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What would be the future of Starcraft 2 as an e-Sport? Leading e-sport Korean firms formed an alliance for the better future.
Blizzard, GomTV, OGN and KeSPA met on 2nd May at Coex Continental Hotel and announced 'Starcraft 2 alliance day for growth of e-sport'
COO of Blizzard, CEO of Blizzard Korea, CEO of Gretech (also known as Gom), CEO of OGN, the president of KeSPA, and managers of Starcraft 2 & BW teams gathered together today
KeSPA officially obtained a license to launch a team league for Starcraft 2 and OGN obtained a license to launch an individual league. Therefore Starcraft 2 became an official pro game of KeSPA.
As new leagues are about to start we expect to see total 4 Starcraft 2 leagues in Korea including GSL and GSTL which had started from 2010.
Also Blizzard, GomTV, OGN and KeSPA agreed to work together to bring a long term growth of e-sports in Korea as well as outside.
They have agreed to have connections between existing Starcraft 2 players and switching Starcraft 2 players from different tournaments. They all agreed that maintaining connection between all players is better for the future. How this will work will be announced in the near future.
[short interviews of each CEO - but not really anything important]
KeSPA soon will reveal the details of the upcoming individual league and team league such as schedule, qualification to enter, and prize pool.
NEWS 2 : OGN Starcraft 2 Individual League scheduled to start in July
OGN who gained a license to launch an individual league successfully will start their first league in July.
representative of OGN, Hyung-Jun HWANG, said that the schedules are not definite but it will begin sometime in July. He also commented about Starleague for BW.
"The new season of Starleague starts in two weeks if sponsors and circumstances work out well it may not be the last league. Starcraft 1 had the largest role in e-Sports in the last ten years and maybe it's time to say good bye however I can't say that this will be the last league for sure"
Also he commented about the eligibility of entering the tournament. "This is simply my wish but I want OGN Starcraft 2 league to have KeSPA players, players who are already in GSL and amateur players but we haven't agreed on details with Gretech yet and I can't say for sure"
NEWS 3 : KeSPA will make a full transition to Starcraft 2 from BW
The president of KeSPA answered some questions about the managing a league with both BW and Starcraft 2.
He commented that in Pro League season 2, which starts from the 3rd week of May to September, will have both BW and Starcraft 2. "We are having both BW and SC2 in the next Pro League - however we are not going to switch each series with two different games and we are still looking for a good tournament format for this"
"All our strategic managers are seeking out different options about running the next tournament and we hope to reveal the format around 2nd week of May"
He also commented Pro League Season 3 that will start in October will switch to Starcraft 2 fully. "It is true that we are talking about the full transition into SC2 tournament from season 3, and unless there are problems we expect this to happen"
He also commented about eligibility of becoming a 'pro'. "When we make a full transition to Starcraft 2 league all pre-existing BW players will be able to continue their career as a pro gamer playing Starcraft 2. We are still talking with Gretech about players who are participating in GSL and GSTL, we hope to reveal more details before the full transition into Starcraft 2"
Boxer asked KeSPA that there is a bigger market outside of Korea and whether they have intention of sending their players to overseas to compete. KeSPA answered that they will FULLY support players to compete in overseas tournaments.
OGN commented that they will also have English stream like GomTV has right now
Note : This hasn't been proof read and if there are grammar mistakes - please excuse me.
Awesome! I'm happy for the Korean progamers who haven't been able to go to foreign tournaments. Now they'll have more chances to bring in some cash and make progaming a more viable career for them. Same with foreign progamers, of course.
I do wonder whether this will give Koreans less incentive to make the trek to foreign tournaments. I doubt it, given the fan support and money overseas, but you can't expect to see all of them at foreign tourneys.
I wonder if GSL players will have enough time for both leagues at the same time or if the player base will be completely separate with a OSL vs. GSL tournament every once in a while or something.
OSL in july for sc2? God make it happen, that would be so amazing. With GSL + proleague + OSL for sc2 my dreams of seeing osl and actual proleague not winners league every league is going to be awesome. :D
Now this was more like the information I was expecting out the live twitter feed :D
Cool shit....It's going to be one hell of a year!
The Kespa progaming thing is whatupsets me the most however. It seems they do not wish to allow a freedom of movement of players within the starcraft world. Will it mean the new korean tournaments will be korean only? Also do KESPA have a finger in LoL or if that purely OGN's doing?
He also commented Pro League Season 3 that will start in October will switch to Starcraft 2 fully. "It is true that we are talking about the full transition into SC2 tournament from season 3, and unless there are problems we expect this to happen"
Enjoy it while it lasts, friends. Cherish these last few months of BW
hmm def loving the news but i really wonder how many of these Sc1 pros who have die hard passion for BW will be able to let that go for Sc2. Seems like a lot of hardcore BW players didn't think highly of Sc2 when it first came out but I guess we'll see.
He also commented Pro League Season 3 that will start in October will switch to Starcraft 2 fully. "It is true that we are talking about the full transition into SC2 tournament from season 3, and unless there are problems we expect this to happen"
Enjoy it while it lasts, friends. Cherish these last few months of BW
Yeah this was the saddest moment of the conference for me I was just like "fuck, so now we really know." At least the memories will still last, I know they will for me. That last BW OSL broadcast better be epic.
He also commented Pro League Season 3 that will start in October will switch to Starcraft 2 fully. "It is true that we are talking about the full transition into SC2 tournament from season 3, and unless there are problems we expect this to happen"
Enjoy it while it lasts, friends. Cherish these last few months of BW
Yeah this was the saddest moment of the conference for me I was just like "fuck, so now we really know." At least the memories will still last, I know they will for me. That last BW OSL broadcast better be epic.
Lets just hope the swiching players arent focusing too much on the swich, and provide great games in OSL!
On May 02 2012 14:12 seffer wrote: Who will cast for kespa?
I was curious about this too....perhaps.... HERE COMES TORCH+MOLETRAP :DDD
Honestly, I hope they get different people and provide a good online stream via twitch or something (I don't really like the current situation with youtube's esportstv stream tbh)
omg the level of shit that has happened in recent times is FUCKING EXCITING, this is amazing, I would have expected this stuff to take maybe a year, but no all this news is coming in so so quickly, this is awesome
ESPORTS ALLIANCE HO!!!
hurray for esports
Boxer, I hope this all makes you happy that you switched to SC2! Please get back in form quickly so you can work towards your goal once more.
This actually seems awesome. I was expecting some sort of issue arising between Gom and KeSPA but it seems like things are being worked out nicely... The openness to sending players overseas is also something I'm looking forward to :D
The world will fall in October and we all will die... of excitement :D Incredible news, although it's a bit sad for BW. I know SC2's been lurking here and there to take BW's place. Well, I can only hope that BW progamers (S-class) will destroy everyone
On May 02 2012 14:26 eviltomahawk wrote: I'm curious, how is the Korean fanbase (both BW and SC2) responding to this news? How are the comments on these news sites?
On May 02 2012 14:26 eviltomahawk wrote: I'm curious, how is the Korean fanbase (both BW and SC2) responding to this news? How are the comments on these news sites?
Indeed, expacialy the Korean BW scene - I bet alot of people are complaining about it.
badass, this was exactly what i was hoping it would be only thing that i still have a gripe about is their next season split sc/sc2 format.. just drop the whole idea and stick with one or the other.
Eh. Korea is a BW country TBH; SC:BW is still one of the most played games where as SC2 as a lot more niche. Completely doing away with BW at this time seems like a very foolhardy idea. At the least they should keep it in proleague and have SC2 alongside. I don't like this shift at all, and I only joined TL because of SC2.
On May 02 2012 14:30 Jinsho wrote: What about foreigners competing in KESPA SC2 tournaments?
it seems that non-KeSPA/GSTL players will have the ability to compete in OSL once they transition to SC2. as for proleague, the situation is less clear, probably no foreigners there if i had to guess.
Pretty cool, I think this is the final move to makes SC2 become the biggest e-sport game out there. The game needs higher level and more attentions/leagues to compete.
On May 02 2012 14:30 Jinsho wrote: What about foreigners competing in KESPA SC2 tournaments?
it seems that non-KeSPA/GSTL players will have the ability to compete in OSL once they transition to SC2. as for proleague, the situation is less clear, probably no foreigners there if i had to guess.
When was the last time a foriegnor competed in the OSL? With Nani's recent performance it's not impossible to assume that their might be some room for foriegnors in SC2.
Judging from how its transitioning, the only way foreigners get to play in Proleague is to be in a Korean team.
Although cant exempt that there is a chance that foreign teams will have the ability to compete, I don't know how GSL Proleague works... Actually I dont even know how GSL or anything SC2 related works; besides the fundamentals as I'm a long diehard Brood War fanboy.
I honestly don't see TBLS enjoying the same dominance they enjoyed in BW. I know this has been discussed to death in other threads, but I'm just afraid all the hype surrounding the best BW players will only result in disappointment and somehow tarnish the achievements and legends they've built over the years.
This is pretty exciting, imo. Kind of bitter sweet with BW being phased out 100%; however, I think in the long run it was inevitable with blizzard in the picture.
I think it will be interesting to see how proleague goes. With OSL being SC2 only, I think lots of current KeSPA players will focus solely on SC2. I hope we don't see a skill decline in BW for its (probable) last league.
Games like Special Force, Sudden Attack and LoL just to name a few are way more popular then SC2 in Korea. Its just SC2 has a bigger market for expansion and sponsorship and maybe LoL too.
Finally all the pro players will play the same game!
Good that they are planning for a full switch to SC2 after this seasons pro league. Mixing the two games is an awful idea. Either have BW or SC2 but not both on the same time!
This is really exciting but it also makes me really nervous because I am deathly afraid that Kespa/OGN will not hold open qualifiers for any individual leagues they might create and that they will keep things closed off instead of letting any player or team of a high enough skill level compete. I sure hope they won't still require progaming licenses.
Pretty so many BW fans are saying they are going to play LoL.. Also websites like Daily e-Sports (KeSPA friendly) do not know what to do as they used to put down Gretech a lot. Fomos is negative about it too.. PlayXP and Thisisgame are the websites who are glad about this
I'd love to see teams either align in the Kespa league or Gom league. Each having their own team and solo tournaments with a final showdown between the winner of each league.
Ala NFL NFC, AFC. I think creating a league identity and fandom in of it self would be very enjoyable and add a lot to the scene. Hell I'd like to see them take it even further and add 3 team conferences to create team rivalries. The more storylines and drama and investment you can add into the game, make it that much better.
Atleast that's how this football loving sport nut sees it.
On May 02 2012 15:37 iNcontroL wrote: kespa allowing players to travel and having an english stream are huge. The funny thing will be: WHO CASTS THE ENGLISH STREAM?
On May 02 2012 15:37 iNcontroL wrote: kespa allowing players to travel and having an english stream are huge. The funny thing will be: WHO CASTS THE ENGLISH STREAM?
What i've understanded Gomtv will end after this year. So guess twice?
On May 02 2012 15:37 iNcontroL wrote: kespa allowing players to travel and having an english stream are huge. The funny thing will be: WHO CASTS THE ENGLISH STREAM?
What i've understanded Gomtv will end after this year. So guess twice?
Great news for foreign sc2 fans. But in korea, its more dubious.. SC2 isnt going too well there, far less popular than BW even. I wonder how OGN expects to collect more viewer numbers and revenue with this change.
On May 02 2012 15:37 iNcontroL wrote: kespa allowing players to travel and having an english stream are huge. The funny thing will be: WHO CASTS THE ENGLISH STREAM?
On May 02 2012 15:37 iNcontroL wrote: kespa allowing players to travel and having an english stream are huge. The funny thing will be: WHO CASTS THE ENGLISH STREAM?
On May 02 2012 15:37 iNcontroL wrote: kespa allowing players to travel and having an english stream are huge. The funny thing will be: WHO CASTS THE ENGLISH STREAM?
On May 02 2012 15:37 iNcontroL wrote: kespa allowing players to travel and having an english stream are huge. The funny thing will be: WHO CASTS THE ENGLISH STREAM?
On May 02 2012 15:37 iNcontroL wrote: kespa allowing players to travel and having an english stream are huge. The funny thing will be: WHO CASTS THE ENGLISH STREAM?
On May 02 2012 15:37 iNcontroL wrote: kespa allowing players to travel and having an english stream are huge. The funny thing will be: WHO CASTS THE ENGLISH STREAM?
People tend to forget that SC2 games are getting better and better. Some games even provide a BW-feeling. This wasn't the case for a long time, so a lot of Koreans formed a negative view on SC2. I am sure that alot of them will be surprised (positive) about the current state of the game, so don't worry
On May 02 2012 16:11 DreamOen wrote: TeamLiquid its time to have SC2 team logos avaible as signs!!!. On the topic, time will tell, to all of this we need actual korean fans to support it.
I want BW logos to be present in the SC2 section, so that I can flash around the KT Rolster logo when Flash and friends start owning face in SC2.
On May 02 2012 16:11 DreamOen wrote: TeamLiquid its time to have SC2 team logos avaible as signs!!!. On the topic, time will tell, to all of this we need actual korean fans to support it.
I want BW logos to be present in the SC2 section, so that I can flash around the KT Rolster logo when Flash and friends start owning face in SC2.
Both at the same time ofc hehe, even if MBC hero doesnt exists anymore, I still wear it for the shake of sea.
Welp, feel bad for the foreigner players trying to make a living from SC2. With the Korean pro player population about to double, and some real sponsorship there to back the top talents, the days of even two foreigners in a top 6 might be over O_O
Looks like it'll be "go Korea or go home" with the concentration of talent (and leagues) there. Would be awesome if the a few of the foreign teams could band together and put up a real foreign teamhouse.
So if the full transition happens, can foreigners take their stand? BW players will no doubt catch up to the current SC2 korean players sooner or later. Kespa teams have some sick practice regimen.
Well, i am pretty sure all the foreign tournaments(MLG,IPL,Dreamhack,NASL) will be all for the Korean takings unless they regulate the amount of Koreans invite or participants.
On May 02 2012 16:18 Jehct wrote: Welp, feel bad for the foreigner players trying to make a living from SC2. With the Korean pro player population about to double, and some real sponsorship there to back the top talents, the days of even two foreigners in a top 6 might be over O_O
While there obviously will be a ton more top koreans in the near future, having two korean based leagues might also mean that we will see less of the top koreans at foreign events; atleast the ones without a ridiculous prize pool.
