but hopefully he wins
Maru vs Serral bo7 for the WESG2017 revenge at WESG2018 would be epic
On March 14 2019 18:58 BerserkSword wrote: im rooting for the American of course, but i don't think Neeb is beating Maru lol
He did at IEM. Maru is shakier than before, it can happen.
Didn't Maru 3-0 Elazer yesterday? I know it's a different matchup but how is sweeping Elazer showing shaky performance? Unless Elazer just straight up played garbage
On March 14 2019 18:49 Geo.Rion wrote: Muta switch coming again, doesnt look like Serral caught it Yeah, this does look good for Dark
Say what?
I gotta say, Mutas barely ever do enough damage against Serral. It feels like he wins almost all matches where his opponents go for them. I'd say he's the weakest at ling baneling wars, he tends to make mistakes here which is only natural.
On March 14 2019 18:58 BerserkSword wrote: im rooting for the American of course, but i don't think Neeb is beating Maru lol
He did at IEM. Maru is shakier than before, it can happen.
Didn't Maru 3-0 Elazer yesterday? I know it's a different matchup but how is sweeping Elazer showing shaky performance? Unless Elazer just straight up played garbage
I don't think he looked like the Maru of old against Elazer. He won but not as convincingly as last year's WeSG for example.
On March 14 2019 18:51 MarianoSC2 wrote: Lol Dark. Still terrible in ZvZ :D
I wouldn't call it terrible, but I guess being top 4 in the world at a matchup doesn't do it for MarianoSC2, the renowned sc2 analyst and zerg vs zerg mirror expert
He might be top 4 (4th, and I am really not sure about that, wouldnt bet on him even against guys like Reynor or Lambo), but there is such a huge skill difference between 3rd and 4th that yes, it does not do it for me. He is just bad, slow, and cant multitask in the matchup.
I can't see where you've gotten this opinion from, Dark has historically had amazing ZvZ , it is worldclass. There is not a "huge" skill difference between 4th and 3th best ZvZ player in the world.
Either way, you're saying 4th best is vastly inferior to 3th best but that Dark as 4th best is "barely" (?) favored against 15th (or similar) best in the world Lambo?
On March 14 2019 18:58 BerserkSword wrote: im rooting for the American of course, but i don't think Neeb is beating Maru lol
He did at IEM. Maru is shakier than before, it can happen.
Didn't Maru 3-0 Elazer yesterday? I know it's a different matchup but how is sweeping Elazer showing shaky performance? Unless Elazer just straight up played garbage
I don't think he looked like the Maru of old against Elazer. He won but not as convincingly as last year's WeSG for example.
He's looking like the Maru of old, just the 2016 one
On March 14 2019 18:58 BerserkSword wrote: im rooting for the American of course, but i don't think Neeb is beating Maru lol
He did at IEM. Maru is shakier than before, it can happen.
Didn't Maru 3-0 Elazer yesterday? I know it's a different matchup but how is sweeping Elazer showing shaky performance? Unless Elazer just straight up played garbage
Different player level(Neeb is better), different MU and different day. All in all until we see what kind of Maru is there we can't say anything for sure.
On March 14 2019 18:51 MarianoSC2 wrote: Lol Dark. Still terrible in ZvZ :D
I wouldn't call it terrible, but I guess being top 4 in the world at a matchup doesn't do it for MarianoSC2, the renowned sc2 analyst and zerg vs zerg mirror expert
Welcome back Ej!
Yea, Dark's ZvZ is embarassing, he's worse than Serral, soO and Rogue at the matchup...
Serral was sick one week ago, we don't know if he still is; his form is decent for his standard, game 2 was very good. Still this was probably the best chanche for Dark to beat him but apparently Serral's multitasking is hard for him to face.
On March 14 2019 18:58 BerserkSword wrote: im rooting for the American of course, but i don't think Neeb is beating Maru lol
He did at IEM. Maru is shakier than before, it can happen.
Didn't Maru 3-0 Elazer yesterday? I know it's a different matchup but how is sweeping Elazer showing shaky performance? Unless Elazer just straight up played garbage
I don't think he looked like the Maru of old against Elazer. He won but not as convincingly as last year's WeSG for example.
He's looking like the Maru of old, just the 2016 one
To be fair Maru was good in 2016, that was just a shit year for most because of the limited opportunities. Late 2017 Maru was weak though.
On March 14 2019 18:58 BerserkSword wrote: im rooting for the American of course, but i don't think Neeb is beating Maru lol
He did at IEM. Maru is shakier than before, it can happen.
Didn't Maru 3-0 Elazer yesterday? I know it's a different matchup but how is sweeping Elazer showing shaky performance? Unless Elazer just straight up played garbage
I don't think he looked like the Maru of old against Elazer. He won but not as convincingly as last year's WeSG for example.
He's looking like the Maru of old, just the 2016 one
To be fair Maru was good in 2016, that was just a shit year for most because of the limited opportunities. Late 2017 Maru was weak though.
He wasn't that bad in late 2017 just inconsistant. At IEM shanghai he looked like one of the best players in the world for the first half of his group (smashing ByuN and going even with INno in TvT) then he just didn't. And in GSL he looked sick against Solar but both him and Solar lost their matches against much lesser players.
On March 14 2019 18:58 BerserkSword wrote: im rooting for the American of course, but i don't think Neeb is beating Maru lol
He did at IEM. Maru is shakier than before, it can happen.
Didn't Maru 3-0 Elazer yesterday? I know it's a different matchup but how is sweeping Elazer showing shaky performance? Unless Elazer just straight up played garbage
Against protoss, he seems shaky, way more than against zerg at least. His embarassing losses came from pvt lately. (And his tvt made him not invulnerable but that's nothing new)
On March 14 2019 18:51 MarianoSC2 wrote: Lol Dark. Still terrible in ZvZ :D
I wouldn't call it terrible, but I guess being top 4 in the world at a matchup doesn't do it for MarianoSC2, the renowned sc2 analyst and zerg vs zerg mirror expert
He might be top 4 (4th, and I am really not sure about that, wouldnt bet on him even against guys like Reynor or Lambo), but there is such a huge skill difference between 3rd and 4th that yes, it does not do it for me. He is just bad, slow, and cant multitask in the matchup.
I can't see where you've gotten this opinion from, Dark has historically had amazing ZvZ , it is worldclass. There is not a "huge" skill difference between 4th and 3th best ZvZ player in the world.
Either way, you're saying 4th best is vastly inferior to 3th best but that Dark as 4th best is "barely" (?) favored against 15th (or similar) best in the world Lambo?
