I should note the above rankings are from EU ladder alone. ^
I want to know your guys' opinions. Why is this kid dominating so hard?
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sureshot_
United States257 Posts
I should note the above rankings are from EU ladder alone. ^ I want to know your guys' opinions. Why is this kid dominating so hard? | ||
Mrvoodoochild1
United States1439 Posts
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arew
Lithuania1861 Posts
edit: I've always been interested to know who's Kingler! O_O | ||
zefreak
United States2731 Posts
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ThatGuy89
United Kingdom1968 Posts
when the last one was made, it was made clear that it wasnt worth a thread. yea the guys an absolute beast, but if MMA or MVP or someone laddered on EU they'd probably do the same. This can be posted in his fan club or something, or even the old stephano ladder run thread | ||
Benjamin80
581 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:36 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote: Stephano is a great player, the EU ladder is not the worst ladder but is no where near as good as Korea so these type of streaks are possible. Exactly Stephano is a world class zerg this really means nothing anymore. EU to easy for him | ||
Arco
United States2090 Posts
Also, EU>NA not necessarily true, especially at the very top level that Stephano plays at. Many Koreans fill the high GM League on NA. So once you get to that level (where Stephano plays at) than NA is probably harder. Obviously below that is much more European favored. | ||
Dark.Carnival
United States5095 Posts
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DreamOen
Spain1400 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
BUT HE LOST A FUCKING MONOBATTLE, WHAT A NAB | ||
mememolly
4765 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:37 DreamOen wrote: Such a crazy record, but I think the same could happen if Nestea/Mvp/mc, or even when huk play on EU ladder, they get records like that.I'm curious about what stephano could achieve in the korean ladder with all that beasts around. he got like 70% win rate and was top 10 GM inside a few days | ||
drbrown
Sweden442 Posts
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
113 to 12 is a impressive run no matter how bad or good EU ladder is. btw who is kingler? some korean protoss smurf? | ||
Nelz
309 Posts
He's really bored by the EU ladder, he's thinking to another trip in korea in April but he's not sure yet. | ||
Mazaire
Australia217 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:38 ZenithM wrote: BUT HE LOST A FUCKING MONOBATTLE, WHAT A NAB i know right, he should quit right now. | ||
HellionDrop
281 Posts
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EonuS
Slovenia186 Posts
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
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DjRetro
Chile309 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:38 ZenithM wrote: BUT HE LOST A FUCKING MONOBATTLE, WHAT A NAB ROFL xD | ||
LimitSEA
Australia9580 Posts
Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. | ||
eraphocis
Denmark2 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:46 Nelz wrote: He's not even playing ladder seriously, he just make full ling most of the time versus terran and win without any problems. He's really bored by the EU ladder, he's thinking to another trip in korea in April but he's not sure yet. thought he wasn't going back to korea? last time he said he already learned all what was to learn from korea, now its only about training and practice, and he can do that in EU. | ||
blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:53 eraphocis wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2012 18:46 Nelz wrote: He's not even playing ladder seriously, he just make full ling most of the time versus terran and win without any problems. He's really bored by the EU ladder, he's thinking to another trip in korea in April but he's not sure yet. thought he wasn't going back to korea? last time he said he already learned all what was to learn from korea, now its only about training and practice, and he can do that in EU. Yes but the average korean player are a lot better then the average foreign player he plays on EU/NA. It wouldn't be a bad idea at all for him to play vs top koreans on ladder, better then smashing the EU ladder over and over again. | ||
Lorch
Germany3657 Posts
I don't even see why we keep getting threads over him doing well on ladder, I hope we can get away from the assumption of ladder rank/performance = skill. | ||
PandaTank
South Africa255 Posts
Edit: someone else already mentioned it | ||
Witten
United States2094 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Wtf that's so scary :D | ||
Koshi
Belgium38331 Posts
No disrespect to others, but when I see Strelok, Destiny, IdrA and IncontroL ladder. They look pretty mortal. Stephano had 9k viewers yesterday. And all these people actually like his playstyle and are there to watch him play SCII. Not for the drama. | ||
Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
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Poopi
France12468 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:56 PandaTank wrote: IMMvp had 200-10 on the EU server. Thats quite a lot sicker. Edit: someone else already mentioned it Pretty sure this isn't Mvp. Which is what is sick :D | ||
zul
Germany5427 Posts
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Dalavita
Sweden1113 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:46 Nelz wrote: He's not even playing ladder seriously, he just make full ling most of the time versus terran and win without any problems. He's really bored by the EU ladder, he's thinking to another trip in korea in April but he's not sure yet. Full ling is actually stupidly good against terran until they get maxed, so I'm not surprised he's doing well. On March 07 2012 18:37 Tump wrote: Talented former Warcraft 3 player with lots of dedication and skill and time to practice. His practice methods work, foreigners should use him as an example to improve. Also, EU>NA not necessarily true, especially at the very top level that Stephano plays at. Many Koreans fill the high GM League on NA. So once you get to that level (where Stephano plays at) than NA is probably harder. Obviously below that is much more European favored. What is his mode of practice exactly? | ||
mnck
Denmark1518 Posts
It's a silly system that makes ladder bad for players of Stephano's caliber... He was even saying in his own stream chat that it was really boring to play ladder when he could beat everyone he met with little effort. Fast teching to hive while completely annihilating funkay with only lings. – Just to give an example of what happened on his stream yesterday. Blizzard need to reconsider having a MMR cap on the ladder. It really seems to have a bad influence on the ladder in the very top. If you're grandmasters or near the top of masters, then you will most likely face Stephano on the ladder, and he will beat you. It's not matching skill anymore at this point. TLDR; MMR cap means Stephano is playing terrible players who are also MMR capped. | ||
PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:55 Lorch wrote: Well ladder is ladder and not really something challenging. Even though this run is impressive, all it shows is that sadly stephano's main practice (as he stated himself before) comes from ladder. There is a reason most top koreans don't care about ladder/don't even practice on it. Any top level pro is capable of getting >70% winratio on any ladder, given that EU is way under the KR level it's even easier on EU. I don't even see why we keep getting threads over him doing well on ladder, I hope we can get away from the assumption of ladder rank/performance = skill. He's the best EU player and he's rank 1 on EU ladder. Ladder means everything!!!!! + Show Spoiler + joking | ||
HyunA
Romania362 Posts
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
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Poopi
France12468 Posts
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Big-t
Austria1350 Posts
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m0ck
4194 Posts
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KiNGxXx
7928 Posts
On March 07 2012 19:32 Poopi wrote: I forced him to make roachs, fuck yeah 8) One roach or more? xD Well done anyway! | ||
zul
Germany5427 Posts
On March 07 2012 19:23 HyunA wrote: yes but who is Kingler? someone said it might be Mana, cuz he is a big pokemon fan. | ||
Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
Really wish Stephano goes to korea for a while and stays to try for Code A Shame he wont. | ||
lachy89
Australia264 Posts
Having said that it is very impressive. | ||
MrBitter
United States2939 Posts
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tapk69
Portugal264 Posts
Zerg is easiest race to Macro and micro (no micro) so he is a beast late game and one of the best zergs ive seen in early and mid-game | ||
zul
Germany5427 Posts
On March 07 2012 20:16 MrBitter wrote: This is actually very simple. Stephano is the best player in Europe. Therefore, he wins. Lots. I love you sir! Casting the IEM World Championship atm and still commenting in non related threads. (insert "like a boss" pic) On March 07 2012 20:18 tapk69 wrote: Stephano is the best player on Europe right now so its normal... Zerg is easiest race to Macro and micro (no micro) so he is a beast late game and one of the best zergs ive seen in early and mid-game I disagree with the "easiest race to macro", cuz you have to manage an additional ressource: Larva. Knowing when to drone and when to make units is very difficult. zerg is just different. | ||
Mesha
Bosnia-Herzegovina439 Posts
He is trully SC2 monster. It looks soo fucking easy when he plays. His play is almost perfect... | ||
kubiks
France1328 Posts
I would really like to see him on korean ladder, it's the only one where he would not be bored to death.... If you watch his stream you know he is sometimes trolling (i don't scout on ladder I don't care to loose, "I upgrade +1 melee for the lategame" when he kill the guy with roaches) Btw who want to bet Ailee is MKP smurf ? | ||
figq
12519 Posts
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F-Decoy
France245 Posts
But still, best players got best rating on ladder, just normal. | ||
Scorah
United States45 Posts
Easy calculation turns the 113-12 into 9.42wins per 1 loss. Number 1 Grand Master indeed!! That EmpireHappy player looks impressive with 473-97. but it turns out to be 4.88wins per 1 loss. In 7th place, WhiteRa, doing playing some good EU games has 206-84, that makes it to 2.45wins per 1 loss. Current rundown of the EU zerg^, terran*, protoss* standings | ||
Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
No1 comes close to him atm, lets hope he continues practicing hard. | ||
Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
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beamingrobot
United States685 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:37 ThatGuy89 wrote: our opinion is to stop threads like this being made -_- when the last one was made, it was made clear that it wasnt worth a thread. This can be posted in his fan club or something, or even the old stephano ladder run thread | ||
shadymmj
1906 Posts
http://sc2ranks.com/sea/253896/TiGerSPR is the best GM player ever. | ||
TheV
Brazil107 Posts
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Match
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Notorious13009
France8 Posts
A few days ago, Adelscott faced "Mvp" on EU ladder and kinda crushed him, it was like the middle of the night in Korea, "Mvp" ragequitted the game, and in the replay he had like 70 average APM, that's why I think it's sort of a fake or maphacker I dont know. Just sayin. Edit: And btw what's the point for MVP to practice on EU ? Lag and the average level is lower compared to KR. | ||
hyperdemented
Austria372 Posts
On March 07 2012 20:13 lachy89 wrote: This may sound like a stupid question... But is constantly destroying people on the ladder really the best level of practice? Having said that it is very impressive. no...and he has said himself that he doesnt learn anything from eu ladder anymore, thats why he went to korea in the first place | ||
KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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Nizzy
United States839 Posts
On March 07 2012 20:58 Jakkerr wrote: Stephano is by far the best player outside of Korea. No1 comes close to him atm, lets hope he continues practicing hard. Stephano is top 3 without a doubt, but guaranteed the best? Morrow is insanely impressive for a dual racer. HuK might be the best PvP in the world. He beat like 4 korean protoss players in the last MLG arena. Naniwa beats a ton of top Koreans consistently as well. That ladder run is so impressive. Everytime I think of Stephano I think of IdrA from a video a few months back where he basically down plays Stephano saying people already figured him out and he's going to phase out. Looks like that's the exact opposite and is exactly what's happening to IdrA atm, sadly. Americans are losing power in the scene but "gratz!" to Stephano. | ||
Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
(didnt knew it was capped btw) Mmr cap is completely irrelevant Only effect of mmr cap is that stephano has more ladder points then he would have without mmr cap if he gets rated as 2500 at the cap,while he would be for example 2600 without cap, he gets more points for winning ah, thx for explanation, ya i understand now that due to the cap he gets paired with lesser players alot also, wich is a reason for his high winrate. Blizz could remove the cap and at the same time make the bandwith in wich it will match you with other players wider, for example top players can be matched with players 300 mmr lower instead of for example 150 mmr now to prevent the top players from having to seek matches for hours. this would give the same results without the mmr cap | ||
Crying
Bulgaria778 Posts
MMR cap is dumb shit that should't even existed,becuase u can be top master and be matched with #1 GM which is riduclously big gap in skill.>:< | ||
iHirO
United Kingdom1381 Posts
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theMarkovian
Netherlands183 Posts
On March 07 2012 21:20 Rassy wrote: How has Mmr cap annything to do with this? (didnt knew it was capped btw) Mmr cap is completely irrelevant Only effect of mmr cap is that stephano has more ladder points then he would have without mmr cap if he gets rated as 2500 at the cap,while he would be for example 2600 without cap, he gets more points for winning Everyone starting at mid to high masters is MMR capped. This means that the top of GM doesn't only get matched with top GM, but also mid masters. The skill difference is huge, meaning rediculous win/loss ratio's are very possible, stomping masters players as a Pro. | ||
Garnet
Vietnam9001 Posts
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Poopi
France12468 Posts
On March 07 2012 21:35 theMarkovian wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2012 21:20 Rassy wrote: How has Mmr cap annything to do with this? (didnt knew it was capped btw) Mmr cap is completely irrelevant Only effect of mmr cap is that stephano has more ladder points then he would have without mmr cap if he gets rated as 2500 at the cap,while he would be for example 2600 without cap, he gets more points for winning Everyone starting at mid to high masters is MMR capped. This means that the top of GM doesn't only get matched with top GM, but also mid masters. The skill difference is huge, meaning rediculous win/loss ratio's are very possible, stomping masters players as a Pro. Lol what the huck are you saying. The worse Stephano can be matched with is around top 100 EU master, which is not mid master at all but more like high/top master... It should be easy for pros to beat top masters, but 90% winrate is still ridiculous, even Happy doesn't have such an high ratio | ||
Antares_
Poland269 Posts
Anyways, quite impressive | ||
Funkydonky
950 Posts
On March 07 2012 21:19 Nizzy wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2012 20:58 Jakkerr wrote: Stephano is by far the best player outside of Korea. No1 comes close to him atm, lets hope he continues practicing hard. Stephano is top 3 without a doubt, but guaranteed the best? Morrow is insanely impressive for a dual racer. HuK might be the best PvP in the world. He beat like 4 korean protoss players in the last MLG arena. Naniwa beats a ton of top Koreans consistently as well. That ladder run is so impressive. Everytime I think of Stephano I think of IdrA from a video a few months back where he basically down plays Stephano saying people already figured him out and he's going to phase out. Looks like that's the exact opposite and is exactly what's happening to IdrA atm, sadly. Americans are losing power in the scene but "gratz!" to Stephano. Only korean protoss player huk beat in mlg arena was oz. | ||
Aeceus
United Kingdom1278 Posts
On March 07 2012 21:19 Nizzy wrote: HuK might be the best PvP in the world. GTFO... just no.. | ||
Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
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flakmonkey
Australia254 Posts
Stephano is easily the best foreigner at the moment. Right now I'd say it's: 1) Stephano 2) Naniwa 3) Ret 4) Huk/Sen/Thorzain/Kas | ||
Shade_FR
France378 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Did you know that MVP was in bronze last season ? That's why he has such an high win/rate ratio. Stephano didn't lower his MMR back to bronze to get an high win-streak. | ||
CluEleSs_UK
United Kingdom583 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:43 USvBleakill wrote: Losing a monobattle... he should really quit sc2 with such bad results. 113 to 12 is a impressive run no matter how bad or good EU ladder is. btw who is kingler? some korean protoss smurf? Kingler is MC isn't it? Correct me if I'm wrong | ||
Timurid
Guyana (French)656 Posts
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Cereb
Denmark3388 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:55 Lorch wrote: Well ladder is ladder and not really something challenging. Even though this run is impressive, all it shows is that sadly stephano's main practice (as he stated himself before) comes from ladder. There is a reason most top koreans don't care about ladder/don't even practice on it. Any top level pro is capable of getting >70% winratio on any ladder, given that EU is way under the KR level it's even easier on EU. I don't even see why we keep getting threads over him doing well on ladder, I hope we can get away from the assumption of ladder rank/performance = skill. umm, no, actually most korean pros practice on the ladder as stated by foreigners visiting Korean, and you can also just look at sc2rank and see most of the top players there. It's just another place to improve. Sometimes I think it's a little overstated that "ladder means nothing". Usually a good ladder record indicates alot of potential in a player. Like players that are about to break out tournament wise or players who are merely held back by nerve issues at lan events. I dunno how I feel about the MMR cap thing. On the one hand meeting too easy opponents is silly but on the other so is waiting a long ass time for each game. | ||
Benjamin80
581 Posts
On March 07 2012 22:33 CluEleSs_UK wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2012 18:43 USvBleakill wrote: Losing a monobattle... he should really quit sc2 with such bad results. 113 to 12 is a impressive run no matter how bad or good EU ladder is. btw who is kingler? some korean protoss smurf? Kingler is MC isn't it? Correct me if I'm wrong MaNa I belive | ||
HornyHerring
Papua New Guinea1053 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:36 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote: Stephano is a great player, the EU ladder is not the worst ladder but is no where near as good as Korea so these type of streaks are possible. Not the worst? It's the second hardest after Korean, lol. | ||
setzer
United States3284 Posts
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
We all know he's a very good player, probably the best foreigner but come on | ||
Cortza
South Africa328 Posts
On March 07 2012 23:12 setzer wrote: Wow another thread discussing Stephano's compeletely meaningless ladder results. Does it still actually surprise people he is the best non-Korean? On March 07 2012 23:14 Linwelin wrote: Are we going to have "stephano ladder runs" threads every single season? We all know he's a very good player, probably the best foreigner but come on Haters gonna hate? User was warned for this post | ||
worked13
Australia93 Posts
On March 07 2012 23:12 setzer wrote: Wow another thread discussing Stephano's compeletely meaningless ladder results. Does it still actually surprise people he is the best non-Korean? Isn't ladder one of his primary methods of practising? 'Meaningless' is a pretty strong word. | ||
Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On March 07 2012 23:44 Cortza wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2012 23:12 setzer wrote: Wow another thread discussing Stephano's compeletely meaningless ladder results. Does it still actually surprise people he is the best non-Korean? Show nested quote + On March 07 2012 23:14 Linwelin wrote: Are we going to have "stephano ladder runs" threads every single season? We all know he's a very good player, probably the best foreigner but come on Haters gonna hate? Where in my post did i hate on Stephano, please tell me. Maybe the part that says that he's the best foreigner? | ||
drbrown
Sweden442 Posts
On March 07 2012 21:19 Nizzy wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2012 20:58 Jakkerr wrote: Stephano is by far the best player outside of Korea. No1 comes close to him atm, lets hope he continues practicing hard. Stephano is top 3 without a doubt, but guaranteed the best? Morrow is insanely impressive for a dual racer. HuK might be the best PvP in the world. He beat like 4 korean protoss players in the last MLG arena. Naniwa beats a ton of top Koreans consistently as well. HuK beat Minigun, Socke, Ret and Oz then got 2-0ed by MarineKing and DongRaeGu. Minigun and Socke are not even close to being the best within their region, Ret's ZvP is his worst MU and HuK won with two dumb all ins. Beating Oz is the only really legit thing he did the entire tournament. MorroW does not have any achivements under his belt except the occasional upset, and he has a negative personal record vs Stephano. Same thing with Naniwa except he runs a bit deeper in tournaments. Looking at tournament results, vs koreans and comparing head to head Stephanos comes out on top vs any foreigner. | ||
Netto.
Poland522 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Some player who made himself bronze last season now made a streak on worse players... If it would be IMMVP GM last season he would obviously be GM with such a streak in that season, just think a little : ) | ||
The_Darkness
United States910 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Not MVP; some sort of hacked account. | ||
Gatored
United States679 Posts
On March 07 2012 23:44 Cortza wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2012 23:12 setzer wrote: Wow another thread discussing Stephano's compeletely meaningless ladder results. Does it still actually surprise people he is the best non-Korean? Show nested quote + On March 07 2012 23:14 Linwelin wrote: Are we going to have "stephano ladder runs" threads every single season? We all know he's a very good player, probably the best foreigner but come on Haters gonna hate? Reading comprehension FTW. | ||
WigglingSquid
5194 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:40 mememolly wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2012 18:37 DreamOen wrote: Such a crazy record, but I think the same could happen if Nestea/Mvp/mc, or even when huk play on EU ladder, they get records like that.I'm curious about what stephano could achieve in the korean ladder with all that beasts around. he got like 70% win rate and was top 10 GM inside a few days NSHS.Seal had an 80% win rate in top 20 GM some time ago, but I don't see threads being spawned about it. Can't this be included in Stephano's fanclub rather than bothering everyone with these kind of empty OP-threads? | ||
mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
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Mayd
Finland251 Posts
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Ziktomini
United Kingdom377 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:37 ThatGuy89 wrote: our opinion is to stop threads like this being made -_- when the last one was made, it was made clear that it wasnt worth a thread. yea the guys an absolute beast, but if MMA or MVP or someone laddered on EU they'd probably do the same. This can be posted in his fan club or something, or even the old stephano ladder run thread I'm not actually 100% sure it is the MVP, but "IMMVP" is right above me in my division on something like 250 - 15. Bastard is stopping me being 1st in my division | ||
The_Darkness
United States910 Posts
To clarify a few things: 1. Ladder play does seem to reasonably well correlate with objective measures of skill, such as Elo -- 3 of the 5 nonKorean players in the top 5 in terms of Elo scores have the highest win rates, or near the highest win rates, on the EU server. 2. Ladder play does not correlate well, however, with the opinions of angry nerds. 3. Ladder play I would guess best predicts results in tournaments where you don't have time to study your opponent in depth -- which is most tournaments outside the GSL. Playing on ladder is sort of like site reading a concerto whereas playing in GSL is like preparing a few months out for your Carnegie Hall debut; it's possible that the person playing at Carnegie Hall (e.g., Nestea) is not as good as someone who's a great site reader (e.g., Stephano) when he has more limited time to learn the piece he has to play. 4. I have a strong hunch that not a single person detracting from Stephano's ladder run or shitting on it as meaningless will ever accomplish anything as impressive in his entire life, but I have no way of verifying this so it's just a hunch. Edit: Edited 1. to say 3 of the 5 nonKorean players "in the top 5 in terms of Elo scores". | ||
Harbinger631
United States376 Posts
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The_Darkness
United States910 Posts
On March 08 2012 00:03 WigglingSquid wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2012 18:40 mememolly wrote: On March 07 2012 18:37 DreamOen wrote: Such a crazy record, but I think the same could happen if Nestea/Mvp/mc, or even when huk play on EU ladder, they get records like that.I'm curious about what stephano could achieve in the korean ladder with all that beasts around. he got like 70% win rate and was top 10 GM inside a few days NSHS.Seal had an 80% win rate in top 20 GM some time ago, but I don't see threads being spawned about it. Can't this be included in Stephano's fanclub rather than bothering everyone with these kind of empty OP-threads? When was this? Seal has around a 67% win rate at present. An 80% win rate on the KR server, assuming all of the games were played when your MMR was at GM level, is more impressive than a 90% win rate on the EU server, probably, but both are damn impressive. Also recall that Stephano had the second best win % of any zerg and he had no time to adjust to playing on the KR server. Every foreigner seems to say it takes quite a while to adjust to the style of play there. He immediately jumped right in and was dominant. That's also very impressive. | ||
TheTurk
United States732 Posts
Wish he was at IEM. | ||
HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On March 07 2012 23:51 worked13 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2012 23:12 setzer wrote: Wow another thread discussing Stephano's compeletely meaningless ladder results. Does it still actually surprise people he is the best non-Korean? Isn't ladder one of his primary methods of practising? 'Meaningless' is a pretty strong word. No, most pros almost never ladder. Once people actually get good they stop laddering and practice in custom games vs other good players. Ladder, and especially ladder while streaming is not good practice at all. Most of your games will be vs random bads (because of capped MMR) who will just do random bad cheese/all in or vs people trying to stream cheat or stream snipe you. | ||
nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On March 08 2012 00:21 hunts wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2012 23:51 worked13 wrote: On March 07 2012 23:12 setzer wrote: Wow another thread discussing Stephano's compeletely meaningless ladder results. Does it still actually surprise people he is the best non-Korean? Isn't ladder one of his primary methods of practising? 'Meaningless' is a pretty strong word. No, most pros almost never ladder. Once people actually get good they stop laddering and practice in custom games vs other good players. Ladder, and especially ladder while streaming is not good practice at all. Most of your games will be vs random bads (because of capped MMR) who will just do random bad cheese/all in or vs people trying to stream cheat or stream snipe you. Some pro's does but many don't. Morrow have said that he almost never practise on ladder except when he streams. | ||
-TesteR-
Canada1165 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:37 zefreak wrote: Considering that people like Nerchio, Bratok and Bly have reasonably similar winrates, I would have to conclude that EU ladder is really not that tough? I don't actually know, and I don't mean to downplay any of their accomplishments, but it doesn't look like Stephano's run is much more impressive than any of the guys I mentioned, and while they are top EU players they aren't really top in the world. A lot of the top euro players are on Korea like ToD and Naniwa so this doesn't seem too impressive. Even NA has players like Vines, but I don't think there are any kors on EU. | ||
Benjamin80
581 Posts
On March 08 2012 00:09 The_Darkness wrote: His run is freaking amazing notwithstanding the fact that the KR ladder is a lot tougher and being the best on the ladder doesn't mean you'll be awarded a GSL trophy. To clarify a few things: 1. Ladder play does seem to reasonably well correlate with objective measures of skill, such as Elo -- 3 of the 5 nonKorean players in the top 5 in terms of Elo scores have the highest win rates, or near the highest win rates, on the EU server. 2. Ladder play does not correlate well, however, with the opinions of angry nerds. 3. Ladder play I would guess best predicts results in tournaments where you don't have time to study your opponent in depth -- which is most tournaments outside the GSL. Playing on ladder is sort of like site reading a concerto whereas playing in GSL is like preparing a few months out for your Carnegie Hall debut; it's possible that the person playing at Carnegie Hall (e.g., Nestea) is not as good as someone who's a great site reader (e.g., Stephano) when he has more limited time to learn the piece he has to play. 4. I have a strong hunch that not a single person detracting from Stephano's ladder run or shitting on it as meaningless will ever accomplish anything as impressive in his entire life, but I have no way of verifying this so it's just a hunch. Edit: Edited 1. to say 3 of the 5 nonKorean players "in the top 5 in terms of Elo scores". Good post you could be right. I also think strong ladder play as a zerg shows you got incredible mechanics and are very good at reactive situations aka suprice cheese. I still think Stephano´s top 7 Korean GM 72% win ratio are more impressive then this btw last time a post like this was made Stephano won a major tournament so is he going to win IPL 4 also:D | ||
Zeon0
Austria2995 Posts
but ofc he is insanely good, nothing new there^^ | ||
Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
Seriously, I think that Stephano would be close to the level of Flash if he offered a similar amount of dedication. There's some stuff in his play that can't really be copied. Remember what the BW players say? That there are some builds that only Flash can do because he's Flash? The same thing applies here. | ||
Archvil3
Denmark989 Posts
Too many pros plays styles that are too volatile so they occasionaly lose to players they shouldnt. Playing a style that ensures a victory pretty much all of the time against lesser opponents is very important if you want to be a consistant top player and Stephano is one of the best in that regard. Oh yea and he is not just consistant, he is pretty damn good as well! | ||
Coated
United States74 Posts
On March 08 2012 00:49 Archvil3 wrote: One of Stephanos most brilliant aspects of his game is that he plays a style where he doesnt loose to inferior players. Too many pros plays styles that are too volatile so they occasionaly lose to players they shouldnt. Playing a style that ensures a victory pretty much all of the time against lesser opponents is very important if you want to be a consistant top player and Stephano is one of the best in that regard. Oh yea and he is not just consistant, he is pretty damn good as well! Infestors. | ||
poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On March 08 2012 00:30 Acritter wrote: Lost at Team Monobattles...? Must have randomed Overlords or something. Seriously, I think that Stephano would be close to the level of Flash if he offered a similar amount of dedication. There's some stuff in his play that can't really be copied. Remember what the BW players say? That there are some builds that only Flash can do because he's Flash? The same thing applies here. Seriously cool down. Don't make it seem like being able to have the level of dedication flash has is an easy thing. Fact is, no one can practise and live the game as much as flash can, and thats why flash is the best. Arbitrary statements about how if a player practise more, he would be so good are almost useless since the only thing that matters in starcraft is practise... | ||
Zeon0
Austria2995 Posts
he lost convincingly to Polt, so Polt must be some uber Flash? dont be ridiculous... | ||
turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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Deadstrider
Netherlands258 Posts
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Wrathsc2
United States2025 Posts
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On March 08 2012 01:00 Zeon0 wrote: Stephano is very good, but plz dont compare him to Flash ffs he lost convincingly to Polt, so Polt must be some uber Flash? dont be ridiculous... You'd think he was already better than Flash the way most people are talking. | ||
latan
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Benjamin80
581 Posts
On March 08 2012 01:02 radiantshadow92 wrote: I wonder how he would do in korea, Impressive either way. In the end tho, ladder doesnt matter He was there all December did top 7 GM 72% win ratio. | ||
Kira__
Sweden2672 Posts
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Really trying to take away his from his ladderun? winning above 90% on NA,EU is actually pretty damn good. Stephano has proven in Tournaments he is easily a Code S level player. | ||
Misanthrope
United States924 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:37 zefreak wrote: Considering that people like Nerchio, Bratok and Bly have reasonably similar winrates, I would have to conclude that EU ladder is really not that tough? I don't actually know, and I don't mean to downplay any of their accomplishments, but it doesn't look like Stephano's run is much more impressive than any of the guys I mentioned, and while they are top EU players they aren't really top in the world. I believe to fix the GM issues from previous seasons, the maximum MMR cap was lowered. This helps tip top players find games more quickly, and other players reach their level of MMR more easily. No doubt there are some impressive players in that list of wins, but I'm sure many more are simply outclassed hardcore amateurs. This is all based on me skimming someone else's post from another thread I don't remember very well, so it may be incorrect. However, it is an explanation. | ||
ChaosTerran
Austria844 Posts
On March 07 2012 21:05 shadymmj wrote: with an unbelievable 97.83% winrate and a record of 45-1, http://sc2ranks.com/sea/253896/TiGerSPR is the best GM player ever. Dude calm down. It's the SEA server, GM doesn't mean anything there, because the player numbers are so low and there are pretty much no top players playing on that server either. | ||
hunts
United States2113 Posts
On March 08 2012 01:08 XRaDiiX wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Really trying to take away his from his ladderun? winning above 90% on NA,EU is actually pretty damn good. Stephano has proven in Tournaments he is easily a Code S level player. Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? | ||
Belha
Italy2850 Posts
But even much impresive are some korean accounts: 1. NexExcrement (T) 179W 59L 75.21% 4. 창조의저녁 (T) 74W 13L 85.06% 8. NSHjjakji (T) 59W 14L 80.82% 20. CreatorPrime (P) 26W 4L 86.67% 25. llllllllllll 52W 12L 81.25% Remember that korean ladder is so so much harder than any other, to the point that prolly that only about 5 Eu players have the same level of the korean top 300 (Hero, huk, Sase, Apocalypse, JYP, Nestea, Mvp, and many others accounts are NOT in GM, that's why +200) | ||
ddrddrddrddr
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Tiazi
Netherlands761 Posts
this kid is incredible | ||
mrlie3
Canada350 Posts
On March 08 2012 01:39 ddrddrddrddr wrote: I watch his stream and I would be very interested in knowing how he would do on the korean ladder, where cheese is much more common. Europeans seem to be much more focused on macro oriented play which is nice but it makes it difficult for cross server comparison. He was in Korea for couple months before, and he was 70%+ rank 30+ GM there. | ||
magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
Stephano is a beast | ||
paddyz
Ireland628 Posts
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Adventurekid
Sweden505 Posts
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Benjamin80
581 Posts
On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 01:08 XRaDiiX wrote: On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Really trying to take away his from his ladderun? winning above 90% on NA,EU is actually pretty damn good. Stephano has proven in Tournaments he is easily a Code S level player. Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! | ||
aXel92
72 Posts
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The_Darkness