Also, more sponsorships, more players and more audience ( the brood war stars coming over will attract a big chunk of the korean fan(girls)) will mean more money for everyone involved in the scene.
On May 02 2012 16:13 Snowbear wrote: People tend to forget that SC2 games are getting better and better. Some games even provide a BW-feeling.
There's so many people who would flat-out disagree with that second part, its not funny. You should hear what the BW pros said about sc2 and how many of them are incredibly depressed at this news, and even more are leaving esports altogether. Korea is going to keep rejecting this sad excuse for a successor no matter how much Blizzard/GOM try to shove it on us.
On May 02 2012 16:25 Denzil wrote: Didn't know boxer was there,
COO of Blizzard, CEO of Blizzard Korea, CEO of Gretech (also known as Gom), CEO of OGN, the president of KeSPA, and managers of Starcraft 2 & BW teams gathered together today
I guess he would fall under "managers of Starcraft 2 & BW teams," but i wouldn't have been surprised if they had just invited him anyway.
Though a large part of me don't want to celebrate that much for my friends in BW who feel bad about the great old game dying. I hope Kespa also does something for BW.
On May 02 2012 15:37 iNcontroL wrote: kespa allowing players to travel and having an english stream are huge. The funny thing will be: WHO CASTS THE ENGLISH STREAM?
On May 02 2012 16:13 Snowbear wrote: People tend to forget that SC2 games are getting better and better. Some games even provide a BW-feeling.
There's so many people who would flat-out disagree with that second part, its not funny. You should hear what the BW pros said about sc2 and how many of them are incredibly depressed at this news, and even more are leaving esports altogether. Korea is going to keep rejecting this sad excuse for a successor no matter how much Blizzard/GOM try to shove it on us.
Take off your blinders. SC2 is evolving into quite a good game. Games were very boring and unimaginative during beta/early release; however, we are starting to see more and more complex games at the highest level.
What are BW pros currently saying about SC2? I am not interested in what they had to say during beta. What are they saying now that they are playing and practicing the game? I know that Flash, for example, is actually taking a liking to SC2.
On May 02 2012 16:13 Snowbear wrote: People tend to forget that SC2 games are getting better and better. Some games even provide a BW-feeling.
There's so many people who would flat-out disagree with that second part, its not funny. You should hear what the BW pros said about sc2 and how many of them are incredibly depressed at this news, and even more are leaving esports altogether. Korea is going to keep rejecting this sad excuse for a successor no matter how much Blizzard/GOM try to shove it on us.
Take off your blinders. SC2 is evolving into quite a good game. Games were very boring and unimaginative during beta/early release; however, we are starting to see more and more complex games at the highest level.
What are BW pros currently saying about SC2? I am not interested in what they had to say during beta. What are they saying now that they are playing and practicing the game? I know that Flash, for example, is actually taking a liking to SC2.
Uh... Not really. A large majority of BW pros are upset or planning on leaving. This is all recent released statements and tweets from their channels, not to mention real life statements from my own progamer friends. Take it from someone who is actually here and know them personally, not just from watching them on streams.
On May 02 2012 16:13 Snowbear wrote: People tend to forget that SC2 games are getting better and better. Some games even provide a BW-feeling.
There's so many people who would flat-out disagree with that second part, its not funny. You should hear what the BW pros said about sc2 and how many of them are incredibly depressed at this news, and even more are leaving esports altogether. Korea is going to keep rejecting this sad excuse for a successor no matter how much Blizzard/GOM try to shove it on us.
Take off your blinders. SC2 is evolving into quite a good game. Games were very boring and unimaginative during beta/early release; however, we are starting to see more and more complex games at the highest level.
What are BW pros currently saying about SC2? I am not interested in what they had to say during beta. What are they saying now that they are playing and practicing the game? I know that Flash, for example, is actually taking a liking to SC2.
Uh... Not really. A large majority of BW pros are upset or planning on leaving. This is all recent released statements and tweets from their channels, not to mention real life statements from my own progamer friends. Take it from someone who is actually here and know them personally, not just from watching them on streams.
sCCrooked, I think the meaning is that when you come with such info, you should back it up yourself. Not make it someone else's work to find out if what you are saying is the truth or not
On May 02 2012 16:45 sCCrooked wrote: Sorry man, you're gonna have to just go look around the BW section. There's a lot there, but I'm not doing your work for you.
I have been reading the BW section for years. I am a fan of both games. The majority of posts are people who just won't let go and have been praying that SC2 fails since before it was released.
I'd love to see InControl casting these games! That would eb amazing. I say we make a community push to get him and whoever else we thign are some of the best casters to Korea.
Though it saddens me that if he goes full time caster there won't be much room for playing.
On May 02 2012 16:13 Snowbear wrote: People tend to forget that SC2 games are getting better and better. Some games even provide a BW-feeling.
There's so many people who would flat-out disagree with that second part, its not funny. You should hear what the BW pros said about sc2 and how many of them are incredibly depressed at this news, and even more are leaving esports altogether. Korea is going to keep rejecting this sad excuse for a successor no matter how much Blizzard/GOM try to shove it on us.
Take off your blinders. SC2 is evolving into quite a good game. Games were very boring and unimaginative during beta/early release; however, we are starting to see more and more complex games at the highest level.
What are BW pros currently saying about SC2? I am not interested in what they had to say during beta. What are they saying now that they are playing and practicing the game? I know that Flash, for example, is actually taking a liking to SC2.
Uh... Not really. A large majority of BW pros are upset or planning on leaving. This is all recent released statements and tweets from their channels, not to mention real life statements from my own progamer friends. Take it from someone who is actually here and know them personally, not just from watching them on streams.
Imagine you are a professional starcraft 1 player. This means that you spent years in mastering the game. Then suddenly there is the announcement that you have to play AND LEARN a new game. This means that you have to start from 0 again. The game you have to switch to is SC2, a game that was 1a ball vs 1a ball for a long time. You hated that game. Now that game has involved into a much better game, but you don't know it.
Would you be happy to switch? No. Would you start kicking around, telling everyone that you will leave? Yes, probably.
Not really. A large majority of BW pros are upset or planning on leaving. This is all recent released statements and tweets from their channels, not to mention real life statements from my own progamer friends. Take it from someone who is actually here and know them personally, not just from watching them on streams.
Actually, I don't find this surprising at all. Imagine you are a BW pro who has been practicing BW for the past 2-3 years for 10 hours a day. Although some of the mechanics and practice habits will transfer over, a lot of things will not. Some BW pros will definitely do well in SC2 but some might not. It is still a big risk for them. For the top players (Flash, Bisu, etc), it is probably not as bad because they are already financially secure (until their current contracts run out). But for up and comers who were close to making it big, it is probably disheartening to have everything 'reset' and have to start from the basics again.
On May 02 2012 15:37 iNcontroL wrote: kespa allowing players to travel and having an english stream are huge. The funny thing will be: WHO CASTS THE ENGLISH STREAM?
On May 02 2012 16:48 Nineball wrote: sCCrooked, I think the meaning is that when you come with such info, you should back it up yourself. Not make it someone else's work to find out if what you are saying is the truth or not
im worried about how the foreign scene is going to be handled in regards to the integration into the OGN/Kespa tourneys.. I don't see kespa shying away from there progamer license system
As much as it shocks me, this does sound quiet good. I still hate the fact that BW will disappear, but given that it's kespa it could have gone a lot worse. I just hope the OGN and GSL leagues don't overlap so we don't get a split player base.
On May 02 2012 16:48 Nineball wrote: sCCrooked, I think the meaning is that when you come with such info, you should back it up yourself. Not make it someone else's work to find out if what you are saying is the truth or not
So one player tweets that he finds sc2 boring and that automatically translates to 'a lot'? I can just as easily link a thread which quotes flash enjoying SC2 and label it as the majority. Obviously not every BW progamer is going to enjoy the switch. However, to say that they are all going to retire is just absolutely silly.
On May 02 2012 17:02 Apex wrote: Hmmm kind of feel bad for Dear/Last/Shy/Mini, young players who looked like they had the potential to breakout in BW and now have to switch to SC2.
On the cusp of the emergence to stardom only to have to reset yet again with a new game. That's unfortunate.
Actually I think it is more beneficial to these players. SC2 is still so young and we have yet to see a real team practice. Practicing on KT is completely different than practicing on MVP.
I would be excited to see BW pros come and join SC2, but to be honest SC2 will live on with or without them. I feel like BW pros could contribute a lot to SC2 pro scene, but in the end it's their choise.
Personally I only got into Starcraft in SC2. I have watched a few BW games but I never really got into it. But I'm VERY excited to see what OGN and KeSPA can cook up!
On May 02 2012 16:48 Nineball wrote: sCCrooked, I think the meaning is that when you come with such info, you should back it up yourself. Not make it someone else's work to find out if what you are saying is the truth or not
So one player tweets that he finds sc2 boring and that automatically translates to 'a lot'? I can just as easily link a thread which quotes flash enjoying SC2 and label it as the majority. Obviously not every BW progamer is going to enjoy the switch. However, to say that they are all going to retire is just absolutely silly.
The STX coach said that the best thing about Starcraft 2 was it's name.
On May 02 2012 16:48 Nineball wrote: sCCrooked, I think the meaning is that when you come with such info, you should back it up yourself. Not make it someone else's work to find out if what you are saying is the truth or not
So one player tweets that he finds sc2 boring and that automatically translates to 'a lot'? I can just as easily link a thread which quotes flash enjoying SC2 and label it as the majority. Obviously not every BW progamer is going to enjoy the switch. However, to say that they are all going to retire is just absolutely silly.
I am not going to bother to find the articles for you because there were few articles which cover the aspect of transitioning to sc2 and the possibility of players retiring from the professional scene just because of the switch.
On May 02 2012 16:48 Nineball wrote: sCCrooked, I think the meaning is that when you come with such info, you should back it up yourself. Not make it someone else's work to find out if what you are saying is the truth or not
So one player tweets that he finds sc2 boring and that automatically translates to 'a lot'? I can just as easily link a thread which quotes flash enjoying SC2 and label it as the majority. Obviously not every BW progamer is going to enjoy the switch. However, to say that they are all going to retire is just absolutely silly.
I am not going to bother to find the articles for you because there were few articles which cover the aspect of transitioning to sc2 and the possibility of players retiring from the professional scene just because of the switch.
Why get in a discussion t if you aren't willing to supply facts to back your claim? And the more you post, the more it seems like the information you have is speculation as opposed to facts.
On May 02 2012 16:48 Nineball wrote: sCCrooked, I think the meaning is that when you come with such info, you should back it up yourself. Not make it someone else's work to find out if what you are saying is the truth or not
So one player tweets that he finds sc2 boring and that automatically translates to 'a lot'? I can just as easily link a thread which quotes flash enjoying SC2 and label it as the majority. Obviously not every BW progamer is going to enjoy the switch. However, to say that they are all going to retire is just absolutely silly.
The STX coach said that the best thing about Starcraft 2 was it's name.
I eat my pants if he says the same in 1 year.
SC1 is OLD. It took 10 years to involve into the masterpiece we know today.
SC2 is YOUNG. It already involved from a 1a deathball vs 1a deathball-game into a more refined game (especially TvZ, with all the splitting etc). And guess what? The game hasn't reached his full potential yet. You can see progamers make so many mistakes. There is so much room for more micro, mutlitasking, strategies, macro, etc. If SC2 reached it's full potential at this moment, then I agree: it's not worth to sacrifice BW for this. But everyone can see that there is so much room for improvement...
On May 02 2012 16:48 Nineball wrote: sCCrooked, I think the meaning is that when you come with such info, you should back it up yourself. Not make it someone else's work to find out if what you are saying is the truth or not
So one player tweets that he finds sc2 boring and that automatically translates to 'a lot'? I can just as easily link a thread which quotes flash enjoying SC2 and label it as the majority. Obviously not every BW progamer is going to enjoy the switch. However, to say that they are all going to retire is just absolutely silly.
I am not going to bother to find the articles for you because there were few articles which cover the aspect of transitioning to sc2 and the possibility of players retiring from the professional scene just because of the switch.
Why get in a discussion t if you aren't willing to supply facts to back your claim? And the more you post, the more it seems like the information you have is speculation as opposed to facts.
The thing is I am not the one doing all the arguments about them retiring and I have already pointed the direction and a hint that they will be retirement coming from the switch . To be honest I don't give a damn whether they retire or not . Get in a discussion huh ? People ask where am I getting the sources I post them in to the coach thread and it's my god damn right to do so .
Time to let go BW fans...... SC2 now faces a brighter future and will evolve into the game BW is today if not more. Really exciting news and I cannot understand how fans of e-sports in general are not excited with lame comments about sc2...cmon guys stop being bitter and face the reality BW had to die someday and now is the best time to transition to SC2!
On May 02 2012 17:21 blabber wrote: what's funny is that while they're all learning sc2, they're going to have to start all over again soon with Heart of the Swarm...
Which is great actually. They got the god mechanics, and with HOTS everyone will have to learn the new stuff, not only those who recently switched
a flawless victory for SC2~!!!!!!! the talent pool in Korea just grows 10 times bigger. i hope that one day sc2 will surpess BW in its glorious day. and for the butthurt non esport fans, don't let the door hit you on your way out
well we kind of new it beforehand. Sad to see professional BW die... but still maybe another individual league coming for you bw guys. I know it's not much but better than nothing...
On May 02 2012 17:27 HellionDrop wrote: a flawless victory for SC2~!!!!!!! the talent pool in Korea just grows 10 times bigger. i hope that one day sc2 will surpess BW in its glorious day. and for the butthurt non esport fans, don't let the door hit you on your way out
I am e-sport fan actually and with my desire to continue supporting e-sport I have already started playing cs go furiously like never before .
On May 02 2012 17:14 Siffer wrote: Why get in a discussion t if you aren't willing to supply facts to back your claim? And the more you post, the more it seems like the information you have is speculation as opposed to facts.
Honestly, I don't understand the hostility towards Sawa. He's giving you just one of many threads. I greatly question your claim that you "regularly" keep up with the BW news. People who claim this usually exhibit very obvious tell-tale signs that they're lying. Yours being that you're unaware of the situation the progamers and coaches have been dealing with. They are not optimistic outside the basic "we're on tv better sound cheerful" tone. If you really read the BW section as well as you claim, their dislike and utter disdain for sc2 would've been known to you for a long time.