I dont really care if he is the 4th best or 10th best. (it was EJ who said he was 4th I just said he might be). Anyway there are 3 players who are clearly miles above everyone else. Compared to them, the rest look bad.
Maru vs Neeb is impossible to predict; Neeb did not look super impressive in PvT and they have to play a bo5.
I'd give the advantage to Maru but it's up to which version of himself is going to show up today; he was sharp yesterday against a quite bad Elazer but Maru has been very mortal lately.
Scarlett is doing very well at the moment; looking at her last encounter against soO, however, I wouldn't say she should be scarier than Dark for Serral.
On March 14 2019 18:49 Geo.Rion wrote: Muta switch coming again, doesnt look like Serral caught it Yeah, this does look good for Dark
Say what?
I gotta say, Mutas barely ever do enough damage against Serral. It feels like he wins almost all matches where his opponents go for them. I'd say he's the weakest at ling baneling wars, he tends to make mistakes here which is only natural.
On March 14 2019 19:48 SharkStarcraft wrote: So DnS got 5k for beating a bunch of nobodies? then bombed out against the first decent opponent, as always
The video just jumped two minutes ahead in the game and the casters have no idea what's going on because suddenly there is a shit ton of lings in the toss' natural.
On March 14 2019 19:48 SharkStarcraft wrote: So DnS got 5k for beating a bunch of nobodies? then bombed out against the first decent opponent, as always
On March 14 2019 18:49 Geo.Rion wrote: Muta switch coming again, doesnt look like Serral caught it Yeah, this does look good for Dark
Say what?
I gotta say, Mutas barely ever do enough damage against Serral. It feels like he wins almost all matches where his opponents go for them. I'd say he's the weakest at ling baneling wars, he tends to make mistakes here which is only natural.
Watch wcs montreal 2018
The mutas werent the problem, they did well in g1, and as well as in other games that Serral lost in the past for example at IEM. The mapwin of Solar vs Serral came off the back of mutas iirc. Here in G4 vs Dark the mutas were fine, Dark stabilized after some early disadvantage and went for Mutas, he forced some spores, and a hydra swtich. His gameplan was to finish Serral as he s adding hydras and spending gas on hdyra upgrades, and morphed like 40 banelings. The plan was good, could have won, but he miss-controled those banes / Serral controlled his army better, and the banelings didnt do enough, they mostly splashed agaisnt the queens and not the Hydras. And from there he was dead
On March 14 2019 20:26 Muffloe wrote: Wasn't that hella expensive for 1 command c
maru is forever stuck on his side of the map, even if he wins a fight there are probably like 20 gateways by now. also maru needs to repair his air or is gonna melt to a storm
Yeah no other terran has control and movement like that in the lategame. Constantly managing/repositioning liberators, ghost control, ravens, bio kiting and splitting against storm/disruptors, vikings dodging every storm while being able to fly around and pick of units, knowing exactly when to move in and seige or rereat. TY and INno can't do that. SpeCial, Bunny, Gumiho would stand no chace.
With how Neeb has been opening and with Maru being Maru i am surprised he did not try a proxy to close this series out. Would have worked as well as Neeb again is opening Nexus first.
On March 14 2019 20:40 BerserkSword wrote: yea this is why i switched to Terran
Protoss units neutered to the ground, and protoss is punished too hard if AOE whiffs
Seriously, neeb played much and much worse and made many mistakes. He whiffed so many storms, he even spend 13 DTs to kill one base and he was trading poorly with all the zealot runbys. If maru fails to dodge even one storm its over.
On March 14 2019 20:43 Pandemona wrote: With how Neeb has been opening and with Maru being Maru i am surprised he did not try a proxy to close this series out. Would have worked as well as Neeb again is opening Nexus first.
Maru played very well, Neeb almost had it and would have won it if he had superior control. He suicided Stalkers into a tankline, forgot one Colossus for minutes, lost a huge amount of probes because of the nukes, moved a disruptor into Maru's bio and was not responsive at the end losing a Tempest and a couple of gateway units.
So his TvZ he did well vs Elazer, his TvP he did very very well vs in an inform Neeb. Can he improve his TvT from his poor showing vs Bunny when he takes on INnoVation tomorrow for a place in the final vs Serral?
On March 14 2019 20:48 Pandemona wrote: So his TvZ he did well vs Elazer, his TvP he did very very well vs in an inform Neeb. Can he improve his TvT from his poor showing vs Bunny when he takes on INnoVation tomorrow for a place in the final vs Serral?
I don't think we can just assume Serral is gonna beat Scarlett
On March 14 2019 20:42 Fango wrote: Yeah no other terran has control and movement like that in the lategame. Constantly managing/repositioning liberators, ghost control, ravens, bio kiting and splitting against storm/disruptors, vikings dodging every storm while being able to fly around and pick of units, knowing exactly when to move in and seige or rereat. TY and INno can't do that. SpeCial, Bunny, Gumiho would stand no chace.
Maybe inno? His lategame control vs serral was stellar other than getting hit by parasitic bomb once. And imo late game TvZ to even be more difficult for terran to control than TvP.
On March 14 2019 20:48 Pandemona wrote: So his TvZ he did well vs Elazer, his TvP he did very very well vs in an inform Neeb. Can he improve his TvT from his poor showing vs Bunny when he takes on INnoVation tomorrow for a place in the final vs Serral?
I don't think we can just assume Serral is gonna beat Scarlett
Isn't Scarlett's record vs Serral worst than Dark's though? xD
On March 14 2019 20:49 Za7oX wrote: It's going to be a TvZ finals of foreigner vs Koreans between either Serral/Scarlett vs Maru/Innovation. Any is a dream finals...
Lambo looked on point vs PtitDrogo so not a sure thing... however INno beat Serral in a relatively meaningless series for Serral
I'd say INno beats Lambo 80-20
Scarlett finally beating Serral would be awesome but I don't wanna watch her get destroyed by Maru/INno :x I'd rather watch Serral play the korean overlords
On March 14 2019 20:47 Poopi wrote: Maru still the best player in the world in 2019 I guess. What a godlike player
You mean "Maru might be back to being the best player in 2019", right? We will find out in a couple of days, asian soil surely is a bliss for him; still, you are forgetting someone else...
Neeb was surely outclassed and went half-foreigner.
On March 14 2019 20:48 Pandemona wrote: So his TvZ he did well vs Elazer, his TvP he did very very well vs in an inform Neeb. Can he improve his TvT from his poor showing vs Bunny when he takes on INnoVation tomorrow for a place in the final vs Serral?