United States910 Posts
1. No pro takes the ladder seriously. True and False. Progamers know no money is on the line and many are practicing specific builds, strategies, etc. but a progamer is a competitor and competitors want to win, just like I, and likely you, want to win when we're playing on the ladder even though nothing at all is at stake other than the good feelings that come with achieving something you set out to accomplish. Also, if ladder were completely meaningless (including from a psychological standpoint), you wouldn't see BM from gamers like Idra, Nerchio, Lalush, etc. BM preserves your ego, which wouldn't need preserving if playing on ladder were meaningless. 2. Most pros don't practice on ladder. False. Every single high level pro has a ladder account and most have several. Most practice with the best practice partners they can find but all pros practice at least sometimes on the ladder. This isn't to say it's their primary mode of practice since the caliber of play on the ladder, if you're a top pro, isn't high enough to improve (unless you're Stephano and you're simply a genius at the game). 3. Ladder results are meaningless / have no bearing on tournament / league results. Obviously false. 3 of the top 5 foreigners in terms of Elo are beasts on the ladder (Nerchio, Stephano and Happy). MKP has completely owned the KR server and has posted very good GSL results and even better nonGSL results, in foreign tournaments and Korean tournaments. DRG was the top rated zerg in win % in season 5 and he's probably the best player in the world at the moment. Nestea, in contrast, has posted good but not exceptional ladder results (around a 60% win rate typically) and his nonGSL results seem relatively in line with that ladder ranking. Ladder probably correlates less well with GSL results, since, unlike on the ladder, at the GSL you may have several weeks to prepare for a single opponent. Nevertheless, MVP, MMA, Alive, etc. all do very well on ladder and I'm not aware of anyone who has enjoyed success in the GSL while maintaining around a 50% win rate on the KR server (which is the win rate most good foreigners not named Stephano seem to achieve). Foreign tournaments / nonGSL tournaments are typically much closer in format to the ladder because you don't know who your opponent will be far in advance and at many tournaments the loser chooses the next map so you can't even be sure precisely which maps you'll play on. 4. Stephano is getting these results because of the skill cap on MMR. False and idiotic. There are only a handful of players with MMRs comparable to Stephano; unless they happen to be searching for a game at the time Stephano plays, they obviously will not be matched with him and so by necessity he ends up playing some masters level players and lower ranked GMs. The same thing would happen if they removed the skill cap. 5. If the top KRs played in EU they would win at least as often as Stephano. Perhaps true, at least if by "top KRs" we mean MMA, MVP, MKP, Alive and DRG. Those guys are the best in KR (and in the world) and thus they should own face just like Stephano on the EU server. But that is a very small, very select group of players. If having a 90% win rate on the EU server means you're generally regarded as one of a select few players on the planet who could achieve such results, then having a 90% win rate on the ladder means something. | ||
Tarotis
Germany1931 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:43 USvBleakill wrote: Losing a monobattle... he should really quit sc2 with such bad results. 113 to 12 is a impressive run no matter how bad or good EU ladder is. btw who is kingler? some korean protoss smurf? Its MaNa | ||
revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
Maybe, just maybe Stephano will continue playing SC2 beyond this academic year and not go to continue his studying. I hope he does, Stephano is good for the Foreign SC2 scene. | ||
Tarotis
Germany1931 Posts
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:08 XRaDiiX wrote: On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Really trying to take away his from his ladderun? winning above 90% on NA,EU is actually pretty damn good. Stephano has proven in Tournaments he is easily a Code S level player. Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? | ||
chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
On March 07 2012 20:25 Mesha wrote: If Stephano could get to practice with at least one or more great Korean Top player for each race, instead of ladder, i am not sure what the hell next level of his play would be? Best player ever?? He is trully SC2 monster. It looks soo fucking easy when he plays. His play is almost perfect... He would certainly be the next bonjwa. No doubt. | ||
Velr
Switzerland10416 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:08 XRaDiiX wrote: On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Really trying to take away his from his ladderun? winning above 90% on NA,EU is actually pretty damn good. Stephano has proven in Tournaments he is easily a Code S level player. Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Wasn't MLG Winter Arena that tourney where nearly every good EU foreigner was at Asus Rog? | ||
Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:03 chosenkerrigan wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2012 20:25 Mesha wrote: If Stephano could get to practice with at least one or more great Korean Top player for each race, instead of ladder, i am not sure what the hell next level of his play would be? Best player ever?? He is trully SC2 monster. It looks soo fucking easy when he plays. His play is almost perfect... He would certainly be the next bonjwa. No doubt. Don't kid yourself. He already is... + Show Spoiler + this is sarcasm | ||
Tiegrr
United States607 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:38 ZenithM wrote: BUT HE LOST A FUCKING MONOBATTLE, WHAT A NAB I laughed a good 2 minutes. | ||
fighter2_40
United States420 Posts
On March 07 2012 19:20 mnck wrote: MMR cap causes this... My friend who is high masters is matched with teams even against Stephano. If you're teams even with number 1 GM while you're maybe only number 100 in masters in EU, then something with the ladder seems flawed by design in my eyes. Basically anyone in high masters and grandmasters are MMR capped to the point where they are slightly favored against each other. It's a silly system that makes ladder bad for players of Stephano's caliber... He was even saying in his own stream chat that it was really boring to play ladder when he could beat everyone he met with little effort. Fast teching to hive while completely annihilating funkay with only lings. – Just to give an example of what happened on his stream yesterday. Blizzard need to reconsider having a MMR cap on the ladder. It really seems to have a bad influence on the ladder in the very top. If you're grandmasters or near the top of masters, then you will most likely face Stephano on the ladder, and he will beat you. It's not matching skill anymore at this point. TLDR; MMR cap means Stephano is playing terrible players who are also MMR capped. But without the mmr cap stephano would actually just not find enough matches. Would you rather que up on ladder for half an hour or actually just play people who are worse. | ||
hunts
United States2113 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:04 Velr wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:08 XRaDiiX wrote: On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Really trying to take away his from his ladderun? winning above 90% on NA,EU is actually pretty damn good. Stephano has proven in Tournaments he is easily a Code S level player. Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Wasn't MLG Winter Arena that tourney where nearly every good EU foreigner was at Asus Rog? didn't pay attention to eu players. But it was the tourney with MKP, MVP, nestea, naniwa, idra, huk, DRG, etc.. AKA the best players. | ||
Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 01:08 XRaDiiX wrote: On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Really trying to take away his from his ladderun? winning above 90% on NA,EU is actually pretty damn good. Stephano has proven in Tournaments he is easily a Code S level player. Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Haha, Idra never reachs the Korean GM where Stephano did top 10 with 70% winrate. Please look at the results of both before saying these terrible statments haha. | ||
Benjamin80
581 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:08 XRaDiiX wrote: On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Really trying to take away his from his ladderun? winning above 90% on NA,EU is actually pretty damn good. Stephano has proven in Tournaments he is easily a Code S level player. Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro | ||
JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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redemption
United States112 Posts
On March 08 2012 00:30 Acritter wrote: Lost at Team Monobattles...? Must have randomed Overlords or something. Seriously, I think that Stephano would be close to the level of Flash if he offered a similar amount of dedication. There's some stuff in his play that can't really be copied. Remember what the BW players say? That there are some builds that only Flash can do because he's Flash? The same thing applies here. You're comparing Stephano's mass ling/infestor to what Flash does? Please... And furthermore, I'd argue that DRG plays the mass ling/infestor style at least as good as, if not better than, Stephano does... while having a far superior muta-ling-bane style in his arsenal as well. | ||
Thurken
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Benjamin80
581 Posts
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JohnMatrix
France1349 Posts
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:08 XRaDiiX wrote: On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Really trying to take away his from his ladderun? winning above 90% on NA,EU is actually pretty damn good. Stephano has proven in Tournaments he is easily a Code S level player. Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. and to All the best foreigner players was in Asus only one who was missing was Naniwa im sorry to tell you that You forgot the other foreigners like Idra and huk, who are better than basically every other foreigner that was at asus rog. | ||
JohnMatrix
France1349 Posts
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HyDrA_solic
Portugal491 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:08 XRaDiiX wrote: On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Really trying to take away his from his ladderun? winning above 90% on NA,EU is actually pretty damn good. Stephano has proven in Tournaments he is easily a Code S level player. Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. and to Show nested quote + All the best foreigner players was in Asus only one who was missing was Naniwa im sorry to tell you that You forgot the other foreigners like Idra and huk, who are better than basically every other foreigner that was at asus rog. so who's the best foreigner for you, may I ask? | ||
ShatterZer0
United States1843 Posts
I mean... once a player is at THAT level ladder just becomes playing against yourself/against a computer that WILL lose... you just have to do what you already know how to... | ||
revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
You can see them here http://www.twitch.tv/mstephano/ For those wanting to see his games from his time on Korean Ladder, you can see his Ladder run from his time in Korea by going back to the early December 2011 videos. They are all still viewable. He played a lot of the big names in Korea. http://www.twitch.tv/mstephano/videos?page=7 | ||
Agathon
France1505 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:08 XRaDiiX wrote: On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Really trying to take away his from his ladderun? winning above 90% on NA,EU is actually pretty damn good. Stephano has proven in Tournaments he is easily a Code S level player. Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. Who's the best foreigner then? And the best foreign zerg? It's seems that you are blindly overhyping some guys too, specially zergs, exactly what you dislike from a small part of Stephano's fans. | ||
Benjamin80
581 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:08 XRaDiiX wrote: On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Really trying to take away his from his ladderun? winning above 90% on NA,EU is actually pretty damn good. Stephano has proven in Tournaments he is easily a Code S level player. Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. and to Show nested quote + All the best foreigner players was in Asus only one who was missing was Naniwa im sorry to tell you that You forgot the other foreigners like Idra and huk, who are better than basically every other foreigner that was at asus rog. Idra? Really the idra that got 13 of 50 (26%) since Dreamhack and just got 1-4 in his group at IEM or are you speaking of another Idra. And Huk got the worst PvZ in the world atm so yea he needs to work on that before he can get back to the top I dont know if you just trolling me tbh | ||
Tarotis
Germany1931 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:20 Agathon wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:08 XRaDiiX wrote: On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Really trying to take away his from his ladderun? winning above 90% on NA,EU is actually pretty damn good. Stephano has proven in Tournaments he is easily a Code S level player. Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. Who's the best foreigner then? And the best foreign zerg? It's seems that you are blindly overhyping some guys too, specially zergs, exactly what you dislike from a small part of Stephano's fans. He is definetly the best foreigner zerg. But there is no best foreigner atm. NaNiwa, Stephano, possibly Major are the best skill-wise | ||
hunts
United States2113 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:19 HyDrA_solic wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:08 XRaDiiX wrote: On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Really trying to take away his from his ladderun? winning above 90% on NA,EU is actually pretty damn good. Stephano has proven in Tournaments he is easily a Code S level player. Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. and to All the best foreigner players was in Asus only one who was missing was Naniwa im sorry to tell you that You forgot the other foreigners like Idra and huk, who are better than basically every other foreigner that was at asus rog. so who's the best foreigner for you, may I ask? There isn't one right now. Every top foreigner has their moments of brilliance and moments of just getting owned, so far no foreigner has consistently done well enough vs other foreigners or koreans to be considered "top foreigner" And to other guy, no major is nowhere near the list of top foreigners. Also you forgot to add huk, idra, select, thorzain, ret, select. And I will say Idra is definitely better than stephano. Idra just has too many fanboys and anti-fanboys that makes it hard to take anything about him serious at times. | ||
SKYFISH_
Bulgaria990 Posts
He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg i dont think there is a western player who can be confident in a BO5 against stephano this kinda makes him best foreigner and best foreigner zerg, sorry just the fact that stephano was floating around rank 30 KR GM straight out of the plane without spending half a year in a korean pro house should be enough. | ||
revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:22 hunts wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 02:19 HyDrA_solic wrote: On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:08 XRaDiiX wrote: On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Really trying to take away his from his ladderun? winning above 90% on NA,EU is actually pretty damn good. Stephano has proven in Tournaments he is easily a Code S level player. Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. and to All the best foreigner players was in Asus only one who was missing was Naniwa im sorry to tell you that You forgot the other foreigners like Idra and huk, who are better than basically every other foreigner that was at asus rog. so who's the best foreigner for you, may I ask? There isn't one right now. Every top foreigner has their moments of brilliance and moments of just getting owned, so far no foreigner has consistently done well enough vs other foreigners or koreans to be considered "top foreigner" Nestea said Stephano was the best Foreigner in State of the Game. Are you saying Nestea does not know what he is talking about and that he is wrong to claim Stephano is the best Foreigner? | ||
Benjamin80
581 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:22 hunts wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 02:19 HyDrA_solic wrote: On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:08 XRaDiiX wrote: On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Really trying to take away his from his ladderun? winning above 90% on NA,EU is actually pretty damn good. Stephano has proven in Tournaments he is easily a Code S level player. Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. and to All the best foreigner players was in Asus only one who was missing was Naniwa im sorry to tell you that You forgot the other foreigners like Idra and huk, who are better than basically every other foreigner that was at asus rog. so who's the best foreigner for you, may I ask? There isn't one right now. Every top foreigner has their moments of brilliance and moments of just getting owned, so far no foreigner has consistently done well enough vs other foreigners or koreans to be considered "top foreigner" haha so what do you have todo to be consistently doing well? I really want to know becuase if it isnt enough what Stephano has done the last 6months then im not sure. The kid wins allmost everything | ||
Benjamin80
581 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:22 hunts wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 02:19 HyDrA_solic wrote: On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:08 XRaDiiX wrote: On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Really trying to take away his from his ladderun? winning above 90% on NA,EU is actually pretty damn good. Stephano has proven in Tournaments he is easily a Code S level player. Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. and to All the best foreigner players was in Asus only one who was missing was Naniwa im sorry to tell you that You forgot the other foreigners like Idra and huk, who are better than basically every other foreigner that was at asus rog. so who's the best foreigner for you, may I ask? There isn't one right now. Every top foreigner has their moments of brilliance and moments of just getting owned, so far no foreigner has consistently done well enough vs other foreigners or koreans to be considered "top foreigner" And to other guy, no major is nowhere near the list of top foreigners. Also you forgot to add huk, idra, select, thorzain, ret, select. And I will say Idra is definitely better than stephano. Idra just has too many fanboys and anti-fanboys that makes it hard to take anything about him serious at times. ok lol now you just trolling me. I have had enough have a nice day sir | ||
HyDrA_solic
Portugal491 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:22 hunts wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 02:19 HyDrA_solic wrote: On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:08 XRaDiiX wrote: On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Really trying to take away his from his ladderun? winning above 90% on NA,EU is actually pretty damn good. Stephano has proven in Tournaments he is easily a Code S level player. Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. and to All the best foreigner players was in Asus only one who was missing was Naniwa im sorry to tell you that You forgot the other foreigners like Idra and huk, who are better than basically every other foreigner that was at asus rog. so who's the best foreigner for you, may I ask? There isn't one right now. Every top foreigner has their moments of brilliance and moments of just getting owned, so far no foreigner has consistently done well enough vs other foreigners or koreans to be considered "top foreigner" And to other guy, no major is nowhere near the list of top foreigners. Also you forgot to add huk, idra, select, thorzain, ret, select. And I will say Idra is definitely better than stephano. Idra just has too many fanboys and anti-fanboys that makes it hard to take anything about him serious at times. dude c'mon, thats downhype against stephano... In the last year stephano was the most consistent foreigner. Period. If that doesn't convince you, check his KR Ladder status where he reached Top 30. Easily. In like 1/2 weeks. Idra? are you serious? With HuK yes I may agree that HuK has a shot, but he's been in KR for ages-- | ||
hunts
United States2113 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:25 Benjamin80 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 02:22 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:19 HyDrA_solic wrote: On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:08 XRaDiiX wrote: On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Really trying to take away his from his ladderun? winning above 90% on NA,EU is actually pretty damn good. Stephano has proven in Tournaments he is easily a Code S level player. Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. and to All the best foreigner players was in Asus only one who was missing was Naniwa im sorry to tell you that You forgot the other foreigners like Idra and huk, who are better than basically every other foreigner that was at asus rog. so who's the best foreigner for you, may I ask? There isn't one right now. Every top foreigner has their moments of brilliance and moments of just getting owned, so far no foreigner has consistently done well enough vs other foreigners or koreans to be considered "top foreigner" haha so what do you have todo to be consistently doing well? I really want to know becuase if it isnt enough what Stephano has done the last 6months then im not sure. The kid wins allmost everything Again, he wins in the underdog tournaments. If he can win an MLG with actual good koreans there, or if he can even qualify for code A in GSL, or win any tournaments with more than just a couple koreans in it, then he can be considered a top foreigner. | ||
Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:13 Thurken wrote: You should stop make threads like that... The last one was enough. ? can we please be able to enjoy a great ladder run from a great player? I don't see why he should stoping making threads like this oO | ||
Kira__
Sweden2672 Posts
On March 08 2012 01:57 The_Darkness wrote: 4. Stephano is getting these results because of the skill cap on MMR. False and idiotic. There are only a handful of players with MMRs comparable to Stephano; unless they happen to be searching for a game at the time Stephano plays, they obviously will not be matched with him and so by necessity he ends up playing some masters level players and lower ranked GMs. The same thing would happen if they removed the skill cap. Explain to me how a scrubby masters player as myself can get matched against White-Ra, HuK and other top10 GM players if not for the mmr cap? I should never be allowed to play these guys, it's a free win for them 99% of the time. I never played these kind of people before the mmr cap. | ||
HyDrA_solic
Portugal491 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:27 hunts wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 02:25 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:22 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:19 HyDrA_solic wrote: On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:08 XRaDiiX wrote: [quote] Really trying to take away his from his ladderun? winning above 90% on NA,EU is actually pretty damn good. Stephano has proven in Tournaments he is easily a Code S level player. Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. and to All the best foreigner players was in Asus only one who was missing was Naniwa im sorry to tell you that You forgot the other foreigners like Idra and huk, who are better than basically every other foreigner that was at asus rog. so who's the best foreigner for you, may I ask? There isn't one right now. Every top foreigner has their moments of brilliance and moments of just getting owned, so far no foreigner has consistently done well enough vs other foreigners or koreans to be considered "top foreigner" haha so what do you have todo to be consistently doing well? I really want to know becuase if it isnt enough what Stephano has done the last 6months then im not sure. The kid wins allmost everything Again, he wins in the underdog tournaments. If he can win an MLG with actual good koreans there, or if he can even qualify for code A in GSL, or win any tournaments with more than just a couple koreans in it, then he can be considered a top foreigner. oh and Idra does that? He gets a Code S seed, and goes straigth into Code B! Lulz.. | ||
chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:27 hunts wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 02:25 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:22 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:19 HyDrA_solic wrote: On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:08 XRaDiiX wrote: [quote] Really trying to take away his from his ladderun? winning above 90% on NA,EU is actually pretty damn good. Stephano has proven in Tournaments he is easily a Code S level player. Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. and to All the best foreigner players was in Asus only one who was missing was Naniwa im sorry to tell you that You forgot the other foreigners like Idra and huk, who are better than basically every other foreigner that was at asus rog. so who's the best foreigner for you, may I ask? There isn't one right now. Every top foreigner has their moments of brilliance and moments of just getting owned, so far no foreigner has consistently done well enough vs other foreigners or koreans to be considered "top foreigner" haha so what do you have todo to be consistently doing well? I really want to know becuase if it isnt enough what Stephano has done the last 6months then im not sure. The kid wins allmost everything Again, he wins in the underdog tournaments. If he can win an MLG with actual good koreans there, or if he can even qualify for code A in GSL, or win any tournaments with more than just a couple koreans in it, then he can be considered a top foreigner. Lol that's just wrong. No foreigner was even close to winning an MLG since columbus last year except for Huk who had an extremely easy and lucky path with a bunch of PvP...No foreigner was able to qualify for code A... So you're basically saying that there's no such a thing as "top foreigner"? | ||
chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:29 Kznn wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 02:13 Thurken wrote: You should stop make threads like that... The last one was enough. ? can we please be able to enjoy a great ladder run from a great player? I don't see why he should stoping making threads like this oO Because once again such thread made some of the fanboys believe stephano's just like flash. | ||
revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:27 hunts wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 02:25 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:22 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:19 HyDrA_solic wrote: On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:08 XRaDiiX wrote: [quote] Really trying to take away his from his ladderun? winning above 90% on NA,EU is actually pretty damn good. Stephano has proven in Tournaments he is easily a Code S level player. Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. and to All the best foreigner players was in Asus only one who was missing was Naniwa im sorry to tell you that You forgot the other foreigners like Idra and huk, who are better than basically every other foreigner that was at asus rog. so who's the best foreigner for you, may I ask? There isn't one right now. Every top foreigner has their moments of brilliance and moments of just getting owned, so far no foreigner has consistently done well enough vs other foreigners or koreans to be considered "top foreigner" haha so what do you have todo to be consistently doing well? I really want to know becuase if it isnt enough what Stephano has done the last 6months then im not sure. The kid wins allmost everything Again, he wins in the underdog tournaments. If he can win an MLG with actual good koreans there, or if he can even qualify for code A in GSL, or win any tournaments with more than just a couple koreans in it, then he can be considered a top foreigner. Ret just gave an interview this week in which he said that Stephano was the best in Europe - ie better than himself. Is he talking nonsense too? Surely Ret is well-placed to make such a judgement call. Maybe you should contact the writers of that Interview and tell them Ret does not know what he is talking about. How come JP did not invite you on State of the Game, to tell Nestea he was full of nonsense, when Nestea stated straight out that the best Foreigner was Stephano? Must have been an oversight on JP's part. Also somewhat strange that JP, Catz, InControl and NoNy did not even challenge or react with surprise at Nestea's statement about Stephano. No doubt you would have told them the truth about how things actually are! LOL JP you need to get this Hunts fellow on State of the Game instead of know-nothings like Nestea! LOL | ||
HyDrA_solic
Portugal491 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:34 revel8 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 02:27 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:25 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:22 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:19 HyDrA_solic wrote: On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote: [quote] Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. and to All the best foreigner players was in Asus only one who was missing was Naniwa im sorry to tell you that You forgot the other foreigners like Idra and huk, who are better than basically every other foreigner that was at asus rog. so who's the best foreigner for you, may I ask? There isn't one right now. Every top foreigner has their moments of brilliance and moments of just getting owned, so far no foreigner has consistently done well enough vs other foreigners or koreans to be considered "top foreigner" haha so what do you have todo to be consistently doing well? I really want to know becuase if it isnt enough what Stephano has done the last 6months then im not sure. The kid wins allmost everything Again, he wins in the underdog tournaments. If he can win an MLG with actual good koreans there, or if he can even qualify for code A in GSL, or win any tournaments with more than just a couple koreans in it, then he can be considered a top foreigner. Ret just gave an interview this week in which he said that Stephano was the best in Europe - ie better than himself. Is he talking nonsense too? Surely Ret is well-placed to make such a judgement call. Maybe you should contact the writers of that Interview and tell them Ret does not know what he is talking about. How come JP did not invite you on State of the Game, to tell Nestea he was full of nonsense, when Nestea stated straight out that the best Foreigner was Stephano? Must have been an oversight on JP's part. Also somewhat strange that JP, Catz, InControl and NoNy did not even challenge or react with surprise at Nestea's statement about Stephano. No doubt you would have told them the truth about how things actually are! LOL JP you need to get this Hunts fellow on State of the Game instead of know-nothings like Nestea! LOL show me that please :D i missed that SOTG | ||
zefreak
United States2731 Posts
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:36 HyDrA_solic wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 02:34 revel8 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:27 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:25 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:22 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:19 HyDrA_solic wrote: On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote: [quote] Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. and to All the best foreigner players was in Asus only one who was missing was Naniwa im sorry to tell you that You forgot the other foreigners like Idra and huk, who are better than basically every other foreigner that was at asus rog. so who's the best foreigner for you, may I ask? There isn't one right now. Every top foreigner has their moments of brilliance and moments of just getting owned, so far no foreigner has consistently done well enough vs other foreigners or koreans to be considered "top foreigner" haha so what do you have todo to be consistently doing well? I really want to know becuase if it isnt enough what Stephano has done the last 6months then im not sure. The kid wins allmost everything Again, he wins in the underdog tournaments. If he can win an MLG with actual good koreans there, or if he can even qualify for code A in GSL, or win any tournaments with more than just a couple koreans in it, then he can be considered a top foreigner. Ret just gave an interview this week in which he said that Stephano was the best in Europe - ie better than himself. Is he talking nonsense too? Surely Ret is well-placed to make such a judgement call. Maybe you should contact the writers of that Interview and tell them Ret does not know what he is talking about. How come JP did not invite you on State of the Game, to tell Nestea he was full of nonsense, when Nestea stated straight out that the best Foreigner was Stephano? Must have been an oversight on JP's part. Also somewhat strange that JP, Catz, InControl and NoNy did not even challenge or react with surprise at Nestea's statement about Stephano. No doubt you would have told them the truth about how things actually are! LOL JP you need to get this Hunts fellow on State of the Game instead of know-nothings like Nestea! LOL show me that please :D i missed that SOTG It's on JP's youtube channel, episode 64. The part about Stephano is 1hr 35 minutes mark. Nestea was interviewed and Hwanni was translating. http://www.youtube.com/itmeJP | ||
zefreak
United States2731 Posts
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BlueBoxSC
United States582 Posts
Now I look up to the "I am le tired". Granted, Stephano is amazing, and he deserves every accolade he gets. I just wish other NA Zergs would catch up. | ||
Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:46 BlueBoxSC wrote: Man, I almost hate to see Stephano outperforming IdrA in every regard like this. It's just depressing, not because I wish the worse for Stephano, but because IdrA was the guy who 'got' me into SC2 competitive scene, and I loved watching him, thinking, this is why I play Zerg. Now I look up to the "I am le tired". Granted, Stephano is amazing, and he deserves every accolade he gets. I just wish other NA Zergs would catch up. Sheth was on a Day[9] Daily a few weeks back talking about how he has been watching Stephano streaming, and how he has tried to adopt/copy/steal Stephano's tactics against Protoss which are very potent. Will be interesting to see how Sheth does against Protoss moving forward. Isn't the whole essense of the 'metagame' adapt or die? | ||
Phenrock
United Kingdom132 Posts
The arguments here about being top foreigner will last till eternity, much like best football players, boxing, etc. it’s part of the sporting fandom. It’s interesting how some people are quite stubborn though and you’ll just go round in circles. | ||
DarkPlasmaBall
United States42213 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:39 zefreak wrote: While I think these ladder stats are irrelevant and Stephano's diehard fanboys are annoying, he is definitely the top foreign zerg, and makes a strong case for overall best foreigner. I think this sums up my feelings as well (and should generalize to any diehard fanboys, although Stephano's fans are about as vocal as they come- especially when it comes to making multiple new threads about random things). Stephano is having an awesome ladder run. Very cool. He is very good. Hopefully he'll do well in his next tournament, which is a hundred times more important. Good luck to him in the future! | ||
MXfive
United Kingdom19 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:37 Tump wrote: Talented former Warcraft 3 player with lots of dedication and skill and time to practice. His practice methods work, foreigners should use him as an example to improve. Also, EU>NA not necessarily true, especially at the very top level that Stephano plays at. Many Koreans fill the high GM League on NA. So once you get to that level (where Stephano plays at) than NA is probably harder. Obviously below that is much more European favored. This has to be a troll post, there are only a small number of koreans that ladder on NA, and they are almost all not top tier players. | ||
BronzeKnee
United States5208 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Well said. I want to see how Stephano does on KR. And with a 224-19 record, I'm pretty sure that the is real MVP. | ||
The_Darkness
United States910 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:27 hunts wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 02:25 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:22 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:19 HyDrA_solic wrote: On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:08 XRaDiiX wrote: [quote] Really trying to take away his from his ladderun? winning above 90% on NA,EU is actually pretty damn good. Stephano has proven in Tournaments he is easily a Code S level player. Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. and to All the best foreigner players was in Asus only one who was missing was Naniwa im sorry to tell you that You forgot the other foreigners like Idra and huk, who are better than basically every other foreigner that was at asus rog. so who's the best foreigner for you, may I ask? There isn't one right now. Every top foreigner has their moments of brilliance and moments of just getting owned, so far no foreigner has consistently done well enough vs other foreigners or koreans to be considered "top foreigner" haha so what do you have todo to be consistently doing well? I really want to know becuase if it isnt enough what Stephano has done the last 6months then im not sure. The kid wins allmost everything Again, he wins in the underdog tournaments. If he can win an MLG with actual good koreans there, or if he can even qualify for code A in GSL, or win any tournaments with more than just a couple koreans in it, then he can be considered a top foreigner. IPL 3 had MMA, MKP and a slew of other top Koreans. It is a "grand slam" event for the Starcraft (with far more money at stake than MLGs had at the time) and he won it. Try again, or better yet don't. (I will say that you're doing a good job trolling the forum.) | ||