On May 02 2012 17:27 HellionDrop wrote: a flawless victory for SC2~!!!!!!! the talent pool in Korea just grows 10 times bigger. i hope that one day sc2 will surpess BW in its glorious day. and for the butthurt non esport fans, don't let the door hit you on your way out
I am e-sport fan actually and with my desire to continue supporting e-sport I have already started playing cs go furiously like never before .
On May 02 2012 17:27 HellionDrop wrote: a flawless victory for SC2~!!!!!!! the talent pool in Korea just grows 10 times bigger. i hope that one day sc2 will surpess BW in its glorious day. and for the butthurt non esport fans, don't let the door hit you on your way out
I am e-sport fan actually and with my desire to continue supporting e-sport I have already started playing cs go furiously like never before .
could someone remind me why KeSPA requires pro-gamers to have a license to game? They're trying to get GSL players to get a license, too?
It sounds like a method of control to me... sorry, but many foreign fans such as myself still have huge mistrust with KeSPA. I am hoping this view will change with time.
Probably was a miss-opportunity for them today to NOT talk about how important the foreign scene is and how much they want to be a part of it.
On May 02 2012 17:52 neoghaleon55 wrote: could someone remind me why KeSPA requires pro-gamers to have a license to game? They're trying to get GSL players to get a license, too?
It sounds like a method of control to me... sorry, but many foreign fans such as myself still have huge mistrust with KeSPA. I am hoping this view will change with time.
Probably was a miss-opportunity for them today to NOT talk about how important the foreign scene is and how much they want to be a part of it.
yup. remove progamer license. so you dont have progamers anymore and make it less professionell. woho
On May 02 2012 17:52 neoghaleon55 wrote: could someone remind me why KeSPA requires pro-gamers to have a license to game? They're trying to get GSL players to get a license, too?
It sounds like a method of control to me... sorry, but many foreign fans such as myself still have huge mistrust with KeSPA. I am hoping this view will change with time.
Probably was a miss-opportunity for them today to NOT talk about how important the foreign scene is and how much they want to be a part of it.
yup. remove progamer license. so you dont have progamers anymore and make it less professionell. woho
a license means absolutely nothing. You license someone to drive a car because it's dangerous to have untrained motorists. There are absolutely no risks to having an untrained gamer.
Refresh me if you understand this better, but I do not see the point.
The part about having to "say goodbye" made me tear up a bit, but I'm really excited for this stage of SC2's life. Man, I was watching season 1 games yesterday and wondering "how did I keep myself up all night with this?!"
On May 02 2012 17:52 neoghaleon55 wrote: could someone remind me why KeSPA requires pro-gamers to have a license to game? They're trying to get GSL players to get a license, too?
It sounds like a method of control to me... sorry, but many foreign fans such as myself still have huge mistrust with KeSPA. I am hoping this view will change with time.
Probably was a miss-opportunity for them today to NOT talk about how important the foreign scene is and how much they want to be a part of it.
yup. remove progamer license. so you dont have progamers anymore and make it less professionell. woho
a license means absolutely nothing. You license someone to drive a car because it's dangerous to have untrained motorists. There are absolutely no risks to having an untrained gamer.
Refresh me if you understand this better, but I do not see the point.
it means you are good enough 2 be on a team/play in the league. if they are good enough get the license. whats the problem?
On May 02 2012 17:52 neoghaleon55 wrote: could someone remind me why KeSPA requires pro-gamers to have a license to game? They're trying to get GSL players to get a license, too?
It sounds like a method of control to me... sorry, but many foreign fans such as myself still have huge mistrust with KeSPA. I am hoping this view will change with time.
Probably was a miss-opportunity for them today to NOT talk about how important the foreign scene is and how much they want to be a part of it.
yup. remove progamer license. so you dont have progamers anymore and make it less professionell. woho
a license means absolutely nothing. You license someone to drive a car because it's dangerous to have untrained motorists. There are absolutely no risks to having an untrained gamer.
Refresh me if you understand this better, but I do not see the point.
as long as it can keep people from making blogs about them going pro, im all for licenses.
Wow, lets hope that Esports can only flourish from now on. Wonder how they'll sort out some foreseeable issues like pro-gaming licences. Blizzard should have a lot of experienced players to get advice from now, for developing HotS, they better make good use of it.
On May 02 2012 17:52 neoghaleon55 wrote: could someone remind me why KeSPA requires pro-gamers to have a license to game? They're trying to get GSL players to get a license, too?
It sounds like a method of control to me... sorry, but many foreign fans such as myself still have huge mistrust with KeSPA. I am hoping this view will change with time.
Probably was a miss-opportunity for them today to NOT talk about how important the foreign scene is and how much they want to be a part of it.
yup. remove progamer license. so you dont have progamers anymore and make it less professionell. woho
a license means absolutely nothing. You license someone to drive a car because it's dangerous to have untrained motorists. There are absolutely no risks to having an untrained gamer.
Refresh me if you understand this better, but I do not see the point.
it means you are good enough 2 be on a team/play in the league. if they are good enough get the license. whats the problem?
There is a fear that the license system is similar to literacy tests used to keep voters out in American history. In similar cases, I have heard that it was difficult for foreigners to obtain a license for broodwars. What's to stop KeSPA from not granting someone a license just because they don't feel like it?
The point is, pro-gamers don't need a license to play. GSL has been running almost 2 years now without licenses for gamers...works just fine.
On May 02 2012 17:52 neoghaleon55 wrote: could someone remind me why KeSPA requires pro-gamers to have a license to game? They're trying to get GSL players to get a license, too?
It sounds like a method of control to me... sorry, but many foreign fans such as myself still have huge mistrust with KeSPA. I am hoping this view will change with time.
Probably was a miss-opportunity for them today to NOT talk about how important the foreign scene is and how much they want to be a part of it.
yup. remove progamer license. so you dont have progamers anymore and make it less professionell. woho
a license means absolutely nothing. You license someone to drive a car because it's dangerous to have untrained motorists. There are absolutely no risks to having an untrained gamer.
Refresh me if you understand this better, but I do not see the point.
quality control and IIRC, licensed progamers get tax breaks from prize winnings
On May 02 2012 17:52 neoghaleon55 wrote: could someone remind me why KeSPA requires pro-gamers to have a license to game? They're trying to get GSL players to get a license, too?
It sounds like a method of control to me... sorry, but many foreign fans such as myself still have huge mistrust with KeSPA. I am hoping this view will change with time.
Probably was a miss-opportunity for them today to NOT talk about how important the foreign scene is and how much they want to be a part of it.
yup. remove progamer license. so you dont have progamers anymore and make it less professionell. woho
a license means absolutely nothing. You license someone to drive a car because it's dangerous to have untrained motorists. There are absolutely no risks to having an untrained gamer.
Refresh me if you understand this better, but I do not see the point.
it stops random scrubs pretending they're pro because they somehow got into GM.
the term "pro" in korea has a strong connotation of official status. having a regulating body is ultimately good for the scene in general. the GSL is regulated by GOM rules and regulations, and the tournament for getting into code A is akin to the courage tournaments (where pro/semi-pro licenses could be won).
On May 02 2012 17:52 neoghaleon55 wrote: could someone remind me why KeSPA requires pro-gamers to have a license to game? They're trying to get GSL players to get a license, too?
It sounds like a method of control to me... sorry, but many foreign fans such as myself still have huge mistrust with KeSPA. I am hoping this view will change with time.
Probably was a miss-opportunity for them today to NOT talk about how important the foreign scene is and how much they want to be a part of it.
yup. remove progamer license. so you dont have progamers anymore and make it less professionell. woho
a license means absolutely nothing. You license someone to drive a car because it's dangerous to have untrained motorists. There are absolutely no risks to having an untrained gamer.
Refresh me if you understand this better, but I do not see the point.
it means you are good enough 2 be on a team/play in the league. if they are good enough get the license. whats the problem?
There is a fear that the license system is similar to literacy tests used to keep voters out in American history. In similar cases, I have heard that it was difficult for foreigners to obtain a license for broodwars. What's to stop KeSPA from not granting someone a license just because they don't feel like it?
The point is, pro-gamers don't need a license to play. GSL has been running almost 2 years now without licenses for gamers...works just fine.
so let them play GSL. but if they want 2 play in a KeSPA league get the license.
and no KeSPA didnt make it hard for foreigners 2 get a license. Foreigners just suck. they even gave idra a license cause he was 2 bad 2 win one.
on the other hand u have guys like desrow or whatever calling themselves pro.
On May 02 2012 17:52 neoghaleon55 wrote: could someone remind me why KeSPA requires pro-gamers to have a license to game? They're trying to get GSL players to get a license, too?
It sounds like a method of control to me... sorry, but many foreign fans such as myself still have huge mistrust with KeSPA. I am hoping this view will change with time.
Probably was a miss-opportunity for them today to NOT talk about how important the foreign scene is and how much they want to be a part of it.
yup. remove progamer license. so you dont have progamers anymore and make it less professionell. woho
a license means absolutely nothing. You license someone to drive a car because it's dangerous to have untrained motorists. There are absolutely no risks to having an untrained gamer.
Refresh me if you understand this better, but I do not see the point.
it means you are good enough 2 be on a team/play in the league. if they are good enough get the license. whats the problem?
There is a fear that the license system is similar to literacy tests used to keep voters out in American history. In similar cases, I have heard that it was difficult for foreigners to obtain a license for broodwars. What's to stop KeSPA from not granting someone a license just because they don't feel like it?
The point is, pro-gamers don't need a license to play. GSL has been running almost 2 years now without licenses for gamers...works just fine.
because that's not how it works..... you win courage, you get a license.
if you're not good enough to win courage teams have a certain amount of licenses they can give out a year to people they think are deserving. it's difficult for foreigners to get a license because courage is fucking impossible. jaedong had to try like 8 times or something ridiculous. that didn't stop assem or legionnaire from winning courage, or idra from being given a license by estro.
On May 02 2012 17:52 neoghaleon55 wrote: could someone remind me why KeSPA requires pro-gamers to have a license to game? They're trying to get GSL players to get a license, too?
It sounds like a method of control to me... sorry, but many foreign fans such as myself still have huge mistrust with KeSPA. I am hoping this view will change with time.
Probably was a miss-opportunity for them today to NOT talk about how important the foreign scene is and how much they want to be a part of it.
yup. remove progamer license. so you dont have progamers anymore and make it less professionell. woho
a license means absolutely nothing. You license someone to drive a car because it's dangerous to have untrained motorists. There are absolutely no risks to having an untrained gamer.
Refresh me if you understand this better, but I do not see the point.
Having a progamer license meant massive tax cuts when it comes to winnings. It ensured that random scrubs don't have the same priviliges as trained professionals. The tax regulations have changed since then, though.
On May 02 2012 16:13 Snowbear wrote: People tend to forget that SC2 games are getting better and better. Some games even provide a BW-feeling.
There's so many people who would flat-out disagree with that second part, its not funny. You should hear what the BW pros said about sc2 and how many of them are incredibly depressed at this news, and even more are leaving esports altogether. Korea is going to keep rejecting this sad excuse for a successor no matter how much Blizzard/GOM try to shove it on us.
Care to provide a source for that? Back it up. I can't remember any news where a lot of them are depressed. What about the one about how Flash was enjoying it? Everyone ignores those right ?
On May 02 2012 17:52 neoghaleon55 wrote: could someone remind me why KeSPA requires pro-gamers to have a license to game? They're trying to get GSL players to get a license, too?
It sounds like a method of control to me... sorry, but many foreign fans such as myself still have huge mistrust with KeSPA. I am hoping this view will change with time.
Probably was a miss-opportunity for them today to NOT talk about how important the foreign scene is and how much they want to be a part of it.
yup. remove progamer license. so you dont have progamers anymore and make it less professionell. woho
a license means absolutely nothing. You license someone to drive a car because it's dangerous to have untrained motorists. There are absolutely no risks to having an untrained gamer.
Refresh me if you understand this better, but I do not see the point.
I have nothing against a license, but I wish Kespa would stop adressing people without license as "not progamer".
On May 02 2012 18:34 Apolo wrote: Do people in other sports need licenses to be considered professional ?
I only played in B-class football league, so I was just an amateur, but I still had to get a sort of licence (player card) that required me to pass medical tests every six months.
On May 02 2012 16:13 Snowbear wrote: People tend to forget that SC2 games are getting better and better. Some games even provide a BW-feeling.
There's so many people who would flat-out disagree with that second part, its not funny. You should hear what the BW pros said about sc2 and how many of them are incredibly depressed at this news, and even more are leaving esports altogether. Korea is going to keep rejecting this sad excuse for a successor no matter how much Blizzard/GOM try to shove it on us.
Care to provide a source for that? Back it up. I can't remember any news where a lot of them are depressed. What about the one about how Flash was enjoying it? Everyone ignores those right ?
It said he's enjoying the competition and new challenge, not that he's enjoying the gameplay. I don't see any incentive for blizzard to fix the game since people are buying it anyway. Sad...
On May 02 2012 18:34 Apolo wrote: Do people in other sports need licenses to be considered professional ?
Yep, at least in every sport I've done (Athletics). You need a license, you need to show before every competition. And as a official you need to check the licenses for the professionals.
"Boxer asked KeSPA that there is a bigger market outside of Korea and whether they have intention of sending their players to overseas to compete. KeSPA answered that they will FULLY support players to compete in overseas tournaments.
OGN commented that they will also have English stream like GomTV has right now"
Lim Yo-Hwan, Korean BW scene owes so much to you. And now you are doing things for SC2... Your place is special in my heart. <3
On May 02 2012 16:13 Snowbear wrote: People tend to forget that SC2 games are getting better and better. Some games even provide a BW-feeling.
There's so many people who would flat-out disagree with that second part, its not funny. You should hear what the BW pros said about sc2 and how many of them are incredibly depressed at this news, and even more are leaving esports altogether. Korea is going to keep rejecting this sad excuse for a successor no matter how much Blizzard/GOM try to shove it on us.
Care to provide a source for that? Back it up. I can't remember any news where a lot of them are depressed. What about the one about how Flash was enjoying it? Everyone ignores those right ?
No idea about the pro scene but outside of it Koreans are still going to be playing BW. They didn't move over to Special Forces 2 when it replaced Special Forces 1 in the Proleague. http://gametrics.com/ Also, even though Warcraft 3 professionally doesn't exist in Korea anymore, it is still ranked 6th. The games that seem to be played a lot and are esports are ones like LOL which were popular before being shown on TV and not the ones where they are shown on TV in the hopes of it becoming popular.