I don't think we can just assume Serral is gonna beat Scarlett
If Scarlett win this tournament I might reflect with nostalgia on Serral and Maru fans as the Scarlett fan flood every single thread ever posted on TL.
Still it would be pretty neat to see Scarlett win again, plus she has a good chinese fanbase I think
On March 14 2019 20:42 Fango wrote: Yeah no other terran has control and movement like that in the lategame. Constantly managing/repositioning liberators, ghost control, ravens, bio kiting and splitting against storm/disruptors, vikings dodging every storm while being able to fly around and pick of units, knowing exactly when to move in and seige or rereat. TY and INno can't do that. SpeCial, Bunny, Gumiho would stand no chace.
Maybe inno? His lategame control vs serral was stellar other than getting hit by parasitic bomb once. And imo late game TvZ to even be more difficult for terran to control than TvP.
I don't think so. INno's lategame TvP is not anywhere close to that and hasn't been for a while. He lost to Rail in a lategame on that same map earlier today.
He is good in lategame TvZ however. I do think turtling with mass ghosts/nukes is easier than all the stuff Maru did. Especially when Serral played so passive in that series.
On March 14 2019 20:48 Pandemona wrote: So his TvZ he did well vs Elazer, his TvP he did very very well vs in an inform Neeb. Can he improve his TvT from his poor showing vs Bunny when he takes on INnoVation tomorrow for a place in the final vs Serral?
I don't think we can just assume Serral is gonna beat Scarlett
Isn't Scarlett's record vs Serral worst than Dark's though? xD
their last 3 series were all 3-2. 2 times in Serral's favor and 1 time in Scarlett's favor.
On March 14 2019 20:48 Pandemona wrote: So his TvZ he did well vs Elazer, his TvP he did very very well vs in an inform Neeb. Can he improve his TvT from his poor showing vs Bunny when he takes on INnoVation tomorrow for a place in the final vs Serral?
I don't think we can just assume Serral is gonna beat Scarlett
Isn't Scarlett's record vs Serral worst than Dark's though? xD
their last 3 series were all 3-2. 2 times in Serral's favor and 1 time in Scarlett's favor.
Maru showing up, Rotti got it right, this terran nerd so happy .:'(
Awesome, a Serral vs Maru finals would the dream, only Maru could stop Serral last year and maybe only Maru can stop Serral this year? Getting the chills, people say Serral wasn't at his peak for last years WESG but he was actually 16-0 in maps until he faced Maru (only vs foreigners but still).
On March 14 2019 20:48 Pandemona wrote: So his TvZ he did well vs Elazer, his TvP he did very very well vs in an inform Neeb. Can he improve his TvT from his poor showing vs Bunny when he takes on INnoVation tomorrow for a place in the final vs Serral?
I don't think we can just assume Serral is gonna beat Scarlett
Isn't Scarlett's record vs Serral worst than Dark's though? xD
Last year they went 7-7 in maps and 1-2 in series (all offline in big events). Scarlett generaly does really well against Serral, the two series she did lose were throws imo
On March 14 2019 20:48 Pandemona wrote: So his TvZ he did well vs Elazer, his TvP he did very very well vs in an inform Neeb. Can he improve his TvT from his poor showing vs Bunny when he takes on INnoVation tomorrow for a place in the final vs Serral?
I don't think we can just assume Serral is gonna beat Scarlett
Isn't Scarlett's record vs Serral worst than Dark's though? xD
their last 3 series were all 3-2. 2 times in Serral's favor and 1 time in Scarlett's favor.
On March 14 2019 20:47 Poopi wrote: Maru still the best player in the world in 2019 I guess. What a godlike player
You mean "Maru might be back to being the best player in 2019", right? We will find out in a couple of days, asian soil surely is a bliss for him; still, you are forgetting someone else...
Neeb was surely outclassed and went half-foreigner.
On March 14 2019 20:48 Pandemona wrote: So his TvZ he did well vs Elazer, his TvP he did very very well vs in an inform Neeb. Can he improve his TvT from his poor showing vs Bunny when he takes on INnoVation tomorrow for a place in the final vs Serral?
I don't think we can just assume Serral is gonna beat Scarlett
Isn't Scarlett's record vs Serral worst than Dark's though? xD
their last 3 series were all 3-2. 2 times in Serral's favor and 1 time in Scarlett's favor.
On March 14 2019 20:47 Poopi wrote: Maru still the best player in the world in 2019 I guess. What a godlike player
You mean "Maru might be back to being the best player in 2019", right? We will find out in a couple of days, asian soil surely is a bliss for him; still, you are forgetting someone else...
Neeb was surely outclassed and went half-foreigner.
No I mean just what I wrote
Beating SpeCial, Elazer and Neeb make you the best player in the world, really?
On March 14 2019 20:48 Pandemona wrote: So his TvZ he did well vs Elazer, his TvP he did very very well vs in an inform Neeb. Can he improve his TvT from his poor showing vs Bunny when he takes on INnoVation tomorrow for a place in the final vs Serral?
I don't think we can just assume Serral is gonna beat Scarlett
Isn't Scarlett's record vs Serral worst than Dark's though? xD
Maybe she goes for 2018. Wins a great tournament at the start of the year, then fades away.
Serral had the same record in maps against Dark and against Scarlett before today; despite not being at his top shape, Serral looked good in ZvZ recently while Scarlett was 2-0d by soO quite decisively, I'd be surprised to see him lose.
Maru on the other hand is looking super scary at the moment; Inno might beat him in a bo5, I am very worried tho as Serral would need his BlizzCon form to beat the best Maru.
On March 14 2019 20:48 Pandemona wrote: So his TvZ he did well vs Elazer, his TvP he did very very well vs in an inform Neeb. Can he improve his TvT from his poor showing vs Bunny when he takes on INnoVation tomorrow for a place in the final vs Serral?
I don't think we can just assume Serral is gonna beat Scarlett
If Scarlett win this tournament I might reflect with nostalgia on Serral and Maru fans as the Scarlett fan flood every single thread ever posted on TL.
Still it would be pretty neat to see Scarlett win again, plus she has a good chinese fanbase I think
Lol you got that right there won't be thread i don't post in if Scarlett wins.
On March 14 2019 20:47 Poopi wrote: Maru still the best player in the world in 2019 I guess. What a godlike player
You mean "Maru might be back to being the best player in 2019", right? We will find out in a couple of days, asian soil surely is a bliss for him; still, you are forgetting someone else...
Neeb was surely outclassed and went half-foreigner.
No I mean just what I wrote
Then there is something wrong, "still" implies that he has been the best all this time and clearly this wasn't the case.