The_Darkness
United States910 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:29 Kira__ wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 01:57 The_Darkness wrote: 4. Stephano is getting these results because of the skill cap on MMR. False and idiotic. There are only a handful of players with MMRs comparable to Stephano; unless they happen to be searching for a game at the time Stephano plays, they obviously will not be matched with him and so by necessity he ends up playing some masters level players and lower ranked GMs. The same thing would happen if they removed the skill cap. Explain to me how a scrubby masters player as myself can get matched against White-Ra, HuK and other top10 GM players if not for the mmr cap? I should never be allowed to play these guys, it's a free win for them 99% of the time. I never played these kind of people before the mmr cap. I already did. If Stephano was matched only against people with similar MMRs he'd be queueing 1/2 an hour per match. That's why he played you and that's why removing the skill cap doesn't matter. | ||
hunts
United States2113 Posts
On March 08 2012 03:15 The_Darkness wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 02:27 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:25 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:22 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:19 HyDrA_solic wrote: On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote: [quote] Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. and to All the best foreigner players was in Asus only one who was missing was Naniwa im sorry to tell you that You forgot the other foreigners like Idra and huk, who are better than basically every other foreigner that was at asus rog. so who's the best foreigner for you, may I ask? There isn't one right now. Every top foreigner has their moments of brilliance and moments of just getting owned, so far no foreigner has consistently done well enough vs other foreigners or koreans to be considered "top foreigner" haha so what do you have todo to be consistently doing well? I really want to know becuase if it isnt enough what Stephano has done the last 6months then im not sure. The kid wins allmost everything Again, he wins in the underdog tournaments. If he can win an MLG with actual good koreans there, or if he can even qualify for code A in GSL, or win any tournaments with more than just a couple koreans in it, then he can be considered a top foreigner. IPL 3 had MMA, MKP and a slew of other top Koreans. It is a "grand slam" event for the Starcraft (with far more money at stake than MLGs had at the time) and he won it. Try again, or better yet don't. (I will say that you're doing a good job trolling the forum.) People these days really have no clue what the word troll even means. Just because you disagree with someone does not automatically make them a troll, try and understand that will you? And grats, he was in 1 tournament with 2 top koreans. He has still never done well in an MLG which has far more than just 2 top koreans almost every time. | ||
Mr Showtime
United States1353 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. It's not. | ||
Testuser
6469 Posts
On March 08 2012 03:09 BronzeKnee wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Well said. I want to see how Stephano does on KR. And with a 224-19 record, I'm pretty sure that the is real MVP. No it isn't. I could go into the arguments of that account being bronze last season, the bonus pool, etc. etc., but I'll just say the most obvious shit: Do you honestly think MVP would waste 250 games on the eu server? | ||
Mystgun
Hong Kong311 Posts
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The_Darkness
United States910 Posts
On March 08 2012 03:18 hunts wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 03:15 The_Darkness wrote: On March 08 2012 02:27 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:25 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:22 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:19 HyDrA_solic wrote: On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote: [quote] Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. and to All the best foreigner players was in Asus only one who was missing was Naniwa im sorry to tell you that You forgot the other foreigners like Idra and huk, who are better than basically every other foreigner that was at asus rog. so who's the best foreigner for you, may I ask? There isn't one right now. Every top foreigner has their moments of brilliance and moments of just getting owned, so far no foreigner has consistently done well enough vs other foreigners or koreans to be considered "top foreigner" haha so what do you have todo to be consistently doing well? I really want to know becuase if it isnt enough what Stephano has done the last 6months then im not sure. The kid wins allmost everything Again, he wins in the underdog tournaments. If he can win an MLG with actual good koreans there, or if he can even qualify for code A in GSL, or win any tournaments with more than just a couple koreans in it, then he can be considered a top foreigner. IPL 3 had MMA, MKP and a slew of other top Koreans. It is a "grand slam" event for the Starcraft (with far more money at stake than MLGs had at the time) and he won it. Try again, or better yet don't. (I will say that you're doing a good job trolling the forum.) People these days really have no clue what the word troll even means. Just because you disagree with someone does not automatically make them a troll, try and understand that will you? And grats, he was in 1 tournament with 2 top koreans. He has still never done well in an MLG which has far more than just 2 top koreans almost every time. You are a troll (or a someone with a learning disability) because you're expressing an opinion that factual evidence directly contradicts and you neither recognize the apparent contradiction nor make a serious attempt to explain away the inconsistency. Stephano also won ESWC which included MKP and MC, each top 5 in their respective races. Stephano's won 90K and had, for the first time ever, the highest international Elo of all players (including Koreans); etc. If you're not a troll, seriously debate the issue. | ||
KicKDoG
Sweden765 Posts
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Xcobidoo
Sweden1871 Posts
He is undoubtedly the best foreigner though so not surprised he is dominating this hard. | ||
zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On March 08 2012 03:25 Mystgun wrote: I have always believed that dominating ladder performance highlights a player's mechanical skills. Stephano is an extremely polished players and his builds are like clockwork which is always fun to see. Tournaments require a lot more preparation and analysis on your enemy to craft a winning strategy. SlayerS as a team is quite good at doing this and MMA executes these strategies pretty well! Disagree, do you think MMA prepares builds for things like MLG and IEM? The GSL format is the only tournament where preparation is an absolute necessity. His MLG runs show that he is as good against randoms with no preparation as he is with the full force of his team behind him. | ||
Shellshock
United States97248 Posts
On March 08 2012 03:15 The_Darkness wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 02:27 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:25 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:22 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:19 HyDrA_solic wrote: On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote: [quote] Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. and to All the best foreigner players was in Asus only one who was missing was Naniwa im sorry to tell you that You forgot the other foreigners like Idra and huk, who are better than basically every other foreigner that was at asus rog. so who's the best foreigner for you, may I ask? There isn't one right now. Every top foreigner has their moments of brilliance and moments of just getting owned, so far no foreigner has consistently done well enough vs other foreigners or koreans to be considered "top foreigner" haha so what do you have todo to be consistently doing well? I really want to know becuase if it isnt enough what Stephano has done the last 6months then im not sure. The kid wins allmost everything Again, he wins in the underdog tournaments. If he can win an MLG with actual good koreans there, or if he can even qualify for code A in GSL, or win any tournaments with more than just a couple koreans in it, then he can be considered a top foreigner. IPL 3 had MMA, MKP and a slew of other top Koreans. It is a "grand slam" event for the Starcraft (with far more money at stake than MLGs had at the time) and he won it. Try again, or better yet don't. (I will say that you're doing a good job trolling the forum.) MKP wasn't at IPL3 but it was still an impressive tourney win with several top names. Stephano is a great player. I'm not the biggest fan but a 90% win rate on EU is still impressive | ||
vVv Gaming
United States20 Posts
On March 07 2012 21:05 shadymmj wrote: with an unbelievable 97.83% winrate and a record of 45-1, http://sc2ranks.com/sea/253896/TiGerSPR is the best GM player ever. inb4 Sea Server User was warned for this post | ||
Kira__
Sweden2672 Posts
On March 08 2012 03:17 The_Darkness wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 02:29 Kira__ wrote: On March 08 2012 01:57 The_Darkness wrote: 4. Stephano is getting these results because of the skill cap on MMR. False and idiotic. There are only a handful of players with MMRs comparable to Stephano; unless they happen to be searching for a game at the time Stephano plays, they obviously will not be matched with him and so by necessity he ends up playing some masters level players and lower ranked GMs. The same thing would happen if they removed the skill cap. Explain to me how a scrubby masters player as myself can get matched against White-Ra, HuK and other top10 GM players if not for the mmr cap? I should never be allowed to play these guys, it's a free win for them 99% of the time. I never played these kind of people before the mmr cap. I already did. If Stephano was matched only against people with similar MMRs he'd be queueing 1/2 an hour per match. That's why he played you and that's why removing the skill cap doesn't matter. But he IS getting these reults because of the mmr cap. I'd have a 90%+ winrate as well if more than half of my games were against platinum players, which is essentially whats happening here. | ||
antilyon
Brazil2546 Posts
On March 08 2012 03:17 The_Darkness wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 02:29 Kira__ wrote: On March 08 2012 01:57 The_Darkness wrote: 4. Stephano is getting these results because of the skill cap on MMR. False and idiotic. There are only a handful of players with MMRs comparable to Stephano; unless they happen to be searching for a game at the time Stephano plays, they obviously will not be matched with him and so by necessity he ends up playing some masters level players and lower ranked GMs. The same thing would happen if they removed the skill cap. Explain to me how a scrubby masters player as myself can get matched against White-Ra, HuK and other top10 GM players if not for the mmr cap? I should never be allowed to play these guys, it's a free win for them 99% of the time. I never played these kind of people before the mmr cap. I already did. If Stephano was matched only against people with similar MMRs he'd be queueing 1/2 an hour per match. That's why he played you and that's why removing the skill cap doesn't matter. but the MMR cap does make his ladder run easier don't? | ||
Corsica
Ukraine1854 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:37 Tump wrote: Talented former Warcraft 3 player with lots of dedication and skill and time to practice. His practice methods work, foreigners should use him as an example to improve. Also, EU>NA not necessarily true, especially at the very top level that Stephano plays at. Many Koreans fill the high GM League on NA. So once you get to that level (where Stephano plays at) than NA is probably harder. Obviously below that is much more European favored. lol you think koreans dont play in EU? On NA Koreans only troll local people xDDDD | ||
chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
On March 08 2012 03:47 Corsica wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2012 18:37 Tump wrote: Talented former Warcraft 3 player with lots of dedication and skill and time to practice. His practice methods work, foreigners should use him as an example to improve. Also, EU>NA not necessarily true, especially at the very top level that Stephano plays at. Many Koreans fill the high GM League on NA. So once you get to that level (where Stephano plays at) than NA is probably harder. Obviously below that is much more European favored. lol you think koreans dont play in EU? On NA Koreans only troll local people xDDDD The Kr-Eu lag is formidable. | ||
Mohdoo
United States15082 Posts
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
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stickyhands
187 Posts
On March 08 2012 03:09 BronzeKnee wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Well said. I want to see how Stephano does on KR. And with a 224-19 record, I'm pretty sure that the is real MVP. nope its not mvp, its a mongrel who is master and by the end of the last season demoted himself deep deep down the bronze league | ||
HelloSon
United States456 Posts
On March 08 2012 03:09 BronzeKnee wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Well said. I want to see how Stephano does on KR. And with a 224-19 record, I'm pretty sure that the is real MVP. can't believe ppl still believe that was MVP. | ||
InoyouS2
1005 Posts
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clwzim
Brazil65 Posts
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Dawg_Snow
France425 Posts
On March 08 2012 03:50 Mohdoo wrote: When you're better than every single other person on the server by the margin that Stephano is, not too surprising. I really wish he'd man up and stay in Korea longer. He's completely outgrown the EU server. It's not a question of manhood, it's a question of common sense.. You guys love to brin the "man up" sentence everywhere you can. | ||
Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
Having said that, the ladder results do mean something, especially the ratio. Getting Rank 1 GM on Ladder with 60% win rate is one thing, getting Rank 1 GM on Ladder with 90% win rate another. The kind of people who get 80-90% win rates against their regional peers are either hackers or the top players of that region. Look at Stephano's peers in win ratio on the other servers. They're the top players of their regions. They aren't the only top players of their regions, because not every top player ladders, but they're top players nonetheless. It doesn't mean he's going to win tournaments, but it means that he has the potential to win tournaments. But really, we're way past that stage with Stephano. He wins tournaments. Stephano is the most hyped up EU player since Kas, and he deserves the hype. | ||
dsousa
United States1363 Posts
Stephano is the best viewing experience since Seinfeld went off TV. He could be the best player in the world..... I guess that scares people who are in BW/KR community, because he's so different. What would it mean to the KR scene if a French WC3 player became the Bonjwa..... it hasn't happened yet... but if you've seen Stephano play enough, you know that he has that potential in him. Certainly more than any other foreign player in Starcraft history. | ||
Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On March 08 2012 04:09 dsousa wrote: He is the most amazing player in SC2.... he plays the best music on his stream..... and as a zerg fan he is pure win. Stephano is the best viewing experience since Seinfeld went off TV. He could be the best player in the world..... I guess that scares people who are in BW/KR community, because he's so different. What would it mean to the KR scene if a French WC3 player became the Bonjwa..... it hasn't happened yet... but if you've seen Stephano play enough, you know that he has that potential in him. Certainly more than any other foreign player in Starcraft history. Guillaume would like to have a word with you. It's not unheard of, it's just not likely. | ||
1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On March 08 2012 04:09 dsousa wrote: He is the most amazing player in SC2.... he plays the best music on his stream..... and as a zerg fan he is pure win. Stephano is the best viewing experience since Seinfeld went off TV. He could be the best player in the world..... I guess that scares people who are in BW/KR community, because he's so different. What would it mean to the KR scene if a French WC3 player became the Bonjwa..... it hasn't happened yet... but if you've seen Stephano play enough, you know that he has that potential in him. Certainly more than any other foreign player in Starcraft history. If he could be he would be. He isn't. Why isn't this thread in his fan club? Or at least in the other thread of the exact same nature? | ||
Mohdoo
United States15082 Posts
On March 08 2012 03:56 Dawg_Snow wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 03:50 Mohdoo wrote: When you're better than every single other person on the server by the margin that Stephano is, not too surprising. I really wish he'd man up and stay in Korea longer. He's completely outgrown the EU server. It's not a question of manhood, it's a question of common sense.. You guys love to brin the "man up" sentence everywhere you can. All the Europeans practicing in Korea could be making significantly more money by training in Europe and entering every tournament out there like Stephano does. But they aspire for a higher level of competition. It also just so happens that this is extra entertaining, as I get to see foreigners against Koreans. I simply wish Stephano would do the same =) | ||
Antithesis
Germany956 Posts
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On March 08 2012 04:12 Kazeyonoma wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 04:09 dsousa wrote: He is the most amazing player in SC2.... he plays the best music on his stream..... and as a zerg fan he is pure win. Stephano is the best viewing experience since Seinfeld went off TV. He could be the best player in the world..... I guess that scares people who are in BW/KR community, because he's so different. What would it mean to the KR scene if a French WC3 player became the Bonjwa..... it hasn't happened yet... but if you've seen Stephano play enough, you know that he has that potential in him. Certainly more than any other foreign player in Starcraft history. Guillaume would like to have a word with you. It's not unheard of, it's just not likely. Grrr was before there really was a scene..... he's like pre-history..... but if he counts, great....FOREIGNERS FIGHTING! :D | ||
dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On March 08 2012 04:16 1Eris1 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 04:09 dsousa wrote: He is the most amazing player in SC2.... he plays the best music on his stream..... and as a zerg fan he is pure win. Stephano is the best viewing experience since Seinfeld went off TV. He could be the best player in the world..... I guess that scares people who are in BW/KR community, because he's so different. What would it mean to the KR scene if a French WC3 player became the Bonjwa..... it hasn't happened yet... but if you've seen Stephano play enough, you know that he has that potential in him. Certainly more than any other foreign player in Starcraft history. If he could be he would be. He isn't. Why isn't this thread in his fan club? Or at least in the other thread of the exact same nature? If it could be in a different thread, it would be. It isn't! :D | ||
Polygamy
Austria1114 Posts
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
On March 08 2012 03:33 zefreak wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 03:25 Mystgun wrote: I have always believed that dominating ladder performance highlights a player's mechanical skills. Stephano is an extremely polished players and his builds are like clockwork which is always fun to see. Tournaments require a lot more preparation and analysis on your enemy to craft a winning strategy. SlayerS as a team is quite good at doing this and MMA executes these strategies pretty well! Disagree, do you think MMA prepares builds for things like MLG and IEM? The GSL format is the only tournament where preparation is an absolute necessity. His MLG runs show that he is as good against randoms with no preparation as he is with the full force of his team behind him. He most certainly does. MMA spent the last week (at least) watching foreigner replays, because he expected IEM to be difficult and is relatively inexperienced vs non-koreans. Fortunately for him he crushed through group stages and it is very unlikely that he'll have to play against a non-korean again in the tourney. | ||
Zeon0
Austria2995 Posts
but hey, he is the best foreigner, by a large margin ... | ||
Zealot Orgy
United Kingdom537 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Stephano got ranked 7th in Korea with a 72% winrate and was the highest ranked Zerg on the KR GM server. So yeah...Him beating easily the EU ladder shouldn't be surprising. | ||
Mohdoo
United States15082 Posts
On March 08 2012 04:26 Zeon0 wrote: no GSL, no bonjwa but hey, he is the best foreigner, by a large margin ... Yup, pretty much. This is why I wish Stephano would man up and go to Korea. I feel there is a chance he's capable of doing great things. But the fact is, contrary to what I'm sure he'd like to believe, its not a guarantee he'd be winning GSLs all over the place. He might be capable and I'd love to watch him work towards it. | ||
Mvrio
689 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:43 USvBleakill wrote: Losing a monobattle... he should really quit sc2 with such bad results. that's what I'm saying, damn disgrace | ||
SniXSniPe
United States1938 Posts
1 FoxeR 511 127 Now that's more impressive IMO. 80%+ win-rate with 638 games, on the hardest server. | ||
The_Darkness
United States910 Posts
On March 08 2012 03:33 Shellshock1122 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 03:15 The_Darkness wrote: On March 08 2012 02:27 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:25 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:22 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:19 HyDrA_solic wrote: On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote: [quote] Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. and to All the best foreigner players was in Asus only one who was missing was Naniwa im sorry to tell you that You forgot the other foreigners like Idra and huk, who are better than basically every other foreigner that was at asus rog. so who's the best foreigner for you, may I ask? There isn't one right now. Every top foreigner has their moments of brilliance and moments of just getting owned, so far no foreigner has consistently done well enough vs other foreigners or koreans to be considered "top foreigner" haha so what do you have todo to be consistently doing well? I really want to know becuase if it isnt enough what Stephano has done the last 6months then im not sure. The kid wins allmost everything Again, he wins in the underdog tournaments. If he can win an MLG with actual good koreans there, or if he can even qualify for code A in GSL, or win any tournaments with more than just a couple koreans in it, then he can be considered a top foreigner. MKP lost in the qualifiers to Stephano -- he tried out and failed to make it, which speaks to the level of competition, but point taken. IPL 3 had MMA, MKP and a slew of other top Koreans. It is a "grand slam" event for the Starcraft (with far more money at stake than MLGs had at the time) and he won it. Try again, or better yet don't. (I will say that you're doing a good job trolling the forum.) MKP wasn't at IPL3 but it was still an impressive tourney win with several top names. Stephano is a great player. I'm not the biggest fan but a 90% win rate on EU is still impressive MKP lost in the qualifier to Stephano at IPL 3 (and didn't qualify), but point taken. | ||
Poopi
France12468 Posts
On March 08 2012 04:50 SniXSniPe wrote: MKP was 1st last season in Korea GM with a record of: 1 FoxeR 511 127 Now that's more impressive IMO. 80%+ win-rate with 638 games, on the hardest server. MarineKing has always been the best ladder player ever when he wanted to be 1st of the ladder, nothing new ^^ Some seasons ago he had 3 accounts in the top 5 GM at the end of the season | ||
striderxxx
Canada443 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States42213 Posts
On March 08 2012 04:09 dsousa wrote: He is the most amazing player in SC2.... he plays the best music on his stream..... and as a zerg fan he is pure win. Stephano is the best viewing experience since Seinfeld went off TV. He could be the best player in the world..... I guess that scares people who are in BW/KR community, because he's so different. What would it mean to the KR scene if a French WC3 player became the Bonjwa..... it hasn't happened yet... but if you've seen Stephano play enough, you know that he has that potential in him. Certainly more than any other foreign player in Starcraft history. It's comments like these that actually make me appreciate Stephano less. And it's not even his fault. It's the fault of his overzealous fanbase overhyping him. Really, he's the most amazing SC2 player whos going to be the SC2 bonjwa and even plays the best music (personal preference) on his stream? That makes me roll my eyes so far back into my head that they might just get stuck. Why can't you just post your love for him on his fan club thread? Why do these comments appear everywhere? They're just so... unjustified. They're opinions, not facts. He's fucking good. He's great. Best Zerg foreigner at the moment. Possibly the best foreigner period. But please stop drooling and take note that although he's performed very well in many foreign tournaments, ladder records =/= GSL trophies (let alone a long period of godly reign over anyone else). By the way, potential doesn't count for shit unless it's actually recognized and honed properly. | ||
Zealot Orgy
United Kingdom537 Posts
On March 08 2012 04:53 striderxxx wrote: i agree, it's not that impressive. KR ladder > EU+NA ladder combined He's already been the highest ranked Zerg on KR GM for a month, were where you in Dec/Jan? On March 08 2012 04:50 SniXSniPe wrote: MKP was 1st last season in Korea GM with a record of: 1 FoxeR 511 127 Now that's more impressive IMO. 80%+ win-rate with 638 games, on the hardest server. Nah it wasn't, 80%+ winrate thanks to bunker rushes / 1 base marines allin 90% of the times it's nothing impressive | ||
tuho12345
4482 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:02 Zealot Orgy wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 04:53 striderxxx wrote: i agree, it's not that impressive. KR ladder > EU+NA ladder combined He's already been the highest ranked Zerg on KR GM for a month, were where you in Dec/Jan? Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 04:50 SniXSniPe wrote: MKP was 1st last season in Korea GM with a record of: 1 FoxeR 511 127 Now that's more impressive IMO. 80%+ win-rate with 638 games, on the hardest server. Nah it wasn't, 80%+ winrate thanks to bunker rushes / 1 base marines allin 90% of the times it's nothing impressive really? Stephano has that high winrate in Korea? I saw a couple Korean streamers beat him pretty easily. | ||
seoul_kiM
United States545 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:02 Zealot Orgy wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 04:53 striderxxx wrote: i agree, it's not that impressive. KR ladder > EU+NA ladder combined He's already been the highest ranked Zerg on KR GM for a month, were where you in Dec/Jan? Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 04:50 SniXSniPe wrote: MKP was 1st last season in Korea GM with a record of: 1 FoxeR 511 127 Now that's more impressive IMO. 80%+ win-rate with 638 games, on the hardest server. Nah it wasn't, 80%+ winrate thanks to bunker rushes / 1 base marines allin 90% of the times it's nothing impressive Do maybe 10% of what MKP has done on the Korean Ladder and then talk about impressive. Stupid when people talk down other people's achievements because they think it wasn't done the way they wanted. Idiot. | ||
Tortious_Tortoise
United States944 Posts
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On March 08 2012 04:54 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 04:09 dsousa wrote: He is the most amazing player in SC2.... he plays the best music on his stream..... and as a zerg fan he is pure win. Stephano is the best viewing experience since Seinfeld went off TV. He could be the best player in the world..... I guess that scares people who are in BW/KR community, because he's so different. What would it mean to the KR scene if a French WC3 player became the Bonjwa..... it hasn't happened yet... but if you've seen Stephano play enough, you know that he has that potential in him. Certainly more than any other foreign player in Starcraft history. It's comments like these that actually make me appreciate Stephano less. And it's not even his fault. It's the fault of his overzealous fanbase overhyping him. Really, he's the most amazing SC2 player whos going to be the SC2 bonjwa and even plays the best music (personal preference) on his stream? That makes me roll my eyes so far back into my head that they might just get stuck. Why can't you just post your love for him on his fan club thread? Why do these comments appear everywhere? They're just so... unjustified. They're opinions, not facts. He's fucking good. He's great. Best Zerg foreigner at the moment. Possibly the best foreigner period. But please stop drooling and take note that although he's performed very well in many foreign tournaments, ladder records =/= GSL trophies (let alone a long period of godly reign over anyone else). By the way, potential doesn't count for shit unless it's actually recognized and honed properly. Sorry man.. that's how I feel, and what I wrote..... People give their opinions on message boards..... that's a fact you're going to have to live with. Be strong. | ||
BlackGosu
Canada1046 Posts
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Rebel_
Canada94 Posts
All i see people bitching and saying " Oh it ain't no Korean ladder, so don't go there girlfriend ". But i bet 90% of these posters on this thread couldn't even do that on EU. So shut up and stop saying that it isn't Korean ladder, no shit we all know how tough that server is. | ||
Filter
Canada620 Posts
On March 08 2012 04:54 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 04:09 dsousa wrote: He is the most amazing player in SC2.... he plays the best music on his stream..... and as a zerg fan he is pure win. Stephano is the best viewing experience since Seinfeld went off TV. He could be the best player in the world..... I guess that scares people who are in BW/KR community, because he's so different. What would it mean to the KR scene if a French WC3 player became the Bonjwa..... it hasn't happened yet... but if you've seen Stephano play enough, you know that he has that potential in him. Certainly more than any other foreign player in Starcraft history. It's comments like these that actually make me appreciate Stephano less. And it's not even his fault. It's the fault of his overzealous fanbase overhyping him. Really, he's the most amazing SC2 player whos going to be the SC2 bonjwa and even plays the best music (personal preference) on his stream? That makes me roll my eyes so far back into my head that they might just get stuck. Why can't you just post your love for him on his fan club thread? Why do these comments appear everywhere? They're just so... unjustified. They're opinions, not facts. He's fucking good. He's great. Best Zerg foreigner at the moment. Possibly the best foreigner period. But please stop drooling and take note that although he's performed very well in many foreign tournaments, ladder records =/= GSL trophies (let alone a long period of godly reign over anyone else). By the way, potential doesn't count for shit unless it's actually recognized and honed properly. To be fair he plays mostly classic rock, it's pretty safe to say it's a lot better than the music on idra's stream that sounds like I'm trying to get a dialup connection. | ||
Arghnews
United Kingdom169 Posts
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:12 Filter wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 04:54 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: On March 08 2012 04:09 dsousa wrote: He is the most amazing player in SC2.... he plays the best music on his stream..... and as a zerg fan he is pure win. Stephano is the best viewing experience since Seinfeld went off TV. He could be the best player in the world..... I guess that scares people who are in BW/KR community, because he's so different. What would it mean to the KR scene if a French WC3 player became the Bonjwa..... it hasn't happened yet... but if you've seen Stephano play enough, you know that he has that potential in him. Certainly more than any other foreign player in Starcraft history. It's comments like these that actually make me appreciate Stephano less. And it's not even his fault. It's the fault of his overzealous fanbase overhyping him. Really, he's the most amazing SC2 player whos going to be the SC2 bonjwa and even plays the best music (personal preference) on his stream? That makes me roll my eyes so far back into my head that they might just get stuck. Why can't you just post your love for him on his fan club thread? Why do these comments appear everywhere? They're just so... unjustified. They're opinions, not facts. He's fucking good. He's great. Best Zerg foreigner at the moment. Possibly the best foreigner period. But please stop drooling and take note that although he's performed very well in many foreign tournaments, ladder records =/= GSL trophies (let alone a long period of godly reign over anyone else). By the way, potential doesn't count for shit unless it's actually recognized and honed properly. To be fair he plays mostly classic rock, it's pretty safe to say it's a lot better than the music on idra's stream that sounds like I'm trying to get a dialup connection. You know music taste is a personal preference right? | ||
speknek
758 Posts
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eazo
United States530 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:12 Filter wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 04:54 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: On March 08 2012 04:09 dsousa wrote: He is the most amazing player in SC2.... he plays the best music on his stream..... and as a zerg fan he is pure win. Stephano is the best viewing experience since Seinfeld went off TV. He could be the best player in the world..... I guess that scares people who are in BW/KR community, because he's so different. What would it mean to the KR scene if a French WC3 player became the Bonjwa..... it hasn't happened yet... but if you've seen Stephano play enough, you know that he has that potential in him. Certainly more than any other foreign player in Starcraft history. It's comments like these that actually make me appreciate Stephano less. And it's not even his fault. It's the fault of his overzealous fanbase overhyping him. Really, he's the most amazing SC2 player whos going to be the SC2 bonjwa and even plays the best music (personal preference) on his stream? That makes me roll my eyes so far back into my head that they might just get stuck. Why can't you just post your love for him on his fan club thread? Why do these comments appear everywhere? They're just so... unjustified. They're opinions, not facts. He's fucking good. He's great. Best Zerg foreigner at the moment. Possibly the best foreigner period. But please stop drooling and take note that although he's performed very well in many foreign tournaments, ladder records =/= GSL trophies (let alone a long period of godly reign over anyone else). By the way, potential doesn't count for shit unless it's actually recognized and honed properly. To be fair he plays mostly classic rock, it's pretty safe to say it's a lot better than the music on idra's stream that sounds like I'm trying to get a dialup connection. this x 100000 I literally leave his stream on sometimes for the music | ||
SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
And I don't see why this is worth a 12 page discussion. He is probably the best foreigner, with only Huk and Naniwa really competing with him at all. | ||
HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
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supdubdup
United States916 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:19 HaXXspetten wrote: well he's just lost 2 in a row now It's okay. Americans bounce back strong. | ||
KiNGxXx
7928 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:19 HaXXspetten wrote: well he's just lost 2 in a row now Yeah, he's in a slump! | ||
Zeon0
Austria2995 Posts
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
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Gonn
Germany19 Posts
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Bippzy
United States1466 Posts
When I play Super smash bros brawl, as Lucas, I have faced all characters and know the utility of my character to such an extent that I quickly adjust to any fight or situation in a dominating fashion. Stephano's play has been praised by day9 because it so much revolves around gas and expansions. The easiest example I can think of is the daily day9 did on stephano on shakuras plateau. Stephano got 3 bases, and then roach ling hydra pressured the toss's third while getting as many expos as possible. As soon as the third is secured by the toss, stephano takes all of his gases, gets to lategame drone saturation and techs. For this reason I imagine me playing super smash bros brawl as lucas is quite similar to stephano playing Starcraft 2 as zerg. | ||