On May 02 2012 18:59 eXistenZ wrote: "Boxer asked KeSPA that there is a bigger market outside of Korea and whether they have intention of sending their players to overseas to compete. KeSPA answered that they will FULLY support players to compete in overseas tournaments.
OGN commented that they will also have English stream like GomTV has right now"
Lim Yo-Hwan, Korean BW scene owes so much to you. And now you are doing things for SC2... Your place is special in my heart. <3
On May 02 2012 13:43 CP-Jun wrote: NEWS 4 : Bits of interesting Q&A section
Boxer asked KeSPA that there is a bigger market outside of Korea and whether they have intention of sending their players to overseas to compete. KeSPA answered that they will FULLY support players to compete in overseas tournaments.
OGN commented that they will also have English stream like GomTV has right now
On May 02 2012 16:13 Snowbear wrote: People tend to forget that SC2 games are getting better and better. Some games even provide a BW-feeling.
There's so many people who would flat-out disagree with that second part, its not funny. You should hear what the BW pros said about sc2 and how many of them are incredibly depressed at this news, and even more are leaving esports altogether. Korea is going to keep rejecting this sad excuse for a successor no matter how much Blizzard/GOM try to shove it on us.
Care to provide a source for that? Back it up. I can't remember any news where a lot of them are depressed. What about the one about how Flash was enjoying it? Everyone ignores those right ?
No idea about the pro scene but outside of it Koreans are still going to be playing BW. They didn't move over to Special Forces 2 when it replaced Special Forces 1 in the Proleague. http://gametrics.com/ Also, even though Warcraft 3 professionally doesn't exist in Korea anymore, it is still ranked 6th. The games that seem to be played a lot and are esports are ones like LOL which were popular before being shown on TV and not the ones where they are shown on TV in the hopes of it becoming popular.
I am so happy they are at least ending BW quickly. I don't think I'd be able to handle a slow fizzing out. I'm so glad they're letting it out with a bang with a full transition like that (one last Starleague, and an amazing PL grand finals).
On May 02 2012 18:59 eXistenZ wrote: "Boxer asked KeSPA that there is a bigger market outside of Korea and whether they have intention of sending their players to overseas to compete. KeSPA answered that they will FULLY support players to compete in overseas tournaments.
OGN commented that they will also have English stream like GomTV has right now"
Lim Yo-Hwan, Korean BW scene owes so much to you. And now you are doing things for SC2... Your place is special in my heart. <3
Is there a main reason that they are using the HotS logo rather than WoL?
After seeing all this moving forward lately Ive thought that the BW would make the transition into HotS rather than WoL anyway, they are not going to want to learn WoL when its going to become some what nul and void as soon as HotS drops.
Am I think to far into this or do we see a transition straight into HotS?
On May 02 2012 16:48 Nineball wrote: sCCrooked, I think the meaning is that when you come with such info, you should back it up yourself. Not make it someone else's work to find out if what you are saying is the truth or not
So one player tweets that he finds sc2 boring and that automatically translates to 'a lot'? I can just as easily link a thread which quotes flash enjoying SC2 and label it as the majority. Obviously not every BW progamer is going to enjoy the switch. However, to say that they are all going to retire is just absolutely silly.
I am not going to bother to find the articles for you because there were few articles which cover the aspect of transitioning to sc2 and the possibility of players retiring from the professional scene just because of the switch.
That's because there were no such god damn articles. Provide facts or gtfo.
On May 02 2012 16:48 Nineball wrote: sCCrooked, I think the meaning is that when you come with such info, you should back it up yourself. Not make it someone else's work to find out if what you are saying is the truth or not
So one player tweets that he finds sc2 boring and that automatically translates to 'a lot'? I can just as easily link a thread which quotes flash enjoying SC2 and label it as the majority. Obviously not every BW progamer is going to enjoy the switch. However, to say that they are all going to retire is just absolutely silly.
I am not going to bother to find the articles for you because there were few articles which cover the aspect of transitioning to sc2 and the possibility of players retiring from the professional scene just because of the switch.
That's because there were no such god damn articles. Provide facts or gtfo.
There is but I don't have time to post it for you . Lazy bum
On May 02 2012 16:48 Nineball wrote: sCCrooked, I think the meaning is that when you come with such info, you should back it up yourself. Not make it someone else's work to find out if what you are saying is the truth or not
So one player tweets that he finds sc2 boring and that automatically translates to 'a lot'? I can just as easily link a thread which quotes flash enjoying SC2 and label it as the majority. Obviously not every BW progamer is going to enjoy the switch. However, to say that they are all going to retire is just absolutely silly.
I am not going to bother to find the articles for you because there were few articles which cover the aspect of transitioning to sc2 and the possibility of players retiring from the professional scene just because of the switch.
That's because there were no such god damn articles. Provide facts or gtfo.
There is but I don't have time to post it for you . Lazy bum
Oh man, I remember those articles, but they're buried so deep within that closed SC2/BW rumors thread. Over 100 pages to sift through -_-
But it was mostly speculation about how apprehensive they were about a big wave of retirements and the possibility of fans not switching over. And a lot of other speculation that we already know about.
Definitely hoping this work out for everyone and they manage to retain and increase the big corporate sponsors. As long as great players like Flash can continue as progamers I would be super happy. I feel that Kespa pick an excellent time to switch to give the best opportunity for their players to succeed at SC2, with HOTS coming out its almost a reset button for strategy and i cant wait to see some ass kicking
On May 02 2012 16:48 Nineball wrote: sCCrooked, I think the meaning is that when you come with such info, you should back it up yourself. Not make it someone else's work to find out if what you are saying is the truth or not
So one player tweets that he finds sc2 boring and that automatically translates to 'a lot'? I can just as easily link a thread which quotes flash enjoying SC2 and label it as the majority. Obviously not every BW progamer is going to enjoy the switch. However, to say that they are all going to retire is just absolutely silly.
I am not going to bother to find the articles for you because there were few articles which cover the aspect of transitioning to sc2 and the possibility of players retiring from the professional scene just because of the switch.
That's because there were no such god damn articles. Provide facts or gtfo.
There is but I don't have time to post it for you . Lazy bum
Claim something exists, won't provide links to it. Great argument you have there. I mean just do it? How hard is it? You have 0 credibility otherwise.
On May 02 2012 16:48 Nineball wrote: sCCrooked, I think the meaning is that when you come with such info, you should back it up yourself. Not make it someone else's work to find out if what you are saying is the truth or not
So one player tweets that he finds sc2 boring and that automatically translates to 'a lot'? I can just as easily link a thread which quotes flash enjoying SC2 and label it as the majority. Obviously not every BW progamer is going to enjoy the switch. However, to say that they are all going to retire is just absolutely silly.
I am not going to bother to find the articles for you because there were few articles which cover the aspect of transitioning to sc2 and the possibility of players retiring from the professional scene just because of the switch.
That's because there were no such god damn articles. Provide facts or gtfo.
There is but I don't have time to post it for you . Lazy bum
Claim something exists, won't provide links to it. Great argument you have there. I mean just do it? How hard is it? You have 0 credibility otherwise.
On May 02 2012 16:48 Nineball wrote: sCCrooked, I think the meaning is that when you come with such info, you should back it up yourself. Not make it someone else's work to find out if what you are saying is the truth or not
So one player tweets that he finds sc2 boring and that automatically translates to 'a lot'? I can just as easily link a thread which quotes flash enjoying SC2 and label it as the majority. Obviously not every BW progamer is going to enjoy the switch. However, to say that they are all going to retire is just absolutely silly.
I am not going to bother to find the articles for you because there were few articles which cover the aspect of transitioning to sc2 and the possibility of players retiring from the professional scene just because of the switch.
That's because there were no such god damn articles. Provide facts or gtfo.
There is but I don't have time to post it for you . Lazy bum
Claim something exists, won't provide links to it. Great argument you have there. I mean just do it? How hard is it? You have 0 credibility otherwise.
Again, it's mostly speculation, but it makes logical sense.
I've read all of these articles about the switch and no where does it say the majority of BW pros are depressed and unhappy about it. Nowhere does it say they're all going to quit either.
On May 02 2012 16:48 Nineball wrote: sCCrooked, I think the meaning is that when you come with such info, you should back it up yourself. Not make it someone else's work to find out if what you are saying is the truth or not
So one player tweets that he finds sc2 boring and that automatically translates to 'a lot'? I can just as easily link a thread which quotes flash enjoying SC2 and label it as the majority. Obviously not every BW progamer is going to enjoy the switch. However, to say that they are all going to retire is just absolutely silly.
I am not going to bother to find the articles for you because there were few articles which cover the aspect of transitioning to sc2 and the possibility of players retiring from the professional scene just because of the switch.
That's because there were no such god damn articles. Provide facts or gtfo.
There is but I don't have time to post it for you . Lazy bum
Claim something exists, won't provide links to it. Great argument you have there. I mean just do it? How hard is it? You have 0 credibility otherwise.
Again, it's mostly speculation, but it makes logical sense.
I've read all of these articles about the switch and no where does it say the majority of BW pros are depressed and unhappy about it. Nowhere does it say they're all going to quit either.
On May 02 2012 16:13 Snowbear wrote: People tend to forget that SC2 games are getting better and better. Some games even provide a BW-feeling.
There's so many people who would flat-out disagree with that second part, its not funny. You should hear what the BW pros said about sc2 and how many of them are incredibly depressed at this news, and even more are leaving esports altogether. Korea is going to keep rejecting this sad excuse for a successor no matter how much Blizzard/GOM try to shove it on us.
Take off your blinders. SC2 is evolving into quite a good game. Games were very boring and unimaginative during beta/early release; however, we are starting to see more and more complex games at the highest level.
What are BW pros currently saying about SC2? I am not interested in what they had to say during beta. What are they saying now that they are playing and practicing the game? I know that Flash, for example, is actually taking a liking to SC2.
Uh... Not really. A large majority of BW pros are upset or planning on leaving. This is all recent released statements and tweets from their channels, not to mention real life statements from my own progamer friends. Take it from someone who is actually here and know them personally, not just from watching them on streams.
Because according to him he is pretty close with some bw pro gamers and they have already disclose some distaste to the switch and retirement is actually an option for them if they don't like the transition.
On May 02 2012 19:58 WArped wrote: I wonder who the OGN English casters will be for SC2? Maybe Wolf and Khaldor decide to make a jump to it. It would be great for their careers.
Or Moletrap and Torch who are already over at SC2 casting LoL. Plus, both have experience with SC2, Moletrap as a caster and Torch as a manager and former player.
But if they cooperate with GOM, maybe seeing Tastosis or Wolf-dor might be a possibility.
On May 02 2012 16:48 Nineball wrote: sCCrooked, I think the meaning is that when you come with such info, you should back it up yourself. Not make it someone else's work to find out if what you are saying is the truth or not
So one player tweets that he finds sc2 boring and that automatically translates to 'a lot'? I can just as easily link a thread which quotes flash enjoying SC2 and label it as the majority. Obviously not every BW progamer is going to enjoy the switch. However, to say that they are all going to retire is just absolutely silly.
I am not going to bother to find the articles for you because there were few articles which cover the aspect of transitioning to sc2 and the possibility of players retiring from the professional scene just because of the switch.
That's because there were no such god damn articles. Provide facts or gtfo.
There is but I don't have time to post it for you . Lazy bum
Claim something exists, won't provide links to it. Great argument you have there. I mean just do it? How hard is it? You have 0 credibility otherwise.
Again, it's mostly speculation, but it makes logical sense.
I've read all of these articles about the switch and no where does it say the majority of BW pros are depressed and unhappy about it. Nowhere does it say they're all going to quit either.
On May 02 2012 16:13 Snowbear wrote: People tend to forget that SC2 games are getting better and better. Some games even provide a BW-feeling.
There's so many people who would flat-out disagree with that second part, its not funny. You should hear what the BW pros said about sc2 and how many of them are incredibly depressed at this news, and even more are leaving esports altogether. Korea is going to keep rejecting this sad excuse for a successor no matter how much Blizzard/GOM try to shove it on us.
Take off your blinders. SC2 is evolving into quite a good game. Games were very boring and unimaginative during beta/early release; however, we are starting to see more and more complex games at the highest level.
What are BW pros currently saying about SC2? I am not interested in what they had to say during beta. What are they saying now that they are playing and practicing the game? I know that Flash, for example, is actually taking a liking to SC2.
Uh... Not really. A large majority of BW pros are upset or planning on leaving. This is all recent released statements and tweets from their channels, not to mention real life statements from my own progamer friends. Take it from someone who is actually here and know them personally, not just from watching them on streams.
Because according to him he is pretty close with some bw pro gamers and they have already disclose some distaste to the switch and retirement is actually an option for them if they don't like the transition.
LOL. So some guys claims all that and you just believe it without question? I'm sure he talks with Flash and co daily to gather their thoughts. We'll see soon how many just retire from being depressed. Also even if they do, there's a ton of b teamers and other people who didn't get the limelight who are loving the switch. They will replace anyone lost.
So one player tweets that he finds sc2 boring and that automatically translates to 'a lot'? I can just as easily link a thread which quotes flash enjoying SC2 and label it as the majority. Obviously not every BW progamer is going to enjoy the switch. However, to say that they are all going to retire is just absolutely silly.
I am not going to bother to find the articles for you because there were few articles which cover the aspect of transitioning to sc2 and the possibility of players retiring from the professional scene just because of the switch.
That's because there were no such god damn articles. Provide facts or gtfo.
There is but I don't have time to post it for you . Lazy bum
Claim something exists, won't provide links to it. Great argument you have there. I mean just do it? How hard is it? You have 0 credibility otherwise.
Again, it's mostly speculation, but it makes logical sense.
I've read all of these articles about the switch and no where does it say the majority of BW pros are depressed and unhappy about it. Nowhere does it say they're all going to quit either.
That you have got to ask this guy ..
On May 02 2012 16:40 sCCrooked wrote:
On May 02 2012 16:35 Siffer wrote:
On May 02 2012 16:29 sCCrooked wrote:
On May 02 2012 16:13 Snowbear wrote: People tend to forget that SC2 games are getting better and better. Some games even provide a BW-feeling.
There's so many people who would flat-out disagree with that second part, its not funny. You should hear what the BW pros said about sc2 and how many of them are incredibly depressed at this news, and even more are leaving esports altogether. Korea is going to keep rejecting this sad excuse for a successor no matter how much Blizzard/GOM try to shove it on us.