On March 14 2019 20:47 Poopi wrote: Maru still the best player in the world in 2019 I guess. What a godlike player
You mean "Maru might be back to being the best player in 2019", right? We will find out in a couple of days, asian soil surely is a bliss for him; still, you are forgetting someone else...
Neeb was surely outclassed and went half-foreigner.
No I mean just what I wrote
Beating Elazer and Neeb make you the best player in the world, really?
He beat Neeb very convincingly showing superb control, and yeah in the current sotg it's a very good performance from Maru. Neeb is a ro4 GSL level player that got out 1st in the group of death of this WESG (beating Serral the best player of the end of last year)
So yeah casually 3-0ing him while being Maru means Maru is back in his best player in the world form imho
On March 14 2019 20:48 Pandemona wrote: So his TvZ he did well vs Elazer, his TvP he did very very well vs in an inform Neeb. Can he improve his TvT from his poor showing vs Bunny when he takes on INnoVation tomorrow for a place in the final vs Serral?
I don't think we can just assume Serral is gonna beat Scarlett
If Scarlett win this tournament I might reflect with nostalgia on Serral and Maru fans as the Scarlett fan flood every single thread ever posted on TL.
Still it would be pretty neat to see Scarlett win again, plus she has a good chinese fanbase I think
Lol you got that right there won't be thread i don't post in if Scarlett wins.
It's not like you don't post anywhere when she loses, either.
On March 14 2019 20:47 Poopi wrote: Maru still the best player in the world in 2019 I guess. What a godlike player
You mean "Maru might be back to being the best player in 2019", right? We will find out in a couple of days, asian soil surely is a bliss for him; still, you are forgetting someone else...
Neeb was surely outclassed and went half-foreigner.
No I mean just what I wrote
Beating Elazer and Neeb make you the best player in the world, really?
He beat Neeb very convincingly showing superb control, and yeah in the current sotg it's a very good performance from Maru. Neeb is a ro4 GSL level player that got out 1st in the group of death of this WESG (beating Serral the best player of the end of last year)
So yeah casually 3-0ing him while being Maru means Maru is back in his best player in the world form imho
On March 14 2019 20:47 Poopi wrote: Maru still the best player in the world in 2019 I guess. What a godlike player
You mean "Maru might be back to being the best player in 2019", right? We will find out in a couple of days, asian soil surely is a bliss for him; still, you are forgetting someone else...
Neeb was surely outclassed and went half-foreigner.
No I mean just what I wrote
Beating Elazer and Neeb make you the best player in the world, really?
Whatever for Elazer but Neeb is hands down one of the best players in the world. His PvZ and PvT are superb. He made GSL ro4 last season and did pretty sick at both Katowice and here.
He might not be winning tournaments but his losses are almost always to only the very best. TY in GSL, Maru at blizzcon/today, and Stats at katowice.
Maru v Serral would be hype as fuck but Maru would win convincingly imo, his TvZ is just too powerful. His TvT looked weak in the GSL Ro16, but in the other match ups he's just beastly.
I can't complain too much because i got see maru lategame TvP in year zero but I would've loved to see a couple of thors mixed in, wonder if he would've if the upgrades didn't get delayed so much by neeb killing his armory with that prism.
Also neeb might need to visit a professional about his depo killing OCD.
On March 14 2019 21:08 Doko wrote: I can't complain too much because i got see maru lategame TvP in year zero but I would've loved to see a couple of thors mixed in, wonder if he would've if the upgrades didn't get delayed so much by neeb killing his armory with that prism.
Also neeb might need to visit a professional about his depo killing OCD.
you dont need thors
skyterran + ghost shits on the new garbage ass late game protoss (low health, speed nerfed tempest, neutered carriers)
On March 14 2019 21:08 Doko wrote: I can't complain too much because i got see maru lategame TvP in year zero but I would've loved to see a couple of thors mixed in, wonder if he would've if the upgrades didn't get delayed so much by neeb killing his armory with that prism.
Also neeb might need to visit a professional about his depo killing OCD.
you dont need thors
skyterran + ghost shits on the new garbage ass late game protoss (low health, speed nerfed tempest, neutered carriers)
this is the most ridicolous TL post I've seen in a while
On March 14 2019 20:47 Poopi wrote: Maru still the best player in the world in 2019 I guess. What a godlike player
You mean "Maru might be back to being the best player in 2019", right? We will find out in a couple of days, asian soil surely is a bliss for him; still, you are forgetting someone else...
Neeb was surely outclassed and went half-foreigner.
No I mean just what I wrote
Beating Elazer and Neeb make you the best player in the world, really?
Whatever for Elazer but Neeb is hands down one of the best players in the world. His PvZ and PvT are superb. He made GSL ro4 last season and did pretty sick at both Katowice and here.
He might not be winning tournaments but his losses are almost always to only the very best. TY in GSL, Maru at blizzcon/today, and Stats at katowice.
Neeb's PvZ is one of the best indeed(if not the best), his PvT isn't that good; he took out a weakened form of Maru at IEM, when was the last time he defeated a strong korean Terran, before? He dropped one game to Masa in WESG.
On March 14 2019 21:05 White__Hart wrote: Maru v Serral would be hype as fuck but Maru would win convincingly imo, his TvZ is just too powerful. His TvT looked weak in the GSL Ro16, but in the other match ups he's just beastly.
Lost against Leenock and Meomaika in TvZ recently, even if he wasn't looking as good as he is now; Elazer was greedy and subpar yesterday. The problem here is Serral's form, he seems to be recovering but I am not sure if he would be ready.
On March 14 2019 21:05 White__Hart wrote: Maru v Serral would be hype as fuck but Maru would win convincingly imo, his TvZ is just too powerful. His TvT looked weak in the GSL Ro16, but in the other match ups he's just beastly.
The problem here is Serral's form, he seems to be recovering but I am not sure if he would be ready.
What happened in this tournament for Serral's form to be more questionable than Maru's?
On March 14 2019 21:05 White__Hart wrote: Maru v Serral would be hype as fuck but Maru would win convincingly imo, his TvZ is just too powerful. His TvT looked weak in the GSL Ro16, but in the other match ups he's just beastly.
The problem here is Serral's form, he seems to be recovering but I am not sure if he would be ready.
What happened in this tournament for Serral's form to be more questionable than Maru's?
Just Serral's level of play. Losing to Neeb is acceptable and he looked good enough today against Dark; however, Maru seemed close to his best against Neeb today while I don't see Serral as godlike as he was in 2018 and he would definifely need his best shape to face that beast.
On March 14 2019 21:29 Harris1st wrote: Why all the engagements into PF's? Lambo had this!