zdfgucker
China594 Posts
Personally, I don't think anybody is the best foreigner until he goes through Code A qualifiers. Otherwise he's not better than a dwarf among midgets. | ||
stickyhands
187 Posts
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lastshadow
United States1372 Posts
He could never in a million years do this on Korea. EDIT - He's still a great player, don't get me wrong, but people are ignoring that this did happen lol. Koreans can dominate 10x harder, and ffs its the EU ladder lol. | ||
Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:28 lastshadow wrote: ... He had 70% on korea for the first week he was there, I was there when Koreans would talk about him in customs etc, after a week they adapted to his style, and then he fell to 53%. His style is a benefit, it is not normal, it is not standard, it is however able to be broken down and dissected by the Koreans, and that is why he fell so hard after only a week on their ladder. He could never in a million years do this on Korea. EDIT - He's still a great player, don't get me wrong, but people are ignoring that this did happen lol. Koreans can dominate 10x harder, and ffs its the EU ladder lol. If he fell off so hard and they figured him out in KR, then how did he manage to beat DRG and Hero in the Blizzard Cup towards the end of his stay? BTW: Stephano is 1-0 in the GSL vs the current champion. That's a fact :D | ||
lastshadow
United States1372 Posts
It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances. | ||
InfusedTT.DaZe
Romania693 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:28 lastshadow wrote: ... He had 70% on korea for the first week he was there, I was there when Koreans would talk about him in customs etc, after a week they adapted to his style, and then he fell to 53%. His style is a benefit, it is not normal, it is not standard, it is however able to be broken down and dissected by the Koreans, and that is why he fell so hard after only a week on their ladder. He could never in a million years do this on Korea. EDIT - He's still a great player, don't get me wrong, but people are ignoring that this did happen lol. Koreans can dominate 10x harder, and ffs its the EU ladder lol. more bashing on the eu ladder, please, kr is a bit better and na is 3 times worse | ||
zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:33 dsousa wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 05:28 lastshadow wrote: ... He had 70% on korea for the first week he was there, I was there when Koreans would talk about him in customs etc, after a week they adapted to his style, and then he fell to 53%. His style is a benefit, it is not normal, it is not standard, it is however able to be broken down and dissected by the Koreans, and that is why he fell so hard after only a week on their ladder. He could never in a million years do this on Korea. EDIT - He's still a great player, don't get me wrong, but people are ignoring that this did happen lol. Koreans can dominate 10x harder, and ffs its the EU ladder lol. If he fell off so hard and they figured him out in KR, then how did he manage to beat DRG and Hero in the Blizzard Cup towards the end of his stay? BTW: Stephano is 1-0 in the GSL vs the current champion. That's a fact :D Lol bo1 is bo1. You didn't even acknowledge his point about Stephano's ladder winrate falling off a cliff after a week. | ||
dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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Capulet
Canada686 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:33 dsousa wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 05:28 lastshadow wrote: ... He had 70% on korea for the first week he was there, I was there when Koreans would talk about him in customs etc, after a week they adapted to his style, and then he fell to 53%. His style is a benefit, it is not normal, it is not standard, it is however able to be broken down and dissected by the Koreans, and that is why he fell so hard after only a week on their ladder. He could never in a million years do this on Korea. EDIT - He's still a great player, don't get me wrong, but people are ignoring that this did happen lol. Koreans can dominate 10x harder, and ffs its the EU ladder lol. If he fell off so hard and they figured him out in KR, then how did he manage to beat DRG and Hero in the Blizzard Cup towards the end of his stay? BTW: Stephano is 1-0 in the GSL vs the current champion. That's a fact :D Because after Bisu 3-0 Savior using the innovative Bisu build, he went on to win every single PvZ he has ever played... ... ... You missed the point. After the Koreans dissected his style, he no longer had the surprise factor. That in no way does it mean he suddenly became a bad player. | ||
dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote: Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you. It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances. It wasn't a best of 3, it was a best of 1..... I guess it counts even less then. I'm glad to see that your SC2 knowledge is imperfect though, I was beginning to doubt Stephano from your fine arguments. Fact is.... he beat the current GSL champion on the GSL stage, if that's meaningless to you then so be it. | ||
Flonomenalz
Nigeria3519 Posts
Just fanboys and anti fans with a few rational people getting lost in between. We already know Stephano is really good, nobody comes relatively close to him in EU at his best, why does his ladder run surprise anyone? | ||
DarkPlasmaBall
United States42213 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:19 SeaSwift wrote: Congrats on your Arbiter icon DarkPlasmaBall! And I don't see why this is worth a 12 page discussion. He is probably the best foreigner, with only Huk and Naniwa really competing with him at all. Thank you I too think that this would warrant- at most- a couple fantastic, congratulatory comments in his fanclub thread, and nothing more. | ||
Flonomenalz
Nigeria3519 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:46 dsousa wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote: Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you. It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances. It wasn't a best of 3, it was a best of 1..... I guess it counts even less then. I'm glad to see that your SC2 knowledge is imperfect though, I was beginning to doubt Stephano from your fine arguments. Fact is.... he beat the current GSL champion on the GSL stage, if that's meaningless to you then so be it. Dude just stop. It was a best of 1. And it was ZvZ. Stop. Man, TL posters actually make me dislike players sometimes, lol. | ||
Elean
689 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:28 lastshadow wrote: ... He had 70% on korea for the first week he was there, I was there when Koreans would talk about him in customs etc, after a week they adapted to his style, and then he fell to 53%. His style is a benefit, it is not normal, it is not standard, it is however able to be broken down and dissected by the Koreans, and that is why he fell so hard after only a week on their ladder. He could never in a million years do this on Korea. EDIT - He's still a great player, don't get me wrong, but people are ignoring that this did happen lol. Koreans can dominate 10x harder, and ffs its the EU ladder lol. Completely wrong. He had 70% during the first week, and he remained at this win rate untill he left korea. | ||
c78331
Greece64 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:28 lastshadow wrote: ... He had 70% on korea for the first week he was there, I was there when Koreans would talk about him in customs etc, after a week they adapted to his style, and then he fell to 53%. His style is a benefit, it is not normal, it is not standard, it is however able to be broken down and dissected by the Koreans, and that is why he fell so hard after only a week on their ladder. He could never in a million years do this on Korea. EDIT - He's still a great player, don't get me wrong, but people are ignoring that this did happen lol. Koreans can dominate 10x harder, and ffs its the EU ladder lol. He never dropped to 53%, the first ladder season he played he had 70%(around 200 games) and the second season when he dropped he had 63%.The fact that he stayed late to stream at better hours might have sth to do with that(bad supply blocks), but whatever talking about ladder doesnt have much value anyway. | ||
Kahlgar
411 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote: Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you. It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances. so Bo3's are meaningless when Stephano wins but when he loses at HSC and MLG, it obivously shows that he isn't consistent enough? yeah makes a lot of sense not sure why you seem so mad nor what is your point since nobody actually pretended that Stephano is better than either hero or drg | ||
The_Darkness
United States910 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:41 zefreak wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 05:33 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 05:28 lastshadow wrote: ... He had 70% on korea for the first week he was there, I was there when Koreans would talk about him in customs etc, after a week they adapted to his style, and then he fell to 53%. His style is a benefit, it is not normal, it is not standard, it is however able to be broken down and dissected by the Koreans, and that is why he fell so hard after only a week on their ladder. He could never in a million years do this on Korea. EDIT - He's still a great player, don't get me wrong, but people are ignoring that this did happen lol. Koreans can dominate 10x harder, and ffs its the EU ladder lol. If he fell off so hard and they figured him out in KR, then how did he manage to beat DRG and Hero in the Blizzard Cup towards the end of his stay? BTW: Stephano is 1-0 in the GSL vs the current champion. That's a fact :D Lol bo1 is bo1. You didn't even acknowledge his point about Stephano's ladder winrate falling off a cliff after a week. It didn't fall off the cliff. When he left he had a ~64% win rate in Season 6. What he says is completely wrong. So there's your response. | ||
dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:49 Flonomenalz wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 05:46 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote: Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you. It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances. It wasn't a best of 3, it was a best of 1..... I guess it counts even less then. I'm glad to see that your SC2 knowledge is imperfect though, I was beginning to doubt Stephano from your fine arguments. Fact is.... he beat the current GSL champion on the GSL stage, if that's meaningless to you then so be it. Dude just stop. It was a best of 1. And it was ZvZ. Stop. Man, TL posters actually make me dislike players sometimes, lol. Good, the bandwagon is full. Its too late for you.... if you let my posts get in the way of recognizing Stephano's supreme talent... then it's your loss. FACT: Stephano has a 100% win rate vs GSL Champion DRG. Source | ||
eviltomahawk
United States11132 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:33 dsousa wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 05:28 lastshadow wrote: ... He had 70% on korea for the first week he was there, I was there when Koreans would talk about him in customs etc, after a week they adapted to his style, and then he fell to 53%. His style is a benefit, it is not normal, it is not standard, it is however able to be broken down and dissected by the Koreans, and that is why he fell so hard after only a week on their ladder. He could never in a million years do this on Korea. EDIT - He's still a great player, don't get me wrong, but people are ignoring that this did happen lol. Koreans can dominate 10x harder, and ffs its the EU ladder lol. If he fell off so hard and they figured him out in KR, then how did he manage to beat DRG and Hero in the Blizzard Cup towards the end of his stay? BTW: Stephano is 1-0 in the GSL vs the current champion. That's a fact :D Tossgirl is 1-0 against the best BW player of all time. Does that mean anything? Maybe in a fanfic... | ||
hunts
United States2113 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:46 dsousa wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote: Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you. It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances. It wasn't a best of 3, it was a best of 1..... I guess it counts even less then. I'm glad to see that your SC2 knowledge is imperfect though, I was beginning to doubt Stephano from your fine arguments. Fact is.... he beat the current GSL champion on the GSL stage, if that's meaningless to you then so be it. I've beaten sponnsored players before, why arenn't I sponsored? JYP beat DRG in code A a while ago, why isn't he the GSL code S champion? Idra has beaten genius in GSL before, why isn't he 2nd in GSL code S? You see where this is going? Random series don't mean anything. Stephano has not proven himself yet, and his fans act as if hes the reincarnation of jaedong christ. | ||
Morrisson
289 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States42213 Posts
On March 08 2012 06:01 dsousa wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 05:49 Flonomenalz wrote: On March 08 2012 05:46 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote: Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you. It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances. It wasn't a best of 3, it was a best of 1..... I guess it counts even less then. I'm glad to see that your SC2 knowledge is imperfect though, I was beginning to doubt Stephano from your fine arguments. Fact is.... he beat the current GSL champion on the GSL stage, if that's meaningless to you then so be it. Dude just stop. It was a best of 1. And it was ZvZ. Stop. Man, TL posters actually make me dislike players sometimes, lol. Good, the bandwagon is full. Its too late for you.... if you let my posts get in the way of recognizing Stephano's supreme talent... then it's your loss. FACT: Stephano has a 100% win rate vs GSL Champion DRG. Source Fact: Stephano is good. Fact: Other players are good too. Fact: Stephano doesn't have a GSL trophy. Fact: DRG does. Fact: 2+2=4 (except for extremely large values of 2). This is fun. This is also silly. Can we move on | ||
dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On March 08 2012 06:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 06:01 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 05:49 Flonomenalz wrote: On March 08 2012 05:46 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote: Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you. It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances. It wasn't a best of 3, it was a best of 1..... I guess it counts even less then. I'm glad to see that your SC2 knowledge is imperfect though, I was beginning to doubt Stephano from your fine arguments. Fact is.... he beat the current GSL champion on the GSL stage, if that's meaningless to you then so be it. Dude just stop. It was a best of 1. And it was ZvZ. Stop. Man, TL posters actually make me dislike players sometimes, lol. Good, the bandwagon is full. Its too late for you.... if you let my posts get in the way of recognizing Stephano's supreme talent... then it's your loss. FACT: Stephano has a 100% win rate vs GSL Champion DRG. Source Fact: Stephano is good. Fact: Other players are good too. Fact: Stephano doesn't have a GSL trophy. Fact: DRG does. Fact: 2+2=4 (except for extremely large values of 2). This is fun. This is also silly. Can we move on FACT: Stephano has a 0% win rate against me. Guess that means I am better than him. lolololol. | ||
SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On March 08 2012 06:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 06:01 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 05:49 Flonomenalz wrote: On March 08 2012 05:46 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote: Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you. It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances. It wasn't a best of 3, it was a best of 1..... I guess it counts even less then. I'm glad to see that your SC2 knowledge is imperfect though, I was beginning to doubt Stephano from your fine arguments. Fact is.... he beat the current GSL champion on the GSL stage, if that's meaningless to you then so be it. Dude just stop. It was a best of 1. And it was ZvZ. Stop. Man, TL posters actually make me dislike players sometimes, lol. Good, the bandwagon is full. Its too late for you.... if you let my posts get in the way of recognizing Stephano's supreme talent... then it's your loss. FACT: Stephano has a 100% win rate vs GSL Champion DRG. Source Fact: Stephano is good. Fact: Other players are good too. Fact: Stephano doesn't have a GSL trophy. Fact: DRG does. Fact: 2+2=4 (except for extremely large values of 2). This is fun. This is also silly. Can we move on Ya, we can move on anytime :D Honestly though its amusing to me that people get so riled up over the fact that other people think Stephano could be the best. I wouldn't say he is the best, but I do think he could be and that he has a chance to become so. That's all.... and I'm sticking to it. I'm willing to take the abuse for my opinion.... there are 50 different links on the left hand side of this page that you can post in. I happen to like this thread because I'm a huge Stephano fanboy! :D | ||
mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On March 08 2012 06:08 dAPhREAk wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 06:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: On March 08 2012 06:01 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 05:49 Flonomenalz wrote: On March 08 2012 05:46 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote: Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you. It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances. It wasn't a best of 3, it was a best of 1..... I guess it counts even less then. I'm glad to see that your SC2 knowledge is imperfect though, I was beginning to doubt Stephano from your fine arguments. Fact is.... he beat the current GSL champion on the GSL stage, if that's meaningless to you then so be it. Dude just stop. It was a best of 1. And it was ZvZ. Stop. Man, TL posters actually make me dislike players sometimes, lol. Good, the bandwagon is full. Its too late for you.... if you let my posts get in the way of recognizing Stephano's supreme talent... then it's your loss. FACT: Stephano has a 100% win rate vs GSL Champion DRG. Source Fact: Stephano is good. Fact: Other players are good too. Fact: Stephano doesn't have a GSL trophy. Fact: DRG does. Fact: 2+2=4 (except for extremely large values of 2). This is fun. This is also silly. Can we move on FACT: Stephano has a 0% win rate against me. Guess that means I am better than him. lolololol. No, he does not, you both have undefined or infinite winrate against eachother. You really cannot count too well. | ||
mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:28 lastshadow wrote: ... He had 70% on korea for the first week he was there, I was there when Koreans would talk about him in customs etc, after a week they adapted to his style, and then he fell to 53%. His style is a benefit, it is not normal, it is not standard, it is however able to be broken down and dissected by the Koreans, and that is why he fell so hard after only a week on their ladder. He could never in a million years do this on Korea. EDIT - He's still a great player, don't get me wrong, but people are ignoring that this did happen lol. Koreans can dominate 10x harder, and ffs its the EU ladder lol. You are doing the exact same thing his overzealous fans are doing. Hyperboles and inaccurate statements. Them I can understand, you are just annoying. And just so I don't guess, WCG USA 2006 ? | ||
Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On March 08 2012 06:26 mcc wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 05:28 lastshadow wrote: ... He had 70% on korea for the first week he was there, I was there when Koreans would talk about him in customs etc, after a week they adapted to his style, and then he fell to 53%. His style is a benefit, it is not normal, it is not standard, it is however able to be broken down and dissected by the Koreans, and that is why he fell so hard after only a week on their ladder. He could never in a million years do this on Korea. EDIT - He's still a great player, don't get me wrong, but people are ignoring that this did happen lol. Koreans can dominate 10x harder, and ffs its the EU ladder lol. You are doing the exact same thing his overzealous fans are doing. Hyperboles and inaccurate statements. Them I can understand, you are just annoying. And just so I don't guess, WCG USA 2006 ? And it's not even true, When Stephano left Korea, he still had like 65% of winrate. He played a lot of Code A/S calibers at the end of his trip. | ||
dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On March 08 2012 06:22 mcc wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 06:08 dAPhREAk wrote: On March 08 2012 06:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: On March 08 2012 06:01 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 05:49 Flonomenalz wrote: On March 08 2012 05:46 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote: Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you. It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances. It wasn't a best of 3, it was a best of 1..... I guess it counts even less then. I'm glad to see that your SC2 knowledge is imperfect though, I was beginning to doubt Stephano from your fine arguments. Fact is.... he beat the current GSL champion on the GSL stage, if that's meaningless to you then so be it. Dude just stop. It was a best of 1. And it was ZvZ. Stop. Man, TL posters actually make me dislike players sometimes, lol. Good, the bandwagon is full. Its too late for you.... if you let my posts get in the way of recognizing Stephano's supreme talent... then it's your loss. FACT: Stephano has a 100% win rate vs GSL Champion DRG. Source Fact: Stephano is good. Fact: Other players are good too. Fact: Stephano doesn't have a GSL trophy. Fact: DRG does. Fact: 2+2=4 (except for extremely large values of 2). This is fun. This is also silly. Can we move on FACT: Stephano has a 0% win rate against me. Guess that means I am better than him. lolololol. No, he does not, you both have undefined or infinite winrate against eachother. You really cannot count too well. oh, really? what if i was in that monobattle where he lost? lol | ||
Elean
689 Posts
On March 08 2012 06:31 Faust852 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 06:26 mcc wrote: On March 08 2012 05:28 lastshadow wrote: ... He had 70% on korea for the first week he was there, I was there when Koreans would talk about him in customs etc, after a week they adapted to his style, and then he fell to 53%. His style is a benefit, it is not normal, it is not standard, it is however able to be broken down and dissected by the Koreans, and that is why he fell so hard after only a week on their ladder. He could never in a million years do this on Korea. EDIT - He's still a great player, don't get me wrong, but people are ignoring that this did happen lol. Koreans can dominate 10x harder, and ffs its the EU ladder lol. You are doing the exact same thing his overzealous fans are doing. Hyperboles and inaccurate statements. Them I can understand, you are just annoying. And just so I don't guess, WCG USA 2006 ? And it's not even true, When Stephano left Korea, he still had like 65% of winrate. He played a lot of Code A/S calibers at the end of his trip. 65% it's also roughly his winrate vs koreans in tournaments. | ||
Recognizable
Netherlands1552 Posts
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Kahlgar
411 Posts
On March 08 2012 06:31 Faust852 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 06:26 mcc wrote: On March 08 2012 05:28 lastshadow wrote: ... He had 70% on korea for the first week he was there, I was there when Koreans would talk about him in customs etc, after a week they adapted to his style, and then he fell to 53%. His style is a benefit, it is not normal, it is not standard, it is however able to be broken down and dissected by the Koreans, and that is why he fell so hard after only a week on their ladder. He could never in a million years do this on Korea. EDIT - He's still a great player, don't get me wrong, but people are ignoring that this did happen lol. Koreans can dominate 10x harder, and ffs its the EU ladder lol. You are doing the exact same thing his overzealous fans are doing. Hyperboles and inaccurate statements. Them I can understand, you are just annoying. And just so I don't guess, WCG USA 2006 ? And it's not even true, When Stephano left Korea, he still had like 65% of winrate. He played a lot of Code A/S calibers at the end of his trip. besides you would expect his winrate to go down as his MMR goes from mid masters to top 30 GM (regardless of how well the koreans are adapting to his style) | ||
Indolent
Poland137 Posts
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On March 08 2012 06:31 dAPhREAk wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 06:22 mcc wrote: On March 08 2012 06:08 dAPhREAk wrote: On March 08 2012 06:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: On March 08 2012 06:01 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 05:49 Flonomenalz wrote: On March 08 2012 05:46 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote: Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you. It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances. It wasn't a best of 3, it was a best of 1..... I guess it counts even less then. I'm glad to see that your SC2 knowledge is imperfect though, I was beginning to doubt Stephano from your fine arguments. Fact is.... he beat the current GSL champion on the GSL stage, if that's meaningless to you then so be it. Dude just stop. It was a best of 1. And it was ZvZ. Stop. Man, TL posters actually make me dislike players sometimes, lol. Good, the bandwagon is full. Its too late for you.... if you let my posts get in the way of recognizing Stephano's supreme talent... then it's your loss. FACT: Stephano has a 100% win rate vs GSL Champion DRG. Source Fact: Stephano is good. Fact: Other players are good too. Fact: Stephano doesn't have a GSL trophy. Fact: DRG does. Fact: 2+2=4 (except for extremely large values of 2). This is fun. This is also silly. Can we move on FACT: Stephano has a 0% win rate against me. Guess that means I am better than him. lolololol. No, he does not, you both have undefined or infinite winrate against eachother. You really cannot count too well. oh, really? what if i was in that monobattle where he lost? lol Was it 1v1 monobattle ? | ||
TheSwamp
United States1497 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:37 DreamOen wrote: Such a crazy record, but I think the same could happen if Nestea/Mvp/mc, or even when huk play on EU ladder, they get records like that.I'm curious about what stephano could achieve in the korean ladder with all that beasts around. Yeah, when Huk was at MLG winter he was laddering on NA and lost one game. He only lost that game because Sheth canceled his first gateway in a PvP. Obviously EU is harder than NA but it's still impressive nonetheless. | ||
dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On March 08 2012 06:48 mcc wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 06:31 dAPhREAk wrote: On March 08 2012 06:22 mcc wrote: On March 08 2012 06:08 dAPhREAk wrote: On March 08 2012 06:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: On March 08 2012 06:01 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 05:49 Flonomenalz wrote: On March 08 2012 05:46 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote: Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you. It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances. It wasn't a best of 3, it was a best of 1..... I guess it counts even less then. I'm glad to see that your SC2 knowledge is imperfect though, I was beginning to doubt Stephano from your fine arguments. Fact is.... he beat the current GSL champion on the GSL stage, if that's meaningless to you then so be it. Dude just stop. It was a best of 1. And it was ZvZ. Stop. Man, TL posters actually make me dislike players sometimes, lol. Good, the bandwagon is full. Its too late for you.... if you let my posts get in the way of recognizing Stephano's supreme talent... then it's your loss. FACT: Stephano has a 100% win rate vs GSL Champion DRG. Source Fact: Stephano is good. Fact: Other players are good too. Fact: Stephano doesn't have a GSL trophy. Fact: DRG does. Fact: 2+2=4 (except for extremely large values of 2). This is fun. This is also silly. Can we move on FACT: Stephano has a 0% win rate against me. Guess that means I am better than him. lolololol. No, he does not, you both have undefined or infinite winrate against eachother. You really cannot count too well. oh, really? what if i was in that monobattle where he lost? lol Was it 1v1 monobattle ? does it matter if he lost and I won? regardless, as fun as this is, my original post was only intending to show that context matters. stating something like Stephano has never lost to DRG when they only played one game is a meaningless statement. | ||
Ksyper
Bulgaria665 Posts
If not can someone please ask him to upload one :D? If yes could you gimme a link? Such consistency for zerg is just crazy to me, considering ZvZ's early game. | ||
Zeon0
Austria2995 Posts
the win vs Hero wasnt worth that much too, Hero was 0-4 that day, one could say he sucked that day. two bo1 wins mean less than nothing, dont act like Stephano is a multiple GSL winner because of them | ||
PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
On March 08 2012 06:54 Ksyper wrote: Does Stephano have a recent replay pack released? If not can someone please ask him to upload one :D? If yes could you gimme a link? Such consistency for zerg is just crazy to me, considering ZvZ's early game. Here's his 4th replay pack http://www.mediafire.com/?t72cziiga22oyo2 | ||
dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On March 08 2012 06:54 Zeon0 wrote: DRG did a 10pool vs Stephano, it wasnt even a game where Stephano could show his skill the win vs Hero wasnt worth that much too, Hero was 0-4 that day, one could say he sucked that day. two bo1 wins mean less than nothing, dont act like Stephano is a multiple GSL winner because of them If he did it once, he could do it again..... its not like it took him a long time to get over being on the GSL stage like it does so many foreigners. His first match ever in the GSL, he beat DRG. Its pretty badass if you ask me. Just an opinion though :D | ||
Zeon0
Austria2995 Posts
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00Visor
4337 Posts
On March 08 2012 06:54 Zeon0 wrote: DRG did a 10pool vs Stephano, it wasnt even a game where Stephano could show his skill the win vs Hero wasnt worth that much too, Hero was 0-4 that day, one could say he sucked that day. two bo1 wins mean less than nothing, dont act like Stephano is a multiple GSL winner because of them I'm glad that haters had to go up to say, Stephano is overhyped because he is not a multiple GSL winner. I can live with that. | ||
dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:12 Zeon0 wrote: Blizzard Cup is not a real GSL Tell that to Naniwa.... it counted as his Code S sport he got from MLG. Same stage, same booth, same audience, same casters....... some competition. Stephano's group was DRG, MVP, MC and Hero. 4 Code S level players and 6 GSL championships between them. | ||
Oboeman
Canada3980 Posts
On March 08 2012 06:54 Zeon0 wrote: DRG did a 10pool vs Stephano, it wasnt even a game where Stephano could show his skill the win vs Hero wasnt worth that much too, Hero was 0-4 that day, one could say he sucked that day. two bo1 wins mean less than nothing, dont act like Stephano is a multiple GSL winner because of them For what it's worth, stephano went 15 hatch and held off 10 pool baneling, which should be considered pretty damn close to a build order loss, but he micro'd exceptionally well and survived. In the same tournament, Nestea went 15 hatch and died to the exact same build, performed by Leenock. | ||
Zeon0
Austria2995 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:12 00Visor wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 06:54 Zeon0 wrote: DRG did a 10pool vs Stephano, it wasnt even a game where Stephano could show his skill the win vs Hero wasnt worth that much too, Hero was 0-4 that day, one could say he sucked that day. two bo1 wins mean less than nothing, dont act like Stephano is a multiple GSL winner because of them I'm glad that haters had to go up to say, Stephano is overhyped because he is not a multiple GSL winner. I can live with that. i'm not a hater. i love him. but comparing him to flash? ridiculous to be clear: stephano didnt achieve a lot in GSL, he went out in groupstage. | ||
dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:19 Zeon0 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 07:12 00Visor wrote: On March 08 2012 06:54 Zeon0 wrote: DRG did a 10pool vs Stephano, it wasnt even a game where Stephano could show his skill the win vs Hero wasnt worth that much too, Hero was 0-4 that day, one could say he sucked that day. two bo1 wins mean less than nothing, dont act like Stephano is a multiple GSL winner because of them I'm glad that haters had to go up to say, Stephano is overhyped because he is not a multiple GSL winner. I can live with that. i'm not a hater. i love him. but comparing him to flash? ridiculous to be clear: stephano didnt achieve a lot in GSL, he went out in groupstage. This is true, but his group has 6 GSL championship trophies... thats 50% of all the GSLs. | ||
zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:12 00Visor wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 06:54 Zeon0 wrote: DRG did a 10pool vs Stephano, it wasnt even a game where Stephano could show his skill the win vs Hero wasnt worth that much too, Hero was 0-4 that day, one could say he sucked that day. two bo1 wins mean less than nothing, dont act like Stephano is a multiple GSL winner because of them I'm glad that haters had to go up to say, Stephano is overhyped because he is not a multiple GSL winner. I can live with that. This is the kind of thing that turns people off of Stephano. Hes a great player, I want to say he is the best foreigner, but shit like this is so obnoxious. Stephano has won IPL 3 and..? A bunch of small tournaments? To even compare him to DRG is a joke. I wouldn't be surprised if he could hack it in Code S, but then again I wouldn't be surprised if he dropped straight to code B either. There are so many quality players in Code B/A that when watching their games look just as good as Stephano. He definitely hasn't looked unbeatable in tournaments lately.. What makes anyone think he is a contender for Code S championship yet? | ||
sitromit
7051 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:14 Oboeman wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 06:54 Zeon0 wrote: DRG did a 10pool vs Stephano, it wasnt even a game where Stephano could show his skill the win vs Hero wasnt worth that much too, Hero was 0-4 that day, one could say he sucked that day. two bo1 wins mean less than nothing, dont act like Stephano is a multiple GSL winner because of them For what it's worth, stephano went 15 hatch and held off 10 pool baneling, which should be considered pretty damn close to a build order loss, but he micro'd exceptionally well and survived. In the same tournament, Nestea went 15 hatch and died to the exact same build, performed by Leenock. It wasn't a 10 Pool Baneling build, it was 13 Gas, 12 Pool with Speed before Baneling Nest so no, it wasn't supposed to be a build order win against Hatch first in any way shape or form. DRG made a mistake and wasted a lot of time and Zerglings trying to kill a Spine Crawler for some reason, when he could have run up Stephano's ramp. Had he done that, he would have won that game. | ||
Odoakar
Croatia1834 Posts
MKP's stream - 1,7k views Destiny's stream - 1,6k views He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon | ||
Cokefreak
Finland8094 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote: Stephano's stream - 10k views MKP's stream - 1,7k views Destiny's stream - 1,6k views He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon Usually his numbers are not this high however today he is commentating on his play, which is probably why he has about 4000 more viewers than I normally see it peak at. | ||
Koshi
Belgium38331 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote: Stephano's stream - 10k views MKP's stream - 1,7k views Destiny's stream - 1,6k views He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon He commentates, he wins, he shows skill, and mostly he is fun to watch. Best stream out there. | ||
zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:28 sitromit wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 07:14 Oboeman wrote: On March 08 2012 06:54 Zeon0 wrote: DRG did a 10pool vs Stephano, it wasnt even a game where Stephano could show his skill the win vs Hero wasnt worth that much too, Hero was 0-4 that day, one could say he sucked that day. two bo1 wins mean less than nothing, dont act like Stephano is a multiple GSL winner because of them For what it's worth, stephano went 15 hatch and held off 10 pool baneling, which should be considered pretty damn close to a build order loss, but he micro'd exceptionally well and survived. In the same tournament, Nestea went 15 hatch and died to the exact same build, performed by Leenock. It wasn't a 10 Pool Baneling build, it was 13 Gas, 12 Pool with Speed before Baneling Nest so no, it wasn't supposed to be a build order win against Hatch first in any way shape or form. DRG made a mistake and wasted a lot of time and Zerglings trying to kill a Spine Crawler for some reason, when he could have run up Stephano's ramp. Had he done that, he would have won that game. People don't actually watch games, or care how close they are, all they want to know is who wins so they can blindly attempt to quantify skill using a sample size of 1 game. | ||
Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote: Stephano's stream - 10k views MKP's stream - 1,7k views Destiny's stream - 1,6k views He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon well, marineking isnt playing, but an other prime member. and why would you watch destiny over stephano ( in terms of skill)? | ||