Take off your blinders. SC2 is evolving into quite a good game. Games were very boring and unimaginative during beta/early release; however, we are starting to see more and more complex games at the highest level.
What are BW pros currently saying about SC2? I am not interested in what they had to say during beta. What are they saying now that they are playing and practicing the game? I know that Flash, for example, is actually taking a liking to SC2.
Uh... Not really. A large majority of BW pros are upset or planning on leaving. This is all recent released statements and tweets from their channels, not to mention real life statements from my own progamer friends. Take it from someone who is actually here and know them personally, not just from watching them on streams.
Because according to him he is pretty close with some bw pro gamers and they have already disclose some distaste to the switch and retirement is actually an option for them if they don't like the transition.
LOL. So some guys claims all that and you just believe it without question? I'm sure he talks with Flash and co daily to gather their thoughts. We'll see soon how many just retire from being depressed. Also even if they do, there's a ton of b teamers and other people who didn't get the limelight who are loving the switch. They will replace anyone lost.
But what if it's a big name player that retires? What if it's Jaedong or Stork or even Flash that quits because he doesn't like the game? No amount of talented, up-and-coming B-teamers is going to replace those losses. The organizers are banking on the star-power of their top players and teams to help facilitate the transition, and losing anyone would be a huge blow to this transition.
So one player tweets that he finds sc2 boring and that automatically translates to 'a lot'? I can just as easily link a thread which quotes flash enjoying SC2 and label it as the majority. Obviously not every BW progamer is going to enjoy the switch. However, to say that they are all going to retire is just absolutely silly.
I am not going to bother to find the articles for you because there were few articles which cover the aspect of transitioning to sc2 and the possibility of players retiring from the professional scene just because of the switch.
That's because there were no such god damn articles. Provide facts or gtfo.
There is but I don't have time to post it for you . Lazy bum
Claim something exists, won't provide links to it. Great argument you have there. I mean just do it? How hard is it? You have 0 credibility otherwise.
Again, it's mostly speculation, but it makes logical sense.
I've read all of these articles about the switch and no where does it say the majority of BW pros are depressed and unhappy about it. Nowhere does it say they're all going to quit either.
That you have got to ask this guy ..
On May 02 2012 16:40 sCCrooked wrote:
On May 02 2012 16:35 Siffer wrote:
On May 02 2012 16:29 sCCrooked wrote:
On May 02 2012 16:13 Snowbear wrote: People tend to forget that SC2 games are getting better and better. Some games even provide a BW-feeling.
There's so many people who would flat-out disagree with that second part, its not funny. You should hear what the BW pros said about sc2 and how many of them are incredibly depressed at this news, and even more are leaving esports altogether. Korea is going to keep rejecting this sad excuse for a successor no matter how much Blizzard/GOM try to shove it on us.
Take off your blinders. SC2 is evolving into quite a good game. Games were very boring and unimaginative during beta/early release; however, we are starting to see more and more complex games at the highest level.
What are BW pros currently saying about SC2? I am not interested in what they had to say during beta. What are they saying now that they are playing and practicing the game? I know that Flash, for example, is actually taking a liking to SC2.
Uh... Not really. A large majority of BW pros are upset or planning on leaving. This is all recent released statements and tweets from their channels, not to mention real life statements from my own progamer friends. Take it from someone who is actually here and know them personally, not just from watching them on streams.
Because according to him he is pretty close with some bw pro gamers and they have already disclose some distaste to the switch and retirement is actually an option for them if they don't like the transition.
LOL. So some guys claims all that and you just believe it without question? I'm sure he talks with Flash and co daily to gather their thoughts. We'll see soon how many just retire from being depressed. Also even if they do, there's a ton of b teamers and other people who didn't get the limelight who are loving the switch. They will replace anyone lost.
But what if it's a big name player that retires? What if it's Jaedong or Stork or even Flash that quits because he doesn't like the game? No amount of talented, up-and-coming B-teamers is going to replace those losses. The organizers are banking on the star-power of their top players and teams to help facilitate the transition, and losing anyone would be a huge blow to this transition.
So one player tweets that he finds sc2 boring and that automatically translates to 'a lot'? I can just as easily link a thread which quotes flash enjoying SC2 and label it as the majority. Obviously not every BW progamer is going to enjoy the switch. However, to say that they are all going to retire is just absolutely silly.
I am not going to bother to find the articles for you because there were few articles which cover the aspect of transitioning to sc2 and the possibility of players retiring from the professional scene just because of the switch.
That's because there were no such god damn articles. Provide facts or gtfo.
There is but I don't have time to post it for you . Lazy bum
Claim something exists, won't provide links to it. Great argument you have there. I mean just do it? How hard is it? You have 0 credibility otherwise.
Again, it's mostly speculation, but it makes logical sense.
I've read all of these articles about the switch and no where does it say the majority of BW pros are depressed and unhappy about it. Nowhere does it say they're all going to quit either.
That you have got to ask this guy ..
On May 02 2012 16:40 sCCrooked wrote:
On May 02 2012 16:35 Siffer wrote:
On May 02 2012 16:29 sCCrooked wrote:
On May 02 2012 16:13 Snowbear wrote: People tend to forget that SC2 games are getting better and better. Some games even provide a BW-feeling.
There's so many people who would flat-out disagree with that second part, its not funny. You should hear what the BW pros said about sc2 and how many of them are incredibly depressed at this news, and even more are leaving esports altogether. Korea is going to keep rejecting this sad excuse for a successor no matter how much Blizzard/GOM try to shove it on us.
Take off your blinders. SC2 is evolving into quite a good game. Games were very boring and unimaginative during beta/early release; however, we are starting to see more and more complex games at the highest level.
What are BW pros currently saying about SC2? I am not interested in what they had to say during beta. What are they saying now that they are playing and practicing the game? I know that Flash, for example, is actually taking a liking to SC2.
Uh... Not really. A large majority of BW pros are upset or planning on leaving. This is all recent released statements and tweets from their channels, not to mention real life statements from my own progamer friends. Take it from someone who is actually here and know them personally, not just from watching them on streams.
Because according to him he is pretty close with some bw pro gamers and they have already disclose some distaste to the switch and retirement is actually an option for them if they don't like the transition.
LOL. So some guys claims all that and you just believe it without question? I'm sure he talks with Flash and co daily to gather their thoughts. We'll see soon how many just retire from being depressed. Also even if they do, there's a ton of b teamers and other people who didn't get the limelight who are loving the switch. They will replace anyone lost.
But what if it's a big name player that retires? What if it's Jaedong or Stork or even Flash that quits because he doesn't like the game? No amount of talented, up-and-coming B-teamers is going to replace those losses. The organizers are banking on the star-power of their top players and teams to help facilitate the transition, and losing anyone would be a huge blow to this transition.
That won't happen. Atm some pros are kicking wild around them, because they are losing the game they played for years. After they see that their kicking is useless, they will start practicing sc2 really really hard, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them dominate the scene.
So one player tweets that he finds sc2 boring and that automatically translates to 'a lot'? I can just as easily link a thread which quotes flash enjoying SC2 and label it as the majority. Obviously not every BW progamer is going to enjoy the switch. However, to say that they are all going to retire is just absolutely silly.
I am not going to bother to find the articles for you because there were few articles which cover the aspect of transitioning to sc2 and the possibility of players retiring from the professional scene just because of the switch.
That's because there were no such god damn articles. Provide facts or gtfo.
There is but I don't have time to post it for you . Lazy bum
Claim something exists, won't provide links to it. Great argument you have there. I mean just do it? How hard is it? You have 0 credibility otherwise.
Again, it's mostly speculation, but it makes logical sense.
I've read all of these articles about the switch and no where does it say the majority of BW pros are depressed and unhappy about it. Nowhere does it say they're all going to quit either.
That you have got to ask this guy ..
On May 02 2012 16:40 sCCrooked wrote:
On May 02 2012 16:35 Siffer wrote:
On May 02 2012 16:29 sCCrooked wrote:
On May 02 2012 16:13 Snowbear wrote: People tend to forget that SC2 games are getting better and better. Some games even provide a BW-feeling.
There's so many people who would flat-out disagree with that second part, its not funny. You should hear what the BW pros said about sc2 and how many of them are incredibly depressed at this news, and even more are leaving esports altogether. Korea is going to keep rejecting this sad excuse for a successor no matter how much Blizzard/GOM try to shove it on us.
Take off your blinders. SC2 is evolving into quite a good game. Games were very boring and unimaginative during beta/early release; however, we are starting to see more and more complex games at the highest level.
What are BW pros currently saying about SC2? I am not interested in what they had to say during beta. What are they saying now that they are playing and practicing the game? I know that Flash, for example, is actually taking a liking to SC2.
Uh... Not really. A large majority of BW pros are upset or planning on leaving. This is all recent released statements and tweets from their channels, not to mention real life statements from my own progamer friends. Take it from someone who is actually here and know them personally, not just from watching them on streams.
Because according to him he is pretty close with some bw pro gamers and they have already disclose some distaste to the switch and retirement is actually an option for them if they don't like the transition.
LOL. So some guys claims all that and you just believe it without question? I'm sure he talks with Flash and co daily to gather their thoughts. We'll see soon how many just retire from being depressed. Also even if they do, there's a ton of b teamers and other people who didn't get the limelight who are loving the switch. They will replace anyone lost.
But what if it's a big name player that retires? What if it's Jaedong or Stork or even Flash that quits because he doesn't like the game? No amount of talented, up-and-coming B-teamers is going to replace those losses. The organizers are banking on the star-power of their top players and teams to help facilitate the transition, and losing anyone would be a huge blow to this transition.
It's possible but by name i think we know Flash will play SC2. The others probably will also. Not all but most i think. Also the best BW players may not be the best SC2 players. I know there's a ton of hype about Flash and all those and he has a good chance of being one of the best. But people just calm down just a bit, it will be a while before he's at the top GSL player level.
I am not going to bother to find the articles for you because there were few articles which cover the aspect of transitioning to sc2 and the possibility of players retiring from the professional scene just because of the switch.
That's because there were no such god damn articles. Provide facts or gtfo.
There is but I don't have time to post it for you . Lazy bum
Claim something exists, won't provide links to it. Great argument you have there. I mean just do it? How hard is it? You have 0 credibility otherwise.
Again, it's mostly speculation, but it makes logical sense.
I've read all of these articles about the switch and no where does it say the majority of BW pros are depressed and unhappy about it. Nowhere does it say they're all going to quit either.
That you have got to ask this guy ..
On May 02 2012 16:40 sCCrooked wrote:
On May 02 2012 16:35 Siffer wrote:
On May 02 2012 16:29 sCCrooked wrote:
On May 02 2012 16:13 Snowbear wrote: People tend to forget that SC2 games are getting better and better. Some games even provide a BW-feeling.
There's so many people who would flat-out disagree with that second part, its not funny. You should hear what the BW pros said about sc2 and how many of them are incredibly depressed at this news, and even more are leaving esports altogether. Korea is going to keep rejecting this sad excuse for a successor no matter how much Blizzard/GOM try to shove it on us.
Take off your blinders. SC2 is evolving into quite a good game. Games were very boring and unimaginative during beta/early release; however, we are starting to see more and more complex games at the highest level.
What are BW pros currently saying about SC2? I am not interested in what they had to say during beta. What are they saying now that they are playing and practicing the game? I know that Flash, for example, is actually taking a liking to SC2.
Uh... Not really. A large majority of BW pros are upset or planning on leaving. This is all recent released statements and tweets from their channels, not to mention real life statements from my own progamer friends. Take it from someone who is actually here and know them personally, not just from watching them on streams.
Because according to him he is pretty close with some bw pro gamers and they have already disclose some distaste to the switch and retirement is actually an option for them if they don't like the transition.
LOL. So some guys claims all that and you just believe it without question? I'm sure he talks with Flash and co daily to gather their thoughts. We'll see soon how many just retire from being depressed. Also even if they do, there's a ton of b teamers and other people who didn't get the limelight who are loving the switch. They will replace anyone lost.
But what if it's a big name player that retires? What if it's Jaedong or Stork or even Flash that quits because he doesn't like the game? No amount of talented, up-and-coming B-teamers is going to replace those losses. The organizers are banking on the star-power of their top players and teams to help facilitate the transition, and losing anyone would be a huge blow to this transition.
It's possible but by name i think we know Flash will play SC2. The others probably will also. Not all but most i think. Also the best BW players may not be the best SC2 players. I know there's a ton of hype about Flash and all those and he has a good chance of being one of the best. But people just calm down just a bit, it will be a while before he's at the top GSL player level.
But it's initially not going to be a matter of how they perform but a matter of if their legion of fans will follow them in the transition despite how they perform. The big names have a big number of fans. If they severely underperform or quit, then what happens to those fans? SC2 needs all the Korean fans that it can get if it wants the transition to be successful. The organizers are hoping that fans of the players and teams will follow them through the transition to become fans of the actual game, so any hiccup in this process would be a huge blow. There is a ton of PR fluff going around, so we may never really know their true thoughts on SC2 other than through speculation and reading between the lines whenever they talk about it.
Again, it's mostly speculation, but it makes logical sense.
I've read all of these articles about the switch and no where does it say the majority of BW pros are depressed and unhappy about it. Nowhere does it say they're all going to quit either.
That you have got to ask this guy ..
On May 02 2012 16:40 sCCrooked wrote:
On May 02 2012 16:35 Siffer wrote:
On May 02 2012 16:29 sCCrooked wrote:
On May 02 2012 16:13 Snowbear wrote: People tend to forget that SC2 games are getting better and better. Some games even provide a BW-feeling.
There's so many people who would flat-out disagree with that second part, its not funny. You should hear what the BW pros said about sc2 and how many of them are incredibly depressed at this news, and even more are leaving esports altogether. Korea is going to keep rejecting this sad excuse for a successor no matter how much Blizzard/GOM try to shove it on us.
Take off your blinders. SC2 is evolving into quite a good game. Games were very boring and unimaginative during beta/early release; however, we are starting to see more and more complex games at the highest level.
What are BW pros currently saying about SC2? I am not interested in what they had to say during beta. What are they saying now that they are playing and practicing the game? I know that Flash, for example, is actually taking a liking to SC2.
Uh... Not really. A large majority of BW pros are upset or planning on leaving. This is all recent released statements and tweets from their channels, not to mention real life statements from my own progamer friends. Take it from someone who is actually here and know them personally, not just from watching them on streams.
Because according to him he is pretty close with some bw pro gamers and they have already disclose some distaste to the switch and retirement is actually an option for them if they don't like the transition.