Yea not sure why everyone is not even trying to close the game before it gets to the later stages; Lambo should know Inno is especially deadly there.
Because attacking into a terran is usually a very bad idea and going lategame is a very good idea against everyone except Maru and Innovation. If you're actually playing Maru or Innovation and are the worse player your chances of winning are very slim regardless if you play agressive or passive.
On March 14 2019 21:29 Harris1st wrote: Why all the engagements into PF's? Lambo had this!
Yea not sure why everyone is not even trying to close the game before it gets to the later stages; Lambo should know Inno is especially deadly there.
Because attacking into a terran is usually a very bad idea and going lategame is a very good idea against everyone except Maru and Innovation. If you're actually playing Maru or Innovation and are the worse player your chances of winning are very slim regardless if you play agressive or passive.
Lambo had a good advantage, he had to try to break hom before lategame because he knows he won't be able to win afterwards. With nydus and the various pushes at the moment attacking into Terran seems pretty viable.
On March 14 2019 21:29 Harris1st wrote: Why all the engagements into PF's? Lambo had this!
Yea not sure why everyone is not even trying to close the game before it gets to the later stages; Lambo should know Inno is especially deadly there.
Because attacking into a terran is usually a very bad idea and going lategame is a very good idea against everyone except Maru and Innovation. If you're actually playing Maru or Innovation and are the worse player your chances of winning are very slim regardless if you play agressive or passive.
Lambo had a good advantage, he had to try to break hom before lategame because he knows he won't be able to win afterwards. With nydus and the various pushes at the moment attacking into Terran seems pretty viable.
On March 14 2019 21:29 Harris1st wrote: Why all the engagements into PF's? Lambo had this!
Yea not sure why everyone is not even trying to close the game before it gets to the later stages; Lambo should know Inno is especially deadly there.
Because attacking into a terran is usually a very bad idea and going lategame is a very good idea against everyone except Maru and Innovation. If you're actually playing Maru or Innovation and are the worse player your chances of winning are very slim regardless if you play agressive or passive.
He did have an advantage in the midgame though. He would have had a better chance if he pushed it then. Going into the lategame against INno like he did was handing over the advantage.
Did Lambo do not nearly enough damage to transition without playing super greedy? Did Lambo somehow think that Inno had no units and thus he could play super greedy?
On March 14 2019 21:45 Poopi wrote: Always a pleasure seeing foreigners getting 3-0ed again and again
Such a disappointing comment, really. You deserve hordes of brainless fanboys spamming "Serral Bonjwa" or "Scarlett is the best" everywhere.
Why would you love to see foreigners getting 3-0d? I can say it's a pleasure to see Maru playing lategame TvP so flawlessly and that it feels right to see Inno advance over Lambo because he is the superior player, not because Lambo is german.
On March 14 2019 21:45 Poopi wrote: Always a pleasure seeing foreigners getting 3-0ed again and again
Such a disappointing comment, really. You deserve hordes of brainless fanboys spamming "Serral Bonjwa" or "Scarlett is the best" everywhere.
Why would you love to see foreigners getting 3-0d? I can say it's a pleasure to see Maru playing lategame TvP so flawlessly and that it feels right to see Inno advance over Lambo because he is the superior player, not because Lambo is german.
Because I like to see Maru and INno dominate. And it reminds us how much of an outlier Serral is for going toe-to-toe with the best koreans players seeing how much his peers struggle against them
What a play by Maru !!! But TvP lategame badly needs a fix. We could clearly see that in game 2. Neeb made tons of mistakes (bad positioning, constantly worse trades, didnt split his army properly), while Maru played absolutely perfectly, and it was still extremely close.
On March 14 2019 21:45 Poopi wrote: Always a pleasure seeing foreigners getting 3-0ed again and again
Such a disappointing comment, really. You deserve hordes of brainless fanboys spamming "Serral Bonjwa" or "Scarlett is the best" everywhere.
Why would you love to see foreigners getting 3-0d? I can say it's a pleasure to see Maru playing lategame TvP so flawlessly and that it feels right to see Inno advance over Lambo because he is the superior player, not because Lambo is german.
Because I like to see Maru and INno dominate. And it reminds us how much of an outlier Serral is for going toe-to-toe with the best koreans players seeing how much his peers struggle against them
Serral is not an outlier because he is capable of going toe to toe with the best koreans, that happened before in WoL with Stephano, Naniwa, Huk, ThorZain, Nerchio and the likes of them. Serral is THE outlier because he was actually capable of dominating the best koreans(see BlizzCon) and becoming the non korean best player in the world.
Apart of that, Inno had probably the easiest path to the semifinals and he isn't exactly dominating atm; he's amazing but being so satisfied to see him beating Lambo's mighty ZvT seems excessive to me. On the other hand, I'd be as excited as you are seeing Maru in such shape, even if I wouldn't be drawing the same conclusion as you.
On March 14 2019 21:45 Poopi wrote: Always a pleasure seeing foreigners getting 3-0ed again and again
Such a disappointing comment, really. You deserve hordes of brainless fanboys spamming "Serral Bonjwa" or "Scarlett is the best" everywhere.
Why would you love to see foreigners getting 3-0d? I can say it's a pleasure to see Maru playing lategame TvP so flawlessly and that it feels right to see Inno advance over Lambo because he is the superior player, not because Lambo is german.
Because I like to see Maru and INno dominate. And it reminds us how much of an outlier Serral is for going toe-to-toe with the best koreans players seeing how much his peers struggle against them
Serral is not an outlier because he is capable of going toe to toe with the best koreans, that happened before in WoL with Stephano, Naniwa, Huk, ThorZain, Nerchio and the likes of them. Serral is THE outlier because he was actually capable of dominating the best koreans(see BlizzCon) and becoming the non korean best player in the world.
Apart of that, Inno had probably the easiest path to the semifinals and he isn't exactly dominating atm; he's amazing but being so satisfied to see him beating Lambo's mighty ZvT seems excessive to me. On the other hand, I'd be as excited as you are seeing Maru in such shape, even if I wouldn't be drawing the same conclusion as you.
I think Scarlett had it easier then INno but ya both had a pretty sweet bracket
On March 14 2019 22:11 MarianoSC2 wrote: What a play by Maru !!! But TvP lategame badly needs a fix. We could clearly see that in game 2. Neeb made tons of mistakes (bad positioning, constantly worse trades, didnt split his army properly), while Maru played absolutely perfectly, and it was still extremely close.
Maru was not ahead the whole game, Neeb's drop was almost game ending; after that Maru started to play perfectly and was able to recover from 30 supply and 3k minerals deficit because of that, TvP didn't seem terribly out of balance.