Murlox
France1699 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote: Stephano's stream - 10k views MKP's stream - 1,7k views Destiny's stream - 1,6k views He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon Not denying the bandwagon effect (we call it the "sheep" effect, in french). Still, watching stephano stream is equally incredibly entertaining, to me at least. Good music, clean controls, almost always confronted to the weirdest all-ins from his opponents that don't want to macro vs him, he's very chilled out too, yet looks honest in his emotions (no over-professionalism). And he is good. Am not even a Z player... Yeah, call me fanboy I suppose... | ||
PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote: Stephano's stream - 10k views MKP's stream - 1,7k views Destiny's stream - 1,6k views He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon ............. He normally can get about 8k. He's commentating today that's why its 11k | ||
rOse_PedaL
Korea (South)450 Posts
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dragonborn
4781 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:38 rOse_PedaL wrote: Stephano should play the KR server he was top 50 grandmaster in kr. | ||
JackDT
724 Posts
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huehuehuehue
Estonia455 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:38 rOse_PedaL wrote: Stephano should play the KR server Latency would be way too high when he is in Europe. | ||
slam
United States923 Posts
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00Visor
4337 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:19 Zeon0 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 07:12 00Visor wrote: On March 08 2012 06:54 Zeon0 wrote: DRG did a 10pool vs Stephano, it wasnt even a game where Stephano could show his skill the win vs Hero wasnt worth that much too, Hero was 0-4 that day, one could say he sucked that day. two bo1 wins mean less than nothing, dont act like Stephano is a multiple GSL winner because of them I'm glad that haters had to go up to say, Stephano is overhyped because he is not a multiple GSL winner. I can live with that. i'm not a hater. i love him. but comparing him to flash? ridiculous to be clear: stephano didnt achieve a lot in GSL, he went out in groupstage. I don't see anything about Flash. Nor do I see a lot of people acting like Stephano is a multiple GSL winner (yeah, a few silly fanboys are always there). You are just downplaying Stephanos Blizzcon perfomance. I don't know why. He went out, but he was 2-2. That doesnt define his skill, but 'means less than nothing'? | ||
Koshi
Belgium38331 Posts
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Zeon0
Austria2995 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:42 00Visor wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 07:19 Zeon0 wrote: On March 08 2012 07:12 00Visor wrote: On March 08 2012 06:54 Zeon0 wrote: DRG did a 10pool vs Stephano, it wasnt even a game where Stephano could show his skill the win vs Hero wasnt worth that much too, Hero was 0-4 that day, one could say he sucked that day. two bo1 wins mean less than nothing, dont act like Stephano is a multiple GSL winner because of them I'm glad that haters had to go up to say, Stephano is overhyped because he is not a multiple GSL winner. I can live with that. i'm not a hater. i love him. but comparing him to flash? ridiculous to be clear: stephano didnt achieve a lot in GSL, he went out in groupstage. I don't see anything about Flash. Nor do I see a lot of people acting like Stephano is a multiple GSL winner (yeah, a few silly fanboys are always there). You are just downplaying Stephanos Blizzcon perfomance. I don't know why. He went out, but he was 2-2. That doesnt define his skill, but 'means less than nothing'? yes, i dont think his Blizzard Cup performance wasnt that good. he won a silly zvz. he won vs Hero, who was just terrible that day. then he lost with another silly all in vs MC and in the last game Mvp just outplayed him by countering his style hardcore 2 all ins, 1 game vs a player who performed bad that day, 1 loss to a (superior?) player who just knew how to counter him... 4 bo1s mean nothing i wished he would play multiple gsls, so we can compare him with players like MMA, Mvp, DRG, Genius etc On March 08 2012 00:30 Acritter wrote: Lost at Team Monobattles...? Must have randomed Overlords or something. Seriously, I think that Stephano would be close to the level of Flash if he offered a similar amount of dedication. There's some stuff in his play that can't really be copied. Remember what the BW players say? That there are some builds that only Flash can do because he's Flash? The same thing applies here. people do compare him to flash. yes, its hard to believe^^ | ||
Koshi
Belgium38331 Posts
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:43 Koshi wrote: "IMMVP" just got rolled. Damn. That guy got good stats. Ya, at first didn't think it was MVP, but the 220 - 20 record is pretty amazing. Plus his drops and siege tank placement were quite expert and he certainly put more of a fight than the others. Not sure | ||
scarper65
1560 Posts
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:46 dsousa wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 07:43 Koshi wrote: "IMMVP" just got rolled. Damn. That guy got good stats. Ya, at first didn't think it was MVP, but the 220 - 20 record is pretty amazing. Plus his drops and siege tank placement were quite expert. Not sure It's not, just someone who abused the ladder by tanking his mmr to bronze | ||
Edko
France20 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote: Stephano's stream - 10k views MKP's stream - 1,7k views Destiny's stream - 1,6k views He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon Yeah, dunno why 1k6 ppl are watching Destiny while Stephano is playing :p | ||
Nitro68
France470 Posts
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On March 08 2012 06:53 dAPhREAk wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 06:48 mcc wrote: On March 08 2012 06:31 dAPhREAk wrote: On March 08 2012 06:22 mcc wrote: On March 08 2012 06:08 dAPhREAk wrote: On March 08 2012 06:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: On March 08 2012 06:01 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 05:49 Flonomenalz wrote: On March 08 2012 05:46 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote: Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you. It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances. It wasn't a best of 3, it was a best of 1..... I guess it counts even less then. I'm glad to see that your SC2 knowledge is imperfect though, I was beginning to doubt Stephano from your fine arguments. Fact is.... he beat the current GSL champion on the GSL stage, if that's meaningless to you then so be it. Dude just stop. It was a best of 1. And it was ZvZ. Stop. Man, TL posters actually make me dislike players sometimes, lol. Good, the bandwagon is full. Its too late for you.... if you let my posts get in the way of recognizing Stephano's supreme talent... then it's your loss. FACT: Stephano has a 100% win rate vs GSL Champion DRG. Source Fact: Stephano is good. Fact: Other players are good too. Fact: Stephano doesn't have a GSL trophy. Fact: DRG does. Fact: 2+2=4 (except for extremely large values of 2). This is fun. This is also silly. Can we move on FACT: Stephano has a 0% win rate against me. Guess that means I am better than him. lolololol. No, he does not, you both have undefined or infinite winrate against eachother. You really cannot count too well. oh, really? what if i was in that monobattle where he lost? lol Was it 1v1 monobattle ? does it matter if he lost and I won? regardless, as fun as this is, my original post was only intending to show that context matters. stating something like Stephano has never lost to DRG when they only played one game is a meaningless statement. Not really because then his team has 0% winrate against your team, not you. Of course it is a meaningless statement. And that is why I just noted your 0% statement not the main point you were trying to make. | ||
dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:47 zefreak wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 07:46 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 07:43 Koshi wrote: "IMMVP" just got rolled. Damn. That guy got good stats. Ya, at first didn't think it was MVP, but the 220 - 20 record is pretty amazing. Plus his drops and siege tank placement were quite expert. Not sure It's not, just someone who abused the ladder by tanking his mmr to bronze I thought that guy was the IMMVP on the US server though..... this IMMVP certainly played better than the other T's Stephano has faced today. He was actually in the game, without bunker rushing. | ||
Zeon0
Austria2995 Posts
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:47 zefreak wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 07:46 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 07:43 Koshi wrote: "IMMVP" just got rolled. Damn. That guy got good stats. Ya, at first didn't think it was MVP, but the 220 - 20 record is pretty amazing. Plus his drops and siege tank placement were quite expert. Not sure It's not, just someone who abused the ladder by tanking his mmr to bronze Just as an FYI, it took me 89-2 to get from bronze to masters...after that, going fucking 111-18 against GM/high masters is pretty good, obviously it's not MVP, but he's pretty good nonetheless. | ||
zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:52 Badfatpanda wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 07:47 zefreak wrote: On March 08 2012 07:46 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 07:43 Koshi wrote: "IMMVP" just got rolled. Damn. That guy got good stats. Ya, at first didn't think it was MVP, but the 220 - 20 record is pretty amazing. Plus his drops and siege tank placement were quite expert. Not sure It's not, just someone who abused the ladder by tanking his mmr to bronze Just as an FYI, it took me 89-2 to get from bronze to masters...after that, going fucking 111-18 against GM/high masters is pretty good, obviously it's not MVP, but he's pretty good nonetheless. Not saying hes bad, I saw the game myself, just that it's not THE mvp | ||
mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:22 zefreak wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 07:12 00Visor wrote: On March 08 2012 06:54 Zeon0 wrote: DRG did a 10pool vs Stephano, it wasnt even a game where Stephano could show his skill the win vs Hero wasnt worth that much too, Hero was 0-4 that day, one could say he sucked that day. two bo1 wins mean less than nothing, dont act like Stephano is a multiple GSL winner because of them I'm glad that haters had to go up to say, Stephano is overhyped because he is not a multiple GSL winner. I can live with that. This is the kind of thing that turns people off of Stephano. Hes a great player, I want to say he is the best foreigner, but shit like this is so obnoxious. Stephano has won IPL 3 and..? A bunch of small tournaments? To even compare him to DRG is a joke. I wouldn't be surprised if he could hack it in Code S, but then again I wouldn't be surprised if he dropped straight to code B either. There are so many quality players in Code B/A that when watching their games look just as good as Stephano. He definitely hasn't looked unbeatable in tournaments lately.. What makes anyone think he is a contender for Code S championship yet? First you are a strange person if you judge people not by them but by other people's actions. Also their actions are obnoxious to you because ? Because they overhype Stephano, I suppose with your logic you must hate nearly every progamer ever unless you are hypocrite. ESWC was not a small tournament. And as for people saying thet he maybe can do it in cose S. Of course he can, more than one foreigner actually can. Note that Liquid Zenio is in code S and Zenio's ZvT and ZvP are not that great. Is he a player that can stay in GSL for a long time and/or achieve high placements there ? That is completely different question. I think Stephano actually can with some longer stay in Korea, but I cannot state it unless he tries. Also note that I picked Zenio, but there are more players that skirt the code S boundary and are more than mortal compared to top foreigners. | ||
dragonborn
4781 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote: Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you. It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances. Juan? thats major guy not even pass round 1 in EWM, right? also lets talk about mechanics, in your world IdrA is the best zerg with best mechanics, but he is keep losing to eu players.WHY? because mechanics isnt everything in sc2. SjoW with 80 apm and superior to Major, and stephano superior to IdrA in every way. Stop being jealous, you and major never been good and accomplished as Stephano/Kas/SjoW. Also this picture fitting perfect on major and you good ol' lastshadow, face with the truth. | ||
mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote: Stephano's stream - 10k views MKP's stream - 1,7k views Destiny's stream - 1,6k views He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon Why is Destiny in the comparison ? Yes, MKP "deserves" more viewers, but Destiny ? | ||
sofakng
100 Posts
On March 07 2012 23:09 HornyHerring wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2012 18:36 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote: Stephano is a great player, the EU ladder is not the worst ladder but is no where near as good as Korea so these type of streaks are possible. Not the worst? It's the second hardest after Korean, lol. To be fair I think NA is better now at the higher levels I play gms on both and euro is cheesy as fuck. Na tends to macro more which is better for practice imo. I always just get cheesed and either die or usually defend the cheese then destroy them later. | ||
Archybaldie
United Kingdom818 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:47 zefreak wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 07:46 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 07:43 Koshi wrote: "IMMVP" just got rolled. Damn. That guy got good stats. Ya, at first didn't think it was MVP, but the 220 - 20 record is pretty amazing. Plus his drops and siege tank placement were quite expert. Not sure It's not, just someone who abused the ladder by tanking his mmr to bronze http://www.sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp#alltime the mvp stephano faced has never been in bronze. Also isnt mvp in europe or going to be in europe for the Iron Squid? | ||
zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:58 mcc wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 07:22 zefreak wrote: On March 08 2012 07:12 00Visor wrote: On March 08 2012 06:54 Zeon0 wrote: DRG did a 10pool vs Stephano, it wasnt even a game where Stephano could show his skill the win vs Hero wasnt worth that much too, Hero was 0-4 that day, one could say he sucked that day. two bo1 wins mean less than nothing, dont act like Stephano is a multiple GSL winner because of them I'm glad that haters had to go up to say, Stephano is overhyped because he is not a multiple GSL winner. I can live with that. This is the kind of thing that turns people off of Stephano. Hes a great player, I want to say he is the best foreigner, but shit like this is so obnoxious. Stephano has won IPL 3 and..? A bunch of small tournaments? To even compare him to DRG is a joke. I wouldn't be surprised if he could hack it in Code S, but then again I wouldn't be surprised if he dropped straight to code B either. There are so many quality players in Code B/A that when watching their games look just as good as Stephano. He definitely hasn't looked unbeatable in tournaments lately.. What makes anyone think he is a contender for Code S championship yet? First you are a strange person if you judge people not by them but by other people's actions. Also their actions are obnoxious to you because ? Because they overhype Stephano, I suppose with your logic you must hate nearly every progamer ever unless you are hypocrite. ESWC was not a small tournament. And as for people saying thet he maybe can do it in cose S. Of course he can, more than one foreigner actually can. Note that Liquid Zenio is in code S and Zenio's ZvT and ZvP are not that great. Is he a player that can stay in GSL for a long time and/or achieve high placements there ? That is completely different question. I think Stephano actually can with some longer stay in Korea, but I cannot state it unless he tries. Also note that I picked Zenio, but there are more players that skirt the code S boundary and are more than mortal compared to top foreigners. I don't judge stephano by his fans. I said he is currently one of the best foreigners and the best foreign zerg. His fans can be extremely naive, however, and whenever something is hyped up by an overzealous fan base there is a negative response to it. I sometimes wonder just how familiar some of his fans are with the korean scene or if they only follow EU because they are (probably) from there. | ||
dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On March 08 2012 08:02 Archybaldie wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 07:47 zefreak wrote: On March 08 2012 07:46 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 07:43 Koshi wrote: "IMMVP" just got rolled. Damn. That guy got good stats. Ya, at first didn't think it was MVP, but the 220 - 20 record is pretty amazing. Plus his drops and siege tank placement were quite expert. Not sure It's not, just someone who abused the ladder by tanking his mmr to bronze http://www.sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp#alltime the mvp stephano faced has never been in bronze. Also isnt mvp in europe or going to be in europe for the iron squid? Its a little strange that MVP would play so many games on EU though....... maybe its a shared IM account that they'll use for him for IronSquid? It look like MVP's style of play, especially late game with the drops and hatch denying. Not many terrans can multi-task like that.... plus the way he held out til the very end was very Korean style.... I'd say 50/50..... Why would such a good T use that smurf? | ||
Koshi
Belgium38331 Posts
On March 08 2012 08:02 Archybaldie wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 07:47 zefreak wrote: On March 08 2012 07:46 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 07:43 Koshi wrote: "IMMVP" just got rolled. Damn. That guy got good stats. Ya, at first didn't think it was MVP, but the 220 - 20 record is pretty amazing. Plus his drops and siege tank placement were quite expert. Not sure It's not, just someone who abused the ladder by tanking his mmr to bronze http://www.sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp#alltime the mvp stephano faced has never been in bronze. Also isnt mvp in europe or going to be in europe for the Iron Squid? It is probably not MVP, but as you can see on the graph, his wins are legit. Maybe Kas? I don't know. He used to be a ladder beast. Having 1000 games more played than others. | ||
IMNasty
663 Posts
On March 08 2012 08:02 Archybaldie wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 07:47 zefreak wrote: On March 08 2012 07:46 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 07:43 Koshi wrote: "IMMVP" just got rolled. Damn. That guy got good stats. Ya, at first didn't think it was MVP, but the 220 - 20 record is pretty amazing. Plus his drops and siege tank placement were quite expert. Not sure It's not, just someone who abused the ladder by tanking his mmr to bronze http://www.sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp#alltime the mvp stephano faced has never been in bronze. Also isnt mvp in europe or going to be in europe for the Iron Squid? nope iron squid is all online and played a while ago, finals are offline in paris but not for another 2 months, mvp would not be there this early | ||
Phemtos
Canada163 Posts
On March 08 2012 08:05 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 08:02 Archybaldie wrote: On March 08 2012 07:47 zefreak wrote: On March 08 2012 07:46 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 07:43 Koshi wrote: "IMMVP" just got rolled. Damn. That guy got good stats. Ya, at first didn't think it was MVP, but the 220 - 20 record is pretty amazing. Plus his drops and siege tank placement were quite expert. Not sure It's not, just someone who abused the ladder by tanking his mmr to bronze http://www.sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp#alltime the mvp stephano faced has never been in bronze. Also isnt mvp in europe or going to be in europe for the Iron Squid? It is probably not MVP, but as you can see on the graph, his wins are legit. Maybe Kas? I don't know. He used to be a ladder beast. Having 1000 games more played than others. I honestly think it might be Juan. If you think about it he's like the biggest IMvp fan and he's really good but then again I have no idea why he would practice on the EU ladder when he's in Korea. Might be time to compare the spam patterns? | ||
Archybaldie
United Kingdom818 Posts
On March 08 2012 08:07 IMNasty wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 08:02 Archybaldie wrote: On March 08 2012 07:47 zefreak wrote: On March 08 2012 07:46 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 07:43 Koshi wrote: "IMMVP" just got rolled. Damn. That guy got good stats. Ya, at first didn't think it was MVP, but the 220 - 20 record is pretty amazing. Plus his drops and siege tank placement were quite expert. Not sure It's not, just someone who abused the ladder by tanking his mmr to bronze http://www.sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp#alltime the mvp stephano faced has never been in bronze. Also isnt mvp in europe or going to be in europe for the Iron Squid? nope iron squid is all online and played a while ago, finals are offline in paris but not for another 2 months, mvp would not be there this early Thank you, That mvp played pretty damn well vs stephano. But its probabaly not him i'm just curious who it is that seemed to play that well.. *edit* and ive had more then my usual amount of caffine so i occasionally get over excited and it takes me a few minutes to realise lol. | ||
Koshi
Belgium38331 Posts
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lastshadow
United States1372 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:58 dragonborn wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote: Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you. It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances. Juan? thats major guy not even pass round 1 in EWM, right? also lets talk about mechanics, in your world IdrA is the best zerg with best mechanics, but he is keep losing to eu players. WHY? because mechanics isnt everything in sc2. SjoW with 80 apm and superior to Major, and stephano superior to IdrA in every way. good ol' lastshadow. I said idra has the best overall mechanics for Zerg for foreigners, which is true. I've said DRG has the best overall mechanics for Zerg, in the world, which is true. Did you just bring up EWM? Then bring up every other top korean that also dropped in round 1, oh now you just look silly, guess you didn't consider that. I never said Stephano was bad, again, he's a great player, infact his egg-mechanic is something to be admired (many koreans gave up trying to learn in fact), but [overall] his mechanics are worse than IdrAs, what we see stephano be great at is his timings/awareness, which is superior to IdrA's And I'm not even going to comment on your Sjow thing lol. | ||
Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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slam
United States923 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:59 mcc wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote: Stephano's stream - 10k views MKP's stream - 1,7k views Destiny's stream - 1,6k views He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon Why is Destiny in the comparison ? Yes, MKP "deserves" more viewers, but Destiny ? I'm not really a Destiny follower but I'm pretty sure he is referring to when Destiny was a very popular streamer averaging around 6k viewers most of the time. Now a lot of people are off of his "bandwagon". | ||
Ylrahc
France496 Posts
On March 08 2012 08:16 lastshadow wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 07:58 dragonborn wrote: On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote: Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you. It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances. Juan? thats major guy not even pass round 1 in EWM, right? also lets talk about mechanics, in your world IdrA is the best zerg with best mechanics, but he is keep losing to eu players. WHY? because mechanics isnt everything in sc2. SjoW with 80 apm and superior to Major, and stephano superior to IdrA in every way. good ol' lastshadow. I said idra has the best overall mechanics for Zerg for foreigners, which is true. I've said DRG has the best overall mechanics for Zerg, in the world, which is true. Did you just bring up EWM? Then bring up every other top korean that also dropped in round 1, oh now you just look silly, guess you didn't consider that. I never said Stephano was bad, again, he's a great player, infact his egg-mechanic is something to be admired (many koreans gave up trying to learn in fact), but [overall] his mechanics are worse than IdrAs, what we see stephano be great at is his timings/awareness, which is superior to IdrA's And I'm not even going to comment on your Sjow thing lol. Well DRG himself said Stephano mechanics are very good, he never said that about idra to my knowledge And what are mechanics exactly ? If it's injects and to know when to drone, he is far superior to Idra atm. Anyway, as the guy above said, he is now speaking on his stream, this is extremly entertaining, so watch it | ||
dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On March 08 2012 08:16 lastshadow wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 07:58 dragonborn wrote: On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote: Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you. It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances. Juan? thats major guy not even pass round 1 in EWM, right? also lets talk about mechanics, in your world IdrA is the best zerg with best mechanics, but he is keep losing to eu players. WHY? because mechanics isnt everything in sc2. SjoW with 80 apm and superior to Major, and stephano superior to IdrA in every way. good ol' lastshadow. I said idra has the best overall mechanics for Zerg for foreigners, which is true. I've said DRG has the best overall mechanics for Zerg, in the world, which is true. Did you just bring up EWM? Then bring up every other top korean that also dropped in round 1, oh now you just look silly, guess you didn't consider that. I never said Stephano was bad, again, he's a great player, infact his egg-mechanic is something to be admired (many koreans gave up trying to learn in fact), but [overall] his mechanics are worse than IdrAs, what we see stephano be great at is his timings/awareness, which is superior to IdrA's And I'm not even going to comment on your Sjow thing lol. You lost me at Idra. Either I misunderstand what you mean by mechanics or IMHO you have a blind spot when it comes to evaluating SC2 players. | ||
CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On March 08 2012 08:16 lastshadow wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 07:58 dragonborn wrote: On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote: Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you. It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances. Juan? thats major guy not even pass round 1 in EWM, right? also lets talk about mechanics, in your world IdrA is the best zerg with best mechanics, but he is keep losing to eu players. WHY? because mechanics isnt everything in sc2. SjoW with 80 apm and superior to Major, and stephano superior to IdrA in every way. good ol' lastshadow. I said idra has the best overall mechanics for Zerg for foreigners, which is true. I've said DRG has the best overall mechanics for Zerg, in the world, which is true. Did you just bring up EWM? Then bring up every other top korean that also dropped in round 1, oh now you just look silly, guess you didn't consider that. I never said Stephano was bad, again, he's a great player, infact his egg-mechanic is something to be admired (many koreans gave up trying to learn in fact), but [overall] his mechanics are worse than IdrAs, what we see stephano be great at is his timings/awareness, which is superior to IdrA's And I'm not even going to comment on your Sjow thing lol. No top Koreans play in EWM silly goose. | ||
b0rt_
Norway930 Posts
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dragonborn
4781 Posts
On March 08 2012 08:16 lastshadow wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 07:58 dragonborn wrote: On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote: Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you. It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances. Juan? thats major guy not even pass round 1 in EWM, right? also lets talk about mechanics, in your world IdrA is the best zerg with best mechanics, but he is keep losing to eu players. WHY? because mechanics isnt everything in sc2. SjoW with 80 apm and superior to Major, and stephano superior to IdrA in every way. good ol' lastshadow. I said idra has the best overall mechanics for Zerg for foreigners, which is true. I've said DRG has the best overall mechanics for Zerg, in the world, which is true. Did you just bring up EWM? Then bring up every other top korean that also dropped in round 1, oh now you just look silly, guess you didn't consider that. I never said Stephano was bad, again, he's a great player, infact his egg-mechanic is something to be admired (many koreans gave up trying to learn in fact), but [overall] his mechanics are worse than IdrAs, what we see stephano be great at is his timings/awareness, which is superior to IdrA's And I'm not even going to comment on your Sjow thing lol. Stephano is the SUPERIOR player to IdrA in every possibly way.IdrA's mechanics was good when first 8 month of starcraft 2, now IdrA isnt something special. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Raleigh who is the highest placed foreigner? Where was MajOr? oh wait, he was busy for losing SEA player JazBas in blizzcon Stop being jealous and face with the truth, these players superior to your friends like IdrA/major. also Top korean players playing in EWM? i thought they were in code S, LOL. | ||
hunts
United States2113 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote: Stephano's stream - 10k views MKP's stream - 1,7k views Destiny's stream - 1,6k views He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon I'm not a big fan, but I watched because the zergs that are better than him weren't streaming (idra/sen/sleep/violet) He's still good to watch, though you're not gonnna learn too much given his playstyle. | ||
Titorelli
2492 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote: Stephano's stream - 10k views MKP's stream - 1,7k views Destiny's stream - 1,6k views He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon LOL Destiny... I have no words for this. Pls don't compare the skill of Steph and Destiny | ||
n0ave
180 Posts
On March 08 2012 08:34 hunts wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote: Stephano's stream - 10k views MKP's stream - 1,7k views Destiny's stream - 1,6k views He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon I'm not a big fan, but I watched because the zergs that are better than him weren't streaming (idra/sen/sleep/violet) He's still good to watch, though you're not gonnna learn too much given his playstyle. Stephano is better then those 4 zergs that you mentioned. | ||
Zooper31
United States5710 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:37 ThatGuy89 wrote: our opinion is to stop threads like this being made -_- when the last one was made, it was made clear that it wasnt worth a thread. yea the guys an absolute beast, but if MMA or MVP or someone laddered on EU they'd probably do the same. This can be posted in his fan club or something, or even the old stephano ladder run thread My thoughts exactly. Do we really need another thread on the same exact subject after the other one resulted in several warnings and bans? No one is going to change their mind on Stephano, you either love him or hate him. | ||
b0rt_
Norway930 Posts
On March 08 2012 08:34 hunts wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote: Stephano's stream - 10k views MKP's stream - 1,7k views Destiny's stream - 1,6k views He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon I'm not a big fan, but I watched because the zergs that are better than him weren't streaming (idra/sen/sleep/violet) He's still good to watch, though you're not gonnna learn too much given his playstyle. how do you compute that idra is better than stephano? That doesn't make any sense. Are you watching the right computer game? | ||
rOse_PedaL
Korea (South)450 Posts
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On March 08 2012 08:36 n0ave wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 08:34 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote: Stephano's stream - 10k views MKP's stream - 1,7k views Destiny's stream - 1,6k views He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon I'm not a big fan, but I watched because the zergs that are better than him weren't streaming (idra/sen/sleep/violet) He's still good to watch, though you're not gonnna learn too much given his playstyle. Stephano is better then those 4 zergs that you mentioned. No he's not, but being he's so overhyped I can definitely see why people would be mislead to believe that. | ||
dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On March 08 2012 08:38 hunts wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 08:36 n0ave wrote: On March 08 2012 08:34 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote: Stephano's stream - 10k views MKP's stream - 1,7k views Destiny's stream - 1,6k views He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon I'm not a big fan, but I watched because the zergs that are better than him weren't streaming (idra/sen/sleep/violet) He's still good to watch, though you're not gonnna learn too much given his playstyle. Stephano is better then those 4 zergs that you mentioned. No he's not, but being he's so overhyped I can definitely see why people would be mislead to believe that. He's tangibly and measurably better. By prize money, by ELO, APM, EPM, by # of wins, by head-to-head. Maybe Sen is in the discussion , the rest are hardly arguable. | ||
biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On March 08 2012 08:38 hunts wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 08:36 n0ave wrote: On March 08 2012 08:34 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote: Stephano's stream - 10k views MKP's stream - 1,7k views Destiny's stream - 1,6k views He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon I'm not a big fan, but I watched because the zergs that are better than him weren't streaming (idra/sen/sleep/violet) He's still good to watch, though you're not gonnna learn too much given his playstyle. Stephano is better then those 4 zergs that you mentioned. No he's not, but being he's so overhyped I can definitely see why people would be mislead to believe that. just objectively speaking, he wins 90% on eu gm, 70% on kr gm and basically gets to the finals of every tournament he enters. It's not really overhyped, its just flat out true. He shits on almost everyone | ||
JohnMatrix
France1349 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38331 Posts
Got to log off. It was a pleasure Stephano. Good Games. | ||
hunts
United States2113 Posts
On March 08 2012 08:41 dsousa wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 08:38 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 08:36 n0ave wrote: On March 08 2012 08:34 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote: Stephano's stream - 10k views MKP's stream - 1,7k views Destiny's stream - 1,6k views He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon I'm not a big fan, but I watched because the zergs that are better than him weren't streaming (idra/sen/sleep/violet) He's still good to watch, though you're not gonnna learn too much given his playstyle. Stephano is better then those 4 zergs that you mentioned. No he's not, but being he's so overhyped I can definitely see why people would be mislead to believe that. He's tangible better. By prize money, by ELO, by # of wins, by head-to-head. Maybe Sen is in the discussion , the rest are hardly arguable. If you wouldn't mind providing evidence and not trolling anymore, it would be nice. But again, with how overhyped stephano is I can see why people would be mislead to believe he's that great. And comparing prize money to players that were in GSL is silly. GSL is the hardest tournament in the world, in which Idra has spent 4 or so months playing, sen 3, and I'm not sure how many seasons sleep and violet were in GSL. Unless you're one of the lucky few you make very little money in GSL and even getting to code S like Idra and sen did (originally, not the seed they recently got) is much more difficult than winning some foreign tourney. | ||
Gentso
United States2218 Posts
On March 08 2012 08:38 hunts wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 08:36 n0ave wrote: On March 08 2012 08:34 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote: Stephano's stream - 10k views MKP's stream - 1,7k views Destiny's stream - 1,6k views He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon I'm not a big fan, but I watched because the zergs that are better than him weren't streaming (idra/sen/sleep/violet) He's still good to watch, though you're not gonnna learn too much given his playstyle. Stephano is better then those 4 zergs that you mentioned. No he's not, but being he's so overhyped I can definitely see why people would be mislead to believe that. Two things... 1) I've tuned into MKP's stream a few times and it wasn't him who was playing. 2) Stephano is easily the best foreigner zerg and perhaps best foreign player, and stating otherwise is just ignorant. All you need to do is look at him play. Nestea just named him best foreigner in the latest state of the game. I don't who's 'hyping' him, he won tournaments and plays well and thus he's popular. o_O | ||
TanKLoveR
Venezuela838 Posts