LOL. So some guys claims all that and you just believe it without question? I'm sure he talks with Flash and co daily to gather their thoughts. We'll see soon how many just retire from being depressed. Also even if they do, there's a ton of b teamers and other people who didn't get the limelight who are loving the switch. They will replace anyone lost.
But what if it's a big name player that retires? What if it's Jaedong or Stork or even Flash that quits because he doesn't like the game? No amount of talented, up-and-coming B-teamers is going to replace those losses. The organizers are banking on the star-power of their top players and teams to help facilitate the transition, and losing anyone would be a huge blow to this transition.
It's possible but by name i think we know Flash will play SC2. The others probably will also. Not all but most i think. Also the best BW players may not be the best SC2 players. I know there's a ton of hype about Flash and all those and he has a good chance of being one of the best. But people just calm down just a bit, it will be a while before he's at the top GSL player level.
But it's initially not going to be a matter of how they perform but a matter of if their legion of fans will follow them in the transition despite how they perform. The big names have a big number of fans. If they severely underperform or quit, then what happens to those fans? SC2 needs all the Korean fans that it can get if it wants the transition to be successful. The organizers are hoping that fans of the players and teams will follow them through the transition to become fans of the actual game, so any hiccup in this process would be a huge blow. There is a ton of PR fluff going around, so we may never really know their true thoughts on SC2 other than through speculation and reading between the lines whenever they talk about it.
The only hope is that KeSPA somehow forces blizzard to fix the glaring issues within the game instead of applying some band-aid fixes in form of stats altering.
On May 02 2012 20:18 eviltomahawk wrote: But what if it's a big name player that retires? What if it's Jaedong or Stork or even Flash that quits because he doesn't like the game? No amount of talented, up-and-coming B-teamers is going to replace those losses. The organizers are banking on the star-power of their top players and teams to help facilitate the transition, and losing anyone would be a huge blow to this transition.
If it's a big name player then its a big name player, someone will step up to take their place, that's how sports have always worked.
Holy shit, obviously a transition was coming but I honestly had no clue they would start integrating SC2 in season 2 of PL...a couple weeks >< awesome. Very interesting that they have publicly announced backing for their players in foreign tournaments. Always great to see, this is awesome, can't wait!
On May 02 2012 20:18 eviltomahawk wrote: But what if it's a big name player that retires? What if it's Jaedong or Stork or even Flash that quits because he doesn't like the game? No amount of talented, up-and-coming B-teamers is going to replace those losses. The organizers are banking on the star-power of their top players and teams to help facilitate the transition, and losing anyone would be a huge blow to this transition.
If it's a big name player then its a big name player, someone will step up to take their place, that's how sports have always worked.
Eventually, that would be acceptable. However, that wouldn't be so great during the transition period. On one hand, it would be awesome if Flying is destined to become the first Protoss bonjwa, bringing in new fans with each amazing game he plays. However, that won't happen as early as the transition period. On the other hand, if Bisu ends up quitting progaming entirely during the transition, then that would be a disastrous blow to SC2's hopes of becoming a successful esport in Korea, especially considering the hordes of rabid fans that follow Bisu.
In order for the transition to be successful, SC2 MUST latch onto every fan that follows through the transition. It's already an uphill battle against the huge BW fanbase that still may need convincing that SC2 is a worthy game to follow over BW, and it's an uncertain time for the Starcraft scene in general with LoL consuming the market. Having big-name players quit during the transition would scare off a lot of valuable fans. Until other players have grown and gathered substantial fanbases of their own in SC2, Korean SC2 will have to rely on fans of big-name players and teams following them through the transition. Otherwise, viewership will take huge blows if players quit too early.
Boxer asked KeSPA that there is a bigger market outside of Korea and whether they have intention of sending their players to overseas to compete. KeSPA answered that they will FULLY support players to compete in overseas tournaments.
Boxer is, for the millionth time, the fucking man. Also, smart decision here by KeSPA. They realize that SC2 is much more of a global success in a tournament setting than SC1 was right out of the gates.
So Brood War will just be a game, and nothing more. I feel depressed. The last OSL will probably be crap, too, because the players will practice both games.
It's time for Teamliquid to change its slogan to "Proffessional StarCraft 2 news" because there won't be anymore proffessional StarCraft 1.
All I can hope for now is that Blizzard makes StarCraft 2 good with Legacy of the void. If they don't make it a good replacement for Brood War (Not the same, but equally good) then StarCraft has been mutilated forever.
Esports will never be legitimate with shit like this. I felt like we actually had a chance with StarCraft. It lasted for so many years, and became deeper the longer time went on, like Chess. Chess now compared to hundreds of years ago is so different. Imagine what StarCraft could have become if it had lasted as long.
But no, we had to change game again. Esports will always be regarded as a fucking joke compared to normal sports, and games like chess, as long as this is the way it operates, and unless StarCraft 2 becomes as good as StarCraft 1 with the last expansion, StarCraft 2 will eventually be replaced by another game as well. Hell, even if it does become good apparently that's not enough, as we saw with StarCraft 1. There will never be a stable esports industry like football or basketball.
Again, it's mostly speculation, but it makes logical sense.
I've read all of these articles about the switch and no where does it say the majority of BW pros are depressed and unhappy about it. Nowhere does it say they're all going to quit either.
That you have got to ask this guy ..
On May 02 2012 16:40 sCCrooked wrote:
On May 02 2012 16:35 Siffer wrote:
On May 02 2012 16:29 sCCrooked wrote:
On May 02 2012 16:13 Snowbear wrote: People tend to forget that SC2 games are getting better and better. Some games even provide a BW-feeling.
There's so many people who would flat-out disagree with that second part, its not funny. You should hear what the BW pros said about sc2 and how many of them are incredibly depressed at this news, and even more are leaving esports altogether. Korea is going to keep rejecting this sad excuse for a successor no matter how much Blizzard/GOM try to shove it on us.
Take off your blinders. SC2 is evolving into quite a good game. Games were very boring and unimaginative during beta/early release; however, we are starting to see more and more complex games at the highest level.
What are BW pros currently saying about SC2? I am not interested in what they had to say during beta. What are they saying now that they are playing and practicing the game? I know that Flash, for example, is actually taking a liking to SC2.
Uh... Not really. A large majority of BW pros are upset or planning on leaving. This is all recent released statements and tweets from their channels, not to mention real life statements from my own progamer friends. Take it from someone who is actually here and know them personally, not just from watching them on streams.
Because according to him he is pretty close with some bw pro gamers and they have already disclose some distaste to the switch and retirement is actually an option for them if they don't like the transition.
LOL. So some guys claims all that and you just believe it without question? I'm sure he talks with Flash and co daily to gather their thoughts. We'll see soon how many just retire from being depressed. Also even if they do, there's a ton of b teamers and other people who didn't get the limelight who are loving the switch. They will replace anyone lost.
But what if it's a big name player that retires? What if it's Jaedong or Stork or even Flash that quits because he doesn't like the game? No amount of talented, up-and-coming B-teamers is going to replace those losses. The organizers are banking on the star-power of their top players and teams to help facilitate the transition, and losing anyone would be a huge blow to this transition.
It's possible but by name i think we know Flash will play SC2. The others probably will also. Not all but most i think. Also the best BW players may not be the best SC2 players. I know there's a ton of hype about Flash and all those and he has a good chance of being one of the best. But people just calm down just a bit, it will be a while before he's at the top GSL player level.
But it's initially not going to be a matter of how they perform but a matter of if their legion of fans will follow them in the transition despite how they perform. The big names have a big number of fans. If they severely underperform or quit, then what happens to those fans? SC2 needs all the Korean fans that it can get if it wants the transition to be successful. The organizers are hoping that fans of the players and teams will follow them through the transition to become fans of the actual game, so any hiccup in this process would be a huge blow. There is a ton of PR fluff going around, so we may never really know their true thoughts on SC2 other than through speculation and reading between the lines whenever they talk about it.
Read the article about the BW coaches talking about SC2:
On May 02 2012 21:31 vOdToasT wrote: So Brood War will just be a game, and nothing more. I feel depressed. The last OSL will probably be crap, too, because the players will practice both games.
It's time for Teamliquid to change its slogan to "Proffessional StarCraft 2 news" because there won't be anymore proffessional StarCraft 1.
All I can hope for now is that Blizzard makes StarCraft 2 good with Legacy of the void. If they don't make it a good replacement for Brood War (Not the same, but equally good) then StarCraft has been mutilated forever.
Esports will never be legitimate with shit like this. I felt like we actually had a chance with StarCraft. It lasted for so many years, and became deeper the longer time went on, like Chess. Chess now compared to hundreds of years ago is so different. Imagine what StarCraft could have become if it had lasted as long.
But no, we had to change game again. Esports will always be regarded as a fucking joke compared to normal sports, and games like chess, as long as this is the way it operates, and unless StarCraft 2 becomes as good as StarCraft 1 with the last expansion, StarCraft 2 will eventually be replaced by another game as well. Hell, even if it does become good apparently that's not enough, as we saw with StarCraft 1. There will never be a stable esports industry like football or basketball.
starcraft 2 is "the" starcraft from now on ^_^ and is also the synonym of esport. there is a possiblity that sc2 is going to be replaced by something else, but that isn't really a concern atm.
Glad to hear that they're going to have english streams. I'm interested to see how they update their production values for the SC2 leagues. When OGN did SC2 for WCG didn't they still broadcast in 4:3 SD?
On a sidenote; let's see how well lol fares now when some of the biggest companies within esports are promoting the same game. Any bets on just how fast SC2 will become bigger?
EDIT: regarding Broodwar, they have to have some kind of farewell cermony before they shut down Broodwar for good, would like to see that T.T
No, Moletrap will cast specially for all foreigners.
English casters is one of the worst part about this entire thing. I want the korean OGN commentators, damnit. >___________________<
You have to realise that only a very very small portion of the community (mostly bw fans) enjoys korean casting, it would be insane not to have english commentators.
On May 02 2012 21:31 vOdToasT wrote: Esports will never be legitimate with shit like this. I felt like we actually had a chance with StarCraft. It lasted for so many years, and became deeper the longer time went on, like Chess. Chess now compared to hundreds of years ago is so different. Imagine what StarCraft could have become if it had lasted as long.
But no, we had to change game again. Esports will always be regarded as a fucking joke compared to normal sports, and games like chess, as long as this is the way it operates, and unless StarCraft 2 becomes as good as StarCraft 1 with the last expansion, StarCraft 2 will eventually be replaced by another game as well. Hell, even if it does become good apparently that's not enough, as we saw with StarCraft 1. There will never be a stable esports industry like football or basketball.
Yeah, I agree with this. Most people on this site have no idea how many proleagues have appeared and disappeared on OGN and MBC in the time since Starcraft became notable. Lots of games have just gone away. Anybody here still playing competitive Atrox?
On May 02 2012 21:31 vOdToasT wrote: So Brood War will just be a game, and nothing more. I feel depressed. The last OSL will probably be crap, too, because the players will practice both games.
It's time for Teamliquid to change its slogan to "Proffessional StarCraft 2 news" because there won't be anymore proffessional StarCraft 1.
All I can hope for now is that Blizzard makes StarCraft 2 good with Legacy of the void. If they don't make it a good replacement for Brood War (Not the same, but equally good) then StarCraft has been mutilated forever.
Esports will never be legitimate with shit like this. I felt like we actually had a chance with StarCraft. It lasted for so many years, and became deeper the longer time went on, like Chess. Chess now compared to hundreds of years ago is so different. Imagine what StarCraft could have become if it had lasted as long.
But no, we had to change game again. Esports will always be regarded as a fucking joke compared to normal sports, and games like chess, as long as this is the way it operates, and unless StarCraft 2 becomes as good as StarCraft 1 with the last expansion, StarCraft 2 will eventually be replaced by another game as well. Hell, even if it does become good apparently that's not enough, as we saw with StarCraft 1. There will never be a stable esports industry like football or basketball.
starcraft 2 is "the" starcraft from now on ^_^ and is also the synonym of esport. there is a possiblity that sc2 is going to be replaced by something else, but that isn't really a concern atm.
Again, it's mostly speculation, but it makes logical sense.
I've read all of these articles about the switch and no where does it say the majority of BW pros are depressed and unhappy about it. Nowhere does it say they're all going to quit either.
That you have got to ask this guy ..
On May 02 2012 16:40 sCCrooked wrote:
On May 02 2012 16:35 Siffer wrote:
On May 02 2012 16:29 sCCrooked wrote:
On May 02 2012 16:13 Snowbear wrote: People tend to forget that SC2 games are getting better and better. Some games even provide a BW-feeling.
There's so many people who would flat-out disagree with that second part, its not funny. You should hear what the BW pros said about sc2 and how many of them are incredibly depressed at this news, and even more are leaving esports altogether. Korea is going to keep rejecting this sad excuse for a successor no matter how much Blizzard/GOM try to shove it on us.
Take off your blinders. SC2 is evolving into quite a good game. Games were very boring and unimaginative during beta/early release; however, we are starting to see more and more complex games at the highest level.
What are BW pros currently saying about SC2? I am not interested in what they had to say during beta. What are they saying now that they are playing and practicing the game? I know that Flash, for example, is actually taking a liking to SC2.
Uh... Not really. A large majority of BW pros are upset or planning on leaving. This is all recent released statements and tweets from their channels, not to mention real life statements from my own progamer friends. Take it from someone who is actually here and know them personally, not just from watching them on streams.
Because according to him he is pretty close with some bw pro gamers and they have already disclose some distaste to the switch and retirement is actually an option for them if they don't like the transition.
LOL. So some guys claims all that and you just believe it without question? I'm sure he talks with Flash and co daily to gather their thoughts. We'll see soon how many just retire from being depressed. Also even if they do, there's a ton of b teamers and other people who didn't get the limelight who are loving the switch. They will replace anyone lost.
But what if it's a big name player that retires? What if it's Jaedong or Stork or even Flash that quits because he doesn't like the game? No amount of talented, up-and-coming B-teamers is going to replace those losses. The organizers are banking on the star-power of their top players and teams to help facilitate the transition, and losing anyone would be a huge blow to this transition.
It's possible but by name i think we know Flash will play SC2. The others probably will also. Not all but most i think. Also the best BW players may not be the best SC2 players. I know there's a ton of hype about Flash and all those and he has a good chance of being one of the best. But people just calm down just a bit, it will be a while before he's at the top GSL player level.