I think Inno beating Maru is more likely to happen than Scarlett beating Serral.
On March 14 2019 21:45 Poopi wrote: Always a pleasure seeing foreigners getting 3-0ed again and again
Such a disappointing comment, really. You deserve hordes of brainless fanboys spamming "Serral Bonjwa" or "Scarlett is the best" everywhere.
Why would you love to see foreigners getting 3-0d? I can say it's a pleasure to see Maru playing lategame TvP so flawlessly and that it feels right to see Inno advance over Lambo because he is the superior player, not because Lambo is german.
Serral is for going toe-to-toe with the best koreans players
I don't think 3-1, 3-0, and 3-1 counts as going toe-to-toe. or 2-0, 3-1, 2-1 vs rogue. This is not what toe-to-toe means.
On March 14 2019 22:11 MarianoSC2 wrote: What a play by Maru !!! But TvP lategame badly needs a fix. We could clearly see that in game 2. Neeb made tons of mistakes (bad positioning, constantly worse trades, didnt split his army properly), while Maru played absolutely perfectly, and it was still extremely close.
Maru was not ahead the whole game, Neeb's drop was almost game ending; after that Maru started to play perfectly and was able to recover from 30 supply and 3k minerals deficit because of that, TvP didn't seem terribly out of balance.
I think Inno beating Maru is more likely to happen than Scarlett beating Serral.
Disagree with the first part, the economy deficit was there because of the matchup balance, its standard in PvT and Maru was not very far behind just behind because he didnt kill Neeb in the early game (yes the drop was also good from Neeb).
Completely agree with the second part, think Inno will crush Maru as always, his style suits him and I dont even remember last time when Inno lost to Maru (disragarding ladder and small online stuff) On the other hand Scarlett always chokes against Serral so I dont see her advancing although her play ATM seems a bit better.
On March 14 2019 22:11 MarianoSC2 wrote: What a play by Maru !!! But TvP lategame badly needs a fix. We could clearly see that in game 2. Neeb made tons of mistakes (bad positioning, constantly worse trades, didnt split his army properly), while Maru played absolutely perfectly, and it was still extremely close.
Maru was not ahead the whole game, Neeb's drop was almost game ending; after that Maru started to play perfectly and was able to recover from 30 supply and 3k minerals deficit because of that, TvP didn't seem terribly out of balance.
I think Inno beating Maru is more likely to happen than Scarlett beating Serral.
Disagree with the first part, the economy deficit was there because of the matchup balance, its standard in PvT and Maru was not very far behind just behind because he didnt kill Neeb in the early game (yes the drop was also good from Neeb).
Completely agree with the second part, think Inno will crush Maru as always, his style suits him and I dont even remember last time when Inno lost to Maru (disragarding ladder and small online stuff) On the other hand Scarlett always chokes against Serral so I dont see her advancing although her play ATM seems a bit better.
I should rewatch the game to tell you if Neeb had income or workers advantage before dropping but surely he didn't have a noticeable bank and he was even or slightly behind in supply; instead, he was significantly ahead after the drop. The structural advantage Protoss have in TvP's mid game cannot justify that.
Scarlett is playing very well recently, still not better than Serral; even without choking, would you rate her above Dark in ZvZ? I thought Serral was included in your top 3.
On March 14 2019 22:11 MarianoSC2 wrote: What a play by Maru !!! But TvP lategame badly needs a fix. We could clearly see that in game 2. Neeb made tons of mistakes (bad positioning, constantly worse trades, didnt split his army properly), while Maru played absolutely perfectly, and it was still extremely close.
Maru was not ahead the whole game, Neeb's drop was almost game ending; after that Maru started to play perfectly and was able to recover from 30 supply and 3k minerals deficit because of that, TvP didn't seem terribly out of balance.
I think Inno beating Maru is more likely to happen than Scarlett beating Serral.
Disagree with the first part, the economy deficit was there because of the matchup balance, its standard in PvT and Maru was not very far behind just behind because he didnt kill Neeb in the early game (yes the drop was also good from Neeb).
Completely agree with the second part, think Inno will crush Maru as always, his style suits him and I dont even remember last time when Inno lost to Maru (disragarding ladder and small online stuff) On the other hand Scarlett always chokes against Serral so I dont see her advancing although her play ATM seems a bit better.
I should rewatch the game to tell you if Neeb had income or workers advantage before dropping but surely he didn't have a noticeable bank and he was even or slightly behind in supply; instead, he was significantly ahead after the drop. The structural advantage Protoss have in TvP's mid game cannot justify that.
Scarlett is playing very well recently, still not better than Serral; even without choking, would you rate her above Dark in ZvZ? I thought Serral was included in your top 3.
Scarlett is alittle below Serral but i think if she can keep her calm in the match she has a decent chance yes Serral if betting as a better oods of winning but its not that big.
On March 14 2019 22:11 MarianoSC2 wrote: What a play by Maru !!! But TvP lategame badly needs a fix. We could clearly see that in game 2. Neeb made tons of mistakes (bad positioning, constantly worse trades, didnt split his army properly), while Maru played absolutely perfectly, and it was still extremely close.
Maru was not ahead the whole game, Neeb's drop was almost game ending; after that Maru started to play perfectly and was able to recover from 30 supply and 3k minerals deficit because of that, TvP didn't seem terribly out of balance.
I think Inno beating Maru is more likely to happen than Scarlett beating Serral.
Disagree with the first part, the economy deficit was there because of the matchup balance, its standard in PvT and Maru was not very far behind just behind because he didnt kill Neeb in the early game (yes the drop was also good from Neeb).
Completely agree with the second part, think Inno will crush Maru as always, his style suits him and I dont even remember last time when Inno lost to Maru (disragarding ladder and small online stuff) On the other hand Scarlett always chokes against Serral so I dont see her advancing although her play ATM seems a bit better.
Innovation met Maru the last time in 2k17 which was the year Innovation ruled in. They didn't met from then, mostly because Innovation wasn't able to find his lost mojo, Maru was waiting for him at IEM, WESG and all 3 Code S finals
Am I alone in finding it weird that this tournament gave us literally no upsets? Like non at all. Even when two players were fairly evenly matched, the one to whom i would have given the slight advantage won. This quarterfinals, the favorite won in each case.
In the ro 16, all the favorites won, I guess some people might have said that Special is a favorite, but it was even money IMO.
In the groupstage, all the results were pretty much as expected, like no big name was taken down. Sure, Serral, Maru and Reynor dropped a series that people might not have expected, but all of them made it through.