On March 08 2012 08:38 hunts wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 08:36 n0ave wrote: On March 08 2012 08:34 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote: Stephano's stream - 10k views MKP's stream - 1,7k views Destiny's stream - 1,6k views He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon I'm not a big fan, but I watched because the zergs that are better than him weren't streaming (idra/sen/sleep/violet) He's still good to watch, though you're not gonnna learn too much given his playstyle. Stephano is better then those 4 zergs that you mentioned. No he's not, but being he's so overhyped I can definitely see why people would be mislead to believe that. Unlike Idra, Stephano is "famous" and popular cause he WINS tournaments, not cause he played BW rather horribly but he was supposed to be the god of SC2 when it came out HAR HAR. | ||
b0rt_
Norway930 Posts
On March 08 2012 08:44 hunts wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 08:41 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 08:38 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 08:36 n0ave wrote: On March 08 2012 08:34 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote: Stephano's stream - 10k views MKP's stream - 1,7k views Destiny's stream - 1,6k views He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon I'm not a big fan, but I watched because the zergs that are better than him weren't streaming (idra/sen/sleep/violet) He's still good to watch, though you're not gonnna learn too much given his playstyle. Stephano is better then those 4 zergs that you mentioned. No he's not, but being he's so overhyped I can definitely see why people would be mislead to believe that. He's tangible better. By prize money, by ELO, by # of wins, by head-to-head. Maybe Sen is in the discussion , the rest are hardly arguable. If you wouldn't mind providing evidence and not trolling anymore, it would be nice. But again, with how overhyped stephano is I can see why people would be mislead to believe he's that great. And comparing prize money to players that were in GSL is silly. GSL is the hardest tournament in the world, in which Idra has spent 4 or so months playing, sen 3, and I'm not sure how many seasons sleep and violet were in GSL. Unless you're one of the lucky few you make very little money in GSL and even getting to code S like Idra and sen did (originally, not the seed they recently got) is much more difficult than winning some foreign tourney. Any points you you might have are washed over like the tide over a sandcastle when you state, and then try to back up idra > stephano | ||
Nabes
Canada1800 Posts
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On March 08 2012 08:41 biology]major wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 08:38 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 08:36 n0ave wrote: On March 08 2012 08:34 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote: Stephano's stream - 10k views MKP's stream - 1,7k views Destiny's stream - 1,6k views He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon I'm not a big fan, but I watched because the zergs that are better than him weren't streaming (idra/sen/sleep/violet) He's still good to watch, though you're not gonnna learn too much given his playstyle. Stephano is better then those 4 zergs that you mentioned. No he's not, but being he's so overhyped I can definitely see why people would be mislead to believe that. just objectively speaking, he wins 90% on eu gm, 70% on kr gm and basically gets to the finals of every tournament he enters. It's not really overhyped, its just flat out true. He shits on almost everyone It is overhyped when the lemmings screech how he's the best in the world, or could be the best in the world. Which is what most people are pissed about. Obviously he's better than IdrA atm and anyone saying otherwise isn't really watching the game. | ||
Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On March 08 2012 08:44 hunts wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 08:41 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 08:38 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 08:36 n0ave wrote: On March 08 2012 08:34 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote: Stephano's stream - 10k views MKP's stream - 1,7k views Destiny's stream - 1,6k views He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon I'm not a big fan, but I watched because the zergs that are better than him weren't streaming (idra/sen/sleep/violet) He's still good to watch, though you're not gonnna learn too much given his playstyle. Stephano is better then those 4 zergs that you mentioned. No he's not, but being he's so overhyped I can definitely see why people would be mislead to believe that. He's tangible better. By prize money, by ELO, by # of wins, by head-to-head. Maybe Sen is in the discussion , the rest are hardly arguable. If you wouldn't mind providing evidence and not trolling anymore, it would be nice. But again, with how overhyped stephano is I can see why people would be mislead to believe he's that great. And comparing prize money to players that were in GSL is silly. GSL is the hardest tournament in the world, in which Idra has spent 4 or so months playing, sen 3, and I'm not sure how many seasons sleep and violet were in GSL. Unless you're one of the lucky few you make very little money in GSL and even getting to code S like Idra and sen did (originally, not the seed they recently got) is much more difficult than winning some foreign tourney. That was so long ago as to be irrelevant. Back then FruitDealer was the best Zerg and Tester was the best Protoss. Neither player are of consequence today. Stephano is not scientifically better than IdrA, but in results he has out-stripped IdrA for the better part of a year, even though IdrA attended more big tournaments than he did. Denying this tells me you're not rational, in which case debate is worthless. Until IdrA starts winning again he is not a top foreign Zerg as far as results are concerned. | ||
TaKemE
Denmark1045 Posts
On March 08 2012 08:44 hunts wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 08:41 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 08:38 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 08:36 n0ave wrote: On March 08 2012 08:34 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote: Stephano's stream - 10k views MKP's stream - 1,7k views Destiny's stream - 1,6k views He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon I'm not a big fan, but I watched because the zergs that are better than him weren't streaming (idra/sen/sleep/violet) He's still good to watch, though you're not gonnna learn too much given his playstyle. Stephano is better then those 4 zergs that you mentioned. No he's not, but being he's so overhyped I can definitely see why people would be mislead to believe that. He's tangible better. By prize money, by ELO, by # of wins, by head-to-head. Maybe Sen is in the discussion , the rest are hardly arguable. If you wouldn't mind providing evidence and not trolling anymore, it would be nice. But again, with how overhyped stephano is I can see why people would be mislead to believe he's that great. And comparing prize money to players that were in GSL is silly. GSL is the hardest tournament in the world, in which Idra has spent 4 or so months playing, sen 3, and I'm not sure how many seasons sleep and violet were in GSL. Unless you're one of the lucky few you make very little money in GSL and even getting to code S like Idra and sen did (originally, not the seed they recently got) is much more difficult than winning some foreign tourney. I think your the only troll here, you wanted to start this who is better argument or you wouldnt have said they were better in the first place. Sen never got into GSL but was given an invite same as Idra(last gsl). Its years ago Idra did well in GSL, your skill one year ago says nothing about your skill today. | ||
Titorelli
2492 Posts
On March 08 2012 08:44 hunts wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 08:41 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 08:38 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 08:36 n0ave wrote: On March 08 2012 08:34 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote: Stephano's stream - 10k views MKP's stream - 1,7k views Destiny's stream - 1,6k views He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon I'm not a big fan, but I watched because the zergs that are better than him weren't streaming (idra/sen/sleep/violet) He's still good to watch, though you're not gonnna learn too much given his playstyle. Stephano is better then those 4 zergs that you mentioned. No he's not, but being he's so overhyped I can definitely see why people would be mislead to believe that. He's tangible better. By prize money, by ELO, by # of wins, by head-to-head. Maybe Sen is in the discussion , the rest are hardly arguable. If you wouldn't mind providing evidence and not trolling anymore, it would be nice. But again, with how overhyped stephano is I can see why people would be mislead to believe he's that great. And comparing prize money to players that were in GSL is silly. GSL is the hardest tournament in the world, in which Idra has spent 4 or so months playing, sen 3, and I'm not sure how many seasons sleep and violet were in GSL. Unless you're one of the lucky few you make very little money in GSL and even getting to code S like Idra and sen did (originally, not the seed they recently got) is much more difficult than winning some foreign tourney. you're completely right. Idra has proven is skill the last few tournaments like GSL, MLG and this IEM WC. Btw, for stupid people: this was sarcasm | ||
Ylrahc
France496 Posts
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
On March 08 2012 08:16 lastshadow wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 07:58 dragonborn wrote: On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote: Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you. It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances. Juan? thats major guy not even pass round 1 in EWM, right? also lets talk about mechanics, in your world IdrA is the best zerg with best mechanics, but he is keep losing to eu players. WHY? because mechanics isnt everything in sc2. SjoW with 80 apm and superior to Major, and stephano superior to IdrA in every way. good ol' lastshadow. I said idra has the best overall mechanics for Zerg for foreigners, which is true. I've said DRG has the best overall mechanics for Zerg, in the world, which is true. Did you just bring up EWM? Then bring up every other top korean that also dropped in round 1, oh now you just look silly, guess you didn't consider that. I never said Stephano was bad, again, he's a great player, infact his egg-mechanic is something to be admired (many koreans gave up trying to learn in fact), but [overall] his mechanics are worse than IdrAs, what we see stephano be great at is his timings/awareness, which is superior to IdrA's And I'm not even going to comment on your Sjow thing lol. Hotkeying eggs is awesome once you get used to it. You dont need to scroll around looking for your rally'd units then hotkey them. So you can constantly keep watching your army during fights. I even noticed Nestea was hotkeying his eggs when he was steaming the other day. | ||
Chemist
Austria127 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:37 zefreak wrote: Considering that people like Nerchio, Bratok and Bly have reasonably similar winrates, I would have to conclude that EU ladder is really not that tough? well just logic: if more people have very high winrates it gets difficult to have one...so it's the opposit of what you said | ||
mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On March 08 2012 08:44 hunts wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 08:41 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 08:38 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 08:36 n0ave wrote: On March 08 2012 08:34 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote: Stephano's stream - 10k views MKP's stream - 1,7k views Destiny's stream - 1,6k views He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon I'm not a big fan, but I watched because the zergs that are better than him weren't streaming (idra/sen/sleep/violet) He's still good to watch, though you're not gonnna learn too much given his playstyle. Stephano is better then those 4 zergs that you mentioned. No he's not, but being he's so overhyped I can definitely see why people would be mislead to believe that. He's tangible better. By prize money, by ELO, by # of wins, by head-to-head. Maybe Sen is in the discussion , the rest are hardly arguable. If you wouldn't mind providing evidence and not trolling anymore, it would be nice. But again, with how overhyped stephano is I can see why people would be mislead to believe he's that great. And comparing prize money to players that were in GSL is silly. GSL is the hardest tournament in the world, in which Idra has spent 4 or so months playing, sen 3, and I'm not sure how many seasons sleep and violet were in GSL. Unless you're one of the lucky few you make very little money in GSL and even getting to code S like Idra and sen did (originally, not the seed they recently got) is much more difficult than winning some foreign tourney. So you are saying because Idra was better than Stephano 1 year ago (when he was in GSL and it was true) so he is still better today even with around 20% winrate in tournaments, where he dies to nearly every European protoss and terran. On the other hand Stephano did not lose against Protoss in a long while having lately score like 30+:1 (maps). Against terrans he is similarly dominant actually and even when losing (to code S level players) provides good games. Compare that to Idra's series against alive or Kas or whoever. The only matchup where they are "close" is ZvZ and even there Stephano is better. Sleep has no results and Sen did not show any great form recently. I agree with violet, not that he is better but that they are comparable. | ||
thezergk
United States492 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:50 Za7oX wrote: He's non Koreans best shot at winning a GSL. Someone please offer him a fuck load of $$$ to get him over there. well im pretty sure complexity tried, but we all know how that worked out | ||
dragonborn
4781 Posts
On March 08 2012 08:16 lastshadow wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 07:58 dragonborn wrote: On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote: Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you. It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances. Juan? thats major guy not even pass round 1 in EWM, right? also lets talk about mechanics, in your world IdrA is the best zerg with best mechanics, but he is keep losing to eu players. WHY? because mechanics isnt everything in sc2. SjoW with 80 apm and superior to Major, and stephano superior to IdrA in every way. good ol' lastshadow. I said idra has the best overall mechanics for Zerg for foreigners, which is true. I've said DRG has the best overall mechanics for Zerg, in the world, which is true. Did you just bring up EWM? Then bring up every other top korean that also dropped in round 1, oh now you just look silly, guess you didn't consider that. I never said Stephano was bad, again, he's a great player, infact his egg-mechanic is something to be admired (many koreans gave up trying to learn in fact), but [overall] his mechanics are worse than IdrAs, what we see stephano be great at is his timings/awareness, which is superior to IdrA's And I'm not even going to comment on your Sjow thing lol. You are said MajOr is better than Kas/SjoW, which is false. You are said IdrA is better than Stephano and best overall mechanics for foreigner zerg, which is false. You've said top players in EWM, which is false because they are in code S/A. Stephano is the SUPERIOR player to IdrA in every possibly way.IdrA's mechanics was good when first 8 month of starcraft 2, now IdrA isnt something special. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Raleigh who is the highest placed foreigner? Where was MajOr? oh wait, he was busy for losing SEA player JazBas in blizzcon Stop being jealous/ignorant and face with the truth, these players superior to your friends like IdrA/MajOr. | ||
Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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Elean
689 Posts
If you are a crazy fan boy you may want to believe it, but deep down you know it's not true. | ||
ShatterZer0
United States1843 Posts
On March 08 2012 04:52 The_Darkness wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 03:33 Shellshock1122 wrote: On March 08 2012 03:15 The_Darkness wrote: On March 08 2012 02:27 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:25 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:22 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:19 HyDrA_solic wrote: On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote: [quote] But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. and to All the best foreigner players was in Asus only one who was missing was Naniwa im sorry to tell you that You forgot the other foreigners like Idra and huk, who are better than basically every other foreigner that was at asus rog. so who's the best foreigner for you, may I ask? There isn't one right now. Every top foreigner has their moments of brilliance and moments of just getting owned, so far no foreigner has consistently done well enough vs other foreigners or koreans to be considered "top foreigner" haha so what do you have todo to be consistently doing well? I really want to know becuase if it isnt enough what Stephano has done the last 6months then im not sure. The kid wins allmost everything Again, he wins in the underdog tournaments. If he can win an MLG with actual good koreans there, or if he can even qualify for code A in GSL, or win any tournaments with more than just a couple koreans in it, then he can be considered a top foreigner. MKP lost in the qualifiers to Stephano -- he tried out and failed to make it, which speaks to the level of competition, but point taken. IPL 3 had MMA, MKP and a slew of other top Koreans. It is a "grand slam" event for the Starcraft (with far more money at stake than MLGs had at the time) and he won it. Try again, or better yet don't. (I will say that you're doing a good job trolling the forum.) MKP wasn't at IPL3 but it was still an impressive tourney win with several top names. Stephano is a great player. I'm not the biggest fan but a 90% win rate on EU is still impressive MKP lost in the qualifier to Stephano at IPL 3 (and didn't qualify), but point taken. Oh man, have you seen the games? They were absolutely TERRIBLE >.> The lag was a veritable thunderbolt! | ||
johnny123
521 Posts
If you go into stephano's fanpage, you will see some replays of him vs idra (cale) while he was in korea. Stephano never dropped a map against him and even embarrassed him with a masssssssssssss queen push in zvz, 3 games, 3-0. then i heard guys say these guys are better "idra/sen/sleep/violet" . Good joke i say. As said , he already ran circles around idra, The last time stephano and sen meet stephano won. I dont think stephano has ever faced sleep but im sure he would rape him. And the last time stephano meet violet was in IPL3 where he dominated him. Keep bringing them on, haters gonna hate. He is our best | ||
Gevna
France2332 Posts
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Mycotoxin
United States6 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7375 Posts
On March 08 2012 10:00 Gevna wrote: Those kind of threads should really stop, even if mentioning awesome performance is pretty cool, in the case of stephano it always ends into a non-sense war between awful troll of haters, and over-enthusiasm from fanboys. following this logic pretty much 70-80% of the threads shouldnt be opened since they give ground one way or another to debate between biased fans, haters and trolls | ||
dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On March 08 2012 10:09 Geo.Rion wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 10:00 Gevna wrote: Those kind of threads should really stop, even if mentioning awesome performance is pretty cool, in the case of stephano it always ends into a non-sense war between awful troll of haters, and over-enthusiasm from fanboys. following this logic pretty much 70-80% of the threads shouldnt be opened since they give ground one way or another to debate between biased fans, haters and trolls Honestly, Stephano fans are just expressing their admiration and hopes that he'll do great on a larger stage. Few, if any, are saying he's clearly the worlds best. The trolls however, just say silly things. No need to equivocate.... | ||
zJayy962
1363 Posts
On March 08 2012 10:00 johnny123 wrote: obviously nobody can say stephano is the best foreigner indefinitely, However over the last year. Stephano has proved time and time again he is the best foreigner ,anybody saying stuff like idra is better or idra has better mechanics has deluded themselfs with pure bias. If you go into stephano's fanpage, you will see some replays of him vs idra (cale) while he was in korea. Stephano never dropped a map against him and even embarrassed him with a masssssssssssss queen push in zvz, 3 games, 3-0. then i heard guys say these guys are better "idra/sen/sleep/violet" . Good joke i say. As said , he already ran circles around idra, The last time stephano and sen meet stephano won. I dont think stephano has ever faced sleep but im sure he would rape him. And the last time stephano meet violet was in IPL3 where he dominated him. Keep bringing them on, haters gonna hate. He is our best I don't disagree with your point that Stephano MAY be the best foreigner but you should realize that you are only comparing Stephano's zvz with other zergs. That isn't an indication of skill. | ||
Enearde
France265 Posts
On March 08 2012 10:00 Gevna wrote: Those kind of threads should really stop, even if mentioning awesome performance is pretty cool, in the case of stephano it always ends into a non-sense war between awful troll of haters, and over-enthusiasm from fanboys. You're so completely right. Too much hype around a player, then an other one pops out, wins some tourney and here we go again. Please, everyone should try to be at least reasonable, everytime i see someone being hyped like this i can't stop disliking him. Stephano's ladder run is impressive but ladder doesn't mean shit, some pro are not even trying to do good builds, they just build stuff trying to react well and practice mechanics and such. Stephano has done well in many small to medium tournaments but i'll call him the best foreigner when he'll do at least as good as Huk or Jinro. I'm not saying those two are better than him or w/e but they did better than he has. Actually, i don't know if there is a "best foreigner" and i'm pretty sure nobody can win a GSL or even get close to win a GSL. Even a Code A final would be pretty amazing. We all are waiting for a foreigner to step up but that's not gonna happend before sometimes when foreigners will commit themselves in Korea for a long time. Anyway, Gz to Stephano, i hope seing him a bit more in the future. I'm looking forward to MLG colombus. | ||
DarkPlasmaBall
United States42213 Posts
On March 08 2012 10:12 dsousa wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 10:09 Geo.Rion wrote: On March 08 2012 10:00 Gevna wrote: Those kind of threads should really stop, even if mentioning awesome performance is pretty cool, in the case of stephano it always ends into a non-sense war between awful troll of haters, and over-enthusiasm from fanboys. following this logic pretty much 70-80% of the threads shouldnt be opened since they give ground one way or another to debate between biased fans, haters and trolls Honestly, Stephano fans are just expressing their admiration and hopes that he'll do great on a larger stage. Few, if any, are saying he's clearly the worlds best. The trolls however, just say silly things. No need to equivocate.... Yeah, like this silly guy: On March 08 2012 04:09 dsousa wrote: He is the most amazing player in SC2.... he plays the best music on his stream..... and as a zerg fan he is pure win. Stephano is the best viewing experience since Seinfeld went off TV. He could be the best player in the world..... I guess that scares people who are in BW/KR community, because he's so different. What would it mean to the KR scene if a French WC3 player became the Bonjwa..... it hasn't happened yet... but if you've seen Stephano play enough, you know that he has that potential in him. Certainly more than any other foreign player in Starcraft history. There are some insane people on this thread | ||
dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On March 08 2012 10:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 10:12 dsousa wrote: On March 08 2012 10:09 Geo.Rion wrote: On March 08 2012 10:00 Gevna wrote: Those kind of threads should really stop, even if mentioning awesome performance is pretty cool, in the case of stephano it always ends into a non-sense war between awful troll of haters, and over-enthusiasm from fanboys. following this logic pretty much 70-80% of the threads shouldnt be opened since they give ground one way or another to debate between biased fans, haters and trolls Honestly, Stephano fans are just expressing their admiration and hopes that he'll do great on a larger stage. Few, if any, are saying he's clearly the worlds best. The trolls however, just say silly things. No need to equivocate.... Yeah, like this silly guy: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 04:09 dsousa wrote: He is the most amazing player in SC2.... he plays the best music on his stream..... and as a zerg fan he is pure win. Stephano is the best viewing experience since Seinfeld went off TV. He could be the best player in the world..... I guess that scares people who are in BW/KR community, because he's so different. What would it mean to the KR scene if a French WC3 player became the Bonjwa..... it hasn't happened yet... but if you've seen Stephano play enough, you know that he has that potential in him. Certainly more than any other foreign player in Starcraft history. There are some insane people on this thread You win! For now | ||
johnny123
521 Posts
On March 08 2012 10:19 zJayy962 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 10:00 johnny123 wrote: obviously nobody can say stephano is the best foreigner indefinitely, However over the last year. Stephano has proved time and time again he is the best foreigner ,anybody saying stuff like idra is better or idra has better mechanics has deluded themselfs with pure bias. If you go into stephano's fanpage, you will see some replays of him vs idra (cale) while he was in korea. Stephano never dropped a map against him and even embarrassed him with a masssssssssssss queen push in zvz, 3 games, 3-0. then i heard guys say these guys are better "idra/sen/sleep/violet" . Good joke i say. As said , he already ran circles around idra, The last time stephano and sen meet stephano won. I dont think stephano has ever faced sleep but im sure he would rape him. And the last time stephano meet violet was in IPL3 where he dominated him. Keep bringing them on, haters gonna hate. He is our best I don't disagree with your point that Stephano MAY be the best foreigner but you should realize that you are only comparing Stephano's zvz with other zergs. That isn't an indication of skill. let me guess, you are an idra fanboy and you follow his mentality that zvz means nothing because its coinflip and does not prove skill. Yet they are guys out there with over 70% winrate in the matchup. One would wish the coin could have flipped atleast once for idra? , he lost to lucky in gsl, he lost to nestea in gsl, he lost to darkforce yesterday in iem,he lost to nestea in mlg, he can never beat zenio to save his life. Boy that coin should have flipped for him atleast one series. stephano raped lucky in ipl, stephano always beats darkforce on eu ladder, Against nestea i dont know who would win, but it would be close in my opinion between those 2. Only bads say zvz is luck /coinflip | ||
Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
On March 08 2012 09:36 Elean wrote: Saying that Idra is better than Stephano, is just like sayiing that Stephano is better than DRG. If you are a crazy fan boy you may want to believe it, but deep down you know it's not true. 100% | ||
hunts
United States2113 Posts
On March 08 2012 10:12 dsousa wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 10:09 Geo.Rion wrote: On March 08 2012 10:00 Gevna wrote: Those kind of threads should really stop, even if mentioning awesome performance is pretty cool, in the case of stephano it always ends into a non-sense war between awful troll of haters, and over-enthusiasm from fanboys. following this logic pretty much 70-80% of the threads shouldnt be opened since they give ground one way or another to debate between biased fans, haters and trolls Honestly, Stephano fans are just expressing their admiration and hopes that he'll do great on a larger stage. Few, if any, are saying he's clearly the worlds best. The trolls however, just say silly things. No need to equivocate.... Honestly, the people doubtful of stephanos skill are just expressing their admiration of better players and hopes that they'll do great on a large scale. The trolls however, call him the best, or the next flash. | ||
LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
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IceSlipper
Australia1028 Posts
I think thats why he creates so many heated discussions.. If you look at the other foreigners who people had high hopes for mixing it up with the koreans, off the top of my head (and IMO) you have: jinro - love the guy, and the dude was beasting early on but has fallen from grace and been largely non-competitive with the high level koreans since, heres hoping he gets it together again! huk - probably the most consistant (in terms of battling koreans over the life of sc2), but has also made a fall from grace recently, still a boss and probably the best foreigner but i think people are losing hopes of him winning that gsl title.. idra - not much needs to be said about idra.. at one point he was scary and people thought it was only his mentality holding him back.. now hes barely competitive in tournaments and even finishing below eu/na opponents in group stages.. naniwa - robbed of opportunity due to gom revoking his seed but other than that, people had huge hopes for naniwa and he really hasnt performed or shown any results during his time in korea.. (still hoping he can/will rectify this!) sen - in fairness to sen, when he's been in korea i think hes been moderately successful, but the guy just hasnt been seen as often as needed to definitively say hes the great non-korean hope.. and then you have (apologies for missing anyone as this is just off the top of my head real quick) Stephano, who has been on a steady rise for quite some time now, dominating foreigners and showing he can mix it up with the koreans.. which is why i think he is the only current hope for the foreign community that one of 'their guys' can be the dominant force in sc2.. | ||
XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
Stephano needs to get his butt back in Korea and take on the GSL. It was the most entertaining stream i've ever watched Stephano vs Koreans. | ||
zJayy962
1363 Posts
On March 08 2012 10:38 johnny123 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 10:19 zJayy962 wrote: On March 08 2012 10:00 johnny123 wrote: obviously nobody can say stephano is the best foreigner indefinitely, However over the last year. Stephano has proved time and time again he is the best foreigner ,anybody saying stuff like idra is better or idra has better mechanics has deluded themselfs with pure bias. If you go into stephano's fanpage, you will see some replays of him vs idra (cale) while he was in korea. Stephano never dropped a map against him and even embarrassed him with a masssssssssssss queen push in zvz, 3 games, 3-0. then i heard guys say these guys are better "idra/sen/sleep/violet" . Good joke i say. As said , he already ran circles around idra, The last time stephano and sen meet stephano won. I dont think stephano has ever faced sleep but im sure he would rape him. And the last time stephano meet violet was in IPL3 where he dominated him. Keep bringing them on, haters gonna hate. He is our best I don't disagree with your point that Stephano MAY be the best foreigner but you should realize that you are only comparing Stephano's zvz with other zergs. That isn't an indication of skill. let me guess, you are an idra fanboy and you follow his mentality that zvz means nothing because its coinflip and does not prove skill. Yet they are guys out there with over 70% winrate in the matchup. One would wish the coin could have flipped atleast once for idra? , he lost to lucky in gsl, he lost to nestea in gsl, he lost to darkforce yesterday in iem,he lost to nestea in mlg, he can never beat zenio to save his life. Boy that coin should have flipped for him atleast one series. stephano raped lucky in ipl, stephano always beats darkforce on eu ladder, Against nestea i dont know who would win, but it would be close in my opinion between those 2. Only bads say zvz is luck /coinflip Jumping to too many conclusions with a rather hostile post. What does IdrA have to do with me disagreeing that Stephano is the undisputed best foreigner? Stop being a dick and read the post I made compared to the post I was quoting. | ||
magha
Netherlands427 Posts
He always goes hatch first vs Terran with minimal scouting, what if they bunker rush and/or 2 racks pressure him? Versus Protoss he usually hatches his second expansion before he even scouted past the forge/wall, he doesn't even know if there's actually a nexus behind it and doesnt really scout for potential 4 gates or whatever. I see him droning blindly with like 4 speedless zerglings... Why don't people punish him for his greediness more? I understand the meta game shifted the past few months and the game is much less cheesy now, but still, how can he defend it if he doesnt scout it? | ||
latan
740 Posts
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On March 09 2012 00:49 magha wrote: I haven't played for over half a year so watching Stephanos stream and replays really confuses me. He always goes hatch first vs Terran with minimal scouting, what if they bunker rush and/or 2 racks pressure him? Versus Protoss he usually hatches his second expansion before he even scouted past the forge/wall, he doesn't even know if there's actually a nexus behind it and doesnt really scout for potential 4 gates or whatever. I see him droning blindly with like 4 speedless zerglings... Why don't people punish him for his greediness more? I understand the meta game shifted the past few months and the game is much less cheesy now, but still, how can he defend it if he doesnt scout it? He defends Bunker Rushs like a boss. Yesterday he defeats a one base push 3 tanks tons of marines with nothing. It was godly, the best hold I ever seen. | ||
HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
On March 09 2012 00:49 magha wrote: I haven't played for over half a year so watching Stephanos stream and replays really confuses me. He always goes hatch first vs Terran with minimal scouting, what if they bunker rush and/or 2 racks pressure him? Versus Protoss he usually hatches his second expansion before he even scouted past the forge/wall, he doesn't even know if there's actually a nexus behind it and doesnt really scout for potential 4 gates or whatever. I see him droning blindly with like 4 speedless zerglings... Why don't people punish him for his greediness more? I understand the meta game shifted the past few months and the game is much less cheesy now, but still, how can he defend it if he doesnt scout it? That is why everyone who tries to copy Stephano fails: they just die, whereas he somehow almost never loses to early attacks, no matter the lack of scouting and units, it's really strange when you watch him stream really. | ||
Purple Haze
United Kingdom200 Posts
On March 09 2012 00:49 magha wrote: I haven't played for over half a year so watching Stephanos stream and replays really confuses me. He always goes hatch first vs Terran with minimal scouting, what if they bunker rush and/or 2 racks pressure him? Versus Protoss he usually hatches his second expansion before he even scouted past the forge/wall, he doesn't even know if there's actually a nexus behind it and doesnt really scout for potential 4 gates or whatever. I see him droning blindly with like 4 speedless zerglings... Why don't people punish him for his greediness more? I understand the meta game shifted the past few months and the game is much less cheesy now, but still, how can he defend it if he doesnt scout it? He's incredibly active with those 4 slow lings though, constantly searching for proxies, poking the protoss base and making sure there's nothing leaving it. And his defence is incredible, he can do things with a queen and a handful of slow lings that you wouldn't believe. | ||
dragonborn
4781 Posts
Original Message From lastshadow: again you coorelate a few tournament matches to actual skill. I wanna take the time to point out you cant see things in peoples play the way I and other top players can, this is why you never see top players name drop Kas above major (oh i guess you didnt realize this), you also see Ret even say Stephano is the best zerg, but idra is still the best mechanics (just like I'm saying). I want to also take the time to say you're a fucking retard, point blank, because obviously if you had any perception about this game, you probably wouldn't be as bad as you must be at the game to talk so ignorantly about tournament results that don't even really matter anymore (your words) in your defense for 'sjow/kas/stephano' There's a reason Juan is about to join a Korean team, there's also a reason he's the only foreign Terran that has ever hit GM on Korea with very high-winrate (before his MMR tank to achieve mutalisk portrait). And I'm sorry dear, but GM on Korea means something, unlike the other servers. Now I remember why no pro players almost ever argue or post, and the ones that do (IdrA, etc) are all point blank to openly call people like you retarded. Oh well. i hope this guy never gets enough respect from community, such a disrespectul and ignorant person. | ||
Recognizable
Netherlands1552 Posts