But it's initially not going to be a matter of how they perform but a matter of if their legion of fans will follow them in the transition despite how they perform. The big names have a big number of fans. If they severely underperform or quit, then what happens to those fans? SC2 needs all the Korean fans that it can get if it wants the transition to be successful. The organizers are hoping that fans of the players and teams will follow them through the transition to become fans of the actual game, so any hiccup in this process would be a huge blow. There is a ton of PR fluff going around, so we may never really know their true thoughts on SC2 other than through speculation and reading between the lines whenever they talk about it.
Read the article about the BW coaches talking about SC2:
It seems that players are enjoying playing SC2, some of them would have retired even if they had to keep playing BW.
Could be a lot of PR fluff. Or not. Nothing is certain. KeSPA players and teams are good at controlling this PR stuff. I think everyone wants the SC2 transition to succeed for the sake of their careers in esports lest another game like LoL or DotA2 take over what was once the domain of Starcraft, so they're not openly shit-talking SC2 to help this transition along.
I want this transition to succeed. I think most everyone is hoping for success. SC2 becomes successful in Korea. Blizzard improves SC2 to become better than BW. SC2 becomes even more successful around the world. Or at least that's the best case scenario.
If it fails, then that would be the worst case. It would be almost impossible to fall back on BW considering the amount invested into SC2 for what could be a long period of time considering there are still 2 xpacks on the way. Starcraft would just be supplanted by another, possibly lesser game, and most of the pro players would drift away into obscurity after retiring from the anomaly that was competitive Korean Starcraft. No one wants this to happen, so a lot is riding on how much Blizzard can improve the game, how much SC2 can take hold in Korea and around the world, and how much better than game can be with this influx of skill and professionalism and money.
On May 02 2012 21:31 vOdToasT wrote: Esports will never be legitimate with shit like this. I felt like we actually had a chance with StarCraft. It lasted for so many years, and became deeper the longer time went on, like Chess. Chess now compared to hundreds of years ago is so different. Imagine what StarCraft could have become if it had lasted as long.
But no, we had to change game again. Esports will always be regarded as a fucking joke compared to normal sports, and games like chess, as long as this is the way it operates, and unless StarCraft 2 becomes as good as StarCraft 1 with the last expansion, StarCraft 2 will eventually be replaced by another game as well. Hell, even if it does become good apparently that's not enough, as we saw with StarCraft 1. There will never be a stable esports industry like football or basketball.
If chess now is a completely different game, what's the difference to SC:BW/SC2? It's just the name, really. Esports is barely 15 years old. It took hundreds of years for games like soccer to get everybody to use the same rules.
The other thing is that you really can't compare video games with a traditional game like chess.
THAT IS AMAZING ! great news for all of SC2 fans ! I'm just wondering about that "pro" status, how will that work, what requirements will the players have to meet to become a pro in the eyes of KESPA.
On May 02 2012 21:53 Integra wrote: On a sidenote; let's see how well lol fares now when some of the biggest companies within esports are promoting the same game. Any bets on just how fast SC2 will become bigger?
EDIT: regarding Broodwar, they have to have some kind of farewell cermony before they shut down Broodwar for good, would like to see that T.T
I still doubt that it will become bigger than LoL. It has the potential to, but LoL is just so much more accessible to your average player. LoL probably won't be overtaken until it actually dies out in popularity in general.
On May 02 2012 21:31 vOdToasT wrote: Esports will never be legitimate with shit like this. I felt like we actually had a chance with StarCraft. It lasted for so many years, and became deeper the longer time went on, like Chess. Chess now compared to hundreds of years ago is so different. Imagine what StarCraft could have become if it had lasted as long.
But no, we had to change game again. Esports will always be regarded as a fucking joke compared to normal sports, and games like chess, as long as this is the way it operates, and unless StarCraft 2 becomes as good as StarCraft 1 with the last expansion, StarCraft 2 will eventually be replaced by another game as well. Hell, even if it does become good apparently that's not enough, as we saw with StarCraft 1. There will never be a stable esports industry like football or basketball.
If chess now is a completely different game, what's the difference to SC:BW/SC2? It's just the name, really. Esports is barely 15 years old. It took hundreds of years for games like soccer to get everybody to use the same rules.
The other thing is that you really can't compare video games with a traditional game like chess.
When you change game, you reset the development of strategy. And I never said chess is a completely different game now compared to the past, I said it is " so different " because of strategic development. Like pro Brood War was different 10 years ago.
this is disgusting. BW will always have a small but dedicated fanbase. if it is possible to both games to coexist as they say, then why phase it out by season 3? having both games in the league is a win-win for most people.
This is a great loss. I don't hold anything against kespa or ogn for trying to stay relevant in the changing times, but a full transition away from BW has me feeling like a good friend just died.
For the sake of e-sports, I want to see SC2 succeed and become a better spectator sport. I just wish it wasn't done by climbing over the still warm corpse of BW.
It will improve somehow the whole e-sports thing and grow international. Sadly it will be over the dead BW body, and I hope Blizzard fixes somehow at least the biggest problems that SCII has to date.
Tbh I'd rather have them showing as live Korean cast and the releasing VODs with substitles in english. Much better imo than any of English casting we have
On May 02 2012 23:05 Art.FeeL wrote: Tbh I'd rather have them showing as live Korean cast and the releasing VODs with substitles in english. Much better imo than any of English casting we have
So true. On my part its more that i love the korean language than hating on our english speaking casters.
Sad that BW will fade away, but happy to see that the scene will move on with a positive start. Looks like the transition will be conducted professionally and with good intentions for all the parties involved. Looking forward to the upcoming season!
Again, it's mostly speculation, but it makes logical sense.
I've read all of these articles about the switch and no where does it say the majority of BW pros are depressed and unhappy about it. Nowhere does it say they're all going to quit either.
That you have got to ask this guy ..
On May 02 2012 16:40 sCCrooked wrote:
On May 02 2012 16:35 Siffer wrote:
On May 02 2012 16:29 sCCrooked wrote: [quote]
There's so many people who would flat-out disagree with that second part, its not funny. You should hear what the BW pros said about sc2 and how many of them are incredibly depressed at this news, and even more are leaving esports altogether. Korea is going to keep rejecting this sad excuse for a successor no matter how much Blizzard/GOM try to shove it on us.
Take off your blinders. SC2 is evolving into quite a good game. Games were very boring and unimaginative during beta/early release; however, we are starting to see more and more complex games at the highest level.
What are BW pros currently saying about SC2? I am not interested in what they had to say during beta. What are they saying now that they are playing and practicing the game? I know that Flash, for example, is actually taking a liking to SC2.
Uh... Not really. A large majority of BW pros are upset or planning on leaving. This is all recent released statements and tweets from their channels, not to mention real life statements from my own progamer friends. Take it from someone who is actually here and know them personally, not just from watching them on streams.
Because according to him he is pretty close with some bw pro gamers and they have already disclose some distaste to the switch and retirement is actually an option for them if they don't like the transition.
LOL. So some guys claims all that and you just believe it without question? I'm sure he talks with Flash and co daily to gather their thoughts. We'll see soon how many just retire from being depressed. Also even if they do, there's a ton of b teamers and other people who didn't get the limelight who are loving the switch. They will replace anyone lost.
But what if it's a big name player that retires? What if it's Jaedong or Stork or even Flash that quits because he doesn't like the game? No amount of talented, up-and-coming B-teamers is going to replace those losses. The organizers are banking on the star-power of their top players and teams to help facilitate the transition, and losing anyone would be a huge blow to this transition.
It's possible but by name i think we know Flash will play SC2. The others probably will also. Not all but most i think. Also the best BW players may not be the best SC2 players. I know there's a ton of hype about Flash and all those and he has a good chance of being one of the best. But people just calm down just a bit, it will be a while before he's at the top GSL player level.
But it's initially not going to be a matter of how they perform but a matter of if their legion of fans will follow them in the transition despite how they perform. The big names have a big number of fans. If they severely underperform or quit, then what happens to those fans? SC2 needs all the Korean fans that it can get if it wants the transition to be successful. The organizers are hoping that fans of the players and teams will follow them through the transition to become fans of the actual game, so any hiccup in this process would be a huge blow. There is a ton of PR fluff going around, so we may never really know their true thoughts on SC2 other than through speculation and reading between the lines whenever they talk about it.
Read the article about the BW coaches talking about SC2:
It seems that players are enjoying playing SC2, some of them would have retired even if they had to keep playing BW.
Could be a lot of PR fluff. Or not. Nothing is certain. KeSPA players and teams are good at controlling this PR stuff. I think everyone wants the SC2 transition to succeed for the sake of their careers in esports lest another game like LoL or DotA2 take over what was once the domain of Starcraft, so they're not openly shit-talking SC2 to help this transition along.
I want this transition to succeed. I think most everyone is hoping for success. SC2 becomes successful in Korea. Blizzard improves SC2 to become better than BW. SC2 becomes even more successful around the world. Or at least that's the best case scenario.
If it fails, then that would be the worst case. It would be almost impossible to fall back on BW considering the amount invested into SC2 for what could be a long period of time considering there are still 2 xpacks on the way. Starcraft would just be supplanted by another, possibly lesser game, and most of the pro players would drift away into obscurity after retiring from the anomaly that was competitive Korean Starcraft. No one wants this to happen, so a lot is riding on how much Blizzard can improve the game, how much SC2 can take hold in Korea and around the world, and how much better than game can be with this influx of skill and professionalism and money.
They may have kept silent about players who doesn't like the game, but you know they wouldn't lie or come up with stories about a thing like this. It's not that hard to believe that some players actually like SC2 (the game, the new competition or the new chance to shine.. whatever the reason).
I will watch the Pro League for sure... because Pro League format over the GSTL format any days.
But the solo league from OGN... meeeeeh, I don't think so. I don't have that much time and just don't have enough time to watch more than a team league and a solo league, and I prefer following GOMTV than KesPA on that one.
As a hardcore BW fanatic since the age of 11 and a hardcore SC2 fan as well, it hurts me that BW is going to "die", but at the same time, this news excites me. It's good that all parties involved are amicably working together to evolve the SC2 scene. Can't wait to see the likes of Flash, Jaedong, and Bisu go up against MVP, Nestea, DRG, MC, etc.
With that said, I can't help but feel bad and pissed at the same time for the other BW hardcores. I know how it feels like to have something so cherished and beloved to be taken away all of a sudden, but they're acting like a bunch of babies by taking shots at SC2. I know they're the minority, but it's still unsettling. All I can say is that hopefully, SC2 will prove you guys wrong in the future. After all, it's only approaching its 2nd year in existence. BW had more than 10 years to become the RTS standard that it is today.
Again, it's mostly speculation, but it makes logical sense.
I've read all of these articles about the switch and no where does it say the majority of BW pros are depressed and unhappy about it. Nowhere does it say they're all going to quit either.
That you have got to ask this guy ..
On May 02 2012 16:40 sCCrooked wrote:
On May 02 2012 16:35 Siffer wrote: [quote]
Take off your blinders. SC2 is evolving into quite a good game. Games were very boring and unimaginative during beta/early release; however, we are starting to see more and more complex games at the highest level.
What are BW pros currently saying about SC2? I am not interested in what they had to say during beta. What are they saying now that they are playing and practicing the game? I know that Flash, for example, is actually taking a liking to SC2.
Uh... Not really. A large majority of BW pros are upset or planning on leaving. This is all recent released statements and tweets from their channels, not to mention real life statements from my own progamer friends. Take it from someone who is actually here and know them personally, not just from watching them on streams.
Because according to him he is pretty close with some bw pro gamers and they have already disclose some distaste to the switch and retirement is actually an option for them if they don't like the transition.
LOL. So some guys claims all that and you just believe it without question? I'm sure he talks with Flash and co daily to gather their thoughts. We'll see soon how many just retire from being depressed. Also even if they do, there's a ton of b teamers and other people who didn't get the limelight who are loving the switch. They will replace anyone lost.
But what if it's a big name player that retires? What if it's Jaedong or Stork or even Flash that quits because he doesn't like the game? No amount of talented, up-and-coming B-teamers is going to replace those losses. The organizers are banking on the star-power of their top players and teams to help facilitate the transition, and losing anyone would be a huge blow to this transition.
It's possible but by name i think we know Flash will play SC2. The others probably will also. Not all but most i think. Also the best BW players may not be the best SC2 players. I know there's a ton of hype about Flash and all those and he has a good chance of being one of the best. But people just calm down just a bit, it will be a while before he's at the top GSL player level.
But it's initially not going to be a matter of how they perform but a matter of if their legion of fans will follow them in the transition despite how they perform. The big names have a big number of fans. If they severely underperform or quit, then what happens to those fans? SC2 needs all the Korean fans that it can get if it wants the transition to be successful. The organizers are hoping that fans of the players and teams will follow them through the transition to become fans of the actual game, so any hiccup in this process would be a huge blow. There is a ton of PR fluff going around, so we may never really know their true thoughts on SC2 other than through speculation and reading between the lines whenever they talk about it.
Read the article about the BW coaches talking about SC2:
It seems that players are enjoying playing SC2, some of them would have retired even if they had to keep playing BW.
Could be a lot of PR fluff. Or not. Nothing is certain. KeSPA players and teams are good at controlling this PR stuff. I think everyone wants the SC2 transition to succeed for the sake of their careers in esports lest another game like LoL or DotA2 take over what was once the domain of Starcraft, so they're not openly shit-talking SC2 to help this transition along.
I want this transition to succeed. I think most everyone is hoping for success. SC2 becomes successful in Korea. Blizzard improves SC2 to become better than BW. SC2 becomes even more successful around the world. Or at least that's the best case scenario.
If it fails, then that would be the worst case. It would be almost impossible to fall back on BW considering the amount invested into SC2 for what could be a long period of time considering there are still 2 xpacks on the way. Starcraft would just be supplanted by another, possibly lesser game, and most of the pro players would drift away into obscurity after retiring from the anomaly that was competitive Korean Starcraft. No one wants this to happen, so a lot is riding on how much Blizzard can improve the game, how much SC2 can take hold in Korea and around the world, and how much better than game can be with this influx of skill and professionalism and money.
They may have kept silent about players who doesn't like the game, but you know they wouldn't lie or come up with stories about a thing like this. It's not that hard to believe that some players actually like SC2 (the game, the new competition or the new chance to shine.. whatever the reason).