I just cannot think of a tournament where no upsets happened, and this one looks like it so far. And since Maru and Innovation is arguably a fairly even match, the one remaining upset potential is pretty much Scarlett taking down Serral, and then the korean T.
On March 15 2019 00:34 Geo.Rion wrote: Am I alone in finding it weird that this tournament gave us literally no upsets? Like non at all. Even when two players were fairly evenly matched, the one to whom i would have given the slight advantage won. This quarterfinals, the favorite won in each case.
In the ro 16, all the favorites won, I guess some people might have said that Special is a favorite, but it was even money IMO.
In the groupstage, all the results were pretty much as expected, like no big name was taken down. Sure, Serral, Maru and Reynor dropped a series that people might not have expected, but all of them made it through.
I just cannot think of a tournament where no upsets happened, and this one looks like it so far. And since Maru and Innovation is arguably a fairly even match, the one remaining upset potential is pretty much Scarlett taking down Serral, and then the korean T.
Well MeomaikA beating Maru was an upset, and I guess PtitDrogo, Neeb and Mana being first of their groups were upsets.
Oh and Seventy91 taking a game off of MacSed as well
On March 15 2019 00:34 Geo.Rion wrote: Am I alone in finding it weird that this tournament gave us literally no upsets? Like non at all. Even when two players were fairly evenly matched, the one to whom i would have given the slight advantage won. This quarterfinals, the favorite won in each case.
In the ro 16, all the favorites won, I guess some people might have said that Special is a favorite, but it was even money IMO.
In the groupstage, all the results were pretty much as expected, like no big name was taken down. Sure, Serral, Maru and Reynor dropped a series that people might not have expected, but all of them made it through.
I just cannot think of a tournament where no upsets happened, and this one looks like it so far. And since Maru and Innovation is arguably a fairly even match, the one remaining upset potential is pretty much Scarlett taking down Serral, and then the korean T.
I think Rail advancing over Kelazhur and Time might be called an upset? Not really but still kinda? =P Otherwise yeah, you are right, tha tis curious!
I think Scarlett has good chance of beating Serral. Most of their series are 3-2 (and Scarlett did beat him in Pyeongchang) but I feel like the stars aligned to give Serral vs Maru/INnoVation finals. I'd be really excited either way.
So I was 5/6 in predictions today, 8 maps off map score wise. Yesterday 6/6 3 maps off so it's 11/12 with 11 maps off in total.
Quite a "bad" playoff day 2 from me predictions wise but we get such a good ro4+3rd place match coming that I'm still very happy with how the day went.
On March 14 2019 22:11 MarianoSC2 wrote: What a play by Maru !!! But TvP lategame badly needs a fix. We could clearly see that in game 2. Neeb made tons of mistakes (bad positioning, constantly worse trades, didnt split his army properly), while Maru played absolutely perfectly, and it was still extremely close.
Maru was not ahead the whole game, Neeb's drop was almost game ending; after that Maru started to play perfectly and was able to recover from 30 supply and 3k minerals deficit because of that, TvP didn't seem terribly out of balance.
I think Inno beating Maru is more likely to happen than Scarlett beating Serral.
Disagree with the first part, the economy deficit was there because of the matchup balance, its standard in PvT and Maru was not very far behind just behind because he didnt kill Neeb in the early game (yes the drop was also good from Neeb).
Completely agree with the second part, think Inno will crush Maru as always, his style suits him and I dont even remember last time when Inno lost to Maru (disragarding ladder and small online stuff) On the other hand Scarlett always chokes against Serral so I dont see her advancing although her play ATM seems a bit better.
I should rewatch the game to tell you if Neeb had income or workers advantage before dropping but surely he didn't have a noticeable bank and he was even or slightly behind in supply; instead, he was significantly ahead after the drop. The structural advantage Protoss have in TvP's mid game cannot justify that.
Scarlett is playing very well recently, still not better than Serral; even without choking, would you rate her above Dark in ZvZ? I thought Serral was included in your top 3.
Scarlett has better ZvZ than Dark, but tends to choke a lot in clutch moments (which is kind of a game changer if someone wants to belong at the top isnt it?). So I dont know. She definitely plays the matchup better then Dark and understands it better... Serral is my top 1, then Rogue and soO. The rest are lacking far behind, but Scarlett is for sure the closest one to these 3 when she is in form. Just needs to overcome that mental block.
On March 14 2019 22:11 MarianoSC2 wrote: What a play by Maru !!! But TvP lategame badly needs a fix. We could clearly see that in game 2. Neeb made tons of mistakes (bad positioning, constantly worse trades, didnt split his army properly), while Maru played absolutely perfectly, and it was still extremely close.
Maru was not ahead the whole game, Neeb's drop was almost game ending; after that Maru started to play perfectly and was able to recover from 30 supply and 3k minerals deficit because of that, TvP didn't seem terribly out of balance.
I think Inno beating Maru is more likely to happen than Scarlett beating Serral.
Disagree with the first part, the economy deficit was there because of the matchup balance, its standard in PvT and Maru was not very far behind just behind because he didnt kill Neeb in the early game (yes the drop was also good from Neeb).
Completely agree with the second part, think Inno will crush Maru as always, his style suits him and I dont even remember last time when Inno lost to Maru (disragarding ladder and small online stuff) On the other hand Scarlett always chokes against Serral so I dont see her advancing although her play ATM seems a bit better.
I should rewatch the game to tell you if Neeb had income or workers advantage before dropping but surely he didn't have a noticeable bank and he was even or slightly behind in supply; instead, he was significantly ahead after the drop. The structural advantage Protoss have in TvP's mid game cannot justify that.
Scarlett is playing very well recently, still not better than Serral; even without choking, would you rate her above Dark in ZvZ? I thought Serral was included in your top 3.
Scarlett has better ZvZ than Dark, but tends to choke a lot in clutch moments (which is kind of a game changer if someone wants to belong at the top isnt it?). So I dont know. She definitely plays the matchup better then Dark and understands it better... Serral is my top 1, then Rogue and soO. The rest are lacking far behind, but Scarlett is for sure the closest one to these 3 when she is in form. Just needs to overcome that mental block.
Hum dunno, Scarlett did not have any particularly good zvz results in a while. Basicly since october she only has notable win over Cham, True, AI, Bly and Ragnarok. With loss to soO, Impact, Ragnarok and True.
She isn't particularly bad in the matchup but she didin't punch above her height in the matchup either, with the (notable) exception of that Serral series.