On March 09 2012 01:08 HaXXspetten wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 00:49 magha wrote: I haven't played for over half a year so watching Stephanos stream and replays really confuses me. He always goes hatch first vs Terran with minimal scouting, what if they bunker rush and/or 2 racks pressure him? Versus Protoss he usually hatches his second expansion before he even scouted past the forge/wall, he doesn't even know if there's actually a nexus behind it and doesnt really scout for potential 4 gates or whatever. I see him droning blindly with like 4 speedless zerglings... Why don't people punish him for his greediness more? I understand the meta game shifted the past few months and the game is much less cheesy now, but still, how can he defend it if he doesnt scout it? That is why everyone who tries to copy Stephano fails: they just die, whereas he somehow almost never loses to early attacks, no matter the lack of scouting and units, it's really strange when you watch him stream really. This, it makes him retardedly strong. He takes 3rd at minute 6 in ZvT and has 70 drones ate minute 11 whilst he only scout the 3rd and 4th gas timing, yet he could defend any hellion marine medivac aggression easily. Great to watch. | ||
RinconH
United States512 Posts
On March 09 2012 01:55 dragonborn wrote: Look, what lastshadow send me via pm Show nested quote + Original Message From lastshadow: again you coorelate a few tournament matches to actual skill. I wanna take the time to point out you cant see things in peoples play the way I and other top players can, this is why you never see top players name drop Kas above major (oh i guess you didnt realize this), you also see Ret even say Stephano is the best zerg, but idra is still the best mechanics (just like I'm saying). I want to also take the time to say you're a fucking retard, point blank, because obviously if you had any perception about this game, you probably wouldn't be as bad as you must be at the game to talk so ignorantly about tournament results that don't even really matter anymore (your words) in your defense for 'sjow/kas/stephano' There's a reason Juan is about to join a Korean team, there's also a reason he's the only foreign Terran that has ever hit GM on Korea with very high-winrate (before his MMR tank to achieve mutalisk portrait). And I'm sorry dear, but GM on Korea means something, unlike the other servers. Now I remember why no pro players almost ever argue or post, and the ones that do (IdrA, etc) are all point blank to openly call people like you retarded. Oh well. i hope this guy never gets enough respect from community, such a disrespectul and ignorant person. Yah, weak. If he feels that way just post it publicly. | ||
Sated
England4983 Posts
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
On March 09 2012 01:55 dragonborn wrote: Look, what lastshadow send me via pm Show nested quote + Original Message From lastshadow: again you coorelate a few tournament matches to actual skill. I wanna take the time to point out you cant see things in peoples play the way I and other top players can, this is why you never see top players name drop Kas above major (oh i guess you didnt realize this), you also see Ret even say Stephano is the best zerg, but idra is still the best mechanics (just like I'm saying). I want to also take the time to say you're a fucking retard, point blank, because obviously if you had any perception about this game, you probably wouldn't be as bad as you must be at the game to talk so ignorantly about tournament results that don't even really matter anymore (your words) in your defense for 'sjow/kas/stephano' There's a reason Juan is about to join a Korean team, there's also a reason he's the only foreign Terran that has ever hit GM on Korea with very high-winrate (before his MMR tank to achieve mutalisk portrait). And I'm sorry dear, but GM on Korea means something, unlike the other servers. Now I remember why no pro players almost ever argue or post, and the ones that do (IdrA, etc) are all point blank to openly call people like you retarded. Oh well. i hope this guy never gets enough respect from community, such a disrespectul and ignorant person. Yes, and by posting his _PM_ public makes you any better. You are like the biggest lastshadow and MajOr hater on this forum. You are shitting on them and making dumb statements whenever you get the chance to. The only ignorant person here is you, just talking shit is all you do. | ||
dragonborn
4781 Posts
On March 09 2012 02:04 Gosi wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 01:55 dragonborn wrote: Look, what lastshadow send me via pm Original Message From lastshadow: again you coorelate a few tournament matches to actual skill. I wanna take the time to point out you cant see things in peoples play the way I and other top players can, this is why you never see top players name drop Kas above major (oh i guess you didnt realize this), you also see Ret even say Stephano is the best zerg, but idra is still the best mechanics (just like I'm saying). I want to also take the time to say you're a fucking retard, point blank, because obviously if you had any perception about this game, you probably wouldn't be as bad as you must be at the game to talk so ignorantly about tournament results that don't even really matter anymore (your words) in your defense for 'sjow/kas/stephano' There's a reason Juan is about to join a Korean team, there's also a reason he's the only foreign Terran that has ever hit GM on Korea with very high-winrate (before his MMR tank to achieve mutalisk portrait). And I'm sorry dear, but GM on Korea means something, unlike the other servers. Now I remember why no pro players almost ever argue or post, and the ones that do (IdrA, etc) are all point blank to openly call people like you retarded. Oh well. i hope this guy never gets enough respect from community, such a disrespectul and ignorant person. Yes, and by posting his _PM_ public makes you any better. You are like the biggest lastshadow and MajOr hater on this forum. You are shitting on them and making dumb statements whenever you get the chance to. The only ignorant person here is you, just talking shit is all you do. what are you talking about? His character isnt strong enough for sending this public. On March 09 2012 02:01 RinconH wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 01:55 dragonborn wrote: Look, what lastshadow send me via pm Original Message From lastshadow: again you coorelate a few tournament matches to actual skill. I wanna take the time to point out you cant see things in peoples play the way I and other top players can, this is why you never see top players name drop Kas above major (oh i guess you didnt realize this), you also see Ret even say Stephano is the best zerg, but idra is still the best mechanics (just like I'm saying). I want to also take the time to say you're a fucking retard, point blank, because obviously if you had any perception about this game, you probably wouldn't be as bad as you must be at the game to talk so ignorantly about tournament results that don't even really matter anymore (your words) in your defense for 'sjow/kas/stephano' There's a reason Juan is about to join a Korean team, there's also a reason he's the only foreign Terran that has ever hit GM on Korea with very high-winrate (before his MMR tank to achieve mutalisk portrait). And I'm sorry dear, but GM on Korea means something, unlike the other servers. Now I remember why no pro players almost ever argue or post, and the ones that do (IdrA, etc) are all point blank to openly call people like you retarded. Oh well. i hope this guy never gets enough respect from community, such a disrespectul and ignorant person. Yah, weak. If he feels that way just post it publicly. i have no shame for sending this here, because his personality isnt good enough for giving me answer in public. | ||
SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On March 09 2012 02:06 dragonborn wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 02:04 Gosi wrote: On March 09 2012 01:55 dragonborn wrote: Look, what lastshadow send me via pm Original Message From lastshadow: again you coorelate a few tournament matches to actual skill. I wanna take the time to point out you cant see things in peoples play the way I and other top players can, this is why you never see top players name drop Kas above major (oh i guess you didnt realize this), you also see Ret even say Stephano is the best zerg, but idra is still the best mechanics (just like I'm saying). I want to also take the time to say you're a fucking retard, point blank, because obviously if you had any perception about this game, you probably wouldn't be as bad as you must be at the game to talk so ignorantly about tournament results that don't even really matter anymore (your words) in your defense for 'sjow/kas/stephano' There's a reason Juan is about to join a Korean team, there's also a reason he's the only foreign Terran that has ever hit GM on Korea with very high-winrate (before his MMR tank to achieve mutalisk portrait). And I'm sorry dear, but GM on Korea means something, unlike the other servers. Now I remember why no pro players almost ever argue or post, and the ones that do (IdrA, etc) are all point blank to openly call people like you retarded. Oh well. i hope this guy never gets enough respect from community, such a disrespectul and ignorant person. Yes, and by posting his _PM_ public makes you any better. You are like the biggest lastshadow and MajOr hater on this forum. You are shitting on them and making dumb statements whenever you get the chance to. The only ignorant person here is you, just talking shit is all you do. what are you talking about? His character isnt strong enough for sending this public. Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 02:01 RinconH wrote: On March 09 2012 01:55 dragonborn wrote: Look, what lastshadow send me via pm Original Message From lastshadow: again you coorelate a few tournament matches to actual skill. I wanna take the time to point out you cant see things in peoples play the way I and other top players can, this is why you never see top players name drop Kas above major (oh i guess you didnt realize this), you also see Ret even say Stephano is the best zerg, but idra is still the best mechanics (just like I'm saying). I want to also take the time to say you're a fucking retard, point blank, because obviously if you had any perception about this game, you probably wouldn't be as bad as you must be at the game to talk so ignorantly about tournament results that don't even really matter anymore (your words) in your defense for 'sjow/kas/stephano' There's a reason Juan is about to join a Korean team, there's also a reason he's the only foreign Terran that has ever hit GM on Korea with very high-winrate (before his MMR tank to achieve mutalisk portrait). And I'm sorry dear, but GM on Korea means something, unlike the other servers. Now I remember why no pro players almost ever argue or post, and the ones that do (IdrA, etc) are all point blank to openly call people like you retarded. Oh well. i hope this guy never gets enough respect from community, such a disrespectul and ignorant person. Yah, weak. If he feels that way just post it publicly. i have no shame for sending this here, because his personality isnt good enough for giving me answer in public. Nice ninja edit. For those wondering, dragonborn said that lastshadow deserved it because he was a cheater in SC1. I wondered how long it would take for dragonborn to bring that up. Looks like he doesn't have the strength of character to keep his opinion posted up, though. | ||
Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
On March 09 2012 02:06 dragonborn wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 02:04 Gosi wrote: On March 09 2012 01:55 dragonborn wrote: Look, what lastshadow send me via pm Original Message From lastshadow: again you coorelate a few tournament matches to actual skill. I wanna take the time to point out you cant see things in peoples play the way I and other top players can, this is why you never see top players name drop Kas above major (oh i guess you didnt realize this), you also see Ret even say Stephano is the best zerg, but idra is still the best mechanics (just like I'm saying). I want to also take the time to say you're a fucking retard, point blank, because obviously if you had any perception about this game, you probably wouldn't be as bad as you must be at the game to talk so ignorantly about tournament results that don't even really matter anymore (your words) in your defense for 'sjow/kas/stephano' There's a reason Juan is about to join a Korean team, there's also a reason he's the only foreign Terran that has ever hit GM on Korea with very high-winrate (before his MMR tank to achieve mutalisk portrait). And I'm sorry dear, but GM on Korea means something, unlike the other servers. Now I remember why no pro players almost ever argue or post, and the ones that do (IdrA, etc) are all point blank to openly call people like you retarded. Oh well. i hope this guy never gets enough respect from community, such a disrespectul and ignorant person. Yes, and by posting his _PM_ public makes you any better. You are like the biggest lastshadow and MajOr hater on this forum. You are shitting on them and making dumb statements whenever you get the chance to. The only ignorant person here is you, just talking shit is all you do. what are you talking about? lastshadow isnt a "wise guy", he is a cheater from sc1.Also his character isnt strong enough for sending this public. Maybe because it doesn't add anything to the discussion and is off topic? And some things were ment to not go public (like major joining a korean team, but that wasn't so hard to understand but still). But yeah you got your chance to throw some shit, and of course you took it. And didn't lastshadow cheat like 4-5 years ago? He got banned, and teamliquid forgave him and thats why he is here now. Let it go already. He may be a cheater forever in your eyes but he is a better sc2 player than any of us will probably ever be and by being in korea and have the conections he got you shouldn't be bitching about what he says when he got the better insight of things than you. EDIT: Funny how you bring up strong character and you can't even stand for things you say yourself. Hmm,,, | ||
johnny123
521 Posts
anyway, i dont think anybody here is claiming stephano is the best player ever, all we are saying is he is the best forigener, i personally think MMA /DRG and numerous korean terrans will stomp stephano to the ground. But that doesnt mean hes not the best foreigner, only close contender might be huk, but stephano has proven time and time again he owns huk really bad in zvp. , Huk cannot beat stephano. Only foreigner i can say stands a chance against stephano is naniwa. | ||
Cokefreak
Finland8094 Posts
On March 09 2012 02:06 dragonborn wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 02:04 Gosi wrote: On March 09 2012 01:55 dragonborn wrote: Look, what lastshadow send me via pm Original Message From lastshadow: again you coorelate a few tournament matches to actual skill. I wanna take the time to point out you cant see things in peoples play the way I and other top players can, this is why you never see top players name drop Kas above major (oh i guess you didnt realize this), you also see Ret even say Stephano is the best zerg, but idra is still the best mechanics (just like I'm saying). I want to also take the time to say you're a fucking retard, point blank, because obviously if you had any perception about this game, you probably wouldn't be as bad as you must be at the game to talk so ignorantly about tournament results that don't even really matter anymore (your words) in your defense for 'sjow/kas/stephano' There's a reason Juan is about to join a Korean team, there's also a reason he's the only foreign Terran that has ever hit GM on Korea with very high-winrate (before his MMR tank to achieve mutalisk portrait). And I'm sorry dear, but GM on Korea means something, unlike the other servers. Now I remember why no pro players almost ever argue or post, and the ones that do (IdrA, etc) are all point blank to openly call people like you retarded. Oh well. i hope this guy never gets enough respect from community, such a disrespectul and ignorant person. Yes, and by posting his _PM_ public makes you any better. You are like the biggest lastshadow and MajOr hater on this forum. You are shitting on them and making dumb statements whenever you get the chance to. The only ignorant person here is you, just talking shit is all you do. what are you talking about? His character isnt strong enough for sending this public. Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 02:01 RinconH wrote: On March 09 2012 01:55 dragonborn wrote: Look, what lastshadow send me via pm Original Message From lastshadow: again you coorelate a few tournament matches to actual skill. I wanna take the time to point out you cant see things in peoples play the way I and other top players can, this is why you never see top players name drop Kas above major (oh i guess you didnt realize this), you also see Ret even say Stephano is the best zerg, but idra is still the best mechanics (just like I'm saying). I want to also take the time to say you're a fucking retard, point blank, because obviously if you had any perception about this game, you probably wouldn't be as bad as you must be at the game to talk so ignorantly about tournament results that don't even really matter anymore (your words) in your defense for 'sjow/kas/stephano' There's a reason Juan is about to join a Korean team, there's also a reason he's the only foreign Terran that has ever hit GM on Korea with very high-winrate (before his MMR tank to achieve mutalisk portrait). And I'm sorry dear, but GM on Korea means something, unlike the other servers. Now I remember why no pro players almost ever argue or post, and the ones that do (IdrA, etc) are all point blank to openly call people like you retarded. Oh well. i hope this guy never gets enough respect from community, such a disrespectul and ignorant person. Yah, weak. If he feels that way just post it publicly. i have no shame for sending this here, because his personality isnt good enough for giving me answer in public. Or maybe, just maybe he didn't want to derail this topic about Stephano any further | ||
Gentso
United States2218 Posts
On March 09 2012 01:08 HaXXspetten wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 00:49 magha wrote: I haven't played for over half a year so watching Stephanos stream and replays really confuses me. He always goes hatch first vs Terran with minimal scouting, what if they bunker rush and/or 2 racks pressure him? Versus Protoss he usually hatches his second expansion before he even scouted past the forge/wall, he doesn't even know if there's actually a nexus behind it and doesnt really scout for potential 4 gates or whatever. I see him droning blindly with like 4 speedless zerglings... Why don't people punish him for his greediness more? I understand the meta game shifted the past few months and the game is much less cheesy now, but still, how can he defend it if he doesnt scout it? That is why everyone who tries to copy Stephano fails: they just die, whereas he somehow almost never loses to early attacks, no matter the lack of scouting and units, it's really strange when you watch him stream really. I watched his stream and when he explained his thought process things seemed so clear. Most pros are okay at reading what the opponent is doing but Stephano can figure out what the opponent is doing pretty much every time because he knows where to look and when. Also, he doens't lose to blink stalker timings because he explained his roach micro against it. He just rushes up to the stalkers to force blink and then attack, heh. | ||
Drake
Germany6146 Posts
ps: this "if it isnt korea its not intresting/impressive talking is SOOO boring guys ... world isnt korea only" | ||
Benjamin80
581 Posts
On March 09 2012 02:14 johnny123 wrote: i dunno who this last shadow guy is, but i have a feeling hes pretty jealous of stephano :D , This is a guy that has only been korea for 2 weeks and is feared at every tournament he goes to. And all this lastshadow can talk about is juan and his finally making it to grandmaster accomplishments. Stephano will shit all over juan, Puma is in korea grandmaster as well. Guess what the score was at assembly, 3-0 lol. anyway, i dont think anybody here is claiming stephano is the best player ever, all we are saying is he is the best forigener, i personally think MMA /DRG and numerous korean terrans will stomp stephano to the ground. But that doesnt mean hes not the best foreigner, only close contender might be huk, but stephano has proven time and time again he owns huk really bad in zvp. , Huk cannot beat stephano. Only foreigner i can say stands a chance against stephano is naniwa. Lastshadow is a former BW player that thinks former foreigner BW players got the best mechanics therefore they must be the best in sc2. o.0 Quite hillarious considering the players who dominate the top foriegn scene are all wc3 pro´s. (Stephano/Naniwa/Thorzain) Fact is the foreigner BW players was amateurs compared to the wc 3 players and it shows in sc2 aswell. | ||
Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On March 09 2012 02:19 CoR wrote: he is like kas, his playstyle isnt beatable from ladderplayers, he have a harder time if the enemy can prepare for him ps: this "if it isnt korea its not intresting/impressive talking is SOOO boring guys ... world isnt korea only" World isn't Korea only but when people say he's the best player in the world, when he never had great(or any) success in the GSL make people say that | ||
Benjamin80
581 Posts
On March 09 2012 02:16 Gentso wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 01:08 HaXXspetten wrote: On March 09 2012 00:49 magha wrote: I haven't played for over half a year so watching Stephanos stream and replays really confuses me. He always goes hatch first vs Terran with minimal scouting, what if they bunker rush and/or 2 racks pressure him? Versus Protoss he usually hatches his second expansion before he even scouted past the forge/wall, he doesn't even know if there's actually a nexus behind it and doesnt really scout for potential 4 gates or whatever. I see him droning blindly with like 4 speedless zerglings... Why don't people punish him for his greediness more? I understand the meta game shifted the past few months and the game is much less cheesy now, but still, how can he defend it if he doesnt scout it? That is why everyone who tries to copy Stephano fails: they just die, whereas he somehow almost never loses to early attacks, no matter the lack of scouting and units, it's really strange when you watch him stream really. I watched his stream and when he explained his thought process things seemed so clear. Most pros are okay at reading what the opponent is doing but Stephano can figure out what the opponent is doing pretty much every time because he knows where to look and when. Also, he doens't lose to blink stalker timings because he explained his roach micro against it. He just rushes up to the stalkers to force blink and then attack, heh. He does scout just not like other players. Stephano dont have to see the buildings etc. What he does is he check 3rd and 4th gas and check how much gas has been mined. And then he knows eaxctly what his opponent is doing | ||
dragonborn
4781 Posts
On March 09 2012 02:14 Gosi wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 02:06 dragonborn wrote: On March 09 2012 02:04 Gosi wrote: On March 09 2012 01:55 dragonborn wrote: Look, what lastshadow send me via pm Original Message From lastshadow: again you coorelate a few tournament matches to actual skill. I wanna take the time to point out you cant see things in peoples play the way I and other top players can, this is why you never see top players name drop Kas above major (oh i guess you didnt realize this), you also see Ret even say Stephano is the best zerg, but idra is still the best mechanics (just like I'm saying). I want to also take the time to say you're a fucking retard, point blank, because obviously if you had any perception about this game, you probably wouldn't be as bad as you must be at the game to talk so ignorantly about tournament results that don't even really matter anymore (your words) in your defense for 'sjow/kas/stephano' There's a reason Juan is about to join a Korean team, there's also a reason he's the only foreign Terran that has ever hit GM on Korea with very high-winrate (before his MMR tank to achieve mutalisk portrait). And I'm sorry dear, but GM on Korea means something, unlike the other servers. Now I remember why no pro players almost ever argue or post, and the ones that do (IdrA, etc) are all point blank to openly call people like you retarded. Oh well. i hope this guy never gets enough respect from community, such a disrespectul and ignorant person. Yes, and by posting his _PM_ public makes you any better. You are like the biggest lastshadow and MajOr hater on this forum. You are shitting on them and making dumb statements whenever you get the chance to. The only ignorant person here is you, just talking shit is all you do. what are you talking about? lastshadow isnt a "wise guy", he is a cheater from sc1.Also his character isnt strong enough for sending this public. Maybe because it doesn't add anything to the discussion and is off topic? And some things were ment to not go public (like major joining a korean team, but that wasn't so hard to understand but still). But yeah you got your chance to throw some shit, and of course you took it. And didn't lastshadow cheat like 4-5 years ago? He got banned, and teamliquid forgave him and thats why he is here now. Let it go already. He may be a cheater forever in your eyes but he is a better sc2 player than any of us will probably ever be and by being in korea and have the conections he got you shouldn't be bitching about what he says when he got the better insight of things than you. EDIT: Funny how you bring up strong character and you can't even stand for things you say yourself. Hmm,,, stop being fanboy, i can stand behind every word i said. and like i said, lastshadow isnt a "wise-person".I know you are his friend but stop it. On March 09 2012 02:14 johnny123 wrote: i dunno who this last shadow guy is, but i have a feeling hes pretty jealous of stephano :D , This is a guy that has only been korea for 2 weeks and is feared at every tournament he goes to. And all this lastshadow can talk about is juan and his finally making it to grandmaster accomplishments. Stephano will shit all over juan, Puma is in korea grandmaster as well. Guess what the score was at assembly, 3-0 lol. anyway, i dont think anybody here is claiming stephano is the best player ever, all we are saying is he is the best forigener, i personally think MMA /DRG and numerous korean terrans will stomp stephano to the ground. But that doesnt mean hes not the best foreigner, only close contender might be huk, but stephano has proven time and time again he owns huk really bad in zvp. , Huk cannot beat stephano. Only foreigner i can say stands a chance against stephano is naniwa. yes, he is jealous.Lastshadow already said wc3 players isnt good enough for beating bw pros, because of their mechanics. | ||
Benjamin80
581 Posts
On March 09 2012 02:24 dragonborn wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 02:14 Gosi wrote: On March 09 2012 02:06 dragonborn wrote: On March 09 2012 02:04 Gosi wrote: On March 09 2012 01:55 dragonborn wrote: Look, what lastshadow send me via pm Original Message From lastshadow: again you coorelate a few tournament matches to actual skill. I wanna take the time to point out you cant see things in peoples play the way I and other top players can, this is why you never see top players name drop Kas above major (oh i guess you didnt realize this), you also see Ret even say Stephano is the best zerg, but idra is still the best mechanics (just like I'm saying). I want to also take the time to say you're a fucking retard, point blank, because obviously if you had any perception about this game, you probably wouldn't be as bad as you must be at the game to talk so ignorantly about tournament results that don't even really matter anymore (your words) in your defense for 'sjow/kas/stephano' There's a reason Juan is about to join a Korean team, there's also a reason he's the only foreign Terran that has ever hit GM on Korea with very high-winrate (before his MMR tank to achieve mutalisk portrait). And I'm sorry dear, but GM on Korea means something, unlike the other servers. Now I remember why no pro players almost ever argue or post, and the ones that do (IdrA, etc) are all point blank to openly call people like you retarded. Oh well. i hope this guy never gets enough respect from community, such a disrespectul and ignorant person. Yes, and by posting his _PM_ public makes you any better. You are like the biggest lastshadow and MajOr hater on this forum. You are shitting on them and making dumb statements whenever you get the chance to. The only ignorant person here is you, just talking shit is all you do. what are you talking about? lastshadow isnt a "wise guy", he is a cheater from sc1.Also his character isnt strong enough for sending this public. Maybe because it doesn't add anything to the discussion and is off topic? And some things were ment to not go public (like major joining a korean team, but that wasn't so hard to understand but still). But yeah you got your chance to throw some shit, and of course you took it. And didn't lastshadow cheat like 4-5 years ago? He got banned, and teamliquid forgave him and thats why he is here now. Let it go already. He may be a cheater forever in your eyes but he is a better sc2 player than any of us will probably ever be and by being in korea and have the conections he got you shouldn't be bitching about what he says when he got the better insight of things than you. EDIT: Funny how you bring up strong character and you can't even stand for things you say yourself. Hmm,,, stop being fanboy, i can stand behind every word i said. and like i said, lastshadow isnt a "wise-person".I know you are his friend but stop it. Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 02:14 johnny123 wrote: i dunno who this last shadow guy is, but i have a feeling hes pretty jealous of stephano :D , This is a guy that has only been korea for 2 weeks and is feared at every tournament he goes to. And all this lastshadow can talk about is juan and his finally making it to grandmaster accomplishments. Stephano will shit all over juan, Puma is in korea grandmaster as well. Guess what the score was at assembly, 3-0 lol. anyway, i dont think anybody here is claiming stephano is the best player ever, all we are saying is he is the best forigener, i personally think MMA /DRG and numerous korean terrans will stomp stephano to the ground. But that doesnt mean hes not the best foreigner, only close contender might be huk, but stephano has proven time and time again he owns huk really bad in zvp. , Huk cannot beat stephano. Only foreigner i can say stands a chance against stephano is naniwa. yes, he is jealous.Lastshadow already said wc3 players isnt good enough for beating bw pros, because of their mechanics. haha, he sayd that? | ||
dragonborn
4781 Posts
On March 09 2012 02:26 Benjamin80 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 02:24 dragonborn wrote: On March 09 2012 02:14 Gosi wrote: On March 09 2012 02:06 dragonborn wrote: On March 09 2012 02:04 Gosi wrote: On March 09 2012 01:55 dragonborn wrote: Look, what lastshadow send me via pm Original Message From lastshadow: again you coorelate a few tournament matches to actual skill. I wanna take the time to point out you cant see things in peoples play the way I and other top players can, this is why you never see top players name drop Kas above major (oh i guess you didnt realize this), you also see Ret even say Stephano is the best zerg, but idra is still the best mechanics (just like I'm saying). I want to also take the time to say you're a fucking retard, point blank, because obviously if you had any perception about this game, you probably wouldn't be as bad as you must be at the game to talk so ignorantly about tournament results that don't even really matter anymore (your words) in your defense for 'sjow/kas/stephano' There's a reason Juan is about to join a Korean team, there's also a reason he's the only foreign Terran that has ever hit GM on Korea with very high-winrate (before his MMR tank to achieve mutalisk portrait). And I'm sorry dear, but GM on Korea means something, unlike the other servers. Now I remember why no pro players almost ever argue or post, and the ones that do (IdrA, etc) are all point blank to openly call people like you retarded. Oh well. i hope this guy never gets enough respect from community, such a disrespectul and ignorant person. Yes, and by posting his _PM_ public makes you any better. You are like the biggest lastshadow and MajOr hater on this forum. You are shitting on them and making dumb statements whenever you get the chance to. The only ignorant person here is you, just talking shit is all you do. what are you talking about? lastshadow isnt a "wise guy", he is a cheater from sc1.Also his character isnt strong enough for sending this public. Maybe because it doesn't add anything to the discussion and is off topic? And some things were ment to not go public (like major joining a korean team, but that wasn't so hard to understand but still). But yeah you got your chance to throw some shit, and of course you took it. And didn't lastshadow cheat like 4-5 years ago? He got banned, and teamliquid forgave him and thats why he is here now. Let it go already. He may be a cheater forever in your eyes but he is a better sc2 player than any of us will probably ever be and by being in korea and have the conections he got you shouldn't be bitching about what he says when he got the better insight of things than you. EDIT: Funny how you bring up strong character and you can't even stand for things you say yourself. Hmm,,, stop being fanboy, i can stand behind every word i said. and like i said, lastshadow isnt a "wise-person".I know you are his friend but stop it. On March 09 2012 02:14 johnny123 wrote: i dunno who this last shadow guy is, but i have a feeling hes pretty jealous of stephano :D , This is a guy that has only been korea for 2 weeks and is feared at every tournament he goes to. And all this lastshadow can talk about is juan and his finally making it to grandmaster accomplishments. Stephano will shit all over juan, Puma is in korea grandmaster as well. Guess what the score was at assembly, 3-0 lol. anyway, i dont think anybody here is claiming stephano is the best player ever, all we are saying is he is the best forigener, i personally think MMA /DRG and numerous korean terrans will stomp stephano to the ground. But that doesnt mean hes not the best foreigner, only close contender might be huk, but stephano has proven time and time again he owns huk really bad in zvp. , Huk cannot beat stephano. Only foreigner i can say stands a chance against stephano is naniwa. yes, he is jealous.Lastshadow already said wc3 players isnt good enough for beating bw pros, because of their mechanics. haha, he sayd that? yes, he said that long time ago. every sc1 players/b teamers > wc3 players because of their mechanics. | ||
seiferoth10
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
The best RTS players in Korea played BW because it was the eSport game there. Not so in Europe or NA, where WC 3 had a much more developed eSport scene. | ||
mynameisgreat11
599 Posts
On March 09 2012 02:27 dragonborn wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 02:26 Benjamin80 wrote: On March 09 2012 02:24 dragonborn wrote: On March 09 2012 02:14 Gosi wrote: On March 09 2012 02:06 dragonborn wrote: On March 09 2012 02:04 Gosi wrote: On March 09 2012 01:55 dragonborn wrote: Look, what lastshadow send me via pm Original Message From lastshadow: again you coorelate a few tournament matches to actual skill. I wanna take the time to point out you cant see things in peoples play the way I and other top players can, this is why you never see top players name drop Kas above major (oh i guess you didnt realize this), you also see Ret even say Stephano is the best zerg, but idra is still the best mechanics (just like I'm saying). I want to also take the time to say you're a fucking retard, point blank, because obviously if you had any perception about this game, you probably wouldn't be as bad as you must be at the game to talk so ignorantly about tournament results that don't even really matter anymore (your words) in your defense for 'sjow/kas/stephano' There's a reason Juan is about to join a Korean team, there's also a reason he's the only foreign Terran that has ever hit GM on Korea with very high-winrate (before his MMR tank to achieve mutalisk portrait). And I'm sorry dear, but GM on Korea means something, unlike the other servers. Now I remember why no pro players almost ever argue or post, and the ones that do (IdrA, etc) are all point blank to openly call people like you retarded. Oh well. i hope this guy never gets enough respect from community, such a disrespectul and ignorant person. Yes, and by posting his _PM_ public makes you any better. You are like the biggest lastshadow and MajOr hater on this forum. You are shitting on them and making dumb statements whenever you get the chance to. The only ignorant person here is you, just talking shit is all you do. what are you talking about? lastshadow isnt a "wise guy", he is a cheater from sc1.Also his character isnt strong enough for sending this public. Maybe because it doesn't add anything to the discussion and is off topic? And some things were ment to not go public (like major joining a korean team, but that wasn't so hard to understand but still). But yeah you got your chance to throw some shit, and of course you took it. And didn't lastshadow cheat like 4-5 years ago? He got banned, and teamliquid forgave him and thats why he is here now. Let it go already. He may be a cheater forever in your eyes but he is a better sc2 player than any of us will probably ever be and by being in korea and have the conections he got you shouldn't be bitching about what he says when he got the better insight of things than you. EDIT: Funny how you bring up strong character and you can't even stand for things you say yourself. Hmm,,, stop being fanboy, i can stand behind every word i said. and like i said, lastshadow isnt a "wise-person".I know you are his friend but stop it. On March 09 2012 02:14 johnny123 wrote: i dunno who this last shadow guy is, but i have a feeling hes pretty jealous of stephano :D , This is a guy that has only been korea for 2 weeks and is feared at every tournament he goes to. And all this lastshadow can talk about is juan and his finally making it to grandmaster accomplishments. Stephano will shit all over juan, Puma is in korea grandmaster as well. Guess what the score was at assembly, 3-0 lol. anyway, i dont think anybody here is claiming stephano is the best player ever, all we are saying is he is the best forigener, i personally think MMA /DRG and numerous korean terrans will stomp stephano to the ground. But that doesnt mean hes not the best foreigner, only close contender might be huk, but stephano has proven time and time again he owns huk really bad in zvp. , Huk cannot beat stephano. Only foreigner i can say stands a chance against stephano is naniwa. yes, he is jealous.Lastshadow already said wc3 players isnt good enough for beating bw pros, because of their mechanics. haha, he sayd that? yes, he said that long time ago. every sc1 players/b teamers > wc3 players because of their mechanics. Lol, I couldn't care less about the Stephano argument, but its pretty damn funny that you actually posted this guy's PM, rip on it, and then call him classless. Whether or not you're right, that's a dick move. | ||