I'd give it up, every time someone has asked for a source they haven't given one except for a guy who claims to talk to them because he's from South Korea (which is as reliable as saying, because I'm English I'm good friends with David Beckham.) Everything that has been tried to argue has been speculation with no source. Then this source is provided to say otherwise, they write it off as "PR fluff." Basically they are in denial. You can't have a rational discussion with someone who cannot accept facts. They have yet to provide evidence of a mass hatred of SC2 by the current BW players, or that there will be significant retirements due to the switch. Just speculation at a time when no one had facts of anything.
This is definitely a step in the right direction. Globalization will help esports grow. And the Korean stranglehold will be temporary. England used to be the best in soccer, now they are still good, but there are plenty other countries that do well. It may take 10 years, but we can look forward to foreign superstars in the future.
On May 03 2012 00:02 Kommander wrote: As a hardcore BW fanatic since the age of 11 and a hardcore SC2 fan as well, it hurts me that BW is going to "die", but at the same time, this news excites me. It's good that all parties involved are amicably working together to evolve the SC2 scene. Can't wait to see the likes of Flash, Jaedong, and Bisu go up against MVP, Nestea, DRG, MC, etc.
With that said, I can't help but feel bad and pissed at the same time for the other BW hardcores. I know how it feels like to have something so cherished and beloved to be taken away all of a sudden, but they're acting like a bunch of babies by taking shots at SC2. I know they're the minority, but it's still unsettling. All I can say is that hopefully, SC2 will prove you guys wrong in the future. After all, it's only approaching its 2nd year in existence. BW had more than 10 years to become the RTS standard that it is today.
I'm not mad, just really really sad. I almost cried after reading this article. I REALLY hope that the patches for sc2 will turn up the heat. If sc2 could serve as proper replacement, I couldn't be happier about the transition.
I didnt read the thread, so maybe i just "repost" an idea... but what if: moletrap knew about OGN intending to have an english stream for SC2, so he gets in there casting LOL then switching over to SC2?
On May 03 2012 00:22 Grumpel wrote: I didnt read the thread, so maybe i just "repost" an idea... but what if: moletrap knew about OGN intending to have an english stream for SC2, so he gets in there casting LOL then switching over to SC2?
They probably approached him first. Considering the SC2 is going to start in May, they must already have English casters.
On May 02 2012 21:53 Integra wrote: On a sidenote; let's see how well lol fares now when some of the biggest companies within esports are promoting the same game. Any bets on just how fast SC2 will become bigger?
EDIT: regarding Broodwar, they have to have some kind of farewell cermony before they shut down Broodwar for good, would like to see that T.T
I still doubt that it will become bigger than LoL. It has the potential to, but LoL is just so much more accessible to your average player. LoL probably won't be overtaken until it actually dies out in popularity in general.
We will see. The people that knows this kind of stuff claims that a game can't become longterm (note longterm) successfull unless it has a proper developed market with competent companies that supports it. That it is only "popular" won't be enough in the long term. Will be interesting to see if this will hold true between LoL, highly popular, at least right now, against SC2, not as popular or as high player base but with a far more established market, specially after OGN/Gretech/KESPA/Blizzard now all support SC2.
On May 03 2012 00:31 IPS.Mardow. wrote: Am I understand this right? So Players like Bisu, Flash, Jaedong, Stork etc are going to play SC2 from now on?
Kespas plan was to shut down BW in July or something, when a new season begin if I read it correctly. I think that will mean they will go fulltime SC2, if they don't quit so I believe the answer should be yes.
I hope GSL and this new OGN tournament do not collide with each other. I want to see all players in both tournaments. Main question is can current sc2 players attend to this new one and can current kespa players attend to GSL???? If they collide it will be a shame.
This is great news, altough nothing is sure yet, it looks like we are going to have an OSL with Kespa and Current SC2 players. And maybe even a pro league with also GSTL teams. Atleast Kespa doesnt ignore the GSL teams completely if they are open for it.
And Kespa players in foreign events!!! this will be amazing
While I am excited to see the performance of the BW pros in SC2, I am surprised that BW is being totally phased out. I just did not expect that. Then again, I have not been following much Starcraft at all recently.
Has BW been losing viewers and sponsors that badly as of late?
Ogn says they are going to have English casters; I read that as moletrap is back! I'm worried about the gsl- it's been my premier tournament and I don't want it to go away.
It's definitely time that the foreigner community kicks into higher gear. Maybe Red Bull and Day9 can pull something off in that regard. Red Bull is certainly enough of a heavy weight...
On May 03 2012 01:37 archonOOid wrote: This will be the end of the foreign scene at least from a player perspective.
Hardly. The best foreigners compete quite readily at the moment with high level Koreans and there's been no evidence to suggest that people like Flash will find it any easier to deal with someone like Thorzain or Naniwa.
Terrible news. As a BW fan this is a very sad day, and I'd be careful with celebrating if you're a SC2 fan as well - a sudden influx of the absolute elite in RTS gaming does not bode well for foreigners.
On May 02 2012 23:05 Art.FeeL wrote: Tbh I'd rather have them showing as live Korean cast and the releasing VODs with substitles in english. Much better imo than any of English casting we have
So true. On my part its more that i love the korean language than hating on our english speaking casters.
I would love it if English casting was on par with the Korean casting but if they want a fully robust service then they should do this. An added benefit of having two Korean leagues now is we will probably start to see stuff like this. OGN and GOM will be competing with each other, and while GOM has been no slouch when it comes to improving this will provide more incentive.
On May 02 2012 21:31 vOdToasT wrote: So Brood War will just be a game, and nothing more. I feel depressed. The last OSL will probably be crap, too, because the players will practice both games.
It's time for Teamliquid to change its slogan to "Proffessional StarCraft 2 news" because there won't be anymore proffessional StarCraft 1.
All I can hope for now is that Blizzard makes StarCraft 2 good with Legacy of the void. If they don't make it a good replacement for Brood War (Not the same, but equally good) then StarCraft has been mutilated forever.
Esports will never be legitimate with shit like this. I felt like we actually had a chance with StarCraft. It lasted for so many years, and became deeper the longer time went on, like Chess. Chess now compared to hundreds of years ago is so different. Imagine what StarCraft could have become if it had lasted as long.
But no, we had to change game again. Esports will always be regarded as a fucking joke compared to normal sports, and games like chess, as long as this is the way it operates, and unless StarCraft 2 becomes as good as StarCraft 1 with the last expansion, StarCraft 2 will eventually be replaced by another game as well. Hell, even if it does become good apparently that's not enough, as we saw with StarCraft 1. There will never be a stable esports industry like football or basketball.
starcraft 2 is "the" starcraft from now on ^_^ and is also the synonym of esport. there is a possiblity that sc2 is going to be replaced by something else, but that isn't really a concern atm.
League of Legends and DoTA are also getting to be pretty big pretty fast...
On May 03 2012 02:00 Dandeh wrote: Was writing a very careful and thoughtful comment and then realized this was on the SC2 forum, oh the irony, let's just hope for the best of Esports.
Shutup. I was never apart of BW, got into SC2 late into the game, but that doesn't mean I cannot express myself thoughtfully. Same can be said about most of this forum.
On May 02 2012 21:31 vOdToasT wrote: So Brood War will just be a game, and nothing more. I feel depressed. The last OSL will probably be crap, too, because the players will practice both games.
It's time for Teamliquid to change its slogan to "Proffessional StarCraft 2 news" because there won't be anymore proffessional StarCraft 1.
All I can hope for now is that Blizzard makes StarCraft 2 good with Legacy of the void. If they don't make it a good replacement for Brood War (Not the same, but equally good) then StarCraft has been mutilated forever.
Esports will never be legitimate with shit like this. I felt like we actually had a chance with StarCraft. It lasted for so many years, and became deeper the longer time went on, like Chess. Chess now compared to hundreds of years ago is so different. Imagine what StarCraft could have become if it had lasted as long.
But no, we had to change game again. Esports will always be regarded as a fucking joke compared to normal sports, and games like chess, as long as this is the way it operates, and unless StarCraft 2 becomes as good as StarCraft 1 with the last expansion, StarCraft 2 will eventually be replaced by another game as well. Hell, even if it does become good apparently that's not enough, as we saw with StarCraft 1. There will never be a stable esports industry like football or basketball.
starcraft 2 is "the" starcraft from now on ^_^ and is also the synonym of esport. there is a possiblity that sc2 is going to be replaced by something else, but that isn't really a concern atm.
League of Legends and DoTA are also getting to be pretty big pretty fast...
On May 02 2012 21:53 Integra wrote: On a sidenote; let's see how well lol fares now when some of the biggest companies within esports are promoting the same game. Any bets on just how fast SC2 will become bigger?
EDIT: regarding Broodwar, they have to have some kind of farewell cermony before they shut down Broodwar for good, would like to see that T.T
I still doubt that it will become bigger than LoL. It has the potential to, but LoL is just so much more accessible to your average player. LoL probably won't be overtaken until it actually dies out in popularity in general.
We will see. The people that knows this kind of stuff claims that a game can't become longterm (note longterm) successfull unless it has a proper developed market with competent companies that supports it. That it is only "popular" won't be enough in the long term. Will be interesting to see if this will hold true between LoL, highly popular, at least right now, against SC2, not as popular or as high player base but with a far more established market, specially after OGN/Gretech/KESPA/Blizzard now all support SC2.
But KESTA, OGN and Riot also support LoL, so in that sense they are in almost even footing.
What we need to see is if the majority of BW fans/viewers change to SC2 too, only the players is not enough. Let's hope so, that way the Starcraft brand can continue to grow and improve.
Edit: And OGN has Torch and Moletrap, they are casting League of Legends now, but they can easily change to cast SC2.
On May 03 2012 02:00 Dandeh wrote: Was writing a very careful and thoughtful comment and then realized this was on the SC2 forum, oh the irony, let's just hope for the best of Esports.
Shutup. I was never apart of BW, got into SC2 late into the game, but that doesn't mean I cannot express myself thoughtfully. Same can be said about most of this forum.
No need to be so aggressive about it, im not flaming anyone, which was the point of my short post, i was writing a longer review on the stuff that mattered to me personally without trying to flame, however since this is on SC2 and not on BW, even that would be considered flaming or trolling on purpose, which is why I just summarized it to "let's hope for the best of Esports", which, in the end, is what matters to me.
On May 03 2012 02:00 Dandeh wrote: Was writing a very careful and thoughtful comment and then realized this was on the SC2 forum, oh the irony, let's just hope for the best of Esports.
Shutup. I was never apart of BW, got into SC2 late into the game, but that doesn't mean I cannot express myself thoughtfully. Same can be said about most of this forum.
No need to be so aggressive about it, im not flaming anyone, which was the point of my short post, i was writing a longer review on the stuff that mattered to me personally without trying to flame, however since this is on SC2 and not on BW, even that would be considered flaming or trolling on purpose, which is why I just summarized it to "let's hope for the best of Esports", which, in the end, is what matters to me.
Have a nice day
Write your opinion. Even if you shit on SC2, input/discussion is always welcome because over passivity makes the forums bland. At the very least it's preferable over subtle insults, which is how I took your comment (maybe that wasn't your intention, I don't know).
As I suspected, GOM will pretty much fill the role of MBC as an opposite to OGN. I hope many good things will come from this and that they will be able to find a good schedule for players to participate in both old and new SC2 tournaments.
Now if only Tastosis could cast both GSL and SC2-OSL...
On May 03 2012 03:35 Rowa wrote: I'm really sorry but I just can't wait for another MKP vs Parting style disconnect during the finals of a very big event like OGN Finals.
Also I feel we will need Golden Mouse awards and all that jazz since we may see some genius players winning it all
By then, Blizzard will surely have implemented the technology to restart a game from a replay or maybe auto-save a game during a disconnect.
In BW you can save a multiplayer game. Once saved, you can rejoin it (the game will go to the lobby again where you can simply arrange the teams). Once resumed, the game starts off exactly as it was when saved. I don't know if, if you save a game after a player has left and then rejoin it, whether the game lobby will support both players again though.
(If you were wondering, the reason why game saving isn't used in pro BW was because it was unneeded for the most part due to LAN and because saving the game pauses the game for 2-3 seconds which interrupts the game flow. If there was an auto save on disconnect, that would be different of course.)
Anyway the point is. The technology is there! Somewhere at least. Maybe in HotS it will come.
On May 03 2012 02:00 Dandeh wrote: Was writing a very careful and thoughtful comment and then realized this was on the SC2 forum, oh the irony, let's just hope for the best of Esports.
Shutup. I was never apart of BW, got into SC2 late into the game, but that doesn't mean I cannot express myself thoughtfully. Same can be said about most of this forum.
No need to be so aggressive about it, im not flaming anyone, which was the point of my short post, i was writing a longer review on the stuff that mattered to me personally without trying to flame, however since this is on SC2 and not on BW, even that would be considered flaming or trolling on purpose, which is why I just summarized it to "let's hope for the best of Esports", which, in the end, is what matters to me.
Have a nice day
Hooray for being passive agressive!
OT- can't wait to see some badass games with the top level bw pros.
As a huge Grubby fan and a pretty big Stephano fan, I want nothing more than the BW pros ending foreigner hope for all time. I fully expect the switchover players and teams to elevate the game to a whole new level.
On May 02 2012 21:53 Integra wrote: On a sidenote; let's see how well lol fares now when some of the biggest companies within esports are promoting the same game. Any bets on just how fast SC2 will become bigger?
EDIT: regarding Broodwar, they have to have some kind of farewell cermony before they shut down Broodwar for good, would like to see that T.T
I still doubt that it will become bigger than LoL. It has the potential to, but LoL is just so much more accessible to your average player. LoL probably won't be overtaken until it actually dies out in popularity in general.
We will see. The people that knows this kind of stuff claims that a game can't become longterm (note longterm) successfull unless it has a proper developed market with competent companies that supports it. That it is only "popular" won't be enough in the long term. Will be interesting to see if this will hold true between LoL, highly popular, at least right now, against SC2, not as popular or as high player base but with a far more established market, specially after OGN/Gretech/KESPA/Blizzard now all support SC2.
But KESTA, OGN and Riot also support LoL, so in that sense they are in almost even footing.
What we need to see is if the majority of BW fans/viewers change to SC2 too, only the players is not enough. Let's hope so, that way the Starcraft brand can continue to grow and improve.
Edit: And OGN has Torch and Moletrap, they are casting League of Legends now, but they can easily change to cast SC2.
LoL has 15-30 times the playerbase while still not much bigger in the viewership department when comparing its respective large tournaments.
don't know what it means, but take that as whatever you will