On March 14 2019 22:11 MarianoSC2 wrote: What a play by Maru !!! But TvP lategame badly needs a fix. We could clearly see that in game 2. Neeb made tons of mistakes (bad positioning, constantly worse trades, didnt split his army properly), while Maru played absolutely perfectly, and it was still extremely close.
Maru was not ahead the whole game, Neeb's drop was almost game ending; after that Maru started to play perfectly and was able to recover from 30 supply and 3k minerals deficit because of that, TvP didn't seem terribly out of balance.
I think Inno beating Maru is more likely to happen than Scarlett beating Serral.
Disagree with the first part, the economy deficit was there because of the matchup balance, its standard in PvT and Maru was not very far behind just behind because he didnt kill Neeb in the early game (yes the drop was also good from Neeb).
Completely agree with the second part, think Inno will crush Maru as always, his style suits him and I dont even remember last time when Inno lost to Maru (disragarding ladder and small online stuff) On the other hand Scarlett always chokes against Serral so I dont see her advancing although her play ATM seems a bit better.
I should rewatch the game to tell you if Neeb had income or workers advantage before dropping but surely he didn't have a noticeable bank and he was even or slightly behind in supply; instead, he was significantly ahead after the drop. The structural advantage Protoss have in TvP's mid game cannot justify that.
Scarlett is playing very well recently, still not better than Serral; even without choking, would you rate her above Dark in ZvZ? I thought Serral was included in your top 3.
Scarlett has better ZvZ than Dark, but tends to choke a lot in clutch moments (which is kind of a game changer if someone wants to belong at the top isnt it?). So I dont know. She definitely plays the matchup better then Dark and understands it better... Serral is my top 1, then Rogue and soO. The rest are lacking far behind, but Scarlett is for sure the closest one to these 3 when she is in form. Just needs to overcome that mental block.
Hum dunno, Scarlett did not have any particularly good zvz results in a while. Basicly since october she only has notable win over Cham, True, AI, Bly and Ragnarok. With loss to soO, Impact, Ragnarok and True.
She isn't particularly bad in the matchup but she didin't punch above her height in the matchup either, with the (notable) exception of that Serral series.
She didn't really do well after PyeonChang in 2018, not only in ZvZ. I still think Dark is better.
On March 14 2019 22:11 MarianoSC2 wrote: What a play by Maru !!! But TvP lategame badly needs a fix. We could clearly see that in game 2. Neeb made tons of mistakes (bad positioning, constantly worse trades, didnt split his army properly), while Maru played absolutely perfectly, and it was still extremely close.
Maru was not ahead the whole game, Neeb's drop was almost game ending; after that Maru started to play perfectly and was able to recover from 30 supply and 3k minerals deficit because of that, TvP didn't seem terribly out of balance.
I think Inno beating Maru is more likely to happen than Scarlett beating Serral.
Disagree with the first part, the economy deficit was there because of the matchup balance, its standard in PvT and Maru was not very far behind just behind because he didnt kill Neeb in the early game (yes the drop was also good from Neeb).
Completely agree with the second part, think Inno will crush Maru as always, his style suits him and I dont even remember last time when Inno lost to Maru (disragarding ladder and small online stuff) On the other hand Scarlett always chokes against Serral so I dont see her advancing although her play ATM seems a bit better.
I should rewatch the game to tell you if Neeb had income or workers advantage before dropping but surely he didn't have a noticeable bank and he was even or slightly behind in supply; instead, he was significantly ahead after the drop. The structural advantage Protoss have in TvP's mid game cannot justify that.
Scarlett is playing very well recently, still not better than Serral; even without choking, would you rate her above Dark in ZvZ? I thought Serral was included in your top 3.
Scarlett has better ZvZ than Dark, but tends to choke a lot in clutch moments (which is kind of a game changer if someone wants to belong at the top isnt it?). So I dont know. She definitely plays the matchup better then Dark and understands it better... Serral is my top 1, then Rogue and soO. The rest are lacking far behind, but Scarlett is for sure the closest one to these 3 when she is in form. Just needs to overcome that mental block.
that is why I give a good shot at the finals if you look how she is handling the times in between matches she looks to be trying to get back to a calm and more stable mindset for each match. compared to other events this one seems to be so far mental wise a huge step in the right direction
holy shit game 2 maru vs neeb :O but i am still going to whine regardless! WHY ???? the amount of skills mary put in in order to beat neeb's deathball army were otherworldly ridiculous ! Mssing EMP just 2 or 3 Hts would lead to a competely disaster for terran but for some fucking reasons mary still managed to win against the odds ! No one has ever done that in the history of Dota!(tobi wan-2012) ! i mean starcraft.....
On March 15 2019 06:57 seemsgood wrote: holy shit game 2 maru vs neeb :O but i am still going to whine regardless! WHY ???? the amount of skills mary put in in order to beat neeb's deathball army were otherworldly ridiculous ! Mssing EMP just 2 or 3 Hts would lead to a competely disaster for terran but for some fucking reasons mary still managed to win against the odds ! No one has ever done that in the history of Dota!(tobi wan-2012) ! i mean starcraft.....
HOLY MARY! You are going to whine regardless because you are a whiner, I guess "Mary" had to fight that hard because he started playing flawlessly once he was at a significant disadvantage due to Neeb's drop, not PvT balance; after that "Mary's" game was a true masterpiece, completely dismantling Neeb(who made too many errors, to say the truth).
I just cannot think of a tournament where no upsets happened, and this one looks like it so far. And since Maru and Innovation is arguably a fairly even match, the one remaining upset potential is pretty much Scarlett taking down Serral, and then the korean T.
Innovation bopped Maru in IEM qualifiers, I think he's the favourite for sure.
On March 15 2019 10:46 NinjaNight wrote: I'm scared that Serral will beat Scarlett and Maru will lose to Innovation so we won't have our Maru vs Serral. D:
Honestly that's what I foresee happening. I think Serral will do dirty Zerg things and win in the early game if that is the case. No way he's waiting till late game after the bopping he received at IEM.
On March 15 2019 10:46 NinjaNight wrote: I'm scared that Serral will beat Scarlett and Maru will lose to Innovation so we won't have our Maru vs Serral. D:
Honestly that's what I foresee happening. I think Serral will do dirty Zerg things and win in the early game if that is the case. No way he's waiting till late game after the bopping he received at IEM.
I think he means that Serral looked lost in lategame ZvT when he went down 0-2 to Innovation in the group stage at IEM, so if Serral meets Inno again in the final then he's probably going to look to end games faster rather than go into the lategame.
Havent followed as closely to start this year off. Innovation performing well generally means Terran is in a good place. Serral is still so consistent, very impressive.