Benjamin80
581 Posts
On March 09 2012 02:30 seiferoth10 wrote: Well it's true... MC, MVP, Nestea, MMA... Thats not becuase they were BW players but becuase they got the practise environment and learned to be highly professional in BW. Those guys could take any games and be succesfull becuase they learned how in there BW days. Same thing with the wc 3 players they were professional while the foreign BW players was amateurs. | ||
Eshra
France1009 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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BadBinky
Finland649 Posts
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HellionDrop
281 Posts
On March 09 2012 04:01 BadBinky wrote: I'm watching Stephano's stream right now and wow his play reminds me of Flash and Jaedong. I think he's the best player at the moment. i bet you don't even watch BW..... | ||
Cokefreak
Finland8094 Posts
On March 09 2012 04:02 HellionDrop wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 04:01 BadBinky wrote: I'm watching Stephano's stream right now and wow his play reminds me of Flash and Jaedong. I think he's the best player at the moment. i bet you don't even watch BW..... Well he did join TL May 2004 so I guess he has had his fair share. | ||
BadBinky
Finland649 Posts
On March 09 2012 04:02 HellionDrop wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 04:01 BadBinky wrote: I'm watching Stephano's stream right now and wow his play reminds me of Flash and Jaedong. I think he's the best player at the moment. i bet you don't even watch BW..... I bet most 2011 users don't know what BW is. | ||
Crying
Bulgaria778 Posts
Stephano is the best foreigner Zerg and its going to be like this in the future. And all the jelly noobs can say all kinds of shit about players,but at the end of the day these jelly tards are watching replays and copying 1:1 and still dying to retarded things. Stephano you are awesome. | ||
ODKStevez
Ireland1225 Posts
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Sroobz
United States1377 Posts
PS: DRG isn't a zerg player. He's jesus | ||
CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
On March 09 2012 04:01 BadBinky wrote: I'm watching Stephano's stream right now and wow his play reminds me of Flash and Jaedong. I think he's the best player at the moment. -_- stephano is really good, but flash?... best foreigner zerg, probs... best player in world? probs not. flash. defs not. | ||
Eshra
France1009 Posts
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emis
Estonia409 Posts
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magha
Netherlands427 Posts
On March 09 2012 01:04 latan wrote: why would anyone plant down a forge if not for a nexus later on? Because Stephano blindly assumes it's there and has all his defensive timings based on it. If you don't build the Nexus but do some kind of delayed 4/5gate push (possibly with +1 as the forge is already there) he would just die to it instantly. | ||
Raid
United States398 Posts
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Tal0n
United States175 Posts
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bro_fenix
United States132 Posts
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juked
United States691 Posts
On March 09 2012 06:09 Raid wrote: Just shows how much better KR ladder is than any other ladder region... I don't get why we should care about this run any top 30 korean would probably have a similar run considering how dominant they are showing in recent tourneys at EU like Assembly and IEM Stephano is just as good as the koreans. He got to the finals in Assembly to face polt, gsl world champion, only to get beat but showed he can fight and face the koreans. Its a impressive ladder run no matter how you look at it | ||
GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On March 09 2012 05:43 CeriseCherries wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 04:01 BadBinky wrote: I'm watching Stephano's stream right now and wow his play reminds me of Flash and Jaedong. I think he's the best player at the moment. -_- stephano is really good, but flash?... best foreigner zerg, probs... best player in world? probs not. flash. defs not. You can have 2 players with similar play styles and be completely different in skill. In what world does remind mean exact same? | ||
SovSov
United States755 Posts
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smash1
60 Posts
On March 09 2012 06:02 magha wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 01:04 latan wrote: why would anyone plant down a forge if not for a nexus later on? Because Stephano blindly assumes it's there and has all his defensive timings based on it. If you don't build the Nexus but do some kind of delayed 4/5gate push (possibly with +1 as the forge is already there) he would just die to it instantly. http://www.twitch.tv/setttv/b/309928219 | ||
emis
Estonia409 Posts
On March 09 2012 06:48 SovSov wrote: has stephano ever played in an mlg? Yeah, he won like 20 matches through the open bracket to the championship bracket and then eventually lost to Boxer. | ||
dragonborn
4781 Posts
On March 09 2012 06:48 SovSov wrote: has stephano ever played in an mlg? yes, MLG Orlando. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Orlando | ||
ddrddrddrddr
1344 Posts
On March 09 2012 06:50 smash1 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 06:02 magha wrote: On March 09 2012 01:04 latan wrote: why would anyone plant down a forge if not for a nexus later on? Because Stephano blindly assumes it's there and has all his defensive timings based on it. If you don't build the Nexus but do some kind of delayed 4/5gate push (possibly with +1 as the forge is already there) he would just die to it instantly. http://www.twitch.tv/setttv/b/309928219 To be fair it was dumb of mana to leave his base open with no walls. | ||
zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On March 09 2012 06:19 juked wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 06:09 Raid wrote: Just shows how much better KR ladder is than any other ladder region... I don't get why we should care about this run any top 30 korean would probably have a similar run considering how dominant they are showing in recent tourneys at EU like Assembly and IEM Stephano is just as good as the koreans. He got to the finals in Assembly to face polt, gsl world champion, only to get beat but showed he can fight and face the koreans. Its a impressive ladder run no matter how you look at it He's not as good as 'the koreans' (as if they were all equally skilled?). He might be the best foreigner but he isn't in the top 25 players in the world IMO. That might even be generous of me. Plus his Assembly run wasn't exactly impressive.. Polt had by far the harder opposition. | ||
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United States146 Posts
On March 09 2012 06:37 GreEny K wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 05:43 CeriseCherries wrote: On March 09 2012 04:01 BadBinky wrote: I'm watching Stephano's stream right now and wow his play reminds me of Flash and Jaedong. I think he's the best player at the moment. -_- stephano is really good, but flash?... best foreigner zerg, probs... best player in world? probs not. flash. defs not. You can have 2 players with similar play styles and be completely different in skill. In what world does remind mean exact same? Probably because the first quoted post referenced both Flash and Jaedong. To say that those two players are similar because of their playstyles would just be incorrect. Plus the second sentence clearly states the opinion that he's the "best player at the moment". Which is arguable even without considering the Korean players. | ||
arfyron
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Swiv
Germany3674 Posts
On March 09 2012 07:16 zefreak wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 06:19 juked wrote: On March 09 2012 06:09 Raid wrote: Just shows how much better KR ladder is than any other ladder region... I don't get why we should care about this run any top 30 korean would probably have a similar run considering how dominant they are showing in recent tourneys at EU like Assembly and IEM Stephano is just as good as the koreans. He got to the finals in Assembly to face polt, gsl world champion, only to get beat but showed he can fight and face the koreans. Its a impressive ladder run no matter how you look at it He's not as good as 'the koreans' (as if they were all equally skilled?). He might be the best foreigner but he isn't in the top 25 players in the world IMO. That might even be generous of me. Plus his Assembly run wasn't exactly impressive.. Polt had by far the harder opposition. I'll put him in Top25 Sc2 players any time. Don't even have to think about it too long. | ||
dsousa
United States1363 Posts
He's so chill and unfazed. | ||
Whatson
United States5354 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:13 Swiv wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 07:16 zefreak wrote: On March 09 2012 06:19 juked wrote: On March 09 2012 06:09 Raid wrote: Just shows how much better KR ladder is than any other ladder region... I don't get why we should care about this run any top 30 korean would probably have a similar run considering how dominant they are showing in recent tourneys at EU like Assembly and IEM Stephano is just as good as the koreans. He got to the finals in Assembly to face polt, gsl world champion, only to get beat but showed he can fight and face the koreans. Its a impressive ladder run no matter how you look at it He's not as good as 'the koreans' (as if they were all equally skilled?). He might be the best foreigner but he isn't in the top 25 players in the world IMO. That might even be generous of me. Plus his Assembly run wasn't exactly impressive.. Polt had by far the harder opposition. I'll put him in Top25 Sc2 players any time. Don't even have to think about it too long. I would probably give him the benefit of the doubt, but he would have to compete and do well in GSL to prove it. And it's EU server...definitely a level above others, but not as competitive as the Korean server. Seriously, even Happy and Nerchio have around 85% win rates, and they get rolled by Koreans. | ||
Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On March 09 2012 06:37 GreEny K wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 05:43 CeriseCherries wrote: On March 09 2012 04:01 BadBinky wrote: I'm watching Stephano's stream right now and wow his play reminds me of Flash and Jaedong. I think he's the best player at the moment. -_- stephano is really good, but flash?... best foreigner zerg, probs... best player in world? probs not. flash. defs not. You can have 2 players with similar play styles and be completely different in skill. In what world does remind mean exact same? Probably because 1. they don't have similar playstyles (in whatever way, shape, or form you could compare sc1 to sc2 and terrans and zergs), and 2. the second part of his post inferred he was the best player in the world | ||
oxxo
988 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:13 Swiv wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 07:16 zefreak wrote: On March 09 2012 06:19 juked wrote: On March 09 2012 06:09 Raid wrote: Just shows how much better KR ladder is than any other ladder region... I don't get why we should care about this run any top 30 korean would probably have a similar run considering how dominant they are showing in recent tourneys at EU like Assembly and IEM Stephano is just as good as the koreans. He got to the finals in Assembly to face polt, gsl world champion, only to get beat but showed he can fight and face the koreans. Its a impressive ladder run no matter how you look at it He's not as good as 'the koreans' (as if they were all equally skilled?). He might be the best foreigner but he isn't in the top 25 players in the world IMO. That might even be generous of me. Plus his Assembly run wasn't exactly impressive.. Polt had by far the harder opposition. I'll put him in Top25 Sc2 players any time. Don't even have to think about it too long. Look at the other players around him. They all have sick records (though admittedly not 90%). Yet they are obviously far from GSL Code S players. This EU ladder record/streak means absolutely nothing. | ||
Whatson
United States5354 Posts
On March 09 2012 04:01 BadBinky wrote: I think he's the best player at the moment. ...no, just no. | ||
Benjamin80
581 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:40 oxxo wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 09:13 Swiv wrote: On March 09 2012 07:16 zefreak wrote: On March 09 2012 06:19 juked wrote: On March 09 2012 06:09 Raid wrote: Just shows how much better KR ladder is than any other ladder region... I don't get why we should care about this run any top 30 korean would probably have a similar run considering how dominant they are showing in recent tourneys at EU like Assembly and IEM Stephano is just as good as the koreans. He got to the finals in Assembly to face polt, gsl world champion, only to get beat but showed he can fight and face the koreans. Its a impressive ladder run no matter how you look at it He's not as good as 'the koreans' (as if they were all equally skilled?). He might be the best foreigner but he isn't in the top 25 players in the world IMO. That might even be generous of me. Plus his Assembly run wasn't exactly impressive.. Polt had by far the harder opposition. I'll put him in Top25 Sc2 players any time. Don't even have to think about it too long. Look at the other players around him. They all have sick records (though admittedly not 90%). Yet they are obviously far from GSL Code S players. This EU ladder record/streak means absolutely nothing. I agree but his Top 7 and 72% win ratio on the korean GM. Only the 2nd zerg in Korea(DRG was the first) to be over 70% win ratio clearly means something. He is also a top 8 in the world with highest price earnings. | ||
llKenZyll
United States853 Posts
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NexCa
Germany954 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:25 Whatson wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 09:13 Swiv wrote: On March 09 2012 07:16 zefreak wrote: On March 09 2012 06:19 juked wrote: On March 09 2012 06:09 Raid wrote: Just shows how much better KR ladder is than any other ladder region... I don't get why we should care about this run any top 30 korean would probably have a similar run considering how dominant they are showing in recent tourneys at EU like Assembly and IEM Stephano is just as good as the koreans. He got to the finals in Assembly to face polt, gsl world champion, only to get beat but showed he can fight and face the koreans. Its a impressive ladder run no matter how you look at it He's not as good as 'the koreans' (as if they were all equally skilled?). He might be the best foreigner but he isn't in the top 25 players in the world IMO. That might even be generous of me. Plus his Assembly run wasn't exactly impressive.. Polt had by far the harder opposition. I'll put him in Top25 Sc2 players any time. Don't even have to think about it too long. I would probably give him the benefit of the doubt, but he would have to compete and do well in GSL to prove it. And it's EU server...definitely a level above others, but not as competitive as the Korean server. Seriously, even Happy and Nerchio have around 85% win rates, and they get rolled by Koreans. I agree, seems like it's still KR > EU > NA But it's always just Terran's and Zerg's who get such a record, never saw a Protoss on top with such a high win percentage | ||
Haustka
United States221 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:09 llKenZyll wrote: My god, how does one get this good? hate to break it to you, but not all pros have actual talent to compete at highest level like Stephano. Many pros dont realize this and keep continue to play this game despite of their lack of talent or lack of ability. Even if they do, just take a look at how much these pro Koreans actually do play. They play 12 hours everyday or more... Stephano only plays only few hours? pfft well think again. at the end if you have the ability and use that to improve while u are playing, you will improve like stephano with dedication. I'm sure Stephano finds this game somewhat comical cause its probably very easy for him and some of his thoughts would be wow these kids are actually really really bad... and stupid. I apologize if I offended anyone, I probably did but if you are actually offended. Think about what you are doing, and perhaps change ur gaming style or if you can actually win a lot of games then play a lot more than right now? If not... well u probably wanna take it easy and play for fun. | ||
gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
And I'm pretty sure Idra had 80-90% on NA at some point but that was around the time when he was at his best and NA ladder was a bit weaker. As for how he would do in Korea, I don't think he'd make it through Code A. Once the Korean's get time to study and prepare against him it will be much harder games than anything he come up on EU ladder. | ||
Motoorhead
Poland67 Posts
http://sc2ranks.com/sea/253896/TiGerSPR | ||
Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
<3 Stephano | ||
KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:23 Motoorhead wrote: OMG! I found player with 97.83% win ratio! I think he's gonna be next bonjwa, the best foreigner or even the best player in the world! Check him out!: http://sc2ranks.com/sea/253896/TiGerSPR on this server, my record would probably also be at 80%. stephano is sick and the best foreigner without a doubt, probably top 20 player in the world. i dont need his ladderrecord to see and know this. and to those guys "everyone around him has 90%" first of all, the others have more like 80%. And who are those players? still ppl that belong to the top 30 foreigner list (happy, nerchio - no1 has a fucking clue whos smurf Kingler is) | ||
zefreak
United States2731 Posts
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Nuclease
United States1049 Posts
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Benjamin80
581 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:22 gruff wrote: I actually think NA ladder have improved the last 6 months so I don't really think the difference between NA and EU is worth mentioning, I've seen too many NA pros beat EU pros the last few month for this to be relevant. (I'm talking about GM level of play) And I'm pretty sure Idra had 80-90% on NA at some point but that was around the time when he was at his best and NA ladder was a bit weaker. As for how he would do in Korea, I don't think he'd make it through Code A. Once the Korean's get time to study and prepare against him it will be much harder games than anything he come up on EU ladder. You must be kidding. The difference between NA and EU is as big as EU to Korea. | ||
dgwow
Canada1024 Posts
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13JackaL
United States577 Posts
On March 09 2012 11:34 Benjamin80 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 10:22 gruff wrote: I actually think NA ladder have improved the last 6 months so I don't really think the difference between NA and EU is worth mentioning, I've seen too many NA pros beat EU pros the last few month for this to be relevant. (I'm talking about GM level of play) And I'm pretty sure Idra had 80-90% on NA at some point but that was around the time when he was at his best and NA ladder was a bit weaker. As for how he would do in Korea, I don't think he'd make it through Code A. Once the Korean's get time to study and prepare against him it will be much harder games than anything he come up on EU ladder. You must be kidding. The difference between NA and EU is as big as EU to Korea. No he isn't kidding. Many korean pros play on NA, so top levels actually aren't much different for either server. | ||
Redox
Germany24793 Posts
On March 09 2012 12:26 dgwow wrote: I think Stephano is still the best foreigner. But I'm doubtful that he can get through code A, which is a testament to how much better koreans are than foreigners. And with the BW a teamers switching over... You thinking something is not a testament to anything. | ||
Lasbike
France2888 Posts
On March 08 2012 08:34 hunts wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote: Stephano's stream - 10k views MKP's stream - 1,7k views Destiny's stream - 1,6k views He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon I'm not a big fan, but I watched because the zergs that are better than him weren't streaming (idra..) /facepalm | ||
Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:26 Lasbike wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 08:34 hunts wrote: On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote: Stephano's stream - 10k views MKP's stream - 1,7k views Destiny's stream - 1,6k views He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon I'm not a big fan, but I watched because the zergs that are better than him weren't streaming (idra..) /facepalm double /facepalm | ||
marcesr
Germany1383 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:19 Haustka wrote: hate to break it to you, but not all pros have actual talent to compete at highest level like Stephano. Many pros dont realize this and keep continue to play this game despite of their lack of talent or lack of ability. Even if they do, just take a look at how much these pro Koreans actually do play. They play 12 hours everyday or more... Stephano only plays only few hours? pfft well think again. at the end if you have the ability and use that to improve while u are playing, you will improve like stephano with dedication. I'm sure Stephano finds this game somewhat comical cause its probably very easy for him and some of his thoughts would be wow these kids are actually really really bad... and stupid. I apologize if I offended anyone, I probably did but if you are actually offended. Think about what you are doing, and perhaps change ur gaming style or if you can actually win a lot of games then play a lot more than right now? If not... well u probably wanna take it easy and play for fun. So you are saying that everyone who is worse than Stephano shouldnt take the competition seriously and just play for fun? How do you come to the conclusion that Stephano plays at the highest level? He doesnt have the slightest chance to win a GSL. | ||
Cigar
Sweden12 Posts
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Tribuno
Italy261 Posts
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warzag
France259 Posts
On March 10 2012 05:59 Tribuno wrote: i don't think ladder record is so important.. and i m not suprised about stephano's record because he is clearly the best non korean player.. he has fantstic mechanic and a perfect macro. He should compete in GSL with the best of the best because he is already winning a lot in the international scene... try to compete in GSL is what he needs. He doesn't want to make a GSL, he's winning a lot of money right now, and GSL takes a lot of time and not enought money if u don't win | ||
supsun
United Kingdom343 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote: Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you. It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances. You sound mad and/or jealous. | ||
zomgE
498 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:17 supsun wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote: Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you. It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances. You sound mad and/or jealous. the longtime koreaforeigners are so lame with their elitism. still they take the dick from random foreigners all the time. | ||
Morrisson
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Dawg_Snow
France425 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote: there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances. Yeah i guess Nestea, MC and MvP calling Stephano the best foreigner is not enough :/ we need a signed contract from all the GSL players to make it legit. <3 | ||
Railgan
Switzerland1507 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:17 supsun wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote: Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you. It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances. You sound mad and/or jealous. inb4 witchhunt to get lastshadow fired. | ||
Olinim
4044 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:27 Morrisson wrote: MC just said Stephano was about the same as DRG, I guess he is uneducated :o ( except for his ZvT of course, which see DRG miles ahead...) He said that they play the same way in zvp. I really don't think he was saying stephano is as good as DRG. | ||
Morrisson
289 Posts
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KainiT
Austria392 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:31 Olinim wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2012 06:27 Morrisson wrote: MC just said Stephano was about the same as DRG, I guess he is uneducated :o ( except for his ZvT of course, which see DRG miles ahead...) He said that they play the same way in zvp. I really don't think he was saying stephano is as good as DRG. actually i think he wanted to say that, but you can not say for sure, the whole situation was pretty odd | ||
zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:31 Olinim wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2012 06:27 Morrisson wrote: MC just said Stephano was about the same as DRG, I guess he is uneducated :o ( except for his ZvT of course, which see DRG miles ahead...) He said that they play the same way in zvp. I really don't think he was saying stephano is as good as DRG. And if he did he is severely underrating DRG. Stephano is the best foreigner but the stephano fanboys only care about the foreign scene. There is a whole world (ok, country) out there filled with players as good as or better than him. Exaggerating a bit but yeah. | ||
zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:34 KainiT wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2012 06:31 Olinim wrote: On March 10 2012 06:27 Morrisson wrote: MC just said Stephano was about the same as DRG, I guess he is uneducated :o ( except for his ZvT of course, which see DRG miles ahead...) He said that they play the same way in zvp. I really don't think he was saying stephano is as good as DRG. actually i think he wanted to say that, but you can not say for sure, the whole situation was pretty odd Nobody would say stephano is as good as DRG, including Stephano. He obviously didn't mean it like that. He was comparing ZvP playstyles and lumped stephano with DRG and nerchio with violet. | ||
Dawg_Snow
France425 Posts
Altrough, i admit that DRG is better than Stephano in Zvt which make him a more reliable and better player overall. They don't have the same terran practice partners though. ps: fuck it i don't care anyway so everybody can believe what they want i don't care :o it's just funny how the usual haters @hallowed poped instantly to try to dismiss him in the LR thread though :p | ||
TwoMagTrav
United States195 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Wasn't Stephano #1 on KR ladder when he was playing there? Under the id "DreAm" I know he was at least top 10 on KR and beat ForGG (OGSFin) a couple times when I was watching the stream. | ||
supsun
United Kingdom343 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:43 BioDiesel wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Wasn't Stephano #1 on KR ladder when he was playing there? Under the id "DreAm" I know he was at least top 10 on KR and beat ForGG (OGSFin) a couple times when I was watching the stream. I thought DreAm was MvPDreAm | ||
13JackaL
United States577 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:43 BioDiesel wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Wasn't Stephano #1 on KR ladder when he was playing there? Under the id "DreAm" I know he was at least top 10 on KR and beat ForGG (OGSFin) a couple times when I was watching the stream. I aw him play against IMMvp on his stream the other day on EU. Stephano said he was good but also that he probably wasn't the real Mvp because his control was slightly weak at times. He almost took a game off of stephano though so that clearly means imposter-or-not, hes pretty good. | ||
dragonborn
4781 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:46 supsun wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2012 06:43 BioDiesel wrote: On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Wasn't Stephano #1 on KR ladder when he was playing there? Under the id "DreAm" I know he was at least top 10 on KR and beat ForGG (OGSFin) a couple times when I was watching the stream. I thought DreAm was MvPDreAm DreAm was Stephano's id on KR ladder. | ||
Natespank
Canada449 Posts
http://sc2ranks.com/team/5142051 | ||
supsun
United Kingdom343 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:47 Ghostfoot wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2012 06:43 BioDiesel wrote: On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote: I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea. Wasn't Stephano #1 on KR ladder when he was playing there? Under the id "DreAm" I know he was at least top 10 on KR and beat ForGG (OGSFin) a couple times when I was watching the stream. I aw him play against IMMvp on his stream the other day on EU. Stephano said he was good but also that he probably wasn't the real Mvp because his control was slightly weak at times. He almost took a game off of stephano though so that clearly means imposter-or-not, hes pretty good. It's called lag | ||
bundo
Canada113 Posts
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chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
On March 09 2012 05:43 CeriseCherries wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 04:01 BadBinky wrote: I'm watching Stephano's stream right now and wow his play reminds me of Flash and Jaedong. I think he's the best player at the moment. -_- stephano is really good, but flash?... best foreigner zerg, probs... best player in world? probs not. flash. defs not. Pretty sure that guy above you was just trolling. | ||
SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:49 Natespank wrote: Compare to Jakji, gsl winner: http://sc2ranks.com/team/5142051 You mean Jjakji on KR/TW server vs Stephano on EU server? You have to be joking... | ||
Phays
Sweden162 Posts
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
On March 10 2012 07:05 chosenkerrigan wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 05:43 CeriseCherries wrote: On March 09 2012 04:01 BadBinky wrote: I'm watching Stephano's stream right now and wow his play reminds me of Flash and Jaedong. I think he's the best player at the moment. -_- stephano is really good, but flash?... best foreigner zerg, probs... best player in world? probs not. flash. defs not. Pretty sure that guy above you was just trolling. these days, anyone can be a bonjwa | ||
Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
On March 10 2012 07:08 Phays wrote: I don't understand why stephano doesn't go to korea and play, all he has to do is ask gom for a seed to up and down matchs and he will get it if not a code s seed. He would get S-code right away but committing 1-2 months to be in Korea instead of playing "foreign" tournaments which last only few days (or can be played online)... Easy choice | ||
Phays
Sweden162 Posts
On March 10 2012 07:11 Too_MuchZerg wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2012 07:08 Phays wrote: I don't understand why stephano doesn't go to korea and play, all he has to do is ask gom for a seed to up and down matchs and he will get it if not a code s seed. He would get S-code right away but committing 1-2 months to be in Korea instead of playing "foreign" tournaments which last only few days (or can be played online)... Easy choice I guess but for the most time there is alot more money and way more fame involved in gsl.. | ||
MBH
Ireland796 Posts
On March 10 2012 07:08 Phays wrote: I don't understand why stephano doesn't go to korea and play, all he has to do is ask gom for a seed to up and down matchs and he will get it if not a code s seed. Because Stephano actually doesn't give a fuck about anything but making money(which I personally am totally cool with), so he will not go to Korea to play a single tourament over the couse of a month. In that time he missed countless torunaments here. | ||
Elean
689 Posts
On March 10 2012 07:08 Phays wrote: I don't understand why stephano doesn't go to korea and play, all he has to do is ask gom for a seed to up and down matchs and he will get it if not a code s seed. I don't understand why you think he should go to korea. There is more to win, and less competition in the foreign scene. | ||
chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
On March 10 2012 07:10 CeriseCherries wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2012 07:05 chosenkerrigan wrote: On March 09 2012 05:43 CeriseCherries wrote: On March 09 2012 04:01 BadBinky wrote: I'm watching Stephano's stream right now and wow his play reminds me of Flash and Jaedong. I think he's the best player at the moment. -_- stephano is really good, but flash?... best foreigner zerg, probs... best player in world? probs not. flash. defs not. Pretty sure that guy above you was just trolling. these days, anyone can be a bonjwa Yeah we have a new potential bonjwa every month. | ||
FiNTer
Finland153 Posts
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On March 10 2012 07:17 Elean wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2012 07:08 Phays wrote: I don't understand why stephano doesn't go to korea and play, all he has to do is ask gom for a seed to up and down matchs and he will get it if not a code s seed. I don't understand why you think he should go to korea. There is more to win, and less competition in the foreign scene. If you're truly the best though you make more money in Korea flying out to the major foreign tournaments. | ||
Soleron
United Kingdom1324 Posts
On March 10 2012 09:18 Seraphone wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2012 07:17 Elean wrote: On March 10 2012 07:08 Phays wrote: I don't understand why stephano doesn't go to korea and play, all he has to do is ask gom for a seed to up and down matchs and he will get it if not a code s seed. I don't understand why you think he should go to korea. There is more to win, and less competition in the foreign scene. If you're truly the best though you make more money in Korea flying out to the major foreign tournaments. Unless you can win or place in the Ro4 of Code S consistently, there is more money to be made winning foreign tournaments where you are the favourite and any Koreans who show up will be few in number jetlagged or unprepared. | ||
Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On March 10 2012 09:22 Soleron wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2012 09:18 Seraphone wrote: On March 10 2012 07:17 Elean wrote: On March 10 2012 07:08 Phays wrote: I don't understand why stephano doesn't go to korea and play, all he has to do is ask gom for a seed to up and down matchs and he will get it if not a code s seed. I don't understand why you think he should go to korea. There is more to win, and less competition in the foreign scene. If you're truly the best though you make more money in Korea flying out to the major foreign tournaments. Unless you can win or place in the Ro4 of Code S consistently, there is more money to be made winning foreign tournaments where you are the favourite and any Koreans who show up will be few in number jetlagged or unprepared. For the major LAN's it doesn't make the biggest difference as the Koreans still win despite jetlag. Stephano makes a lot of money from stuff like Shoutcraft Invitationals and other mid size online tournament which he'd miss out on in Korea. It's still regrettable he'd rather play in those than actually believe he can become good enough to win a GSL. | ||
Reddivka
Canada6 Posts
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FaRess
Tunisia937 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote: Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you. It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances. are you that guy that got kicked out of the gom house for his awesome manners ahah ? all this rage makes sense know, you couldn't even compete with the best Europeans , why the hell a guy like you was sent is a deep mystery.Maybe stephano can't replicate results, but in the mean time he has results unlike you | ||
Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On March 10 2012 09:22 Soleron wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2012 09:18 Seraphone wrote: On March 10 2012 07:17 Elean wrote: On March 10 2012 07:08 Phays wrote: I don't understand why stephano doesn't go to korea and play, all he has to do is ask gom for a seed to up and down matchs and he will get it if not a code s seed. I don't understand why you think he should go to korea. There is more to win, and less competition in the foreign scene. If you're truly the best though you make more money in Korea flying out to the major foreign tournaments. Unless you can win or place in the Ro4 of Code S consistently, there is more money to be made winning foreign tournaments where you are the favourite and any Koreans who show up will be few in number jetlagged or unprepared. If you go to Korea and travel you also become jetlagged for a lot of GSL games. The numerous times Huk had to show up and play either that day or next or when Naniwa had his code A games after getting off a plane or even for Korean examples the people who had to play code A right after the MLG arena. More often then not the traveling gamers get worse over time and not better. | ||
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